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| 09:18.16 | eMBee | PaulFertser: rootwait did not help, but rootdelay=10 produced a more correct partitions list (still some issues, i suspect the partitions are messed up so redoing them now) |
| 09:18.29 | PaulFertser | eMBee: nice |
| 09:19.01 | eMBee | is unsure about the best way to do partitioning |
| 09:19.11 | JaMa | booting without anything connected to usb ports helps here |
| 09:19.42 | JaMa | I mean for rootwait/rootdelay and 2.6.32.12 boots ok even with rootdelay=1 (default) |
| 09:19.45 | eMBee | hmmmm, i'll keep that in mind, thank you |
| 09:20.32 | eMBee | i have seen different reports on the number of sectors/cylinters depending on the tool i used (fdisk vs sfdisk) |
| 09:21.00 | eMBee | and suggestions that i should set the cylinters to a certain number |
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| 09:21.42 | eMBee | elsewhere i read that i should watch out to align the sectors correctly with what is actually in the card |
| 09:22.58 | eMBee | but that was about SSDs, nut sure if that applies to SD cards |
| 09:28.46 | SpeedEvil | eMBee: Is this a blank card you're filling? |
| 09:29.12 | eMBee | yes |
| 09:31.23 | SpeedEvil | then it doesn't matter at all |
| 09:31.56 | SpeedEvil | a SD card has no internal heads/cylinders/tracks |
| 09:32.04 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't even have internal simple blocks |
| 09:33.33 | eMBee | hmm? http://elm-chan.org/docs/mmc/mmc_e.html |
| 09:33.48 | eMBee | in particular look at the erase block section |
| 09:34.31 | SpeedEvil | That's irrelevant |
| 09:34.39 | SpeedEvil | it's not exposed to the user that way |
| 09:34.40 | eMBee | why? |
| 09:35.32 | eMBee | of course not, but making sure that my partitions do not overlap an erase block boundary can be helpful to ensure that the next partition remains untouched when writing at the edge of the other partition |
| 09:36.17 | SpeedEvil | You cannot know the details of eraseblocks - the chip will not tell you, and it will not always align them with the edge of the sd |
| 09:36.29 | SpeedEvil | IF you're worried about that, you can leave a small gap |
| 09:36.41 | eMBee | nods |
| 09:37.11 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg170028.html |
| 09:37.16 | SpeedEvil | is a long thread on this issue |
| 09:39.46 | eMBee | ahyes, i think i read that one some time before |
| 09:40.35 | eMBee | his suggestion to: Write aligned 16KiB blocks is the one i am concerned about |
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| 09:42.51 | SpeedEvil | What are you going to be using this for? |
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| 09:43.31 | eMBee | data and OS partitions for various openmoko distributions |
| 09:43.50 | SpeedEvil | You're overthinking this - just pick something, it doesn't matter. |
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| 09:44.43 | eMBee | you are probably right |
| 09:46.22 | wincide | Hi all, do you know if openmoko supports PTT / PoC ¿? |
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| 09:49.25 | SpeedEvil | push-talk? |
| 09:49.42 | SpeedEvil | That's more a modem functionality - I'm unsure it can do that. |
| 09:50.35 | wincide | modem ?? |
| 09:50.38 | wincide | is voip |
| 09:51.32 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 09:51.48 | SpeedEvil | Unsure - sorry - not got a recent build installed. |
| 09:52.32 | wincide | i dont know if this is a channel for developpers.. just to know if there is any kind of push to talk client or a project to make one .. Most of nokia handsets include a ptt client.. |
| 09:53.05 | Heinervdm | I don't think someone implemented PTT |
| 09:53.45 | wincide | :P as i said.. the client, ptt itself is a huge project |
| 09:57.42 | PaulFertser | wincide: freerunner is just a small portable arm computer. |
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| 09:58.26 | PaulFertser | wincide: if you can compile that client for your laptop, there're considerable chances you can get it running on FR too. |
| 09:58.53 | PaulFertser | wincide: performance might be an issue though, especially if the codecs rely heavily on floating-point. |
| 10:01.02 | wincide | well , the codec usually is RTP . and the stablishment SIP, are quite standard both of them .. thanks for the info, but i dont have such client.. just i was asking if someone knows about a ptt project for openmoko, that depends more on the OS than the proccessor ... :) |
| 10:01.22 | PaulFertser | wincide: os is GNU/Linux |
| 10:01.44 | PaulFertser | wincide: is nokia client proprietary? |
| 10:03.10 | wincide | i think so,also their PTT technology but the openmobilealliance is opening a big field with a standard that all the companies also approved.. even nokia.. |
| 10:05.21 | wincide | i mean, each big company was making his own technology according to this functionality , but to standarize all of such "differences" they made a kind of generalized roadmap , and public documentation .. where probably some opensource devel has begun to make a client |
| 10:05.25 | nullix | SIP + RTP i guess ekiga does that but i fear it will be far too big to be ported on freerunner. |
| 10:05.59 | nullix | well RTP is not a codec, it is just a transport layer. |
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| 10:06.46 | wincide | http://www.openmobilealliance.org/ |
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| 10:07.31 | wincide | anyway, just my curiosity related to openmoko and non propietary resources related to telephony |
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| 14:36.22 | eMBee | wiped his uSD card with dd if=/dev/zero and then sfdisk and fdisk agreed on sectors heads etc, also the cylinder size was 32k and the paritions ended up fitting nicely with only 60 blocks unused |
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| 15:01.26 | eMBee | but no luck with bootmenu getting it to list any partitions despite the rootdelay option |
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| 17:13.42 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:11.44 | LionKMP | hi guys, did you ever see "Couldn't connect to FSO or phonefsod". SHR. What do you recommend? (I tried manually starting some daemons, but can't do that every day, and didn't help anyway.) |
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| 19:22.58 | linuxxr | wassa |
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| 19:28.24 | linuxxr | "Doc" |
| 19:29.01 | linuxxr | any hardware news besides that beagle thing? |
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| 20:43.49 | [Rui] | tim_abell: hi tim, haven't read your email yet, work is crazy as crazy goes :( |
| 20:44.16 | [Rui] | is still waiting for all the email to come up |
| 20:44.46 | tim_abell | [Rui], no rush, that's the joy of email, it'll wait till you are ready :) |
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| 21:27.10 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: hi |
| 21:27.16 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: hi :) |
| 21:27.25 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: I have working bluetooth headset in QtMoko and in Android |
| 21:27.56 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: Cool :) |
| 21:28.05 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: are you completely satisfied with it now? |
| 21:28.07 | Gabrys | do we have the amixer workaround put somewhere in C code instead of calling amixer binary? |
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| 21:28.59 | Gabrys | I haven't done much testing in Android, but in QtMoko it seems from time to time it just stops working, no matter if I re-do the workaround or re-run my program to set ALSA settings on hw0:1 |
| 21:29.03 | SparFux | Hi! |
| 21:29.26 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: no idea, but there's an example on the alsa wiki explaining how to do a simple client. |
| 21:29.27 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: but other than that, it's working nicely in QtMoko |
| 21:29.43 | Gabrys | I'm browsing amixer's source to figure out ;-) |
| 21:29.56 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: someone's already done that for you |
| 21:30.13 | Gabrys | PaulFertser: you mean what? |
| 21:30.51 | SparFux | Why wouldn't Neo FreeRunner be a usable phone? I can install debian on it, I read, and this should be a stable system being capable of telephony. |
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| 21:33.16 | PaulFertser | Gabrys: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/HowTo_access_a_mixer_control |
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| 21:45.03 | Gabrys | it gives me linker error :( |
| 21:48.01 | Gabrys | ok, the howto is wrong in one line ;P |
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| 22:38.48 | pooh` | Good evening! Can anybody help with openmoko network problem? |
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| 22:59.52 | pooh` | anyone alive here? |
| 23:00.05 | SpeedEvil | Generally few. |
| 23:00.16 | SpeedEvil | If you state the problem, maybe someone lurking will read it later. |
| 23:00.28 | pooh` | hm, i'm not sure how to state. |
| 23:00.38 | pooh` | generally i want to opkg update |
| 23:00.41 | pooh` | but it stalls |
| 23:00.58 | pooh` | i look on the packets, the SYN handshake is working |
| 23:01.16 | pooh` | and then no requests from the device |
| 23:01.27 | pooh` | wwget stalls also |
| 23:01.35 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - no clue. Does general networking work? |
| 23:01.43 | pooh` | while it can get some index.html from other site |
| 23:02.01 | pooh` | could it be that it doesn't for some reason like .gz suffix? |
| 23:02.10 | pooh` | yes, networking works, usb works |
| 23:02.13 | pooh` | ping works |
| 23:02.38 | pooh` | i'm bumping into it for two days, no clue at all |
| 23:02.48 | pooh` | probably some hardware feature i don't know |
| 23:03.47 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
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| 23:04.49 | pooh` | very funny thing, that when i try for example to get Package.html it fails |
| 23:04.54 | pooh` | but it gets the response and stuff |
| 23:05.17 | pooh` | while it doesn't intend to ask for .gz |
| 23:06.04 | pooh` | i think there is something it misses *before* asking for .gz, so it connects, fails somewhere and has no intention to send a request |
| 23:14.47 | pooh` | ah, no, i was mistaken |
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| 23:15.09 | pooh` | the web server on the other end doesn't respond |
| 23:15.39 | pooh` | it responds for wrong urls, but no response for Packages.gz |
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