| 00:37:25 | drw- | ljp: so, I guess zecke didn't like my changes to appearance? |
| 00:38:42 | ljp | hmmm what changes was that? I know he did something.. |
| 00:39:43 | ljp | I saw the cvs log email that said.. "made it less confusing for my girlfriend" or something like that |
| 00:40:32 | drw- | took out the launcher icon text/background color selection, the option to use/not use background image...stuff I added this weekend |
| 00:41:05 | drw- | and other stuff w/appearance |
| 00:41:53 | drw- | back to segfaulting when canceling the dialog boxes |
| 00:42:31 | drw- | sorry, just frustrated...didn't know he was going do take that all out |
| 00:42:34 | ljp | hmmm.. maybe he didn't do an update before |
| 00:43:20 | ljp | ya I'd be pissed if someone did that to some of my code |
| 00:43:55 | ljp | did he take out stuff or add stuff also? |
| 00:44:05 | drw- | took out |
| 00:44:30 | drw- | minor point too...took my name/address out of the comments too |
| 00:44:31 | ljp | put it back in |
| 00:44:46 | ljp | hmmm ouch.. thats not good at all |
| 00:45:02 | ljp | you own the copyright to the code you wrote |
| 00:45:27 | drw- | I e-mailed him...will see if he responds with why it wasn't user friendly |
| 00:45:38 | ljp | I would just put it back... |
| 00:46:12 | noriko | i have the screenshit applet installed |
| 00:46:15 | noriko | how do i use it? |
| 00:46:31 | ljp | screenshit applet? we dont have a screenshit applet |
| 00:46:43 | drw- | noriko: click on the little camera icon on the taskbar |
| 00:46:50 | drw- | ljp: hehehe |
| 00:47:37 | ljp | drw: I would copy your code to another dir, cvs up and then copy back and do a cvs commit |
| 00:47:37 | noriko | i dont have a camera button |
| 00:48:00 | ljp | norkio: you might have to restart opie to see it |
| 00:48:09 | noriko | how do i restart opie? |
| 00:48:15 | noriko | without restarting linux |
| 00:48:17 | drw- | ljp: yeah, saved it off before downloading new version |
| 00:48:42 | drw- | noriko: on settings tab, shutdown icon, restart opie |
| 00:48:42 | ljp | go to settings.. Shutdown.. and select restart opie button |
| 00:49:12 | noriko | ok |
| 00:49:31 | ljp | drw: thats completely uncool that he took out your copyright notice.. even if it was just name and email |
| 00:49:31 | noriko | and where is the screenshot saved? |
| 00:49:43 | ljp | Documents/images/png |
| 00:50:56 | ljp | drw: whether it was intentional or not is a different story.. |
| 00:51:15 | drw- | ljp: true |
| 00:51:56 | spiralman | fucking isp |
| 00:53:56 | noriko | thanks |
| 00:56:15 | gonz | spiralman: hi ! |
| 00:56:27 | gonz | spiralman: google knows opie-sh ;) |
| 01:00:38 | drw- | ljp: added back in |
| 01:03:20 | ljp | if he really didnt like that stuff he could have made it a config option |
| 01:04:59 | ljp | drw: are you subscribed to the opie cvs log mailing list? |
| 01:05:56 | drw- | ljp: yeah...otherwise wouldn't have known |
| 01:05:58 | noriko | is away [autogone:10/l:on] |
| 01:07:59 | spiralman | later guys |
| 01:08:16 | spiralman | is away: out |
| 01:10:37 | drw- | ljp (or anyone): let me know if there are any problems with appearance |
| 01:11:22 | ljp | ok.. i'll update and check it out |
| 01:12:05 | drw- | have to go for now... |
| 01:12:14 | drw- | ljp: thanks for the support |
| 01:12:29 | drw- | until later |
| 01:12:40 | ljp | sure! |
| 01:19:40 | noriko | whats opie stand for? |
| 01:20:31 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. |
| 01:20:31 | ljp | ibot: opie |
| 01:21:11 | noriko | thanks |
| 01:52:01 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 03:35:34 | Morn | is away: sleeping |
| 04:06:14 | spiralman | fucking isp |
| 04:06:32 | spiralman | the whole net access was down for the entire city for 20 hours |
| 04:06:53 | spiralman | it comes up, im gone for a couple hours, get back, and its down again.. |
| 04:07:06 | spiralman | well, for the city using this isp anywya |
| 05:34:00 | spiralman | night all |
| 06:34:11 | noriko | is back [TE/gone: 5.470556h28m14s] |
| 06:46:42 | CraHan_work | morning |
| 07:01:24 | Harlekin | re |
| 07:48:44 | Groucho | Hi there |
| 07:58:54 | Harlekin_ | tux_mike|server: please look at bugzilla .-) |
| 08:13:09 | | spiralman was last seen on #handhelds.org 2 hours, 39 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: night all [Wed May 22 06:34:04 2002] |
| 08:13:09 | mark | ibot: seen spiralman |
| 08:41:09 | Groucho | brb |
| 08:41:40 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 08:41:54 | Harlekin | spiralman should get into the bugfixing department |
| 08:42:04 | Harlekin | mark: a lot of work, especially in addressbook |
| 08:48:49 | Groucho | re |
| 09:06:19 | mark | Harlekin: yeh |
| 09:06:28 | mark | tkcAddressbook looks nice as well :) |
| 09:06:49 | Harlekin | ? |
| 09:07:58 | Harlekin | mark: you want to do some merging work? |
| 09:08:00 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 09:08:25 | mark | ljp needs to do some cloning work.... |
| 09:08:35 | Harlekin | ? |
| 09:08:36 | Groucho | Harlekin: :-) |
| 09:08:54 | Harlekin | mark: why |
| 09:09:18 | | Groucho: what? |
| 09:09:18 | Groucho | ibot: msg to carsten: Release date approaching, please fix i18n issues |
| 09:09:23 | mark | Harlekin: they have nice featuers we don't..... |
| 09:09:25 | Groucho | arrgh |
| 09:09:27 | mark | Groucho: s/msg/message |
| 09:09:29 | Groucho | ibot: help |
| 09:09:30 | mark | s/to/for |
| 09:09:52 | | Groucho: i'm not following you... |
| 09:09:52 | Groucho | ibot: msg for carsten: Release date approaching, please fix i18n issues |
| 09:10:00 | Groucho | mark: :-) |
| 09:10:54 | Groucho | ibot: message for carsten: Release date approaching, please fix i18n issues |
| 09:10:59 | Groucho | hehe |
| 09:11:04 | mark | wow, sourceforge has just got prettier |
| 09:12:50 | Harlekin | ? |
| 09:13:47 | Harlekin | not really |
| 09:14:11 | CraHan_work | i hope the oipkg issues will be sorted out before the final release |
| 09:14:19 | CraHan_work | since for me it doesn' |
| 09:14:24 | CraHan_work | t work at all :) |
| 09:14:40 | Groucho | CraHan_work: for most others, too :-) |
| 09:14:40 | Harlekin | CraHan_work: report bugs |
| 09:14:44 | CraHan_work | did it |
| 09:14:49 | Harlekin | CraHan_work: bugzilla? |
| 09:14:51 | CraHan_work | added a bug fir ape2uschedule |
| 09:14:52 | Groucho | CraHan_work: When ? |
| 09:14:56 | CraHan_work | yesterday |
| 09:14:59 | CraHan_work | and one for oipkg |
| 09:15:03 | Groucho | Ah, ok. |
| 09:15:07 | Groucho | Very good... |
| 09:15:13 | CraHan_work | i hope it's useful |
| 09:15:42 | CraHan_work | i pinpointed the problem to the ipkg command being issued twice |
| 09:20:32 | mark | Harlekin: what do you think abo ut creating a page as a showcase for our apps? opie.handhelds.org/apps for example |
| 09:22:03 | Harlekin | mark: carsten planed something like that |
| 09:22:20 | Harlekin | mark: maybe we need a new maintainer for opie.hh.org |
| 09:22:30 | Harlekin | mark: bipolar is not to active right now |
| 09:23:05 | mark | Harlekin: hmm, yeh |
| 09:26:01 | Harlekin | hi tille |
| 09:45:45 | Groucho | Hmm, what is the qcop call to execute an application ? |
| 09:45:53 | Groucho | from a konsole ... |
| 09:47:33 | tille | qcop QPE/System "execute(QString)" ... |
| 09:50:41 | Groucho | Merci |
| 09:50:59 | tille | de rien |
| 09:51:05 | Groucho | :-) |
| 09:52:01 | tille | whats the matter with bugzilla@handhelds ? |
| 09:52:11 | Groucho | disk full ... |
| 09:52:17 | tille | lol |
| 09:52:27 | tille | all opie bugs? |
| 09:52:48 | Groucho | I hope that there will be all ... |
| 09:54:12 | Groucho | Hmmm, the qcop call does not seem to be in the appropriate format... Tried the following : |
| 09:54:39 | Groucho | "/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop QPE/System "execute(/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/addressbook)"" |
| 09:55:02 | tille | try: |
| 09:55:34 | tille | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop QPE/System "execute(QString)" addressbook |
| 09:56:06 | Groucho | Ah, there we go ... |
| 09:56:40 | Groucho | Shoot, still no output ... |
| 09:59:42 | tille | could the redirects in /etc/init.d/qpe be a problem? |
| 10:03:15 | Groucho | Propably, yes. Good hint :-) |
| 10:12:04 | Groucho | Nope- does not matter anyway currently :-) |
| 10:13:33 | tille | Groucho: why do you want to start adressbook by a qcop call? |
| 10:13:59 | | Groucho: what? |
| 10:13:59 | Groucho | ibot: msg for carsten: Addressbuch Lokalisierung komplett unvollständig. Sollte unbedingt gefixt werden. |
| 10:14:07 | Groucho | ibot: message for carsten: Addressbuch Lokalisierung komplett unvollständig. Sollte unbedingt gefixt werden. |
| 10:14:22 | tille | you'll get the output if you start it normaly from the shel |
| 10:14:31 | Groucho | tille: To start addressbook under localized conditions. |
| 10:14:42 | Groucho | If I start it from the shell I get the english version. |
| 10:14:50 | tille | hmm |
| 10:30:32 | tille | Groucho: in /etc/init.d/qpe $OPIEDIR/bin/qpe > /tmp/log 2>&1 & |
| 10:30:44 | tille | then you can tail -f /tmp/log |
| 11:33:18 | carsten | is away: essen |
| 11:35:19 | Groucho | is away: food hunting |
| 12:10:36 | carsten | is back (gone 00:37:17) |
| 12:16:21 | Harlekin | tr |
| 12:16:26 | Harlekin | re |
| 12:16:31 | Groucho | wb |
| 12:18:00 | ljp | anyone awake here? |
| 12:18:09 | Groucho | *yawn* |
| 12:18:29 | Harlekin | kind of |
| 12:18:39 | ljp | hehe |
| 12:19:07 | ljp | I can't cvs up on two machines due to 'no space left' |
| 12:19:19 | Groucho | Ask handhelds ;-) |
| 12:19:31 | Groucho | handhelds.org |
| 12:19:47 | ljp | heh... I wanted to confirm this first |
| 12:19:55 | Harlekin | yes |
| 12:19:58 | Harlekin | hh.org problem |
| 12:19:59 | Groucho | confirms |
| 12:20:06 | ljp | ok.. thanks |
| 12:20:12 | Harlekin | write nick a mail |
| 12:20:34 | Groucho | Or write a nick mail :-) |
| 12:21:52 | ljp | hmmm... mabe I'll just write nick an email |
| 12:31:02 | Groucho | Shoot: http://www.opie.net/ |
| 12:32:04 | ljp | nick@handhelds.org bounced |
| 12:32:30 | ljp | hmm German Zaurus portal... |
| 12:32:56 | Harlekin | ljp: ? |
| 12:33:24 | ljp | maillist from Sharp Electronics (Europe) GmbH |
| 12:34:55 | ljp | I guess one of you native German speakers canhandle that, eh? ;) |
| 12:35:13 | Groucho | Right- already thinking about that contact... |
| 12:35:44 | Harlekin | LOL |
| 12:35:46 | Harlekin | @ ML |
| 12:36:02 | Groucho | He thought that opie is a person :-) |
| 12:36:10 | Groucho | I think I will phone him later ... |
| 12:36:11 | ljp | tell him, "sure you can use addressbook, if you send us some 5500g's |
| 12:36:19 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 12:36:25 | Harlekin | ljp: sharp germany is POOR |
| 12:36:28 | Harlekin | real POOR |
| 12:36:31 | Groucho | Yep - good idea ... Some demo devices for LinuxTag |
| 12:36:31 | Harlekin | no money at all |
| 12:36:58 | ljp | hmm.. but Sharp japan is parent co... |
| 12:37:22 | ljp | ooo he wants embeddedkonsole also.. ;) |
| 12:37:39 | Harlekin | ljp: i guess he emails all apps on myzaurus.com |
| 12:38:00 | ljp | 'you can use our software, if you send us one 5500g for each app uploaded' |
| 12:38:19 | ljp | hmmmm... interesting |
| 12:38:47 | ljp | soo.. this Hans guy is some kind of script? |
| 12:38:48 | Groucho | Just let me finish my pizza, then I'll give him a call |
| 12:39:10 | ljp | haha Groucho is going to call a script |
| 12:39:24 | Groucho | The "script" got a phone number |
| 12:39:53 | Groucho | If at all, I'd phone his clipboard |
| 12:40:04 | ljp | hehehe.. 'if you want to talk to someone.. press 1, if you want to order something, press2' |
| 12:40:19 | Groucho | I buy an `A` |
| 12:41:26 | Harlekin | lol |
| 12:41:31 | Harlekin | kcheckers now |
| 12:41:36 | Harlekin | call him quick |
| 12:41:48 | Groucho | chews his last pieces of pizza |
| 12:41:50 | Harlekin | before he spams more on our ml |
| 12:42:19 | ljp | there's only 5 or 6 at myzaurus |
| 12:42:26 | Groucho | wonders whether he would like to receive a phone call saying "Hi, I call you `Quick`" |
| 12:43:44 | Harlekin | ljp: hey, you steped out off bed with "funny foot" in front, right? |
| 12:44:01 | ljp | always doo.. well usually anyway |
| 12:44:36 | ljp | yyaaaaa. they want opie-clock also! |
| 12:45:15 | Harlekin | tr("Helden") |
| 12:45:32 | Harlekin | opieftp |
| 12:45:35 | Groucho | This guy propably operates under Windows as he extensively uses the clipboard |
| 12:46:09 | Groucho | Are there any talks between Sharp and OPIE regarding its integration and Qtopia replacement ? |
| 12:46:23 | CraHan_work | djeezus |
| 12:46:26 | CraHan_work | lol |
| 12:46:39 | CraHan_work | sghouldn't they say what they don't want? |
| 12:46:40 | Harlekin | Groucho: i think sharp QA would ripp us apart |
| 12:46:46 | CraHan_work | might be faster :) |
| 12:47:02 | Groucho | Hmmm, I thought there was the idea behind that... |
| 12:48:03 | Harlekin | Groucho: zaurus de has a section like myzaurus.con |
| 12:48:07 | Harlekin | but without apps in there yet |
| 12:48:10 | Groucho | is phoning |
| 12:48:15 | CraHan_work | hehe |
| 12:48:18 | CraHan_work | fun fun |
| 12:48:22 | ljp | maybe in the next version of Zaurus, openzaurus will replace it |
| 12:48:37 | Harlekin | ljp: hm, but then we really should get busy |
| 12:50:03 | Harlekin | parashot, textedit, screenshotappelt |
| 12:50:11 | ljp | well, Jason is pushing for that anyway.. and the management is keeping tabs on oz |
| 12:52:12 | ljp | and who knows.. maybe they'll even hire a few of us... |
| 12:52:49 | ljp | Groucho: if/when you talk to him.. speak for all opie apps there, please |
| 12:54:40 | Harlekin | cvs back |
| 12:55:16 | ljp | kool |
| 12:57:11 | Groucho | I have phoned him ... |
| 12:57:20 | Harlekin | and? |
| 12:57:26 | Harlekin | thats why the spam stopped |
| 12:57:27 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 12:57:29 | Groucho | He is a sales man who has been delegated to ask for apps. |
| 12:57:47 | VerxHome | howdy everyone! |
| 12:58:00 | Harlekin | Xelent |
| 12:58:01 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 12:58:09 | Groucho | There are other Sharp people around at LT to which he opens me access. |
| 12:58:14 | VerxHome | well |
| 12:58:20 | VerxHome | today I am gonna release some software |
| 12:58:27 | VerxHome | it is gonna make some people VERY happy |
| 12:58:35 | Groucho | Is there a problem replacing Qtopia addressbook with the opie one ? |
| 12:58:37 | VerxHome | and prolly upset some other people |
| 12:58:40 | VerxHome | but oh well |
| 12:59:13 | ljp | what software? tkc clones? |
| 12:59:19 | ljp | Groucho: shouldnt be |
| 12:59:40 | VerxHome | well, I got the compaq microkeyboard to work flawlessly in opie |
| 12:59:43 | VerxHome | every single key |
| 13:00:00 | VerxHome | Andrew Christian thinks the method I used shouldn't have been done |
| 13:00:13 | ljp | ooooo.. your keyboard thingy |
| 13:00:21 | VerxHome | but if I hadn't done it, I would be waiting on Trolltech to fix things |
| 13:00:23 | VerxHome | but |
| 13:00:33 | VerxHome | once I finished the driver, I decided to go a bit further |
| 13:00:50 | ljp | bbiab |
| 13:00:51 | VerxHome | so I rewrote the microkeyboard driver to flip all the cursor keys around for the 3850 |
| 13:00:59 | VerxHome | so up is -*UP*- |
| 13:01:03 | VerxHome | and down is -*DOWN*-! |
| 13:01:06 | VerxHome | :))) |
| 13:01:24 | Groucho | VerxHome: And who will get upset ? |
| 13:01:24 | VerxHome | next I am gonna try to find the schtuff in the kernel that maps the joypad buttons |
| 13:01:30 | VerxHome | and reverse them for the 3850 |
| 13:01:38 | VerxHome | Groucho: Looks like Andrew will |
| 13:01:42 | VerxHome | he is s very nice guy |
| 13:02:01 | VerxHome | but I think he considers anything but the "right, proper" solution to be a bad thing (tm) |
| 13:02:38 | VerxHome | I wanna see if I can trap some stuff like function+shift+keypress in the driver |
| 13:02:56 | VerxHome | so I can effectively add like another 35 or so chars |
| 13:03:40 | VerxHome | cuz the base keyboard functionality (even in winCE) is missing chars like: { } [ ] < > | \ _ ~ |
| 13:03:48 | VerxHome | and those are some pretty damned useful characters |
| 13:03:58 | VerxHome | hrm, it is also missing # ^ & |
| 13:34:19 | Groucho | Can anyone tell me my /top/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe is sucking almost 98% of CPU time ? |
| 13:34:42 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 13:35:29 | Groucho | Damn, between 99.9 and 95.4% consistently |
| 13:36:10 | ljp | hmmm |
| 13:42:27 | Groucho | CVS is up again ... |
| 13:43:54 | Groucho | Ah, my clock had a missetting- 1904, strange. Now qpe is on 65% |
| 13:46:53 | ljp | heh 1904, eh.. thats quantum time for ya |
| 13:50:39 | Groucho | Yes, it means that I have finished my todos before I even started. |
| 14:00:01 | Groucho | This Sharp guy is a real sales man- he now thinks my company is responsible for OPIE |
| 14:00:10 | Groucho | I never said that. |
| 14:00:35 | Groucho | Nor did I move him in this direction |
| 14:01:08 | Groucho | Anyway, I will follow this any further so we might get some demonstration devices. Chances are not so bad |
| 14:01:29 | Harlekin | Groucho: why |
| 14:01:33 | ljp | hehehe cool.. your co, eh? Opie, LLC |
| 14:01:43 | Groucho | Harlekin Why what ? |
| 14:02:12 | Harlekin | he now thinks my company is responsible for |
| 14:02:12 | Harlekin | OPIE |
| 14:02:16 | ljp | heh Groucho: CTO Opie, LLC |
| 14:03:09 | ljp | Groucho: can I have a raise? |
| 14:04:15 | Groucho | Harlekin: I had to discuss another issue with him, which concerned potential partnerships an dI believe he totally mixed it up, though I separated both topics |
| 14:04:28 | Harlekin | eheh |
| 14:04:39 | Groucho | ljp: I never promoted you on this seat :) |
| 14:04:54 | Harlekin | ljp: think we should have a tr("streik") |
| 14:05:13 | Groucho | In this case forget about opie 1.0 in time ;-) |
| 14:05:18 | Groucho | or even 0.9 |
| 14:06:13 | Groucho | I have even sent him two differen mails- one with OPIE topics and the other with my business issues... |
| 14:06:17 | Groucho | shakes head |
| 14:06:43 | pattieja | is away: iTEC |
| 14:09:36 | kergoth | re |
| 14:10:07 | Verxion | howdy kergoth |
| 14:10:33 | kergoth | hows it goin? |
| 14:10:41 | Harlekin | kergoth: new feed? |
| 14:10:48 | Verxion | pretty decent |
| 14:10:48 | Harlekin | kergoth: some build deamon maybe |
| 14:10:58 | Harlekin | kergoth: for a nightly feed builds |
| 14:11:30 | kergoth | Can we find an existing build daemon? or should I throw something together? |
| 14:11:53 | Harlekin | 20 lines of perl code maybe |
| 14:11:59 | Harlekin | opie only |
| 14:12:00 | Harlekin | without qt |
| 14:12:11 | kergoth | ah |
| 14:12:12 | kergoth | cool |
| 14:12:16 | Harlekin | or bash script |
| 14:12:31 | Harlekin | its jsut the 15 steps you would normally do by hand |
| 14:12:36 | Harlekin | incl cleanup |
| 14:12:48 | kergoth | and proper failout if the build no longer compiles. |
| 14:13:37 | Harlekin | yes |
| 14:13:42 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 14:13:42 | Harlekin | maybe some more lines |
| 14:13:48 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 14:13:56 | Harlekin | and the whole thing as seperate feed |
| 14:13:56 | kergoth | still not too bad though. |
| 14:14:13 | Harlekin | the 18n stuff is hard to handle |
| 14:14:14 | kergoth | yes, an unstable feed from cvs.. course we dont have a stable one yet, but we will |
| 14:14:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:14:20 | Harlekin | best is to do a make lupdate |
| 14:14:23 | Harlekin | make lrelease |
| 14:14:26 | Harlekin | and after build |
| 14:14:28 | Harlekin | rm i18n |
| 14:14:32 | Harlekin | and reco |
| 14:17:29 | Harlekin | short away |
| 14:17:31 | Harlekin | 10 min |
| 14:25:12 | Verxion | ok |
| 14:25:16 | Verxion | damn, sucks when I work from home |
| 14:25:21 | Verxion | sometimes I have to do work for work |
| 14:25:26 | Verxion | instead of all what I want to do |
| 14:25:27 | Verxion | :)) |
| 14:25:54 | Verxion | hrm |
| 14:25:57 | Verxion | I need to join #Familiar |
| 14:27:28 | Verxion | on the off chance someone might know the answer |
| 14:27:46 | Verxion | anyone here know where in the kernel source the keysyms for the ipaq joypad are defined? |
| 14:30:05 | Verxion | howdy spiralman |
| 14:30:17 | Verxion | do you do any kernel hacking? |
| 14:30:22 | Verxion | (I couldn't remember) |
| 14:30:42 | spiralman | hey |
| 14:30:45 | spiralman | no, i dont : ( |
| 14:31:27 | HrAbbey | Is the network wizard for opie pretty identical with the TTech standard? |
| 14:31:48 | spiralman | umm, i think somebody started working on upgrading it |
| 14:31:56 | kergoth | are you referring to the version on the sharp roms, or the version in trolltech cvs? |
| 14:32:03 | kergoth | they're quite different. |
| 14:32:03 | HrAbbey | Sharp Roms. |
| 14:32:19 | kergoth | numerous changes to the source in the sharp roms. |
| 14:32:34 | kergoth | they havent released the code, so trolltech's and opie's is lacking features in comparison. |
| 14:32:34 | HrAbbey | Ah. Alas. I won't bother trying to write up how to add the ppp over usb in the gui then. |
| 14:32:53 | HrAbbey | It doesn't look too hard on the Sharp rom... |
| 14:32:55 | spiralman | ppp over usb? why? |
| 14:33:27 | HrAbbey | Talking in #zaurus, I figured out that I might be able to use the gui to connect via ppp in the cradle. |
| 14:33:38 | HrAbbey | instead of using the cmd line. |
| 14:34:27 | Harlekin | via usb you have usbnetwork |
| 14:34:29 | Harlekin | not ppp |
| 14:34:49 | Harlekin | kergoth: how about opening another cvs branch |
| 14:35:02 | Harlekin | kergoth: for apps that are not yet in and are on hold due to the freeze |
| 14:35:27 | spiralman | also, a nonbeta feed would have been nice for porting knights... |
| 14:35:45 | spiralman | as it was, mark ended up doing it all on his own, cause it was too hard for us to share stuff... |
| 14:36:03 | spiralman | well, and my isp was down for 20 hours straight yesterday... |
| 14:37:16 | Harlekin | spiralman: thats what i ment |
| 14:37:23 | Harlekin | kergoth: opie-nonbeta |
| 14:37:26 | spiralman | Harlekin: ok, cool |
| 14:39:55 | Groucho | Guess who is guilt of doing this: |
| 14:39:56 | Groucho | fileBrowser.cpp: In method `fileBrowser::fileBrowser(QWidget * = 0, const char * = 0, bool = FALSE, unsigned int = 0, QString = 0)': |
| 14:39:57 | Groucho | fileBrowser.cpp:72: `mt' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 14:40:23 | Groucho | I know who it is but I give him time to uncover :-) |
| 14:41:52 | Groucho | starts pointing at ljp |
| 14:42:25 | ljp | ok.. just checking to see if anyone compiles it... |
| 14:42:34 | Harlekin | Groucho: last log was from kergoth |
| 14:42:43 | Groucho | ljp: Get ready for the next one ... |
| 14:43:11 | Groucho | Harlekin: cvs log reports different things... |
| 14:43:31 | Harlekin | cvslastlog |
| 14:44:18 | mark_ | ljp: kergoth's web site please :P |
| 14:44:28 | sandman | re |
| 14:44:34 | ljp | web site? |
| 14:44:40 | mark_ | ljp: download for oz3 |
| 14:44:53 | sandman | Harlekin: Any news about opie shirts ? |
| 14:44:55 | ljp | the latest is at sf now |
| 14:45:02 | mark_ | initrd-beta10.bin? |
| 14:45:07 | ljp | yep |
| 14:45:15 | mark_ | strange its got a 29th March date on it |
| 14:45:22 | ljp | hmm |
| 14:45:34 | mark_ | maybe thats just my warped clock |
| 14:45:36 | mark_ | ok, cheers |
| 14:45:50 | Harlekin | sandman: yes |
| 14:45:52 | ljp | http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/ |
| 14:46:17 | Harlekin | sandman: opie.de |
| 14:46:29 | sandman | Harlekin: ok |
| 14:46:36 | mark_ | spiralman: u about? |
| 14:47:39 | Groucho | sandman: Any idea regarding xpdf 1.01 ? |
| 14:48:14 | spiralman | mark_: hey |
| 14:48:44 | spiralman | mark_: got your message yesterday. very cool... |
| 14:48:50 | Groucho | lpj: What the heck is sound.g ? |
| 14:48:54 | Groucho | And where ? |
| 14:49:05 | Harlekin | sound.g? |
| 14:49:06 | Harlekin | g? |
| 14:49:12 | Verxion | howdy everyone |
| 14:49:14 | spiralman | mark_: i found out that the images in the theme need to be 30x30, so ill probably make some soon... |
| 14:49:18 | Groucho | Harlekin: Right... |
| 14:49:19 | Verxion | it is buzzing in here this morning |
| 14:49:19 | Verxion | :) |
| 14:49:58 | Groucho | It's a typo ... |
| 14:50:26 | zekce | hi |
| 14:50:30 | Verxion | anyone here know where in the kernel the ipaq joypad button keysyms are defined? |
| 14:50:48 | Harlekin | Verxion: why |
| 14:50:54 | Groucho | ljp: Typo in custom-ipaq.h - sould be qsound.h, not qsound.g |
| 14:51:00 | Groucho | s/sould/should |
| 14:51:03 | Harlekin | Verxion: please tell me that you do not want to rotate it for 38xx in kernel |
| 14:51:19 | ljp | hehehe ok |
| 14:51:41 | Morn | is back (gone 11:16:08) |
| 14:51:55 | Verxion | harlekin: Ok, I won't tell you |
| 14:52:06 | ljp | Groucho: not sure if qsound will work there or not.. |
| 14:52:07 | Verxion | but I still need to know where they are defined |
| 14:52:19 | Harlekin | Verxion: DONT do it |
| 14:52:21 | Groucho | ljp: At least it will compile ... |
| 14:52:26 | Verxion | Harlekin: Lord man |
| 14:52:49 | Harlekin | Verxion: andrew will kill you twice |
| 14:52:49 | Verxion | people want things fixed "right" |
| 14:52:54 | Harlekin | Verxion: its a opie bug |
| 14:52:55 | Verxion | they don't fix them |
| 14:53:04 | Harlekin | Verxion: not a kernel bug |
| 14:53:07 | Verxion | but they want to tell other people how to fix them |
| 14:53:17 | Groucho | ljp: Next one... |
| 14:53:18 | Verxion | Harlekin: I want a solution -*NOW*- |
| 14:53:18 | Harlekin | Verxion: since when you rotate screen in opie, it also rotated keys |
| 14:53:21 | Harlekin | which makes sense |
| 14:53:22 | Groucho | ljp: custom-ipaq.h:648: parse error before `{' |
| 14:53:53 | Harlekin | Verxion: so fix it in ooie |
| 14:53:53 | Harlekin | Verxion: opie |
| 14:54:01 | Verxion | Harlekin: it makes sense. I rotated the keys in the keyboard driver |
| 14:54:02 | Verxion | so the keyboard is now aimed correctly |
| 14:54:35 | Harlekin | Verxion: no, fix it in opie |
| 14:54:35 | Verxion | Harlekin: I talked with Andrew |
| 14:54:36 | Verxion | the solution isn't opie |
| 14:54:36 | Verxion | it is Qt |
| 14:54:36 | Verxion | and Qt is currently WAY out of my league |
| 14:54:47 | ljp | Groucho: as I dont have an ipaq and can't test that-- could you? |
| 14:54:49 | Harlekin | Verxion: so its possible to rotate keys and screen independend |
| 14:54:49 | Verxion | christ |
| 14:54:53 | Verxion | how can I fix it in opie? |
| 14:54:55 | Harlekin | Verxion: patch goes to TT |
| 14:55:46 | Harlekin | Verxion: reimplement it in libopie |
| 14:55:46 | Verxion | besides |
| 14:55:47 | Groucho | ljp: Yes |
| 14:55:47 | mark_ | brb |
| 14:56:00 | Verxion | maybe if I fix this stuff in the compaq microkeyboard and the kernel |
| 14:56:00 | Verxion | Andrew will fix opie/Qt more quickly |
| 14:56:00 | Verxion | to prevent people from wanting my solution |
| 14:56:00 | Verxion | :) |
| 14:56:00 | ljp | Groucho: that mainly goes off of whats in custom-sharp.h |
| 14:57:10 | Groucho | ljp: Yes, but it does not compile |
| 14:58:31 | Harlekin | appearance app need major fixes |
| 14:58:31 | mark | + |
| 14:58:33 | Harlekin | wheres drw |
| 14:58:34 | mark | spiralman: they do? Harlekin did some work on the images for me to remove alpha transparency |
| 14:58:50 | Harlekin | mark: whats wrong? |
| 14:58:54 | Groucho | Hmm, haven't gone through the settings apps yet- need to check the mediaplayer ... |
| 14:59:08 | mark | Harlekin: nothing, spiralman just said they need to be 30x30, but I dont understand it |
| 14:59:26 | Harlekin | mark: the once you send me where 25x25 |
| 14:59:38 | spiralman | mark: well, if they are 30x30, then they take up the exact size of the screen |
| 14:59:47 | spiralman | Harlekin: yeah, i just shrunk those down... |
| 15:00:07 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 15:00:24 | spiralman | mark: i think you accidentally calculated w/ the screen with a width of 200, not 240 |
| 15:00:36 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 15:00:44 | Harlekin | so blow them up to 30x30 |
| 15:01:03 | mark | spiralman: the size is a variable - you can change it in options and the images get converted on the fly to the right size |
| 15:01:12 | spiralman | actually, if you set themeSize to 30, knights will scale them for you... |
| 15:01:18 | mark | yeh, exactly |
| 15:01:25 | mark | i'll set that to be the def ault |
| 15:01:26 | spiralman | but they will look better if they are the correct size or larger |
| 15:01:42 | spiralman | not smaller |
| 15:02:00 | spiralman | Harlekin: how did you make them not transparent? |
| 15:02:07 | spiralman | Harlekin: while still looking correct? |
| 15:02:22 | mark | spiralman: they have masked transparency rather than alpha channel stu ff |
| 15:02:26 | Harlekin | sandman: they are transparent |
| 15:02:27 | spiralman | ahh, ok |
| 15:02:34 | spiralman | i get it |
| 15:02:50 | spiralman | mark: if you use a qimage to draw them, the alpha channel should work, btw |
| 15:03:00 | spiralman | mark: then they can also be antialiased... |
| 15:03:57 | spiralman | not sure though, i havent looked at them closely |
| 15:04:01 | mark | spiralman: feel feel to change it. you should have my code |
| 15:04:06 | spiralman | yeah, i do |
| 15:04:11 | mark | latest version? |
| 15:04:14 | spiralman | no |
| 15:04:20 | spiralman | two days old now... |
| 15:04:23 | mark | old :) |
| 15:04:34 | spiralman | my isp was down all day yesterday : ( |
| 15:05:53 | spiralman | feel free to send me the new code... |
| 15:05:58 | mark | 30 is a tiny bit too big isn't it? |
| 15:06:13 | spiralman | 30mb? |
| 15:06:18 | mark | 30 pixels :) |
| 15:06:26 | spiralman | no, it shouldnt be... |
| 15:06:35 | mark | hmm, 29 looks better here |
| 15:06:37 | spiralman | windows dont have borders in qt/e |
| 15:07:00 | Harlekin | ljp: what are all the \ in the file |
| 15:07:37 | Harlekin | ljp: compiles here now |
| 15:07:46 | Groucho | Does not here ... |
| 15:07:49 | Harlekin | arg |
| 15:07:50 | Harlekin | no |
| 15:07:56 | Groucho | *g* |
| 15:08:35 | mark | spiralman: its too tall also at 29 |
| 15:08:39 | ljp | Harlekin: just followed custom-sharp.h |
| 15:08:49 | mark | spiralman: goes under the taskbar |
| 15:08:54 | spiralman | mark: too tall? how? you have 320 pixels that way... |
| 15:09:05 | mark | spiralman: status bar and the like |
| 15:10:03 | mark | shame we have no right mouse button |
| 15:10:04 | spiralman | mark: hmm, could make that smaller... |
| 15:10:06 | spiralman | yeah... |
| 15:10:21 | mark | maybe we could make click and hold do the same thing |
| 15:10:33 | spiralman | yeah, thats the normal way of doing it... |
| 15:10:40 | Harlekin | #define CUSTOM_SOUND_ALARM <-?? |
| 15:10:56 | spiralman | what is up w/ this root vs root thing on the bottom? that is waaaay to big... |
| 15:11:18 | mark | spiralman: when you have multiple games going you need it there |
| 15:11:21 | mark | i'll send you new source |
| 15:11:23 | spiralman | mark: ok |
| 15:11:31 | spiralman | mark: does it include the new images? |
| 15:11:35 | mark | spiralman: no |
| 15:11:42 | spiralman | mark: ok, where can i get those? |
| 15:11:45 | Verxion | ok |
| 15:11:46 | ljp | Harlekin: that function needs to be that |
| 15:11:53 | mark | spiralman: you hack into my computer and steal them :) |
| 15:11:56 | Verxion | could someone help me get the opie source? |
| 15:12:02 | ljp | Harlekin: look in desktop.h |
| 15:12:02 | Verxion | how do I grab it all out of CVS? |
| 15:12:03 | spiralman | mark: hehe, ok |
| 15:12:08 | ljp | err desktop.cpp |
| 15:12:49 | Harlekin | ljp: k, found it |
| 15:14:18 | mark | Verxion: instructions on our webpage |
| 15:14:26 | mark | spiralman: www.houseoffish.org/media.tar.gz (still uploading), www.houseoffish.org/knights.tar.gz |
| 15:15:21 | spiralman | mark: cool... |
| 15:15:51 | Verxion | anyone here familiar with the rxvt capability to make a console message session? |
| 15:16:08 | Verxion | like where it grabs all the console messages and displays them in an rxvt? |
| 15:16:17 | mark | spiralman: good luck, you can take it over from here |
| 15:16:30 | spiralman | mark: ok... |
| 15:16:48 | spiralman | is the media tar.gz finnished uploading? |
| 15:17:04 | mark | yes |
| 15:17:09 | spiralman | k |
| 15:17:27 | mark | spiralman: bugs - 1) engine not shut down when quitting 2) only one engine supported 3) loading saving games not working (link to libopie for dialogs) |
| 15:17:35 | spiralman | ok |
| 15:17:59 | Harlekin | spiralman: if you have enegie left, take a look at hh.org bugzilla |
| 15:18:03 | mark | spiralman: look in engineio.cpp for bug 2, bug 1 is caused by a signal/slot not connecting |
| 15:18:03 | Groucho | heard the word "bugs" and strictly points to bugzilla |
| 15:18:08 | Harlekin | spiralman: and kill some of those |
| 15:18:31 | mark | spiralman: have fun with it. i have ;) |
| 15:18:54 | spiralman | mark: ok |
| 15:19:12 | spiralman | Harlekin: yeah, i know i need to help fix that stuff... |
| 15:21:11 | spiralman | mark: ack, your clock is screwed up... |
| 15:21:32 | Verxion | ok, grabbing all opie source |
| 15:21:33 | Verxion | god help me |
| 15:21:48 | | rumour has it feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 15:21:48 | ljp | ibot: feeds |
| 15:21:53 | Harlekin | ljp: ::open <- ?? |
| 15:21:58 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 15:21:58 | ljp | ibot: feed |
| 15:22:02 | mark | spiralman: tell me about it. find . | xargs touch :) |
| 15:22:09 | spiralman | mark: yeah... |
| 15:22:10 | zekce | Harlekin: for ::open in std namespace |
| 15:22:16 | ljp | Harlekin: ;) |
| 15:22:23 | Harlekin | yes |
| 15:22:27 | Harlekin | which wont work |
| 15:22:32 | zekce | Harlekin: ? |
| 15:22:32 | ljp | open( tends to crash |
| 15:23:37 | ljp | Harlekin: does it not compile like that? |
| 15:23:47 | Harlekin | ljp: tright |
| 15:23:50 | Harlekin | zekce: include/qpe/custom-ipaq.h |
| 15:24:03 | ljp | hmmm well... make it so.. |
| 15:24:05 | mark | ++ |
| 15:24:22 | Harlekin | srry |
| 15:25:31 | spiralman | somebody needs to fix the damn ./configure script... |
| 15:25:45 | Harlekin | spiralman: ? |
| 15:25:56 | mark | spiralman: once you have it cr oss compiled can you please send me it. thansk |
| 15:26:08 | spiralman | Harlekin: it doesnt do anything w/ the staticlib option |
| 15:26:11 | spiralman | mark: can do... |
| 15:26:47 | spiralman | Harlekin: so after running ./configure, i have to manually edit two lines in the makefile |
| 15:26:53 | spiralman | Harlekin: i might look into fixing it... |
| 15:29:01 | spiralman | Harlekin: although, im not much of a shell scripter |
| 15:29:24 | kergoth | I'd fix configure if i had time. I'd likely convert us to qmake while i'm at it. |
| 15:29:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:29:29 | kergoth | busy busy busy tho |
| 15:30:15 | Verxion | man |
| 15:30:22 | Verxion | now that this keyboard driver of mine is working |
| 15:30:26 | spiralman | mark: got a cross compiled version... |
| 15:30:29 | Verxion | I begin to see the draw of the Z |
| 15:30:30 | spiralman | mark: dcc? |
| 15:30:38 | Verxion | an anytime slide out keyboard |
| 15:30:52 | Verxion | if work hadn't already bought me an ipaq 3850 |
| 15:30:58 | Verxion | I suspect I would be considering a Z |
| 15:30:58 | Verxion | :) |
| 15:31:05 | Verxion | anyone here have a Z? |
| 15:31:23 | spiralman | Verxion: unfortunately, yes, a lot of people do... |
| 15:31:31 | Verxion | what is wrong with the Z? |
| 15:31:39 | Groucho | ljp: Can you please fix the qsound.g issue ? |
| 15:31:51 | Groucho | ljp: In launcher/desktop.cpp |
| 15:32:00 | spiralman | Verxion: nothing, but it makes things like the no ctrl characters in embeddedkonsole never get fixed |
| 15:32:18 | Verxion | spiralman: they fixed that |
| 15:32:22 | spiralman | Verxion: cause most of the devels just say " well, it works for me w/ my hardware keyboard" |
| 15:32:30 | Verxion | grab the latest feed, ctrl chars work in embeddedkonsole now |
| 15:32:41 | ljp | Groucho: I think harlekin's working on that right now.. |
| 15:32:43 | spiralman | Verxion: actually, if i remember correctly **they** didnt, somebody else did... |
| 15:32:49 | Verxion | oh |
| 15:32:52 | Verxion | well, it works |
| 15:33:03 | spiralman | yeah, but also sound events dont work either... |
| 15:33:06 | Verxion | well, now that I have a hardware keyboard |
| 15:33:10 | Verxion | I am super happy |
| 15:33:11 | spiralman | and nobody seems to be working on that... |
| 15:33:17 | spiralman | mark: you there? |
| 15:33:17 | Verxion | I need to add some chars to my driver |
| 15:33:19 | Verxion | missing chars |
| 15:33:23 | Verxion | and then I will be set |
| 15:33:57 | Verxion | ; { } [ ] | \ ~ # ^ _ |
| 15:34:01 | Verxion | not too many chars really |
| 15:34:08 | Verxion | but necessary chars nonetheless |
| 15:34:10 | Harlekin | mark: how about knight size? |
| 15:34:39 | spiralman | Harlekin: unstriped the binary is 648KB |
| 15:34:48 | Verxion | ok |
| 15:34:54 | Verxion | gotta try this new kernel |
| 15:35:08 | Verxion | makes an image to CF first tho |
| 15:35:11 | spiralman | Harlekin: stripped its 564KB |
| 15:35:14 | Verxion | too much is working now to lose it |
| 15:35:19 | spiralman | which isnt very good... |
| 15:35:38 | Harlekin | spiralman: with images .. |
| 15:36:06 | spiralman | Harlekin: dont know yet... |
| 15:36:24 | spiralman | Harlekin: how do i check directory size on the ipaq? |
| 15:37:30 | spiralman | mark: ftp://tfs1812@grace.rit.edu/users/rit0/g2/tfs1812/www/feed/knights for the striped arm binary of knights... |
| 15:37:35 | spiralman | shit |
| 15:38:00 | spiralman | http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/feed/knights |
| 15:38:01 | spiralman | sorry |
| 15:38:09 | Harlekin | Verxion: buy one tomorrow |
| 15:38:56 | Verxion | harlekin: WHen do you think Iw ill be able to use it? |
| 15:39:43 | Harlekin | Verxion: soon |
| 15:40:28 | Verxion | hrh |
| 15:40:31 | Verxion | er, heh |
| 15:42:29 | Harlekin | ljp: confuses about custom-ipaq |
| 15:43:12 | ljp | huh? |
| 15:43:31 | mark | spiralman: du -sh |
| 15:43:31 | Harlekin | ljp: no idea whats wrong there |
| 15:43:34 | mark | ? |
| 15:43:40 | mark | in ~/.knights/ |
| 15:43:51 | | Gonz was last seen on #handhelds.org 14 hours, 30 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Wed May 22 02:13:11 2002] |
| 15:43:51 | HrAbbey | ibot seen Gonz? |
| 15:43:51 | spiralman | mark: ok |
| 15:44:08 | ljp | Harlekin: doesn't compile? |
| 15:44:12 | Harlekin | ljp: no |
| 15:44:13 | spiralman | its 236k, on my ipaq... |
| 15:44:36 | mark | spiralman: there are sounds there too which aren't played atm |
| 15:44:42 | mark | so its about 700k in total |
| 15:44:43 | spiralman | mark: yeah, i noticed |
| 15:44:55 | spiralman | mark: except that the ipaq uses a compressed filesystem |
| 15:45:04 | mark | spiralman: oh yeh |
| 15:45:13 | mark | 430k here |
| 15:45:14 | spiralman | mark: did you get my binary? |
| 15:45:23 | mark | 342k without sounds |
| 15:45:28 | mark | spiralman: yep, just grabbed it, cheers |
| 15:45:31 | spiralman | mark: cool |
| 15:45:54 | mark | spiralman: internet play support is compiled in, as is loading of .pgn files |
| 15:46:01 | mark | just doens't work :) |
| 15:46:06 | spiralman | mark: ok, cool |
| 15:46:23 | spiralman | mark: ill look into it, although i cant promise anything about the net stuff... |
| 15:46:39 | mark | spiralman: well it may be working, but i dont think it is |
| 15:46:59 | Verxion | ok |
| 15:47:04 | Verxion | got all of the opie source |
| 15:49:24 | mark | spiralman: remove ~/.knights/pieces |
| 15:49:31 | spiralman | mark: ok... |
| 15:49:58 | spiralman | mark: and the sounds? |
| 15:50:29 | mark | spiralman: yeh |
| 15:50:31 | mark | for now |
| 15:50:33 | spiralman | mark: w/ that and the sounds gone, its 146k |
| 15:50:37 | mark | spiralman: cool |
| 15:50:41 | mark | spiralman: it working on ur ipaq? |
| 15:50:47 | spiralman | mark: yeah... |
| 15:50:52 | mark | spiralman: its not loading images here |
| 15:51:00 | spiralman | mark: hmm... |
| 15:51:08 | mark | oh yes it is |
| 15:51:34 | mark | spiralman: the squares need to get lighter, they are hardly visable |
| 15:51:48 | spiralman | mark: it seems to loose its maximized status when you load a game... |
| 15:51:51 | Harlekin | mark: is the game workign? |
| 15:51:52 | mark | i mean the black pieces are hardly visable |
| 15:52:00 | spiralman | mark: ahh, yeah... |
| 15:52:07 | spiralman | Harlekin: yes |
| 15:52:45 | Harlekin | @all opie devels: how about a cvs branch opie-nonbeta, for new apps |
| 15:52:55 | spiralman | Harlekin: im for it... |
| 15:53:01 | Groucho | raise hands high |
| 15:53:14 | mark | Harlekin: yes, indeed |
| 15:53:27 | mark | spiralman: does it |
| 15:53:44 | kergoth | opie-nonbeta? thats not clear. I'd say we need a branch for approaching the 1.0 release |
| 15:53:56 | mark | kergoth: kdenonbeta works :) |
| 15:54:06 | mark | Harlekin: also, the settings dialog needs to be scaled down |
| 15:54:09 | spiralman | kergoth: nonbeta for things that dont compile, or dont work properly when the do compile... |
| 15:54:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: it is a place to pause apps before they are merged into head |
| 15:55:05 | Harlekin | kergoth: better than just not adding it to top level makefile |
| 15:55:05 | Harlekin | etc |
| 15:55:05 | Harlekin | and it is open even in freeze times |
| 15:55:26 | kergoth | That works. I still say the 'nonbeta' nomenclature is unclear |
| 15:55:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55:38 | mark | kergoth: people are used to it :) |
| 15:55:48 | kergoth | doesnt make it any more clear :-) |
| 15:56:01 | mark | true |
| 15:56:15 | Harlekin | kergoth: so, past-alpha |
| 15:56:19 | kergoth | nonbeta could imply either alpha, or release status |
| 15:56:27 | Harlekin | or |
| 15:56:30 | Harlekin | pre-main |
| 15:56:51 | kergoth | I dunno, I dont have a better suggestion offhand, it just seemed unclear |
| 15:56:53 | kergoth | brb |
| 15:56:54 | mark | spiralman: also, where is the config file being stored? |
| 15:57:09 | spiralman | mark: let me look |
| 15:57:43 | spiralman | mark: i dont seem to have one... |
| 15:58:10 | mark | spiralman: no, nor do i |
| 15:58:26 | spiralman | mark: does it ever call write() on the cfg? |
| 15:58:36 | mark | spiralman: ah, prolly that signal slot thing again |
| 15:59:39 | spiralman | mark: i dont think that config in qpe uses signals/slots... |
| 16:00:12 | mark | spiralman: you misunderstand |
| 16:01:02 | mark | knights tries to connect Knights::KillAll() to QPEApplication::shutdown(). killall() rights the config object |
| 16:01:14 | spiralman | ahh |
| 16:01:15 | spiralman | ok |
| 16:01:27 | spiralman | and qpeapplication doesnt have shutdown(), right? |
| 16:01:35 | mark | right |
| 16:02:28 | mark | try aboutToQuit perhaps |
| 16:02:37 | spiralman | mark: yeah, just about to say that... |
| 16:06:07 | mark | spiralman: update the binary when your done, gotta run now, cya |
| 16:12:22 | Groucho | cu |
| 16:35:41 | spiralman | is away: out running an errand |
| 17:01:48 | spiralman | is back |
| 17:01:52 | spiralman | is away: lunch |
| 17:13:49 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:21:19) |
| 17:14:54 | mark | spiralman: i've put together a .desktop with an icon bt |
| 17:14:55 | mark | btw* |
| 17:33:29 | Verxion | well cool |
| 17:33:51 | Harlekin | mark: is it playable via tcpip? |
| 17:33:53 | Verxion | I have an ipaq 3850 running opie with the joypad and the keyboard arrow keys working in the correct directions |
| 17:34:09 | Verxion | and my microkeyboard works directly after bootup by simply plugging it in |
| 17:34:14 | Verxion | :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 17:34:18 | Verxion | I am a VERY happy person |
| 17:34:47 | mark | Harlekin: not yet, as that requires the console, which I took out |
| 17:37:46 | mark | can i have suggestions on how to make this smaller -> www.houseoffish.org/snapshot17.png |
| 17:38:59 | Harlekin | mark: under file |
| 17:39:23 | mark | Harlekin: ? |
| 17:39:39 | Harlekin | mark: file->configure |
| 17:39:40 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:42:08 | Harlekin | mark: or do you mean dialog layout |
| 17:42:13 | mark | yeh |
| 17:42:15 | Harlekin | ehehe |
| 17:42:17 | mark | i'm getting some help on #zaurus |
| 17:42:21 | Harlekin | 2 possible way |
| 17:42:25 | Harlekin | a) make it more tabs |
| 17:42:42 | Harlekin | b) make it scrollable, and then the checkboxes below each other |
| 17:47:44 | Verxion | ok |
| 17:47:54 | Verxion | now I need to extend the keyboard driver just a bit more |
| 17:48:02 | Verxion | for the chars it doesn't currently include |
| 17:50:10 | Verxion | ljp: guess what |
| 17:50:21 | ljp | chicken's butt |
| 17:50:52 | ljp | what |
| 17:51:00 | Verxion | my 3850 has a working microkbd and the cursor keys/jpad all point in the proper directions now |
| 17:51:00 | Verxion | :)))) |
| 17:51:40 | ljp | hehe cool |
| 17:51:45 | Verxion | yeah |
| 17:52:13 | Harlekin | Verxion: send the patches to jamey |
| 17:52:14 | Verxion | I need to add 11 characters that the keyboard doesn't currently support (gonna try function+shift to get extra chars) |
| 17:52:28 | Verxion | then I will have the chars I need to do programming |
| 17:52:34 | Verxion | Harlekin: I don't think he would want them |
| 17:52:37 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:52:39 | Verxion | these are both hacks |
| 17:52:49 | Verxion | I mean, non standard method of solving the problem |
| 17:52:50 | Harlekin | Verxion: so what if you use this kernel on a 36 or 37 |
| 17:53:10 | Verxion | Harlekin: That is my point - it would make your joypad and microkbd keys backwards |
| 17:53:26 | Verxion | Harlekin: Do you know of any way to identify the hardware? |
| 17:53:31 | Harlekin | sure |
| 17:53:41 | Harlekin | look in the qpe startup script |
| 17:53:43 | Verxion | I could VERY easily make the direction switching code depend on which model the user has |
| 17:53:49 | Verxion | ok, thanks a lot |
| 17:53:55 | Verxion | I just don't know how to find info like that out |
| 17:53:58 | Verxion | thanks |
| 17:54:04 | kergoth | doesnt the ipaq kernel use a different kernel config for each model? |
| 17:54:08 | Harlekin | and then look where that proc parts gets its info from |
| 17:54:20 | Harlekin | kergoth: no |
| 17:54:22 | kergoth | i mean, I know 31xx vs 36xx etc is seperate kernel CONFIG entries.. |
| 17:54:23 | Verxion | heh |
| 17:54:24 | Harlekin | kergoth: on kernel for all |
| 17:54:41 | Verxion | submitting patches will very likely make people look at my code and say they could all have done it a billion better ways |
| 17:54:46 | Verxion | but so be it, I wanted this shit fixed |
| 17:55:21 | Verxion | to add extra chars |
| 17:55:23 | kergoth | Harlekin: found what he needs. |
| 17:55:26 | Verxion | I am gonna have to clean my code up a bit |
| 17:55:36 | Verxion | I am a bit sloppy about shift states |
| 17:55:53 | Verxion | I set the state to "not" of the current state |
| 17:56:00 | Verxion | I want to be more explicit |
| 17:57:12 | kergoth | Verxion: #include <asm/mach-types.h> |
| 17:57:27 | Verxion | thanks kergoth |
| 17:57:36 | Verxion | anyone here have a 3650 they could help me test with? |
| 17:57:49 | Verxion | I need to make sure my h3600_ts.o won't mess a 3650 up |
| 17:57:56 | Verxion | (not ready for testing yet, but need a volunteer) |
| 17:58:06 | kergoth | Verxion: if (machine_is_h3600()) |
| 17:58:23 | Verxion | kick arse |
| 17:58:27 | kergoth | Verxion: machine_is_h3100(), machine_is_3800() |
| 17:58:31 | Verxion | can't be much easier than that kergoth! :) |
| 17:58:34 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:58:41 | kergoth | I'm glad they did it that way |
| 17:58:42 | Verxion | I am enjoying kernel hacking |
| 17:58:43 | Verxion | this is fun |
| 17:58:49 | kergoth | very easy to determine which sa1100 implementation you're using |
| 17:58:59 | kergoth | yeah me too. I'm forward porting the zaurus stuff from 2.4.6 to 2.4.18 |
| 17:59:27 | Verxion | tell me |
| 17:59:34 | Verxion | when I make a patch |
| 17:59:40 | Verxion | should I just add my code with comments |
| 17:59:57 | Verxion | or like surround my code with comments saying "added to patch in blah blah" |
| 18:00:07 | Verxion | seems like a diff should let people see what I added/changed |
| 18:00:10 | Verxion | but I wasn't sure. . |
| 18:00:20 | kergoth | the diff itself should give people enough information |
| 18:00:25 | kergoth | I mean, comment the code normally. |
| 18:00:26 | Verxion | ok |
| 18:00:29 | Verxion | right |
| 18:00:30 | Verxion | ok |
| 18:00:33 | Verxion | didn't wanna upset people |
| 18:00:37 | kergoth | and note in the changelog if there is one what you did |
| 18:01:38 | Verxion | at some point |
| 18:01:48 | Verxion | I would like to convert my switch statements |
| 18:01:51 | Verxion | to table lookups |
| 18:02:00 | Verxion | but I need to learn a bit more about that |
| 18:02:07 | Verxion | cuz right now, I am not comfortable doing that |
| 18:11:28 | Verxion | kergoth, are you there? |
| 18:11:37 | Verxion | I need a tiny bit of syntax help |
| 18:11:44 | kergoth | yep, what do ya need |
| 18:12:16 | Verxion | ok, I have an array that is already defined (I think it is an array - it is declared as " |
| 18:12:37 | Verxion | static unsigned char <arrayname>[128] = { 0,0,.......0 } |
| 18:12:42 | Verxion | that is an array, right? |
| 18:12:55 | Verxion | or should I call it something else? |
| 18:13:39 | Verxion | its actual code is basically of the form: "static unsigned char scancodes[2] { 0,0 }" |
| 18:14:08 | Verxion | I want to redefine one of the values AFTER the array has been initialized |
| 18:14:15 | Verxion | I am trying: |
| 18:14:20 | Verxion | scancode[1] = 1; |
| 18:14:36 | lanbo_ | hi, does anybody know if is possible to get SUBPIXEL antialiasing? Not grey scale AA, but the subpixel one. Any ebook reader with it enabled? |
| 18:15:20 | treke_ | lanbo_: qt could probably be patched to do it. I know X can |
| 18:15:44 | ljp | umm.. I believe that whardier was going to work on cleartype at some point |
| 18:16:34 | Harlekin | ljp: did you talk to the qtreader author? |
| 18:16:38 | Harlekin | ljp: about opie-reader |
| 18:17:20 | ljp | ohh.. no.. I forgot.. |
| 18:17:21 | lanbo_ | Is it a good thing to use the flash rom so often? I mean, with PPC2002 you only flashed it when youinstalled the OS. With linux I'm using it all the time. Even to save normal data. Can't the flash be damaged beacuse the often usage? |
| 18:18:01 | Harlekin | lanbo_: yes |
| 18:19:23 | treke_ | flash has a limit to how many times you can write to it. you might want to look at the nrvd (Non Volitile Ram Disk) kernel module |
| 18:19:40 | Harlekin | lanbo_: only a few 1000 times |
| 18:19:42 | lanbo_ | The problem is that the file system is RW, and linux it's all the time changing files, keeping logs, etc. So you cannot avoid this behaviour. |
| 18:20:12 | treke_ | lanbo_: I doubt it logs much |
| 18:21:54 | ljp | I think its more like a few 100 thousand times |
| 18:22:16 | lanbo_ | treke_: for example: the root directory is on the flash. And bash_history is changing all the time.... If I use bash 10 times / day, It will break in 100 days. And this is less than a year!!! |
| 18:22:51 | treke_ | lanbo_: Its not quite that bad |
| 18:23:55 | lanbo_ | I guess M$ guys did it that way thinking in possible problems. They might be right. |
| 18:24:04 | treke_ | /tmp and /var are both on a ram disk, so they arent a problem. |
| 18:24:16 | treke_ | It's just /root, which can be solved by putting it in ram |
| 18:24:30 | lanbo_ | ok |
| 18:25:02 | treke_ | I think the magic number is something like 10,000 times per block |
| 18:25:27 | lanbo_ | is it there any command to see which files are opened and being written in linux? |
| 18:25:28 | treke_ | and the jffs2 does some caching to prevent every single fs write |
| 18:25:37 | treke_ | lsof should do that |
| 18:25:51 | treke_ | probably isnt on familar though |
| 18:26:23 | lanbo_ | not even in red hat (at least the default rpms) :-) |
| 18:26:37 | lanbo_ | lsof? |
| 18:26:53 | treke_ | its in the supp package for familiar |
| 18:26:56 | treke_ | list open files |
| 18:28:25 | lanbo_ | treke_: actually it is installed in redhat (but not in path :-P). In the desktop linux I get A LOT of files opened |
| 18:28:33 | treke_ | probably in /sbin |
| 18:28:45 | treke_ | 317 on my ipaq pen :) |
| 18:30:12 | treke_ | probably some duplicates there. 331 unique files open on my desktop |
| 18:30:25 | lanbo_ | I don't know if this is the right way to go.... Did anybody have a problem with flash around here? Do you usually use the /root directory? |
| 18:30:52 | lanbo_ | Calendar, changing settings, contacts... :-( |
| 18:30:59 | lanbo_ | everytime I synch... |
| 18:31:03 | lanbo_ | :-( |
| 18:31:30 | treke_ | I store all my contact info in flash. I dont like risking losing it |
| 18:31:54 | Harlekin | lanbo_: never hat falsh problems |
| 18:32:10 | Harlekin | and that ipaq is under linux since 10 months |
| 18:32:29 | lanbo_ | Herlekin: Are you using the root directory? |
| 18:32:52 | Harlekin | lanbo_: yes |
| 18:34:18 | lanbo_ | Harlekin: but I cannot imagin why PPC2002 doesn't work this way (writing in flash I mean). What about the Zaurus? Does it use the flash as a normal disk? Or just to keep the OS? |
| 18:34:30 | treke_ | the zaurus used ram for the disk |
| 18:34:43 | Harlekin | lanbo_: wince does not loose ram on soft reboot |
| 18:34:46 | Harlekin | just on hard reboot |
| 18:34:54 | Harlekin | linux is close to that |
| 18:34:58 | treke_ | Harlekin : Linux does that now |
| 18:35:10 | Harlekin | treke_: not by default |
| 18:35:11 | Harlekin | in the kernel |
| 18:35:12 | Harlekin | not yet |
| 18:35:19 | kergoth | bah, just depends on the driver you're using |
| 18:35:25 | treke_ | not by default, you just have to set it up |
| 18:35:31 | Harlekin | right |
| 18:35:33 | lanbo_ | how? |
| 18:35:38 | Harlekin | treke_: but not default |
| 18:35:38 | Harlekin | yet |
| 18:35:42 | Harlekin | and not save |
| 18:35:45 | kergoth | its default on the zaurus :-) |
| 18:35:48 | Harlekin | trashed fs s out there |
| 18:36:37 | treke_ | lanbo_ : MS probably does it for 2 reaons |
| 18:36:55 | treke_ | 1) PPC2002 is quite a bit bigger than a stock familiar install |
| 18:37:12 | treke_ | 2) You wont wear out ram, eventually you'll wear out the flash |
| 18:37:38 | lanbo_ | treke_:That's MS, but why Zaurus? |
| 18:37:45 | treke_ | lanbo_ : Same reason |
| 18:37:50 | kergoth | lanbo_: 2) still applies |
| 18:38:39 | treke_ | and so does 1), since they install a lot of qpe apps. Plain old familiar is only 6 megs (no x or qtopia) |
| 18:38:58 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 18:39:05 | kergoth | they preinstall everything to flash, nonwritable |
| 18:39:13 | treke_ | do they have a 32mb or 16mb rom? |
| 18:39:41 | kergoth | 16 |
| 18:40:03 | kergoth | its full, and not writable. a mess of symlinks allow you to write to standard paths, which are really in /home, which is the ramdisk |
| 18:42:51 | lanbo_ | smart thinking I guess |
| 18:44:36 | lanbo_ | Sorry, english is not my language :-P Is it "wear out" = "damage for so often use"? |
| 18:47:32 | treke_ | lanbo_ : yeah |
| 18:48:10 | treke_ | They are selling to people who probably wont buy a new pda for 3 or 4 years |
| 18:49:18 | lanbo_ | treke_: HUH! My IPAQ was pretty expensive for me! I don't want to buy another one in 2 years because I decided to use linux :-( I don't want to "wear out" my ROM... :-( |
| 18:49:40 | treke_ | lanbo_ : It was expensive for me also, but I like faster and smaller :) |
| 18:49:42 | lanbo_ | sooo bad .... I didn't know that risk |
| 18:50:05 | lanbo_ | treke_: It's not in handhelds.org |
| 18:50:19 | treke_ | what isnt in handhelds.org? |
| 18:51:02 | lanbo_ | treke_:At least you can follow the instructions to install everything and you won't get any disclaimer warning about that |
| 18:51:52 | treke_ | Its there somewhere |
| 18:52:38 | CraHan | hello |
| 18:54:35 | treke_ | then again I knew about that particular problem already |
| 18:56:16 | lanbo_ | According to the spec, the flash is good for 100000 erase cycles per |
| 18:56:17 | lanbo_ | block |
| 18:56:38 | lanbo_ | treke_I read it in a post of Jamey |
| 18:56:55 | lanbo_ | treke_: He adds: So don't use it for /tmp |
| 18:57:17 | kergoth | lanbo_: it also does its best to not use the same block if it doesnt have to. |
| 18:57:25 | treke_ | hehe :) |
| 18:57:56 | lanbo_ | It would be nice linux asking you: So which block do you want to use now? :-) |
| 18:58:05 | treke_ | haha. that would suck :) |
| 18:58:32 | CraHan | even better would be seeing a message 'you have 9900 writes left' |
| 18:58:50 | kergoth | CraHan: for every block in the system? hell no |
| 18:58:55 | CraHan | haha |
| 18:58:57 | CraHan | yeah... |
| 18:58:58 | kergoth | thatd be nuts |
| 18:59:01 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:59:06 | CraHan | pretty much :) |
| 18:59:32 | kergoth | Now an average number of writes left accross every block would be useful, but not feasable :-) |
| 18:59:49 | CraHan | i was thinking about installing opie on a CF |
| 19:00:00 | CraHan | problem is it doesn't seem to get mounted in time |
| 19:00:06 | Harlekin | lanbo_: even if you read the 100000 cycles |
| 19:00:10 | kergoth | change hte startup script symlink |
| 19:00:11 | CraHan | so opie hangs when trying to start up |
| 19:00:13 | Harlekin | lanbo_: then you ipaq is that old |
| 19:00:18 | lanbo_ | What happens if you damage one block? Can you still use the other blocks? I mean, acn you go to the bootloader and type "load root" and everything will work and re-install or the program will crash when it arrives to the damaged block? |
| 19:00:20 | kergoth | move the qpe startup to later in the boot process. |
| 19:00:28 | treke_ | CraHan: You have to futz with init scripts. Its not too tough |
| 19:00:33 | Harlekin | lanbo_: maybe you want to exchange the falsh then with a 128 mb flash chip |
| 19:00:37 | CraHan | ah ok... |
| 19:00:43 | CraHan | i think I'll do that |
| 19:00:58 | CraHan | i'll mount the flash card under /opt |
| 19:01:22 | lanbo_ | Harlekin: Ummm... Is that possible? |
| 19:01:29 | treke_ | lanbo_ : yes |
| 19:01:32 | Harlekin | lanbo_: yes, a german company for example |
| 19:01:38 | lanbo_ | Harlekin: Sending it to Compaq / HP? |
| 19:01:39 | Harlekin | lanbo_: exchanges a 32 in right now |
| 19:01:42 | treke_ | Although I'm not sure they do 128mbs |
| 19:01:43 | Harlekin | lanbo_: no |
| 19:01:50 | Harlekin | treke_: lanbo_ there is no 128 mb yet |
| 19:01:51 | Harlekin | only 32 |
| 19:01:53 | lanbo_ | Harlekin: $$$? |
| 19:02:03 | Harlekin | but by the time his flash is worn of |
| 19:02:06 | Harlekin | in 4 years |
| 19:02:11 | Harlekin | there will be 128 chips |
| 19:02:14 | Harlekin | lanbo_: 140 euro |
| 19:02:21 | Harlekin | lanbo_: flash is expensive |
| 19:02:25 | CraHan | and who replaces them? |
| 19:02:26 | lanbo_ | huh" |
| 19:02:40 | treke_ | There's a company in California calle pce that does it |
| 19:02:47 | lanbo_ | good question :-) i hope it's not linux users LOL! |
| 19:02:52 | treke_ | They also do ram upgrades up to 128 MB (maybe 256 now) |
| 19:03:12 | lanbo_ | treke_:do you know their web page? |
| 19:03:22 | Harlekin | lanbo_: http://www.ipaqupgrade.de/ |
| 19:03:26 | Harlekin | lanbo_: thats the german one |
| 19:04:03 | lanbo_ | it's ok. It's closer for me :-) |
| 19:04:26 | treke_ | CraHan: I wa doing something similar a while back with cf, what I did was create an init.d script that just mounted my compact flash card. And ran it before it was needed. Something like S50 should work. Its needs to be after pcmcia and before qpestuff |
| 19:04:40 | CraHan | aha |
| 19:04:54 | CraHan | cause like I'm doing it now I have way to manu stuff i wanna install |
| 19:05:06 | CraHan | and messing with -d ext it a pain in the backside |
| 19:05:11 | treke_ | http://www.pocketpctechs.com/ also does it |
| 19:05:46 | treke_ | rom upgrade is $180 US. 256MB ram is 500 :) |
| 19:07:09 | CraHan | wooaaaa |
| 19:07:11 | CraHan | nifty |
| 19:07:38 | lanbo_ | 500!!! buy a new one! |
| 19:07:40 | lanbo_ | huh! |
| 19:08:05 | Harlekin | thats ram |
| 19:08:08 | Harlekin | you wont rom |
| 19:08:15 | Harlekin | areg |
| 19:08:17 | Harlekin | flash |
| 19:08:24 | Harlekin | flash rom |
| 19:08:44 | treke_ | 256mb ram could be cool in theory |
| 19:09:15 | treke_ | I dunno what Id need it for though |
| 19:09:37 | lanbo_ | #ls -al tmp -> /tmp -> mnt/ramfs/tmp ;-) |
| 19:09:49 | Harlekin | treke_: i think its cheaper to by a cf |
| 19:10:42 | treke_ | Harlekin : cf doesnt function as ram though (althoug you could make it swap space) |
| 19:10:55 | lanbo_ | bye |
| 19:11:03 | Harlekin | treke_: ähhh, the ram upgrade |
| 19:11:10 | Harlekin | treke_: you would use it as ramfs |
| 19:11:18 | Harlekin | treke_: not as working ram |
| 19:12:28 | treke_ | would make mysql,php, and apache a bit more practicle :) |
| 19:16:55 | mark | Neo|Work, benmeyere? www.houseoffish.org/snapshot18.png -- suggestions for this one please |
| 19:17:57 | Neo|Work | mark: hard to tell but how wide does the theme selectors need to be? |
| 19:18:11 | Harlekin | mark: wich part |
| 19:18:50 | Neo|Work | as for the checkboxes, isn't there a multi-select type thing you can use? Or perhaps have a button with "other display options" that open up a new little dialog? |
| 19:19:27 | Neo|Work | if you do that, you can also move the theme selectors to be in a vertial orientation (i.e one above the other) |
| 19:19:37 | mark | i think its the 'theme size' selection thats making it so wide |
| 19:20:20 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh |
| 19:20:23 | mark | Harlekin: all of it :) |
| 19:20:35 | Harlekin | mark: but it below each other |
| 19:20:44 | Harlekin | mark: and do not use fixed pixel sizes |
| 19:20:45 | mark | Neo|Work: hmm, the theme size thing isn't really that necessary |
| 19:21:11 | kiomi | does opie have an mp3 player? |
| 19:21:17 | Harlekin | yes |
| 19:21:21 | Harlekin | opie mediaplayer |
| 19:21:26 | mark | it could just be a number selector thingy |
| 19:21:32 | Harlekin | and then install opie-libmadplugin |
| 19:22:54 | CraHan | treke_: wouldn't it be possible to use the pcmcia buitlin automount option? |
| 19:23:11 | CraHan | to mount the CF before starting opie? |
| 19:23:20 | treke_ | CraHan: In theory yes. in practice, it never seemd to work |
| 19:23:24 | CraHan | ah ok |
| 19:23:31 | kergoth | cf automount seems to work fine on my zaurus |
| 19:23:39 | CraHan | so better do a mount /opt yourself in a script |
| 19:23:53 | kergoth | assuming cardmgr gets started, picks up the card, and mounts prior to qpe starting. could have a timing issue there |
| 19:24:02 | CraHan | indeed |
| 19:24:14 | treke_ | kergoth : thats what appeared to be the issue. It simply want getting loaded in time unless I forced it |
| 19:24:30 | CraHan | i think I had the same problem before |
| 19:24:37 | CraHan | If I remember correctly |
| 19:24:50 | CraHan | ok removed all opie stuff |
| 19:24:58 | CraHan | now to reinstall on the CF card |
| 19:25:10 | kiomi | its not veiwing my mp3s in /mnt/ramfs |
| 19:25:21 | kiomi | it just sees directories |
| 19:25:31 | Harlekin | kiomi: which app |
| 19:25:36 | kiomi | do they need to be chmod +x? |
| 19:25:55 | kiomi | mediaplayer |
| 19:25:58 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 19:26:15 | Harlekin | how do you search /mnt/ramfs directly with mediaplayer |
| 19:26:36 | kiomi | open file or url |
| 19:26:48 | Harlekin | kiomi: look down on the right side |
| 19:26:52 | Harlekin | playlist/plain |
| 19:26:57 | CraHan | do I need to umount it before reboot? |
| 19:26:57 | Harlekin | it does not look for mp3 file |
| 19:27:04 | Harlekin | ljp: maybe add audio/mp3 |
| 19:27:06 | CraHan | or is that done by familiar? |
| 19:27:10 | Harlekin | ljp: and others |
| 19:27:24 | kiomi | right side? |
| 19:27:29 | kergoth | Harlekin: I thought it picked up mime types from the plugins.. doesnt it? |
| 19:27:45 | kiomi | i dont have a playlist |
| 19:28:01 | Harlekin | kergoth: not in the feed versiom |
| 19:28:09 | kergoth | Harlekin: hm |
| 19:28:12 | Harlekin | kergoth: for file open widget in mediaplayer |
| 19:28:19 | kiomi | ok |
| 19:28:20 | Harlekin | kergoth: it does for playing |
| 19:28:23 | kergoth | Harlekin: ohh.. gotcha |
| 19:28:30 | Harlekin | kiomi: use filemanager |
| 19:28:30 | kiomi | playlist/plain is the only option |
| 19:28:37 | Harlekin | ljp: bug? |
| 19:28:48 | kergoth | Harlekin: is there a ALL entry for mime types in the ofiledialog yet? being stuck with the text mime type in textedit is annoying |
| 19:29:07 | Harlekin | kergoth: the app has to set it |
| 19:29:20 | Harlekin | kergoth: the app using ofileselector |
| 19:29:25 | kergoth | Harlekin: ah, so that was a textedit bug. k |
| 19:29:29 | kergoth | just wondering |
| 19:29:58 | ljp | partial textedit bug- ofileselector is still broken |
| 19:30:56 | kiomi | says there no decoders for the file |
| 19:31:02 | kiomi | is that why i need madlibs? |
| 19:31:13 | Harlekin | kiomi: yes |
| 19:32:29 | kiomi | thanks |
| 19:33:28 | kiomi | ok |
| 19:33:32 | kiomi | 1 last problem |
| 19:33:40 | kiomi | it shuts itself off |
| 19:33:43 | kiomi | into suspend |
| 19:33:56 | kiomi | is that apmd? |
| 19:34:09 | Harlekin | yes |
| 19:34:11 | kiomi | i want to disable that, ill turn it off myself |
| 19:34:22 | Harlekin | kiomi: go to light setting app |
| 19:34:27 | Harlekin | and mark |
| 19:34:28 | kiomi | it worse if i deinstall apmd |
| 19:34:31 | ljp | opie doesnt use apmd really |
| 19:34:32 | Harlekin | "only turn off display" |
| 19:34:36 | Harlekin | ljp: it does |
| 19:34:41 | ljp | no |
| 19:34:45 | ljp | not apmd |
| 19:34:47 | Harlekin | ljp: for suspend |
| 19:34:51 | Harlekin | apm |
| 19:34:54 | kergoth | it calls the apm binary, yeah |
| 19:34:54 | ljp | thats apm |
| 19:35:03 | Harlekin | ljp: which is a script on ipaq |
| 19:35:05 | ljp | appm != apmd |
| 19:35:09 | kergoth | part of the apmd package though |
| 19:35:16 | Harlekin | ljp: on ipaq its the apmd ipk |
| 19:35:17 | ljp | ewrr apm != apmd |
| 19:35:37 | kiomi | only deactivate lcd durring suspend |
| 19:35:37 | Harlekin | ljp: thats why ipaq people refere to both as apmd |
| 19:35:39 | kiomi | ok |
| 19:35:49 | kiomi | but i dont want anything deactivated |
| 19:35:53 | ljp | oh.. somewhat of a misnomer... |
| 19:36:05 | Harlekin | yep |
| 19:36:10 | Harlekin | ljp: complain to a7r |
| 19:36:15 | ljp | hehehe |
| 19:39:48 | kiomi | is the ipaq screen sencitive to chemical cleaners? |
| 19:40:00 | kiomi | like windex |
| 19:40:14 | Harlekin | #handhelds.org |
| 19:40:53 | kiomi | they wont answer |
| 19:41:01 | kiomi | :) |
| 19:44:03 | ljp | I just use my breath and a kleenex |
| 19:44:11 | ljp | or my tshirt |
| 19:46:16 | | cc is Candy Cruncher or beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk or note that CC beta download needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ to be installed |
| 19:46:16 | Neo|Work | ibot: cc |
| 19:46:21 | Neo|Work | go get it! :P |
| 19:50:47 | mark | Harlekin, Neo|Work: last one - www.houseoffish.org/snapshot19.png |
| 19:51:34 | mark | I could tab it I suppose |
| 19:51:53 | Harlekin | yes |
| 19:56:51 | Neo|Work | see no obvious solution there really |
| 19:56:52 | CraHan | weird |
| 19:57:02 | CraHan | I created a script to mount /opt |
| 19:57:10 | CraHan | if I execute it manually it works |
| 19:57:18 | CraHan | but If I like it to S50mountopt |
| 19:57:21 | CraHan | it doesnst |
| 19:57:29 | CraHan | linked to /etc/rc2.d that is |
| 19:58:12 | Harlekin | kergoth: progress reagarding nightly feed? |
| 19:58:43 | kergoth | Harlekin: no progress yet, i'm at work.. i got in trouble yesterday for spending too much time on my projects and not enough on tech support calls. |
| 19:58:45 | kergoth | Harlekin: heh |
| 19:59:01 | dwmw2 | urgh. tech support |
| 19:59:23 | kergoth | heheh. high stress job |
| 19:59:24 | lanbo | Hi all again. I was training opie handwriting recognizer to recognize graffity. Has anybody already done that?. We might share your models |
| 19:59:39 | | try http://linux-mtd.infradead.org/ |
| 19:59:39 | kergoth | ibot: mtd? |
| 20:00:01 | kergoth | dwmw2: is the latest mtd stuff in 2.4.18-rmk6? |
| 20:00:28 | Harlekin | kergoth: because if you would get it out the next 1,5 h |
| 20:00:32 | CraHan | darn |
| 20:00:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: i could help get the bugs out |
| 20:00:41 | Harlekin | case there are any |
| 20:00:43 | CraHan | pcmcia doesn't find the card before the mount script is run |
| 20:00:50 | CraHan | can I change that? |
| 20:00:58 | CraHan | i have the mount script at S50 |
| 20:01:03 | CraHan | and pcmcia is at S10 |
| 20:01:29 | kergoth | CraHan: timing issue. not much you can do without confirming that the device for the cf card is accessible prior to running the mount |
| 20:01:42 | CraHan | mmm |
| 20:02:00 | CraHan | probably won't be too easy to get opie installed on a CF mounted on /opt then |
| 20:02:34 | kergoth | could do something like until ( sleep < /dev/hda1 ); done; # stuff |
| 20:02:46 | kergoth | make it spin until the device is accessible |
| 20:02:54 | CraHan | good idea |
| 20:03:04 | kergoth | s/sleep/sleep 1/ |
| 20:03:23 | kergoth | course if the device never becomes accessible it'd hang at that point in the boot |
| 20:03:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:03:29 | kergoth | so a timeout may be in order |
| 20:03:32 | CraHan | indeed |
| 20:03:49 | CraHan | then again... |
| 20:04:05 | CraHan | k |
| 20:04:09 | CraHan | lemme try that first |
| 20:07:07 | dwmw2 | kergoth: should be. what in particular? |
| 20:08:04 | kergoth | dwmw2: nothing specific, just curious. |
| 20:09:34 | dwmw2 | only thing of note that's changed recently is a jffs2 fix for GC'ing hole nodes. |
| 20:09:51 | dwmw2 | I definitely told rmk he should have it when I committed it, so I assume so. |
| 20:10:19 | kergoth | ah k, cool. |
| 20:10:25 | dwmw2 | hmm. |
| 20:10:29 | dwmw2 | not listed in the release notes |
| 20:10:35 | dwmw2 | lemme ask... |
| 20:10:38 | kergoth | k |
| 20:13:22 | kergoth | hmm i need a script to split apart a patch file (diff -urNd) which contains diffs against numerous files into a seperate patch file for each file in question |
| 20:13:35 | kergoth | anyone have any ideas? i'm thinking a quick sed script, but i dont know sed well enough. heh |
| 20:14:51 | dwmw2 | eep |
| 20:15:01 | dwmw2 | no, raw 2.4.18-rmk6 doesn't have the jffs2 fixes. |
| 20:15:08 | dwmw2 | the one in the handhelds.org tree will. |
| 20:15:24 | kergoth | k |
| 20:15:45 | kergoth | I'm porting the zaurus collie stuff to 2.4.18, so i figured i'd update the mtd and jffs2 stuff if necessary |
| 20:15:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:17:58 | CraHan | ok |
| 20:18:10 | kergoth | dwmw2: thanks for the info |
| 20:18:10 | CraHan | i installed opie to /opt (which is a mounted cf card) |
| 20:18:18 | CraHan | when I run /etc/init.d/qpe start |
| 20:18:24 | CraHan | it says opie starting |
| 20:18:28 | CraHan | but no screen appears |
| 20:18:42 | CraHan | also, /opt is mounted |
| 20:19:36 | dwmw2 | needs a Zaurus |
| 20:19:40 | dwmw2 | sulks |
| 20:19:50 | CraHan | i don't think i should be editing the qpe script , no? |
| 20:20:36 | CraHan | hmmm |
| 20:20:53 | CraHan | everytime i get a crucial problem, room dies ;) |
| 20:21:00 | CraHan | most amusing |
| 20:21:01 | CraHan | heh |
| 20:22:44 | zeckeLovesCompaq | heureka |
| 20:22:54 | CraHan | no |
| 20:22:58 | CraHan | not heureka |
| 20:23:01 | CraHan | ak it's zecke |
| 20:23:02 | zeckeLovesCompaq | ?? |
| 20:23:04 | CraHan | great |
| 20:23:11 | CraHan | the thing hangs here |
| 20:23:17 | CraHan | you remember the CF on /opt |
| 20:23:22 | CraHan | and install opie there? |
| 20:23:24 | CraHan | well |
| 20:23:27 | CraHan | it mounts |
| 20:23:30 | CraHan | but opie doesn't start |
| 20:23:31 | zeckeLovesCompaq | KitchenSync syncs Todolist just fine now |
| 20:23:46 | CraHan | even if I check if it's mounted and start opie manually |
| 20:23:55 | lanbo_ | hey, where is the info of the calendar storred? |
| 20:23:56 | CraHan | by running the /etc/init.d/qpe start script |
| 20:24:59 | CraHan | it says opie is starting |
| 20:25:08 | CraHan | and it just keeps showing the pinguin |
| 20:25:35 | kergoth | try sh -v /etc/init.d/qpe start |
| 20:25:39 | CraHan | k |
| 20:25:39 | kergoth | or edit qpe |
| 20:26:00 | kergoth | and change >/dev/null 2>/dev/null to >/var/log/qpe 2>&1 |
| 20:26:11 | kergoth | then /var/log/qpe would contain any errors issued by the qpe binary |
| 20:26:12 | CraHan | k |
| 20:27:39 | CraHan | hmmm /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: |
| 20:27:45 | CraHan | is what I get |
| 20:27:52 | CraHan | strange since the libraries should be ok |
| 20:28:02 | CraHan | i just installed to a CF mounted to /opt |
| 20:28:11 | CraHan | so it should all be in the correct location |
| 20:28:13 | kergoth | is QPEDIR set to /opt/QtPalmtop and $QPEDIR/lib in LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 20:28:19 | CraHan | lemme check |
| 20:28:54 | CraHan | yeah |
| 20:28:59 | ljp | I've decided I'm no good at tech support |
| 20:29:25 | ljp | a friend called me who needs to reset the CMOS |
| 20:29:30 | CraHan | it's there kergoth |
| 20:30:03 | CraHan | ooh |
| 20:30:04 | CraHan | hang on |
| 20:30:09 | CraHan | I installed to a vfat system |
| 20:30:12 | CraHan | and logically |
| 20:30:18 | CraHan | it can't symlink |
| 20:30:29 | CraHan | so it hasn't linked that library to .so.1 |
| 20:30:33 | CraHan | hence it can't find it |
| 20:30:47 | CraHan | i'll have to create another filesystem on the CF |
| 20:31:05 | CraHan | anyone find this to be a logical conclusion? |
| 20:32:08 | CraHan | and if so |
| 20:32:08 | treke_ | CraHan: Or copy the libs to .so.1 also |
| 20:32:23 | CraHan | what should I use though... if I wanna use another library? |
| 20:32:28 | CraHan | filesystem I mean |
| 20:32:32 | CraHan | ext2 or reiser? |
| 20:32:32 | treke_ | Although I'd recommend a new fs if its going to be a dedicated library |
| 20:32:47 | treke_ | would vote for jffs2 |
| 20:32:53 | CraHan | oh |
| 20:32:57 | treke_ | or ext2 |
| 20:32:57 | CraHan | yeah forgot about that |
| 20:33:02 | CraHan | jffs2 |
| 20:33:24 | treke_ | I think reiser has much more fs overhead than ext2 |
| 20:33:39 | kergoth | jffs2 on CF? blah. cf isnt a mtd device. |
| 20:33:59 | CraHan | ok |
| 20:34:08 | CraHan | so ext2 is the only viable option then? |
| 20:34:31 | kergoth | ext2 works fine |
| 20:34:34 | CraHan | cool |
| 20:34:37 | CraHan | will use that then |
| 20:34:41 | kergoth | course remember it wont work in a digital camera and stuff. hehe |
| 20:34:49 | treke_ | kergoth : I would think it would be a good choice. Doesnt cf has most of the same limiations of the flash rom? |
| 20:35:38 | kergoth | treke_: well its flash, if thats what you mean. |
| 20:35:51 | kergoth | treke_: so same write limitations and the like |
| 20:36:21 | CraHan | kergoth: taht's no problem |
| 20:36:27 | CraHan | since my opie install will be on it |
| 20:36:30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:36:50 | CraHan | i don't see me popping it into a digital camera :) |
| 20:37:15 | CraHan | ok |
| 20:37:24 | CraHan | here we go, second try |
| 20:49:27 | CraHan | ok |
| 20:49:30 | CraHan | works like a charm |
| 20:49:36 | CraHan | now to test if it boots correctly |
| 20:49:44 | treke_ | Yeah. Iused ext2 on mine. |
| 20:50:26 | CraHan | i never intended to use the card anywhere else anyway |
| 20:51:22 | CraHan | ook |
| 20:51:29 | CraHan | but booting is giving problems |
| 20:52:06 | CraHan | flashcard isn't detected fast enough |
| 20:52:25 | CraHan | so qpe tries to boot but the flashcard isn't there |
| 20:52:38 | CraHan | how can i solve that one |
| 20:52:58 | treke_ | try sleeping at the end of the mount script |
| 20:53:01 | treke_ | or maybe the beginning |
| 20:53:09 | CraHan | k |
| 20:53:19 | treke_ | also make sure ide-cs is modprobed |
| 20:54:12 | CraHan | add it to /etc/modules you mean? |
| 20:57:43 | CraHan | if I could run scripts from the ide.opts filr |
| 20:57:46 | CraHan | file |
| 20:57:54 | CraHan | I might be able to start opie from there |
| 21:01:30 | CraHan | hahahaha |
| 21:01:32 | CraHan | works |
| 21:01:40 | CraHan | i edited the /etc/pcmcia/ide file |
| 21:01:53 | CraHan | and for each start and stop added the qpe start and stop stuff |
| 21:01:59 | CraHan | so inserting the card starts opie |
| 21:02:07 | CraHan | removing the card stops opie |
| 21:03:09 | mark | spiralman: just redone the settings page so it fits |
| 21:04:06 | CraHan | perfect |
| 21:04:13 | CraHan | the thing even start opie when I boot it |
| 21:06:19 | Verxion | is there a key on the keyboard that is intended to exit an app in opie? |
| 21:10:15 | ljp | well.. on the Z.. escape key does |
| 21:11:21 | Verxion | ok |
| 21:11:34 | Verxion | and escape is ctrl right brace right? |
| 21:15:56 | ljp | dont know |
| 21:16:00 | Morn | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:16:06 | CraHan | time to install everything opie has to offetr |
| 21:16:10 | CraHan | nethack here i come |
| 21:16:21 | CraHan | bye bye boring trainriders to work |
| 21:16:38 | CraHan | s/trainriders/trainrides/ |
| 21:23:18 | lanbo_ | yeah!!! evolution script is working fine to syncronize the ipaq with korganizer....!!! Some default settings have to be modified from korganizer, but once you know it works fine :-D |
| 21:24:32 | noriko | btw, usbnet works fine on kernel 2.5.17 |
| 21:24:39 | mark | dlg_settings.cpp:47: no matching function for call to `setPageGeneral::setPageGeneral (QGridLayout *&, resource *&)' |
| 21:25:57 | mark | wtf is going on there |
| 21:32:35 | ljp | looks like your using conflicting & and * |
| 21:32:55 | lanbo_ | Is it safe to do the next thing?: mv /root /mnt/ramfs/root && ln -s /mnt/ramfs/root /root |
| 21:35:55 | ljp | bbl |
| 21:40:22 | mark_ | ljp: QGridLayout *generalLayout = new QGridLayout(FRAME_General); |
| 21:40:22 | mark_ | PAGE_General = new setPageGeneral(generalLayout,Resource); |
| 21:47:57 | noriko | is away [autogone:10/l:on] |
| 22:00:04 | spiralman | is back |
| 22:17:08 | leseb | hi, is there a schedule for opie 1.0 release? |
| 22:18:00 | kergoth | talk to zecke. he's been coordinating the release. |
| 22:18:40 | zeckeLovesCompaq | leseb: just verbal |
| 22:18:48 | zeckeLovesCompaq | leseb: ask Harlekin for fixed dates |
| 22:18:58 | zeckeLovesCompaq | leseb: but we're in a freeze |
| 22:24:30 | Harlekin | zeckeLovesCompaq: why me |
| 22:34:51 | gonz | spiralman: i got a mail from someone at sharpsec.com who said opie-sh-apps shouldn't create it's own launchertab - i answered it was decided by the opie-developers ;) |
| 22:35:23 | gonz | .. and he should come into irc and discuss if he likes hehe |
| 22:36:16 | gonz | spiralman: just two more downloads and we had 700 downloaded ipk's ;) (not including people who downloaded opie-sh from your site) |
| 22:37:25 | treke_ | tell them to go bitch at tkc at least opie-sh-apps has good reason to :) |
| 22:38:16 | Verxion | I need someone to help me test something |
| 22:38:20 | gonz | treke_: ;) |
| 22:38:25 | Verxion | I believe I may have stumbled into another opie bug |
| 22:38:43 | treke_ | tkc just likes being different |
| 22:39:05 | Verxion | can someone here use a keyboard of any type to type a "]" on it inside of konsole please? |
| 22:39:13 | Verxion | I need to know if it works for you |
| 22:39:19 | gonz | Verxion: will do |
| 22:39:30 | gonz | Verxion: the onscreen keyboard ? |
| 22:39:34 | Verxion | no |
| 22:39:39 | Verxion | a physical keyboard |
| 22:39:48 | Verxion | on a Z, or with a stowaway/microkbd |
| 22:40:05 | gonz | i can't do because i am connected through the ipaq with you... plugging usb out means no more internet to me ;) |
| 22:40:24 | Verxion | ahhh |
| 22:40:26 | Verxion | k |
| 22:41:14 | Verxion | you using zic? |
| 22:41:46 | gonz | Verxion: right now i am using a notebook with xchat, but zic is quite nice |
| 22:42:09 | gonz | notebook -<usbnet>- ipaq -<wavelan>- router right now ;) |
| 22:42:22 | Verxion | gonz: OHHHH, rofl |
| 22:42:49 | gonz | Verxion: it's cool - i have a notebook with broken pcmcia and so i can still use wavelan ;) |
| 22:44:21 | leseb | gonz: what's the difference between opie-sh and kaptain? didn't try opie-sh yet |
| 22:44:53 | Verxion | gonz: do you know what escape codes involve the "]" char? |
| 22:44:56 | gonz | leseb: a) opie-sh makes it usable directly from the shell |
| 22:45:03 | Verxion | is esc ^[ or ^] for instance? |
| 22:45:13 | gonz | leseb: b) opie-sh uses native shell scripts where kaptain implements its own "language" |
| 22:45:28 | gonz | Verxion; ^] |
| 22:46:25 | gonz | leseb: c) with opie-sh you can have icons for your apps in the normal launcher, i am not sure if this is possible with kaptain |
| 22:46:56 | Verxion | hrm |
| 22:47:11 | Verxion | I made a compaq microkbd kernel keyboard driver |
| 22:47:24 | Verxion | it works for every single character except for the right bracket: ] |
| 22:47:36 | Verxion | and as a result, it can't do shift right bracket either: } |
| 22:47:41 | Verxion | I cannot figure it out |
| 22:49:18 | gonz | Verxion: Oct Dec Hex Char = 135 93 5D ] |
| 22:49:35 | gonz | for escape this is 033 27 1B ESC |
| 22:49:49 | Verxion | well |
| 22:49:56 | Verxion | I think opie is interpretting it differently |
| 22:49:59 | Verxion | for instance |
| 22:50:09 | Verxion | if I tap the "A" key, it emits an "a" |
| 22:50:24 | Verxion | I can change the keysym in the driver to SKEY_LEFTBRACE |
| 22:50:30 | Verxion | and it properly emits a "[" |
| 22:50:38 | Verxion | but if I change it to SKEY_RIGHTBRACE |
| 22:50:42 | Verxion | it seems to emit an escape |
| 22:50:53 | Verxion | so it is like opie is mangling it or something |
| 22:52:01 | gonz | hmmm... embeddedkonsole needed to be hacked for ctrl-key though. people say something might be broken at qt level (but the qt people don't believe it and do noting about it) |
| 22:52:41 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 22:54:07 | Verxion | yeah, I wonder if somehow the konsole hack is affecting it |
| 22:54:10 | Verxion | that might be it! |
| 22:54:27 | Verxion | who did the konsole hack? |
| 22:54:28 | Verxion | ljp? |
| 22:54:30 | gonz | Verxion: well, you can easyly patch it off |
| 22:54:34 | Verxion | I can't remember who did it |
| 22:54:50 | gonz | i stole it from max weninger and completed it a little with a very helpful hint from ljp |
| 22:55:03 | Verxion | oh, so you implemented the hack? |
| 22:55:05 | gonz | well, not really stole... i kindly asked if he would contribute it ;) |
| 22:55:10 | Verxion | heh |
| 22:55:17 | Verxion | is it specific to konsole? |
| 22:55:24 | gonz | nope, max weninger did it with ctrl-c and ctrl-z and i added the rest from a-z ;) |
| 22:55:25 | Verxion | or does it affect the rest of opie? |
| 22:55:57 | gonz | where ljp made it work at the end ;) |
| 22:56:19 | gonz | it is specific to embeddedkonsole |
| 22:56:48 | noriko | hi |
| 22:56:58 | Verxion | ok |
| 22:57:01 | Verxion | then that probably isn't it |
| 22:57:07 | Verxion | I seem to be getting the problem in all apps |
| 22:57:28 | noriko | i play an mp3 with mediaplayer, the screensaver goes, it keeps playing for a minute, then stops, and the screensaver kicks out |
| 22:57:48 | Harlekin | Verxion: to really fix that ctrl problem, TT need to move |
| 22:57:52 | Harlekin | Verxion: its again a QT bug |
| 22:57:56 | noriko | i dont even want a screensaver |
| 22:58:11 | gonz | norika adjust the time values in the light-and-power app |
| 22:58:12 | Verxion | Harlekin: Well, do you understand what my current problem is? |
| 22:58:28 | Harlekin | Verxion: i ment, thats the same issue as with microkeyboard |
| 22:58:29 | noriko | gonz: can i just not have a screensaver? |
| 22:58:38 | gonz | noriko: dunno |
| 22:58:39 | noriko | what if i set it to 0 ? |
| 22:58:50 | Harlekin | Verxion: the whole keyboard handling in qte is horrible |
| 22:59:03 | Verxion | Harlekin: I cannot get the microkbd driver to send a "]" char to opie |
| 22:59:10 | Verxion | I don't know why |
| 22:59:13 | Verxion | but I can't. |
| 22:59:40 | Verxion | anyone here have a stowaway keyboard or a Z? |
| 23:00:02 | noriko | no but i cant wait to get one |
| 23:00:14 | Harlekin | Verxion: grabbed the keycode it generates? |
| 23:00:27 | Verxion | Harlekin: How can I do that in opie? |
| 23:00:30 | Verxion | I know how to do it in X |
| 23:00:33 | Verxion | but I am on opie |
| 23:00:46 | noriko | does mediaplayer have a max file size? |
| 23:00:52 | Harlekin | Verxion: write an app |
| 23:00:52 | Verxion | ljp! |
| 23:00:55 | Verxion | I need some help |
| 23:01:01 | Harlekin | noriko: mno |
| 23:01:03 | Verxion | perhaps you will be able to help me |
| 23:01:03 | Verxion | :) |
| 23:01:05 | gonz | noriko: it can do streaming, so i don't think it has |
| 23:01:17 | Harlekin | gonz: streaming is different |
| 23:01:23 | noriko | its kicking out my mp3s abruptly |
| 23:01:27 | Harlekin | gonz: since i only push the buffer full |
| 23:01:30 | noriko | im seeing what i can reproduce |
| 23:01:32 | Harlekin | gonz: no file size at all |
| 23:01:40 | Harlekin | noriko: spezifik time? |
| 23:01:46 | Verxion | ljp: Do you know of any reason why opie would transform a "]" char sent by a keyboard driver into an ESC? |
| 23:01:50 | noriko | lemmie see |
| 23:02:08 | spiralman | hmm... |
| 23:02:13 | spiralman | i think this laptop is shot... |
| 23:02:52 | gonz | spiralman: :O |
| 23:04:19 | noriko | it did it again |
| 23:04:29 | noriko | id say about 3 minutes |
| 23:05:00 | noriko | i have 4 mp3s on it |
| 23:05:10 | noriko | all cutting out after 3 minutes |
| 23:05:29 | ljp | hmm no idea |
| 23:06:21 | Harlekin | noriko: can you send me that mp3? |
| 23:06:37 | noriko | they play fine on my desktop |
| 23:07:24 | noriko | lemmie see something |
| 23:07:39 | spiralman | htat doesnt mean they will play fine w/ a completely different decoder... |
| 23:07:53 | Verxion | well |
| 23:07:56 | Verxion | this is irritating |
| 23:07:59 | Verxion | no right bracket |
| 23:08:10 | noriko | 4 mp3s from 4 diff sources |
| 23:08:20 | Harlekin | noriko: send me one please |
| 23:09:00 | gonz | Verxion: can't you make the driver change ] to some other key or something ? |
| 23:09:17 | noriko | ok |
| 23:09:18 | gonz | Verxion: or tell the driver to accept ESC as ] ? |
| 23:09:19 | Verxion | gonz: What do you mean? |
| 23:09:20 | noriko | the problem is |
| 23:09:35 | noriko | mediaplayer is saying they're all 3:46 |
| 23:09:43 | noriko | 3:46seconds |
| 23:09:53 | noriko | regarless of size or length |
| 23:10:28 | spiralman | perhaps the headers got messed up when you transfered them to your ipaq... |
| 23:10:49 | noriko | i think they were working this morning though |
| 23:11:03 | noriko | Sent DCC SEND request (One_Day-Springs_Eternal_Mix.mp3 5967872) to Harlekin |
| 23:11:05 | Harlekin | noriko: its hard to guess from here |
| 23:11:07 | noriko | goto |
| 23:11:14 | noriko | www.obses.org/mp3 |
| 23:11:20 | noriko | those are the mp3s on it |
| 23:11:20 | Verxion | looks like I can't send an ESC either |
| 23:11:30 | Harlekin | noriko: its dccing now -) |
| 23:11:33 | noriko | k |
| 23:13:34 | Verxion | anyone know of an opie app I can use the delete key in? |
| 23:15:18 | Verxion | I am pretty convinced my driver is doing the correct thing |
| 23:20:27 | Verxion | hey |
| 23:20:38 | Verxion | if I want to disable usbf |
| 23:20:41 | Verxion | eh, nevermind |
| 23:21:37 | Harlekin | ifdown |
| 23:21:48 | VerxIPAQ | howdy |
| 23:22:06 | VerxIPAQ | this microkbd with wireless is nice |
| 23:22:10 | spiralman | hey |
| 23:22:16 | VerxIPAQ | very portable |
| 23:22:38 | VerxIPAQ | just wish I had right bracket is all |
| 23:23:15 | Verxion | ok |
| 23:23:22 | Verxion | enough of the kernel hacking for a little while |
| 23:23:32 | Verxion | I am pretty sure the right bracket is an opie/qt bug |
| 23:23:50 | Verxion | just wish I could find someone here that had a keyboard to verify for me |
| 23:24:55 | Harlekin | software keyboard has that brackets |
| 23:25:08 | Harlekin | and real keyboard does them to on x86 |
| 23:28:28 | Verxion | I don't understand Harlekin |
| 23:28:31 | Verxion | what do you mean? |
| 23:31:41 | Harlekin | they work with real keyboards |
| 23:31:55 | gonz | Verxion: what does the escape-key emmit ? |
| 23:32:43 | Verxion | gonz: Interestingly, it looks like the escape key isn't working either |
| 23:33:30 | gonz | does it emmit nothing ? |
| 23:33:46 | Verxion | well, I have NO program to tell me WHAT it is emitting |
| 23:33:47 | Verxion | :( |
| 23:34:01 | Harlekin | Verxion: write one |
| 23:34:47 | Harlekin | noriko: length 7:16 |
| 23:34:53 | Harlekin | noriko: it tells me here |
| 23:35:04 | Harlekin | noriko: recent opie feedß |
| 23:35:07 | Harlekin | ? |
| 23:36:04 | Verxion | harlekin: I don't know any Qt |
| 23:36:42 | Harlekin | noriko: still there? |
| 23:37:13 | gonz | Verxion: there is "show-key" in console-tools*rpm on x86 |
| 23:38:42 | noriko | sorry |
| 23:39:04 | noriko | mediaplayer says its 3:46 |
| 23:39:22 | Harlekin | noriko: you you have opie-mpegplayer installed or opie-mediaplayer? |
| 23:39:32 | noriko | yes |
| 23:39:42 | noriko | media player |
| 23:39:45 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:39:50 | Harlekin | so newest version |
| 23:39:51 | Harlekin | strange |
| 23:39:56 | noriko | from yesterday |
| 23:39:58 | Harlekin | works here like it should |
| 23:40:03 | noriko | im trying to reupload |
| 23:40:43 | Harlekin | noriko: and opie-libmadplugin |
| 23:40:46 | Harlekin | is also installed |
| 23:40:52 | noriko | yes |
| 23:40:57 | Harlekin | i mean a recent one |
| 23:41:01 | noriko | from yesterday |
| 23:41:01 | Harlekin | same new feed |
| 23:41:03 | Harlekin | k |
| 23:41:05 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:41:06 | Harlekin | strange |
| 23:41:17 | noriko | i think i may have rebooted it |
| 23:41:29 | noriko | and those files are on ramfs |
| 23:41:32 | noriko | so ida know |
| 23:41:54 | noriko | uploads sure are a lot faster with usb though |
| 23:42:52 | Harlekin | spiralman: how big id knights with chess engine |
| 23:43:08 | spiralman | Harlekin: gnuchess is about 200k |
| 23:43:13 | Harlekin | only |
| 23:43:20 | Harlekin | i thouht it was much more |
| 23:43:22 | spiralman | Harlekin: knights is about 500 (i think) |
| 23:43:22 | Harlekin | cool |
| 23:43:30 | spiralman | Harlekin: no, i striped it, and it cut it in half... |
| 23:43:32 | noriko | ok |
| 23:43:37 | Harlekin | spiralman: so what about gnuchess, also check it into our cvs |
| 23:43:39 | Harlekin | in juneß |
| 23:43:48 | spiralman | Harlekin: ok... |
| 23:44:02 | Harlekin | spiralman: not sure, or just supply knights |
| 23:44:11 | Harlekin | and gnuchess should end up in familiar |
| 23:44:21 | spiralman | Harlekin: well, personally, i think gnuchess should end up in familiar as well |
| 23:44:33 | Harlekin | spiralman: so not at all in opie cvs |
| 23:44:34 | spiralman | Harlekin: ill join the mailing list and submit it... |
| 23:44:49 | gonz | Verxion: something like http://cvs.debian.org/~checkout~/obsolete/bf-utf/newt/showkey.c?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-csrc&sortby=file should do |
| 23:45:25 | gonz | Verxion: one could even think of patching the termcap, or am i wrong ? |
| 23:45:31 | noriko | it |
| 23:49:07 | Harlekin | noriko: ? |
| 23:55:14 | Harlekin | noriko: ? |
| 23:56:50 | Merlin83b | Dammit. Why does my iPAQ keep switching itself on just before 1am? |
| 23:58:28 | ljp | I think it has to do that to set alarms correctly |
| 23:58:43 | ljp | should be midnight tho |
| 23:59:06 | Merlin83b | Well, I'm at GMT+1, so that'd make sense. |
| 23:59:10 | Harlekin | but is not really needed |
| 23:59:12 | Merlin83b | It has to turn on to set alarms? Crappy. |
| 23:59:19 | Harlekin | i will clear that a linuxtag |
| 23:59:24 | spiralman | fscking tv station, depriving me of the simpsons... |
| 23:59:45 | Merlin83b | Harlekin: Huh? |