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| 08:39.03 | eFfeM-log | hi, have a problem, I've added the cdstatus package in openslug-packages.conf; but after doing that bb cdstatus still complains "nothing provides cdstatus" |
| 08:39.15 | eFfeM-log | still it exists in my packages dir and also in tmp/cache: |
| 08:39.17 | eFfeM-log | OpenSlugHead/openslug/tmp/cache/_home_slug_OpenSlugHead_openslug_openembedded_packages_cdstatus_cdstatus-0.96.05.bb |
| 08:39.34 | eFfeM-log | what can be going on here |
| 08:43.40 | eFfeM-log | hmmm bb file has - i.s.o _ |
| 08:45.18 | eFfeM-log | changing that fixes things, will correct |
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| 21:06.06 | Madkiss | Where do I find installation instructions for UnSlung? |
| 21:06.22 | eFfeM | on the wiki ! |
| 21:06.57 | Madkiss | ok |
| 21:07.46 | eFfeM | Madkiss, this is a developer channel, for installation questions please revert to #nslu2-general |
| 21:08.02 | eFfeM | (or any usage related questions) |
| 21:08.20 | Madkiss | oh, cool, thanks |
| 21:14.42 | matthias_ | eFfeM: can you give me a "grep ^ao_ /etc/mpd.conf" of your usb-audio-slug? |
| 21:18.15 | matthias_ | eFfeM: i saw, that you are using mpd in your profile :-) mpd didn't work for me with oss_mixer, i had to compile libao with alsa09 support. |
| 21:19.52 | matthias_ | eFfeM: but then, the sound spluttered. i had to change *_time.. |
| 21:22.57 | eFfeM | matthias_, one sec |
| 21:23.07 | eFfeM | (was away for a moment) |
| 21:24.50 | eFfeM | matthias_, i have no lines starting with ao |
| 21:25.20 | eFfeM | then again i've installed mpd, but my audio adapter stopped working |
| 21:25.22 | matthias_ | eFfeM: do you use oss or alsa as mpd output? |
| 21:25.24 | eFfeM | no idea what is going on here |
| 21:25.44 | eFfeM | i'm still struggling getting any output |
| 21:26.00 | eFfeM | this worked for a moment last week, then I upgraded to the head agan and it stopped working |
| 21:26.11 | eFfeM | probably not due to the head, but more to an init problem. |
| 21:26.47 | eFfeM | sometimes when I connect the card, I can toggle the mute/demute light on the card, and sometimes not |
| 21:27.16 | matthias_ | eFfeM: did you use ipks from the feed or own? |
| 21:27.25 | eFfeM | haven't found the cause yet, want to add some tracing (perhaps sound-usb-audio helped) |
| 21:29.12 | matthias_ | eFfeM: did you change libao to support alsa and recompile? (standard libao doesn't support alsa directly) |
| 21:29.16 | eFfeM | matthias_, i've build my own mpd and audio libs, i think I got alsa from the feed |
| 21:29.20 | eFfeM | no |
| 21:29.38 | eFfeM | i don't recall having tweaked with any of the files |
| 21:30.25 | matthias_ | eFfeM: ok. for me, mpd wasn't able to control the mixer_oss (alsa-oss-emulation mixer) |
| 21:31.20 | matthias_ | eFfeM: the libao from the repository gets configured with --disable-alsa --disable-alsa09 => without change, you use oss |
| 21:31.39 | eFfeM | i did not get to the point where I got audio playback |
| 21:32.29 | matthias_ | eFfeM: does "aplay test.wav" work? |
| 21:34.41 | matthias_ | eFfeM: for me, "aplay test.wav" worked, but only after i turned up the volume with amixer or alsamixer => mpd wasn't able to do that via oss. |
| 21:35.45 | matthias_ | eFfeM: no i compiled libao with alsa support (--enable-alsa --enable-alsa09 --enable-alsa09-mmap) and i have in /etc/mpd.conf: |
| 21:36.22 | matthias_ | mixer_type "alsa" |
| 21:36.22 | matthias_ | mixer_device "default" |
| 21:36.22 | matthias_ | mixer_control "Speaker" |
| 21:36.22 | matthias_ | ao_driver "alsa09" |
| 21:36.22 | matthias_ | ao_driver_options "dev=default;buf_time=500000;period_time=500;use_mmap=1" |
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| 21:37.27 | eFfeM | matthias_, aplay does not work, actually sometimes demuting works in alsamixer, but is not honured by the device |
| 21:37.57 | matthias_ | without "period_time=500" it stutters. the times are given in usec (libao docu seem to be wrony after a look at alsa-lib) |
| 21:38.11 | matthias_ | eFfeM: maybe amixer does it? |
| 21:38.26 | eFfeM | nope tried that as well |
| 21:39.42 | Madkiss | usb-audio-slug? what's that? ;) |
| 21:40.15 | matthias_ | effem: "amixer" alone tells you what controls you have. |
| 21:40.31 | eFfeM | matthias_, yeah I know |
| 21:40.41 | matthias_ | effem: "amixer sset 'Speaker' 60" doesn't do it? |
| 21:41.51 | matthias_ | effem: 'Speaker' or whatever your output is called.. |
| 21:42.28 | eFfeM | will try in a few minutes (actualy I just opened the device to see what chip is in) |
| 21:42.59 | eFfeM | Madkiss, some usb audio cards work on the slug and allow to use it for audio playback |
| 21:44.12 | matthias_ | eFfeM: i'm quite happy now that it works here :-) (with libao "--enable-alsa09" and the 5 magic lines above :-) |
| 21:44.53 | eFfeM | ok, i'll keep that in mind |
| 21:44.59 | eFfeM | please add them to the wiki |
| 21:47.29 | matthias_ | eFfeM: hmm... wouldn't it be better to patch the .bb for the slug and write a default /etc/mpd.conf for mpd? |
| 21:48.19 | Madkiss | eFfeM: great god, how can that snaily cpu do such things? |
| 21:48.30 | matthias_ | eFfeM: i also read, you succeeded in cross-compiling cdrecord? :) |
| 21:50.35 | matthias_ | Madkiss: :-) but it has 266 mhz - think about old 486er pcs (with i recently threw away..) |
| 21:51.17 | eFfeM | matthias_, good idea |
| 21:52.26 | Madkiss | matthias_: sure, but these had soundchips onboard, or on the soundcard |
| 21:52.29 | eFfeM | Madkiss, I started programming in the z80 era. The first computer I owned was an atari st (8 mhz 68000, 1 MB ram), and yes, it ran a unix flavour (minix) |
| 21:52.35 | eFfeM | google if you want more info on that |
| 21:52.45 | eFfeM | 266mhz and 32 mb is kidn of a heaven |
| 21:53.03 | eFfeM | for audio pb you need integer libs though (no fpp hw on the slug |
| 21:53.11 | Madkiss | Okay, I will install Linux on it |
| 21:53.13 | eFfeM | Madkiss, the sound chips are on an usb soundcard |
| 21:53.17 | Madkiss | or, rather ... |
| 21:53.18 | Madkiss | windows. |
| 21:53.28 | Madkiss | I plan on getting a USB-soundcard anyway |
| 21:53.31 | Madkiss | M-Audio Sonica |
| 21:53.53 | eFfeM | matthias_, not sure if I crosscompiled cdrecord. I definitely have it running, but maybe I compiled natively |
| 21:54.05 | eFfeM | Madkiss, see if it is supported by linux |
| 21:54.11 | matthias_ | eFfeM: do you compile on your slug? |
| 21:54.17 | eFfeM | yes |
| 21:55.47 | Madkiss | well, hmkay. |
| 21:56.16 | eFfeM | matthias_, a few months ago I started with development, and I was not very good in bb files, cross compiling etc, so at that point I did my compiles on the slug. |
| 21:56.32 | eFfeM | and now if I |
| 21:56.54 | eFfeM | and now if I'm breaking new grounds and there is no package I typically start on the slug first |
| 21:57.09 | eFfeM | Madkiss, it depends on your unix experience and what you want to do |
| 21:57.37 | eFfeM | if you are a unix die-hard that wants to experiment you may go for openslug |
| 21:57.52 | eFfeM | if you only want to run the available packages unslung is probably a better choice |
| 21:58.00 | matthias_ | eFfeM: i see. a cdrtools_2.01.bb would be nice :-) |
| 21:58.06 | Madkiss | eFfeM: I think I will focus on my interests. |
| 21:58.22 | Madkiss | eFfeM: Running a print-server, maybe a webserver on it. I guess Unslung will do it. |
| 21:59.17 | eFfeM | Madkiss, for webserver definitely, and I assume also for print-server (now that is a thing I never did) |
| 21:59.38 | Madkiss | cups packages for unslung exist |
| 21:59.46 | matthias_ | eFfeM: cdrtools crosscompilation is a hell because of the "Schily makefile system.".. :-( |
| 21:59.51 | Madkiss | and my fs1020d will do nicely, i think |
| 22:00.01 | BOfH | matthias_: Schily makefile system? |
| 22:00.24 | eFfeM | actually there are still a few usb devices in the house that have not been connected to the slug but not many (the only things I can think of is my mp3 player, my adsl modem and the kids dell printer/scanner) |
| 22:00.52 | matthias_ | effem: did you write any new files for the slug? e.g. RULES-files for armv5teb? |
| 22:01.17 | eFfeM | matthias_, I think I tried this at some point, but had some issues with it, I seem to recall I even had to install something before, don't recall details) |
| 22:01.22 | eFfeM | matthias_, nope |
| 22:01.50 | matthias_ | effem: but at the end, it worked? |
| 22:01.53 | eFfeM | cross, I just use the master makefile and friends, did not touch the dev env |
| 22:02.23 | eFfeM | matthias_, natively I got gcc and friends from a pkg if I recall correctly; and yes, cdrecord worked |
| 22:02.49 | BOfH | Do we need the armv5teb toolchain or can we just use arm-generic-linux ? |
| 22:03.12 | matthias_ | BOfH: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/smake.html .. |
| 22:03.22 | eFfeM | when I installed there was only one toolchain for openslug. there was no le yet |
| 22:03.45 | eFfeM | and as hw for cdrecord I used a Philips JackRabbit (which is an external usb dvd writer) |
| 22:03.57 | eFfeM | did only make cd's with it, but dvds should not be a problem |
| 22:04.30 | matthias_ | BOfH: .. he says: "it's better than make". but it's only more compilicated and has no standard ./configure :-(( |
| 22:05.00 | matthias_ | BOfH: i'd like to do a bitbake and have an ipkg |
| 22:06.09 | matthias_ | eFfeM: for dvds, you can use growisofs. i made a .bb for it but data gets corrupted - not sure, maybe it's the dvd+rw medium |
| 22:06.59 | eFfeM | yeah recall having to install smake natively |
| 22:07.14 | eFfeM | Madkiss, i know about growisofs, didn't get to it yet |
| 22:15.31 | eFfeM | matthias_, connected the sound card again. I can mute/unmute it and change the volume (there is visual feedback on the device) |
| 22:15.34 | eFfeM | no sound though |
| 22:15.40 | eFfeM | and your amixer command gives: |
| 22:15.40 | eFfeM | root@NSLU2:~# amixer sset 'Speaker' 60 |
| 22:15.41 | eFfeM | amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Speaker',0 |
| 22:17.07 | eFfeM | amixer |
| 22:17.11 | matthias_ | what does "amixer" without parameters give? |
| 22:17.22 | eFfeM | one sec, wrong window |
| 22:17.45 | eFfeM | here you go |
| 22:17.47 | eFfeM | root@NSLU2:~# amixer |
| 22:17.47 | eFfeM | Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 |
| 22:17.47 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.47 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.47 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.49 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.52 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.54 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.56 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.58 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.00 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.04 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.19 | eFfeM | disabling capture didn't help either |
| 22:18.33 | eFfeM | actually I connected just a pair of regular speakers |
| 22:18.47 | eFfeM | can't disable the spdif output |
| 22:18.53 | eFfeM | matthias_, great!!!! |
| 22:19.20 | eFfeM | matthias_, were you the one with the conrad device? |
| 22:20.02 | eFfeM | matthias_, what client do you use? |
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| 22:21.56 | matthias_ | eFfeM: yes, the 12.95 Euro one. |
| 22:22.44 | eFfeM | ok, might try to chase one of these down (but just got this 40 euro philips thing; looks quite nice, led volume and mute indicator, volume knob etc) |
| 22:24.20 | eFfeM | matthias_, do you have a hint on how to configure mpd or the client, i get connection refused with phpmp and phpmp2 |
| 22:25.02 | matthias_ | eFfeM: so you can control your device with "amixer sset 'PCM' 80" or so. but you already have 100% volume :( |
| 22:25.59 | eFfeM | matthias_, i know, but no output.... I had this working last week.... |
| 22:26.49 | eFfeM | both aplay and madplay think they play, but give no output |
| 22:27.27 | matthias_ | eFfeM: config.php: "mpd_host" => "nslu2.domain", "mpd_port" => 6600 |
| 22:28.14 | matthias_ | nslu:/etc/mpd.conf: ... port "6600" .... no "bind_to_address" |
| 22:28.45 | eFfeM | what client did you use? |
| 22:28.48 | matthias_ | nslu:/etc/mpd.conf: ... port "6600" .... no "bind_to_address" -line .... no password and permission settings. |
| 22:29.26 | BOfH | How does one create ipkg's? |
| 22:29.59 | rwhitby | BOfH: wiki/Development/MasterMakefile |
| 22:30.04 | matthias_ | eFfeM: for mpd? i use mpc, phpMp2-0.11.0.tar.bz2 and ncmpc. i set "export MPD_HOST=nslu2" |
| 22:30.12 | eFfeM | matthias_, found it, I changed the port nr in the config file |
| 22:30.36 | eFfeM | phpMp2 now does show its thing |
| 22:30.46 | matthias_ | rwhitby: got my photos for the 10-pin-connector and LIRC? |
| 22:30.59 | rwhitby | matthias_: yep, thx. just about to upload that now |
| 22:32.00 | eFfeM | matthias_, actually it tells me now it is playing, but still no sound.... |
| 22:32.07 | eFfeM | looks quite good though |
| 22:32.53 | matthias_ | eFfeM: :-) i see. it "looks" good, but doesn't "sound" good ;-) |
| 22:33.14 | eFfeM | lol, yes |
| 22:34.29 | matthias_ | eFfeM: in your amixer-output, i see 3 stereo-channels. how many plugs does your device have? |
| 22:34.37 | rwhitby | matthias_: images are there now - just use Attach:file.jpg using your new filenames |
| 22:35.10 | rwhitby | matthias_: do you want to become an openslug developer (i.e. with write access to monotone?) |
| 22:36.08 | eFfeM | matthias_, front, rear, center, and also a headphone output, I connected a set of speakers to the headphone output |
| 22:36.26 | eFfeM | tried front as well, both headphone and front worked in the past |
| 22:36.50 | matthias_ | rwhitby: yes, if there are "rules" what and when to do.. |
| 22:37.31 | matthias_ | rwhitby: so far, i opened oe-tickets and appended my patches. but if it's easier this way, ok. |
| 22:37.59 | matthias_ | eFfeM: aehm... did you try the other outputs? |
| 22:38.07 | eFfeM | matthias_, actually there is some light noise on the speakers |
| 22:38.15 | eFfeM | will try just to be sure |
| 22:38.20 | rwhitby | matthias_: create a matthias@openembedded.org monotone key, and send it to koen. He will decide if your patches are worthy of giving you monotone access :-) |
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| 22:38.33 | rwhitby | I'm happy enough with your patches from an nslu2-linux point of view. |
| 22:38.55 | matthias_ | rwhitby: thanks :-)d |
| 22:39.16 | matthias_ | rwhitby: how's the connection between oe and openslug? |
| 22:39.53 | rwhitby | openslug is built from OpenEmbedded. We piggy-back on the OE repository and build system and metadata repository. |
| 22:39.53 | eFfeM | matthias_, tried the other connectors, just to be safe (apart from the digital out, for some reason I have plenty devices with digital out, but none with digital in....) |
| 22:39.54 | matthias_ | rwhitby: WHO does propagate changes and WHEN? |
| 22:40.41 | rwhitby | matthias_: you would sync with monotone.nslu2-linux.org - koen handles the server syncing betwen that and the OE servers. |
| 22:40.41 | eFfeM | matthias_, the odd thing is that this works like a charm on my desktop system with fedora |
| 22:41.01 | matthias_ | rwhitby: when i push changes into oe-repo, when will they be in openslug-repo? |
| 22:41.44 | rwhitby | matthias_: you would do it the other way if you are an nslu2-linux developer. sync with monotone.nslu2-linux.org. |
| 22:42.03 | rwhitby | We have a build machine which checks for new stuff every half hour and builds it and puts the new package in the feeds. |
| 22:42.07 | eFfeM | btw matthias_ do you happen to know what this line from axmier means: Capabilities: pvolume cvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined |
| 22:42.40 | eFfeM | is this pswitch thing something I can control ??? |
| 22:42.59 | matthias_ | eFfeM: so your analogue speakers get no signal on either output.. maybe you can have a look on also again. it's very complicated :-( |
| 22:44.02 | matthias_ | eFfeM: no. never used. but you could google it:) |
| 22:44.21 | eFfeM | yeah, it might be that I am mssing something, I've upgraded to the latest head last week (after I had it working) |
| 22:45.04 | eFfeM | don't know if it was working on accident as I sometimes have to tweak the device to get even amixer to work (there are leds showing whether it is muted or not) |
| 22:45.33 | matthias_ | rwhitby: are there thoughts to merge it? i'm also syncing the oe-repo for my zaurus. |
| 22:46.03 | rwhitby | matthias_: it's the same repo on multiple servers. |
| 22:46.03 | matthias_ | eFfeM: you could compare the amixer output between slug and your desktop. |
| 22:46.12 | eFfeM | matthias_, there are no other things I should have, apart from the modules, should they |
| 22:46.15 | rwhitby | the syncing between the multiple servers is done by koen frequently |
| 22:46.20 | eFfeM | the mixer output seems the same |
| 22:46.21 | koen|770 | rwhitby: not at the moment |
| 22:46.51 | koen|770 | nslu2 is still in quarantine |
| 22:48.05 | koen|770 | but jbowler is working on resolving the issue |
| 22:48.09 | matthias_ | i see. so it's best to start with nslu2 :-) |
| 22:48.34 | eFfeM | matthias_, actually i would like to capture diffs in usb traffic, but there is no usb monitor and usb debug in the kernel did not help, still need to look into the debug capabilities of snd-usb-audio |
| 22:48.39 | rwhitby | koen|770: ok, cool. |
| 22:48.52 | eFfeM | back in 10 mins |
| 22:49.26 | matthias_ | koen|770: how to i get a @openembedded.org - address? |
| 22:50.08 | rwhitby | matthias_: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/CreateAndUseMonotoneKeys |
| 22:50.38 | rwhitby | matthias_: then send the key to me |
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| 22:56.57 | matthias_ | eFfeM: ..log usb traffic..: that's *very* hard :-( |
| 23:05.11 | eFfeM | matthias_, i fered it would be, there is usbsnoop under windows, but I could not find somethign similar on linux' |
| 23:06.11 | eFfeM | good plan koen|sleep i think I'll follow your example |
| 23:06.53 | eFfeM | matthias_, would love to discuss this audio further with you tomorrow or so |
| 23:07.29 | Madkiss | harr, maybe I will install Debian on the thing |
| 23:07.43 | eFfeM | could not find anything in google on pswitch, will also ask in #alsa (and probably instrument the kernel a little bitt to at least get some debug output) |
| 23:08.41 | matthias_ | eFfeM: ok. if you find a good alsa docu, tell me. i hate it, that i didn't understand alsa so far :-(( |
| 23:09.13 | eFfeM | there is a lot on alsaproject if I recall the name correctly |
| 23:10.10 | matthias_ | eFfeM: yes, but nothing that explains the userinterface and options. |
| 23:10.25 | matthias_ | eFfeM: i ended up looking into the source :-( |
| 23:11.02 | eFfeM | actually that was just what I was doing right now. |
| 23:11.16 | eFfeM | however, I'm going to sleep now, work ahead tomorrow. |
| 23:11.20 | eFfeM | catch you later .... |
| 23:11.27 | eFfeM | and thanks for your advice |
| 23:11.43 | matthias_ | eFfeM: good nite |
| 23:13.02 | eFfeM | cu |
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