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| 12:43.53 | _Chris_ | bluelightning: Is OPIE still supported in OpenEmbedded mainline, or do I need the repo from you? -> https://github.com/bluelightning/meta-opie |
| 12:50.40 | _Chris_ | And if the magician is not supported in OE too, than it should base on -> https://github.com/bluelightning/meta-handheld if that makes sense. I don't know if it ever was. I just have to write somone who did the kernel work in the past and build also some kind of rootfs. I also read about FHO (freesmartphone) which should include some middleware (OpenMokos latest base it seems). But that is providing all kind of services over dbus (PIM and so on) |
| 12:50.41 | _Chris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.43 | _Chris_ | this 2007 version of OpenMoko was using exactly this gsmd service. So that would be some base to start. At least all in theory... |
| 12:54.55 | _Chris_ | So, because OPIE roots on Qtopia (QT2) and only the QtExtended (QT3/QT4) came with some phone service and infrastructure, it lacks some base for that. Best would be really ofono and connman, but it simply would be nice to add for OPIE some working dialer/sms application on this HTC Magician. Also if that would be much to specific, like the old camera app which only worked on the zaurus I think (I wrote that in the old and unspported OPIE code). |
| 13:06.59 | VartiWork | is there any plan for restarting development for OPIE? |
| 13:08.39 | VartiWork | I have seen bluelightning has done his last commit 4 years ago |
| 13:31.15 | _Chris_ | VartiWork: I don't think so. I just joined yesterday and had a talk with him. It's nice, that in contrast to GPE OPIE still has some correct and working websites and git repos. I will try to build OPIE at some point of my research for some old mobile phone (see above) and see if it still builds. But as you can see above, the latest commits for building OPIE from him were just 2 years ago https://github.com/bluelightning/meta-opie so there is |
| 13:31.16 | _Chris_ | the question was that the last time he worked on OPIE or he just tried to build it to this time. There is still interest in OPIE, which I showed yesterday, so who knows :-) |
| 13:33.18 | _Chris_ | VartiWork: Do you still use some old PocketPC or so with OPIE too? |
| 13:37.03 | VartiWork | I see now, you'd like to compile it for a HTC Magician |
| 13:37.04 | _Chris_ | Seems OPIE had the best interface and working features back than. More like WinCE 5 or so. The OpenMoko interface or the QtExtended project later just had a to clumsy interface. GPE was basing on GTK (which needs X) and today that would be a hell of dependency also in knowledge there is GTK3. So OPIE is stylus friendly, needs low ressources and works just with framebuffer. A good base. Also Qte2 sources seems to be 16 mb and in contrast to that |
| 13:37.06 | _Chris_ | qte3 just had alrady 24 mb. Too much for some old devices. |
| 13:37.25 | VartiWork | I'm a Sharp Zaurus guy, I don't if you know them |
| 13:37.47 | VartiWork | I used in the past OpenZaurus with OPIE and I liked it |
| 13:38.26 | VartiWork | OpenZaurus later eventually became Angstrom |
| 13:39.18 | VartiWork | from time to time I like to dust off my Zauruses and try some software on them, for retrocomputing purposes (i.e. I'm curious to find out if they can be still useful nowadays) |
| 13:39.21 | _Chris_ | I have more or less found this devices 10 years in the past and I ever wanted to run Linux on it and at least make it work for phone calls and have at least some use cases for it. Back in the days before Android came.... Smile. |
| 13:40.52 | VartiWork | have you ever managed to make phone calls with it at the end? |
| 13:42.18 | _Chris_ | The ironie is, I just felt with the WinMobile on this device, how efficent the UI was back then. Also you had no OLED brandings in some of a half year back then. Seems there is a lot what was more bad in time, just without anyone taking notice. Funny would be to run https://www.bitlbee.org in combination with the OPIE IRC client. Would be kind of funny... |
| 13:42.21 | VartiWork | there's still a handful of Zaurus users, and some might be interested in an updated OPIE, though I don't think it would be even possible to run it on a recent Linux kernel + QT, not on legacy devices anyway |
| 13:43.58 | VartiWork | I have read about some users using a Zaurus as a cold storage for bitcoins, that might be a nice idea |
| 13:44.25 | _Chris_ | OPIE still uses Qte2, which should be sufficient for some nice things still and from ressources for this devices. And I don't know how the kernel mainline support for the zaurus is. I just thought it would be that bad for the Magician, but in fact it seems to work now with just some recent kernel. But I have to verify it first. I never made phone calls with it. But there was some OpenMoko rootfs which was able to do that. So it seems to be |
| 13:44.27 | _Chris_ | possible. |
| 13:44.52 | _Chris_ | That would be some.... very nice idea :-) |
| 13:45.35 | VartiWork | at least work is in progress to run the latest 4.16 kernel on the Zaurus |
| 13:45.46 | _Chris_ | Oh, how wonderfull. |
| 13:46.13 | VartiWork | and there's a WIP port of Void Linux for it, shell only |
| 13:46.46 | VartiWork | I wonder how QT2 would run under a recent kernel |
| 13:47.10 | VartiWork | QT4 I guess is out of question due to memory requirements |
| 13:47.28 | _Chris_ | I might compile my own roots with OpenEmbedded (on which Angstrom seems just to base). Because I don't have any big need of all that kind of things Angstrom give me and want to restrict the system more or less to OPIE with some commandline things + some things for making calls. All this X applicattions would not run under OPIE anyway, from what I have read. |
| 13:47.50 | _Chris_ | VartiWork: I run QT3 here with 4.16. |
| 13:48.05 | _Chris_ | Because I use TDE (KDE3) fork. I think that could still work. |
| 13:48.43 | _Chris_ | Also KDE people got KDE1 running too some year or so ago. |
| 13:49.27 | _Chris_ | http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=291 |
| 13:50.03 | _Chris_ | And by random: http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=311 |
| 13:51.28 | _Chris_ | So, it's nothing impossible, if someone is crazy enought :-) |
| 13:56.58 | VartiWork | I like that guy :) |
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