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| 00:52.09 | CoolMan | yo all |
| 00:52.26 | CoolMan | i just replaced the battery on my iPAQ 3600 running familiar and opie |
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| 00:52.48 | ljp | interesting |
| 00:52.48 | CoolMan | and the battery applet is very, very confused about how much capacity the battery has |
| 00:53.18 | CoolMan | any tips on recalibrating the software with regards to battery life? |
| 00:55.55 | CoolMan | some secret combination of discharging, charging, and cursing at the foul thing? |
| 00:56.10 | CoolMan | a secret button on the inside that i have to disasseble the thing to press? |
| 00:56.20 | CoolMan | a magical incantation, perhaps? |
| 00:59.21 | CoolMan | ok, what about this question - how do i upgrade opie 1.0.0 to opie 1.0.2 ? |
| 00:59.40 | ljp | feed maybe |
| 00:59.57 | ljp | dont be in opie though when you do it |
| 01:00.20 | CoolMan | oh? |
| 01:00.42 | CoolMan | i'm not actually sure what to do with a "feed" |
| 01:00.49 | CoolMan | i'm still kinda new at this |
| 01:10.21 | ljp | mightflash flasha new image |
| 01:20.01 | CoolMan | okay, i've figured out how to insert the correct feed into ipkg |
| 01:20.10 | CoolMan | then i terminated opit |
| 01:20.19 | CoolMan | *opie |
| 01:20.32 | CoolMan | now i've done an ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 01:21.36 | CoolMan | crapcrapcrapcrap |
| 01:21.45 | CoolMan | i've run out of space and now it's crapping out on me |
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| 01:45.45 | CoolMan | and now opie won't start |
| 01:45.51 | CoolMan | arrrgh |
| 01:50.42 | CoolMan | okay, that was extremely stressful |
| 01:50.51 | CoolMan | i did an ipkg upgrade |
| 01:51.06 | CoolMan | and it filed to upgrade something important (apparently) |
| 01:51.17 | CoolMan | Downloading http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/unstable/libqpe1_1.0.2_arm.ipk |
| 01:51.17 | CoolMan | Only have 1420 available blocks on filesystem /, pkg libqte2 needs 1614 |
| 01:51.30 | CoolMan | but then installed a bunch of other crap that depends on it |
| 01:51.39 | CoolMan | so opie wouldn't start |
| 01:51.47 | CoolMan | so i had to ssh in manually and fix it |
| 01:52.00 | CoolMan | (basically guessing what the dependancies were) |
| 01:52.12 | CoolMan | of course, i guess that's what i get for migrating to an unstable feed |
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| 02:47.47 | ShortWave | yes, get over it |
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| 03:33.28 | Cyber-K | sorry |
| 03:33.48 | Cyber-K | didnt want to write that here lol |
| 03:35.37 | ShortWave | Suuure you didn't |
| 03:38.18 | Cyber-K | tr |
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| 04:02.41 | chouimat | night |
| 04:21.55 | CoolMan | ibot: how are you? |
| 04:21.55 | | mas o menos, CoolMan |
| 04:22.16 | CoolMan | ibot: what?! how DARE you speak to me like that! |
| 04:22.19 | | i don't know, CoolMan |
| 04:23.10 | CoolMan | ibot: of course you don't; you're a measly program! a speck of code in a whirlwhind of insignificance! |
| 04:23.15 | | CoolMan: You are moron #5 |
| 04:23.26 | joshua_ | hahahahha |
| 04:23.28 | CoolMan | lol |
| 04:23.30 | joshua_ | ahahahahhahaahahahahaha |
| 04:24.24 | CoolMan | hey, does anybody know exactly how to get the software/hardware to re-align itself when you install a new battery? |
| 04:25.10 | CoolMan | ie: have accurate life estimations/charge times ? |
| 04:25.26 | CoolMan | this would be on iPAQ 3600, duh :-P |
| 04:26.25 | CoolMan | running opie, of course |
| 04:26.39 | joshua_ | 3600 can't align itself anyway |
| 04:26.51 | CoolMan | oh? |
| 04:28.03 | joshua_ | oh |
| 04:28.24 | treke|home | eh |
| 04:28.25 | CoolMan | so the hardware has no conception of the battery's capacity ? |
| 04:28.36 | CoolMan | how does it know how long to charge it then? |
| 04:28.53 | joshua_ | until the charger signals its done |
| 04:29.03 | CoolMan | heat sensing alone? (please God no, don't let them kill my $55 battery so soon) |
| 04:29.21 | joshua_ | voltage sensing I think |
| 04:29.32 | CoolMan | i know it has a heat senser in it |
| 04:29.34 | joshua_ | the charger has its own logic |
| 04:29.48 | joshua_ | you just turn on the gpio and it'll tell you whether it's done or not. |
| 04:29.56 | CoolMan | gpio? |
| 04:30.10 | treke|home | general purpose input output? |
| 04:30.20 | joshua_ | yeah |
| 04:30.23 | CoolMan | the problem is that the internal charger logic is screwed up from remembering the old battery's deadness |
| 04:30.24 | treke|home | lucky guess |
| 04:30.35 | CoolMan | i think |
| 04:30.35 | joshua_ | no it isn't |
| 04:30.39 | CoolMan | no? |
| 04:30.44 | joshua_ | what are you going by? |
| 04:30.52 | CoolMan | the opie battery applet |
| 04:31.09 | joshua_ | yeah? what about it? |
| 04:31.34 | treke|home | sounds like he is attributing intelligence to it that isnt there :p |
| 04:31.41 | joshua_ | heh |
| 04:32.01 | CoolMan | it'll say that it's 90% full when the hardware charger stops charging, but then i'll take it off, and it'll suddenly drop to 65% |
| 04:32.24 | joshua_ | ah, shit |
| 04:32.27 | CoolMan | the battery isn't lasting as long as it claims that it should |
| 04:32.28 | joshua_ | did you remember to install the _new_ battery? |
| 04:32.32 | treke|home | joshua_: I like what hp did witht he 3800. It was always rather reliable to me |
| 04:32.34 | CoolMan | hehe, yes |
| 04:32.40 | treke|home | haha. I was just about to ask that :p |
| 04:32.44 | joshua_ | treke|home: yeah |
| 04:32.47 | CoolMan | it is definately the new battery |
| 04:32.49 | joshua_ | unfortunately I never had a 3800 |
| 04:32.55 | joshua_ | CoolMan: prove it |
| 04:32.58 | CoolMan | it's behaving much better then the _old_ battery... |
| 04:33.10 | joshua_ | heh |
| 04:33.16 | joshua_ | I should figure out how to measure battery on h1910 |
| 04:33.17 | treke|home | joshua_: four freaking hardcoded values come out of the kernel |
| 04:33.18 | CoolMan | the old one would finish charging after about 30 seconds... |
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| 04:33.40 | joshua_ | CoolMan: like, orange light would turn solid after 30 seconds? |
| 04:33.57 | CoolMan | 30 sec is an exageration, but yeah |
| 04:34.05 | CoolMan | prolly after 5 minutes |
| 04:34.09 | CoolMan | realistically |
| 04:34.25 | joshua_ | shiat, that's bad :) |
| 04:34.37 | CoolMan | my dad suggested letting it run all the way down with all of the software running and aware of it, and charging again under the same circumstances |
| 04:34.38 | treke|home | could be that the battery was fine |
| 04:34.53 | joshua_ | I wonder if your charge logic went bad |
| 04:35.01 | joshua_ | try a deep cycle on the old battery |
| 04:35.02 | CoolMan | the idea is that it'll "realign" its expectations |
| 04:35.15 | CoolMan | i'm deep cycling the new one right now |
| 04:35.33 | joshua_ | ok |
| 04:35.33 | CoolMan | it actually seems to be doing okay, i think |
| 04:35.40 | CoolMan | hehe, of course... |
| 04:35.46 | joshua_ | yeah, the battery monitor is not particularly bright. |
| 04:35.48 | CoolMan | i may have had unrealistic expectations... |
| 04:35.50 | joshua_ | it just goes off voltage. |
| 04:36.02 | CoolMan | see, it claimed that i had 300 minutes left |
| 04:36.16 | joshua_ | if the battery is a slightly different chemistry than it expects, it'll give different results |
| 04:36.22 | CoolMan | but i wanted to deep cycle it, so i turned the backlight all the way up |
| 04:36.33 | joshua_ | right, 300 minutes left is a guess |
| 04:36.55 | CoolMan | and then i ran this command "cat /dev/urandom | gzip > /dev/null" |
| 04:37.02 | CoolMan | so the CPU was loaded :) |
| 04:37.05 | joshua_ | hehe |
| 04:37.18 | CoolMan | and it died within about 3 hours |
| 04:37.30 | joshua_ | 3 hours is pretty good |
| 04:37.34 | CoolMan | but the battery monitor was completely non-linear |
| 04:38.07 | treke|home | isnt 300 minutes hard coded? |
| 04:38.22 | CoolMan | i wouldn't know |
| 04:38.26 | joshua_ | yeah |
| 04:38.45 | treke|home | I think on the 3700 and older, it's hardcoded to think 100% charge is 300 minutes |
| 04:38.57 | CoolMan | i think the opie battery monitor should be written to log all cycle times and things to make accurate predictions |
| 04:39.06 | joshua_ | it's not opie's fault |
| 04:39.24 | CoolMan | i'm not referring to the hardware charge time or anything |
| 04:39.37 | joshua_ | maybe the kernel should be written like that .. but not opie |
| 04:39.41 | treke|home | opie is best just listening to what linux tells it |
| 04:39.47 | CoolMan | oh? |
| 04:39.59 | CoolMan | i don't know much about the software layer on here |
| 04:40.20 | treke|home | opie just listens to what linux says. |
| 04:40.27 | treke|home | On the 3800 it happens to get really good info |
| 04:40.42 | treke|home | on the 3600 it gets fairly poor info. On the zaurus it gets more ore less useless info |
| 04:40.48 | CoolMan | i assume that the kernel provides an input interface regarding the battery voltage, charge state, external power state, etc. |
| 04:40.59 | CoolMan | correct? |
| 04:41.08 | treke|home | I'm assumign the newer ipaqs are more like the 3800 |
| 04:41.48 | joshua_ | 1910 is pretty useless I think |
| 04:42.11 | CoolMan | i guess i really did get some pretty amazing life out of this battery |
| 04:42.29 | CoolMan | i don't really _need_ the monitor to be linear |
| 04:42.39 | joshua_ | CoolMan: it lived a nice long life. |
| 04:43.01 | CoolMan | it would be nice to get an accurate minutes indication, but i can live without it (as if i have a choice) |
| 04:43.32 | CoolMan | oh, are either of you guys developers/affiliated with the development cycle of opie in any way? |
| 04:43.40 | joshua_ | treke is |
| 04:43.50 | CoolMan | i "upgraded" to opie 1.0.2 this evening |
| 04:45.09 | CoolMan | and i don't know where this problem lies, but ipkg failed to install some core system library because i was out of space, but instead of aborting or something, it continued installing a bunch of packages that (i assume) depended on it |
| 04:45.21 | CoolMan | after this "upgrade" process, opie would no longer start |
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| 04:45.41 | CoolMan | so i had to ssh in and manually install the missing package |
| 04:46.38 | CoolMan | and, umm, one odd problem with this version is that opie sound effects (key click, screen tap) do not go well with opie-mediaplayer2 at all |
| 04:47.26 | CoolMan | in 1.0.0, media player was taking over the sound channel, and the screen taps wouldn't happen |
| 04:48.07 | CoolMan | but now, if i try a screen tap, the whole GUI hangs for minutes at a time, and media player crashes |
| 04:48.29 | CoolMan | sometimes i have to reboot the system because the GUI loses its mind completely |
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| 04:49.03 | CoolMan | yo |
| 04:49.45 | CoolMan | umm, i just wrote a bunch of random comments on my experiences with opie 1.0.2 |
| 04:50.19 | CoolMan | hmm |
| 04:50.26 | CoolMan | well, anyway, i should go |
| 04:50.35 | CoolMan | it's late here, and i have to get up early |
| 04:50.51 | CoolMan | opie rocks guys, everybody keep up the good work |
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| 06:42.55 | davanger | anyone alive? |
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| 06:48.38 | Chicken | hi |
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| 06:54.44 | rogerlink | what program for opie can handle streaming mp3??? |
| 06:55.19 | treke|home | I would try the mp3 players |
| 06:55.31 | treke|home | but that is just my guess |
| 06:56.30 | rogerlink | i am running opie mediaplayer but it breaks up alot |
| 06:57.11 | treke|home | Then you've answered your own question |
| 06:57.30 | rogerlink | i want sometime better if its out? |
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| 07:31.14 | Neil | hello |
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| 07:50.12 | Neil | So can anyone tell me what the status is of Kitchensync? |
| 07:50.21 | Neil | It appears disabled from compilation in KDE 3.2 |
| 07:50.54 | Neil | Is there a separate release planned, does anyone know? |
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| 07:53.05 | Groucho | hi there |
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| 07:53.24 | Neil | hello |
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| 09:20.03 | Twiun | g'morning! |
| 09:20.54 | Groucho | Bonjour |
| 09:24.05 | Twiun | s/check/checks/ |
| 09:25.20 | Twiun | nope, no news yet :) |
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| 09:58.30 | Twiun | the guy had said a couple of days - from wednesday :) |
| 10:02.28 | lpotter | eager for..? |
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| 10:03.56 | Twiun | for the guy who is merging Classpath's AWT into Kaffe to get his debugging done :) |
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| 11:13.05 | icct | hello |
| 11:13.51 | icct | ive successfully installed opie for debian unstable but no one app is going to run ;) |
| 11:14.37 | icct | ideas? |
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| 12:16.10 | Chicken | re |
| 12:16.33 | Groucho | re |
| 12:19.29 | Twiun | hiya Chicken |
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| 12:49.20 | mithro | hey Twiun, whats up? |
| 12:50.05 | mithro | anyone around want to test my oz-compat libs? |
| 12:53.08 | lpotter | only if it gets me laid |
| 12:53.29 | Twiun | mithro: not much, having lunch :) |
| 12:54.50 | mithro | lpotter: depends on what you mean by laid ;) |
| 12:55.19 | lpotter | not by you.. :D |
| 14:33.01 | davanger | phil you there? |
| 14:38.30 | Groucho | ibot: seen pb_ |
| 14:38.30 | | pb_ <~pb@2002:5160:45ef:0:240:95ff:fe30:aa84> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 14h 24m 54s ago, saying: 'yeah, could be. I'm not quite sure.'. |
| 14:38.50 | Groucho | seems Phil is not there ;) |
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| 14:47.07 | davanger | may god save me. I'm flashing with flash_wince_np.bin |
| 14:47.58 | Groucho | good luck ;-) |
| 14:48.12 | davanger | thanks man |
| 14:48.38 | davanger | is it possible to load wince with linux bootldr? |
| 14:50.21 | Groucho | propably, yes. better ask Phil however. |
| 14:52.21 | davanger | yes it worked |
| 14:52.55 | Twiun | that's a good thing? |
| 14:53.43 | davanger | i guess =) |
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| 14:53.57 | Groucho | well the good thing is it worked. The bad one is that he is now running WinCE again. |
| 14:54.09 | davanger | i need to find out how to remove the linux bootldr and go back to parrot |
| 14:54.09 | Groucho | :-) |
| 14:54.27 | davanger | well the thing is that i'm selling the PDA so its not my problem =) |
| 14:54.41 | Groucho | ridcully: If interested there is also #opie.de ;-) |
| 14:55.09 | Ridcully | Groucho, thanks |
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| 15:37.24 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:37.43 | XavierXeon | evening |
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| 15:42.32 | davanger | is it possible to flash the bootldr using the bootldr utility to flash? |
| 15:44.39 | treke|home | Not recommended |
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| 16:09.00 | davanger | did not work |
| 16:09.24 | davanger | i need to figure out how to restore parrot.bin? |
| 16:09.57 | davanger | using the flash tool from the bootloader did not work... |
| 16:10.47 | davanger | and i dont have serial connection |
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| 16:53.43 | Groucho | cu |
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| 17:07.01 | cyberk | hi all! |
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| 17:20.53 | icct | ive installed opie and apps from debian unstable packages but im unable to start any program. |
| 17:23.48 | treke|laptop | more details |
| 17:24.31 | icct | icons are selectable |
| 17:24.54 | icct | but when i click/double click them nothing happens |
| 17:25.22 | icct | tabs work fine |
| 17:25.57 | treke|laptop | what version. X or framebuffer. What type of machine |
| 17:26.16 | icct | qvfb, debian unstable |
| 17:26.22 | treke|laptop | what version. X or framebuffer. What type of machine |
| 17:26.36 | treke|laptop | debian unstable isnt helpful. Tells us the version of opie you are using |
| 17:26.53 | icct | 1.0.1.1snapshot |
| 17:27.04 | icct | xfree86 4.3 |
| 17:27.20 | icct | i686/linux |
| 17:27.33 | treke|laptop | probably doesnt have quickexec installed. |
| 17:28.53 | icct | one second, im searching for it |
| 17:29.44 | icct | is there a list of essential programs/modules? |
| 17:30.41 | icct | there is only usr/include/qtopia/quickexec_p.h in libdevel/libqpe-fb-dev package |
| 17:30.52 | treke|laptop | then it isnt installed. |
| 17:32.18 | treke|laptop | I'd recommend submitting a bug report to debian |
| 17:32.42 | icct | ugh |
| 17:34.07 | icct | treke|laptop: can i start apps without quickexec? |
| 17:34.17 | treke|laptop | nope. |
| 17:36.59 | treke|laptop | probably not |
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| 18:04.09 | icct | can i scale down icons? |
| 18:04.59 | treke|laptop | nope |
| 18:06.03 | icct | oh, please ;) |
| 18:12.19 | treke|laptop | recompile. |
| 18:12.24 | treke|laptop | there are ways to make that happen |
| 18:12.58 | icct | first of all id like quickexec to be in place ;] |
| 18:13.10 | treke|laptop | Then submit a bug report to debian |
| 18:13.17 | treke|laptop | or just recompile from source |
| 18:14.00 | icct | i need to gain some bravery first ;) |
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| 19:12.26 | omi007 | Hi ppl! Does somebody know where a fix for the "backlight brightness really low under opie" is available (as *.ipk)? |
| 19:12.54 | treke|laptop | turn the backlight up |
| 19:13.45 | omi007 | treke|laptop: I have a h5450! Possibly not yet fully supported! |
| 19:14.14 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 19:14.25 | omi007 | treke|laptop: light&power simply does not work :-( |
| 19:15.10 | omi007 | treke|laptop: somebody from this channel once gave me a link to an *.ipk-file which fixed the bug! |
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| 19:15.43 | omi007 | treke|laptop: unfortunately I had a HD-crash and also had to reflash the h5450 - so the *.ipk is gone! |
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| 20:59.23 | ag0ny | hi |
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