| 01:26:13 | ljp | ibot: message for Harlekin: before you re write playlistwidget code, talk to me about what you are thinking about doing :) |
| 01:28:11 | spiralman | is away: dinner |
| 01:33:33 | alvise | hi |
| 01:33:58 | alvise | i started opie of familiar unstable ... well , there aren't fonts.. |
| 01:34:26 | alvise | under icons there ins't text , every where there isn't text . |
| 01:35:26 | alvise | what can i do ? |
| 01:35:47 | ljp | install fonts ? |
| 01:36:42 | alvise | ljp: i installed qt-embedded-rotation |
| 01:36:49 | alvise | and all now is ok :) |
| 01:37:50 | ljp | cool, you must have one of htose funky ipaqs |
| 01:41:20 | alvise | BT SYS: Initializing BCSP |
| 01:41:21 | alvise | Failed to init BCSP |
| 01:41:24 | alvise | what means ? |
| 01:41:47 | alvise | i don't know how in Ce and here i can't enable BlueTooth .. |
| 01:41:59 | alvise | it means that is broken ? |
| 01:45:19 | spiralman | is back |
| 02:00:25 | alvise | is now possible to send images trought BlueT ? |
| 02:01:25 | spiralman | doesnt know |
| 02:06:39 | alvise | any1 know the Bluetooth opie project state ? |
| 02:08:09 | spiralman | well, bluetooth is in familiar |
| 02:08:16 | spiralman | its just the GUI thats part of opie |
| 02:08:29 | alvise | spiralman: yes i know , but the gui and the managing of that . |
| 02:08:47 | spiralman | talk to harlekin, i think hes the one working on bluetooth in opie |
| 02:10:57 | alvise | is there a vnc server on familiar , specially for opie ? |
| 02:13:35 | spiralman | yeah |
| 02:13:43 | spiralman | but it doesnt support the mouse |
| 02:14:02 | spiralman | well,it does, but clicking things on the remote display crashes opie |
| 02:14:15 | spiralman | because of the way qt embedded handles mouse clicks |
| 02:20:04 | AntiProxy | !opie feed |
| 02:20:12 | | rumour has it opie feed is http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq or newer on http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ or at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 02:20:12 | AntiProxy | ibot: opie feed |
| 02:31:52 | AntiProxy | where is the opie recalibrate located? ( on the filesystem ) |
| 02:32:51 | treke|home | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin |
| 02:33:18 | spiralman | actually, i think its built into the launcher |
| 02:33:25 | AntiProxy | well |
| 02:33:35 | treke|home | well the launcher is in /opt/QtPalmtop/bin :) |
| 02:33:38 | AntiProxy | i just reinstalled |
| 02:33:55 | AntiProxy | and my screen is touch screen is inverted |
| 02:34:27 | spiralman | the launcher exec's "calibrate" |
| 02:34:33 | treke|home | AntiProxy: youve probably got a different problem than bad calibration |
| 02:35:07 | treke|home | AntiProxy: What kind of device? |
| 02:35:20 | AntiProxy | 3870 |
| 02:35:22 | spiralman | youll have call the export lines at the top of the /etc/init.d/opie scripts to run calibrate from the shell (if thats what you need to do) |
| 02:38:17 | AntiProxy | btw.. its not the display thats inverted |
| 02:38:25 | AntiProxy | its my touch screen |
| 02:38:46 | AntiProxy | like when i click on the far right corner. some icon gets clicked on the opposite left corner |
| 02:42:42 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:43:38 | AntiProxy | i`m using hh17c |
| 02:43:49 | treke|home | curses familiar |
| 02:43:50 | AntiProxy | would that have anything to do with the problem? |
| 02:50:57 | AntiProxy | okay.. what do i do now? trash opie and start over?! |
| 02:51:24 | treke|home | AntiProxy: That makes it sound like the touchscreen isnt being rotated to me |
| 02:51:37 | AntiProxy | trke: no.. its not |
| 02:51:49 | treke|home | unlikely to be that far out of calibration :) |
| 02:51:50 | AntiProxy | cuz i didnt calibrate it the first time i started opie (when it auto started) |
| 02:52:01 | treke|home | try reinstalling qt-e |
| 02:52:12 | AntiProxy | what difference would it make? |
| 02:52:33 | treke|home | perhaps you downloaded a bad build. Try the one from last week |
| 02:53:03 | AntiProxy | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-pre1/install/H3800/bootopie-v06-7.jffs2 |
| 02:53:06 | AntiProxy | thats what i installed |
| 02:53:18 | treke|home | install the opie.info feed |
| 02:53:36 | AntiProxy | http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ ? |
| 02:53:40 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:53:42 | AntiProxy | i did.. |
| 02:53:46 | AntiProxy | everything is upto date |
| 03:00:53 | AntiProxy | this is depressing |
| 03:02:23 | treke|home | hmm |
| 03:03:51 | AntiProxy | are all the the opie developers asleep? |
| 03:04:09 | spiralman | im sorta a developer |
| 03:04:26 | spiralman | not sure exactly how the calibration works |
| 03:04:49 | AntiProxy | spiralman: how about the calibration setting file? |
| 03:04:58 | AntiProxy | it must store the settings somewhere |
| 03:05:26 | AntiProxy | or.. there`s one file that gets deleted on first boot.. which is responsible for starting Recalibrate |
| 03:05:36 | AntiProxy | there HAS to be a way out.. |
| 03:05:50 | AntiProxy | reinstalling would be plain stupid.. |
| 03:06:00 | spiralman | you cant just call calibrate? |
| 03:06:06 | AntiProxy | i cant reach it |
| 03:06:11 | spiralman | from a shell |
| 03:06:15 | spiralman | ssh or via terminal |
| 03:06:19 | AntiProxy | i dont have it |
| 03:06:26 | AntiProxy | i`m on the terminal since 30 minutes |
| 03:06:30 | AntiProxy | looking for calibrate |
| 03:06:33 | AntiProxy | there`s no such a thing |
| 03:06:40 | AntiProxy | i even searched the feed |
| 03:06:42 | AntiProxy | nothing |
| 03:06:43 | treke|home | spiralman: it looks like its something built in |
| 03:06:48 | spiralman | yeah, it is |
| 03:06:49 | AntiProxy | thats when i came and said 'this is depressing' |
| 03:06:51 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 03:06:59 | spiralman | you should be able to call qcop to get it to come up |
| 03:07:11 | treke|home | AntiProxy: rm -rf /root |
| 03:07:17 | AntiProxy | i did |
| 03:07:18 | treke|home | after backing up data |
| 03:07:24 | AntiProxy | removed the Application and Settings directories |
| 03:07:34 | AntiProxy | and recreated them on first opie start |
| 03:07:36 | AntiProxy | no change |
| 03:07:41 | AntiProxy | recalibrate didnt launch |
| 03:08:19 | treke|home | funky |
| 03:08:26 | AntiProxy | oh yeah |
| 03:08:27 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 03:09:22 | treke|home | ? |
| 03:09:31 | AntiProxy | nothing |
| 03:09:35 | treke|home | ah |
| 03:09:40 | AntiProxy | just agreed on the 'funky' statement |
| 03:10:00 | spiralman | nothing in the opie source seems to call qcop to recalbrate |
| 03:10:03 | spiralman | so, if there is something... |
| 03:10:16 | AntiProxy | okay |
| 03:10:17 | AntiProxy | guys |
| 03:10:20 | AntiProxy | one of you |
| 03:10:22 | AntiProxy | do me a favour |
| 03:10:25 | AntiProxy | start recalibrate |
| 03:10:29 | AntiProxy | and ps aux on the console |
| 03:10:39 | AntiProxy | see if its an external binary by any chance |
| 03:10:50 | AntiProxy | or see if a qpe process shows up |
| 03:10:57 | treke|home | its the qpe process |
| 03:10:58 | spiralman | nope, just the one qpe |
| 03:11:03 | treke|home | nothing else besides today is running |
| 03:11:13 | AntiProxy | hmmm |
| 03:11:18 | AntiProxy | so its internal to qpe |
| 03:11:59 | spiralman | qt/e sources dont seem to register anything with qcop that i can find |
| 03:12:04 | treke|home | AntiProxy: carefully try launching the calibrate app |
| 03:12:20 | treke|home | just try clicking in the right opposite spots (or just reinstall) :) |
| 03:12:40 | AntiProxy | .\ |
| 03:12:58 | treke|home | You only need to manage two click and one will be easy :) |
| 03:13:30 | treke|home | I still think something else is going on for calibration to be exactly mirrored. |
| 03:13:51 | AntiProxy | got it |
| 03:13:52 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 03:15:00 | spiralman | AntiProxy: /etc/pointercal |
| 03:15:04 | spiralman | AntiProxy: delete that |
| 03:15:11 | AntiProxy | i got it .) |
| 03:15:11 | treke|home | ah |
| 03:15:25 | AntiProxy | i just started qpe -qws on the console |
| 03:15:28 | AntiProxy | killed the old one |
| 03:15:32 | hash | anyone have problems with multikey? |
| 03:15:35 | AntiProxy | the new qpe started in landscape mode |
| 03:15:41 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:15:43 | AntiProxy | so i could reach the other corner |
| 03:15:48 | treke|home | you didnt rotate the creen :) |
| 03:16:12 | treke|home | the opie shell script detects how it needs to rotate to be in portrait mode |
| 03:16:17 | AntiProxy | its fine now |
| 03:16:32 | AntiProxy | though i calibrated it when it was +90 degrees (clockwise) |
| 03:16:37 | AntiProxy | and now its back straight up |
| 03:16:40 | AntiProxy | it still works |
| 03:16:50 | treke|home | that should be fine. the calibration would still be right |
| 03:16:51 | AntiProxy | i think its a tiny bug in opie when it goes to 38xx |
| 03:17:07 | treke|home | I use a 3850 and it works fine for me :) |
| 03:17:13 | AntiProxy | only if i did calibrate upon the first startup ( when calibrate was launched automatically ) |
| 03:17:18 | AntiProxy | i wouldnt have had this problem |
| 03:17:53 | AntiProxy | hey btw |
| 03:18:06 | AntiProxy | is there any tool similar to CE`s notes ? |
| 03:18:17 | AntiProxy | something where you can write and scratch |
| 03:18:21 | treke|home | what does notes do? |
| 03:18:35 | treke|home | closest thing is problably iqnotes |
| 03:18:43 | spiralman | drawpad |
| 03:18:57 | AntiProxy | its a notepad mainly.. |
| 03:19:05 | AntiProxy | you can type using the keyboard, or any input method |
| 03:19:14 | AntiProxy | or simply hand-write it |
| 03:19:19 | AntiProxy | and it`ll be stored as an image |
| 03:19:29 | AntiProxy | the text portions are editable |
| 03:19:32 | NonToxic | hiya all |
| 03:19:39 | AntiProxy | hi NonToxic .) |
| 03:20:39 | spiralman | hash: backspace doesnt seem to work |
| 03:20:41 | AntiProxy | lol.. what a timing.. |
| 03:20:44 | AntiProxy | just got some spam |
| 03:20:48 | NonToxic | hm? |
| 03:20:49 | hash | spiralman: which map? |
| 03:20:52 | AntiProxy | From: Customer Service <Customer_Service@customoffers.com> |
| 03:20:52 | AntiProxy | To: ******** |
| 03:20:52 | AntiProxy | Reply-To: mailings@customoffers.com |
| 03:20:52 | AntiProxy | Subject: Congratulations! You Get A Free PDA! |
| 03:20:55 | spiralman | hash: default one |
| 03:21:09 | hash | spiralman: weird... |
| 03:21:15 | hash | spiralman: i'll look in to that |
| 03:21:21 | spiralman | hash: enter doesnt seem to work either |
| 03:21:23 | hash | spiralman: just doesnt work? |
| 03:21:27 | spiralman | hash: unless i screwed something up |
| 03:21:37 | spiralman | hash: yep, just nothing happens when i click it |
| 03:21:39 | hash | spiralman: i see.. works for me |
| 03:21:48 | NonToxic | AntiProxy: haha |
| 03:21:49 | hash | i'll have to look that up |
| 03:21:52 | spiralman | hash: the button gets highlighted |
| 03:22:12 | NonToxic | hey, anyone know if there's software for opie that'll play MPGs? |
| 03:22:30 | NonToxic | X adds a huge amount of overhead on the iPAQ i think |
| 03:22:32 | spiralman | opieplayer |
| 03:22:39 | NonToxic | MPG video? |
| 03:22:43 | spiralman | yes |
| 03:22:46 | NonToxic | cool |
| 03:22:50 | NonToxic | what about DivX? |
| 03:23:05 | treke|home | NonToxic: not yet, soon |
| 03:23:10 | NonToxic | ok |
| 03:23:13 | spiralman | NonToxic: youll have to wait for op2 for divx |
| 03:23:19 | NonToxic | reboots out of the console and into OPIE |
| 03:23:20 | NonToxic | op2? |
| 03:23:21 | NonToxic | oh |
| 03:23:23 | NonToxic | opie player 2 |
| 03:23:24 | treke|home | for now you can buy tkcVideo if its important |
| 03:23:30 | spiralman | NonToxic: bug harlekin when he gets back if you want a beta copy |
| 03:23:31 | AntiProxy | Opie version 0.9.1-snapshot (built on Jul 15 2002) |
| 03:23:36 | AntiProxy | isnt that an OLD version? |
| 03:23:42 | NonToxic | in the mean time, opie player seems V. slow |
| 03:23:46 | treke|home | AntiProxy: pretty old |
| 03:23:56 | AntiProxy | what the heck man. i`m using the latest feed |
| 03:23:58 | spiralman | AntiProxy: i think that nobody has changed the variable that sets the version in sysinfo |
| 03:24:09 | AntiProxy | infact.. |
| 03:24:10 | AntiProxy | check this up |
| 03:24:12 | NonToxic | AntiProxy: btw the bootmanager is extremely useful |
| 03:24:41 | AntiProxy | NonToxic: i hear ya .) |
| 03:24:42 | treke|home | AntiProxy: you probably have two different opie feeds in ipkg.conf |
| 03:24:58 | spiralman | no, the opie.info feed is just marked july 15 |
| 03:25:01 | spiralman | its fine |
| 03:25:08 | spiralman | its not actually from july 15 |
| 03:25:09 | AntiProxy | treke: yes.. but one is commented out |
| 03:25:11 | treke|home | could be |
| 03:25:17 | spiralman | AntiProxy: ive got the same thing |
| 03:25:25 | AntiProxy | src v0.6-pre1-opie http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 03:25:25 | spiralman | AntiProxy: and its been that way through several builds of the feed |
| 03:25:29 | treke|home | hmm, so it is :) |
| 03:26:27 | AntiProxy | ~ # ipkg info opie-base |
| 03:26:28 | AntiProxy | Package: opie-base |
| 03:26:28 | AntiProxy | Version: 0.9.1-20020816.2 |
| 03:26:30 | NonToxic | loves the little 802.11b applet |
| 03:26:33 | AntiProxy | as fresh as it gets |
| 03:26:34 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 03:26:58 | ljp | ibot: message for harlekin: could you make a patch of your patches for xine arm? and maybe add that to cvs? unless that gets folded into xine_lib |
| 03:27:09 | AntiProxy | hmm.. one more thing... |
| 03:27:24 | AntiProxy | does opie have anything to do with power management? |
| 03:27:33 | treke|home | AntiProxy: nope |
| 03:27:34 | spiralman | AntiProxy: yes |
| 03:27:36 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 03:27:39 | treke|home | eh? |
| 03:27:39 | AntiProxy | one at a time |
| 03:27:43 | NonToxic | the light and power applet... |
| 03:27:52 | spiralman | opie deals with the apm device directly |
| 03:27:59 | spiralman | it doesnt even call the apm program |
| 03:28:13 | treke|home | funky |
| 03:28:19 | AntiProxy | spiralman: b4 i installed this ( 5 hours back that is ).. my iPAQ remained on when undocked |
| 03:28:27 | AntiProxy | now it automatically suspends after a minute |
| 03:28:35 | AntiProxy | i wonder who`s in charge of that . |
| 03:28:36 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 03:28:39 | spiralman | AntiProxy: well, the previous behaviour was incorrect |
| 03:28:53 | spiralman | AntiProxy: you are not supposed to be able to disable suspend when its not pluged in |
| 03:29:12 | AntiProxy | spiralman: i figured.. |
| 03:29:23 | AntiProxy | spiralman: the older version had tonnes of issues related to suspend |
| 03:29:32 | AntiProxy | my iPAQ never suspended cleanly |
| 03:29:38 | treke|home | the easy way around that was just to rmmod apm :) |
| 03:29:41 | AntiProxy | it always suspends.. resumes for a sec, then suspends for good |
| 03:29:43 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 03:29:57 | NonToxic | heh |
| 03:29:59 | AntiProxy | umm |
| 03:30:03 | AntiProxy | dammit |
| 03:30:03 | spiralman | AntiProxy: actually, i think thats an lcd controler thing |
| 03:30:04 | NonToxic | sometimes I have some problems with mine |
| 03:30:21 | NonToxic | it might not come up when I resume it |
| 03:30:25 | NonToxic | so I hit it again |
| 03:30:31 | NonToxic | it then comes up and powers down |
| 03:31:02 | spiralman | yeah, familiar moved the apm_bios device |
| 03:31:09 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 03:31:14 | spiralman | if you call apm resume |
| 03:31:17 | spiralman | it should create the necessary links |
| 03:31:30 | AntiProxy | is there any way to refresh the launcher? |
| 03:31:36 | AntiProxy | (other than the opie-sh script) |
| 03:31:41 | spiralman | AntiProxy: yeah, with a qcop call |
| 03:31:48 | spiralman | AntiProxy: which is all the opie-sh script is doing |
| 03:32:33 | AntiProxy | spiralman: well.. what call? |
| 03:32:35 | spiralman | AntiProxy: or restart opie |
| 03:32:40 | AntiProxy | or am i asking for too much? |
| 03:32:41 | spiralman | AntiProxy: look in the script : ) |
| 03:32:52 | AntiProxy | i`m not gonna grab it any time soon |
| 03:32:54 | spiralman | #/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop QPE/System "restart()" |
| 03:32:57 | spiralman | ack |
| 03:32:58 | AntiProxy | i wanna do this cleanly .) |
| 03:33:07 | spiralman | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop QPE/TaskBar "reloadInputMethods()" |
| 03:33:15 | spiralman | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop QPE/System "linkChanged(QString)" |
| 03:33:19 | AntiProxy | all that? |
| 03:33:22 | spiralman | those are what the script calls |
| 03:33:34 | AntiProxy | /etc/init.d/opie stop;/etc/init.d/opie start |
| 03:33:37 | AntiProxy | thats easier |
| 03:33:37 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 03:33:39 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 03:34:30 | treke|home | AntiProxy: click on start. shutdown. restart opie |
| 03:35:03 | AntiProxy | i know man.. |
| 03:35:25 | treke|home | easier that running it from the command line :) |
| 03:35:28 | AntiProxy | spiralman: i personally dont like the new behaviour of opie when it goes to power management |
| 03:35:52 | AntiProxy | spiralman: i`d like to have the iPAQ on as long as its on the cradle |
| 03:36:10 | treke|home | AntiProxy: make sure its getting power in the cradle. Mine stays on 24/7 if its powered |
| 03:36:36 | spiralman | AntiProxy: it shouldnt suspend when its plugged in |
| 03:36:44 | spiralman | AntiProxy: if it does, something is wrong |
| 03:36:59 | spiralman | AntiProxy: is there a file called /dev/apm_bios? |
| 03:37:20 | AntiProxy | nope |
| 03:37:55 | spiralman | AntiProxy: is there a /dev/misc/apm_bios |
| 03:37:56 | spiralman | ? |
| 03:38:05 | AntiProxy | nope |
| 03:38:17 | spiralman | AntiProxy: then you dont have the apm modules loaded : / |
| 03:38:26 | AntiProxy | no i dont |
| 03:38:26 | NonToxic | hey - is there a qcop message for opie player to tell it to start playing a URL? |
| 03:38:45 | spiralman | NonToxic: i think you can create a .desktop file that contains a url |
| 03:38:53 | NonToxic | argh |
| 03:38:57 | NonToxic | any special format? |
| 03:39:03 | spiralman | NonToxic: not sure |
| 03:39:14 | NonToxic | argh... |
| 03:39:20 | NonToxic | can I just run opie player with params? |
| 03:39:21 | spiralman | NonToxic: it might just be instead of the filename |
| 03:39:29 | spiralman | NonToxic: that should work as well |
| 03:39:34 | NonToxic | ok |
| 03:39:44 | AntiProxy | spiralman: are you saying i should or i shouldnt have apm modules running? |
| 03:39:57 | spiralman | AntiProxy: they should be loaded |
| 03:40:14 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 03:40:26 | AntiProxy | okay.. they are loaded |
| 03:40:31 | AntiProxy | i loaded them now |
| 03:40:40 | AntiProxy | what should change ? |
| 03:40:54 | treke|home | hmm thats annoying. using doing a time sync in opie kills all applets |
| 03:40:58 | spiralman | AntiProxy: is there a /dev/apm_bios or a /dev/misc/apm_bios ? |
| 03:41:07 | AntiProxy | i have /dev/misc/apm_bios now |
| 03:41:09 | spiralman | AntiProxy: all you should have to do is load the modules |
| 03:41:23 | spiralman | AntiProxy: you may have to link from /dev/apm_bios to /dev/misc/apm_bios |
| 03:41:28 | AntiProxy | spiralman: okay.. i lost track here |
| 03:41:45 | AntiProxy | spiralman: the device _was_ going into suspend mode... and resuming properly |
| 03:41:53 | AntiProxy | what are we trying to do now? |
| 03:41:58 | spiralman | AntiProxy: you said it wasnt |
| 03:42:08 | spiralman | AntiProxy: you said it was suspending when it was plugged in |
| 03:42:14 | AntiProxy | spiralman: i said it was. even when its docked |
| 03:42:15 | spiralman | AntiProxy: which is not correct |
| 03:42:18 | AntiProxy | and thats what i didnt want |
| 03:42:38 | spiralman | AntiProxy: docked, or plugged in? |
| 03:42:43 | AntiProxy | setting suspend timeout to 20 seconds |
| 03:42:54 | AntiProxy | pluged on the cradle, which is connected to the power |
| 03:43:00 | AntiProxy | whatever you call that |
| 03:43:01 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 03:43:06 | spiralman | AntiProxy: ok, its pluged in then |
| 03:43:22 | AntiProxy | is there a difference? |
| 03:43:26 | spiralman | AntiProxy: no |
| 03:43:31 | AntiProxy | anyway.. |
| 03:43:36 | AntiProxy | yeah.. its fine now |
| 03:43:36 | spiralman | AntiProxy: all that matters is if power is going to the device or not |
| 03:44:00 | AntiProxy | umm |
| 03:44:02 | AntiProxy | GRRR |
| 03:44:03 | AntiProxy | its not fine |
| 03:44:36 | AntiProxy | i dont understand how this is working |
| 03:44:41 | AntiProxy | it makes no sense to me |
| 03:45:06 | AntiProxy | a minute back.. the backlight went off.. |
| 03:45:14 | AntiProxy | and my ssh session got terminated! |
| 03:45:18 | AntiProxy | though the screen was still on |
| 03:45:24 | spiralman | AntiProxy: i think its one after the other |
| 03:45:43 | AntiProxy | one what after what? |
| 03:45:44 | spiralman | AntiProxy: so if suspend is 20 seconds, its 20 seconds after the bl turns off |
| 03:46:04 | AntiProxy | spiralman: but it IS pluged into the cradle.. |
| 03:46:09 | AntiProxy | it should NOT suspend! |
| 03:46:15 | spiralman | AntiProxy: correct |
| 03:46:23 | spiralman | AntiProxy: does it still suspend when pluged in? |
| 03:46:32 | AntiProxy | good |
| 03:46:32 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 03:46:33 | AntiProxy | atlast we agreed on one point today |
| 03:46:33 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 03:46:49 | AntiProxy | spiralman: not completely.. but its acting strange.. |
| 03:46:51 | spiralman | AntiProxy: the backlight will still go off when its pluged in |
| 03:46:58 | AntiProxy | or rather i say.. |
| 03:47:04 | AntiProxy | in an unpredictable manner |
| 03:47:11 | AntiProxy | yeah.. thats okay |
| 03:47:38 | AntiProxy | but 4-5 minutes back.. my shell connection got terminated |
| 03:47:47 | AntiProxy | as if the network card went on to standby mode or so |
| 03:48:00 | AntiProxy | and pings werent getting replied either |
| 03:48:05 | AntiProxy | so the iface was shut |
| 03:48:18 | spiralman | hrm, what kind of net connection is it? |
| 03:48:37 | AntiProxy | Ethernet 10MBps CF Card for now |
| 03:48:44 | AntiProxy | i didnt yet configure USB Networking on this |
| 03:49:23 | AntiProxy | okay.. it seems fine |
| 03:49:27 | AntiProxy | brb.. checking something |
| 03:49:28 | spiralman | ok |
| 03:49:58 | AntiProxy | hmmm |
| 03:50:04 | AntiProxy | this is completely strange |
| 03:50:12 | AntiProxy | /etc/modules has 'apm' |
| 03:50:21 | AntiProxy | something unloaded apm module then |
| 03:50:27 | AntiProxy | lemme reboot and check |
| 04:29:07 | hash | anyone have an ipaq icon, or opie icon or something? |
| 04:30:22 | NonToxic | default opie background? |
| 04:30:34 | hash | an icon |
| 04:30:58 | NonToxic | scale it down... |
| 04:31:08 | hash | sure |
| 04:31:16 | NonToxic | or, the green and black O |
| 04:43:28 | hash | anyone know where the default konsole sessions are? |
| 04:43:35 | hash | i dont want all all of them |
| 05:13:06 | NonToxic | night all..... |
| 06:34:38 | Groucho | hi there |
| 06:44:45 | scribe | Hey guys. |
| 06:44:50 | scribe | kergoth, you around? |
| 06:46:53 | Groucho | hi |
| 06:47:57 | scribe | I have some OpenZaurus questions. Anyone around? |
| 06:48:22 | Groucho | is around but not very OZ competent :-) |
| 06:48:29 | scribe | :) |
| 06:48:49 | scribe | thanks for sounding off |
| 06:49:01 | Groucho | Any specific OZ question ? |
| 06:49:22 | scribe | well, I just started using it. I have quite a few, really. |
| 06:49:25 | scribe | like: |
| 06:49:51 | scribe | does sansdisk sd memory (128meg) really work, or just kindof? |
| 06:50:07 | Groucho | oops ;-) |
| 06:50:10 | Groucho | => kergoth |
| 06:50:18 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 7 hours, 1 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: bbiaf, Im gonna read a book [Tue Aug 20 00:48:45 2002] |
| 06:50:18 | Groucho | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 06:50:28 | scribe | :) |
| 06:50:31 | scribe | that's funny :) |
| 06:50:57 | Groucho | so kergoth is still asleep- wait another 6 hours ;-) |
| 06:51:28 | scribe | Groucho: ok, will do. Thanks for the company. I'm probably better off sleeping now as well. |
| 06:51:44 | Groucho | just woke up and went to work :-) |
| 06:52:21 | scribe | is in Phoenix AZ USA. It's 12:58am here |
| 06:52:22 | Groucho | wanna change ? *gggg* |
| 06:52:27 | scribe | :) |
| 06:52:43 | Groucho | local time is 9:59 am here |
| 06:52:49 | scribe | Groucho: what device do you have? |
| 06:52:56 | Groucho | ipaq 3630 |
| 06:53:42 | scribe | Groucho: me too! I just got a Z. |
| 06:53:53 | scribe | The ipaq is cooler in some ways |
| 06:54:02 | Groucho | That's great. Any ipaq questions ? :-D |
| 06:54:05 | scribe | but I like the 2 builtin expansion slots on the Z |
| 06:54:20 | scribe | what environment are you running on the ipaq |
| 06:54:20 | Groucho | Yes, I am missing some slots on mine ... |
| 06:54:44 | Groucho | Famialiar 0.6pre and OPIE 20020820 (very latest feed) |
| 06:54:54 | scribe | :) cool. |
| 06:55:06 | scribe | Well, maybe you could answer a general opie question. |
| 06:55:13 | Groucho | Propably, yes :-) |
| 06:55:21 | scribe | I'm trying to dialup to my ISP via irda |
| 06:55:41 | scribe | and I've setup a 'service' in the network settings with my isp phone number |
| 06:55:47 | scribe | and username and passwd and such |
| 06:56:03 | scribe | and selected IrDA for the modem device |
| 06:56:08 | scribe | and all seem setup correctly. |
| 06:56:11 | Groucho | ok |
| 06:56:14 | scribe | but now I'm clueless. |
| 06:56:26 | scribe | I can't find a [Connect] button |
| 06:56:28 | scribe | or anything |
| 06:56:34 | scribe | how do I make it dial? |
| 06:56:51 | Groucho | There is a connect button in the network applet in the taskbar ... |
| 06:57:23 | scribe | I don't have a network applet |
| 06:57:29 | scribe | that's probably my problem! :) |
| 06:57:36 | Groucho | So you will have to install it ;-) |
| 06:58:13 | Groucho | Which feed are you running ? |
| 06:58:49 | scribe | I'm just using the oz3 feed for openzaurus. |
| 06:59:05 | scribe | I have it all downloaded to a microdrive, so I'll look to see if the package is available. |
| 06:59:17 | Groucho | it should be |
| 06:59:38 | Groucho | if you have problems, contact MickeyL, he is on irc normaly |
| 06:59:52 | Groucho | he maintains the OZ feed at wox.org |
| 06:59:58 | | Groucho: sorry... |
| 06:59:58 | Groucho | ibot: MickeyL |
| 07:00:12 | | Groucho: excuse me? |
| 07:00:12 | Groucho | ibot: Mickey |
| 07:00:23 | Groucho | hmm, no entry about Mickey |
| 07:00:30 | | OpenZaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 07:00:30 | Groucho | ibot:OpenZaurus |
| 07:00:41 | scribe | :) except that I seem to have misplaced my Z :) |
| 07:00:42 | scribe | hmmmm |
| 07:34:04 | scribe | Groucho: if you're intersted, have a look at my latest opie app: http://www.crosswire.org/qpsword |
| 07:35:44 | Groucho | Ah, you are the author of qpsword- nice reader. But too specific for my purposes ;) |
| 07:37:29 | scribe | :) I understand |
| 07:37:44 | scribe | it really has quite a few different views |
| 08:03:56 | erwan | hi all |
| 08:04:29 | erwan | i've installed opie 0.6.1 with success ! great job ! |
| 08:04:42 | Groucho | thanks- hope you like it |
| 08:04:53 | erwan | opie is installed on an 3850 ipaq |
| 08:05:19 | erwan | have you any experience about xine with opie ? |
| 08:07:56 | Groucho | erwan: are you refering to the new opieplayer ? |
| 08:09:56 | DaWorm | hrrmmm |
| 08:10:04 | DaWorm | erwan of the zok list? |
| 08:10:05 | DaWorm | right? |
| 08:10:22 | erwan | DaWorm: worng... |
| 08:10:29 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 08:15:07 | erwan | DaWorm: :-) |
| 08:15:49 | erwan | when i'm running xine on my ipaq, it tells that it can't connect to my X server... strange... but if i make an export DISPLAY on my computer it works... |
| 08:16:43 | Groucho | erwan: Why do you want to run an X Program on your ipaq when OPIE is running ? It wont work at all |
| 08:19:48 | erwan | Groucho: ok, so i must just start X then xine ? |
| 08:20:07 | Groucho | First stop OPIE, then start X, then xine. |
| 08:20:15 | Groucho | btw, this is not related to OPIE ;-) |
| 08:21:35 | erwan | Groucho: ok, i'm trying this... |
| 08:23:01 | Groucho | however the new opieplayer will be based on libxine, beta tests start this week. |
| 08:28:00 | erwan | Groucho: great news ! |
| 08:40:54 | scribe | g'nite all! thanks! |
| 08:41:27 | Groucho | nite |
| 08:58:32 | erwan | if some is intrested in i've a beautifull bootsplash for my ipaq... |
| 08:58:59 | Harlekin | screenshot? |
| 08:59:00 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 08:59:45 | erwan | http://erwan.velu.free.fr/ipaq/splash.png |
| 09:00:04 | erwan | it really works... designed is made by a friend |
| 09:00:31 | Groucho | nice |
| 09:00:56 | Harlekin | erwan: how about a opie splash |
| 09:01:00 | Harlekin | and where do you put it in |
| 09:01:01 | Harlekin | kernel |
| 09:01:07 | Harlekin | or low in start scripts |
| 09:01:11 | erwan | nope, i'm using gpe-bootsplash |
| 09:01:30 | erwan | and it uses splash.png file to make a bootsplash during kernel boot |
| 09:01:35 | Harlekin | somebody should clone it to opie-bootsplash |
| 09:02:02 | Groucho | apropos somebody- whereis zecke ? :-D |
| 09:02:20 | Harlekin | schule |
| 09:02:33 | Groucho | *gg* |
| 09:03:13 | Harlekin | erwan: and better would be a "pda rotated splash" .) |
| 09:18:43 | erwan | i'm looking for libXft.so.2 but no package seems to provide it.... |
| 09:19:07 | Harlekin | nothing to do with opie |
| 09:19:36 | erwan | Harlekin: right... sorry |
| 09:41:44 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
| 09:54:22 | Burner23 | hey. |
| 09:54:40 | Burner23 | Does anyone know how to install kismet on the 0.5.3 Familiar ?? |
| 10:25:05 | Groucho | re |
| 10:26:23 | Burner23 | Groucho: Are you looking too for a running kismet on Ipaq ? |
| 10:27:23 | Groucho | not currently, no ;) |
| 10:27:29 | Burner23 | looked like :) |
| 10:27:31 | Burner23 | soory :) |
| 11:57:23 | Burner23 | can someone please help me with the ppp connection to 0.6-pre |
| 11:57:41 | Burner23 | I did it like it was said in the ppp-HOWTO |
| 12:22:09 | bipolar | Is anyone awake this morning? |
| 12:22:26 | Harlekin | y |
| 12:22:39 | Groucho | was awake in the morning but bipolar wasnt |
| 12:22:46 | bipolar | heh |
| 12:23:19 | bipolar | I'm looking up sync software for Novell Groupwise. It doesn't look good for the zaurus. |
| 12:23:56 | Burner23 | never seen one bipolar |
| 12:24:51 | tux_mike | Novell? |
| 12:24:55 | tux_mike | pukes |
| 12:25:12 | bipolar | There is one product at toffa.com that is SyncML based, but there would still need to be SyncML support on the Z. |
| 12:25:32 | bipolar | tux_mike: Whats wrong with Novell? |
| 12:26:00 | bipolar | tux_mike: I've got a Novel 4.3 SFT system that Ive NEVER had to reboot. :) |
| 12:26:30 | tux_mike | i've had an NT server that never needed rebooting and many a *nix server that don't need it either |
| 12:27:00 | bipolar | tux_mike: An NT machine that never needed a reboot? Did you turn it on? |
| 12:27:21 | tux_mike | NT is stable, as long as you don't load anything else on it ;) |
| 12:28:45 | bipolar | Akk... the syncML stuff is only for PHONES! thats useless. |
| 12:33:58 | tux_mike | it is? |
| 12:34:07 | Burner23 | anyone knows how to install sound on opie? |
| 12:34:08 | tux_mike | i thought syncML was for anything |
| 12:40:09 | ljp_ | what do you mean sound? |
| 12:40:36 | Harlekin | benmeyer: so, want to test? |
| 12:40:38 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 12:46:15 | benmeyer | need to put OZ back on |
| 12:46:40 | benmeyer | been messing with 2.37 |
| 12:46:50 | benmeyer | and 2.38 trying to figure out what changed |
| 12:48:25 | Harlekin | can try it on that |
| 12:48:27 | Harlekin | works |
| 12:50:25 | Harlekin | benmeyer: also on retail rom |
| 12:51:06 | benmeyer | ah ok |
| 12:51:09 | benmeyer | ipk links? |
| 12:51:15 | Harlekin | my ip |
| 12:51:17 | Harlekin | port 8001 |
| 12:53:25 | gooofy | hi :) |
| 12:53:29 | Harlekin | hi |
| 12:54:18 | gooofy | hi harlekin :-) |
| 12:57:47 | bipolar | well.... I just blew off some steam on zaurus-general.... |
| 12:57:58 | Harlekin | ? |
| 12:58:10 | bipolar | hey! Everyone else was doing it! |
| 12:59:04 | Harlekin | about what? |
| 12:59:20 | bipolar | Harlekin: Alarm wakeups.... what else.... |
| 12:59:44 | Harlekin | on oz? |
| 12:59:45 | Harlekin | z? |
| 13:00:12 | bipolar | Harlekin: The question was about OZ, but I ranted about the whole thing |
| 13:00:28 | bipolar | Harlekin: I answered his question though. |
| 13:00:32 | Harlekin | works great on ipaq |
| 13:00:34 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 13:00:49 | bipolar | Harlekin: I know, becouse you're not using atd. |
| 13:01:01 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 13:01:02 | bipolar | atd sucks salty goat balls |
| 13:01:37 | bipolar | I'll never forget the time that TT guy said we need to stick to using atd becouse it's 'standard' |
| 13:01:53 | bipolar | god.... how stupid. they were all beyond reasoning |
| 13:03:25 | bipolar | you either want to set the RTC with as few layers as posible between you, or you want a full featured program to hold the que for you. |
| 13:03:32 | bipolar | atd is so half assed. |
| 13:04:16 | bipolar | and to write directly to atd's que is even more stupid... |
| 13:04:24 | bipolar | anyway.... I'm going off again.... |
| 13:04:27 | bipolar | :)( |
| 13:04:55 | bipolar | shuts his pie hole |
| 13:19:20 | gooofy | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:33:46 | Nermal | hmm |
| 13:34:02 | Nermal | anyone had problems with theire ipaq waking up randomly and draining its battery ? |
| 13:38:43 | Suppressor_g3 | hello |
| 13:38:48 | Suppressor_g3 | the site of the pocketlinux is down? why? |
| 13:38:52 | Nermal | umm |
| 13:39:02 | Groucho | Suppressor_g3: Because pocketlinux is dead |
| 13:39:07 | Nermal | pocketlinux isn't really being actively developed anymore |
| 13:39:25 | Groucho | Transvirtual shut everything down |
| 13:40:15 | Nermal | Groucho: you have any trouble with ipaq waking up of its own accord ? |
| 13:40:39 | Groucho | Nermal: Not since a while |
| 13:40:52 | Nermal | hmm |
| 13:41:13 | Groucho | Upgrade to the latest familiar and OPIE ;-) |
| 13:41:32 | Nermal | I am |
| 13:41:37 | Nermal | already running it |
| 13:42:36 | Groucho | hmmm |
| 13:43:12 | Suppressor_g3 | i am using opie |
| 13:49:32 | Suppressor_g3 | to user opie using ppp is not very portable |
| 13:49:39 | Suppressor_g3 | :/ |
| 14:06:21 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 14:44:31 | Suppressor_g3 | exit |
| 15:04:25 | benmeyer | that sucked |
| 15:04:39 | benmeyer | tring again.... |
| 15:05:01 | JasonNJ | harlekin: |
| 15:05:20 | JasonNJ | we will have an Open Source heavy weight joining the OPIE and OpenZaurus project soon |
| 15:05:34 | Groucho | JasonNJ: Which is ? |
| 15:05:39 | JasonNJ | Bruce Perens |
| 15:05:45 | Groucho | Hey |
| 15:05:55 | Groucho | Cant believe that |
| 15:06:03 | JasonNJ | not making it up. |
| 15:09:43 | Groucho | Will he be getting actively involved or supportive ? |
| 15:12:56 | hash | damn |
| 15:13:10 | hash | no way to play xmame and mame32 networked |
| 15:13:23 | JasonNJ | grouco: both |
| 15:14:42 | Groucho | JasonNJ: Very good. As I am doing most of the OPIE PR I think there should be a need to coordinate things a bit and Bruce seems to be the right person. |
| 15:15:29 | Groucho | JasonNJ: Any contact information you could give me ? |
| 15:15:38 | JasonNJ | bruce@perens.com |
| 15:15:52 | Groucho | *ggg* As easy as that :-) |
| 15:16:13 | Groucho | thanks |
| 15:16:31 | JasonNJ | I'm not sure what parts of the stuff he will be contributing to, at teh very least teh base OS of OpenZaurus |
| 15:16:38 | JasonNJ | I mean, he wrote busybox |
| 15:19:10 | Groucho | Doesnt matter. I will try to get in touch with him to coordinate some things. |
| 15:21:52 | JasonNJ | I'm meeting with him on sept 6 |
| 15:22:08 | JasonNJ | to discuss opening up certain specs on teh zaurus |
| 15:22:33 | Groucho | Will he be officially hired by Sharp for support ? |
| 15:22:39 | JasonNJ | no |
| 15:22:50 | JasonNJ | this is his personal interest |
| 15:22:57 | Groucho | OK, I see |
| 15:24:14 | Groucho | So these are mostly OZ issues |
| 15:25:20 | Groucho | Anyway, I am off. time to leave the office |
| 15:25:25 | Groucho | cu |
| 15:27:11 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: cool |
| 15:29:46 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: JasonNJ and since he is also still hp consultant, he could suggest opie handhelds there *g* |
| 15:31:41 | gooofy | is back (gone 02:12:21) |
| 16:05:06 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: he is not an hp consultant anymore |
| 16:05:48 | JasonNJ | well, I think he may be consulting on various projects but he is not an HP employee |
| 16:06:59 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: he is, but external |
| 16:18:57 | JasonNJ | whazzup. |
| 16:19:08 | Harlekin | ? |
| 16:40:51 | yl | anyone know why there is no font for my opie? |
| 16:41:03 | spiralman | install qt-embedded-rotation |
| 16:41:27 | yl | spiralman: k |
| 16:41:56 | tux_mike | bangs head on wall |
| 16:42:08 | treke|ho1e | maybe those fonts should just be included with qt |
| 16:42:21 | spiralman | treke|ho1e: that makes it kinda large for people without a 38xx |
| 16:42:31 | tux_mike | treke: and use up 4x the amount of space? |
| 16:42:35 | spiralman | treke|ho1e: and those people are more likely to have smaller amounts of ram |
| 16:42:37 | spiralman | rom i mean |
| 16:42:39 | tux_mike | the flash on my Z is precious |
| 16:43:15 | treke|ho1e | ah yes. 16mb rom. |
| 16:44:29 | spiralman | it would be nice if the opie-base ipkg had a postinst that did it for you |
| 16:46:14 | yl | spiralman: i just installed this menu that allows me to choose between opie gpe and console..provided by AntiProxy...but the menu is being dumped into the console instead of the screen.. |
| 16:46:38 | yl | spiralman: i can't find a perminent way to make the menu show on the display instead of the console |
| 16:47:01 | spiralman | yl: console=null in the bootldr params |
| 16:47:15 | spiralman | you can create a file called /boot/params that holds them |
| 16:47:18 | yl | yea..i do that |
| 16:47:25 | yl | how do i make it hold? |
| 16:48:05 | spiralman | using the /boot/params file |
| 16:48:42 | yl | do i just put console=/dev/null in that file |
| 16:48:47 | spiralman | no |
| 16:48:55 | spiralman | is sorta like a shell script for the bootldr |
| 16:49:01 | spiralman | so you have to put an entire command in there |
| 16:49:10 | spiralman | set linuxargs=args go here |
| 16:49:47 | yl | i c |
| 16:49:55 | yl | thnx |
| 16:50:14 | spiralman | but you have to set all of them, just like from the boot> prompt |
| 16:50:26 | spiralman | so you cant do set linuxargs=console=null |
| 16:50:46 | yl | ok i c |
| 16:51:30 | yl | is it linuxargs=blah or linuxargs="blah.." |
| 16:51:54 | spiralman | no quotes, i think |
| 16:52:03 | yl | k |
| 16:59:25 | yl | spiralman: cool it worked |
| 17:04:08 | spiralman | yl: spiffy |
| 17:48:31 | gooofy | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:57:12 | JasonNJ | has opie done any work to integrate java? |
| 17:57:17 | JasonNJ | like with kaffee? |
| 17:57:31 | spiralman | i think kaffe now has support for qt/e |
| 17:57:39 | JasonNJ | it does? |
| 17:57:42 | spiralman | but i dont think anybody has made an ipkg or tested it |
| 17:57:51 | JasonNJ | we should build an ipkg and play with ti |
| 17:57:58 | JasonNJ | I know it can write directly to the fb |
| 17:58:05 | JasonNJ | openzaurus needs a java vm |
| 17:58:25 | spiralman | i saw some talk of kaffe supporting java on the ml, thats all i know |
| 17:59:28 | zecke | JasonNJ: there is Qt support for kaffee |
| 17:59:39 | zecke | JasonNJ: but I did not look that deep into the code |
| 18:00:28 | zecke | spiralman: basicly this guy wasn't able to get the 'normal' AWT of kaffee running under opie and sent html mails..... |
| 18:02:30 | spiralman | zecke: no, this was after that guy |
| 18:03:33 | zecke | ok |
| 18:04:00 | zecke | did max fix the crash on exit problem? |
| 18:04:47 | spiralman | hrm, i dont know |
| 18:05:13 | zecke | damn my workstation broke.... during the heat wave in Germany |
| 18:05:27 | zecke | and my fscking notebook is sooo slow it takes ages to compile |
| 18:05:49 | zecke | gdb is outdatet which makes debugging no fun at all :( |
| 18:06:00 | zecke | and school started too ..... |
| 18:08:37 | zecke | JasonNJ: what is the status of Qtopia1.6? |
| 18:09:57 | JasonNJ | zecke: dunno. |
| 18:10:14 | JasonNJ | if Trolltech is providing it to sharp I havent seen it yet. |
| 18:10:46 | JasonNJ | has trolltech opened cvs on it yet? |
| 18:11:00 | spiralman | i dont think so |
| 18:11:14 | spiralman | although, apparently they accidentally had source on their site for a little bit |
| 18:11:28 | spiralman | ljp knows more about it, but he has signed an nda, so i dont know what all he can tell you |
| 18:12:04 | spiralman | and they have a page for it on their site listing expected features, and some more stuff |
| 18:19:08 | zecke | yes I saw that too and I've the Qtopia1.6 src too.... |
| 18:27:00 | JasonNJ | zecke: anything interesting in 1.6? |
| 18:27:39 | zecke | no only QtopiaDesktop SRCs but this was for OEMs only so I deleted them |
| 18:28:09 | zecke | they got a new mediaplayer audio and video widget and a today application( the 2nd ) |
| 18:28:20 | zecke | but both things are more or less broken... :( |
| 18:28:37 | zecke | PIM is still pointing into the wrong direction |
| 18:42:34 | gooofy | is back (gone 00:54:04) |
| 18:53:37 | zecke | ok basicly now it's time for a beta of opieplayer2 |
| 18:56:10 | JasonNJ | yo david. |
| 18:56:28 | JasonNJ | david: you dont have a lubbock board do ya? |
| 19:11:12 | lanbo | I saw next familiar has the option to come with opie! :-) That's pretty nice :-) It'll be easier now. Which version of opie does it come with? The one in the unstable feed? |
| 19:11:29 | spiralman | sorta |
| 19:11:45 | terrys | zecke: great roll it out - how about a better name than opieplayer2, how does "opus" sound ? |
| 19:11:52 | spiralman | as apps become "stable" jamey is adding them to a new opie feed on handhelds.org |
| 19:12:14 | lanbo | spiralman: Ah ok |
| 19:12:21 | spiralman | terrys: that doesnt make much sense. it would be more for like a composition app or something |
| 19:12:37 | spiralman | terrys: although, an interesting play on words, none the less |
| 19:12:54 | spiralman | terrys: also, opie player 2 is less confusing (its pretty obvious what it does) |
| 19:14:22 | zecke | terrys: I'm horrible in giving names |
| 19:14:39 | zecke | either I would name them Opie Media Player Something |
| 19:14:45 | zecke | or Zecke MediaPlayer..... |
| 19:15:08 | terrys | spiralman: right but "opie player 2" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue :) |
| 19:15:28 | spiralman | terrys: it doesnt really have to, i dont think |
| 19:15:31 | zecke | terrys: we don't sell software |
| 19:15:39 | zecke | terrys: we don't do marketing.... |
| 19:16:14 | terrys | zecke: not for dollars maybe - but everything ends be sold one way or the other... |
| 19:16:18 | zecke | we aim to produce clean and performing code... but there is a hell load of code still to be cleaned up |
| 19:17:43 | terrys | zecke: just a suggestion - understood there's always stuff to cleanup.. |
| 19:17:49 | spiralman | terrys: if some person were looking through a list of packages and saw "opus" or "opie-mediaplayer2", which do you think they would be likely to install? |
| 19:18:28 | terrys | I hear you - I'm trying to argue... |
| 19:18:50 | terrys | oppss/trying/not trying |
| 19:19:54 | NonToxic | OPlayer? |
| 19:20:24 | zecke | OpieMediaPlayer2 the first portable mediaplayer - based on xine technology - to play dvd while you're in a meeting. If you're able to get a dvd drive hooked up to your iPAQ |
| 19:21:13 | NonToxic | fast enough to decode DVD? |
| 19:21:34 | spiralman | dvd is just mpeg2 |
| 19:21:40 | terrys | zecke: not to burst anyone's bubble but playing dvds on iPAQ has been there for awhile |
| 19:22:01 | NonToxic | hmm |
| 19:22:07 | terrys | just not cleaned up like opie has done it. |
| 19:22:07 | gooofy | spiralman: oh how i wish that was true |
| 19:22:21 | NonToxic | I was having horrible problems decoding stuff in MPlayer on X |
| 19:22:45 | gooofy | NonToxic: try xine :) |
| 19:23:08 | NonToxic | xine on X crashed |
| 19:23:45 | gooofy | any error message? which version? |
| 19:24:46 | NonToxic | i believe it just refused to load it |
| 19:24:47 | NonToxic | or if it did |
| 19:24:50 | NonToxic | it'd segfault |
| 19:25:00 | NonToxic | I'm trying to stream a DivX or an MPEG over the network |
| 19:25:10 | zecke | gooofy: not even the initimiate people got it running |
| 19:25:34 | gooofy | NonToxic: using what server? |
| 19:25:39 | NonToxic | my PC |
| 19:25:40 | spiralman | op2 can stream mpeg resonably well |
| 19:25:48 | gooofy | zecke: got what running? |
| 19:25:59 | gooofy | NonToxic: no, i mean what software |
| 19:26:08 | NonToxic | IIS server i think it was |
| 19:26:11 | zecke | xine on X |
| 19:26:13 | NonToxic | i'm trying it with apache now |
| 19:26:20 | NonToxic | and P{2 |
| 19:26:22 | NonToxic | OP2 |
| 19:26:40 | gooofy | ah, ok |
| 19:26:51 | gooofy | zecke: runs here very nicely :) |
| 19:27:37 | NonToxic | hmm |
| 19:27:41 | NonToxic | it streamed a few seconds in OP2 |
| 19:27:48 | NonToxic | maybe it didn't like me having the sound panel open |
| 19:28:10 | spiralman | audio/video cant go out of sync when you stream |
| 19:28:26 | gooofy | ? |
| 19:28:33 | spiralman | it crashes xine |
| 19:28:37 | NonToxic | heh anyone wanna buy me a 256MB CF card? :) |
| 19:28:46 | NonToxic | yeah, mplayer there was huge lag on the video |
| 19:29:13 | gooofy | spiralman: why couldn't a/v get out of sync while streaming?! |
| 19:29:26 | NonToxic | gooofy: no, they can, but xine crashes |
| 19:29:27 | gooofy | spiralman: and why would that crash xine? |
| 19:29:32 | spiralman | gooofy: when av went out of sync with ffmpeg/ffserver xine crashes |
| 19:29:37 | spiralman | gooofy: even with xine on the desktop |
| 19:29:51 | NonToxic | looks for the serial cable, as he can't seem to SSH into his ipaq |
| 19:29:54 | NonToxic | thinks it's hosed |
| 19:30:07 | gooofy | spiralman: it really crashes? i'd expect it to just get stuck |
| 19:30:14 | spiralman | gooofy: it doesnt crash, it hangs |
| 19:30:27 | gooofy | spiralman: ok, that's clear |
| 19:30:42 | gooofy | known issue with ffmpeg's server |
| 19:30:45 | spiralman | gooofy: sometimes it makes me have to restart ffserver/ffmpeg |
| 19:30:54 | spiralman | gooofy: well, xine should still handle it gracefully |
| 19:31:05 | gooofy | how should it do that? |
| 19:31:20 | spiralman | gooofy: well, you could look at mplayer source, cause it does handle it gracefully |
| 19:31:46 | gooofy | mplayer has a completely different architecture |
| 19:32:01 | gooofy | i think it'd be a better idea to fix ffserver |
| 19:32:09 | gooofy | instead of trying to work around the problem |
| 19:32:11 | spiralman | ffmpeg actually |
| 19:32:16 | spiralman | its being worked on there |
| 19:32:18 | NonToxic | uhhhhhh |
| 19:32:23 | NonToxic | i hit enter a few times at minicom |
| 19:32:26 | NonToxic | and it just spewed crap at me |
| 19:32:30 | NonToxic | reboots the icrack |
| 19:32:55 | gooofy | wonders if ffmpeg will ever fix their sync problems ;> |
| 19:32:57 | spiralman | gooofy: id rather the audio play out of sync or skip than have the app hang and have to kill it or the server |
| 19:34:14 | Nermal | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3320.png |
| 19:34:15 | Nermal | :)) |
| 19:34:22 | gooofy | spiralman: keeping audio and video in sync is one of the primary goals of the whole xine architecture, so that is definitely not an option |
| 19:34:23 | Nermal | yay for ice age on my ipaq |
| 19:35:00 | gooofy | spiralman: why not simply use a server that works or fix ffmpeg? |
| 19:35:14 | spiralman | gooofy: because if you arent running the server, you dont have a choice |
| 19:35:32 | treke | so far my only complaint with op2 is the buttons are much smaller |
| 19:35:42 | gooofy | wow: there are really production servers running ffserver out there? |
| 19:36:16 | spiralman | treke: make a new theme |
| 19:36:42 | spiralman | : ) |
| 19:37:56 | zecke | nice |
| 19:38:01 | gooofy | spiralman: but of course i don't want to keep you from improving xine and make it handle ffserver-streams:) |
| 19:38:11 | zecke | I love ice age.... |
| 19:38:27 | treke | good movie? |
| 19:39:00 | zecke | a famous german comedian is giving one animal the voice.... |
| 19:39:19 | zecke | yes i was very amused when I only saw the preview |
| 19:39:29 | spiralman | ice age was pretty good |
| 19:40:48 | zecke | nite guys |
| 19:40:50 | NonToxic | oh-oh |
| 19:40:51 | NonToxic | "Sorry, no appropriate decoders found for this file: http://192.168.1.100/sbsp.avi" |
| 19:40:55 | NonToxic | suggestions? |
| 19:41:46 | gooofy | humm - maybe using a streamable format could help? |
| 19:42:01 | NonToxic | launched the wrong media player... |
| 19:42:27 | NonToxic | no, still doesn't like me |
| 19:42:44 | NonToxic | sees no blinkenlights |
| 19:42:59 | gooofy | NonToxic: avi files contain an index - at the end - you cannot stream those |
| 19:43:29 | NonToxic | I could a minute ago... |
| 19:43:36 | gooofy | ? |
| 19:43:50 | spiralman | to stream divx, you need asf |
| 19:44:01 | spiralman | as far as i know |
| 19:44:02 | gooofy | or ogm :) |
| 19:44:06 | NonToxic | watches a streamed MPEG |
| 19:44:17 | NonToxic | the framerate is pretty poor.. now it just locked up... |
| 19:44:33 | NonToxic | oh |
| 19:44:35 | NonToxic | i'm out of ram |
| 19:44:36 | NonToxic | lol |
| 19:44:45 | gooofy | mpeg (all flavours), ogg and asf are fine for streaming |
| 19:45:10 | NonToxic | spiralman, it says I can use divx in the OP2 readme... |
| 19:45:24 | spiralman | NonToxic: yes, divx is a protocol, not a file format |
| 19:45:32 | NonToxic | uh? |
| 19:45:37 | NonToxic | i thought it was an encoding? |
| 19:45:39 | spiralman | NonToxic: so, you need to have divx in an asf file, not an avi file |
| 19:45:44 | NonToxic | oh |
| 19:45:46 | spiralman | NonToxic: right, sorry |
| 19:45:49 | NonToxic | how would I go about converting it? |
| 19:45:51 | gooofy | spiralman: actually "divx" is a codec |
| 19:46:14 | NonToxic | removes the "mem=40m" at the end of his bootline |
| 19:46:23 | NonToxic | will I be able to stream MPEG in 64MB? |
| 19:46:29 | treke | actually "divx" is a crappy time limited dvd. You want "DivX ;-)" |
| 19:46:44 | gooofy | treke: right :) |
| 19:46:46 | spiralman | NonToxic: i was able to stream mpeg with a 32mb ram ipaq |
| 19:46:51 | NonToxic | hmmm |
| 19:46:52 | treke | if we want to get picky :) |
| 19:46:54 | spiralman | NonToxic: havent tried recently though |
| 19:46:56 | NonToxic | OP1 or 2? |
| 19:46:59 | spiralman | NonToxic: 2 |
| 19:47:03 | NonToxic | hmmmmmmm |
| 19:47:06 | spiralman | NonToxic: but with nothing in tempfs |
| 19:47:07 | NonToxic | reboots the 'paq |
| 19:47:16 | gooofy | NonToxic: you could try to use ogmtools http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/ogmtools/ to convert your avi to a streamable .ogm file |
| 19:47:50 | gooofy | ...which would also keep you out of m$ patent trouble ;> |
| 19:49:13 | NonToxic | :) |
| 20:09:08 | lanbo | good night! Stop working and take a rest guys :-) (the european ones I mean ;-) ) |
| 20:20:15 | NonToxic | POW |
| 20:20:20 | NonToxic | hits play |
| 20:20:30 | NonToxic | notes it play for about 3 seconds, then OP2 crashes. |
| 20:24:05 | gooofy | NonToxic: what kind of stream? |
| 20:24:15 | NonToxic | MPEG |
| 20:24:48 | NonToxic | hm. |
| 20:24:56 | NonToxic | my wlan decided to drop off the network,. |
| 20:25:33 | gooofy | so you simply play a local mpeg file or are you still streaming? |
| 20:25:57 | NonToxic | streaming |
| 20:26:03 | NonToxic | I don't have a real CF card |
| 20:26:13 | NonToxic | there's a few frames lag but it works |
| 20:26:34 | NonToxic | whoops |
| 20:26:38 | NonToxic | the card dropped again |
| 20:26:42 | NonToxic | I had to cardctl reset it |
| 20:30:19 | gooofy | has anyone tried using videolan as a streaming server? |
| 20:37:27 | spiralman | i was gonna, bu i havent had the time yet |
| 20:38:10 | gooofy | ok, because i have that on my todo-list as well :> ... hope they handle a/v sync correctly |
| 20:39:00 | spiralman | they should |
| 20:39:02 | spiralman | well, actually |
| 20:39:16 | spiralman | vls isnt an encoder, so it doesnt deal with syncing |
| 20:39:39 | spiralman | shouldnt anyway |
| 20:40:30 | gooofy | whoups |
| 20:40:34 | gooofy | right |
| 20:40:56 | gooofy | humm - maybe it is possible to hook up mp1e in it then |
| 20:41:01 | gooofy | ? |
| 20:41:02 | spiralman | just like, if you can use nvrec with ffserver, you can stream sync |
| 20:41:14 | spiralman | yeah, i think that might be possibly |
| 20:41:41 | gooofy | never tried nvrec, but i know mp1e is working very nicely (used it for live streaming at university and it stayed in sync for hours) |
| 20:41:42 | spiralman | there is a thread on their mailing list that talks about setting up a fifo, and encoding to that, and then pointing vls to the fifo for the mpeg stream |
| 20:41:55 | spiralman | nvrec has a really nice divx encoder |
| 20:42:17 | spiralman | which isnt any good fro vls, of course. but it also supports ffserver's ffm file format |
| 20:42:34 | spiralman | so you can use nvrec to encode, and stream multiple encoding/file types with ffserver |
| 20:42:42 | gooofy | hey - so at least we have found a solution :) |
| 20:43:04 | spiralman | yeah, except nvrec's ffmpeg support is broken, because ffmpeg is under rather heavy development |
| 20:43:33 | spiralman | but they claim that when ffmpeg 0.4.6 comes out, itll stabalise and they can support it again |
| 20:43:54 | gooofy | well - sounds good enough for me :) |
| 20:44:21 | spiralman | yep. cant wait to turn my ipaq into a portable tv : ) |
| 20:44:39 | spiralman | its an entirely pointless thing to do, but i want to anyway |
| 20:45:06 | gooofy | well you can do so today using mp1e + a simple tail -f in your /etc/inetd.conf |
| 20:46:14 | spiralman | hrm... |
| 20:46:25 | spiralman | i still need a way to change the channel as well |
| 20:47:03 | spiralman | ive got to write a script or something that kills the encoder, calls v4lconf and then starts the encoder again |
| 20:47:11 | spiralman | ill look into the tail thing later |
| 20:47:52 | spiralman | gonz: hey |
| 20:48:01 | gonz | hi spiralman ! |
| 20:48:24 | gonz | hehe the guy who now owns my ipaq is verry impressed by opie :) |
| 20:48:33 | spiralman | cool : ) |
| 20:53:09 | Harlekin | oh |
| 20:53:13 | Harlekin | BZFlag: you here? .-) |
| 20:53:43 | BZFlag | just, yeah. |
| 20:54:11 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 21:19:08 | [panix] | lins mal under autor |
| 22:15:08 | ljp | boo! |
| 22:15:41 | ljp | anyone here? |
| 22:16:05 | spiralman | hey |
| 22:16:26 | tux_mike | nope |
| 22:16:29 | ljp | whats a happenin'? |
| 22:16:34 | tux_mike | no one is homw |
| 22:16:57 | tux_mike | finishing dinner. gonna write my match detection code |
| 22:16:58 | ljp | I'm facing north now.. did anyone here notice? ;) |
| 22:17:32 | tux_mike | honestly, ljp, i had no fucking clue what way you were facing :) |
| 22:17:52 | mickeyl | but thanks for letting us know :) |
| 22:17:53 | ljp | south, of course |
| 22:18:12 | ljp | except when I'm writing code, in which case I face west |
| 22:18:30 | mickeyl | hmm... really? What's so good in facing west doing code? |
| 22:18:32 | tux_mike | writing all code, or just most? |
| 22:19:01 | ljp | well, sometime I write code on this machine, but its slower |
| 22:19:33 | tux_mike | i could code more if i had my laptop |
| 22:25:50 | ljp | I'm selling my laptop to my brother |
| 22:26:10 | ljp | even tho I use it at work to code.. |
| 22:26:20 | ljp | I'll just install a linux drive there |
| 22:41:06 | gooofy | bye |
| 22:45:34 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 23:11:59 | drw | Harlekin: ljp: Updated OTabWidget (fully doc'ed now), can I send you guys a patch? |
| 23:13:05 | Harlekin | drw: sure |
| 23:13:11 | Harlekin | drw: mind if i apply it tomorrow? |
| 23:13:22 | Harlekin | drw: (case it is ok) .-) |
| 23:13:24 | ljp | I can commit tonight |
| 23:13:41 | Harlekin | ljp: but please look through it |
| 23:13:45 | Harlekin | .) |
| 23:13:48 | drw | Harlekin: whenever |
| 23:13:49 | Harlekin | drw: documented it now? |
| 23:13:54 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:14:02 | drw | I'll send to both of you |
| 23:14:25 | drw | yes documented, LGPL, and a couple code tweaks |
| 23:14:36 | Harlekin | cool |
| 23:14:41 | Harlekin | sounds very good |
| 23:14:44 | kergoth | otabwidget going into libopie? |
| 23:14:50 | Harlekin | kergoth: that was the idea |
| 23:14:55 | Harlekin | since it is a cool thing to use |
| 23:14:59 | kergoth | Harlekin: nice. I agree |
| 23:15:22 | nikitas | hey there! :-0 |
| 23:16:16 | drw | once it is in there, I will upload my changes for sysinfo & appearance to use it |
| 23:16:18 | Harlekin | hi nikitas |
| 23:16:22 | Harlekin | drw: nice |
| 23:16:54 | spiralman | is away: gone |
| 23:17:00 | nikitas | what is the topic of discussion today? ;-) |
| 23:18:07 | drw | nikitas: Opie of course! ;) |
| 23:18:26 | drw | patch sent |
| 23:18:33 | Harlekin | drw: k |
| 23:18:43 | nikitas | weeeell, in that case... |
| 23:19:04 | nikitas | i was wondering whether there is some kind of exception handling mechanism in Opie!? |
| 23:19:06 | Harlekin | drw: docs look good |
| 23:19:12 | Harlekin | drw: do you mind to use the opie header? |
| 23:19:17 | ljp | exceptions? |
| 23:19:26 | Harlekin | nikitas: same as in qt and c++ |
| 23:19:30 | nikitas | that is, if something goes wrong and an app crashes, is it possible to handle that exception? |
| 23:19:40 | nikitas | meaning? |
| 23:19:48 | ljp | I havent really used exceptions except on windows |
| 23:19:54 | drw | Harlekin: I don't mind |
| 23:20:21 | Harlekin | with that ascii art |
| 23:20:22 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 23:20:29 | Harlekin | look in opē to grab it |
| 23:20:30 | Harlekin | .-( |
| 23:20:32 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:20:34 | Harlekin | even |
| 23:20:36 | Harlekin | .) |
| 23:22:44 | nikitas | ehm, coming back to my previous question, do you mean that there is already a framework with signals/slots taking care of exceptions? |
| 23:26:33 | ljp | ummm.. not really |
| 23:26:54 | ljp | I just handle errors |
| 23:27:21 | treke | error checking? whats that? |
| 23:27:38 | ljp | I dont think exceptions are too much of a deal on linux, cause they dont cause a melt down |
| 23:28:51 | drw | never used them myself |
| 23:31:47 | Harlekin | drw: new one looks good |
| 23:32:28 | ljp | I've used them in windows |
| 23:32:52 | drw | Harlekin: cool, so it's going in? |
| 23:35:25 | Harlekin | drw: maybe by ljp tonight |
| 23:36:53 | drw | Harlekin: k...thanks |
| 23:38:05 | ljp | ya I can do |
| 23:39:32 | nikitas | hmm, ok, thanx :-) |
| 23:49:27 | drw | Have to run..later everyone! |
