| 00:12:06 | jusdisgi | brb...gotta get dinner |
| 00:12:10 | spiralman | k |
| 00:23:14 | ljp_hatesHisCar | helllooooooo...anyone hhhheeeeerrrrreeeeee????? |
| 00:23:44 | spiralman | hey |
| 00:23:56 | jusdisgi | word |
| 00:25:42 | spiralman | does anybody here use evolution? |
| 00:26:47 | spiralman | i ask because i think somebody should document syncing with it on the wiki page... |
| 00:26:55 | ljp_hates_QWest | I've used it a couple times.. |
| 00:27:03 | jusdisgi | spiral; did that new feed get put up? |
| 00:27:18 | ljp_hates_QWest | the wiki can be updated by anyone.. |
| 00:27:48 | spiralman | jusdisgi: no idea, let me check |
| 00:28:20 | spiralman | ljp_hates_QWest: i know, but i dont use gnome, so id rather not go through the hassle of compiling and settting up evolution, just to document its use |
| 00:28:36 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehehehe.. oh |
| 00:28:51 | jusdisgi | what happened to kergoth |
| 00:28:54 | spiralman | ljp_hates_QWest: i already spent all day yesterday documenting qtopia desktop and intellisync, neither of which i use |
| 00:29:01 | ljp_hates_QWest | I use gnome rarely when I get tired of kde, or windowmaker, or blackbox, |
| 00:29:20 | jusdisgi | i've always disliked gnome |
| 00:29:22 | spiralman | jusdisgi: no new feed yet |
| 00:29:28 | spiralman | yeah, im not a big gnome fan |
| 00:29:46 | spiralman | dont like gtk, and i dont like rms... |
| 00:30:22 | ljp_hates_QWest | like gnome.. as a user. as a developer.. its horrendous |
| 00:30:26 | jusdisgi | i think i like rms better than miguel |
| 00:30:32 | ljp_hates_QWest | heh. |
| 00:31:27 | spiralman | hmm, i prefer kde's interface to gnome's actually |
| 00:31:42 | spiralman | in general, i think sdi works better than mdi |
| 00:31:48 | ljp_hates_QWest | I like em both. but prefer kde |
| 00:31:49 | spiralman | less micromanaging of windows |
| 00:32:06 | spiralman | rather, mdi is better than sdi |
| 00:32:12 | spiralman | in my opinion |
| 00:32:38 | ljp_hates_QWest | I also prefer rum to beer or grog |
| 00:33:00 | ljp_hates_QWest | heh |
| 00:33:22 | ljp_hates_QWest | I couldn't live without gimp, tho |
| 00:33:49 | ljp_hates_QWest | too bad ya have to have all that crap gnome to use gimp |
| 00:34:18 | spiralman | yeah |
| 00:34:22 | spiralman | : ) |
| 00:34:51 | ljp_hates_QWest | someone needs to port gimp to kde... heh kimp |
| 00:35:18 | ljp_hates_QWest | then someone else could port kimp to qpe |
| 00:35:37 | ljp_hates_QWest | then we could name it oimp |
| 00:35:40 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehe |
| 00:36:31 | ljp_hates_QWest | I should go work on my car.. but I don't feel like it |
| 00:37:44 | spiralman | whats wrong w/ it? |
| 00:38:19 | ljp_hates_QWest | a coupling from the thermostat housing to the heater core broke, and I should replace it.. |
| 00:39:01 | ljp_hates_QWest | but I have to dig crap out of the threads.. parts from the rusted, corroded coupling |
| 00:40:42 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm actually.. I do feel like it.. heh bbl |
| 00:59:28 | VerxHome | does anyone have strip compiled for the iPAQ? :) |
| 00:59:59 | VerxHome | cuz the new feed isn't up yet |
| 01:00:11 | spiralman | the skiffs do |
| 01:00:27 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 01:00:34 | VerxHome | I need to get the bin onto my ipaq |
| 01:00:39 | VerxHome | so I can strip all the stuff on it |
| 01:00:47 | VerxHome | apparently they forgot to strip every single opie binary |
| 01:00:48 | spiralman | yes |
| 01:00:52 | spiralman | i know |
| 01:01:16 | VerxHome | remember yesterday when I was saying it felt like everything was a lot bigger? :) |
| 01:01:25 | spiralman | you can get the arm version of strip off the skiff clusters |
| 01:01:32 | VerxHome | I was even asking sandman if he had done anything weird |
| 01:01:40 | VerxHome | ok |
| 01:01:40 | spiralman | VerxHome: yes, i was here when kergoth realised that he hadnt striped the binaries |
| 01:01:46 | VerxHome | can I ftp to the skiff clusters? |
| 01:01:58 | VerxHome | I don't think I have a skiff account |
| 01:02:07 | spiralman | guest, no password... |
| 01:02:08 | VerxHome | (I was hoping to just ftp directly from my ipaq to get it) |
| 01:02:18 | VerxHome | ok, thanks |
| 01:02:31 | spiralman | its big |
| 01:02:38 | spiralman | and youl need libbfd off of that... |
| 01:02:38 | VerxHome | really? |
| 01:02:47 | spiralman | yeah, but it on ram... |
| 01:02:47 | VerxHome | lib bfd? |
| 01:02:59 | spiralman | yeah, libbfd.so.some long version |
| 01:03:00 | VerxHome | what does the bfd stand for? |
| 01:03:05 | spiralman | you can get it on the skiff as well |
| 01:03:06 | VerxHome | ok |
| 01:03:12 | spiralman | no idea, just know that it needs it |
| 01:05:57 | VerxHome | trying to find the address of the clusters |
| 01:06:20 | sgodsell | VerxHome: Do you mean the skiffclusters |
| 01:06:22 | sgodsell | ? |
| 01:06:44 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 01:06:50 | VerxHome | I haven't ever used them before |
| 01:06:59 | sgodsell | telnet skiffcluster3.handhelds.org |
| 01:07:01 | VerxHome | I know I once found a page buried on a handhelds.org site |
| 01:07:04 | VerxHome | but I can't find it now |
| 01:07:06 | VerxHome | thanks |
| 01:07:08 | VerxHome | lemme ftp to it |
| 01:07:26 | sgodsell | Greetings treke |
| 01:07:34 | VerxHome | guest with no password, right? |
| 01:08:10 | spiralman | yep |
| 01:08:18 | VerxHome | I can telnet |
| 01:08:21 | VerxHome | but ftp doesn't work |
| 01:08:30 | VerxHome | it won't accept the blank password |
| 01:09:36 | spiralman | hmmm |
| 01:09:46 | spiralman | ftp worked on skiffcluster1 last night |
| 01:09:56 | spiralman | they are very unstable... |
| 01:10:19 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 01:10:28 | VerxHome | are the directories constant across the clusters? |
| 01:10:33 | spiralman | no clue |
| 01:10:39 | spiralman | it was in /usr/bin on 1 |
| 01:10:44 | spiralman | and /usr/lib for that lib |
| 01:15:07 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:22:21 | VerxHome | looks like opieftp can't connect to it |
| 01:22:23 | VerxHome | but winxp can |
| 01:22:27 | VerxHome | that is dissapointing |
| 01:23:32 | spiralman | i think you need passive ftp support |
| 01:23:41 | spiralman | to get past the hh.org firewall |
| 01:23:45 | spiralman | at least, you used to |
| 01:23:53 | spiralman | maybe that was tt, actually |
| 01:24:30 | VerxHome | ok, trying to figure the easiest way to get these files onto the ipaq |
| 01:24:34 | VerxHome | . . . . |
| 01:24:36 | VerxHome | prolly rz |
| 01:24:39 | VerxHome | unfortunately |
| 01:24:44 | VerxHome | thinks |
| 01:25:12 | spiralman | wget? |
| 01:25:22 | spiralman | it supports ftp |
| 01:25:26 | VerxHome | heheh, that might just work |
| 01:41:48 | Verxion | looks like I have strip on the IPAQ now |
| 01:41:59 | Verxion | trying to strip libqte, god help me |
| 01:41:59 | Verxion | :) |
| 01:42:06 | spiralman | hehe |
| 01:43:47 | Verxion | -it says no space left on device |
| 01:43:49 | Verxion | bummer |
| 01:43:58 | kergoth | re |
| 01:44:02 | kergoth | Feed is updated. |
| 01:44:35 | Verxion | kergoth |
| 01:44:47 | Verxion | what would be the quickest way to update all the bins I have on my device? |
| 01:44:48 | spiralman | awesome |
| 01:45:00 | Verxion | kergoth: Thanks a ton by the way for the quick response on this |
| 01:46:03 | kergoth | Verxion: no problem |
| 01:46:14 | kergoth | please test everything so i know i didnt slip up.. hehe |
| 01:46:23 | Verxion | heheh |
| 01:46:36 | Verxion | can I tell ipkg to go out and grab new versions of everything? |
| 01:46:40 | Verxion | or must I update manually? |
| 01:46:54 | kergoth | ipkg update && ipkg upgrade; |
| 01:47:04 | kergoth | assuming you have the feed in ipkg.conf and you have net access from your ipaq. |
| 01:47:14 | Verxion | yes on both counts |
| 01:47:23 | kergoth | good good |
| 01:47:24 | Verxion | I am currently stripping the libqte library |
| 01:47:34 | Verxion | and it looks like it is gonna take a good long while |
| 01:47:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:47:41 | Verxion | (doing it on the ipaq itself) |
| 01:47:42 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:47:46 | kergoth | oh thats one thing |
| 01:47:49 | Verxion | eh? |
| 01:47:53 | kergoth | shit. i forgot to increment the qt-embeddded version number again |
| 01:47:55 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 01:47:56 | kergoth | brb |
| 01:48:08 | Verxion | actually, I just realized |
| 01:48:14 | Verxion | I probably can't strip this library |
| 01:48:18 | Verxion | everything is USING it right now |
| 01:48:21 | kergoth | why bother? the new packages are stripped. |
| 01:48:24 | kergoth | you can strip it while its in use |
| 01:48:29 | Verxion | oh, ok |
| 01:48:39 | Verxion | well, I can't do a ctrl-c |
| 01:48:46 | Verxion | the frigging jumpx doesn't support it |
| 01:48:48 | ljp_hates_QWest | ya its not like widows that would crash if you tried that |
| 01:49:07 | ljp_hates_QWest | you mean qte doesn't support it |
| 01:49:24 | Verxion | qte supports it fine |
| 01:49:32 | Verxion | jumpx just didn't implement it |
| 01:49:34 | Verxion | that's all |
| 01:49:37 | ljp_hates_QWest | nope. not from input methods |
| 01:49:43 | ljp_hates_QWest | its not jumpx.. |
| 01:49:50 | ljp_hates_QWest | trust me |
| 01:49:51 | Verxion | all you have to do is |
| 01:49:55 | Verxion | if the user taps a ctrl |
| 01:49:57 | Verxion | set a flag |
| 01:50:01 | Verxion | then if they tap c |
| 01:50:04 | Verxion | know it is a ctrl-c |
| 01:50:09 | Verxion | because the flag was set |
| 01:50:14 | Verxion | no biggie |
| 01:50:25 | Verxion | the app doesn't keep the ctrl key highlighted when I tap it |
| 01:50:26 | ljp_hates_QWest | mmm hmmmm. |
| 01:50:26 | kergoth | Verxion: it does. the modifier gets lost. its been discussed |
| 01:50:29 | Verxion | it just blinks on and then off |
| 01:50:36 | kergoth | yeah it doesnt APPEAR to be sticky but it is |
| 01:50:39 | kergoth | Verxion: try alt+something |
| 01:50:40 | Verxion | oh |
| 01:50:54 | Verxion | same deal |
| 01:50:56 | Verxion | it blinks |
| 01:51:00 | Verxion | doesn't stay lit like it should |
| 01:51:05 | kergoth | annoying eh |
| 01:51:11 | Verxion | incredibly |
| 01:51:11 | ljp_hates_QWest | its not jumpx |
| 01:51:18 | kergoth | yeah i know ljp. |
| 01:51:30 | Verxion | but not as annoying as the tap-that-sticks-only-when-you-hit-a-key-like-d-or-x-in-vi |
| 01:51:30 | ljp_hates_QWest | I know you know.. |
| 01:51:31 | kergoth | but it still LOOKS like it isnt sticky. it doesnt appear to stay down the way shift does. |
| 01:51:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:51:36 | Verxion | THAT is incredibly annoying |
| 01:51:49 | kergoth | Verxion: the keyboard sticky bug on ipaqs is fixed... |
| 01:52:00 | ljp_hates_QWest | verx: try a new embeddedkonsole made after this morning from cvs |
| 01:52:08 | Verxion | kergoth: what was it? |
| 01:52:28 | kergoth | Verxion: kernel bug. grab the latest kernel |
| 01:52:34 | Verxion | k |
| 01:52:47 | Verxion | goddamn, how long is this strip gonna take?!?!? |
| 01:52:59 | Verxion | bbiaf |
| 01:53:09 | Verxion | taking a shower, then buying tickets for episode 2 |
| 01:53:11 | spiralman | Verxion: a long time |
| 01:54:38 | kergoth | okay i incremented the qt version. |
| 01:54:44 | SS|dryice | hi |
| 01:55:53 | ljp_hates_QWest | I really like the new opie background |
| 02:01:17 | Verxion | goddamn |
| 02:01:21 | Verxion | the thing is still running |
| 02:01:27 | Verxion | ok, killing it |
| 02:03:07 | Verxion | the upgrade is running now |
| 02:03:19 | Verxion | that will ONLY update the packages I have installed, right? |
| 02:03:35 | spiralman | yes |
| 02:03:52 | Verxion | cool |
| 02:04:01 | Verxion | hopefully it won't take forevert |
| 02:04:04 | kergoth | please report bugs :-) |
| 02:05:14 | Verxion | I will kergoth |
| 02:05:24 | Verxion | you say this as though you expect there to be a million of them. . . |
| 02:05:46 | spiralman | there are always bugs |
| 02:05:55 | spiralman | ... |
| 02:07:12 | Verxion | looks like it is installing things fine |
| 02:07:18 | Verxion | I just hope I don't hit anything too nasty |
| 02:07:33 | kergoth | spiralman: precisely |
| 02:07:35 | Verxion | otherwise I can't read my ebooks in the movie theatre while waiting for episode 2 to start |
| 02:07:57 | spiralman | i doubt there will be anything too nasty |
| 02:08:15 | spiralman | at the end of the week, the feature freeze starts, so feature adding has slowed down... |
| 02:08:18 | Verxion | I temporarily moved the konqueror bin to ram for this upgrade |
| 02:08:23 | Verxion | so there would be some free space |
| 02:08:32 | Verxion | will that harm the upgrade of konqueror itself? |
| 02:08:47 | spiralman | hmm, possible |
| 02:08:58 | spiralman | if kergoth even changed konq |
| 02:09:07 | kergoth | spiralman: hey thanks for reminding me |
| 02:09:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:09:08 | spiralman | if konq still has the same version number, it wont even try |
| 02:09:13 | Verxion | ok |
| 02:09:14 | kergoth | i forgot to test my new konq ipk |
| 02:09:19 | kergoth | anyone want to test it? |
| 02:09:19 | Verxion | it is doing libqte right now |
| 02:09:21 | kergoth | its not on a feed |
| 02:09:22 | Verxion | taking a long time |
| 02:10:03 | Verxion | what is different about it kergoth? |
| 02:12:59 | kergoth | i think its stripped this time |
| 02:13:01 | kergoth | *g* |
| 02:18:18 | spiralman | hmm |
| 02:18:22 | spiralman | opie-rotation is 1.5mb |
| 02:18:24 | spiralman | ? |
| 02:18:30 | spiralman | just the ipk file... |
| 02:18:38 | spiralman | wait |
| 02:18:44 | spiralman | neverming, misread the output |
| 02:18:49 | spiralman | nevermind even |
| 02:20:26 | spiralman | hmm, that SS|dryice guy installed opie while you were upgrading the feed, and got a bug from that, so he immediatly went to X : ( |
| 02:20:30 | spiralman | oh well... |
| 02:30:01 | spiralman | hmm, i have no background after running ipkg upgrade |
| 02:30:22 | spiralman | background image, that is |
| 02:30:29 | ljp_hates_QWest | do you have libjpeg installed? |
| 02:30:39 | spiralman | i think so |
| 02:31:42 | spiralman | yes |
| 02:31:53 | inode | when trying to get opie compiled i get this error, could someone help?: |
| 02:31:56 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:31:56 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:31:57 | inode | In file included from mainwindow.cpp:30: |
| 02:31:57 | inode | utils.h:18:41: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:31:58 | inode | mainwindow.cpp: In method `void MainWindow::setDocument (const QString |
| 02:31:58 | inode | &)': |
| 02:31:59 | inode | mainwindow.cpp:405: `exit' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 02:32:01 | inode | mainwindow.cpp:405: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 02:32:03 | inode | for each function it appears in.) |
| 02:32:05 | inode | make[1]: *** [mainwindow.o] Error 1 |
| 02:32:07 | inode | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/inode/src/cvs/opie/core/oipkg' |
| 02:32:09 | inode | make: *** [core/oipkg] Error 2 |
| 02:32:26 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm |
| 02:32:37 | ljp_hates_QWest | cvs up? |
| 02:32:49 | ljp_hates_QWest | oohh |
| 02:32:58 | inode | its only a few hrs old |
| 02:33:12 | ljp_hates_QWest | change exit( to ::exit( maybe |
| 02:34:58 | inode | heres the whol error |
| 02:35:15 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:35:15 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:35:15 | inode | In file included from packagelistdoclnk.h:5, |
| 02:35:15 | inode | from mainwindow.h:12, |
| 02:35:16 | inode | from mainwindow.cpp:4: |
| 02:35:16 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:35:17 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:35:19 | inode | In file included from pmipkg.h:13, |
| 02:35:21 | inode | from mainwindow.h:13, |
| 02:35:23 | inode | from mainwindow.cpp:4: |
| 02:35:25 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:35:27 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:35:29 | inode | In file included from mainwindow.cpp:30: |
| 02:35:31 | inode | utils.h:18:41: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:35:33 | inode | mainwindow.cpp: In method `void MainWindow::setDocument (const QString |
| 02:35:35 | inode | &)': |
| 02:35:37 | inode | mainwindow.cpp:405: `exit' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 02:35:39 | inode | mainwindow.cpp:405: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 02:35:41 | inode | for each function it appears in.) |
| 02:35:43 | inode | make: *** [mainwindow.o] Error 1 |
| 02:35:57 | inode | here is mainwindow.o (the error lines): |
| 02:36:03 | inode | void MainWindow::setDocument(const QString &fileName) |
| 02:36:05 | inode | { |
| 02:36:07 | inode | if ( !QFile::exists( fileName ) ) return; |
| 02:36:09 | inode | ipkg->installFile( fileName ); |
| 02:36:11 | inode | QCopEnvelope e("QPE/System", "linkChanged(QString)"); |
| 02:36:13 | inode | QString lf = QString::null; |
| 02:36:15 | inode | e << lf; |
| 02:36:17 | inode | exit; |
| 02:36:19 | inode | } |
| 02:37:36 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehhehehehehheheh hahahahhahah hohohoohohohoh |
| 02:37:55 | ljp_hates_QWest | try exit(); |
| 02:37:56 | spiralman | should be exit() |
| 02:37:58 | spiralman | hehe |
| 02:38:12 | ljp_hates_QWest | who changed that file last? |
| 02:38:16 | inode | ok |
| 02:38:26 | spiralman | ljp_hates_QWest: check cvs, it says |
| 02:38:38 | spiralman | ljp_hates_QWest: then beat them with a printout of the ansi c spec |
| 02:38:45 | spiralman | ; ) |
| 02:38:54 | inode | did fix it |
| 02:39:01 | inode | s/did/didnt |
| 02:39:05 | spiralman | hmm |
| 02:39:21 | inode | check this |
| 02:39:37 | inode | /home/inode/src/tar/qt/qt-2.3.2/bin/uic pksettingsbase.ui -o ./pksettingsbase.h |
| 02:39:37 | inode | g++ -c -I/home/inode/src/tar/qt/qt-2.3.2/include -pipe -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -O2 -Wall -W -I/home/inode/src/cvs/opie/include -o main.o main.cpp |
| 02:39:37 | inode | In file included from packagelist.h:7, |
| 02:39:38 | inode | from mainwindow.h:9, |
| 02:39:39 | inode | from main.cpp:2: |
| 02:39:39 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:39:41 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:39:43 | inode | In file included from packagelistdoclnk.h:5, |
| 02:39:45 | inode | from mainwindow.h:12, |
| 02:39:47 | inode | from main.cpp:2: |
| 02:39:49 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:39:51 | inode | debug.h:21:6: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 02:39:53 | inode | In file included from pmipkg.h:13, |
| 02:39:59 | spiralman | hehe |
| 02:40:07 | spiralman | dont output those no newline errors |
| 02:40:10 | inode | lol |
| 02:40:15 | spiralman | they are warnings anyway |
| 02:40:29 | spiralman | add a newline at the end of debug.h and they will go away |
| 02:40:58 | inode | how ?? \ ? |
| 02:41:15 | spiralman | open the file, go to the end |
| 02:41:17 | spiralman | hit enter |
| 02:41:19 | spiralman | then save it |
| 02:41:40 | spiralman | in unix, every text file should end w/ a newline |
| 02:41:46 | spiralman | makes parsing easier |
| 02:42:00 | spiralman | really, everywhere it should be like that, but whatever |
| 02:42:11 | inode | ok it fixed that but still errors out |
| 02:42:16 | spiralman | ys |
| 02:42:21 | spiralman | just give us the error |
| 02:42:50 | inode | mainwindow.cpp:405: `exit' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 02:42:50 | inode | mainwindow.cpp:405: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 02:42:50 | inode | for each function it appears in.) |
| 02:42:51 | inode | make: *** [mainwindow.o] Error 1 |
| 02:43:19 | spiralman | ok, and you added the ()? |
| 02:43:26 | spiralman | yeah... |
| 02:43:26 | inode | exit(); |
| 02:43:33 | spiralman | what app is this in? |
| 02:43:49 | inode | oipkg |
| 02:44:14 | spiralman | where is that in cvs? |
| 02:44:30 | inode | i guess i dont really need that right now i could by pass it with Makefile |
| 02:44:38 | inode | yes |
| 02:44:48 | spiralman | no, i mean, under what directory |
| 02:45:04 | ljp_hates_QWest | try ::exit(0); |
| 02:45:06 | inode | opie/core/oipkg |
| 02:46:03 | spiralman | k, hold on |
| 02:46:21 | inode | look like that did it |
| 02:46:27 | spiralman | thats odd |
| 02:46:35 | spiralman | if that was the problem there should be a different error |
| 02:46:38 | inode | yup that worked |
| 02:46:54 | spiralman | listing all the possible prototypes that you could have meant |
| 02:47:03 | spiralman | oh well, strange |
| 02:47:05 | inode | thnx guys |
| 02:47:10 | spiralman | at least it worked |
| 02:50:22 | ljp_hates_QWest | no, because its just exit; |
| 02:50:45 | ljp_hates_QWest | but its the same here.. and compiles fine.. |
| 02:50:49 | spiralman | but he changed it to exit(), and got the same error |
| 02:50:52 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmmm |
| 02:51:08 | Verxion | ok |
| 02:51:12 | Verxion | it failed miserably |
| 02:51:14 | spiralman | when he should have gotten the "possible candidates" error... |
| 02:51:16 | Verxion | no space left on device |
| 02:51:22 | Verxion | I couldn't do the upgrade |
| 02:51:24 | Verxion | criminy |
| 02:51:38 | spiralman | Verxion: how much free space did you have? |
| 02:51:45 | Verxion | 3MB |
| 02:51:56 | spiralman | weird |
| 02:52:05 | spiralman | i only had 1.5 left, and it worked for me... |
| 02:52:24 | Verxion | it got to libqte |
| 02:52:30 | Verxion | said no free space left on device |
| 02:52:32 | Verxion | segfaulted |
| 02:52:34 | Verxion | and died |
| 02:52:35 | inode | damn new error |
| 02:52:41 | spiralman | were you running opie while you were upgrading? |
| 02:52:46 | Verxion | yes |
| 02:52:47 | Verxion | I had to |
| 02:52:50 | inode | i'll be back in a few |
| 02:52:51 | spiralman | Verxion: you had to? |
| 02:52:54 | spiralman | inode: k |
| 02:53:01 | Verxion | at the time, I didn't have my serial cable |
| 02:53:03 | Verxion | now I do |
| 02:53:08 | spiralman | Verxion: no ssh? |
| 02:53:15 | spiralman | Verxion: with usb? |
| 02:53:33 | Verxion | ssh is screwed on familiar |
| 02:53:40 | spiralman | hmm, it works for me |
| 02:53:46 | Verxion | I have to upgrade all my ssh clients everywhere |
| 02:53:49 | Verxion | and I haven't done that yet |
| 02:53:53 | spiralman | ok |
| 02:57:02 | Verxion | ok, redoing the upgrade now |
| 02:57:07 | Verxion | hopefully it will run better this time |
| 02:58:09 | Verxion | looks like I have a REALLY good chance of getting a 3850 |
| 02:58:23 | spiralman | thats cool |
| 02:58:25 | Verxion | I will have one to test within 2 weeks |
| 02:58:33 | spiralman | btw, the SD slot cant be supported by open source drivers |
| 02:58:35 | Verxion | and might have one of my own literally tomorrow |
| 02:58:45 | Verxion | I thought the zaurus had an SD slot |
| 02:58:48 | spiralman | mmc support for it can, but not actuall SD support |
| 02:58:51 | spiralman | yes, closed drivers |
| 02:59:01 | Verxion | I don't follow |
| 02:59:02 | Verxion | mmc? |
| 02:59:05 | Verxion | what is mmc? |
| 02:59:18 | spiralman | multi media card |
| 02:59:30 | spiralman | works in an sd slot |
| 02:59:33 | Verxion | is that a different way of writing to sd cards? |
| 02:59:38 | Verxion | or different physical cards? |
| 02:59:44 | spiralman | but is slower, and not "secure" |
| 03:00:02 | spiralman | i believe its physically different, but has the same formfactor |
| 03:00:14 | spiralman | and works in any sd slot |
| 03:00:21 | Verxion | how does it compare to CF in terms of speed? |
| 03:00:21 | spiralman | (if the software supports it) |
| 03:00:25 | spiralman | no clue |
| 03:04:04 | spiralman | somebody could always release closed SD drivers, and give them away for free, and then it would work... |
| 03:05:11 | ljp_hates_QWest | I'm sure the license costs money, tho |
| 03:05:19 | spiralman | yeah, probably |
| 03:05:22 | spiralman | although, im not sure |
| 03:05:55 | spiralman | SD has copyprotection bs built in, which is why it has to be closed |
| 03:06:02 | spiralman | to protect the riaa's pockets |
| 03:06:28 | Verxion | ok |
| 03:06:31 | Verxion | have a meg free now |
| 03:06:35 | Verxion | instead of 300K |
| 03:06:35 | spiralman | cool |
| 03:06:39 | spiralman | : ) |
| 03:06:48 | Verxion | now to see if stuff still runs |
| 03:06:48 | Verxion | :) |
| 03:06:55 | spiralman | i went from 1.5 (after stripping about half of /opt/qt/bin to 2.08) |
| 03:07:23 | Verxion | um |
| 03:07:25 | Verxion | weird |
| 03:07:29 | Verxion | no background image now? |
| 03:07:38 | spiralman | yeah, its a jpeg |
| 03:07:47 | spiralman | and qt support for jpeg isnt good |
| 03:07:52 | Verxion | mine is a white background |
| 03:07:56 | spiralman | yes |
| 03:08:01 | ljp_hates_QWest | install appearance |
| 03:08:03 | Verxion | which actually looks nicer in my opinion |
| 03:08:04 | spiralman | the new background image is a jpg image |
| 03:08:26 | ljp_hates_QWest | yes I know.. |
| 03:08:40 | Verxion | ok |
| 03:08:43 | Verxion | I have appearance |
| 03:08:46 | ljp_hates_QWest | its about 1/4 the size of the png |
| 03:08:47 | Verxion | it has a COOL new image |
| 03:08:48 | spiralman | ljp_hates_QWest: i cant select the image in appearance |
| 03:08:54 | Verxion | but it isn't on my background |
| 03:09:02 | Verxion | how do I tell it to apply the image? |
| 03:09:11 | Verxion | (by the way, appearance is HORRIBLY unintuitive) |
| 03:09:27 | ljp_hates_QWest | new appearance? should also be able to see jpgs |
| 03:09:31 | spiralman | Verxion: just close it, and itll ask you if you want to apply |
| 03:09:34 | spiralman | ljp_hates_QWest: nope... |
| 03:09:58 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm.. I thought he changed that.. |
| 03:10:00 | Verxion | ok |
| 03:10:03 | Verxion | I had to tap default |
| 03:10:05 | Verxion | and THEN close it |
| 03:10:11 | Verxion | it didn't apply until I did that |
| 03:10:15 | Verxion | even though it showed the image |
| 03:10:26 | Verxion | ok, the image looks bad as a background |
| 03:10:29 | Verxion | (in my opinion) |
| 03:10:36 | spiralman | yes, i thought so too |
| 03:10:46 | Verxion | I mean, I like the image a LOT |
| 03:10:54 | spiralman | it looks better on the 38xx or the Z |
| 03:10:57 | Verxion | I think it would make a great "restarting" image |
| 03:10:57 | spiralman | but its too cluttered |
| 03:11:08 | Verxion | but I don't like it on the background |
| 03:11:15 | Verxion | actually, I want the blank background back |
| 03:11:21 | Verxion | tries to figure out how to do that |
| 03:11:26 | spiralman | hehe |
| 03:11:30 | spiralman | good luck : ) |
| 03:11:34 | spiralman | delete the file |
| 03:11:42 | spiralman | and dont change it to another one |
| 03:11:42 | Verxion | where is the file? |
| 03:12:07 | Verxion | ahh, pics/launcher |
| 03:12:08 | spiralman | /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/launcher |
| 03:12:10 | Verxion | opie-background.jpg |
| 03:12:14 | spiralman | yep |
| 03:12:25 | Verxion | forgot bb includes find |
| 03:12:29 | Verxion | not used to having find on my ipaq |
| 03:12:30 | Verxion | :) |
| 03:12:51 | spiralman | hehe |
| 03:13:11 | Verxion | yes |
| 03:13:19 | Verxion | I definitely like the blank background better |
| 03:13:27 | Verxion | MUCH more professional looking in my opinion |
| 03:13:47 | spiralman | i wish gradients looked good on the 36/37 screen |
| 03:13:57 | Verxion | woah |
| 03:13:59 | spiralman | cause the default gradient in kde looks really nice... |
| 03:14:01 | Verxion | new package manager |
| 03:14:05 | spiralman | yep |
| 03:14:06 | Verxion | looks COMPLETELY different |
| 03:14:06 | spiralman | oipkg |
| 03:14:17 | spiralman | dont run it from launcher though |
| 03:14:19 | spiralman | it wont work |
| 03:14:27 | spiralman | run it from a command line, and it should |
| 03:14:31 | Verxion | eh? |
| 03:14:36 | Verxion | from the launcher, it doesn't run? |
| 03:14:42 | spiralman | it runs |
| 03:14:44 | Verxion | or I mean, the package installs don't work? |
| 03:14:48 | spiralman | but ipkg fails with a gzip error |
| 03:14:53 | Verxion | ok |
| 03:15:01 | Verxion | ipkg remove oipkg |
| 03:15:05 | Verxion | er, opie-oipkg |
| 03:15:37 | spiralman | when i said run it from the command line, i meant run oipkg from the command line... |
| 03:15:46 | spiralman | but i guess if you dont want it... |
| 03:15:50 | spiralman | i like it as a list of ipkgs |
| 03:16:01 | Verxion | I get my list of ipkgs like this: |
| 03:16:04 | spiralman | it has ipkgfind support |
| 03:16:07 | Verxion | ipkg status | grep Package |
| 03:16:09 | Verxion | works great |
| 03:16:12 | Verxion | I saw that |
| 03:16:19 | Verxion | but if I can't run it from opie |
| 03:16:23 | Verxion | that is just ridiculous |
| 03:16:56 | Verxion | you know |
| 03:17:05 | Verxion | I think the opie background stole enough colors from the icons |
| 03:17:14 | Verxion | that the icons look a TON better when I have a blank background |
| 03:18:44 | Verxion | well |
| 03:18:46 | Verxion | with a meg free |
| 03:18:52 | Verxion | it is screaming at me to install more apps |
| 03:18:55 | sgodsell | is away: Good night |
| 03:18:55 | Verxion | listens to it |
| 03:20:48 | VerxHome | howdy everyone |
| 03:20:55 | spiralman | hey |
| 03:20:56 | VerxHome | anyone here able to help me compile something? |
| 03:21:09 | VerxHome | I am trying to compile ppms |
| 03:21:09 | spiralman | what are you trying to compile? |
| 03:21:17 | VerxHome | it is a document compression utility |
| 03:21:22 | VerxHome | problem is, it has no makefile |
| 03:21:31 | VerxHome | and I am a bit rusty with my C compiling skills |
| 03:21:45 | VerxHome | it has 5 .c files |
| 03:21:51 | VerxHome | and 4 .h files |
| 03:21:59 | VerxHome | normally, I would expect to do something like |
| 03:22:06 | VerxHome | gcc -o ppms ppm.c |
| 03:22:12 | spiralman | ok |
| 03:22:18 | VerxHome | but that only works (if memory serves) if I have only ONE .c file |
| 03:22:32 | spiralman | you want to do gcc -o file.o file.c for each .c file |
| 03:22:39 | spiralman | and then you want to link them all together |
| 03:22:48 | spiralman | (i dont rember how to do that last bit) |
| 03:23:04 | spiralman | im pretty sure thats what you do... |
| 03:23:08 | VerxHome | I tried that |
| 03:23:14 | spiralman | or, write a makefile for it : ) |
| 03:23:14 | VerxHome | but they all want to talk to main |
| 03:23:24 | VerxHome | so I think I have to do all of them at once or something |
| 03:23:31 | spiralman | hmm, make doesnt do that... |
| 03:23:39 | spiralman | look at the output of running make on something |
| 03:24:03 | VerxHome | ahhhh! |
| 03:24:06 | VerxHome | I remembered |
| 03:24:07 | spiralman | perhaps you have to compile the -o for the file containing main(), and link all the other .o's to that |
| 03:24:19 | spiralman | yeah? |
| 03:24:22 | VerxHome | gcc -o ppm ppm.c arith_e.c getopt.c stat.c arith_d.c |
| 03:24:28 | VerxHome | you have to puyt them all on the line |
| 03:24:32 | spiralman | ahh... |
| 03:24:40 | VerxHome | just specify the correct resulting .o |
| 03:24:41 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:24:46 | VerxHome | ls |
| 03:24:52 | jusdisgi | spiral; so do we have a new opie feed? |
| 03:24:58 | spiralman | jusdisgi: yes |
| 03:24:58 | VerxHome | ok, now I gotta try this out |
| 03:25:09 | VerxHome | supposedly it will compress my ebook a TON more than it is with gzip |
| 03:25:14 | jusdisgi | spiral; cool. |
| 03:25:56 | jusdisgi | spiral; do i need to point my ipkg anywhere new, or will task-opie get me the new stuff now? |
| 03:26:09 | spiralman | nope, its all in the same feed |
| 03:26:12 | spiralman | just new files |
| 03:26:17 | jusdisgi | sweet. |
| 03:26:23 | spiralman | so, you could have just run ipkg update; ipkg upgrade |
| 03:26:28 | spiralman | instead of reflashing |
| 03:26:33 | spiralman | just so you know in the future... |
| 03:26:48 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:26:59 | VerxHome | book 6 of wheel of time (lord of chaos) |
| 03:27:06 | VerxHome | 843172 gzipped |
| 03:27:23 | VerxHome | 2262827 uncompressed |
| 03:27:57 | VerxHome | and. . . . |
| 03:28:02 | VerxHome | drum roll please. . . |
| 03:28:17 | VerxHome | 737191 with ppms |
| 03:28:20 | VerxHome | cool |
| 03:28:23 | spiralman | yep |
| 03:28:25 | VerxHome | more than 100K extra |
| 03:28:34 | VerxHome | and my ebook reader will still read it |
| 03:28:35 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:28:52 | spiralman | wonder what bzip2 would give you... |
| 03:29:00 | spiralman | does the ebook reader uncompress that? |
| 03:29:11 | VerxHome | nope |
| 03:29:16 | VerxHome | it handles TONS of compression utils |
| 03:29:28 | VerxHome | but they all are ones that use a relatively small amount of ram to uncompress |
| 03:29:35 | VerxHome | bzip2 uses TONS of ram to uncompress |
| 03:29:39 | spiralman | yeah |
| 03:29:43 | VerxHome | he supports doc, txt, gzip, ppms |
| 03:29:47 | VerxHome | and several others besides |
| 03:29:48 | spiralman | bzip is heavy on the sys resources |
| 03:30:04 | VerxHome | actually |
| 03:30:08 | VerxHome | on his website he compares it |
| 03:30:15 | spiralman | well, except for storage : ) |
| 03:30:17 | VerxHome | original text 573714 |
| 03:30:30 | VerxHome | makedoc (aportis doc format) 329543 |
| 03:30:38 | jusdisgi | do i need -force-depends to install opie? it says i'm missing qpe2uschedule |
| 03:30:39 | VerxHome | ppms 184187 |
| 03:30:54 | VerxHome | ppms best compression (I only just now found out there was such a thing) 151733 |
| 03:30:59 | VerxHome | bzip2-1 180175 |
| 03:31:04 | VerxHome | bzip2-9 154280 |
| 03:31:11 | VerxHome | then he shows memory required to read them |
| 03:31:15 | VerxHome | bzip2-9 uses 2.2M |
| 03:31:22 | VerxHome | while ppms on best compression uses 800K |
| 03:31:31 | VerxHome | goes back to try to compress with best compression |
| 03:31:32 | VerxHome | :))))) |
| 03:33:03 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 03:33:12 | VerxHome | I don't see how to do anything other than default compression |
| 03:48:36 | jusdisgi | can't install task-opie because of missing qpe2uschedule |
| 03:48:42 | spiralman | hmm |
| 03:49:05 | spiralman | its there |
| 03:49:11 | spiralman | download it and install it manually |
| 03:49:24 | spiralman | it must have just not gotten added the Packages file |
| 03:49:51 | inode | ok im back |
| 03:50:08 | spiralman | jusdisgi: and write to the mailing list explaining the problem |
| 03:50:12 | spiralman | kergoth: you there? |
| 03:50:16 | inode | heres my new error: |
| 03:50:20 | inode | fixed.h:43: instantiated from here |
| 03:50:20 | inode | fixed.h:177: `abs' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 03:50:21 | inode | fixed.h:177: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each |
| 03:50:21 | inode | function it appears in.) |
| 03:50:22 | inode | make[1]: *** [xpdf/GfxState.o] Error 1 |
| 03:50:22 | inode | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/inode/src/cvs/opie/noncore/qpdf' |
| 03:50:23 | inode | make: *** [noncore/qpdf] Error 2 |
| 03:50:25 | jusdisgi | spiral; where's the mailing list |
| 03:50:48 | spiralman | jusdisgi: opie@handhelds.org, but you have to subscribe to write to it, see the opie homepage |
| 03:51:04 | spiralman | inode: is there #include <math.h> in fixed.h? |
| 03:51:07 | jusdisgi | oh...ok...i'll get to it eventually... |
| 03:51:22 | spiralman | jusdisgi: ill write to it then, if i cant contact kergoth now... |
| 03:51:30 | jusdisgi | thanks |
| 03:51:33 | spiralman | np |
| 03:51:57 | spiralman | yep, not in the packages file |
| 03:52:20 | jusdisgi | please excuse my recent inattentiveness...i have apparently cought some bug that is making me vomit |
| 03:52:26 | jusdisgi | last couple of hours |
| 03:52:31 | jusdisgi | this sucks |
| 03:52:41 | inode | spiralman nope |
| 03:52:48 | spiralman | inode: the addit |
| 03:52:52 | spiralman | inode: is this in the same app? |
| 03:53:30 | inode | qpdf |
| 03:53:39 | spiralman | inode: hmm |
| 03:53:52 | spiralman | inode: people should really make sure things compile before they commit to cvs : ) |
| 03:54:11 | inode | :) didnt fix it |
| 03:54:22 | spiralman | inode: it probably needs to be linked to it as well |
| 03:54:36 | inode | how do i do that? |
| 03:54:44 | spiralman | inode: dont know, might not even be the problem |
| 03:55:54 | spiralman | ot, but latex2html is cool... |
| 03:56:06 | jusdisgi | hmmm...went and got qpe2uscdhedule....but when i try to install it i get no confirmation and then task-opie still fails the dependency |
| 03:56:10 | inode | the error is the same with or with out that line |
| 03:56:40 | spiralman | jusdisgi: is there no output at all when you are doing ipkg install [filename]? |
| 03:56:44 | spiralman | inode: hmm... |
| 03:56:59 | jusdisgi | nope...just waits a second and gives me my prompt back |
| 03:57:08 | jusdisgi | i'm going to try to download the file again |
| 03:57:14 | spiralman | jusdisgi: must be a completely bad package |
| 03:57:26 | spiralman | kergoth doesnt appear to be here, ill mail the list |
| 03:58:14 | spiralman | install opie-base with --force-depends |
| 03:58:19 | spiralman | it should still work (i hope) |
| 03:58:21 | jusdisgi | nope...same result |
| 03:58:27 | jusdisgi | ok, hang on |
| 03:58:44 | HrAbbey | spiralman: you made opie-sh, right? |
| 03:58:51 | spiralman | HrAbbey: yes |
| 03:59:04 | HrAbbey | spiralman: any reason you claim it depends on opie-lib ? |
| 03:59:14 | spiralman | HrAbbey: i do? |
| 03:59:23 | HrAbbey | spiralman: in the control file. |
| 03:59:24 | spiralman | HrAbbey: either you misread me, or i mistyped something |
| 03:59:32 | spiralman | HrAbbey: should just be opie-bas... |
| 03:59:35 | spiralman | base... |
| 03:59:39 | spiralman | hold on, ill check it |
| 03:59:56 | HrAbbey | spiralman: nope you're right opie-base. But why even that? |
| 04:00:33 | spiralman | HrAbbey: cause its what i got, you can use --force-depends if you use qpe, i suppose |
| 04:00:51 | inode | whats looks wrong with these lines |
| 04:00:54 | spiralman | HrAbbey; i know thats a poor excuse... |
| 04:00:54 | inode | inline fixed operator - ( const fixed &f ) const { return fixed ( m_f - f. m_f, |
| 04:00:54 | inode | true ); } |
| 04:00:55 | inode | inline fixed operator * ( const fixed &f ) const { return fixed ( mul ( |
| 04:00:55 | inode | m_f, f. m_f ), true ); } |
| 04:00:56 | inode | inline fixed operator / ( const fixed &f ) const { return fixed ( div ( |
| 04:00:56 | inode | m_f, f. m_f ), true ); } |
| 04:00:57 | inode | ******* |
| 04:00:59 | inode | { |
| 04:01:01 | inode | a0 = a1; |
| 04:01:03 | inode | a1 = ( a0 + fixed<SH>::div ( f. m_f, a0 )) >> 1; |
| 04:01:05 | inode | } while ( abs ( fixed<SH>::div ( a1 - a0, a1 )) > 1 ); |
| 04:01:07 | inode | return fixed<SH> ( a1, true ); |
| 04:01:08 | HrAbbey | spiralman: It's no problem, just curious. The stnd Zaurs ipkg doesn't pay any attention to depends anywoo. |
| 04:01:09 | inode | } |
| 04:01:45 | spiralman | HrAbbey: ok... |
| 04:02:05 | spiralman | HrAbbey: i have a feed on my site now, and im uploading a howto now, if you are interested |
| 04:02:44 | HrAbbey | spiralman: Definitely interesed. |
| 04:06:00 | inode | line43 }inline fixed operator * ( const fixed &f ) const { return fixed ( mul ( |
| 04:06:01 | inode | m_f, f. m_f ), true ); } |
| 04:06:01 | inode | line177 a1 = ( a0 + fixed<SH>::div ( f. m_f, a0 )) >> 1; |
| 04:06:26 | inode | the error is some where in tthose two lines |
| 04:08:38 | inode | h:43: instantiated from here |
| 04:08:38 | inode | fixed.h:177: `abs' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 04:08:39 | inode | fixed.h:177: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function |
| 04:08:39 | inode | it appears in.) |
| 04:09:52 | spiralman | ljp_mobile: hey, are you capable of fixing the opie feed? |
| 04:10:13 | ljp_mobile | whats wrong with it? |
| 04:10:30 | spiralman | qpe2uschedule isnt in the Packages file, and the ipk itself is broken |
| 04:10:49 | spiralman | so opie-base requires a --force-depends to install... |
| 04:10:55 | ljp_mobile | kergoth has write access to the feeds.... |
| 04:11:00 | ljp_mobile | kergoth:ping |
| 04:12:04 | inode | hell i just by passed qpdf in the makefile |
| 04:12:54 | spiralman | hehe |
| 04:15:46 | inode | finished weeeooooo |
| 04:17:09 | Verxion | weird |
| 04:17:25 | Verxion | I am copying a 700K file to the rom |
| 04:17:29 | Verxion | and it is taking FOREVER |
| 04:17:34 | Verxion | it has 500K free |
| 04:17:40 | Verxion | but it is only copying at a rate of like |
| 04:19:06 | Verxion | well |
| 04:19:14 | Verxion | it WAS copying like 10K every 30 seconds or so |
| 04:19:20 | Verxion | now it seems to have outright stalled |
| 04:21:40 | Verxion | I removed another file |
| 04:21:43 | Verxion | restarted it |
| 04:21:48 | Verxion | now it is copying a bit faster |
| 04:23:49 | Verxion | perhaps the copies stop when the kernel has to re-organize the rom |
| 04:23:54 | Verxion | that must be it |
| 04:25:25 | Verxion | ooooh |
| 04:25:32 | Verxion | there is an ipaq specific battery applet now |
| 04:25:35 | Verxion | I hadn't noticed that before |
| 04:31:37 | spiralman | yep |
| 04:31:40 | spiralman | went in last feed |
| 04:31:50 | spiralman | supposedly, its a lot more accurate, or some such |
| 04:32:09 | Verxion | that should be VERY nice |
| 04:32:11 | Verxion | tell me |
| 04:32:19 | Verxion | if I plug in my pcmcia single slot sleeve |
| 04:32:22 | Verxion | with NO pcmcia card |
| 04:32:31 | Verxion | will my ipaq use the battery in it? |
| 04:32:35 | spiralman | yes |
| 04:32:36 | spiralman | it should |
| 04:32:37 | Verxion | (I am trying to extend the battery life) |
| 04:32:39 | Verxion | ok, good |
| 04:32:48 | Verxion | that should last me much better in the theatre then |
| 04:32:49 | Verxion | :) |
| 04:32:53 | spiralman | hehe |
| 04:32:55 | spiralman | : ) |
| 04:33:05 | spiralman | just dont sit in front of me... ; ) |
| 04:35:12 | Verxion | eh? |
| 04:35:16 | Verxion | why do you say that? |
| 04:35:28 | Verxion | I am talking about the hour or hour and a half BEFORE the show starts |
| 04:35:32 | spiralman | yeah |
| 04:35:35 | Verxion | I would never read it during the show |
| 04:35:36 | spiralman | forgot you were going to ep 2 |
| 04:42:28 | Verxion | hrm |
| 04:42:34 | Verxion | I installed qasteroids |
| 04:42:36 | Verxion | no icon for it |
| 04:42:39 | jusdisgi | boy...this is wierd...got opie installed and working, but there is no text |
| 04:42:53 | jusdisgi | s |
| 04:43:02 | spiralman | jusdisgi: 38xx? |
| 04:43:09 | jusdisgi | hmmm |
| 04:43:20 | spiralman | jusdisgi: install qt-embedded-rotation |
| 04:44:23 | Verxion | if I try to run qasteroids from the commandline, I get this: |
| 04:44:39 | Verxion | # ./qasteroids |
| 04:44:39 | Verxion | ./qasteroids: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:45:04 | jusdisgi | thanks spiral |
| 04:45:08 | spiralman | jusdisgi: np |
| 04:45:20 | spiralman | Verxion: hmm... |
| 04:45:30 | spiralman | Verxion: is that app in the feed? |
| 04:45:35 | Verxion | yes |
| 04:45:40 | Verxion | opie-qasteroids |
| 04:45:47 | spiralman | hmm, strange... |
| 04:46:07 | Verxion | could be a build problem of some kind |
| 04:46:14 | spiralman | Verxion: yeah... |
| 04:46:20 | spiralman | Verxion: was that updated recently? |
| 04:46:29 | spiralman | Verxion: that ipkg, that is... |
| 04:46:35 | Verxion | heh, I haven't ever had room for games until today |
| 04:46:38 | Verxion | so I have no idea |
| 04:47:06 | spiralman | try creating links to qt in /usr/lib |
| 04:48:11 | spiralman | Verxion: yeah, that one hasnt been compiled since the libs were moved to /opt/QtPalmtop |
| 04:49:47 | spiralman | Verxion: and could you write to the mail list about the problem? |
| 04:50:09 | Verxion | ok |
| 04:50:11 | Verxion | linked the lib |
| 04:50:14 | Verxion | and the fonts dir |
| 04:50:23 | Verxion | now I gotta find where it installed the icon at |
| 04:50:29 | Verxion | (don't remember the old pics directory) |
| 04:51:16 | inode | when compiling qte/opie for x86 do i need to use -qvfb or -noqvfb to run opie from a term...???? |
| 04:51:40 | spiralman | qvfb is good on x86 |
| 04:51:51 | spiralman | it lets you run opie in x |
| 04:52:06 | inode | i dont want to run x |
| 04:52:09 | spiralman | but if you just want to run it directly on the framebuffer |
| 04:52:12 | spiralman | you dont need it |
| 04:52:19 | spiralman | so -noqvfb |
| 04:53:07 | inode | ok im on the right track... but when i run opie theres no mouse support |
| 04:53:26 | spiralman | yeah, you need to comment out some line in a qt config file... |
| 04:53:45 | spiralman | or uncomment it, i forget... |
| 04:53:58 | inode | oh?? is there a dos on it? |
| 04:54:03 | inode | s/dos/doc |
| 04:54:14 | spiralman | i dont think so |
| 04:54:26 | spiralman | search config.h for CURSOR |
| 04:54:44 | Verxion | its info about where to find its icon was COMPLETELY messed up |
| 04:54:50 | Verxion | but I finally got the icon working |
| 04:55:12 | spiralman | Verxion: cool |
| 04:55:14 | inode | config.h in opie? |
| 04:55:21 | spiralman | inode: qt/e |
| 04:56:20 | Verxion | has anyone recently used the mp3 player? |
| 04:56:25 | Verxion | does it work decently yet? |
| 04:56:32 | spiralman | i havent tried it lately |
| 04:57:30 | Verxion | what is the purpose of the "netmonapplet"? |
| 04:57:35 | Verxion | I have installed it several times |
| 04:57:40 | Verxion | I never see an applet anywhere. . . |
| 04:57:51 | Verxion | also, what is "mediummount" ? |
| 04:58:00 | spiralman | Verxion: i dont think netmon does anything at the moment |
| 04:58:26 | spiralman | mediummount controlls whether or not external storage is scaned for files when its mounted... |
| 04:58:43 | Verxion | ok |
| 04:59:06 | inode | the only config.h is ./tools/designer/designer/config.h ./tools/qvfb/config.h |
| 04:59:58 | spiralman | inode: then use grep... |
| 05:00:07 | spiralman | inode: like i said, i dont remember where it was, exactly |
| 05:00:18 | spiralman | inode: it might be in the opie source, but i think it was qt... |
| 05:00:58 | inode | ok time to hit google |
| 05:01:57 | Verxion | do any of the games have sound? |
| 05:02:06 | spiralman | Verxion: no clue... |
| 05:03:04 | Verxion | k |
| 05:03:35 | Verxion | rofl |
| 05:03:38 | Verxion | I have kpacman |
| 05:03:45 | Verxion | but none of my keys do anything to it |
| 05:04:16 | spiralman | you have to hit space to start (i think) |
| 05:05:47 | Verxion | that got it |
| 05:05:47 | Verxion | thanks |
| 05:06:41 | Verxion | odd |
| 05:06:44 | Verxion | I install vmemo |
| 05:06:51 | Verxion | it didn't come with an actual application |
| 05:06:56 | Verxion | just some waves and libs |
| 05:07:07 | spiralman | should be an applet for the toolbar |
| 05:07:34 | Verxion | ahhhh |
| 05:07:35 | Verxion | there is |
| 05:07:39 | Verxion | how do I use this thing? |
| 05:08:40 | Verxion | the record button doesn't do a thing |
| 05:08:47 | Verxion | and tapping the icon doesn't either |
| 05:09:03 | spiralman | Verxion: tap to start recording, tap again to stop |
| 05:09:14 | spiralman | Verxion: it wont change anything visually |
| 05:09:46 | Verxion | heh |
| 05:09:46 | Verxion | ok |
| 05:09:51 | Verxion | so how do I play them back? |
| 05:09:58 | spiralman | opie-player |
| 05:10:04 | spiralman | with wav plugin... |
| 05:10:05 | Verxion | eesh |
| 05:10:41 | Verxion | that might not fit. :( |
| 05:11:16 | spiralman | i dont think its that big |
| 05:11:32 | Verxion | it is 126K compressed |
| 05:11:40 | Verxion | and I suspect it is gonna try to grab some other libs |
| 05:11:46 | Verxion | I have 364K free currently. . . |
| 05:12:07 | spiralman | non of the plugins require libs |
| 05:12:19 | spiralman | to my knowledge |
| 05:12:29 | spiralman | wav isnt a particularly complex format... |
| 05:13:49 | Verxion | rebooting it to reclaim space |
| 05:14:27 | Verxion | or |
| 05:14:28 | Verxion | not |
| 05:14:33 | Verxion | looks like it won't boot up now |
| 05:15:06 | spiralman | hmm, serial cradle time : ) |
| 05:17:37 | Verxion | Installing opie-mediaplayer (1.5.0-20020515) |
| 05:17:37 | Verxion | ERROR: Package opie-mediaplayer wants to install file /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opiepla |
| 05:17:37 | Verxion | yer |
| 05:17:37 | Verxion | But that file is already provided by package <no package> |
| 05:17:37 | Verxion | Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 05:17:44 | Verxion | any idea how to recover from that? |
| 05:17:49 | spiralman | remove the file? |
| 05:17:52 | Verxion | I have a partial package installation it looks like |
| 05:18:04 | spiralman | yeah, sounds like it... |
| 05:20:09 | Verxion | ok |
| 05:20:15 | Verxion | I have mediaplayer installed |
| 05:20:19 | Verxion | and opie-wavplugin |
| 05:20:22 | Verxion | and opie-vmemo |
| 05:20:32 | Verxion | I tap the microphone icon |
| 05:20:36 | Verxion | it doesn't change in ANY way |
| 05:20:38 | Verxion | I say things |
| 05:20:42 | Verxion | I then tap it again |
| 05:20:47 | Verxion | then I go to mediaplayer |
| 05:20:48 | Verxion | see nothing |
| 05:21:06 | spiralman | Verxion: check in ~/Documents in the file manager |
| 05:21:29 | Verxion | well, first off, I don't see anything there |
| 05:21:37 | Verxion | but I would have EXPECTED and HOPED it would use /tmp |
| 05:21:46 | Verxion | I have no space to record with |
| 05:21:48 | spiralman | no, Documents by default |
| 05:21:52 | spiralman | that might be the problem |
| 05:22:19 | Verxion | seems like there used to be an app where I could adjust recording setting |
| 05:22:20 | Verxion | s |
| 05:22:25 | Verxion | but I don't seem to have it right now |
| 05:22:32 | spiralman | maybe sound... |
| 05:22:54 | spiralman | yeah, sound settings |
| 05:23:02 | spiralman | wont let you put it on ram though |
| 05:23:58 | Verxion | ok |
| 05:24:07 | Verxion | I installed it and it only has internal storage |
| 05:24:10 | Verxion | that is my only option |
| 05:24:15 | Verxion | oh, that is what you said |
| 05:24:55 | Verxion | ok |
| 05:24:59 | Verxion | time to remove all those apps then |
| 05:25:01 | Verxion | *SIGH* |
| 05:29:51 | spiralman | yeah |
| 05:33:51 | Verxion | I installed tabmanager |
| 05:33:55 | Verxion | it didn't show up anywhere |
| 05:34:32 | spiralman | did you restart opie? |
| 05:34:37 | Verxion | yup |
| 05:34:40 | spiralman | hmm |
| 05:34:52 | Verxion | this stuff is still far from polished methinks |
| 05:34:53 | Verxion | :) |
| 05:35:15 | spiralman | that was just added to the feed |
| 05:35:19 | Verxion | ok |
| 05:35:25 | Verxion | and I installed mediummount |
| 05:35:27 | Verxion | no icon for it |
| 05:35:31 | spiralman | so there may be some kinks |
| 05:35:34 | spiralman | yeah, we know.. |
| 05:35:48 | spiralman | check in /home/QtPalmtop for the tabmanager |
| 05:36:02 | spiralman | cause i think it was originally written for the Z, which stores stuff there... |
| 05:36:02 | Verxion | how good is nethack? |
| 05:36:06 | Verxion | have you ever tried it? |
| 05:36:11 | Verxion | I haven't EVER played it |
| 05:36:14 | spiralman | i tried it a little, its ok |
| 05:36:19 | Verxion | not great eh? |
| 05:36:21 | Verxion | it is huge |
| 05:36:22 | spiralman | im not big on computer rpgs |
| 05:36:34 | spiralman | i prefer paper and pencil, w/ real people... |
| 05:36:35 | Verxion | how did the graphics look? |
| 05:36:42 | spiralman | not bad, a little small though |
| 05:36:56 | spiralman | simple 2d stuff (it was originally a text based game...) |
| 05:37:31 | Verxion | hrm |
| 05:37:38 | Verxion | I think my package info is screwed |
| 05:37:52 | spiralman | why? |
| 05:37:59 | Verxion | I have konqueror installed |
| 05:38:02 | Verxion | but ipkg doesn't think so |
| 05:38:14 | spiralman | hmm... |
| 05:38:18 | spiralman | yeah, might be it |
| 05:38:25 | spiralman | ipkg, not oipkg, right? |
| 05:38:30 | Verxion | yeah |
| 05:38:46 | Verxion | ipkg status | grep Package |
| 05:38:47 | spiralman | did you do anything odd for the konq install? |
| 05:38:53 | Verxion | that still lists several packages |
| 05:39:01 | Verxion | I had to do a "-force-depends" |
| 05:39:04 | Verxion | to install konq |
| 05:39:09 | spiralman | you did? |
| 05:39:12 | Verxion | yeah |
| 05:39:16 | spiralman | i thought kergoth fixed that? |
| 05:39:19 | spiralman | i guess not yet... |
| 05:39:31 | Verxion | is there a way to get a package to install on top of existing files? |
| 05:39:44 | spiralman | --force-install i think |
| 05:39:54 | Verxion | like "-I_know_the_files_are_there_I_want_ya_to_install_anyway" |
| 05:40:00 | Verxion | that parameter it didn't like |
| 05:40:00 | Verxion | :) |
| 05:40:14 | spiralman | --force-install turns every error into a warning, if im not mistaken... |
| 05:42:05 | Verxion | ipkg install konqueror -force-depends -force-reinstall |
| 05:42:06 | Verxion | that does it |
| 05:42:12 | Verxion | -force-install doesn't exist |
| 05:42:18 | spiralman | hmm, ok |
| 05:42:27 | Verxion | actually |
| 05:42:29 | Verxion | *SIGH* |
| 05:42:33 | Verxion | reinstall didn't work either |
| 05:42:46 | Verxion | reinstall didn't work either |
| 05:43:41 | Verxion | wow |
| 05:43:45 | Verxion | this thing is really annoying |
| 05:43:56 | Verxion | I am gonna have to reinstall everything from scratch methinks |
| 05:43:57 | Verxion | :( |
| 05:46:02 | spiralman | hmm |
| 05:46:15 | spiralman | yeah, once ipkg gets messed up, its hard to do much else |
| 05:46:20 | spiralman | i wonder why it got messed up |
| 05:46:29 | spiralman | probably when you installed stuff w/ no space left |
| 05:46:35 | spiralman | it doesnt handle that well |
| 05:47:14 | Verxion | yeah |
| 05:47:17 | Verxion | very likely that is it |
| 05:47:55 | spiralman | when it runs out of space, the correct thing for it to do would be to remove all the files it already installed in that package |
| 05:48:02 | spiralman | but instead, it just segfaults... |
| 05:48:04 | spiralman | : ( |
| 05:53:47 | inode | bbl |
| 05:53:50 | spiralman | later |
| 06:06:14 | spiralman | night all |
| 07:09:43 | hash | anyone know if anyone is working on a opie offline news reader? |
| 07:12:55 | Harlekin | yes |
| 07:12:57 | Harlekin | nearly done |
| 07:13:06 | hash | really? |
| 07:13:08 | Harlekin | hash: btw, where did you go yesterday? |
| 07:13:08 | hash | cool |
| 07:13:19 | hash | Harlekin: yesterday? this afternoon? |
| 07:13:24 | Harlekin | whatever |
| 07:13:25 | hash | Harlekin: why's that? |
| 07:13:27 | Harlekin | you where suddenly gone |
| 07:13:34 | Harlekin | regarding the patch |
| 07:13:39 | hash | hehe, i'm on a phone line, so i can't stay on long |
| 07:13:42 | hash | yup? |
| 07:13:43 | Harlekin | ah |
| 07:13:55 | Harlekin | did you redid a diff against latest cvs source? |
| 07:14:00 | hash | nope |
| 07:14:10 | hash | i didn't change anything since someone updated the CVS |
| 07:14:24 | Harlekin | but your patch does not apply to current source |
| 07:14:40 | hash | Harlekin: nope |
| 07:14:52 | Harlekin | since there where changes |
| 07:15:00 | hash | Harlekin: my patch was for the version before the last update |
| 07:15:09 | Harlekin | right |
| 07:15:10 | hash | the CVS is the newest |
| 07:15:18 | Harlekin | but not your code |
| 07:15:19 | Harlekin | in |
| 07:15:23 | Harlekin | not the newest stuff |
| 07:15:50 | hash | ? |
| 07:15:56 | hash | the CVS is newest with my code |
| 07:16:03 | Harlekin | aha |
| 07:16:16 | hash | sorry |
| 07:16:21 | hash | i wasn't making it clear |
| 07:16:31 | Harlekin | then never mind |
| 07:17:19 | hash | Harlekin: do you know who is working on that news reader? |
| 07:20:53 | hash | woow |
| 07:21:00 | hash | opie feed was updated yesterday |
| 07:23:19 | hash | can someone please tell me what the difference between opie mpeg player and the regualar mpeg player? |
| 07:23:33 | Harlekin_ | opie media player |
| 07:23:46 | Harlekin_ | qpe mpegplayer is not anymore part of opie |
| 07:24:06 | hash | when was it removed? |
| 07:24:13 | hash | i still have it on my machine |
| 07:24:17 | Harlekin_ | i killed it from cvs 2 weeks ago |
| 07:24:19 | Harlekin_ | yes |
| 07:24:27 | Harlekin_ | because ipkg does not have conflict yet |
| 07:24:38 | Harlekin_ | or Replace |
| 07:24:47 | Harlekin_ | ipkg remove opie-mpegplayer |
| 07:24:52 | Harlekin_ | ipkg install opie-mediaplayer |
| 07:24:59 | Harlekin_ | ipkg install opie-libmpeg3plugin |
| 07:25:11 | Harlekin_ | ipkg install opie-libmadplugin <- case not allready installed |
| 07:25:29 | Harlekin_ | for example the mediaplayer has shoutcast support |
| 07:26:09 | hash | dang |
| 07:26:19 | hash | then why not use that, instead of opie media player? |
| 07:26:26 | Harlekin_ | ? |
| 07:26:40 | hash | and why have libmadplugin and libmpeg3plugin both installed? |
| 07:26:48 | Harlekin_ | mad is mp3 and shoutcast |
| 07:26:54 | Harlekin_ | mpeg3 is mpeg videos |
| 07:27:19 | hash | there is another mp3 lib though... |
| 07:27:28 | Harlekin_ | which one |
| 07:28:06 | hash | oops |
| 07:28:08 | hash | there isn't |
| 07:28:10 | hash | sorry |
| 07:28:19 | Harlekin_ | i knew |
| 07:32:39 | Harlekin_ | ibot: message for leseb: version numbering change in .control leads to breakage for autoupdate |
| 07:33:08 | zecke|away | ? |
| 07:33:23 | zecke|away | Harlekin_: kergoth just bumped the numbers |
| 07:33:48 | Harlekin_ | zecke|away: no, leseb did |
| 07:33:58 | Harlekin_ | zecke|away: 0.9.2post |
| 07:34:00 | hash | i'm gonig to bed... see ya tomorrow |
| 07:34:57 | zecke|away | From: |
| 07:34:57 | zecke|away | kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 07:34:58 | zecke|away | To: |
| 07:34:59 | zecke|away | opie-cvs@handhelds.org |
| 07:34:59 | zecke|away | Date: |
| 07:34:59 | zecke|away | Yesterday 22:31:09 |
| 07:35:00 | zecke|away | Update of /cvs/opie/chess |
| 07:35:02 | zecke|away | In directory handhelds.org:/tmp/cvs-serv12596/chess |
| 07:35:04 | zecke|away | Modified Files: |
| 07:35:06 | zecke|away | opie-chess.control |
| 07:35:08 | zecke|away | Log Message: |
| 07:35:10 | zecke|away | Harlekin, you forgot to update the control files... |
| 07:35:19 | Harlekin_ | yes yes |
| 07:35:24 | Harlekin_ | but opie-chess does not exist |
| 07:35:26 | Harlekin_ | anyway |
| 07:35:31 | zecke|away | ;) |
| 07:35:36 | Harlekin_ | i forgot some moew |
| 07:35:37 | Harlekin_ | more |
| 08:53:20 | Morn | anyone awake? |
| 08:53:35 | tille | nearly ;) |
| 08:53:41 | Morn | giggle |
| 08:53:58 | Morn | do you know what file I have to touch to make opie not try to calibrate the touch screen? |
| 08:54:46 | tille | iirc calibrate is part of the launcher... |
| 08:55:03 | Morn | there is a file though that you can touch so it doesn't try to calibrate |
| 08:55:11 | Morn | I'm loading it on a tuxscreen |
| 08:55:21 | Morn | and there is no touchscreen driver yet |
| 08:55:25 | Morn | so I can't calibrate |
| 08:55:34 | Morn | but I can navigate via the keyboard |
| 08:55:50 | Morn | Harlekin helped me with this before |
| 08:55:53 | Morn | but I forgot the file |
| 08:57:28 | tille | try /etc/pointercal |
| 08:57:54 | Morn | that was it |
| 08:57:55 | Morn | thanks |
| 08:58:33 | tille | do you mind adding this to wiki? |
| 08:58:52 | Morn | sure |
| 08:58:59 | Morn | that way I'll be able to find it again :-) |
| 08:59:10 | tille | ;) |
| 10:17:03 | | bipolar was last seen on #opie 1 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: I'll be gone from 5/15/02 until 5/22/02 on a trip to St. Louis to pick up my fiance and bring her home. [Wed May 15 03:08:46 2002] |
| 10:17:03 | zecke | ibot seen bipolar |
| 10:36:24 | mark | hi all |
| 10:39:57 | tille|work | hi mark |
| 10:44:17 | zecke | hi |
| 10:44:19 | zecke | tux_mike: ping |
| 10:44:33 | zecke | Hi could we add rev to our xml files? |
| 10:49:38 | | kergoth is available at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 10:49:38 | sandman | ibot: kergoth |
| 11:27:54 | Morn | is away: taking a short break |
| 11:28:14 | Morn | is away: watch this space for a revelation |
| 11:31:46 | zecke | damn German Custom |
| 11:39:01 | mark | zecke|HatesSHARP: heh, whats the matter now? |
| 11:40:48 | tille|work | BastardBot: help |
| 11:41:21 | BastardBot | oops.. oh shit, sorry , my nick is messed up. |
| 11:41:32 | tille|work | olo |
| 11:41:36 | tille|work | lol |
| 11:41:38 | OTri | Evil bot stole my nick, it just reverted. heh.. |
| 11:41:55 | OTri | er.. mirc reverted. |
| 11:42:00 | OTri | tille|work: What's up? |
| 11:42:25 | tille|work | nothing just wanted to see if you're a bot or not |
| 11:42:38 | OTri | *lol* |
| 11:46:55 | zecke|HatesSHARP | mark: Germany didn't fit |
| 11:47:11 | zecke|HatesSHARP | mark: and currently I hate some companies |
| 12:15:18 | carsten | moin |
| 12:25:12 | OTri | are the opie packages updated to the new stripped ones? |
| 12:37:00 | jusdisgi | hey guys...any change with qpe2uschedule? |
| 12:41:50 | jusdisgi | still won't install here |
| 12:43:15 | tille|lovesSunsh | too much hate in here ;) |
| 12:45:01 | ljp_lovesQwestLe | hmmm |
| 12:45:02 | tille|lovesSunsh | lol |
| 12:45:20 | ljp_lovesQwestLe | no long nick names, I guess |
| 12:45:20 | tille|lovesSunsh | starts to singe "let the sun shine in..." |
| 12:45:29 | tille|lovesSunsh | hmmm... |
| 12:47:20 | OTri | Anyone know what ipkg has lsof in it? |
| 12:47:39 | ljp | it didnt take the nick I wanted: ljp_lovesQwestLessThanEverythingElse |
| 12:47:51 | zecke|LoveCompaq | lol |
| 12:48:40 | ljp | having my lappie on the internet when I use linux is going to help opie... ;) |
| 12:49:11 | ljp | so zecke: you no likey the Z? |
| 12:49:57 | zecke|LoveCompaq | ljp: I love the Z |
| 12:50:15 | ljp | well then why dont you marry it? |
| 12:50:18 | ljp | hahahaha |
| 12:50:52 | zecke|LoveCompaq | ljp: the hole is too small for my taste |
| 12:51:03 | ljp | hehehehe... |
| 12:51:59 | zecke|LoveCompaq | sorry need to hack on |
| 12:53:40 | ljp | ya.. I need to run in to work... |
| 12:53:43 | ljp | bbl |
| 12:54:17 | zecke|LoveCompaq | lol |
| 13:19:57 | jusdisgi | anybody know the diff between the package opie-sound and opie-sounds |
| 13:20:13 | jusdisgi | is the latter just .wavs |
| 13:23:50 | tille|work | jusdisgi: ipkg info opie-sound might help you |
| 13:27:02 | jusdisgi | tille...yeah...probly; thanks |
| 13:28:25 | jusdisgi | yeah...the sound one is an app...the sounds one is full of sound files |
| 13:34:38 | jusdisgi | anybody using hancom office on the ipaq? |
| 13:34:42 | szalik | /quit/quit |
| 13:34:46 | szalik | bleh :> |
| 13:39:45 | egor | anybode know how to load opie on a 3850 |
| 13:41:53 | gonz | egor: it's as easy as installing the ipks |
| 13:42:02 | zecke|LoveCompaq | egor: the same ways as on a 36xx? |
| 13:46:50 | jusdisgi | egor; just did it on a 3835 last night |
| 13:49:29 | jusdisgi | egor; having problems? |
| 14:03:42 | zecke|LoveCompaq | damn KitchenSync fried my addressbook |
| 14:03:58 | ljp | hmmm its it supposed to do that? |
| 14:04:31 | jusdisgi | no, that's what kitchenskillet does |
| 14:04:36 | ljp | hehe |
| 14:05:09 | ljp | I guess kitchensync works just like qtopiadesktop hehehehe |
| 14:05:15 | jusdisgi | i swear to god opie solitaire is unwinnable. |
| 14:05:23 | ljp | I've won |
| 14:05:28 | jusdisgi | liar! |
| 14:05:32 | ljp | nope |
| 14:05:52 | ljp | I've even beat the computer at tictactoe |
| 14:05:52 | mark | no, its not |
| 14:06:10 | jusdisgi | man...mine must be broke ;) |
| 14:06:49 | ljp | you can always hck the code to always win.. |
| 14:07:02 | ljp | or be able to cheat |
| 14:07:25 | jusdisgi | well...yeah...i guess... |
| 14:07:44 | ljp | play it enough and you'll win |
| 14:08:31 | jusdisgi | working on it...... |
| 14:09:08 | ljp | just wait in an airport for a couple flights... |
| 14:09:29 | jusdisgi | anyhoo...can i get hancom office for this thing? |
| 14:10:11 | jusdisgi | does the zaurus version work? |
| 14:10:29 | ljp | dont know.. |
| 14:10:51 | jusdisgi | one of the wiki's mentioned it...but hancom's site doesn't... |
| 14:11:10 | jusdisgi | and they ask for the registration number of your zaurus to download that version |
| 14:17:04 | egor | sorry about the delay i have set the ipkg.conf src to opie and ran the update but the os was updated only |
| 14:19:38 | jusdisgi | did you install task-opie? |
| 14:20:08 | egor | no i ran the update and the upgrade |
| 14:22:27 | egor | just tried ipkg install task-opie and got dep errors |
| 14:22:50 | OTri | anyone know what's with the crc errors for opie-sounds, and such? |
| 14:23:38 | OTri | I also just tried to do an update/upgrade, and found the opie-sounds and opie-wavplugin (something like that), have problems. |
| 14:23:49 | gonz | OTri: i have no idea, they don't seem to matter though |
| 14:24:02 | OTri | Yeah.. seems to run fine right now. |
| 14:25:34 | jusdisgi | OTri; i've seen those errors in many a package... |
| 14:25:40 | jusdisgi | never caused no probs |
| 14:26:02 | jusdisgi | egor; was your dep error for qpe2uschedule |
| 14:26:03 | jusdisgi | ? |
| 14:26:13 | jusdisgi | and how long ago was that? |
| 14:26:23 | jusdisgi | more than say 30 mins ago? |
| 14:28:03 | egor | no it is libjpeg62 apmd uschedule and ipaqalarm |
| 14:28:07 | OTri | only thing is.. screen tap sound, etc.. don't seem to do anything. |
| 14:28:23 | ljp | nope not yet on ipaqs |
| 14:28:53 | jusdisgi | OTri; have you tried installing those packages individually? |
| 14:29:55 | jusdisgi | sorry...not otri...egor |
| 14:30:00 | jusdisgi | getting confused. |
| 14:30:06 | ljp | do alarm sounds work on ipaq? |
| 14:30:24 | jusdisgi | i haven't heard a peep from my ipaq since killing wince |
| 14:30:43 | OTri | media player works! Plays mp3s just fine. |
| 14:30:43 | egor | jusdisgi: should i try to force or install seperatly |
| 14:31:05 | jusdisgi | i would try to install seperately first.... |
| 14:31:14 | egor | ok thanks |
| 14:31:58 | jusdisgi | be back...shower. |
| 15:00:13 | zecke|LoveCompaq | ljp :) |
| 15:06:15 | ljp | I am a mad software clone scientist!!! |
| 15:06:59 | zecke|LoveCompaq | the poor software better clone some evil humans ;) |
| 15:09:16 | zecke|LoveCompaq | hi kergoth |
| 15:10:03 | kergoth | ibot: message for harlekin: please convert opie-background to png. You must supply extension to load a .jpg with Resource, and the launcher's default does not supply extension. |
| 15:10:45 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: what about fixin Resource? |
| 15:10:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:11:05 | kergoth | I think its a hack to automatically look for extensions anyway |
| 15:14:42 | zecke|LoveCompaq | inlinepics_p.h :( |
| 15:15:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:15:20 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: the loding is done there |
| 15:15:50 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:16:24 | zecke|LoveCompaq | supply extension to load a .jpg with Resource, and the launcher's default does not supply extension. |
| 15:17:03 | zecke|LoveCompaq | FIX:Resource should look for .jpeg .jpg. .JPEG .JPG too |
| 15:20:32 | kergoth | I suppose. I still think Resource shouldnt have supplied extension at all. |
| 15:20:33 | kergoth | brb |
| 15:34:05 | mark | which is better for mp3 playback? mibmadplugin or libmpeg3plugin? |
| 15:34:40 | kergoth | you want libmad iirc |
| 15:34:56 | mark | k |
| 15:35:20 | mark | gah oipkg still not using QProcess |
| 15:35:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:35:54 | kergoth | popen() and system() |
| 15:35:56 | kergoth | fun |
| 15:36:59 | mark | yep :) |
| 15:37:27 | mark | know where i can get movies in appropriate size/format from? |
| 15:46:00 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: ping |
| 15:51:24 | gonz | mark: there is www.pocketmovies.net or so |
| 15:53:49 | jusdisgi | hey is there a perl ipk? |
| 15:54:10 | jusdisgi | or do i have perl already? |
| 15:55:04 | gonz | jusdisgi: there are perl-binaries at the wiki, no official ipk yet |
| 15:55:12 | jusdisgi | thanks |
| 15:55:30 | gonz | well, i made two ipks for my own needs ;) |
| 15:57:29 | gonz | hi spiralman ! |
| 15:57:49 | spiralman | hey |
| 15:58:28 | spiralman | whats up? |
| 15:58:32 | zecke|LoveCompaq | anyone here compiles qt with jpeg? |
| 16:00:45 | gonz | is going to get some beer |
| 16:01:03 | | you are probably on holiday all the time, it seems |
| 16:01:03 | gonz | ibot: gonz? |
| 16:01:09 | gonz | nope... |
| 16:01:11 | | you are on holiday all the time, it seems |
| 16:01:11 | gonz | ibot: gonz? |
| 16:01:19 | gonz | well, forget it ;) |
| 16:01:22 | gonz | stupid bot... |
| 16:02:31 | jusdisgi | botstarv |
| 16:02:39 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: pong. is the .jpg fix committed? |
| 16:02:39 | | jusdisgi: huh? |
| 16:02:39 | jusdisgi | ibot botstarb |
| 16:02:45 | | jusdisgi: what? |
| 16:02:45 | jusdisgi | ibot botstarv |
| 16:02:46 | jusdisgi | dammit |
| 16:02:47 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: yes |
| 16:02:55 | | jusdisgi: sorry... |
| 16:02:55 | jusdisgi | ibot botstarve |
| 16:02:57 | jusdisgi | ? |
| 16:03:00 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: could you test? my qt is still withouth jpeg |
| 16:03:16 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: sure. I'll test, then update the feeds if it works |
| 16:03:43 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: or blame me ;) |
| 16:12:37 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: worked. i updated opie-base and removed ~/Settings/qpe.conf (because I had manually set the bg image) and the background appeared just fine. |
| 16:12:42 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: I'll update the feeds. |
| 16:16:15 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kewl |
| 16:20:32 | spiralman | whats the link to the sharp cross compiler? |
| 16:26:36 | kergoth | fyi the screenshot gallery handles .png files now. |
| 16:26:38 | kergoth | fixed that bug. |
| 16:26:45 | kergoth | and added a screenshot of the new opie background |
| 16:26:49 | mark | neato |
| 16:31:05 | spiralman | yay! i got cvs access now... |
| 16:32:22 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:33:12 | spiralman | ok, so, ive got a fix for opie-remote. how do i commit it (im relatively new to cvs....) |
| 16:33:29 | kergoth | have you checked out all of opie using your new ssh access? |
| 16:33:35 | kergoth | you need to do that first. |
| 16:33:46 | spiralman | no, havent done that yet |
| 16:33:48 | spiralman | ill do it |
| 16:34:04 | kergoth | export CVS_RSH=ssh; cvs -d spiralman@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co -P opie |
| 16:34:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:34:09 | kergoth | s/-d /-d:/ |
| 16:34:17 | spiralman | right |
| 16:34:18 | kergoth | then alter teh remote in the opie tree and run cvs ci |
| 16:34:23 | kergoth | from within your remote dir |
| 16:35:47 | spiralman | hmm, should i di that inside the opie dir, or in the directory below it? |
| 16:36:10 | kergoth | directly below it |
| 16:36:13 | kergoth | you need a new tree |
| 16:36:17 | kergoth | actually |
| 16:36:22 | kergoth | move that opie out of the way first :-) |
| 16:36:29 | spiralman | k |
| 16:38:22 | spiralman | cvs checkout: unknown method in CVSroot: :spiralman@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs cvs [checkout aborted]: Bad CVSROOT. |
| 16:38:27 | kergoth | doh |
| 16:38:29 | kergoth | sorry bout that |
| 16:38:32 | spiralman | np |
| 16:38:40 | kergoth | its -d:ext:spiralman@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs |
| 16:39:07 | spiralman | cool, seems to be working now |
| 16:39:49 | jusdisgi | spiralman; just checked out opie-sh...props, that's the coolest thing since sliced bread |
| 16:40:24 | spiralman | jusdisgi: cool, thanks |
| 16:40:32 | spiralman | kergoth: it wont accept my password... |
| 16:40:50 | kergoth | spiralman: who cares about the password |
| 16:41:04 | spiralman | kergoth: as in, it wont let me check out... |
| 16:41:15 | kergoth | spiralman: you put your public key out there. it should prompt for the passkey for that corresponding private key, nokt the password for the hadnhelds acccount. |
| 16:41:33 | spiralman | hmm: spiralman@cvs.handhelds.org's password: |
| 16:41:35 | kergoth | spiralman: the private key that went along with the public key you sent me must reside in ~/.ssh/ on the box you're coming from. |
| 16:41:44 | kergoth | spiralman: yeah thats what i thought. the public key auth is failing out |
| 16:41:45 | spiralman | yeah, it is |
| 16:41:54 | spiralman | i havent touched it since i gave it to you... |
| 16:42:16 | kergoth | ssh -v -v -v spiralman@handhelds.org |
| 16:43:09 | spiralman | i get a bunch of key_read: no space lines |
| 16:43:39 | spiralman | also some key_type_form_name: unknown key type '------begin" |
| 16:43:44 | spiralman | as well as some other key types... |
| 16:43:53 | spiralman | that wasnt copy pasted either... |
| 16:44:05 | spiralman | jusdisgi: have you read the howto? |
| 16:44:25 | spiralman | hmm, no rsa1 key file... |
| 16:44:33 | gonz | spiralman: try "ssh-agent bash " and then "ssh-add" - are there errors ? |
| 16:44:34 | spiralman | perhaps thats my problem... |
| 16:44:46 | gonz | normally dsa is used today... rsa is for ssh1 imho |
| 16:45:04 | spiralman | ok i was able to just ssh into spiralman@handhelds.org... |
| 16:45:41 | spiralman | nevermind... |
| 16:46:10 | spiralman | hmm, says i need a passphrase for my .ssh/identity |
| 16:46:13 | spiralman | from ssh-add |
| 16:46:27 | gonz | you had to enter this one when creating the key |
| 16:46:32 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:46:35 | spiralman | yeah, and i did... |
| 16:46:47 | kergoth | .ssh/identity? |
| 16:46:50 | kergoth | it shouldnt be using that. |
| 16:47:10 | kergoth | spiralman: you generated a ssh v2 dsa public key. it defaults to ~/.ssh/id_dsa and ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub, not identity |
| 16:47:11 | gonz | kergoth: ssh-add tries to use .ssh/identity and .ssh/id_dsa |
| 16:47:18 | spiralman | kergoth: yeah, i know |
| 16:47:21 | kergoth | gonz: oh it adds both? cool |
| 16:47:27 | gonz | kergoth: yep |
| 16:47:29 | kergoth | tends to not use ssh-agent |
| 16:48:00 | gonz | ssh-agent is very helpful to me. i am working as sysadmin and have to connect to >100 machines several times per day. without ssh-agent that would be very hard... |
| 16:48:03 | spiralman | hmm, i wonder if there was a typo when i typed my passphrase in while generating the key... |
| 16:48:12 | kergoth | gonz: yeah it certainly saves time |
| 16:48:39 | gonz | spiralman: you could also make ssh-add only use the id_dsa by using "ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_dsa" |
| 16:49:22 | gonz | kergoth: but you need to make sure noone else uses your physical console ;) |
| 16:49:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:49:27 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:49:36 | kergoth | write a opie ssh key manager ;-) |
| 16:49:49 | spiralman | hmm... |
| 16:50:07 | spiralman | i did the ssh-add thing, and it asked me for the passphrase, and i entered one... |
| 16:50:15 | gonz | kergoth: that's not that easy because i think ssh-add uses console and not stdin... i.e. echo $PASSWORD | ssh-agent wouldn't work |
| 16:50:42 | gonz | spiralman: ssh-add -l now lists your identity ? if yes try the cvs thingy again ;) |
| 16:51:44 | spiralman | hm, i get two keys listed, one for thomas@thomas (my computer) and on that says ~/.ssh/id_dsa |
| 16:52:06 | gonz | does ssh to handhelds.org work now ? |
| 16:52:10 | spiralman | no... |
| 16:52:43 | gonz | funny...and you are sure your created keys aren't elsewhere ? |
| 16:52:43 | spiralman | hmm, it keeps trying to send the thomas@thomas key, and the server is refusing the key (according to the -v -v -v output) |
| 16:53:00 | gonz | spiralman: you could ssh -i ~/.ssh/id_dsa |
| 16:53:05 | spiralman | gonz: yep, im sure, i check that they were where they were supposed to be when i mad ehtm |
| 16:53:26 | gonz | normally ssh tries all keys in the agent ... |
| 16:53:38 | gonz | my normal agent setup has about 10 keys... |
| 16:54:34 | spiralman | debug1: Trying RSA authentication via agent with 'thomas@thomas' debug1: Server refused our key. debug1: RSA authentication using agent refused. debug1: Doing password authentication. |
| 16:54:49 | spiralman | thats what i get right before it asks me for my password... |
| 16:55:02 | gonz | ... which it doesn't accept ? |
| 16:55:17 | spiralman | yep |
| 16:55:18 | kergoth | it doesnt attempt DSA? |
| 16:55:19 | sgodsell | Hmm |
| 16:55:46 | gonz | perhaps you use an old ssh ? (not a newer openssh-version?) |
| 16:56:01 | spiralman | no, its a relatively new openssh... |
| 16:56:10 | spiralman | it does try the dsa key... |
| 16:56:11 | spiralman | hold on... |
| 16:56:21 | spiralman | debug1: identity file /home/thomas/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 |
| 16:56:33 | spiralman | debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version OpenSSH_3.1p1 |
| 16:56:45 | spiralman | debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.1p1 pat ^OpenSSH |
| 16:56:58 | spiralman | debug1: Local version string SSH-1.5-OpenSSH_2.9p1 |
| 16:57:06 | spiralman | debug1: Waiting for server public key. |
| 16:57:15 | spiralman | debug1: Received server public key (768 bits) and host key (1024 bits). |
| 16:57:23 | spiralman | debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: filename /home/thomas/.ssh/known_hosts debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: match line 10 debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: filename /home/thomas/.ssh/known_hosts debug3: check_host_in_hostfile: match line 9 |
| 16:57:37 | spiralman | debug1: Host 'handhelds.org' is known and matches the RSA1 host key. debug1: Found key in /home/thomas/.ssh/known_hosts:10 debug1: Encryption type: 3des debug1: Sent encrypted session key. debug1: Installing crc compensation attack detector. debug1: Received encrypted confirmation. |
| 16:57:47 | spiralman | sorry those last ones got messed up... |
| 16:58:04 | Harlekin | re |
| 16:58:15 | spiralman | but right after that last one is when it says "trying rsa authentication" etc... |
| 16:58:57 | pattieja | high guys |
| 16:59:06 | spiralman | hey pattieja, Harlekin |
| 16:59:33 | gonz | spiralman: try to set " Protocol 2,1" in you /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 16:59:41 | spiralman | k |
| 16:59:44 | pattieja | spiralman: I've got the kernel messages current not going to /dev/ttySA0 by having removed the console=... line from the boot params |
| 17:00:09 | pattieja | spiralman: I installed syslog so that I can redirect all kernel messages from being displayed on the console to files |
| 17:00:22 | pattieja | spiralman: via the normal syslog.conf configuration entries |
| 17:00:34 | sgodsell | Hello all ;) |
| 17:00:51 | pattieja | spiralman: however, when I try to start syslogd, it gives me errors stating that /var/log/kernel/... does not exist |
| 17:01:09 | pattieja | spiralman: what's the best place to create these files each time the iPAQ boots since this location is in tmpfs? |
| 17:01:15 | pattieja | afternoon sgodsell |
| 17:01:39 | spiralman | pattieja: well, you can put it somewhere on /root, or something, if you dont want it on ram |
| 17:01:46 | sgodsell | pattieja: if you are using the initrd then you should have a link for /var in /mnt/ramfs/var, oh and create the directories in it |
| 17:02:00 | pattieja | spiralman: I want it in ram, definitely |
| 17:02:01 | spiralman | pattieja: but make sure that once you get it working, you ether remove it, or set it back to /var, or you wil loose a lot of space... |
| 17:02:10 | spiralman | pattieja: then /var/ is fine... |
| 17:02:16 | spiralman | pattieja: tempfs is like ramfs... |
| 17:02:21 | gonz | the directories in /mnt/ramfs are created at boot time by unpacking /.ramfs.tar.gz |
| 17:02:21 | pattieja | spiralman: right |
| 17:02:34 | pattieja | gonz: ahh. That's the missing piece |
| 17:02:38 | pattieja | gonz: thanks |
| 17:02:43 | pattieja | hmm. |
| 17:02:59 | pattieja | that means to make things "permanent" I would need to add the directory structures to .ramfs.tar.gz |
| 17:03:19 | pattieja | gonz: which script is called to uncompress that file? |
| 17:03:30 | sgodsell | pattieja: linuxrc |
| 17:03:32 | gonz | pattieja: not sure, but i guess /linuxrc |
| 17:03:36 | pattieja | cool |
| 17:03:53 | pattieja | k. I'll put my "mkdir"'s after the untar happens |
| 17:03:55 | pattieja | thanks guys |
| 17:04:25 | spiralman | ok, i figured out that i had a ~/.ssh/config file, that had protocol 1,2, so i changed that |
| 17:04:40 | Harlekin | hi spiralman |
| 17:04:45 | spiralman | and i get different output now, but it still asks for my hh.org password, which still doesnt work... |
| 17:04:47 | spiralman | Harlekin: hey |
| 17:04:48 | Harlekin | hey |
| 17:04:55 | Harlekin | stats familiar talk |
| 17:04:56 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:05:00 | Harlekin | -> #familiar |
| 17:05:02 | Harlekin | *g* |
| 17:06:33 | spiralman | hmm, looks like its still trying to verify over rsa... |
| 17:06:34 | sgodsell | spiralman: are using -l on your ssh |
| 17:06:39 | spiralman | no |
| 17:06:51 | spiralman | name@hh.org... |
| 17:08:10 | sgodsell | spiralman: Correct me if I am wrong, but when you ssh to some box. It will try to use the current username. To override it you should use -l username |
| 17:08:33 | spiralman | sgodsell: it should also override it if you use the username@server convention |
| 17:08:57 | spiralman | sgodsell: and it is asking me for spiralman's password, not thomas's (thomas is my user on the linux machine...) |
| 17:09:57 | pattieja | hmm. syslog running. klogd running. Messages still being dumped to the console and to /var/log/kernel/... files. |
| 17:10:13 | pattieja | what does the '-' in front of the filename path in /etc/syslog.conf mean? |
| 17:10:21 | pattieja | log to the console also? |
| 17:12:32 | sgodsell | pattieja: The log to your console is initially controled by your params file |
| 17:13:30 | gonz | pattieja: looks like it ;) |
| 17:13:49 | gonz | can one put a fake-value in here to get no console output at all ? |
| 17:13:59 | pattieja | gonz: doesn't look like it |
| 17:14:08 | pattieja | gonz: I've even tried dumping it to /dev/null |
| 17:14:30 | gonz | is surfing for that |
| 17:14:32 | pattieja | the kernel messages for bootup then don't go to the console, but once init is launched, all messages are dumped to the console again |
| 17:14:48 | gonz | parrieja: ah, that helps |
| 17:15:00 | pattieja | sgodsell: I don't have console in /boot/params anymore |
| 17:15:15 | pattieja | sgodsell: I don't want the messages dumping to the serial port since I'm trying to get the stowaway keyboard to work |
| 17:15:25 | ljp | if someone sends me one of each version of ipaqs, I'll guarantee opie will work on them all! ;) |
| 17:15:34 | pattieja | sgodsell: and if the kernel is dumping messages to the serial port, the stowaway module doesn't work, etc. etc. |
| 17:15:39 | gonz | pattieja: then it's the syslog to redirect it later... you could try by moving /etc/init.d/syslogd to /etc/init.d/syslogd.notrightnow and boot again ;) |
| 17:15:58 | gonz | is interested in a solution, also |
| 17:15:59 | sgodsell | pattieja: If you change the params file, then it will change the console. I guarantee it |
| 17:16:00 | pattieja | gonz: I think I just need to configure syslog properly |
| 17:16:04 | spiralman | why does hh.org keep trying to use the rsa key? |
| 17:16:12 | pattieja | sgodsell: what do you mean? |
| 17:16:18 | gonz | doesn't want syslog at all |
| 17:16:29 | gonz | spiralman: good question... |
| 17:16:34 | kergoth | okay new opie-base in the ipaq feed. the new opie background should come up fine by default now |
| 17:16:38 | pattieja | sgodsell: I've tried /dev/null before, and /dev/ttySA1 and /dev/ttyS0, etc. Nothing works |
| 17:16:47 | sgodsell | pattieja: There is a set linuxargs in the params file. There should be console=.... |
| 17:16:52 | gonz | spiralman: tried with ssh -2 ? |
| 17:17:04 | pattieja | sgodsell: I know this. |
| 17:17:11 | sgodsell | pattieja: Are you dual-booting |
| 17:17:15 | sgodsell | ? |
| 17:17:18 | weimer | pattieja: Just droping in. Do you have problems freeing serial port on ipaq? |
| 17:17:29 | pattieja | sgodsell: I've set "console=/dev/ttySA1", "console=/dev/null", etc. before, and it didn't work |
| 17:17:41 | pattieja | sgodsell: no, I'm not dual booting |
| 17:17:44 | sgodsell | pattieja: What kernel version? |
| 17:17:48 | kergoth | pattieja: sounds like you need to disable console to serial port and enable console to VT in the kernel config. heh. |
| 17:17:50 | spiralman | hmm, im on the admin page, and for the public keys field, it only has one, and its ssh-dss. shouldnt that be ssh-dsa? |
| 17:17:51 | pattieja | weimer: not when I remove the console=/dev/ttySA0 line |
| 17:17:58 | pattieja | sgodsell: 2.4.18-rmk3 |
| 17:18:18 | weimer | pattieja: You want to have the serial port free? |
| 17:18:21 | sgodsell | pattieja: Did you build your own? |
| 17:18:27 | pattieja | sgodsell: no |
| 17:18:38 | pattieja | weimer: yes so I can get the stowaway keyboard to work |
| 17:18:51 | weimer | pattieja: Try "console=null" |
| 17:19:00 | egor | got kernel 2.4.18 running with task-opie now where or how do i get all the apps |
| 17:19:05 | pattieja | weimer: I've got the keyboard working now, but the messages for the kernel and others dump to the console and mess up the framebuffer that OPIE runs on |
| 17:19:12 | kergoth | egor: the same feed you installed task-opie from |
| 17:19:14 | pattieja | weimer: hmm. ok. trying... |
| 17:19:38 | gonz | spiralman: i think dss is ok (but not too sure) |
| 17:19:39 | kergoth | pattieja: try running opie on a different virtual terminal than 1, by using the chvt command. |
| 17:19:45 | kergoth | pattieja: thats how its handled on th ezaurus. |
| 17:20:00 | gonz | why not take the ssh -v output of someone else and your one and do a diff ? |
| 17:20:05 | weimer | kergoth: That didn't worl for me. |
| 17:20:08 | egor | kergoth: if i try to install task-opie-complete i get errors advanceFn |
| 17:20:21 | kergoth | egor; the control file for advancedfm was broken. i'm updating the package in a few |
| 17:20:29 | VerxWork | looks like opie-base is different in the feed |
| 17:20:32 | kergoth | egor: install the apps you want manually |
| 17:20:36 | VerxWork | than in the package file |
| 17:20:39 | egor | ok thanks |
| 17:20:48 | VerxWork | an update looks for 20020515.1 |
| 17:20:51 | kergoth | VerxWork: i just updated the package file about 30 seconds ago |
| 17:20:53 | VerxWork | and the feed has 20020516 |
| 17:20:56 | VerxWork | oh, ok |
| 17:21:02 | VerxWork | heh, I was trying to do an update |
| 17:21:12 | kergoth | bash-2.05$ rm -f ~opie/website/html/feed/ipaq/Packages; ~opie/ipkg-make-index ~opie/website/html/feed/ipaq; |
| 17:21:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:21:17 | VerxWork | well |
| 17:21:23 | VerxWork | I think it is still wrong |
| 17:21:23 | weimer | pattieja: Any luck? |
| 17:21:37 | VerxWork | Downloading http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/opie-base_1.5.0-20020515.1_arm.i |
| 17:21:37 | VerxWork | pk |
| 17:21:38 | VerxWork | wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found |
| 17:21:38 | VerxWork | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -n |
| 17:21:38 | VerxWork | d -P /tmp/ipkg-d4MlBn http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/opie-base_1.5.0-200 |
| 17:21:38 | VerxWork | 20515.1_arm.ipk' |
| 17:21:39 | VerxWork | ERROR: Failed to download opie-base. Perhaps you need to run `ipkg update'? |
| 17:21:49 | VerxWork | this is directly following an "ipkg update" |
| 17:22:05 | gonz | spiralman, however - if you still are beeing asked for a password i am about sure your ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub is not in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 of the corresponding user at handhelds.org |
| 17:22:06 | kergoth | VerxWork: i just edited Packages with vi and verified that its correct. |
| 17:22:26 | VerxWork | Downloading http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/Packages |
| 17:22:26 | VerxWork | Packages 100% |*****************************| 41719 00:00 ETA |
| 17:22:27 | VerxWork | Updated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/opie |
| 17:22:44 | gonz | spiralman: or it was put there with cut-and paste via a line-wrapping editor ;) |
| 17:22:46 | spiralman | gonz: ok, ill try changing my pub key |
| 17:23:08 | pattieja | weimer: thanks. That helped alot, but not completely |
| 17:23:14 | gonz | nope, i think it should be not touched but believe the problem to be at handhelds.org or so |
| 17:23:25 | weimer | pattieja: Did you install syslog? |
| 17:23:30 | gonz | it would be good to have someone look in the logs at handhelds.org |
| 17:23:30 | pattieja | weimer: the moment I killed getty, a message popped onto the console stating that there were no more processes in this runlevel |
| 17:23:31 | kergoth | bash-2.05$ cat Packages | grep "Package: opie-base" -A2 |
| 17:23:31 | kergoth | Package: opie-base |
| 17:23:31 | kergoth | Installed-Size: 633268 |
| 17:23:31 | kergoth | Version: 1.5.0-20020516.1 |
| 17:23:31 | kergoth | bash-2.05$ |
| 17:24:00 | kergoth | VerxWork: sounds like your ISP may be caching Packages. as its correct on handhelds. |
| 17:24:01 | pattieja | weimer: yes, syslog is installed and logging to /var/log/kernel/{errors|info|warnings} for all kernel messages |
| 17:24:07 | pattieja | weimer: maybe I'm missing some? |
| 17:24:29 | weimer | hmm |
| 17:24:40 | weimer | starts searching his brain |
| 17:24:55 | gonz | spiralman: normally you never need to touch any files in .ssh at the client side |
| 17:25:03 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 16:09:50) |
| 17:25:05 | Harlekin | kergoth: then we better patch launcher |
| 17:25:14 | weimer | pattieja: what kind of messages do you get at the framebuffer? |
| 17:25:23 | kergoth | Harlekin: zecke just changed Resource to check for the existance of .jpg |
| 17:25:33 | Harlekin | ? |
| 17:25:37 | kergoth | Harlekin: opie-base in the feed is already updated |
| 17:25:40 | Harlekin | k |
| 17:25:45 | spiralman | gonz: im adding my pub key on hh.org... there is a form that lets you change it... |
| 17:25:51 | Harlekin | since a png is 7 times bigger |
| 17:26:00 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:26:08 | kergoth | fyi the screenshot gallery supports .png now. |
| 17:26:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:26:13 | VerxWork | I installed it manually |
| 17:26:15 | VerxWork | that got it |
| 17:26:16 | gonz | spiralman: good idea |
| 17:26:33 | Harlekin | spiralman: gonz account sharing? |
| 17:26:37 | Harlekin | tsts |
| 17:26:46 | gonz | Harlekin: ?? |
| 17:27:00 | kergoth | Harlekin: walking spiralman through getting his ssh public key auth to his handhelds.org acct |
| 17:27:02 | spiralman | Harlekin: hes just trying to help me log in to hh.org... |
| 17:27:04 | gonz | is just trying to help fix some ssh issues spiralman has with cvs |
| 17:27:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:27:11 | gonz | :) |
| 17:27:21 | VerxWork | is there anyone here with an iPAQ 3850? |
| 17:27:54 | spiralman | damnit |
| 17:28:17 | spiralman | i copy-pasted my key from my ~/.ssh/ dir to the hh.org form, and it still doesnt work... |
| 17:28:45 | kergoth | spiralman: whats your account name on handhelds? |
| 17:28:50 | spiralman | kergoth: spiralman |
| 17:29:09 | kergoth | kergoth@handhelds:/home$ ls spiralman |
| 17:29:09 | kergoth | ls: spiralman: No such file or directory |
| 17:29:09 | kergoth | kergoth@handhelds:/home$ |
| 17:29:15 | spiralman | hmm... |
| 17:29:16 | kergoth | spiralman: email admin@handhelds.org |
| 17:29:19 | spiralman | k |
| 17:29:20 | kergoth | spiralman: hehe |
| 17:29:45 | VerxWork | anyone know how expensive mmc memory is? |
| 17:29:51 | gonz | :) |
| 17:29:51 | kergoth | cheaper than sd |
| 17:30:11 | kergoth | slower though too. I dont know if the ipaq takes advantage of sd's speed, but the Z certainly doesnt |
| 17:30:15 | gonz | kergoth: grep spiralman /etc/passwd ? |
| 17:30:22 | gonz | :) |
| 17:30:35 | VerxWork | looks like 128MB is the biggest MMC I can currently find |
| 17:30:40 | VerxWork | only $87 for it tho |
| 17:30:42 | VerxWork | not too bad |
| 17:30:46 | kergoth | gonz: the account exists, but jamey didnt create him a homedir and setup his authorized hosts or key or anything.. so it seems |
| 17:31:00 | VerxWork | and MMC works in an SD slot, and I can read that in Linux? |
| 17:31:00 | gonz | kergoth: thanks for your support ! |
| 17:31:13 | kergoth | VerxWork: assuming a mmc driver exists. |
| 17:31:19 | kergoth | VerxWork: i dont know whether one does |
| 17:31:23 | kergoth | gonz: np |
| 17:31:25 | VerxWork | I had heard that one did |
| 17:31:33 | kergoth | VerxWork: verify it before you buy one ;-) |
| 17:31:48 | VerxWork | obviously |
| 17:31:49 | VerxWork | :) |
| 17:32:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:32:05 | VerxWork | actually |
| 17:32:10 | VerxWork | work just gave me a 3850 today |
| 17:32:11 | djb | can anyone tell me the name of the vnc viewer? |
| 17:32:16 | VerxWork | so I have a 3650 and a 3850 now |
| 17:32:36 | kergoth | djb: keypebble |
| 17:32:48 | djb | hmm |
| 17:32:50 | djb | which feed? |
| 17:32:56 | kergoth | djb: the opie one, obviously |
| 17:33:01 | djb | doesn't seem to be there |
| 17:33:02 | kergoth | djb: its technically opie-keypebble |
| 17:33:06 | djb | ah |
| 17:33:14 | kergoth | you asked the name, not hte package name :-P |
| 17:33:20 | djb | much better |
| 17:33:25 | djb | silly me |
| 17:33:26 | djb | :) |
| 17:33:31 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:33:57 | djb | is there a way to make opie refresh the install applications without restarting it from a shell? |
| 17:34:04 | djb | installed |
| 17:34:06 | djb | I should say |
| 17:34:19 | kergoth | djb: there's a qcop call. oipkg does it for you if you're using it |
| 17:34:29 | kergoth | djb: otherwise just go to shutdown in settings and hit restart opie |
| 17:34:37 | VerxWork | man |
| 17:34:42 | kergoth | VerxWork: ? |
| 17:34:43 | VerxWork | no one seems to have a 3850 |
| 17:34:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:35:02 | VerxWork | I am just a bit nervous about switching it over from pocketpc os |
| 17:35:07 | VerxWork | without talking to someone that has done it first |
| 17:35:10 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:35:45 | VerxWork | like for instance |
| 17:35:57 | VerxWork | can I install an image from a 3650 onto a 3850? |
| 17:36:45 | mark | no |
| 17:36:50 | djb | I have a 3875 |
| 17:37:05 | VerxWork | mark: Why? |
| 17:37:09 | VerxWork | djb: AWESOME |
| 17:37:13 | mark | you need the image for a 38xx |
| 17:37:15 | VerxWork | djb: What can you tell me to look out for |
| 17:37:25 | VerxWork | mark: I meant root filesystem image |
| 17:37:25 | djb | VerxWork: everything is broken |
| 17:37:27 | djb | nothing works |
| 17:37:28 | VerxWork | just to be clear |
| 17:37:30 | djb | expect nothing |
| 17:37:33 | VerxWork | djb: Are you serious? |
| 17:37:36 | djb | then you'll be really happy |
| 17:37:40 | djb | because a good bit does work |
| 17:37:46 | VerxWork | almost everything works on 3650 |
| 17:37:48 | djb | :) |
| 17:38:05 | djb | right now the big thing with the 38xx is that the power management is still a little dicey |
| 17:38:11 | djb | and the screen stuff is weird |
| 17:38:20 | djb | apparently they installed the screen upside down |
| 17:38:25 | djb | which is fixable easily |
| 17:38:31 | djb | but your joypad buttons will be backward |
| 17:38:36 | djb | and there isn't any way to fix that yet |
| 17:38:40 | VerxWork | wow |
| 17:38:50 | hash | doih |
| 17:38:54 | mark | djb: lol |
| 17:39:01 | djb | everything is straightforward from the docs |
| 17:39:03 | VerxWork | does the 3800 series allow multiple button presses at the same time? |
| 17:39:05 | djb | use familiar 0.5.2 |
| 17:39:18 | djb | and get kernel hh7 if that isn't what gets installed |
| 17:39:28 | djb | then install opie |
| 17:39:43 | hash | i just installed a 11 meg dictionary in to my rom... hehe |
| 17:39:47 | djb | you should be set |
| 17:39:57 | VerxWork | djb: Does it have MMC support? |
| 17:40:05 | djb | you may have to edit /etc/init.d/qpe for the screen flip |
| 17:40:11 | djb | no, I don't think so |
| 17:40:13 | djb | not yet |
| 17:40:15 | VerxWork | arg |
| 17:40:20 | VerxWork | that is when I will really like it |
| 17:40:23 | djb | hmm |
| 17:40:24 | VerxWork | is when they get that working |
| 17:40:25 | djb | maybe it does |
| 17:40:30 | VerxWork | I had heard it does |
| 17:40:35 | djb | I know they think they'll probably never support SD |
| 17:40:36 | spiralman | djb: you shouldnt have to edit that file anymore... |
| 17:40:38 | djb | but MMC yes |
| 17:40:47 | djb | spiralman: I didn't think so, but I figured I'd mention it just in case |
| 17:41:10 | djb | spiralman: I take it that it detects the hardware type now and tries to do the right thing? |
| 17:41:16 | spiralman | djb: yes |
| 17:41:26 | VerxWork | spiralman: Do the buttons still not work in the right direction tho? |
| 17:41:53 | djb | VerxWork: I said they didn't! |
| 17:41:55 | djb | VerxWork: :) |
| 17:42:04 | djb | VerxWork: spiralman and I just had that conversation |
| 17:42:27 | VerxWork | ok |
| 17:42:30 | VerxWork | sorry, I missed it |
| 17:42:30 | spiralman | yeah, i think its burried deep in QT that sets those... |
| 17:42:50 | VerxWork | ok |
| 17:42:58 | VerxWork | what about the funky keyboard for the 3800 series? |
| 17:43:03 | VerxWork | the compaq one |
| 17:43:10 | VerxWork | any idea if it works? |
| 17:43:26 | djb | I have no idea. |
| 17:43:33 | VerxWork | basically it looks like it would be just as good as the zaurus one |
| 17:43:35 | Harlekin | VerxWork: familiar questions |
| 17:43:38 | djb | I thought I read that it did |
| 17:43:39 | Harlekin | nothing to do with opie |
| 17:43:46 | egor | to get the current opie should the ipkg.conf file have as the source http://opie/handhelds.org/feeds ? |
| 17:44:03 | Harlekin | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq |
| 17:44:10 | djb | hmm |
| 17:44:20 | djb | I can't get the vnc viewer to work |
| 17:44:24 | djb | all I get is connection refused |
| 17:45:05 | egor | ok after that has been updated and i have installed task-opie what next to get the apps installed |
| 17:45:23 | kergoth | install the apps you want. |
| 17:47:27 | CraHan | evening all |
| 17:47:51 | CraHan | could it be that the packages file needs to be recreated? |
| 17:48:13 | spiralman | CraHan: for what? qpe2uschedule? yes, it does... |
| 17:48:43 | spiralman | kergoth: also, the new opie-base has the same version as yesterdays, so i cant ipkg upgrade it... |
| 17:48:44 | CraHan | weird |
| 17:48:55 | CraHan | i did an ipkg update and ipgrade |
| 17:49:02 | CraHan | and the only thing that was upgraded was ipkg |
| 17:49:09 | spiralman | kergoth: wait, might be my mistake |
| 17:49:22 | spiralman | kergoth: yeah, my bad, sorry |
| 17:49:34 | CraHan | although like embeddedkonsole is a new version too |
| 17:49:43 | djb | can you cut and paste in opie? |
| 17:50:14 | spiralman | CraHan: when did you do this, and when was the feed you installed before from? |
| 17:51:09 | CraHan | the opie feed |
| 17:51:12 | CraHan | 0805 version |
| 17:51:20 | CraHan | now it's the 1505 version or should be |
| 17:51:28 | CraHan | and i installed yesterday evening |
| 17:51:38 | CraHan | and i'm trying to upgrade now |
| 17:52:24 | spiralman | hmm, did you install the 0805 yesterday, or the 1505 yesterday? |
| 17:52:32 | CraHan | 0805 yesterday |
| 17:52:37 | CraHan | all packages installed are 0805 |
| 17:53:08 | spiralman | hmm... |
| 17:53:16 | spiralman | and ipkg update; ipkg upgrade didnt fix it? |
| 17:53:49 | CraHan | nope |
| 17:53:55 | CraHan | i'm trying again now |
| 17:54:55 | CraHan | for example: |
| 17:54:57 | CraHan | Package opie-textedit (1.5.0-20020508) installed in root is up to date |
| 17:55:01 | djb | keypebble doesn't work |
| 17:55:04 | djb | I can connect |
| 17:55:08 | djb | but I get a blank screen |
| 17:55:08 | CraHan | is one line of the ipkg upgrade command |
| 17:55:19 | CraHan | as you can see it says 0508 |
| 17:55:25 | CraHan | not the 0215 |
| 17:55:28 | CraHan | 0515 that is |
| 17:55:48 | spiralman | CraHan: hmm, the packages file and the feed look fine to me... |
| 17:55:55 | spiralman | CraHan: and they worked for me last night as well |
| 17:55:58 | CraHan | when i look at the packages file |
| 17:56:09 | spiralman | CraHan: perhaps ipkg is messed up on your ipaq? |
| 17:56:11 | CraHan | it always says 0508 for build numbers |
| 17:56:22 | spiralman | on your ipaq it does? |
| 17:56:33 | CraHan | no |
| 17:56:36 | CraHan | onlne |
| 17:56:39 | CraHan | online |
| 17:56:43 | CraHan | Version: 1.5.0-20020508 |
| 17:56:48 | spiralman | hmm, it doesnt when i look at it... |
| 17:56:49 | CraHan | is example the addressbook |
| 17:56:54 | CraHan | i've refreshed |
| 17:57:02 | CraHan | cleared the cache |
| 17:57:07 | spiralman | Upgrading qpe2uschedule from 0.3 to 0.4 Configuring qpe2uschedule...uschedulecmd: fatal: failed to open_excl qpewake: file already exists pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/qpe2uschedule.postinst configure' failed. ERROR: qpe2uschedule.postinst returned 111 Package opie-textedit (1.5.0-20020515) installed in root is up to date sh-2.03# mkfifo: cannot create fifo ``/var/spool/at/trigger'': File exists |
| 17:57:12 | spiralman | oops, sorry |
| 17:57:18 | spiralman | Package: opie-addressbook Installed-Size: 101712 Version: 1.5.0-20020515 |
| 17:57:44 | CraHan | i searched the online packages file for 0515 |
| 17:57:52 | CraHan | and it says it's not in the document |
| 17:57:59 | spiralman | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/Packages |
| 17:58:04 | spiralman | is that the url you are using? |
| 17:58:12 | CraHan | yup |
| 17:58:14 | CraHan | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/ |
| 17:58:25 | CraHan | that's the dir with the packages |
| 17:59:02 | CraHan | this is weird |
| 17:59:02 | kergoth | all the packages are 0515 except opie-base which is 0515 |
| 17:59:11 | CraHan | hang on |
| 17:59:13 | kergoth | i've verified on ssh to handhelds.org in the Packages itself. |
| 17:59:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:59:17 | CraHan | lemme download the file I see online |
| 17:59:59 | CraHan | this is the fle |
| 18:00:00 | CraHan | file |
| 18:00:04 | CraHan | downloaded just now |
| 18:00:10 | kergoth | well its wrong. your ISP is likely caching it. |
| 18:00:20 | CraHan | could be |
| 18:00:20 | kergoth | i cant accept dcc's. behind a firewall outside of my control |
| 18:00:30 | CraHan | is there a way I can put the file on my ipaq manually? |
| 18:00:34 | CraHan | np |
| 18:00:40 | kergoth | wget |
| 18:00:45 | CraHan | well |
| 18:00:46 | kergoth | wget the package itself |
| 18:00:57 | CraHan | from someone who has the file non cached |
| 18:01:02 | CraHan | if it is my isp |
| 18:01:13 | CraHan | using wget wouldn't do me much good :) |
| 18:01:17 | kergoth | yeah it would |
| 18:01:22 | kergoth | because you know the package names are 0515 just like i said |
| 18:01:28 | kergoth | so you know the new filename |
| 18:01:30 | kergoth | (s) |
| 18:01:35 | CraHan | so i rename the whole thing? |
| 18:01:45 | kergoth | hm? |
| 18:01:55 | spiralman | CraHan: hes saying to manually download the new 1505 packages |
| 18:02:00 | CraHan | aah |
| 18:02:07 | CraHan | i'd rather wait then :) |
| 18:02:52 | CraHan | I'm asking someone in sweden to download and send me the file |
| 18:02:57 | kergoth | cat Packages | sed -e 's,0508,0515,g' >newPackages. for i in `cat newPackages|grep -i filename:|cut -d: -f1|sed -e 's,^[ ],,g'`; do wget http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/$i; done; |
| 18:02:59 | CraHan | I'll see if he gets a recent version |
| 18:03:06 | CraHan | oh cool |
| 18:03:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:03:15 | kergoth | shell scripting is you friend |
| 18:03:16 | kergoth | i need some food |
| 18:03:20 | CraHan | thanks |
| 18:03:45 | kergoth`lunch | opie-base will fail to download there though because opie-base is 0516. download it manually |
| 18:03:48 | kergoth`lunch | bbiaf |
| 18:05:00 | gonz | i think i have an easy fix for reinstalling, just trying it before ;) |
| 18:05:06 | Merlin83b | Grey box with blue circle means newer local version, right? |
| 18:05:13 | CraHan | ok |
| 18:05:17 | CraHan | the filedate |
| 18:05:26 | CraHan | is correct, it says 16 may |
| 18:05:31 | CraHan | but the contents is wrong... |
| 18:05:37 | CraHan | that's about as much as I can see |
| 18:05:53 | CraHan | i don't see how it would show the new filedate, but the wrong contents |
| 18:06:29 | gonz | ok, it doesn't work like expected ;) |
| 18:07:12 | gonz | shit! |
| 18:07:17 | gonz | trashed his setup |
| 18:07:18 | CraHan | ok can someone here get that package file for me from the net and send it over... so I know for a fact that the file is being cached by my ISP and I know that's my problem? |
| 18:08:23 | gonz | well, i didn't trash it, but lost 2 megs... funny |
| 18:08:48 | gonz | i did: |
| 18:08:55 | gonz | sh-2.03# PKGS=`ipkg -dest root status|grep "Package: opie" | cut -d : -f2` |
| 18:09:04 | gonz | sh-2.03# ipkg remove $PKGS |
| 18:09:11 | gonz | sh-2.03# ipkg -dest root install $PKGS |
| 18:09:24 | spiralman | CraHan: there... |
| 18:09:30 | Merlin83b | Is there any way to get ipkg to only upgrade from one feed? (ie. the opie feed and not the familiar feed) |
| 18:09:33 | CraHan | darn not getting anything here spiralman |
| 18:09:42 | CraHan | dcc doesn't seem to work |
| 18:09:42 | spiralman | CraHan: hmm... |
| 18:09:49 | CraHan | crahan@gmx.net |
| 18:09:52 | CraHan | can you mail? |
| 18:09:53 | spiralman | CraHan : yeah, must be the combo of your firewall and mine |
| 18:09:54 | gonz | Merlin83b: i just comment all the feeds but the one i want to update |
| 18:09:55 | spiralman | CraHan: yeah |
| 18:09:58 | CraHan | thanks |
| 18:10:12 | Merlin83b | gonz: I was hoping there was a more elegant way than that. Oh well. |
| 18:10:24 | gonz | Merlin83b: since we are in |
| 18:10:32 | Merlin83b | Hmm, that and I don't want it to update irdaapplet. |
| 18:10:42 | gonz | #opie, you could use oipkg which lets you choose which feeds to show/use ;) |
| 18:10:49 | djb | is there an irc client for opie? |
| 18:10:52 | spiralman | CraHan: sent |
| 18:10:58 | Merlin83b | Yeah, and then just select all the packages from the list and hit it. |
| 18:11:00 | djb | there has to be |
| 18:11:01 | spiralman | djb: zic,... |
| 18:11:03 | | hmmm... zic is zic.sourceforge.net or an irc client |
| 18:11:03 | Merlin83b | ibot: zic |
| 18:11:29 | spiralman | djb: make sure you link /home/QtPalmtop to /opt/QtPalmtop before you install it |
| 18:11:45 | spiralman | djb: because apparently Sharp couldnt put Qtopia in the correct place... |
| 18:12:14 | gonz | btw: shouldn't there be a pkg in opie to do this ? at least opie wants to remain compatible ;) |
| 18:12:34 | Merlin83b | To do what gonz? |
| 18:12:45 | djb | grrr |
| 18:12:48 | gonz | like task-opie doing a "ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop /home/QtPalmtop" |
| 18:12:53 | spiralman | link /home/QtPalmtop to /opt/QtPalmtop... |
| 18:13:03 | CraHan | thanks spiralman |
| 18:13:52 | djb | I get a dependency error |
| 18:13:54 | spiralman | CraHan: np |
| 18:13:56 | djb | trying to install zic |
| 18:13:58 | spiralman | djb: to what? |
| 18:14:02 | djb | it doesn't say |
| 18:14:06 | djb | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zic: |
| 18:14:07 | djb | This could mean that your package list is out of date, (try "ipkg update"), |
| 18:14:07 | djb | or that the packages mentioned above do not yet exist. |
| 18:14:08 | spiralman | hmm |
| 18:14:14 | spiralman | --force-depends |
| 18:15:45 | Merlin83b | Dammit, oipkg didn't work - it did that good old gunzip error. |
| 18:15:52 | Merlin83b | Where's tille when you need him. |
| 18:16:39 | jusdisgi | spiral; is the opie-remote at rit.edu reasonably up to date? |
| 18:16:46 | | well, oipkg is at http://spinne.chemie.unibas.ch/~vogtp/opie/oipkg/ or Opie Projects advanced gui ipkg installer |
| 18:16:46 | Merlin83b | ibot oipkg |
| 18:16:55 | spiralman | jusdisgi: yeah |
| 18:17:11 | spiralman | jusdisgi: i havent changed anything between it and the one in the feed |
| 18:17:27 | jusdisgi | spiral; i keep getting "can't connect to socket"...i've done the chmod, and lircd is running... |
| 18:17:31 | spiralman | jusdisgi: the one in the feed is the same |
| 18:17:33 | spiralman | jusdisgi: hmm... |
| 18:17:47 | jusdisgi | oh, i didn't see it in the feed... |
| 18:17:48 | spiralman | jusdisgi: do you have a /etc/lircd.conf ? |
| 18:17:56 | jusdisgi | yeah... |
| 18:18:06 | jusdisgi | its from lirc.org...the rca dss file |
| 18:19:48 | spiralman | hmm |
| 18:19:57 | spiralman | and you insmod lirc_sir? |
| 18:21:08 | jusdisgi | pretty sure.... |
| 18:21:12 | spiralman | lsmod it... |
| 18:21:22 | mark | fsck |
| 18:22:13 | spiralman | hmm, there needs to be a feedlink directory, which has symlinks to the actuall packages in the feed, so that we can link to files there... |
| 18:22:22 | Merlin83b | Crazy. It's still the case that opipkg works fine if run from a console at debug 9, doesn't work if run straight from the gui. |
| 18:22:29 | CraHan_bike | it was cached |
| 18:22:39 | spiralman | CraHan_bike: works now? |
| 18:22:46 | CraHan_bike | i ran wget using -C and it got the new version |
| 18:23:15 | CraHan_bike | works now |
| 18:23:18 | CraHan_bike | it's upgrading |
| 18:24:14 | pattieja | I'm using keypebble under OPIE to connect to my currently running VNC session that I've got IRC'ing to this channel |
| 18:24:16 | jusdisgi | spiral; i don't see it...must've missed that after i rebooted a sec ago...that's probly it |
| 18:24:29 | pattieja | it's terrible1 |
| 18:24:37 | spiralman | jusdisgi: yeah, that happens to me a lot actually |
| 18:24:54 | spiralman | jusdisgi: Merlin83b is adding lirc support to the irda applet, so that should help... |
| 18:25:20 | pattieja | hmm. The shift key doesn't seem to work for shifting numbers on the stowaway |
| 18:25:43 | jusdisgi | hmmm...do i need the irda applet to do this stuff? i don't have it. |
| 18:26:12 | Merlin83b | Doesn't anyone else get this error with opikg? |
| 18:26:15 | spiralman | jusdisgi: no, you dont need it |
| 18:26:15 | Merlin83b | oipkg even |
| 18:26:42 | spiralman | jusdisgi: just saying that when it gets add, it will have a gui for starting and stoping lircd, which should make it easier... |
| 18:27:12 | spiralman | hmm, Nick says he fixed my hh.org account, but i still cant log in over ssh... |
| 18:30:18 | Merlin83b | Hmm, found a bug (well, a missing feature) in oipkg. |
| 18:30:32 | kergoth | Merlin83b: another one? ive got one heck of a list already.. |
| 18:30:34 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:30:37 | Merlin83b | kergoth: If an updated version of a pkg is available, you can't uninstall. |
| 18:30:38 | mark | anyone know 'bsearch()'? |
| 18:30:40 | Merlin83b | :-) |
| 18:30:59 | Merlin83b | kergoth: Do you know about this gunzip thing? |
| 18:31:13 | Merlin83b | Do we have a bugzilla or something similar? |
| 18:31:22 | kergoth | Merlin83b: hah. thats amusing. it doesnt seem to handle multiplek versions of packages very well |
| 18:31:25 | spiralman | kergoth: is tille not working on that anymore? |
| 18:31:27 | kergoth | Merlin83b: yes, handhelds.org buzilla |
| 18:31:40 | kergoth | spiralman: I think he is.. but the list is very long.. hehe. he's fixed a few so far |
| 18:31:48 | spiralman | yeah, it is... |
| 18:31:50 | Merlin83b | kergoth: Yeah, needs a little bit of hacking on. Have you taked over opikg from tille? |
| 18:32:03 | Merlin83b | Do people actually use the hh.org bugzilla? |
| 18:32:06 | kergoth | nope. I may assist if need be |
| 18:32:10 | spiralman | kergoth: Nick says he fixed my account, but it still trying to log in with the rsa key... |
| 18:32:13 | kergoth | Merlin83b: frankly, I never use the bugzilla myself |
| 18:32:29 | kergoth | spiralman: hmm odd.. may want to attach your output from ssh -v -v -v to nick... |
| 18:32:42 | spiralman | yeah, im thinking about that... |
| 18:33:25 | spiralman | would it work if i just made myself an rsa key? |
| 18:33:36 | kergoth | if you put that key on handhelds, in theory |
| 18:33:44 | kergoth | i dont know what the problem is, so i cant advise on a solution |
| 18:33:50 | spiralman | hmm, k |
| 18:33:52 | gonz | depends on the /etc/ssh/sshd_config at handhelds |
| 18:33:55 | spiralman | ill mail nick, and see what he says |
| 18:34:07 | gonz | but since dss was used when you did "ssh -2" it shouldn't matter |
| 18:34:08 | kergoth | gonz: true. i think it even allows ssh v1.. ugh.. heh |
| 18:34:11 | Morn | is back (gone 07:05:57) |
| 18:34:22 | kergoth | spiralman: cool |
| 18:35:03 | spiralman | gonz: no, when i use -2, it still tries to use my rsa key... |
| 18:35:20 | gonz | funny... |
| 18:35:59 | gonz | probably as a last resort ;) |
| 18:36:00 | spiralman | hmm.. hold on |
| 18:36:43 | spiralman | hmm, nevermind |
| 18:36:50 | spiralman | i thought i might have gotten it, but i didnt... |
| 18:36:53 | spiralman | still using rsa... |
| 18:37:08 | kergoth | yeah it should try rsa.;. but it should try your dsa key also |
| 18:37:15 | kergoth | spiralman: the permissions are correct on ~/.ssh/* right? |
| 18:37:39 | spiralman | kergoth; should be, ive been viewing and editing the file as thomas just fine... |
| 18:37:47 | | beer is probably hopefully cold enough |
| 18:37:47 | gonz | ibot: beer |
| 18:37:48 | spiralman | it sees my dsa key |
| 18:37:49 | kergoth | that doesnt matter |
| 18:37:58 | kergoth | just make sure its 600 please |
| 18:37:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:38:04 | spiralman | k |
| 18:38:26 | | it has been said that beer is hopefully cold enough |
| 18:38:26 | gonz | ibot: beer |
| 18:38:30 | | beer is hopefully cold enough |
| 18:38:30 | gonz | ibot: beer |
| 18:38:45 | Merlin83b | Hmm, I think I killed opie. |
| 18:38:49 | spiralman | kergoth: nope, same problem |
| 18:38:53 | Merlin83b | Oh no, it's okay. |
| 18:38:59 | kergoth | spiralmani: well, i'm out of ideas. heh |
| 18:39:02 | gonz | funny... when i ask ibot privately it tells a different thing all the time but when i do it here it seem to tell the same over and over... |
| 18:39:03 | Merlin83b | YOu just have to start it from a console when upgraded. |
| 18:39:07 | | hmmm... beer is yummi |
| 18:39:07 | gonz | ibot: beer |
| 18:39:14 | gonz | .. sometimes... |
| 18:39:28 | gonz | sorry for off-topic ;) |
| 18:40:00 | spiralman | hmm, the weird thing is, it seems to authenticate just find over dsa, then it tires rsa, it doesnt work, but then it tries to log in over rsa anyway... |
| 18:40:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:40:31 | kergoth | thats nuts |
| 18:40:45 | gonz | i still believe that either a) your id_dsa doesn't belong to your id_dsa.pub (unlikely) or b) your id_dsa.pub is not in the .authorized_keys2 |
| 18:40:50 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:40:52 | kergoth | must be |
| 18:40:58 | Merlin83b | Hmm, that new background for launcher doesn't quite work if you have enough apps to make launcher scrollable. |
| 18:41:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:41:28 | kergoth | it tiles it eh? |
| 18:41:33 | Merlin83b | Yep |
| 18:41:41 | kergoth | annoying. |
| 18:41:44 | Merlin83b | Yep |
| 18:41:47 | Merlin83b | :-) |
| 18:41:47 | kergoth | we need that to be configurable.. |
| 18:41:50 | kergoth | tile/stretch/center |
| 18:42:00 | Merlin83b | Uh-huh. |
| 18:42:06 | Merlin83b | Center would be a better default imo |
| 18:42:14 | kergoth | agreed |
| 18:43:12 | Merlin83b | Heh, oipkg says all done and the progress bar's at 50% :-) |
| 18:43:29 | kergoth | Merlin83b: yeah i hate that. |
| 18:43:35 | hash | anyone nkow what package irrecord is included in? |
| 18:43:39 | kergoth | Merlin83b: what it means is.. its as done as it can be, but half the packages failed to install. |
| 18:43:41 | kergoth | Merlin83b: heh |
| 18:43:50 | VerxWork | ok |
| 18:44:08 | VerxWork | someone told me I couldn't use a root image from a 3650 on a 3850 |
| 18:44:19 | VerxWork | when I go to the familiar installation instructions |
| 18:44:27 | VerxWork | it is the same images for 3600 and 3800 series |
| 18:44:41 | VerxWork | what gives? |
| 18:47:26 | gonz | wow, i gog my memory back (and even a little more), seemed to be just a little much at a time for the jffs2-driver ;) |
| 18:48:15 | VerxWork | looks like the micro keyboard is supposed to be supported |
| 18:48:28 | VerxWork | ok, gotta back up my previous boot image for the 3850 |
| 18:48:37 | kergoth | VerxWork: good luck :-) |
| 18:52:12 | VerxWork | I am hopeful it will work |
| 18:52:20 | VerxWork | if not, I will just do it manually |
| 18:52:25 | VerxWork | but this would save me a TON of time if it works |
| 18:53:18 | VerxWork | anyone know how to clear memory on the 3850? |
| 18:58:47 | spiralman | kergoth: it would be neat to have a feedlinks directory, with just links in it to the packages in the feed, so other sites can link directly to the packages, and not have to worry about their links going bad when the feed is updated |
| 19:00:30 | VerxWork | there isn't a power off button like on the 3650 |
| 19:01:03 | kergoth | spiralman: ah, links without versions in the filenames? |
| 19:01:19 | spiralman | kergoth: yes |
| 19:02:01 | kergoth | wouldnt ipkg freak trying to install them without versions in the filenames? |
| 19:02:01 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:02:15 | spiralman | no, not for ipkg |
| 19:02:20 | spiralman | it wouldnt be an actuall feed |
| 19:02:26 | kergoth | hmm? |
| 19:02:39 | kergoth | yeah but if they click on it from that other page to download it.. the filename would be that of the symlink. |
| 19:02:44 | spiralman | just links to the files in the feed, so websites could maintain links to the actual packages more easily |
| 19:02:44 | kergoth | which would lack versionig |
| 19:02:46 | kergoth | ing |
| 19:03:06 | spiralman | hmm, i see what you are saying... |
| 19:03:14 | kergoth | its a good idea.. but i cant see how to get around this.. hm |
| 19:03:17 | egor | VerxWork: on the 3850 you press the two outside buttons and then push the reset and hold for 5 seconds (min) |
| 19:04:03 | spiralman | kergoth: does ipkg check the version number in the filename when you install locally? |
| 19:04:09 | kergoth | spiralman: i wonder if we had the symlinks with versions.. but the version is 'current'.. so that way ipkg sees the filename makes sense in its sanity checking, but the version of the control file would be different than that. |
| 19:04:16 | spiralman | kergoth: cause once its installed, itll use the version from the control file.. |
| 19:04:21 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:04:24 | kergoth | exactly |
| 19:04:29 | VerxWork | egor: THANKS! |
| 19:04:32 | kergoth | so i think we can work it if we just create 'current' symlinks |
| 19:04:34 | kergoth | i'll work on it |
| 19:04:40 | egor | VerxWork: yep |
| 19:04:42 | spiralman | cool, thanks |
| 19:04:46 | VerxWork | didna work |
| 19:04:53 | VerxWork | datebook and curly arrow |
| 19:04:56 | VerxWork | hold both down |
| 19:05:04 | VerxWork | push reset and hold it 10 seconds |
| 19:05:10 | VerxWork | that should clear memory? |
| 19:05:38 | egor | VerxWork: yes |
| 19:05:40 | VerxWork | cuz it doesm |
| 19:05:43 | VerxWork | er, doesn't |
| 19:05:44 | VerxWork | :( |
| 19:06:00 | VerxWork | do I keep the outside buttons pressed while I hold the reset down for (say) 10 seconds? |
| 19:06:13 | VerxWork | or hold them down while I initially hit reset and then let go while I wait 10 seconds? |
| 19:06:16 | egor | VerxWork: yes |
| 19:06:17 | VerxWork | (I tried both. . .) |
| 19:06:42 | VerxWork | I can almost hear it laughing at me |
| 19:07:49 | VerxWork | ooooook, you have to do it WITHOUT power connected |
| 19:07:50 | VerxWork | that got it |
| 19:07:53 | VerxWork | thanks egor |
| 19:07:54 | hash | spiralman: does irrecord work on a ipaq? |
| 19:08:04 | gonz | hash: it does |
| 19:08:21 | hash | gonz: so, i just run it standalone after the modules are loaded? |
| 19:08:40 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:08:48 | VerxWork | now I need to download the rom as a backup |
| 19:09:02 | gonz | hash: yep, i believe so... i captured one of my remotes successfully on the ipaq |
| 19:09:09 | VerxWork | 3650_bb_052.jffs2 |
| 19:09:10 | spiralman | hash: yep, should work |
| 19:10:19 | hash | spiralman: just with "irrecord myTvRemote.conf" ? |
| 19:10:26 | spiralman | hash: yeah |
| 19:10:38 | spiralman | hash: does it not work? |
| 19:10:45 | spiralman | hash: you cant be running lircd at the same time... |
| 19:11:04 | hash | oh |
| 19:11:12 | hash | i'll kill that |
| 19:11:56 | hash | weird... |
| 19:12:09 | hash | when i push buttons when it tells me to, nothing happens |
| 19:12:16 | spiralman | hmm |
| 19:12:21 | spiralman | you may have to force it... |
| 19:12:40 | hash | ? |
| 19:12:41 | spiralman | do you get ...'s each time you press the button? |
| 19:12:46 | sandman | Hi all |
| 19:12:56 | hash | nope |
| 19:12:56 | hash | nothing |
| 19:13:09 | spiralman | hash: sometimes, it cant figure out the basics of the remote, so it needs to run in raw mode. check irrecord --help.. |
| 19:13:19 | hash | the lirc_sir module is loaded... |
| 19:13:27 | hash | k |
| 19:13:35 | hash | i tried 2 remotes, but both were the same |
| 19:14:05 | hash | i'm supposed to place the remote above the ipaq, right? |
| 19:14:16 | spiralman | yep |
| 19:14:21 | spiralman | point it at the ir port... |
| 19:15:11 | hash | still nothing |
| 19:15:17 | hash | i'll reload the modules |
| 19:16:30 | sandman | kergoth: Is there any script to rebuild the Packages file ? |
| 19:17:21 | kergoth | sandman: rm -f ~opie/website/html/feed/ipaq; ~opie/ipkg-make-index ~opie/website/html/feed/ipaq; |
| 19:17:24 | kergoth | oops |
| 19:17:25 | kergoth | i mean |
| 19:17:36 | kergoth | sandman: rm -f ~opie/website/html/feed/ipaq/Packages; ~opie/ipkg-make-index ~opie/website/html/feed/ipaq; |
| 19:17:39 | kergoth | there we go |
| 19:17:44 | hash | spiralman: i get nothing... is the only module i need lirc_sir? |
| 19:18:08 | spiralman | hash: its all i have... |
| 19:18:09 | sandman | First one would be a little bit destructive =) |
| 19:18:19 | kergoth | not without -r it wont |
| 19:18:21 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:18:39 | gonz | hash: i had no look with raw mode, too... |
| 19:19:16 | hash | am i supposed to push every button? |
| 19:19:24 | gonz | s/look/luck/ ;) |
| 19:19:41 | gonz | hash: they say "as many as possible" ;) |
| 19:22:03 | hash | seems like its working now |
| 19:24:36 | spiralman | YAY! |
| 19:24:42 | spiralman | nick fixed my hh.org account |
| 19:24:48 | gonz | it works ? |
| 19:24:55 | spiralman | the key was truncated... |
| 19:24:56 | spiralman | yep |
| 19:25:00 | gonz | congratulations ;) |
| 19:25:12 | gonz | hehe the cut/paste/wordwrap thingy i bet |
| 19:25:21 | spiralman | yeah, something like that... |
| 19:25:39 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:25:45 | gonz | this happens often |
| 19:25:49 | VerxWork | backing up my 3850 stuff right now |
| 19:26:01 | VerxWork | then I gotta copy it to my laptop for safekeeping |
| 19:26:20 | spiralman | ok, so cvs -d:ext:spiralman@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co opie, right? |
| 19:26:48 | spiralman | and export CVS_RSH=ssh before that? |
| 19:27:15 | gonz | looks like it could work ;) |
| 19:28:05 | VerxWork | does anyone remember if bootblaster removes the progress bar when it is done? |
| 19:28:29 | spiralman | i dont... |
| 19:28:33 | spiralman | its been a while : ) |
| 19:28:50 | VerxWork | ahhh |
| 19:28:50 | VerxWork | it does |
| 19:29:01 | VerxWork | copying it off using usb |
| 19:29:17 | VerxWork | (when I did this on my 3650, I had to get the wince_image.gz over serial, took FOREVER) |
| 19:29:25 | spiralman | hehe |
| 19:29:28 | spiralman | yeah, i can see that |
| 19:29:31 | gonz | spiralman perhaps export CVSROOT |
| 19:29:40 | spiralman | gonz: what should that be set to? |
| 19:30:05 | gonz | "export CVSROOT=:ext:spiralman...." |
| 19:30:11 | spiralman | ahh, that bit |
| 19:30:16 | spiralman | thatll just save me typing, right? |
| 19:30:28 | gonz | definitely |
| 19:31:16 | spiralman | kergoth: ok, ive got the latest cvs for opie, in a completely new directory, and ive got my chagned remote sources in another, how do i commit the changes? |
| 19:33:50 | VerxWork | ok, I got the boot loader working on my 3850 |
| 19:33:55 | VerxWork | now for the root image |
| 19:37:11 | gonz | spiralman: i won't swear but i think you copy your stuff over to the checked out dir and do a "cvs commit" |
| 19:37:14 | VerxWork | looks like the boot loader can see my compact flash card |
| 19:37:21 | VerxWork | not to try to write the root image |
| 19:37:41 | spiralman | gonz: yeah, but ill wait for somebody whos done it on this server, so i dont screw it up... |
| 19:37:51 | spiralman | gonz: dont wanna screw up my first commit... |
| 19:38:02 | VerxWork | gonz: Did you say you have a 3870? |
| 19:38:32 | gonz | you can backup and try, but instead ov cvs commit do a cvs diff... if this looks ok committing is save |
| 19:38:49 | VerxWork | ok, it is writing my 3650 root image to the 3850 |
| 19:38:55 | VerxWork | I am guessing it will work |
| 19:39:02 | spiralman | gonz: k |
| 19:39:03 | sandman | VerxWork: Hi -- did you get my mail ? |
| 19:39:06 | VerxWork | so far everything has worked exactly like my 3650 |
| 19:39:13 | VerxWork | lemme check, I just got a 3850 |
| 19:39:16 | VerxWork | been messing with it |
| 19:40:18 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:40:22 | VerxWork | so the new versions are in the feed |
| 19:40:25 | VerxWork | didn't realize that |
| 19:40:27 | VerxWork | thanks sandman |
| 19:40:41 | VerxWork | you know |
| 19:40:54 | VerxWork | I love the fact that there is a TON more data for it to erase before it programs flash |
| 19:40:56 | VerxWork | :))))) |
| 19:41:04 | VerxWork | does the 3850 have 32MB or 64MB of rom? |
| 19:41:07 | VerxWork | (flash) |
| 19:41:34 | sandman | "only" 32MB =) |
| 19:41:37 | VerxWork | heh |
| 19:41:38 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:41:43 | VerxWork | DOUBLE what I had before |
| 19:41:49 | VerxWork | it is gonna feel like heaven methinks |
| 19:42:07 | VerxWork | looks like it is booting |
| 19:42:27 | VerxWork | I have opie on my screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:42:28 | VerxWork | wooohooo |
| 19:42:30 | VerxWork | easy as pie |
| 19:42:40 | spiralman | gonz: i get this line: cvs [server aborted]: no such directory `noncore' , but i still get diff output, should i be fine? |
| 19:42:44 | VerxWork | the icons all look darker |
| 19:43:01 | VerxWork | wow, 32MB of rom and 32MB of RAM |
| 19:43:04 | VerxWork | very very very nice |
| 19:43:17 | VerxWork | anyone know if the cpu is still 206Mhz? |
| 19:43:30 | sandman | Shoudln't this be 64MB RAM (and yes CPU is still the same) |
| 19:44:13 | VerxWork | no, it looks like only 32MB of ram |
| 19:44:17 | VerxWork | according to df |
| 19:44:27 | VerxWork | ~ # df |
| 19:44:27 | VerxWork | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 19:44:28 | VerxWork | tmpfs 31500 52 31448 0% /mnt/ramfs |
| 19:44:41 | spiralman | the cpu is exactly the same in the 38xx |
| 19:44:44 | VerxWork | /dev/mtdblock/1 32256 12228 20028 38% / |
| 19:44:48 | spiralman | but everything else is different... |
| 19:44:50 | VerxWork | you mean as the 36xx |
| 19:44:53 | sandman | what does "free" say |
| 19:45:16 | spiralman | VerxWork: yes, the cpu is the same in the 38xx as the 36/7xx |
| 19:45:42 | gonz | spiralman: you should be in the checkedout dir of the app itself, not in noncore or above |
| 19:45:42 | gonz | if there's still this error one should ask some more familiar with cvs |
| 19:45:42 | gonz | s/some/someone/ |
| 19:45:42 | gonz | spiralman: are there new files/dirs which haven't been there before ? |
| 19:45:43 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:45:52 | VerxWork | looks like 2.18.39 suspends properly on the 3850 |
| 19:45:56 | VerxWork | it DOESN'T on my 3650 |
| 19:46:07 | VerxWork | ahhh |
| 19:46:10 | spiralman | gonz: im in opie, not in noncore... |
| 19:46:15 | VerxWork | free shows 64MB of Ram |
| 19:46:26 | sandman | VerxWork: Better =) |
| 19:46:28 | VerxWork | that doesn't make sense |
| 19:46:34 | spiralman | gonz: ill just wait for someboyd... |
| 19:46:35 | VerxWork | where is swap coming from then? |
| 19:46:37 | gonz | spiralman: you should be in opie/noncore/opie-remote (or whatever app) |
| 19:46:44 | spiralman | gonz: hmm, ok |
| 19:46:59 | sandman | VerxWork: You need some RAM free besides /tmpfs... |
| 19:47:07 | gonz | then do a cvs diff ;) |
| 19:47:08 | spiralman | gonz: and what should the cvs command look like? |
| 19:47:08 | VerxWork | ahhh |
| 19:47:09 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:47:12 | spiralman | gonz: k |
| 19:47:18 | VerxWork | now to try ethernet |
| 19:47:21 | djb | can you run normal X11 apps over opie? |
| 19:47:39 | spiralman | gonz: ok, thanks that looks good. now just cvs ci? |
| 19:47:51 | sandman | VerxWork: Seems like you don't need bb anymore :) ? |
| 19:47:55 | djb | or better yet, when is opie-mailer gonna do IMAP? :) |
| 19:48:09 | gonz | spiralman: if you really are sure that the changes are wanted and no files are missing(!) do a "cvs commit" |
| 19:48:10 | VerxWork | sandman: SURE I DO! |
| 19:48:16 | VerxWork | that much more room man! |
| 19:48:18 | spiralman | djb: opie-mail devel has stopped temporarily |
| 19:48:25 | djb | spiralman: oh? |
| 19:48:32 | gonz | spiralman: i had the effect that newfiles were not recognized sometimes... |
| 19:48:47 | djb | I need evolution for the iPaq. :) |
| 19:48:55 | spiralman | djb: yeah, zecke maintains the opie-mail, prog, but is working on kitchesync right now... |
| 19:49:02 | spiralman | djb: dont look at opie then |
| 19:49:11 | spiralman | djb: there is a evolution sync script |
| 19:49:22 | spiralman | djb: somebody on Zaurus should know what it is |
| 19:49:30 | djb | hmm |
| 19:49:35 | spiralman | djb: but evolution isnt going to run in QT anytime soon : ) |
| 19:49:39 | djb | yeah |
| 19:49:40 | djb | I know |
| 19:49:41 | djb | :) |
| 19:49:48 | spiralman | gonz: ive only modified a few files, no new ones |
| 19:49:52 | djb | I'd be cool with just an IMAP mail client for now |
| 19:49:55 | VerxWork | everything appears to work |
| 19:49:57 | gonz | spiralman: go 4 it ;) |
| 19:50:15 | spiralman | gonz: well, i did remove a file, but it doesnt really matter, since nothing links to it... |
| 19:50:20 | djb | I don't use any of the features of evo other than IMAP anyway. |
| 19:50:35 | gonz | spiralman with that you can cvs remove "$filename" before commiting |
| 19:50:50 | spiralman | gonz: ok |
| 19:50:53 | VerxWork | I had heard that suspend was somewhat flakey on this unit |
| 19:50:57 | VerxWork | anyone know what the deal is? |
| 19:52:12 | spiralman | ok, i commited, and now it looks like im in vi, how do i save the file and quit vi? (ive already managed to enter something in the log...) |
| 19:52:28 | spiralman | is an emacs person... |
| 19:52:36 | gonz | add some comment and do "ctrl-z z" |
| 19:52:41 | gonz | nope sorry |
| 19:52:44 | gonz | add the comment... |
| 19:52:52 | gonz | and do "ESC : wq" |
| 19:53:07 | spiralman | gonz: oops, did control z, and it quit me out of it... |
| 19:53:16 | gonz | just "fg" |
| 19:53:20 | spiralman | gonz: ok |
| 19:53:23 | VerxWork | looks like the 3850 has the same problem with the "enter" button sticking as the 3650 had |
| 19:53:46 | gonz | spiralman: sorry for that one... "ESC : wq" should work |
| 19:53:51 | spiralman | gonz: ok |
| 19:54:20 | gonz | spiralman: you can "export CVSEDITOR=emacs" if you like |
| 19:54:32 | spiralman | gonz: ok, ill do that for next time... |
| 19:54:53 | gonz | all the environment stuff is good to have in the .profile / .bashrc / whatever :) |
| 19:55:23 | spiralman | gonz: k, thanks for all the help... |
| 19:55:47 | gonz | spiralman: np |
| 19:57:53 | gonz | btw: there were people talkihg about having opie-sh in cvs as well (at #opie.de) ;) |
| 19:58:36 | spiralman | cool |
| 19:58:43 | spiralman | Harlekin suggested it as well... |
| 19:58:52 | spiralman | i might put it up later |
| 19:58:54 | gonz | hehe i think he was "the one" :) |
| 19:59:05 | spiralman | ill ask a couple other people first though... |
| 20:00:11 | gonz | spiralman: i think the scripts are very small - perhaps one should simply have an additional opie-sh-apps package with some apps in it so, people notice that an app has installed ;) |
| 20:00:30 | gonz | spiralman: well, i bet this is a good thing (to ask) |
| 20:01:56 | gonz | btw: who is the guy who did the swapfile-script ? is he on irc ? |
| 20:01:57 | spiralman | gonz: yeah, opie-sh-apps is probably a good idea.. |
| 20:02:01 | spiralman | yeah |
| 20:02:07 | spiralman | HrAbbey, i think |
| 20:02:10 | VerxWork | gonz: What swapfile script? |
| 20:02:20 | gonz | spiralman: how about "task-opie-sh-apps" ;)) |
| 20:02:35 | spiralman | VerxWork: http://members.surfbest.net/hrabbey@surfbest.net/Projects/ChangeSwap/ |
| 20:03:02 | gonz | you were faster ;) |
| 20:03:05 | spiralman | hehe |
| 20:03:48 | gonz | i have no idea how to integrate such properly into the opie-tree |
| 20:04:22 | gonz | and i wish i had an idea what other apps would be useful ;) |
| 20:05:10 | | i guess beer is cool |
| 20:05:10 | gonz | ibot: beer |
| 20:05:22 | spiralman | gonz: there is an app wishlist on opie wiki... |
| 20:05:39 | gonz | ok, i'll scroll through this now! |
| 20:06:12 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 20:06:15 | VerxWork | I installed nethack |
| 20:06:22 | VerxWork | and I tap on "Male" or "Female" |
| 20:06:27 | VerxWork | it doesn't let me select one |
| 20:07:18 | CraHan | what the difference between the lirc modules and the irda modules? |
| 20:07:29 | CraHan | and can i use one of either to receive data? |
| 20:07:42 | spiralman | lirc is manly for emulating/recieving from remote controls |
| 20:07:50 | CraHan | ah ic |
| 20:07:54 | spiralman | irda is for communicating with another computer over ir |
| 20:08:02 | CraHan | so it's irda i need :) |
| 20:08:06 | spiralman | yeah |
| 20:08:18 | CraHan | and can i do neat stuff in opie using irda? |
| 20:08:24 | CraHan | like with the applet? |
| 20:08:24 | spiralman | hmm, dont know |
| 20:08:37 | spiralman | the applet doesnt do much, talk to Merlin83b about it... |
| 20:08:42 | spiralman | hes working on it... |
| 20:08:43 | CraHan | ok |
| 20:08:47 | CraHan | thanks |
| 20:13:45 | gonz | the stowaway thing could be done... found nothing else ... i don't like the idea of this because the ipaq is my internet-gateway right now (notebook-[usbnet]-ipaq-[wavelan]-router, and experimenting with this will involve booting ;) |
| 20:14:33 | gonz | (and disconnecting usbnet to connect the stow) |
| 20:15:42 | gonz | what we learn from this is that opie and other apps fit most needs quit well ;) |
| 20:22:22 | CraHan | does anyone know if the vnc viewer works with tightvnc? |
| 20:25:41 | spiralman | dont know... |
| 20:25:49 | kergoth | re |
| 20:31:02 | CraHan | wb |
| 20:33:41 | spiralman | kergoth: got my cvs access working, the dsa key was truncated... |
| 20:36:27 | mark | Harlekin: do you know how to stop 'escape' being picked up by QPEApplication? |
| 20:37:50 | VerxWork | anyone here with a 38xx ipaq? |
| 20:37:53 | VerxWork | need some info. . . |
| 20:38:47 | egor | VerxWork: i have a 3850 ipaq |
| 20:38:50 | VerxWork | do you still have to disable serial console support to use the microkeyboard? |
| 20:39:10 | VerxWork | and is there some problem with setting the date/time? (I cannot seem to set the date/time and have it stay set) |
| 20:39:12 | egor | i don'tknow |
| 20:40:25 | kergoth | spiralman: hah |
| 20:41:17 | VerxWork | ok, after resetting it, I was able to set the date/time |
| 20:42:12 | spiralman | kergoth: can you help me commit a change i made to remote? |
| 20:42:14 | egor | VerxWork: keep in mind that if you hard reset you 38xx the clock must be reset |
| 20:42:32 | VerxWork | woah |
| 20:42:41 | VerxWork | I just did a reboot |
| 20:42:46 | VerxWork | it seemed to save the date/time |
| 20:42:54 | spiralman | kergoth: i got a fresh cvs, and copied my changed sources into the remote tab, and did a commit from the remote dir, but the files dont seem to have changed... |
| 20:43:39 | spiralman | /tab/dir/ |
| 20:43:42 | kergoth | spiralman: hmm? what do you mean? |
| 20:44:03 | VerxWork | ok, re-loading root |
| 20:44:12 | mark | in vim, how do you tell it to treet a file as having windows line returns? |
| 20:45:38 | spiralman | kergoth: assuming i have a fresh cvs directory, how do i commit changes ive made? |
| 20:45:46 | mark | cvs commit |
| 20:45:54 | spiralman | yeah, but from what dir? |
| 20:46:04 | mark | wherever youve made the changes |
| 20:46:04 | kergoth | spiralman: cvs ci from your directory in which you made the changes |
| 20:46:06 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:46:07 | kergoth | that |
| 20:46:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:46:09 | spiralman | hmm... |
| 20:46:14 | ljp_hates_QWest | I usually do it fromthe dir I made changes in] |
| 20:46:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:46:23 | mark | cvs commit -n to se what ur gonna commit first |
| 20:46:35 | spiralman | i checked cvs diff first... |
| 20:46:45 | mark | ah oka |
| 21:02:06 | gonz | spiralman: progress ? |
| 21:02:37 | kergoth | sandman: you notice busybox doesnt compile anymore? hehe . the addition of uncompress support to unzip broke the build process |
| 21:03:54 | CraHan | where can i see what the speed it that the cpu is running at? |
| 21:04:01 | CraHan | i get 137 bogomips |
| 21:04:08 | spiralman | gonz: the commit didnt give me any errors, but the web cvs doesnt show any changes... |
| 21:04:25 | gonz | hmmm |
| 21:04:44 | gonz | after the comment-vi, did you get any output ? |
| 21:04:55 | spiralman | yeah, dont remember what it was... |
| 21:04:57 | ljp_hates_QWest | it might take a while for the web to update |
| 21:05:07 | gonz | ljp_hates_QWest: why is that ? |
| 21:05:14 | ljp_hates_QWest | you can check it with cvs log filename.here |
| 21:05:47 | | beer is yummi |
| 21:05:47 | gonz | ibot: beer |
| 21:05:57 | | ljp_hates_QWest: huh? |
| 21:05:57 | ljp_hates_QWest | ibot: rum |
| 21:06:34 | spiralman | hmm, no the log doesnt have my changes in it... |
| 21:06:50 | | it has been said that rum is zum fruehstueck ess ich ein nahashorn auf, hojaho und ne buddel voll von dem zeug |
| 21:06:50 | gonz | ibot: rum |
| 21:08:19 | spiralman | cvs [server aborted]: "commit" requires write access to the repository cvs commit: saving log message in /tmp/cvsXxZwba |
| 21:08:31 | spiralman | hmm.. |
| 21:08:39 | spiralman | cvs root must be wrong... |
| 21:09:06 | gonz | ok, i would guess this is some permission thingy on the cvs server of a) not the right filepermissions or b) you not beeing in the right group |
| 21:09:21 | ljp_hates_QWest | I had a devil of a time getting cvs/ssh to work |
| 21:09:22 | gonz | cvsroot is kept in ./CVS/ and is unlikely to be incorrect |
| 21:09:59 | gonz | uses it often (though has no real idea of cvs usage) without problems |
| 21:10:09 | gonz | bad, bad permissions |
| 21:10:55 | spiralman | k, seems to have wokred this time... |
| 21:11:09 | gonz | :O |
| 21:12:50 | gonz | ljp_hates_QWest: you can even use "CVS_ROOT=/tmp/dummy.sh" and put some ssh-sequence here which uses several hops to get through firewalls if needed ;) |
| 21:13:20 | Harlekin | re |
| 21:13:59 | ljp_hates_QWest | heh oh I have no prbs now.. just when we switched from pserver to ssh |
| 21:14:15 | gonz | ssh rulez ;) |
| 21:14:24 | ljp_hates_QWest | hi harlekin |
| 21:15:20 | ljp_hates_QWest | spiralman- you working on remote? |
| 21:16:29 | spiralman | ljp_hates_QWest: yes |
| 21:18:11 | ljp_hates_QWest | your commit came through on the cvs mail |
| 21:18:16 | spiralman | ljp_hates_QWest: cool |
| 21:18:48 | kergoth | do we have a link to join the opie-cvs list on opie.handhelds.org yet? |
| 21:19:38 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm not sure |
| 21:20:01 | ljp_hates_QWest | not on the front page anyway |
| 21:20:53 | kergoth | we should add it somewhere |
| 21:22:55 | ljp_hates_QWest | its on the wiki now |
| 21:23:30 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:24:11 | spiralman | is away: store |
| 21:29:43 | gonz | is going to bed |
| 21:29:49 | gonz | cu |
| 21:29:54 | ljp_hates_QWest | bye |
| 21:41:21 | ljp_hates_QWest | geezz.. I feel like upgrading the firewall tonight.. kinda |
| 21:41:47 | ljp_hates_QWest | course, I'd have to find a video card for it |
| 21:45:54 | kergoth | Harlekin: can you create an icon for mediummountgui? it doesnt look professional without an icon. hehe |
| 21:47:38 | Harlekin | kergoth: k |
| 21:48:11 | kergoth | Harlekin: thanks |
| 21:48:12 | kergoth | hey zecke |
| 21:48:35 | zecke | hi |
| 21:48:39 | kergoth | Harlekin: good work on the new background btw, i love it :-) you should make one with a darker background around the circle for use with the 'dark' color scheme :-) |
| 21:48:41 | Harlekin | kergoth: tomorrow |
| 21:48:45 | kergoth | Harlekin: cool |
| 21:48:52 | tux_mike|server | anyone know where the lirc for the Z is? |
| 21:48:56 | kergoth | no idea |
| 21:52:01 | Harlekin | kergoth: but there is an icon |
| 21:52:07 | kergoth | there is? |
| 21:52:15 | Harlekin | zecke: where is the icon for the medium mount gui |
| 21:52:17 | Harlekin | kergoth: not in cvs et |
| 21:52:19 | Harlekin | yet |
| 21:52:21 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:52:48 | zecke | Harlekin: not here ;) |
| 21:53:02 | VerxWork | anyone here use wireless on your ipaq? |
| 21:53:12 | VerxWork | I am trying to get it setup here at work |
| 21:53:13 | kergoth | i use wireless on the Z with the ipaq driver |
| 21:53:16 | kergoth | if that counts |
| 21:53:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:53:17 | VerxWork | just found out they have a test network |
| 21:53:27 | VerxWork | I setup ONLY the ESSID field |
| 21:53:32 | zecke | ok guys I'm going to bed |
| 21:53:33 | Harlekin | zecke: who did it ? gonz? |
| 21:53:38 | Harlekin | too soon |
| 21:53:47 | VerxWork | (here at work, on a notebook, all I had to do was setup SSID = somestring to get it to work |
| 21:53:56 | zecke | cu# |
| 21:54:00 | kergoth | VerxWork: whats the behavior you're seeing? |
| 21:54:03 | VerxWork | I editted the wireless.opts |
| 21:54:09 | VerxWork | added essid="somestring" |
| 21:54:12 | TwixTel | can someone tell me how to set a "wallpaper" in back of my zaurus screen? |
| 21:54:15 | VerxWork | but it still doesn't work |
| 21:54:26 | VerxWork | dhcp is failing |
| 21:54:26 | kergoth | TwixTel: you cant setup a background with qtopia.. you can with openzaurus though |
| 21:54:28 | VerxWork | er, dhcpcd |
| 21:54:33 | kergoth | VerxWork: what does iwconfig wlan0 show? |
| 21:54:50 | kergoth | VerxWork: assuming you have wirelesstools installed.. heh |
| 21:55:04 | TwixTel | kergoth and where to setup in qtopia? |
| 21:55:16 | kergoth | TwixTel: i just told you, qtopia cant change its background. |
| 21:55:24 | VerxWork | iwconfig: No such file or directory |
| 21:55:34 | VerxWork | so I am guessing I don't have wireless tools installed |
| 21:55:35 | kergoth | VerxWork: install wirelesstools. its needed. |
| 21:55:37 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:55:39 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:55:40 | kergoth | there's your first problem |
| 21:55:43 | kergoth | we'll go from there :-) |
| 21:56:14 | VerxWork | hehehe, ok, thanks |
| 21:56:15 | VerxWork | :) |
| 21:56:56 | kergoth | I only learned this shit by trial and error |
| 21:56:56 | kergoth | 'heh |
| 21:56:58 | kergoth | hey sandman |
| 21:57:14 | VerxWork | howdy sandman |
| 21:57:39 | VerxWork | kergoth: What is the package name? |
| 21:57:44 | VerxWork | wirelesstools isn't found |
| 21:57:54 | kergoth | VerxWork: hmm.. i thought it was wirelesstools. try wireless-tools |
| 21:57:54 | VerxWork | and I don't think there is an ipkg cache search command |
| 21:57:55 | VerxWork | :) |
| 21:58:02 | kergoth | ipkg cache search would rock :-) |
| 21:58:07 | VerxWork | that got it |
| 21:58:12 | kergoth | you could do a grep on the packages file in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/... |
| 21:58:14 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:58:14 | VerxWork | indeed it would |
| 21:58:26 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:58:29 | VerxWork | iwconfig wlan0 |
| 21:58:35 | VerxWork | wlan0 no wireless extensions. |
| 21:58:40 | kergoth | ack |
| 21:58:43 | kergoth | you on unstable? |
| 21:58:51 | VerxWork | 0.5.2 |
| 21:58:54 | kergoth | actually. i'm getting ahead of myself |
| 21:58:55 | VerxWork | with bb |
| 21:58:56 | kergoth | lsmod |
| 21:58:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:59:43 | VerxWork | I think it is working |
| 21:59:50 | VerxWork | yeah, it is working! |
| 21:59:51 | VerxWork | :))))) |
| 21:59:55 | VerxWork | thanks kergoth |
| 21:59:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:59:57 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:59:57 | kergoth | np |
| 22:01:56 | kergoth | Harlekin: a coworker had an idea for Today.. or for a seperate application.. to pop up a quote of the day type thing.. using the standard linux/unix 'fortune' app.. |
| 22:02:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: hmm |
| 22:12:59 | Morn | Harlekin: I've got Opie on the Tux again |
| 22:13:04 | Morn | but something has changed |
| 22:13:13 | Morn | I'm running out of memory just running Today |
| 22:13:25 | Morn | seems like 3 copies get started and 2 compete for the cpu |
| 22:13:33 | Morn | then it gets out of memory and crashes |
| 22:16:57 | Harlekin | feed from yesterday |
| 22:16:59 | Harlekin | ? |
| 22:49:11 | spiralman | is back |
| 22:50:57 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:51:19 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:05) |
| 22:51:38 | spiralman | that was fast... |
| 23:27:03 | VerxHome | hello everyone |
| 23:27:14 | ljp_mobile | hi |
| 23:27:40 | VerxHome | trying to get my 3850 squared away |
| 23:28:01 | VerxHome | df |
| 23:28:09 | VerxHome | 18MB free on it |
| 23:28:10 | VerxHome | :)) |
| 23:28:29 | ljp_mobile | hmmm interesting |
| 23:29:34 | VerxHome | you know anyone that uses the compaq microkeyboard? |
| 23:31:12 | ljp_mobile | with opie? |
| 23:31:27 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 23:31:50 | VerxHome | I am starting to think I am going to have to disable the serial console |
| 23:32:19 | VerxHome | I think sandman made an option for busybox to receive the console messages in a shell |
| 23:32:27 | VerxHome | but I can't discern the argument I have to pass to it |
| 23:32:39 | Merlin83b | Is there a better way to do modules stuff than system calling insmod/rmmod etc. |
| 23:33:21 | ljp_mobile | depmod -a and then modprobe |
| 23:33:30 | Merlin83b | Um, from a program :-) |
| 23:33:32 | ljp_mobile | depmod will set up dependencies |
| 23:33:41 | ljp_mobile | ohh |
| 23:33:43 | ljp_mobile | hmm |
| 23:34:40 | Merlin83b | Also, any reason why the lirc ipkg doesn't put an entry in /etc/init.d? |
| 23:34:43 | ljp_mobile | you might want to rummage around /usr/include might be some module functions.. |
| 23:36:19 | sandman_ | Merlin83b: Trust me - you don't want to mess with module loading yourself =) (just use system ( "modprobe x" ); ) |
| 23:36:32 | Merlin83b | LOL - |
| 23:36:33 | Merlin83b | [dan@timmy include]$ grep -r module * |wc -l |
| 23:36:33 | Merlin83b | grep: asm.old/pci.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:36:33 | Merlin83b | 12351 |
| 23:36:33 | Merlin83b | [dan@timmy include]$ |
| 23:36:48 | VerxHome | anyone ever looked at pocketlinux? |
| 23:36:52 | Merlin83b | sandman_: Fair enough, it's what I was going to do, just wondering if there was an easy better way :-) |
| 23:38:45 | sandman_ | Merlin83b: wc -l modutils/insmod.c |
| 23:38:50 | sandman_ | Merlin83b: 3597 modutils/insmod.c |
| 23:38:55 | VerxHome | sandman |
| 23:38:58 | VerxHome | yer here! |
| 23:38:58 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:39:01 | sandman_ | Merlin83b: And that is busybox insmod =) |
| 23:39:30 | VerxHome | sandman: Does my busybox have the ability to grab th console output? |
| 23:39:35 | Merlin83b | Heh, system it is then :-) |
| 23:39:39 | VerxHome | or is thatonly in some newer version? |
| 23:39:51 | sandman_ | VerxHome: No way - busybox or not |
| 23:40:00 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 23:40:08 | sandman_ | VerxHome: You can redirect to /dev/null woth linux_args from bootldr |
| 23:40:16 | sandman_ | s/woth/with |
| 23:40:17 | VerxHome | nope, it doesn't work |
| 23:40:21 | VerxHome | I tried that |
| 23:40:29 | VerxHome | it still sends some console messages to the display |
| 23:40:38 | VerxHome | and it does work with rxvt remember |
| 23:40:43 | sandman_ | VerxHome: all or only some ? |
| 23:40:51 | VerxHome | they have the ability on familiar to grab all the console messages to an rxvt |
| 23:41:02 | VerxHome | only some go to the console when you send them to /dev/null |
| 23:41:14 | VerxHome | granted, MOST go to /dev/null |
| 23:41:36 | sandman_ | Ok all syslog() messages should go to /dev/null -- all echo are still on console |
| 23:41:56 | VerxHome | that could be |
| 23:42:02 | VerxHome | I wish I could grab echo too |
| 23:42:07 | sandman_ | qpe2uschedule for example uses echo to debug |
| 23:42:22 | VerxHome | just as an fyi sandman |
| 23:42:39 | VerxHome | my bb image I made of bb052.jffs2 + my opie apps |
| 23:42:43 | VerxHome | works perfect on a 3850 |
| 23:42:52 | VerxHome | no issues that are bb specific at all |
| 23:43:04 | sandman_ | VerxHome: Just got your mail: it's --login |
| 23:43:21 | VerxHome | so I can do an "ash --login" ? |
| 23:43:27 | VerxHome | cuz I tried that before I emailed you |
| 23:43:38 | sandman_ | embedded console does this automatically I think |
| 23:43:56 | VerxHome | it didn't used to |
| 23:43:58 | VerxHome | lemme check |
| 23:44:33 | sandman_ | kergoth said it's doing this... |
| 23:44:51 | VerxHome | well |
| 23:44:53 | VerxHome | I just tested it |
| 23:45:00 | VerxHome | with todays release of konsole |
| 23:45:04 | VerxHome | (in the feed anyway) |
| 23:45:13 | VerxHome | and it didn't display any console messages at all |
| 23:45:54 | VerxHome | if I have konsole up |
| 23:45:59 | ljp_mobile | naa I gotta get the login going on it.. |
| 23:46:00 | VerxHome | and I have serial console up as well |
| 23:46:12 | VerxHome | and I insert a pcmcia card |
| 23:46:18 | VerxHome | the messages go to the serial port still |
| 23:47:11 | sandman_ | VerxHome: I think you misunderstood; --login is there for the shell to parse ~/.profile and /etc/profile, nothing else |
| 23:47:20 | VerxHome | oh |
| 23:47:27 | VerxHome | ok, yes, I most certainly misunderstood |
| 23:47:33 | VerxHome | what I was wanting |
| 23:47:41 | VerxHome | was to have some way to grab the console messages |
| 23:47:45 | VerxHome | so they don't go to the serial port anymore |
| 23:47:50 | sandman_ | Use a syslogd =) |
| 23:48:03 | VerxHome | please explain |
| 23:48:19 | VerxHome | what I -*REALLY*- want is to be able to disable the console messages |
| 23:48:22 | VerxHome | and then re-enable them |
| 23:48:24 | VerxHome | without rebooting |
| 23:48:44 | sandman_ | syslogd collects all messagess and normally writes them to /var/log/messages -- you can also specify to log to a remote host |
| 23:48:55 | Merlin83b | Or to console, or /dev/null |
| 23:49:16 | sandman_ | Merlin83b: This was just a oversimplified example =) |
| 23:49:28 | Merlin83b | ;-) |
| 23:49:45 | VerxHome | ok |
| 23:49:58 | sandman_ | VerxHome: You can not catch echo with this, but using echos is buggy nonetheless |
| 23:50:15 | VerxHome | so how, after bootup, do I tell syslogd to send the messages to /var/log/messages? I don't think I even HAVE a syslogd |
| 23:50:27 | jusdisgi | hey spiral; you around here? |
| 23:50:54 | sandman_ | Nope - you don't habve one (I didn't activate this in busybox) =) |
| 23:51:07 | VerxHome | heh |
| 23:51:14 | VerxHome | I am trying to get my microkeyboard to work |
| 23:51:40 | sandman_ | Normally you would start syslogd in some /etc/rcX.d script and from this point on all syslog msgs got to syslogd |
| 23:51:58 | VerxHome | and I suspect it won't work without first disabling serial console |
| 23:53:13 | sandman_ | VerxHome: I will compile a busybox with syslogd and test it on my iPAQ first -- will let you know, if it works - ok ? |
| 23:53:34 | VerxHome | well |
| 23:53:36 | VerxHome | before you do that |
| 23:53:52 | VerxHome | it really (in my opinion) needs to log to ram |
| 23:54:03 | VerxHome | otherwise you stand the chance of running out of space QUICK |
| 23:54:12 | VerxHome | or else it needs a very short window of text |
| 23:54:20 | VerxHome | that wraps onto itself or something |
| 23:55:00 | sandman_ | Nope -- I don't want to log to /var/log/messages -- I want to log to a remote host |
| 23:55:34 | sandman_ | So syslogd should be started afer the network is up |
| 23:55:39 | VerxHome | well |
| 23:55:44 | VerxHome | I don't have network all the time |
| 23:55:52 | VerxHome | so that isn't really gonna be available to me |
| 23:56:31 | sandman_ | And how do you want to look at your messages then ??? |
| 23:56:52 | VerxHome | well, with vi |
| 23:56:56 | VerxHome | vi /tmp/messages |
| 23:56:58 | VerxHome | or some such |
| 23:56:59 | sandman_ | If there is no connection, it's the same as /dev/null |
| 23:57:01 | jusdisgi | anybody using opie-remote (or anything with lirc)? |
| 23:57:41 | sandman_ | Saving messages on the iPAQ is not an option (too limited storage space) |
| 23:57:47 | Merlin83b | Yeah jusdisgi, what's up? |
| 23:58:15 | VerxHome | ok |
| 23:58:17 | jusdisgi | merlin; is there a build of irrecord anywhere? |
| 23:58:24 | jusdisgi | or something like |
| 23:58:26 | VerxHome | then I will just send them to /dev/null |
| 23:58:29 | Merlin83b | jusdisgi: Not sure, spiralman's the one you really need to ask. |
| 23:58:35 | VerxHome | so I edit /boot/params then? |
| 23:58:39 | VerxHome | and add console=/dev/null ? |
| 23:58:42 | jusdisgi | yeah... |
| 23:58:58 | sandman_ | VerxHome: Try this or console=null not 100% sure ... |
| 23:59:29 | Merlin83b | jusdisgi: I know that's something he's working on |