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| 00:18.18 | l1nux | ljp, i build qtopia-2.2.0 :-P |
| 00:19.01 | ljp | cool |
| 00:21.47 | l1nux | because i dont test it yet |
| 00:57.22 | l1nux | ljp, are you here ? |
| 00:58.54 | l1nux | i get error :( |
| 00:58.55 | l1nux | libqtopia.so: undefined reference to `uuid_generate' |
| 01:01.52 | l1nux | solved with -luuid :-P |
| 01:06.16 | ljp | yup |
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| 09:03.08 | hrw|work | I think that I find a way to fix mediummount & pcmciaapplet to not show during firstuse wizard |
| 09:04.33 | zecke | that would be good |
| 09:05.43 | hrw|work | language settings has a check for qpe/StartUp/FirstUse |
| 09:06.12 | hrw|work | this could be added into mediummount and pcmciaapplet |
| 09:06.33 | zecke | hrw|work: we should be not in the 'main' mainloop |
| 09:06.42 | zecke | hrw|work: launcher should not show MediumMount in that case |
| 09:07.21 | hrw|work | zecke: probably but I tewaked launcher once and does not like its code so prefer to not change it |
| 09:07.30 | hrw|work | tweaked |
| 09:07.35 | hrw|work | lack of coffee... |
| 09:07.54 | zecke | caffeine... where is my icecold teath destroying coke |
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| 10:42.19 | l1nux | hello :) |
| 10:47.53 | l1nux | hi zecke |
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| 11:34.19 | hrhr | hi all |
| 11:34.50 | hrhr | l1nux: .... |
| 11:34.52 | hrhr | ) |
| 11:35.04 | l1nux | hi hrhr :) |
| 11:35.28 | l1nux | the cvs not finiched :( |
| 11:44.11 | hrhr | oh |
| 11:44.42 | l1nux | hrhr, ready :) |
| 11:44.49 | l1nux | i upload to FTP :) |
| 11:45.35 | hrhr | tar.bz2? |
| 11:46.18 | l1nux | yeah |
| 11:46.27 | l1nux | .tbz |
| 11:50.53 | l1nux | hrhr, http://l1nux.free.fr/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=handhelds/opie/src |
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| 12:40.50 | hrhr | l1nux: can you tell me link again ? |
| 12:41.06 | hrw|work | 20 12:50 < l1nux> hrhr, http://l1nux.free.fr/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=handhelds/opie/src |
| 12:41.33 | hrhr | hrw|work: thx |
| 12:41.42 | hrw|work | np |
| 12:43.23 | l1nux | hrhr http://l1nux.free.fr/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=handhelds/opie/src |
| 12:43.51 | l1nux | :-/ |
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| 12:45.41 | hrhr | l1nux: I can't download it=. |
| 12:45.44 | hrhr | =/ |
| 12:46.03 | l1nux | hrhr, why ? |
| 12:46.27 | hrhr | I don't know=/ |
| 12:46.38 | hrhr | it cant start download from site |
| 12:47.45 | l1nux | work fine here ! |
| 12:48.24 | hrhr | =/ can you post here direct link for wget? |
| 12:55.00 | l1nux | http://l1nux.free.fr/index.php?action=downloadfile&filename=opie-cvs-20032006.tbz&directory=handhelds/opie/src& |
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| 13:10.13 | l1nux | ljp, are you here ? |
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| 14:32.56 | l1nux | zecke, are you here ? |
| 14:36.07 | l1nux | i have problem with my opie cvs build |
| 14:36.18 | l1nux | touchscreen not work :( |
| 14:36.39 | l1nux | same problem with qtopia-2.2.0 |
| 14:37.31 | zecke | l1nux: Well if you fix Qtopia, you will be able to fix Opie |
| 14:37.47 | zecke | I'm really not meant to be a cheap Qtopia support guy |
| 14:37.53 | zecke | use the Trolltech support for that |
| 14:38.12 | l1nux | i have build qtopia without -keypad-mode |
| 14:38.27 | zecke | l1nux: also Touchscreen is handled by Qtopia |
| 14:38.37 | zecke | l1nux: as I said, I'm not a Qtopia Support dude |
| 14:39.57 | l1nux | zecke, ok, but why have same problerm with my opie build ? |
| 14:40.14 | zecke | l1nux: Touchscreen is handled by QtE |
| 14:40.21 | l1nux | possible need some config ? |
| 14:40.38 | zecke | l1nux: do you use a tslib enabled QtE? |
| 14:40.53 | l1nux | hmm..., i dont now |
| 14:41.03 | l1nux | how to check it ? |
| 14:42.45 | zecke | dunno |
| 14:44.20 | l1nux | ./configure -qconfig qpe -depths 16,32 -xplatform linux-ipaq-g++ -no-qvfb -system-jpeg -system-libpng -gif -system-zlib -vnc -no-xft |
| 14:45.21 | zecke | and? do you think you have tslib? |
| 14:47.08 | l1nux | where, in qt-2.3.10 ? |
| 14:48.58 | zecke | l1nux: in your configure line? |
| 14:49.17 | l1nux | possible need "qt/qt-2.3.10.patch/tslib.patch" |
| 14:49.20 | l1nux | ?? |
| 14:50.43 | l1nux | ahh ok :-D |
| 14:51.15 | l1nux | zecke, thanks, you are angel 8-) |
| 14:51.43 | zecke | l1nux: that is only one part |
| 14:51.59 | l1nux | ohh =-O |
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| 14:52.15 | l1nux | -tslib ............. Enable TSlib (touchscreen library) mouse handler. |
| 14:52.15 | l1nux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.31 | l1nux | ;) |
| 14:52.40 | zecke | good |
| 15:19.12 | l1nux | zecke, without -system-zlib, need "-lz" ? |
| 15:19.51 | zecke | yes |
| 15:22.11 | l1nux | hmm.. |
| 15:22.55 | l1nux | for qtopia need -lquuid |
| 15:23.16 | zecke | l1nux: yes, what is your point |
| 15:24.16 | l1nux | because if build qtopia without -luuid (QMAKE_LIBS_QT= -lqte -luuid) not done ! |
| 15:24.51 | l1nux | need add -luuid to compile |
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| 18:25.26 | l1nux | nice icon in Qtopia 2.2 :-D |
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| 18:39.33 | mickeyl | is that all that's cool ? ;D |
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| 20:07.56 | ljp | no, thats not all thats cool about qtopia, but just the tip of the iceberg |
| 20:08.11 | zecke | ljp: hey |
| 20:08.16 | ljp | hi |
| 20:08.22 | zecke | ljp: I need some context for this statement :) |
| 20:09.33 | ljp | 04:25 < l1nux> nice icon in Qtopia 2.2 :-D |
| 20:09.39 | ljp | 04:39 < mickeyl> is that all that's cool ? ;D |
| 20:10.37 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 20:10.56 | zecke | ljp: did the icons change from 2.1.2 to 2.2.0? |
| 20:11.02 | ljp | nope |
| 20:11.06 | l1nux | howto add video or audio in playlist ? |
| 20:12.07 | l1nux | and where is wirless scanner ? |
| 20:12.33 | l1nux | like OpieStumbler :-P |
| 20:13.23 | l1nux | screeshot applet ?? |
| 20:13.30 | zecke | l1nux: wireless, bluetooth are unsupported by Qtopia |
| 20:13.35 | zecke | l1nux: didn't you read the FAQ |
| 20:13.37 | ljp | my screenshot applet is not part of qtopia |
| 20:13.51 | zecke | l1nux: as much it gets wireless is a broken IrDa support |
| 20:13.59 | l1nux | zecke, hehe :-D |
| 20:14.01 | zecke | l1nux: but you need to have a SuSE file system layout to make it work |
| 20:14.09 | ljp | umm.. wifi is supported, and bt is supported in qtopia 4 |
| 20:14.26 | l1nux | hahaha :-P |
| 20:14.30 | ljp | symlink works |
| 20:14.37 | ljp | ever heard of those? |
| 20:14.52 | zecke | ljp: using ifconfig irda0 up works even better |
| 20:15.05 | zecke | ljp: and guess what together with modutils actually is the linux way? |
| 20:15.22 | zecke | ljp: but if Qtopia requires SuSE you should document that |
| 20:15.28 | ljp | riiight |
| 20:15.39 | l1nux | hahaha |
| 20:15.49 | l1nux | not work with debian :-P |
| 20:15.50 | ljp | theres more than one way to skin a fish |
| 20:15.52 | zecke | ljp: will you do a maintenance release of Qtopia2.2? |
| 20:15.57 | ljp | works fine with debian |
| 20:16.26 | l1nux | but why video player not add files in list ? |
| 20:16.37 | ljp | i just told you how in #qtopia |
| 20:16.45 | ljp | open mediaplayer |
| 20:16.58 | l1nux | yes |
| 20:17.06 | ljp | either select the '+' icon or hold the stylus down on your file |
| 20:17.36 | ljp | pretty much the same way opie player does |
| 20:17.50 | l1nux | no + icon in playlist |
| 20:19.16 | zecke | ljp: sorry lorn. I talked about qir of qobex, which is in 3rdparty |
| 20:19.26 | zecke | ljp: I forgot that you don't maintain the stuff you sell |
| 20:19.36 | ljp | puh |
| 20:19.52 | zecke | ljp: servicecmd in qir.cpp line 275 |
| 20:20.03 | zecke | ljp: I don't know if I should report a issue about that |
| 20:20.21 | zecke | ljp: it should be at least documented that you need /etc/rc.d/init.d/irda |
| 20:20.45 | ljp | and its terribly difficult to change the sources and recompile, hey |
| 20:21.03 | zecke | ljp: no, not if you know |
| 20:21.22 | zecke | ljp: the point is, one does not know. The integrators who read manuals won't know |
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| 20:24.02 | ljp | and that makes qtopia bad |
| 20:24.04 | ljp | heh |
| 20:24.16 | zecke | ljp: no, not at all |
| 20:24.37 | zecke | ljp: no doubt that the non existing Opie doc is worse |
| 20:24.55 | zecke | ljp: this is one thing which makes integrating Qtopia harder |
| 20:25.03 | zecke | ljp: than let's say Windows Mobile |
| 20:27.26 | incinerator | hi, I've just installed oz-3.5.4 on my 860, looks gorgeous so far, but I've got one question.... |
| 20:27.47 | incinerator | how can i change the keyboard layout to german in order to get umlauts more easily? |
| 20:27.47 | zecke | incinerator: sure :) |
| 20:28.05 | incinerator | alternatively, how can I use the "Compose" feature... |
| 20:28.34 | l1nux | ok, i remove qtopia |
| 20:28.43 | zecke | l1nux: why? |
| 20:28.53 | zecke | l1nux: you can compile the opie-screenshotapplet for Qtopia |
| 20:29.07 | incinerator | i tried opie-zkbapplet, but that did not work for me... |
| 20:29.13 | zecke | l1nux: and run it on Qtopia (while this isn't my prefered way, it is working perfectly) |
| 20:29.30 | zecke | incinerator: first Composing is not possible with my Keyboard driver |
| 20:29.34 | l1nux | no screenshot applet, video player not work, no wirless monitoring !!!!!! |
| 20:29.45 | incinerator | zecke: k |
| 20:29.46 | zecke | incinerator: I plan to finish it once :) |
| 20:29.49 | l1nux | and use 18Mo |
| 20:30.06 | zecke | incinerator: using a german keyboard layout, should be as easy as setting a symlink |
| 20:30.07 | l1nux | i love opie |
| 20:30.11 | zecke | incinerator: and restarting the device |
| 20:30.15 | incinerator | k |
| 20:30.17 | l1nux | opie is number 1 !!!!!!!! |
| 20:30.20 | zecke | l1nux: you can run any Opie Software on Qtopia |
| 20:30.34 | l1nux | applet ? |
| 20:30.49 | zecke | l1nux: yes, every Opie app should compile and run on Qtopia |
| 20:30.55 | zecke | l1nux: if not that is a bug |
| 20:31.09 | zecke | incinerator: but you might better ask in #openzaurus |
| 20:31.13 | incinerator | zecke: replace /etc/keymap-2.6-map with a symlink to where? |
| 20:31.17 | incinerator | k, can do |
| 20:31.28 | incinerator | thx |
| 20:31.29 | zecke | incinerator: buying a clamshell device is on my todolist as well |
| 20:33.37 | l1nux | zecke 18Mo without browser, im, voipclient, wireless monitor .... |
| 20:33.41 | l1nux | is big !! |
| 20:35.26 | l1nux | zecke, possible use qte from qtopia-2.2.0 (without opie patch) , to build opie ? |
| 20:35.39 | zecke | sure |
| 20:35.43 | hrw | l1nux: qte 2.3.12? |
| 20:35.55 | zecke | don't use a gcc > 2.95.3 though |
| 20:36.07 | mickeyl | i wouldn't use a more recent qte |
| 20:36.21 | mickeyl | every qte upgrade we did brought us nightmares in OZ |
| 20:36.38 | mickeyl | nowadays even with the compat libs it isn't fun because of some odd title bar flickering |
| 20:36.43 | l1nux | hrw, yes |
| 20:36.50 | mickeyl | probably a qws protocol change between 2.3.2 and 2.3.10 |
| 20:36.53 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 20:36.53 | l1nux | 2.3.12 |
| 20:37.26 | hrw | l1nux: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/qte-2.3.12/ contain qte 2.3.12 bitbake recipe and all patches from OE |
| 20:38.12 | mickeyl | hrw: you tried an opie build? |
| 20:38.22 | mickeyl | any visible differences? |
| 20:38.29 | hrw | mickeyl: not tried yet |
| 20:39.08 | l1nux | hrw, need to rebuild qte ? |
| 20:39.31 | hrw | if you need to.. |
| 20:39.56 | l1nux | i try 2.3.10 |
| 20:40.12 | l1nux | what differance ? |
| 20:40.26 | hrw | ask ljp - its his baby |
| 20:40.39 | zecke | ljp: did you see the konqueror embedded port? |
| 20:43.21 | l1nux | hrw, libxine need patch to build ? |
| 20:43.35 | hrw | l1nux: look into OE and dont ask me |
| 20:43.36 | l1nux | with cross |
| 20:43.48 | l1nux | hrw, nop |
| 20:43.52 | l1nux | sorry |
| 20:44.38 | ljp | zecke: which one? |
| 20:44.43 | zecke | ljp: KDE 3.5.1 |
| 20:44.49 | zecke | konqueror's |
| 20:56.32 | zecke | ljp: seriously: does it make sense to report issues like the one I mentioned earlier tonight? |
| 21:10.40 | ljp | I will mention it to them |
| 21:12.17 | ljp | the 2.3.12 in qtopia 2 2 can also build 2.3.12 x11 |
| 21:20.55 | ljp | funny that qtopia wouldnt have any such flickering. perhaps a bug in opie ;) |
| 21:21.15 | mickeyl | ? |
| 21:21.29 | mickeyl | you tried qtopia w/ compat libraries from sharp? |
| 21:22.51 | hrw | mickeyl: maybe we should grab qte 2.3.10/12 from qtopia 2.95 compiled? |
| 21:23.14 | mickeyl | hrw: we would miss all the hacks for the commercial apps then |
| 21:23.24 | hrw | ah.. yep |
| 21:23.32 | hrw | ~kill sharp for this |
| 21:23.34 | ibot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudophoton gun at sharp for this |
| 21:23.37 | mickeyl | the compat situation is doomed |
| 21:25.26 | ljp | with qtopia 4 compat with sharp is irrelevant |
| 21:25.51 | l1nux | exiperimental "libsl" in opie cvs not ready to build ? |
| 21:26.10 | hrw | ljp: is there opera for qtopia4? or neocal or any-other-sharprom-stuff? |
| 21:26.22 | hrw | l1nux: s/experimental/unsupported/ |
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| 21:28.25 | mickeyl | l1nux: no. it was an experiment that turned out to be too much work for an unpaid person |
| 21:28.32 | mickeyl | it once built though |
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| 21:29.41 | mickeyl | it sucks that we couldn't base on sharps code |
| 21:29.42 | mickeyl | really |
| 21:30.02 | mickeyl | then again... perhaps i wouldn't say that if i had seen the code quality |
| 21:30.06 | l1nux | ok, thanks mickeyl |
| 21:30.31 | hrw | argh.. sharp code... argh |
| 21:30.32 | ljp | hrw: opera i believe is working on it, any other 34rd party apps, no. as qtopia 4 hasnt been released yet. |
| 21:34.05 | ljp | any 3rd party apps will need to be ported to qt4, which is no trivial feat |
| 21:34.10 | l1nux | how to install opie after build, no "make install" to install in directory ? |
| 21:34.55 | hrw | l1nux: opie buildsystem is mostly abandoned |
| 21:35.00 | ljp | zecke: you have url to konqe 3.5.1 port? |
| 21:35.16 | ljp | hrw: only for oe |
| 21:36.00 | ljp | us mortal developers still use opie without developing in a distribution creator |
| 21:36.22 | mickeyl | i guess we can safely say the buildsystem is abandoned |
| 21:36.27 | mickeyl | since no one does any work on it anymore |
| 21:36.32 | zecke | ljp: websvn.kde.org |
| 21:36.33 | mickeyl | that's my definition of abandoned |
| 21:36.33 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:36.58 | l1nux | mickeyl, any idea ? |
| 21:37.05 | mickeyl | make install never worked |
| 21:37.13 | mickeyl | tmake originally didn't care about make instal |
| 21:37.15 | mickeyl | and so we didn't |
| 21:37.25 | ljp | make instal creates symlinks to quicklaunch I think |
| 21:37.27 | mickeyl | the install rules in the .pro files are missing |
| 21:37.44 | zecke | ljp: make install install's plugins to lib/ |
| 21:37.48 | mickeyl | no, I create them manually in the include.pro (or however that's called... it's been a long time) |
| 21:38.43 | l1nux | :( |
| 21:39.21 | ljp | if opies build system is abandoned, lets get rid of it, why make it easy for people to build our source |
| 21:39.30 | zecke | make ipkg used to work -- for some time |
| 21:40.01 | zecke | ljp: maintain it, fix it, make me happy |
| 21:40.04 | mickeyl | heh |
| 21:40.12 | mickeyl | being abandonded doesn't mean to get rid of it |
| 21:40.15 | mickeyl | you should know that |
| 21:40.23 | mickeyl | "buildroot" |
| 21:40.24 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 21:40.24 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:40.33 | l1nux | zecke, make ipkgs dont work :( |
| 21:40.46 | zecke | l1nux: even non developers can make it work |
| 21:40.49 | ljp | buildroot is not abandoned |
| 21:40.55 | zecke | l1nux: it is like editing a textdocument in openoffice |
| 21:40.55 | hrw | buildroot... I used to get patches from it when started work with OE |
| 21:41.01 | ljp | maybe your pile of buildroot sources is |
| 21:41.16 | mickeyl | hmm so you still commit to our bitkeeper repository? |
| 21:41.21 | mickeyl | let me see the latest stuff |
| 21:41.42 | zecke | mickeyl: buildroot != openzaurus buildroot |
| 21:41.53 | zecke | mickeyl: OpenWRT, uclibc have buildroots as well |
| 21:41.53 | mickeyl | anyway, wife needs some time |
| 21:41.57 | mickeyl | right |
| 21:41.59 | zecke | mickeyl: take care! |
| 21:42.36 | hrw | "undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null" - someone remember it? |
| 21:42.49 | zecke | hrw: gcc :) |
| 21:43.02 | hrw | zecke: lack of stdc++ again? |
| 21:43.10 | zecke | no mix of abi |
| 21:43.23 | hrw | zecke: it was built with 3.4.4 |
| 21:43.37 | zecke | hrw: and my apple c++filt can demangle it perfectly |
| 21:43.39 | hrw | or make's bug |
| 21:43.42 | zecke | hrw: weird |
| 21:43.47 | zecke | hrw: do you link to -lqte? |
| 21:44.13 | hrw | ~lart devels which put binaries in source archive |
| 21:44.45 | zecke | oh :} |
| 21:45.50 | hrw | looks like I install wrong binary |
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| 21:48.30 | zecke | hi korovkin |
| 21:48.54 | korovkin | zecke: Hi :-) |
| 21:54.00 | l1nux | ljp, possible add my qtopia-2.2.0 build in site for download |
| 21:54.33 | zecke | hrw: this is quite mean :} |
| 21:56.42 | ljp | l1nux: such as a feed? |
| 21:57.05 | hrw | zecke: anyway fixed |
| 21:57.38 | l1nux | yes, but all qtopia is gziped in 1 file |
| 21:57.50 | korovkin | I've just checked in opie-bluetoothmanager that can upload files using statically linked obexftp library. |
| 21:57.59 | l1nux | qtopia-bin-2.2.0.tgz |
| 21:58.15 | zecke | korovkin: awesome |
| 21:59.04 | korovkin | zecke: :-) Just informing about the changes I've made, nothing more :-) |
| 21:59.23 | hrw | korovkin: its only opie-btmanager? can it be simply rebuilt against opie 1.2.1? |
| 21:59.46 | korovkin | hrw: I use opie 1.2.0 |
| 22:00.09 | korovkin | hrw: It should work with 1.2.1 with no problem. |
| 22:00.10 | hrw | 1.2.0 had poor bt support |
| 22:00.38 | hrw | korovkin: update to 1.2.1 - you will get irda/bt beaming |
| 22:00.48 | ljp | l1nux: make install will put binaries in $QPEDIR/image/opt/Qtopia/... |
| 22:01.05 | korovkin | hrw: Sorry, it's still HAS a poor bt support. It can't edit binding tables, I haven't tried pppd and dund yet. |
| 22:01.30 | korovkin | hrw: And no servers yet too. |
| 22:01.32 | hrw | korovkin: I know that it still suxx but suxx a bit less anyway |
| 22:01.45 | l1nux | ljp, yes :) but not with opie :( |
| 22:02.04 | korovkin | hrw: Ok, just as a playable demo :-) |
| 22:02.42 | ljp | then try make packages, and then use ipkg to 'install' them somewhere |
| 22:03.29 | l1nux | ljp, make packages, work with qtopia-2.2 ? |
| 22:04.14 | ljp | i think opie has make packages |
| 22:04.29 | ljp | yes, make packages works in qtopia |
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| 22:17.55 | l1nux | opie cvs is ready but not installable :( |
| 22:18.41 | zecke | l1nux: you might ask lorn for assistance |
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| 22:18.54 | TinheadNed | 'lo |
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| 22:21.44 | l1nux | ljp, make packages, not found in qtopia-2.2.0 |
| 22:21.54 | l1nux | or make ipks |
| 22:23.01 | korovkin | Bye, I'm sleeping.... hr-hr-hr-hr. :-) |