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| 00:32.29 | mokomoko | hello shiny happy people. |
| 00:32.31 | mokomoko | people.openmoko.org is down, so I can't get the moko11 firmware.Can anyone point me to a mirror? |
| 00:43.41 | mokomoko | could anyone please share a working link to flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz? thank you. |
| 00:44.00 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - haven't downloaded it |
| 00:44.53 | mokomoko | yes, I don't expect it to be easy, it's 2 years old and people rely on the main site... |
| 00:48.07 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer |
| 00:48.17 | SpeedEvil | Oh - he went for a walk, I think |
| 00:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'm back |
| 00:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: wazzup? |
| 00:49.20 | SpeedEvil | (12:31:26 AM) mokomoko: people.openmoko.org is down, so I can't get the moko11 firmware.Can anyone point me to a mirror? |
| 00:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | hell fire and brmstone, I need to travel Berlin kick some asses |
| 00:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | mokomoko: moment please |
| 00:50.12 | mokomoko | ok |
| 00:54.08 | mokomoko | anyway, kinda strange there is only one (1) copy of the file in the entire internet... :) would hope at least some distro would carry it, but google can't find it. |
| 01:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | mokomoko: uploading to http://joerg.cloud-7.de/ - ETA 70min. Please ping a reminder to move it to the apache folder if I don't manage to execute that mv after upload finished |
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| 01:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | mokomoko: please also /query roh and ask how long until finally om.org is back to normal operation. It's 4 days now that this box is down |
| 01:05.25 | mokomoko | DocScrutinizer: thanks a bunch. I don't I'll be awake by then, so I'll do that in the morning. :) |
| 01:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | NOW is a god time to kick Roh's lazy arse ;-D |
| 01:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | good* |
| 01:06.06 | mokomoko | :D |
| 01:07.12 | mokomoko | coming from you it would carry more weight... ;) |
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| 01:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | I already put al my weight into it, since saturday |
| 01:13.12 | mokomoko | nite nite all. I'll check the upload in the morning and chew Roh's behind when I catch him in the room. |
| 01:13.13 | DocScrutinizer | seems it needs ome additional momentum |
| 01:14.06 | mokomoko | thx |
| 01:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | he's never in this 'room', and rarely on om-devel. Frequently online on freenode though |
| 01:14.23 | mokomoko | oh, ok |
| 01:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | mokomoko: ^^^ |
| 01:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | mn, the wrong file |
| 01:22.58 | mokomoko | thx. I'd prefer the sd card image, but if that's what we got... |
| 01:27.32 | mokomoko | roh also hopes it will come up soon. ;) |
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| 02:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://joerg.cloud-7.de/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz |
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| 07:37.56 | ranit | Hi, anyone aware of what happened to lists.openmoko.org |
| 07:38.57 | larsc | someone pulled the plug ;) |
| 07:39.08 | ranit | oops |
| 07:39.32 | ranit | so no more mailing list for OM |
| 08:04.45 | radekp | larsc: hi, any plans for 2.6.38 now? |
| 08:05.55 | radekp | larsc: i am now running 2.6.37, but it's not in qtmoko yet, because there are still some problems with new debian, so i dont want to make more mess with new kernel... |
| 08:07.36 | larsc | radekp: not really. there wouldn't be much difference to .37 |
| 08:12.19 | larsc | but about half of our patches are going to be in 2.6.39 |
| 08:16.27 | radekp | larsc: great |
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| 09:14.24 | michelem | hello folks |
| 09:15.21 | michelem | I'm trying to figure out how to control the WiFi from QPE |
| 09:15.54 | michelem | I setup /etc/network/interfaces so that "ifup/ifdown eth1" work correctly |
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| 09:16.43 | michelem | but when I try to start/stop the interface from Settings -> Internet, the operation always fails |
| 09:18.51 | michelem | where is the QPE Internet settings controlled? E.g., what ethX interface it attempts to use |
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| 09:36.18 | mokomoko | Hi all. Thanks to DocScrutinizer I now have the moko11 sdcard image. |
| 09:36.39 | mokomoko | unfirtunately it doesn't boot right. kernel panic from no rootfs. |
| 09:37.30 | lindi- | mokomoko: wrong boot options? |
| 09:37.33 | mokomoko | I used DD to fill the card as instructed, so that's not it. I double checked with fdisk and the 2 newly created partitions look just right. |
| 09:37.42 | mokomoko | so.... yep, must be. |
| 09:37.48 | lindi- | mokomoko: which ones did you pass? |
| 09:38.14 | mokomoko | the ones in the u-boot env... :) |
| 09:38.36 | lindi- | mokomoko: u-boot environment is made to be modified :) |
| 09:38.57 | mokomoko | I checked them and they look right, but I need some reference page so I can check for real. |
| 09:40.50 | michelem | grep shows me that several scripts expect WiFi on eth0 |
| 09:41.09 | michelem | I guess it's faster to just have devd rename the netif to eth0 |
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| 10:01.00 | mokomoko | hmm... can't find the correct way to enable RNDIS in windows 7 either.... hint, anyone? |
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| 10:42.37 | mokomoko | is there a DFU-UTIL _signed_ driver for windows? |
| 10:44.20 | lindi- | mokomoko: I don't think dfu-util is a driver? |
| 10:44.50 | lindi- | mokomoko: just curious, why are you using openmoko? ;) |
| 10:44.53 | mokomoko | you're right. correction: is there a signed dfu driver for windows? |
| 10:45.25 | mokomoko | haha. :P I just happen to be somewhere I do not control the OS choice. :P |
| 10:45.49 | mokomoko | there are only penguins chez moi. |
| 10:49.33 | mokomoko | OS taste aside, my questions are pertinent and correct. I know that windows dfu hasn't had much attention precisely because of this kind of bickering, but I chalk that up to the developers' lack of vision (and time). I don't see anything wrong with people hacking a linux phone from a windows box, especially when that's all they have at hand during lunch break. |
| 10:50.20 | mokomoko | so, is there a signed version of dfu driver for windows?.... |
| 10:51.49 | lindi- | mokomoko: absolutely no idea |
| 10:51.59 | mokomoko | good answer. :) |
| 10:53.12 | mokomoko | I've very little hope, though... especially since more and more openmoko sites seem to be coming down with the flu... people.openmoko.org, projects.openmoko.org.... soon there will be no OM on the web. :( |
| 10:53.44 | lindi- | mokomoko: openmoko is hardware to me, it won't disappear from my pocket :) |
| 10:53.51 | mokomoko | :D |
| 10:54.13 | mokomoko | but alone you will not be able to use it. :) |
| 10:54.35 | lindi- | mokomoko: why not? |
| 10:54.50 | mokomoko | sites are needed to drive the community and store the results. |
| 10:55.25 | mokomoko | or are you capable of single-handedly develop a great-performing distro for it? |
| 10:55.27 | lindi- | mokomoko: I think the results should be in distros |
| 10:55.50 | lindi- | mokomoko: yes, I've been developing debian for quite some time now, *.openmoko.org is not critical for that although it'd still be nice to have |
| 10:56.10 | lindi- | mokomoko: point is just that it's not the end of the world for me |
| 10:56.10 | mokomoko | ok, I see. :) |
| 10:57.14 | mokomoko | it almost was for me. :) I couldn't get moko11 GSM FW and so the phone doesn't work well with any distro. There are some things only OM provides. |
| 10:58.00 | lindi- | I do have a copy but I'm not sure if it is legal for me to distribute it |
| 10:58.38 | mokomoko | I got a copy too via someone on this channel. Unfortunately the image isn't booting.. :( |
| 10:59.17 | mokomoko | and now the NAND system I had working is also not booting, so I'm starting to doubt the HW too.... |
| 11:00.10 | lindi- | mokomoko: image? |
| 11:00.18 | mokomoko | ? |
| 11:00.23 | lindi- | mokomoko: ah, it's SD card image for running the fluid program |
| 11:00.29 | lindi- | mokomoko: I just run fluid from my normal installation |
| 11:00.30 | mokomoko | yep |
| 11:01.13 | lindi- | it's somewhat telling that the most trouble on openmoko seems to be caused by non-free software :) |
| 11:01.38 | mokomoko | heheh... and lack of capacitors. :) |
| 11:01.55 | lindi- | that too yes |
| 11:04.15 | mokomoko | which are both a kind of bad managerial decision to me. |
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| 15:06.39 | mokomoko | Got some weird stuff happening here, need some tutoring... |
| 15:06.53 | mokomoko | got a QTmoko NAND installation working ok; |
| 15:07.32 | mokomoko | then I boot from NOR/u-boot with an SDcard with that special distro for using fluid to flash the gsm fw; |
| 15:08.06 | mokomoko | and not only the rootfs on the card cannot be found, but also the rootfs on the NAND becomes corrupted. |
| 15:08.15 | mokomoko | I have to flash it again to get it to boot. |
| 15:08.23 | mokomoko | Someone seen this? |
| 15:09.52 | mokomoko | the qtmoko distro is UBI fs and the NAND boot loader is the corresponding ubi-enabled Qi. |
| 15:10.12 | PaulFertser | mokomoko: why do not you amend that gsm firmware image a bit to make it boot with Qi? |
| 15:10.41 | mokomoko | amend? what do you mean? |
| 15:12.08 | mokomoko | I was just following the recipe, I don't know of any reason why Qi shouldn't boot the distro on the card. But it doesn't. So this amending is?.... |
| 15:12.50 | mokomoko | Is the ubi version of Qi incompatible with non-ubi rootfs? |
| 15:13.52 | PaulFertser | mokomoko: to place the kernel to the /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin on the rootfs partition. |
| 15:14.00 | PaulFertser | mokomoko: you can find more info at openmoko wiki |
| 15:15.20 | mokomoko | ah. good info. I had forgotten all about that. :) long time since I hacked this stuff. So, with the kernel in the rootfs, it should work just fine? No other changes necessary, you think? |
| 15:17.21 | mokomoko | ok, thank you Paul. |
| 15:18.52 | PaulFertser | mokomoko: :) |
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| 15:33.32 | mokomoko | PaulFertser: the part that baffles me is that the u-boot corrupted the ubifs on the nand, even though the menu option chosen was to boot from the card... |
| 15:33.58 | mokomoko | or maybe it was the loaded kernel?... |
| 15:35.01 | PaulFertser | mokomoko: who knows, probably that sdcard image doesn't like ubi, i have no idea. |
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| 16:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | meh, use a card <4GB, use NOR!!!!!!-uBoot |
| 16:19.34 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: may i suggest using SDHC cards and Qi too? |
| 16:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | damn, this worked like for 5000 users, without any problems |
| 16:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | how do you avoid the problem of Qi not properly initializing fb? |
| 16:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | afaik I prepared to image so you *could* use standard Qi of that time |
| 16:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | some people did |
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| 16:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#NOTE_2 |
| 16:45.55 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: the only limitation of that image -- no support for SDHC cards from nor u-boot, otherwise that image is rather cool. |
| 16:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly wonder what's different on SDHC so it won't boot even while MBR is that of a normal SD |
| 16:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | hm, I guess there are other more low level ways the card can tell about its properties |
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| 17:19.33 | linuxxr | 2.6.b8 in shr? |
| 17:19.42 | linuxxr | .38 |
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| 18:03.37 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: SDHC cards use block addressing, so the code for older cards would simply fail reading the right bytes. |
| 18:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 22:58.34 | LionKMP | The little "< X >' button does not appear for me. I guess it's a FAQ. SHR) |
| 22:58.39 | LionKMP | hi btw |
| 22:59.47 | LionKMP | so I cannot close applications |
| 23:04.17 | pespin | LionKMP, known bug ;) |
| 23:04.30 | pespin | LionKMP, run "shr_elm_softkey &" in a terminal |
| 23:04.49 | pespin | it somestimes doesn't get started correctly |
| 23:10.33 | LionKMP | pespin: for me it never. Can I add it to an xinitdrc or whatever? :) |
| 23:12.58 | pespin | LionKMP, no idea ;) |
| 23:13.16 | pespin | LionKMP, I just start it from ssh whenever I reboot it. |
| 23:13.29 | [Rui] | ⺠@Lopi: w00t! #Sound is now working on the iPhone3G in !SHR. Time to work on implementing the #baseband and #accelerometer. #iX !iX !iphone |
| 23:13.30 | LionKMP | ok, thank you, still useful :) |
| 23:13.51 | pespin | [Rui], great! :D |
| 23:15.04 | [Rui] | I wonder who's Lopi |
| 23:16.09 | [Rui] | ⺠@Lopi_iXProject: Check out my latest #video: http://youtu.be/7w3grzo_ybM !iX #iX !shr !iphone |
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| 23:19.37 | LionKMP | wow I love shr_elm_softkey, I missed it a lot. needed to reboot to close a program :-) |
| 23:19.55 | [Rui] | LionKMP: when I get more time to work on it, I'll try to imprive it a bit |
| 23:20.15 | LionKMP | Rui: do you know how to make it autostart? :) |
| 23:20.19 | [Rui] | LionKMP: hope you like the task list it does and easier to access buttons |
| 23:20.24 | LionKMP | And the new down-arrow button rocks, I like it. |
| 23:20.35 | LionKMP | yes, definately! bigger buttons too. |
| 23:20.37 | LionKMP | wonderful :) |
| 23:20.45 | [Rui] | LionKMP: it should auto start, but apparently there's a creepy bug. |
| 23:21.23 | [Rui] | LionKMP: root@om-gta02 ~/.e/e/applications/startup # cat .order |
| 23:21.24 | [Rui] | shr_elm_softkey.desktop |
| 23:22.04 | LionKMP | it is there |
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| 23:23.42 | [Rui] | :( |
| 23:24.52 | LionKMP | can I copy that desktop file to where the applications are, so I could start it with click? |
| 23:25.08 | LionKMP | I forgot where is the applications folder, however I can find in the Wiki :) |
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| 23:26.42 | LionKMP | ah, it's there already, just needs removing NoDisplay=true :) |
| 23:28.00 | [Rui] | ok. but still it shouldn't happen. |
| 23:28.23 | [Rui] | there's a bug over it in shr's trac with a script that needs people suffering from the bug to try it out |
| 23:32.14 | LionKMP | do you think SHR will be available for GTA04 (Golden Deli)? |
| 23:32.27 | [Rui] | yes, of course |
| 23:32.37 | LionKMP | great! Wonderful! :D |
| 23:32.45 | LionKMP | then I'll buy one :) |