| 00:07:55 | akif | does anybody know where the ppp howto was again? |
| 00:08:01 | akif | I'm looking for the link |
| 00:25:13 | lars_g_away | bows |
| 00:25:18 | | hmmm... opie-sh is a shell frontend to qt dialogs (and a nifty text/html viewer) at http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812 and has some example-scripts at http://gonz.myip.org/opie-sh-apps/ |
| 00:25:18 | lars_g_away | ibot: opie-sh? |
| 00:25:57 | lars_g_away | hmm rit.edu seems to be having a trantum |
| 00:26:12 | lars_g_away | whoa this room is empty now! |
| 00:26:22 | lars_g_away | And quiet. |
| 00:26:46 | mark | yeh, europeaners are asleep |
| 00:26:55 | mark | well, should be at anyrate, unless ur silly like me |
| 00:27:04 | lars_g | and how what percentage of the room is european? |
| 00:27:21 | mark | a large percentage of the active population |
| 00:27:59 | lars_g | that mgith explain opie's grandness :) |
| 00:30:19 | mark | lars_g: :) |
| 00:35:15 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 00:35:23 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 00:35:32 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 00:44:53 | drw- | Later everyone... |
| 00:55:20 | ljp_studio | dwmw2_: ping |
| 00:59:46 | lars_g | you all enjoy pinging dwmw2 a lot don't you? ;) |
| 01:00:11 | ljp_studio | heh only today, I suppose |
| 01:13:26 | lars_g | i'm doing my first opie-sh script :) |
| 01:37:38 | numerobis | hi there |
| 01:38:04 | numerobis | is anybody out there |
| 01:42:08 | ljp_studio | nope |
| 03:24:44 | esemay | hi, i'm trying to sync opie with my pc using the sharp intellisync and I'm getting an error "the data of a terminal in accurate. Processing was stopped." anyone know what this is about? |
| 03:25:20 | ljp_studio | hmm never heard that one before |
| 03:25:29 | ljp_studio | ipaq? |
| 03:25:39 | esemay | yea |
| 03:26:18 | GrimGrinningGhos | I am getting the same error |
| 03:26:21 | ljp_studio | did you read the wiki about sync/ipaq/intelsync? |
| 03:26:54 | esemay | yup, set everything up according to it. I get network activity, but no data transfer |
| 03:27:13 | GrimGrinningGhos | It seems to start then stops almost immediately |
| 03:27:29 | esemay | yup |
| 03:27:59 | GrimGrinningGhos | What IP address are you using? |
| 03:28:10 | esemay | 192.168.1.104 |
| 03:28:22 | GrimGrinningGhos | I have mine set to dhcp and I use the ip address that is assigned to the device by the dhcp server |
| 03:28:31 | esemay | thats what i have |
| 03:28:37 | esemay | it just happens to get that ip |
| 03:29:03 | GrimGrinningGhos | I can't even get it to start with any other ip address |
| 03:29:50 | GrimGrinningGhos | it doesn't seem to matter which client you use either. I get the same error whether I am synching to outlook or palm desktop |
| 03:30:06 | GrimGrinningGhos | I was hoping someone may have an answer |
| 03:30:15 | esemay | yup |
| 03:30:20 | esemay | same problem |
| 03:30:33 | esemay | did u check the security app in opie? |
| 03:30:37 | ljp_studio | did you run the security settings app and select your ip range? |
| 03:30:50 | GrimGrinningGhos | I chose 'any' from the security app |
| 03:30:55 | esemay | as did i |
| 03:31:03 | GrimGrinningGhos | If I chose anything else it doesn't seem to connect |
| 03:31:23 | esemay | is there a file that I can just edit to get my info into the calander/address book? |
| 03:31:33 | GrimGrinningGhos | When it starts synching, opie appears to try and synch. |
| 03:31:47 | esemay | the backlight goes on right? |
| 03:31:53 | GrimGrinningGhos | esemay: what operating system are you using? |
| 03:31:56 | esemay | 98 |
| 03:31:59 | GrimGrinningGhos | ok |
| 03:32:03 | GrimGrinningGhos | im using XP |
| 03:32:06 | GrimGrinningGhos | so its prob not the os |
| 03:32:08 | esemay | do u get the same error as i |
| 03:32:14 | GrimGrinningGhos | yes |
| 03:32:25 | esemay | then its not the os |
| 03:32:55 | GrimGrinningGhos | it first displayes the synching window then it flashes the error message. When you click OK it then displays the synching window again. then exists |
| 03:32:58 | GrimGrinningGhos | exits |
| 03:33:12 | esemay | yup it also asks u to change the ip right? |
| 03:34:07 | GrimGrinningGhos | yeah, but that seems to be covered in the wiki as an idiosyncracy in the program |
| 03:34:16 | esemay | right |
| 03:34:52 | GrimGrinningGhos | I am wondering if we need to disable dhcp while synching |
| 03:35:03 | esemay | on the ipaq? |
| 03:35:13 | GrimGrinningGhos | yeah |
| 03:35:23 | esemay | it doesnt try to get a new ip though |
| 03:35:28 | GrimGrinningGhos | true |
| 03:36:06 | esemay | i really dont even care about syncing. a one way to the ipaq would be fine with me |
| 03:36:49 | GrimGrinningGhos | I am in more need of synching for work, however, if I could get it one way that would at least get me started |
| 03:37:19 | esemay | i'm just playing around with it for now, i still have a palm for everyday use |
| 03:37:39 | GrimGrinningGhos | I am a teacher and can get away without it during the summer months |
| 03:37:48 | esemay | alright |
| 03:38:30 | ljp_studio | you can always ftp port 4242 |
| 03:38:53 | GrimGrinningGhos | how would that work? |
| 03:39:29 | ljp_studio | that gives you a way tp put files on it, or copy them locally |
| 03:39:37 | esemay | is there ftpd setup on ipaq? |
| 03:39:47 | esemay | but what format do we use? |
| 03:39:48 | ljp_studio | qpe is a simple ftp server |
| 03:39:53 | GrimGrinningGhos | but, how would we inport them into the contacts/calendar etc... |
| 03:39:58 | ljp_studio | port 4242 username root no password |
| 03:40:16 | ljp_studio | they use xml files |
| 03:40:56 | esemay | where on the ipaq do they go? |
| 03:40:59 | GrimGrinningGhos | you wouldn't happen to know how to turn the pst file from outlook into an xml file do you? |
| 03:41:03 | ljp_studio | you _could_ use qtopiadesktop to add them to a file it will understand, and then ftp them in |
| 03:41:13 | esemay | is there qtopiadesktop for win? |
| 03:41:15 | ljp_studio | ohh.. no |
| 03:41:24 | ljp_studio | yes win qtopiadesktop |
| 03:41:41 | ljp_studio | doesnt sync with outlook though |
| 03:41:57 | GrimGrinningGhos | oh well |
| 03:42:13 | esemay | hmm |
| 03:42:14 | GrimGrinningGhos | I assume there has got to be another way |
| 03:42:42 | esemay | what is port 4243 used for? |
| 03:42:58 | ljp_studio | communication with sync software |
| 03:43:06 | esemay | ok |
| 03:43:21 | esemay | i did a ethernet capture, maybe i can see an error there |
| 03:47:04 | GrimGrinningGhos | ljp_studio: on another not could you tell me how to change boot parameters and turn of getty? I want to make my stowaway work and I don't know how to do either. Apparently I need to remove device=/dev/ttsao to open the port for the keyboard |
| 03:52:59 | esemay | alright, here is what i have so far: my desktop sends: SIZE: /home/root/applications/addressbook/addressbook.xml |
| 03:53:21 | esemay | the ipaq says: 500 Syntax error, command unrecognized |
| 03:53:37 | esemay | then the pc trys to retr it |
| 03:53:40 | BrianR | SIZE is an extension... |
| 03:53:54 | esemay | and the ipaq says requested action not taken |
| 03:53:59 | esemay | what do u mean by extension? |
| 03:54:20 | BrianR | esemay: as in not all ftp servers honor it |
| 03:54:46 | esemay | k |
| 04:00:29 | esemay | alright, it a directory problem. the desktop is trying to use /home/root/application whereas the actual data is in /root/applications |
| 04:00:34 | esemay | how do i fix this |
| 04:03:04 | esemay | its something to do with a link or something. i just dont know enought about linux to do it |
| 04:15:18 | esemay | i got it |
| 04:15:38 | esemay | you need to remove the directory /home/root (make sure there is nothing u need in it) |
| 04:15:52 | esemay | then issue the command "ln -s /root/ /home/" |
| 04:15:58 | esemay | then sync, and yea it works |
| 04:21:26 | GrimGrinningGhos | esemay, that worked to synch? |
| 04:21:54 | GrimGrinningGhos | what does that command do and where do you put the the linkver file? |
| 04:23:05 | esemay | yup |
| 04:24:02 | esemay | ln -s /root/ /home/ : links /root/ to /home/root/ so that a ls /home/root lists what is in /root |
| 04:24:32 | GrimGrinningGhos | do I put linkver in /root/systeminfo ? |
| 04:25:13 | esemay | i have the linkver file in /home/root/systeminfo which is really /root/systeminfo 2 names same directory |
| 04:25:30 | GrimGrinningGhos | ok |
| 04:25:42 | GrimGrinningGhos | im gonna try it |
| 04:26:19 | esemay | tell me if u get it to work |
| 04:27:30 | GrimGrinningGhos | im getting a new error |
| 04:27:36 | esemay | what is it? |
| 04:27:50 | GrimGrinningGhos | uable to initialize application API. Verify that correct application version is installed. |
| 04:27:59 | GrimGrinningGhos | let me check where my linkver file is |
| 04:28:09 | esemay | what string is in /home/root/systeminfo/linkver |
| 04:29:09 | GrimGrinningGhos | 1.13 |
| 04:29:18 | esemay | is it in the right place? |
| 04:29:30 | GrimGrinningGhos | its in /home/root/systeminfo/ |
| 04:29:35 | GrimGrinningGhos | maybe my symlink is wrong |
| 04:29:39 | esemay | maybe |
| 04:29:44 | GrimGrinningGhos | where would I go to check that |
| 04:30:05 | esemay | cd /home/root |
| 04:30:06 | esemay | and ls |
| 04:30:15 | esemay | verify that that is the same as a ls in /root |
| 04:30:58 | GrimGrinningGhos | ok i just erased systeminfo so that I can start over |
| 04:31:21 | GrimGrinningGhos | where do I make the actual directory, do I cd /home/root then mk systeminfo? |
| 04:31:37 | esemay | no |
| 04:31:41 | GrimGrinningGhos | then link /home/ to /root/ |
| 04:31:45 | GrimGrinningGhos | ok . . . |
| 04:31:56 | esemay | remove /home/root |
| 04:32:03 | GrimGrinningGhos | ok |
| 04:32:20 | esemay | len issue ln -s /root/ /home/ |
| 04:33:02 | GrimGrinningGhos | does it matter where I issue that command? |
| 04:33:07 | esemay | nope |
| 04:33:47 | GrimGrinningGhos | now root pops up in /home |
| 04:33:51 | GrimGrinningGhos | that is the sym link right? |
| 04:33:54 | esemay | right |
| 04:34:13 | GrimGrinningGhos | so now I go to root and make systeminfo |
| 04:34:29 | esemay | right now /root/ and /home/root/ should be the same |
| 04:34:39 | GrimGrinningGhos | ok |
| 04:35:38 | GrimGrinningGhos | that should be it |
| 04:35:40 | GrimGrinningGhos | right? |
| 04:35:43 | esemay | yup |
| 04:35:49 | GrimGrinningGhos | after making a new linkver that is |
| 04:35:53 | esemay | yes |
| 04:36:24 | GrimGrinningGhos | I just got the same message again, I am gonna check somethin |
| 04:36:53 | esemay | k |
| 04:37:37 | GrimGrinningGhos | systeminfo should be a directory within root correct? |
| 04:37:57 | esemay | yea |
| 04:38:14 | GrimGrinningGhos | and linkver should be within systeminfo |
| 04:38:24 | esemay | ./home/root/systeminfo/linkver |
| 04:39:30 | GrimGrinningGhos | I issue echo "1.13" >> /home/root/systeminfo/linkver |
| 04:39:45 | esemay | yea that should work |
| 04:39:47 | GrimGrinningGhos | that should create the correct file in the right directory |
| 04:39:54 | esemay | yea |
| 04:42:08 | GrimGrinningGhos | still getting the same error |
| 04:42:33 | GrimGrinningGhos | since the error indicates something about version, I would think that has to do with the linkver file wouldn't you? |
| 04:42:55 | esemay | yea, do u have the newest version of intellisync from that web page |
| 04:44:05 | GrimGrinningGhos | yea, I downloaded it yesterday |
| 04:44:46 | esemay | hmmm |
| 04:45:06 | esemay | what is the ls of /home/root |
| 04:45:40 | GrimGrinningGhos | applications documents settings systeminfo |
| 04:45:59 | esemay | should be ok |
| 04:46:08 | esemay | did u just do the ipaq? or is it ol |
| 04:46:09 | esemay | d |
| 04:46:38 | GrimGrinningGhos | it is all up to date (just installed opie yesterday) |
| 04:46:51 | esemay | what is the exact error |
| 04:48:05 | GrimGrinningGhos | hold on I think I may have figured it out |
| 04:51:01 | GrimGrinningGhos | it appears my problem was with outlook and not the ipaq |
| 04:51:08 | esemay | o |
| 04:51:09 | Wembly | is back. backie by request of speedy [SZoff] |
| 04:51:14 | GrimGrinningGhos | i believe I have gotten it straightened out |
| 04:51:57 | esemay | cool |
| 04:59:14 | GrimGrinningGhos | it works! |
| 04:59:19 | GrimGrinningGhos | yippie |
| 05:01:14 | GrimGrinningGhos | does anyone know where I can download the workproc app similar to the one on the zaurus or is there an open source version? |
| 05:01:32 | esemay | congrats, i know i'm happy |
| 05:02:34 | GrimGrinningGhos | esemay: That was great |
| 05:02:46 | GrimGrinningGhos | I have been batting this around for about a week |
| 05:02:53 | GrimGrinningGhos | I thought I was just me and was about to hang it up |
| 05:03:19 | esemay | if other people had it working it new it had to work, it just took 24 hours to get it to work |
| 05:03:40 | GrimGrinningGhos | not too bad |
| 05:03:51 | GrimGrinningGhos | do you have a stowaway keyboard? |
| 05:04:00 | esemay | i just installed opie yesterday, familiar sunday |
| 05:04:05 | esemay | nope |
| 05:04:15 | esemay | i just got the serial cable |
| 05:04:20 | GrimGrinningGhos | that is my next task |
| 05:05:21 | esemay | i dont really need it at this point, maybe in a week or 2 |
| 05:06:28 | GrimGrinningGhos | it was great to use it with pocketpc, I am really looking forward to using it withopie |
| 05:06:49 | GrimGrinningGhos | this may sound pretty stupid, but I can't get the time right |
| 05:07:03 | GrimGrinningGhos | is their an opie package for setting the time and date |
| 05:08:58 | esemay | yea |
| 05:09:55 | esemay | u should do: ipkg install opie-settings |
| 05:10:16 | esemay | you will get all the apps to set things: backlight, time/date, sound, etc |
| 05:11:26 | GrimGrinningGhos | you mean task-opie-settings right? |
| 05:11:33 | esemay | yea |
| 05:11:39 | esemay | sry |
| 05:12:01 | GrimGrinningGhos | I've noticed you can install to root/ram/ext. I have also noticed that when apps are installed in ram they are gone if you reboot |
| 05:12:32 | esemay | wouldnt know, sorry |
| 05:13:53 | GrimGrinningGhos | ok |
| 05:14:55 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 05:15:23 | GrimGrinningGhos | I have also noticed that even withthe screen brightenessed turned down, I seem to loose battery power faster under opie than ppc, have you noticed that? |
| 05:17:51 | esemay | not really, havent used it enought yet, and I have the dual pc card sleve so i have lots of battery |
| 05:20:50 | GrimGrinningGhos | cool |
| 05:22:08 | esemay | its nice: wired/wireless network, cf/network, modem/netork, u get the idea |
| 05:23:01 | esemay | or no cards and use just the battery |
| 05:23:22 | GrimGrinningGhos | i bet |
| 05:23:28 | GrimGrinningGhos | they are pretty bulky, but you get so much for it |
| 05:24:13 | esemay | i can still hold it in 1 hand and I always have a bag, the "pocket" part really doesnt matter |
| 05:24:28 | GrimGrinningGhos | you said you have a palm as well |
| 05:24:34 | GrimGrinningGhos | how do you like it compared with the ipaq? |
| 05:34:25 | GrimGrinningGhos | anyone know why konquerer was removed from the unstable feed? |
| 05:57:30 | lars_g | It's here!! he's here!!! beware! ;) |
| 05:58:23 | lars_g | harlekin, Kergoth. Any of you two alive please? |
| 05:58:50 | Harlekin | 2 min |
| 05:58:54 | Harlekin | then gone |
| 06:01:35 | lars_g | Harlekin: fast then :) |
| 06:01:45 | lars_g | Harlekin: is Ligh and power maintained? |
| 06:01:54 | Harlekin | yes |
| 06:02:00 | Harlekin | whats missing |
| 06:02:22 | lars_g | Harlekin: the option to disable suspend when the power source is connected. |
| 06:02:44 | Harlekin | that is active anyway |
| 06:02:58 | Harlekin | when ac is on, it wont suspend |
| 06:03:11 | lars_g | not mine |
| 06:04:43 | lars_g | hmm I was wrong harlekin sorry, it will enter a LCD off suspend but not a power suspend... |
| 06:04:44 | lars_g | sorry |
| 06:07:15 | lars_g | Have a good night. |
| 06:38:25 | Groucho | Hiho there |
| 07:15:10 | Groucho | New feed is up at opie.info ... |
| 09:19:52 | akif | is anybody here |
| 09:19:56 | akif | ls |
| 09:20:32 | akif | does anybody know the difference between |
| 09:20:35 | akif | http://opie.handhelds.org/flash/familiar_052pre1_opie_4-18-2002_root.jffs2 |
| 09:20:48 | akif | and the root file at familiar?? |
| 09:52:50 | Groucho | hiho there |
| 12:00:51 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: ping |
| 12:28:56 | sandman | honeypea: Did you test the opiealarm from the new feed yet ? |
| 12:29:38 | honeypea | sandman|away: oh. i upgraded last night, and the binary diffed as the same as the old unpatched one |
| 12:29:46 | honeypea | so put your patched one back :) |
| 12:34:16 | ljp_studio | hi |
| 12:34:35 | ljp_studio | whats shakin' in opie-ville? |
| 12:37:54 | ljp_studio | hmm that exciting, eh? |
| 12:41:28 | ljp_studio | gpe rules |
| 12:41:49 | ljp_studio | errr gpe ruleZ |
| 12:45:08 | ljp_studio | I subscribed to the gpe mailing list to spy.. ;) |
| 12:46:48 | honeypea | ljpea |
| 12:46:58 | honeypea | you spy, you |
| 12:47:40 | Harlekin | ljp_studio: ask them about the gsm stuff |
| 12:47:44 | Harlekin | or look in the code |
| 12:50:20 | ljp_studio | i wish I could figure out adpsm, cause the code I have to use it is only 2 lines! but it must use some weird something cause it doesn't sound correct |
| 12:50:27 | ljp_studio | adpcm even |
| 12:52:04 | ljp_studio | or maybe my data types are funky, or I write the header/file wrong.. I dunno... |
| 12:52:48 | ljp_studio | I'll work on that over the 'holiday' |
| 12:52:49 | honeypea | points up for sandman |
| 12:54:29 | sandman | honeypea: Groucho built a new feed ~5 hours ago (he said he included my "release" verison of opiealarm) |
| 12:54:35 | ljp_studio | ouch |
| 12:55:08 | sandman | honeypea: Groucho built a new feed ~5 hours ago (he said he included my "release" verison of opiealarm) |
| 12:55:28 | honeypea | ok sandman - will upgrade and let you know. |
| 12:55:44 | sandman | honeypea: k .. no need to hurry ;) |
| 12:55:51 | honeypea | :) |
| 12:57:48 | ljp_studio | sleepin in the afternoon, eh? |
| 14:21:05 | honeyzzz | zzzz;s |
| 15:07:03 | GrimGrinningGhos | Hello, how can I remove console=/dev/ttySA0 from my boot parameters? |
| 15:07:14 | GrimGrinningGhos | I can't even find my boot parameters |
| 15:35:32 | VerxHome | hello everyone |
| 15:35:38 | VerxHome | I just sent an email to the Opie list |
| 15:35:46 | VerxHome | I would like your feedback . . . |
| 15:43:24 | akif | is anybody out here who could help me with a ppp peers script |
| 15:43:41 | treke | #handhelds.org is more likely to be helpful |
| 15:43:53 | akif | thank you treke |
| 15:44:05 | akif | the thing is I had it working just an hour ago |
| 15:44:11 | akif | but I had to reflush my ipaq |
| 15:44:18 | treke | they will still be more helpful |
| 15:44:30 | akif | thank you treke |
| 15:44:37 | treke | no problem |
| 16:10:21 | treke | I think I will :) |
| 16:14:06 | VerxHome | you will wut? |
| 16:14:58 | VerxHome | howdy ljp |
| 16:15:04 | VerxHome | how goes life? |
| 16:15:31 | ljp_ | okj, I suppose.. it'd be better if flash were faster.. |
| 16:15:43 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:15:50 | VerxHome | I think it would be better for everyone |
| 16:15:50 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:16:11 | VerxHome | well |
| 16:16:14 | VerxHome | I am off work today |
| 16:16:16 | VerxHome | and tomorrow |
| 16:16:24 | VerxHome | and Friday, Sat, Sun |
| 16:16:31 | treke | fun |
| 16:16:37 | VerxHome | so I figured I would try my hand at learning to program in Qt for opie |
| 16:16:47 | treke | much excellante |
| 16:16:53 | VerxHome | could I maybe ask you guys some questions as I go? |
| 16:16:53 | ljp_ | ahhhh.. interesting |
| 16:17:01 | ljp_ | no ;) |
| 16:17:06 | HrAbbey | VerxHome: got your project picked yet? |
| 16:17:11 | VerxHome | pretty much |
| 16:17:21 | VerxHome | There is a new app called "Shopper 1.0" |
| 16:17:25 | VerxHome | it is on ZSI |
| 16:17:41 | VerxHome | I haven't looked at the code yet, but I think it has to be very simple |
| 16:17:47 | VerxHome | the program is extremely simple minded |
| 16:17:54 | VerxHome | and I thought I would try to extend its functionality |
| 16:19:58 | VerxHome | wow |
| 16:20:08 | VerxHome | freeciv was just released for Z/iPAQ! |
| 16:20:48 | treke | w00000t |
| 16:20:50 | treke | where? |
| 16:21:04 | VerxHome | ZSI |
| 16:21:11 | VerxHome | checks ZSI about ever 30 seconds or so |
| 16:21:11 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:21:57 | treke | ha |
| 16:22:17 | ljp_ | verx: how about an app that steals vcards from good looking women walking by? |
| 16:22:32 | VerxHome | vcards? |
| 16:22:35 | VerxHome | what are those? |
| 16:22:36 | kergoth | hah, i want that app |
| 16:22:39 | ljp_ | address |
| 16:22:57 | ljp_ | vcard is how contacts are beamed |
| 16:23:02 | VerxHome | why use an app? |
| 16:23:05 | VerxHome | I just ask them |
| 16:23:07 | VerxHome | and they tell me |
| 16:23:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:23:15 | kergoth | VerxHome: he's lazy |
| 16:23:16 | ljp_ | not high techenough |
| 16:23:27 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 16:23:32 | ljp_ | besides, they run away too fast |
| 16:23:38 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:23:39 | VerxHome | supposes ljp wants a high tech encounter in the bedroom too |
| 16:23:48 | VerxHome | finds low tech works best there . . . |
| 16:23:52 | kergoth | heh, no computers are allowed in my bedroom |
| 16:23:54 | kergoth | or tv |
| 16:24:00 | ljp_ | heh.. ya a vib chip in the z would help, I suppose |
| 16:24:00 | VerxHome | me either |
| 16:24:22 | treke | I allow a laptop in mine on a limited basis |
| 16:24:36 | kergoth | treke: yeh thats a valid exception :-) |
| 16:24:40 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:24:45 | VerxHome | I just grabbed the Shopper source |
| 16:24:47 | kergoth | I need a laptop |
| 16:24:53 | VerxHome | the largest single file in the directory is 10K |
| 16:25:04 | treke | small apartment, so I can hear the desktop in my living room just fine :) |
| 16:25:05 | VerxHome | this should be a relatively easy one to digest I would think |
| 16:25:20 | ljp_ | kergoth: I have an old Epson 486 laptop I'll give ya |
| 16:25:32 | kergoth | ljp_: hah.. |
| 16:25:33 | ljp_ | no floppy, or cd rom |
| 16:25:49 | VerxHome | has an extra HP Omnibook 800CT (P166MMX with 80MB of ram and a 2GB disk) |
| 16:26:17 | VerxHome | mine has floppy and cdrom, both external though, so the unit itself is nice and small |
| 16:26:27 | ljp_ | best thing about that Epson, is I can see the display outside |
| 16:26:42 | VerxHome | transflective? |
| 16:26:49 | ljp_ | nope gray scale |
| 16:26:53 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 16:26:56 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:28:04 | VerxHome | Ok, I should probably make sure I can compile Shopper before I make any changes to it |
| 16:29:51 | VerxHome | main.cpp:1: qpe/qpeapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:29:58 | VerxHome | how should I best get that to work with an app? |
| 16:30:06 | VerxHome | symlink the include directory somewhere? |
| 16:30:14 | treke | VerxHome: Make sure your build environment is set up right |
| 16:30:20 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 16:30:29 | VerxHome | well, my build environment builds opie just fine |
| 16:30:37 | VerxHome | but it seems like whenever I download anything else |
| 16:30:42 | VerxHome | it doesn't build clean |
| 16:30:57 | treke | VerxHome: : You need to make sure the opie header and libs are in the include path |
| 16:31:28 | VerxHome | the include path has -I$(QPEDIR)/include and -I$(QTDIR)/include |
| 16:31:46 | treke | ah, export QPEDIR to opie's directory |
| 16:32:13 | VerxHome | I did |
| 16:32:18 | VerxHome | QPEDIR = /skiff/src/opie |
| 16:32:47 | VerxHome | oh, need to re source the env file |
| 16:32:58 | VerxHome | ". opie_build_env"'s |
| 16:32:59 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:33:33 | VerxHome | ljp: Do you have a gerbil eating your internet connection? |
| 16:33:39 | VerxHome | you seem to lose it about every 10 minutes |
| 16:33:57 | VerxHome | ls |
| 16:34:05 | ljp_ | no... I'm at work, and if a customer want to use a credit card, or want me to track something for them.. |
| 16:34:15 | VerxHome | cool, Shopper built clean |
| 16:34:26 | VerxHome | ljp: Where do you work? |
| 16:34:42 | ljp_ | my shop. |
| 16:34:47 | VerxHome | shop? |
| 16:34:56 | ljp_ | its a mailboxes etc type of place |
| 16:35:03 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 16:35:07 | VerxHome | you own it then? |
| 16:35:20 | ljp_ | yes |
| 16:35:26 | VerxHome | that is awesome man |
| 16:35:39 | ljp_ | cept I'm going broke |
| 16:35:42 | VerxHome | oh |
| 16:35:46 | VerxHome | well, that part isn't awesome |
| 16:35:49 | VerxHome | sorry to hear that |
| 16:35:58 | ljp_ | but I can code all day |
| 16:36:03 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:36:19 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:36:27 | VerxHome | now that I have a working Shopper compile |
| 16:36:37 | VerxHome | I can try to modify it a bit |
| 16:36:44 | VerxHome | or at least get familiar with the sourcecode |
| 16:37:52 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:38:01 | VerxHome | 18 pages of code in the main .cpp |
| 16:38:11 | VerxHome | well, "screens" of code - not pages |
| 16:45:04 | VerxHome | man |
| 16:45:11 | VerxHome | putty lets you set it to full screen |
| 16:45:25 | VerxHome | and Lucida Console is a BEAUTIFUL font for editting |
| 16:45:41 | VerxHome | might have found a new love - emacs in putty on windows in lucida console full screen |
| 16:45:41 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:46:09 | treke | s/love/torment/ |
| 16:46:12 | VerxHome | pretends the SSH session is a linux console |
| 16:46:12 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:46:53 | VerxHome | this is the most beautiful console I have ever had |
| 16:46:54 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:47:18 | VerxHome | ponders |
| 16:47:22 | kergoth | VerxHome: i love cygwin myself :-) |
| 16:47:27 | VerxHome | a few more putty sessions at fullscreen. . . |
| 16:47:34 | VerxHome | and I could alt/tab to get to them |
| 16:47:36 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:48:42 | VerxHome | actually |
| 16:48:46 | VerxHome | lemme install screen! |
| 16:48:47 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:02:04 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:14:26 | VerxHome | I have a linux kernel question |
| 17:14:38 | VerxHome | I need to know how to pass parameters to the kernel in lilo.conf |
| 17:15:17 | VerxHome | do you separate them with commas? |
| 17:15:24 | VerxHome | (if you have more than one I mean) |
| 17:17:13 | treke | spaces |
| 17:17:46 | treke | append="mem=nopentium hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi" for example |
| 17:18:15 | VerxHome | ok |
| 17:18:28 | VerxHome | how does it know what to send that value to? |
| 17:18:36 | VerxHome | like I have a wireless card driver in the kernel |
| 17:18:38 | VerxHome | it isn't a module |
| 17:18:52 | VerxHome | the docs I have tell me that I would do this if it was a module: |
| 17:19:02 | VerxHome | options orinoco_cs ignore_cis_vcc=1 |
| 17:19:09 | VerxHome | the above would go into /etc/modules |
| 17:19:26 | VerxHome | I am guessing that I can't simply add "ignore_cis_vcc=1" to the append line |
| 17:19:26 | treke | Dont know, I do everything I possibly can as modules |
| 17:19:28 | VerxHome | or can I? |
| 17:19:57 | VerxHome | well, the docs back in November said that the dlink pcmcia wireless card worked more reliably with an in kernel driver |
| 17:19:59 | VerxHome | than one as a module |
| 17:20:08 | VerxHome | so that is how I am trying to set it up |
| 18:00:37 | VerxHome | howdy, I am back |
| 18:01:41 | VerxHome | going to reinstall debian on my dual cpu box |
| 18:01:51 | VerxHome | HOPEFULLY I will be able to get the wireless to go stable |
| 18:02:15 | ljp_ | thinks debian is over rated |
| 18:02:23 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 18:02:24 | VerxHome | not hardly |
| 18:02:38 | ljp_ | too many fanatics |
| 18:02:57 | kergoth | ljp_: linux in general has too many fanatics :-) |
| 18:03:05 | ljp_ | true that.. |
| 18:03:27 | ljp_ | but its still just a tool |
| 18:03:31 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:04:21 | ljp_ | I tried debian.. but mandrake had my linksys pccardbus eth workingout of the box |
| 18:05:41 | ljp_ | couple years ago.. slackware was 'the leet' |
| 18:05:47 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:06:08 | kergoth | i remember the first time i tried redhat.. man it was shit, i went back to slackware |
| 18:06:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:06:10 | treke | ljp_: : Try it again... they upgraded to 2.2 now :) |
| 18:07:12 | ljp_ | I have tried slack.. not intuitive enough for me. I'm tired of messing around |
| 18:07:37 | treke | I mean try debian again :) |
| 18:07:40 | ljp_ | my first install was redhat 5.0.. |
| 18:07:58 | ljp_ | I finally got to the prompt.. and then..... 'now what!?!" |
| 18:08:02 | treke | twas a good distro. Wasnt that the first with kde? |
| 18:08:49 | kergoth | i remember the first time i saw the redneck language in linux. amusing :-) |
| 18:10:16 | ljp_ | adpcm sounds like poop |
| 18:10:38 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:10:51 | ljp_ | wav compression |
| 18:11:21 | ljp_ | an audiophile shouild _not_ try to write/maintain a voice recordig\ng app for a pda |
| 18:11:43 | kergoth | i know what adpcm is :-) |
| 18:11:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:12:03 | Harlekin | and audiophile shoudl have an ipaq |
| 18:12:10 | ljp_ | haha |
| 18:12:11 | Harlekin | since it has by far the best soundchip |
| 18:12:15 | ljp_ | nope |
| 18:12:21 | Harlekin | oh yes |
| 18:12:27 | Harlekin | the one from sony md players |
| 18:12:27 | kergoth | Harlekin: whats it use? |
| 18:12:35 | ljp_ | oh no.. just cause you canrecord in stereo you think ts better |
| 18:12:45 | Harlekin | that too |
| 18:12:50 | Harlekin | but also the soundchip is better |
| 18:13:25 | ljp_ | I dont know, when I hook up my Z to my audio desk/mixer.. it sounds decent |
| 18:13:43 | ljp_ | not quite bassy enough, tho |
| 18:14:09 | ljp_ | somehow I doubt gsm is going to sound any better than adpcm |
| 18:15:10 | Harlekin | probably not |
| 18:15:29 | Harlekin | but as i said 99% of the people want to use it as voice recorder |
| 18:15:38 | ljp_ | only thing is.. gsm has patent issues |
| 18:15:39 | Harlekin | not sound harddisk recorder for sampling |
| 18:15:52 | Harlekin | ljp_: oh, and teh "we are the free" gtk people use it |
| 18:15:53 | Harlekin | cool |
| 18:15:54 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:16:18 | ljp_ | heh I guess they didnt really look into that. Phillips claims patents on gsm |
| 18:16:51 | ljp_ | obviously they arent rigorous in defending it. |
| 18:17:31 | ljp_ | Intel has patents on adpcm, but theyare enforcing it anymore |
| 18:17:37 | ljp_ | aren't |
| 18:18:03 | ljp_ | and I'm going to have to do more coding to get gsm working |
| 18:18:20 | ljp_ | not two lines like adpcm |
| 18:18:22 | Harlekin | so we need to have oac codec |
| 18:19:04 | Harlekin | hi leseb |
| 18:19:15 | leseb | hi |
| 18:21:56 | ljp_ | great.. gsm has nice functions named P1() P2(), P3() |
| 18:22:06 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 18:22:11 | Harlekin | ljp_: lets write oac |
| 18:22:23 | ljp_ | oac? |
| 18:22:35 | Harlekin | opie audio codec |
| 18:22:41 | Harlekin | *g* |
| 18:22:46 | ljp_ | hehehe yo so funny |
| 18:29:25 | ljp_ | and gsm has great variable names such as cc, or r and s and d |
| 18:31:21 | ljp_ | oh, here's one I understand.. in |
| 18:41:07 | honeypea | "does anyone know what the maximum length of a USB cable can be?" (anyone?) |
| 18:42:32 | ljp_ | 15 feet |
| 18:43:01 | honeypea | thanks! |
| 18:44:31 | akif | re |
| 18:44:51 | ljp_ | hi |
| 18:45:06 | akif | hallo |
| 18:45:08 | akif | hello |
| 18:45:10 | akif | sorry |
| 18:45:15 | fraggsta | does anyone know, is the USB connector the Zaurus uses a |
| 18:45:17 | fraggsta | standard USB connector? I would need to buy it a longer cable |
| 18:45:37 | ljp_ | on the computer side, yes |
| 18:45:49 | akif | sorry I do not own a zaurus |
| 18:46:01 | fraggsta | but the connector on the zaurus is not standard? |
| 18:47:54 | ljp_ | the connector is the cradle |
| 18:48:26 | ljp_ | Z->Cradle->usb on computer |
| 18:48:49 | ljp_ | you could add on to the computer side |
| 18:49:45 | fraggsta | its either that or buy it a network card |
| 18:49:51 | fraggsta | I have *rolls* of rj45 :) |
| 18:54:48 | Harlekin | hmm, once i need verx, he is not here |
| 18:55:12 | ljp_ | usb cant add too much length, if you have to go farther than 15 feet, use a net card |
| 19:28:37 | fraggsta | goes |
| 20:05:44 | honeypea | ipkg upgrade -> segfault? anyone? |
| 20:08:40 | honeypea | Package opie-citytime (0.9.1-20020701) installed in root is up to date |
| 20:08:40 | honeypea | Segmentation fault |
| 20:16:34 | ljp_work | honeypea: is that with oipkg? |
| 20:16:50 | honeypea | nope ljp: ipkg update; ipkg upgrade |
| 20:16:52 | honeypea | just now |
| 20:17:33 | ljp_work | oh |
| 20:17:58 | ljp_work | maybe it crashed because they/we went to a lower version numbering |
| 20:18:46 | honeypea | well, i upgrade most days :) i did the opie-upgrade some time ago |
| 20:18:56 | ljp_work | oh |
| 20:19:09 | honeypea | plenty of space too |
| 20:19:14 | honeypea | hm |
| 20:19:25 | ljp_work | ? |
| 20:19:38 | honeypea | got about 10 packages into the upgrae (all up to date) then segfaults |
| 20:19:49 | honeypea | yes: ? |
| 20:20:00 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 20:20:01 | Harlekin | honeypea: broken ipkg |
| 20:20:12 | honeypea | Harlekin: in the feed? |
| 20:20:15 | Harlekin | get the new one that just entered unstbale |
| 20:20:19 | Harlekin | 1 h ago |
| 20:20:27 | Harlekin | familar unstable feed |
| 20:20:28 | honeypea | sorry im lost: which new one |
| 20:20:32 | Harlekin | i guess youre on that |
| 20:20:35 | honeypea | oh, broken ipkg command? |
| 20:20:42 | honeypea | yes |
| 20:20:45 | Harlekin | since there was an ipkg upgrade 2 days ago |
| 20:20:52 | Harlekin | yes |
| 20:20:54 | Harlekin | that is very segfaulty |
| 20:20:54 | honeypea | so, you mean wget the ipgk .ipk? |
| 20:20:57 | Harlekin | new one is 2 h old |
| 20:21:00 | honeypea | and manually install it? |
| 20:21:26 | Harlekin | try if you can ipkg install ipkg |
| 20:21:31 | Harlekin | without segfault |
| 20:21:44 | honeypea | k, it worked |
| 20:21:56 | honeypea | thanks :) i'll tryu another update/grade |
| 20:22:57 | honeypea | thanks Harlekin - ok now |
| 20:24:22 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:24:39 | honeypea | wonders idly why ipkg upgrade doesnt upgrade ipkg first |
| 20:25:48 | ljp_work | that might be a recursive paradox thing |
| 20:32:45 | honeypea | ljp_work: it is a bit isnt it. its a palindrome, nearly |
| 20:33:50 | ljp_work | :) |
| 20:33:52 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 21:15:52 | pattieja | is back (gone 22:23:07) |
| 21:16:23 | pattieja | afternoon all |
| 21:18:46 | ljp_work | hi |
| 22:11:55 | pattieja | I changed the theme color and now it's stuck. I can't change it to anything else. And I'm using the liquid theme (I think) |
| 22:12:31 | ljp_work | select the style you want, and the click on 'select' and then apply |
| 22:12:41 | pattieja | oh |
| 22:12:57 | pattieja | I was clicking and then hitting apply |
| 22:13:08 | ljp_work | oohh.. ya.. I was wondering where he/ that app wnet. |
| 22:13:17 | ljp_work | what was his pissed at TT for? |
| 22:13:20 | ljp_work | whoops |
| 22:13:20 | pattieja | why does it work that way? |
| 22:14:13 | ljp_work | dont know.. kind of unintuitive tho |
| 22:14:53 | pattieja | definitely |
| 22:17:40 | ljp_work | apply should do it |
| 22:20:24 | Harlekin | that appreacnce app |
| 22:20:30 | Harlekin | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:20:40 | Harlekin | zecke fixed that ui hell out of there |
| 22:20:50 | Harlekin | but the maintainer reverted that patches |
| 22:21:15 | ljp_work | hmmm.. maybe there needs to be better communication, then |
| 22:21:52 | ljp_work | seems to be some strife between those two |
| 22:27:13 | sandman | No .. the problem is with Qt/E |
| 22:28:17 | sandman | Having QDialog aus a main win and sub-QDialog has some problems - I talked to drw what he could do about it, but no feedback yet |
| 22:29:27 | Harlekin | ? |
| 22:29:40 | Harlekin | about missleading ui arrangement |
| 22:29:42 | Harlekin | ? |
| 22:30:13 | sandman | No technical problems -- if you close a sub-dialog, the whole app exits |
| 22:30:34 | ljp_work | I thought that was fixed? |
| 22:31:06 | sandman | I said he should use QApplication::setMainWidget() on the main QDialog, but I got no feedback from him |
| 22:31:57 | sandman | Harlekin: BTW: no liquid screenshots on opie.info ! |
| 22:32:05 | Harlekin | i know |
| 22:32:09 | Harlekin | thats carstens task |
| 22:32:17 | Harlekin | he is doing screenshotpage |
| 22:32:21 | sandman | kick him |
| 22:32:26 | Harlekin | rest is me |
| 22:32:30 | Harlekin | sandman: how, out of reach |
| 22:32:33 | Harlekin | 500 km |
| 22:32:35 | ljp_work | kicks carsten |
| 22:32:43 | Harlekin | sandman: write him a mail |
| 22:32:45 | sandman | ljp_work: thanx |
| 22:32:59 | Harlekin | the screenshots are in ~ in a dir |
| 22:33:04 | Harlekin | on mabuse |
| 22:33:50 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 22:34:14 | sandman | Have catch some sleep .. |
| 22:34:16 | sandman | n8 |
| 22:34:23 | Harlekin | me too |
| 22:34:24 | Harlekin | sonn |
| 22:34:25 | Harlekin | n8 |
| 22:50:25 | Harlekin | n8 |
| 23:42:20 | Merlin83b | Oops. I broke Opie :-( |
| 23:42:22 | Merlin83b | Anyone around? |
| 23:48:09 | Merlin83b | Oh dear. |
| 23:58:17 | Merlin83b | Check the list folks - help me please! |