| 00:00.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm concerned about your illume segfaults |
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| 00:01.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | shouldn't happen unless you mess with illume settings, especially the gadgets enabled ;-P |
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| 00:02.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: you flashed the matching kernel for 88 rootfs? |
| 00:02.59 | Stroller | Oh, I might have mucked about with the gadgets enabled |
| 00:03.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | aaah, then XD |
| 00:03.16 | Stroller | I thought that would change what was shown on the home screen |
| 00:03.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that's normal |
| 00:03.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | gadget settings are notorious for causing segfaults |
| 00:03.58 | Stroller | The gadgets are the things in the top bar, then? |
| 00:04.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | right, at least that's the word I use for them. Dunno if I'm wrong maybe |
| 00:06.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | "shelf gadgets" is the illume terminus |
| 00:07.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | top shelf gadgets even |
| 00:08.56 | slaxxer | i use the 090609 image with no problems |
| 00:09.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | amazingly enough illume settings (wrench) is the part that's least adapted to illume (on FR) |
| 00:09.49 | Stroller | yeah, I'd noticed that |
| 00:09.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | slaxxer: good to hear. probably I should change the chan topic eventually |
| 00:10.03 | Stroller | What are the "hidden gadgets" then? |
| 00:10.23 | Stroller | And what gadgets should be enabled & not? |
| 00:10.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | those show up *on top* shelf when you pulldown topshelf |
| 00:11.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | e.g wrench itself is "hidden" |
| 00:11.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | iirc the default settings |
| 00:12.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | (which should) depends on you and your preferences / luck on geting them to work without segfault ;-P |
| 00:13.22 | Stroller | Thanks! |
| 00:13.28 | Stroller | I don't want "luck" |
| 00:13.33 | Stroller | I just want some that work! |
| 00:14.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, you probably want battery, and GSM (maybe). Clock works flawlessly, as well as wifi |
| 00:14.49 | slaxxer | wheres raster? |
| 00:14.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | BT segfaults afaik |
| 00:15.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~seen raster |
| 00:15.09 | apt | raster is currently on #oe (10h 42m 40s) #openmoko (10h 42m 40s) #openmoko-cdevel (10h 42m 40s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 16m 24s, last said: 'Kensan: pong!'. |
| 00:15.20 | slaxxer | :) |
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| 00:18.17 | uhsf | DocScrutinizer-8: you really think fr sound will be improved at some point? it's almost inaudible at both ends of the communication. |
| 00:19.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | uhsf: I published big C buzzfix paper, and most of the alsa wiki content. Do you think you may tell to me "sound will never get fixed"? |
| 00:19.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~tell uhsf about fr-audio |
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| 00:22.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | uhsf: actually a lot of people were really happy with their audio lately |
| 00:23.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | admittedly due to wide variations in individual hw, you need to adjust audio to your particualr hw as well as to your needs |
| 00:24.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | to get optimum audio performance on calls |
| 00:25.18 | Stroller | Is there any way to adjust the delay in the keyboard pop up? I'd like the magnified version to come up on the screen sooner |
| 00:26.05 | DocScrutinizer-8 | there's a lot of known issues with FR audio. Some of them are hard to fix. But those mentioned by you are clearly not of that class. Actually they are gone since ~3 months, and it's rather annoying to hear your whining while referring to a buld of may |
| 00:26.17 | uhsf | i will probably try the latest shr and try different sound settings after my exams in late october |
| 00:27.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: no idea. that's rasters domain I guess |
| 00:27.37 | uhsf | if i'm not satisfied then i might think about getting the nokia n900 |
| 00:28.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | if there's no setting in illumes wrench under kbd-advanced, then it's probably difficult |
| 00:28.06 | raster | is summoned |
| 00:28.14 | uhsf | i wish new shr is better |
| 00:28.25 | slaxxer | this is a developer unit,,, so maybe thaats what u need to do |
| 00:28.43 | uhsf | right now it freezes everytime i receive a sms |
| 00:28.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | uhsf: please stop it |
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| 00:29.17 | slaxxer | there it is |
| 00:29.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | we're not interested in reports about issues of may image |
| 00:29.42 | raster | too late |
| 00:29.43 | slaxxer | makes me wonder |
| 00:29.43 | raster | he rean! |
| 00:30.00 | raster | suspects a lot of om users will defect to the n900 |
| 00:30.14 | Stroller | Oh? Why? |
| 00:30.20 | Stroller | Is there any way to adjust the delay in the keyboard pop up? I'd like the magnified version to come up on the screen sooner |
| 00:30.24 | mwester | defect? That's not the word I would use. |
| 00:30.28 | slaxxer | even if they do they like me are just users |
| 00:30.28 | mwester | "escape" maybe |
| 00:30.52 | slaxxer | , |
| 00:30.57 | raster | mwester: hahahahahhaa |
| 00:31.13 | slaxxer | i KNOW what i bought |
| 00:31.23 | raster | they want something that works, but that is a pretty regular familair linux box |
| 00:31.26 | mwester | i've come to terms with what I bought. |
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| 00:31.49 | mwester | But I sympathize with the users who feel a sense of frustration... |
| 00:31.52 | slaxxer | i wanna change the board |
| 00:31.54 | raster | if just users they want bash, and perl, python and scripts. they want to ssh to their phone and set up cron jobs |
| 00:32.13 | raster | if devs they want for once not to be told what language to use and what toolkit to use. they want to use what they already know |
| 00:32.16 | mwester | Still, it's pretty cool to compile a C program on your cell phone. :D |
| 00:32.30 | raster | om in theory offered that. no one else to date does... except n900 |
| 00:33.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | raster: is there a way to tweak illume kbd the way Stroller asked for? |
| 00:33.37 | mwester | isn't going to rush to get an n900, though. |
| 00:33.37 | raster | how? what? delay? |
| 00:33.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 00:33.42 | slaxxer | what for |
| 00:33.57 | raster | it comes up as soon as it sees a property requesting the presence of a vkbd |
| 00:34.02 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.24 | raster | well there is a slight delay to allow for properties quickly changing state |
| 00:34.27 | raster | let them settle first |
| 00:34.29 | DocScrutinizer-8 | huh??? you guys so off topic |
| 00:34.51 | raster | it's 0.2 seconds for hide |
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| 00:34.57 | Guest54842 | hallo |
| 00:35.17 | ragulp | i was looking for absorption rate on openmoko fdo console |
| 00:35.33 | ragulp | is it anywhere displayed under /sys/ or /proc/? |
| 00:35.55 | raster | as such when it gets a property change notify or a new window is focused - it checks the vkbd propertty state and instantly calls |
| 00:35.59 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.01 | raster | no delay |
| 00:36.11 | raster | there is animation - u can turn that off. there are settings |
| 00:36.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | raster: aiui Stroller asked for adjusting the ~0.8sec delay of loupe popup |
| 00:36.25 | raster | loupe popup? |
| 00:36.48 | raster | oooh the hold down to get zoomed box? |
| 00:37.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeeees |
| 00:37.10 | raster | no config there |
| 00:37.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | :-D |
| 00:37.32 | slaxxer | he wants instant |
| 00:37.39 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.40 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.55 | Stroller | TY, raster |
| 00:37.57 | raster | instant would be utterly stupid to have |
| 00:38.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, hardcoded then |
| 00:38.21 | raster | you will cause tonnes of app window redraws as well as redraws for the popup box every time u press |
| 00:38.37 | slaxxer | ok then .02 |
| 00:38.53 | raster | thats short enough to be instant |
| 00:39.07 | raster | try it |
| 00:39.11 | raster | it will be immensely annoying |
| 00:39.24 | raster | and cause a bit of a performance bottleneck |
| 00:39.31 | raster | but patch away and try |
| 00:39.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm just forwarding a user question :-D |
| 00:39.52 | raster | sure |
| 00:39.56 | raster | stroller is here :) |
| 00:40.08 | raster | i'm giving advice |
| 00:40.14 | raster | its open source. he's free to patch it |
| 00:40.15 | raster | :) |
| 00:41.17 | ragulp | i would like to check absorbtion rate on openmoko through /proc /sys |
| 00:41.21 | ragulp | is it possible? |
| 00:41.37 | raster | nfi |
| 00:41.46 | Stroller | But it doesn't matter so much, anyway, because normally you're using the "default" keyboard? |
| 00:42.17 | raster | ??? |
| 00:42.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ragulp: sorry, what do you want to check? |
| 00:43.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: I disabled default, as it's useless for me |
| 00:43.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | only terminal-kbd here |
| 00:44.05 | raster | this is modifying the long press timout for the illume vkbd - in all modes and uses |
| 00:44.37 | raster | there is no differentiation |
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| 00:46.01 | Stroller | Yeah, but the popup is less important when you're using normal, because the buttons are larger and the auto-spell |
| 00:46.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wonders wtf might be an absorbtion rate on openmoko |
| 00:46.19 | ragulp | DocScrutinizer-8: i wnat to check power consumption |
| 00:46.41 | raster | Stroller: yes, thus making it 0 second will have it pop up every time u press the screen |
| 00:46.53 | Stroller | NP |
| 00:47.05 | raster | (well press the vkbd area of tyhe screen |
| 00:47.07 | raster | ) |
| 00:47.19 | raster | u'll find that a non-trivial expense |
| 00:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | ragulp: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail |
| 00:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | ragulp: HTH |
| 00:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | ragulp: "opkg install bash" |
| 00:49.26 | Stroller | I'm struggling with this auto-spell, though |
| 00:49.32 | Stroller | Is there a manual for the keyboard? |
| 00:52.38 | Stroller | raster: Is there a manual for the keyboard? |
| 00:52.59 | slaxxer | hit the terminal switch in the upper right corner of the keyboard menu |
| 00:53.14 | raster | like man page? |
| 00:53.21 | slaxxer | gives a full keyboard |
| 00:53.28 | raster | no. |
| 00:53.42 | raster | the default mode is for entering text like english |
| 00:53.47 | raster | not for termials or writing code |
| 00:53.52 | raster | its for wiritng emails, sms's etc. |
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| 00:54.06 | raster | ie what 99% of peolpe actually do with their phones |
| 00:54.20 | raster | terminal layout is there for when u want to be nerdy |
| 00:54.28 | raster | anyway |
| 00:54.37 | raster | the default mode enables auto-correct |
| 00:55.00 | raster | the code logic tries to figure out what you most likely wanted to type based on the keys near where u actually pressed |
| 00:55.09 | raster | and using a dictionary file with frequency usage |
| 00:55.34 | raster | it will present the words it thinks most closely matched what u typed above the kbd - most likely in the middle |
| 00:55.44 | raster | just press it to "accept" or press the one u wanted |
| 00:55.54 | raster | if it isn there top-left arrow brings up a list of all matches |
| 00:56.07 | raster | top one is exactly what u typed, the rest are listed in order from most to lest likely |
| 00:56.11 | raster | select the one u want |
| 00:56.31 | raster | it learns, so as u use words more their frequency counts go up |
| 00:56.44 | raster | if u dont know a word and u select it from the explicit list, it learns it |
| 00:57.07 | raster | the dict files are just text files (atm) |
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| 01:01.06 | Stroller | What I'm finding is my fingers are "too fat" |
| 01:01.31 | Stroller | I think i understand what's going on |
| 01:01.53 | Stroller | Like back-space changes the suggest entries |
| 01:05.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: like with T9 you need to type whole word before you start to care what's actual result displayed on top |
| 01:05.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | alas for me it never get a faint hit on what I wanted to type |
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| 01:06.52 | Stroller | Yup, but if you try to select the completed word but accidentally type an additional letter instead ... then the suggest changes.... so you have to do a backspace swipe, then the suggest goes back to the original |
| 01:07.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yep |
| 01:07.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and it took me ages to learn about the left top button to access the list |
| 01:08.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | always thought the textfield in top center had a scroll-left/right and obviously that failed ;-P |
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| 01:09.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so I got accustomed to always having a sylus (or toothpick, matches) on me |
| 01:09.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and use terminal kbd |
| 01:10.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: a friend of mine prefers literki |
| 01:11.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | which also might be a nice alternative, esp. in landscape mode |
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| 01:17.05 | slaxxer | i get 2 yellow boxes then nothing |
| 01:17.14 | slaxxer | with literki |
| 01:17.41 | slaxxer | the last 3 times i tried it |
| 01:19.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | slaxxer: I get nothing but inacceptable delay on illume knb <return> key |
| 01:20.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so obviously literky *is* doing *something* ;-P |
| 01:21.40 | slaxxer | maybe because im using unstable |
| 01:22.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | guess I should read TFM and configure literki correctly ;-) |
| 01:24.14 | slaxxer | maybe who built it should do it |
| 01:24.58 | slaxxer | leaving u to do the more important stuff |
| 01:26.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, iirc literki wasn't in SHR feed. So probably I shouldn't expect a matching preconfig for SHR |
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| 01:31.06 | Stroller | Next question.... I'm trying this Vagau... app on the main screen... and it errors out saying "error initialising audio subsystem" |
| 01:31.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | slaxxer: btw, are you kidding? ME doing any important stuff? ;-P |
| 01:31.36 | Stroller | Next question.... I'm trying Vagalume ... and it errors out saying "error initialising audio subsystem" |
| 01:32.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, never tried vagalume. Start it from terminal, so you maybe get decent error msgs |
| 01:32.51 | slaxxer | missing dependencies? |
| 01:33.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I guess missing alsa.state file XD |
| 01:33.33 | DocScrutinizer-8 | scenario vs scenarii |
| 01:34.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | or wrong alsa audio dev setup |
| 01:35.03 | Stroller | Ah, good idea |
| 01:35.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | missing gstreamer components |
| 01:37.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | opkg list | grep gst |
| 01:38.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | opkg install *mad*, *mp3+, *audiosink* |
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| 01:42.08 | Stroller | For USB networking - it's "device" or "host" mode? |
| 01:43.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm, depends I guess. Usually you'd want device mode. Esp to hook it up to PC |
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| 04:01.44 | root_demon | so, I've been working on a web browser for the freerunner. so far, it's faster, and smaller than dillo2. |
| 04:03.36 | root_demon | #! /bin/bash |
| 04:03.36 | root_demon | wget $1 -o /dev/null -O - | less |
| 04:04.00 | root_demon | I'm thinking about opening up a project page for it. |
| 04:06.20 | lindi- | root_demon: why bash? ;) |
| 04:09.40 | root_demon | if you're interested in a tcsh port, I might be able to get to that after this becomes beta. we'll see though. |
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| 04:13.29 | root_demon | so, I'm still USB-less, so my freerunner paperweight is still just that. I've ripped apart my laptop already to check for power failure. now I'm trying a more current kernel. hopefully it will give me more insight. |
| 04:14.08 | root_demon | nothing you guys need to know. I simply have nothing else to do while I wait for the download. |
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| 04:20.12 | pabs3 | max_posedon: looks like OpenGL ES is in today's mesa 7.6 release: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU1NQ |
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| 04:31.00 | roh | muhar. http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html |
| 04:31.11 | roh | palm seems to have fun shootimg themselves |
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| 04:51.11 | mizerydearia | Is Openmoko usable on any u.s.-based phone networks or not yet? |
| 04:51.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | FR is a GSM phone |
| 04:52.47 | mwester | mizerydearia, which translates to AT&T and T-Mobile only. |
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| 05:01.00 | SchorhrAway | The Freerunner case extension has been shipped and is on its way :-) Arrived in germany last night |
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| 05:01.21 | SchorhrAway | I wonder how long ups needs to deliver it |
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| 05:34.27 | budfive_ | SchorhrAway: what's the case extension? |
| 05:35.03 | SchorhrAway | It fits between lid and case for more room (batteires, extensions) |
| 05:36.16 | SchorhrAway | budfive_: CAD-Files from http://openmokast.org/pictures.html (see bottom for pictures) |
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| 05:37.12 | SchorhrAway | Printed at Shapeways.com, about $16; If the material (white strong&flexible, a sort of nylon) is suitable, I'll make a thinner (cheaper) and a bit larger version |
| 05:38.15 | budfive_ | SchorhrAway: thanks |
| 05:38.25 | SchorhrAway | I need a longer battery lifetime and external battery boxes are not really handy |
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| 05:57.33 | Waqar | Is this channel still active |
| 06:00.55 | slaxxer | u know it |
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| 06:15.47 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hey, seen my link? |
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| 06:23.08 | SchorhrAway | How can I get midori to download pdf files instead of showing "can not be displayed?" |
| 06:30.50 | SchorhrAway | Editing the config-file and removing the # infront of the download path did not work, after starting midori the config file is back to normal |
| 06:34.05 | lindi- | SchorhrAway: in debian it asks "Open or download file" [save] [save as] [cancel] [open] |
| 06:37.09 | SchorhrAway | Unfortunaly on the openmoko fr with shr it will just open a page "...can not be displayed...", and as right clicking is not implemented in some way, its a bit tricky (since copying the adress will not work either) |
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| 06:39.17 | lindi- | SchorhrAway: sounds like a broken distro :( |
| 06:39.37 | SchorhrAway | why broken distro? |
| 06:40.17 | lindi- | SchorhrAway: well it should test programs for obvious things like this before including them? |
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| 06:59.29 | SchorhrAway | lindi-: Well, it's a minor flaw of the program, not really a broken distro :-) |
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| 07:59.08 | lindi- | SchorhrAway: quite fatal flaw in a web browser? |
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| 07:59.59 | SchorhrAway | As long as viewing webpages works |
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| 09:42.44 | skamster_ | hello all, just a little thing for the german users |
| 09:43.52 | skamster_ | i set up a little foswiki which is open, for expiriences.. it contains more possibilitys, i think.. so if someone want also to share expiriences, you're welcome to join |
| 09:43.53 | skamster_ | https://death-head.ch/pubwiki/bin/view/Tech/Openmoko/ |
| 09:44.15 | skamster_ | (short url must be made, root-certificate is from cacert.org) |
| 09:46.21 | Fox_Muldr | your certificate is not trusted because issuer CA is not known in firefox ;) |
| 09:46.54 | Fox_Muldr | looks like a self signed cert |
| 09:48.42 | Fox_Muldr | or cacert.org is not by default in the firefox CA's |
| 09:49.26 | skamster_ | no, cacert isn't per default in firefox |
| 09:49.32 | skamster_ | because of this i said it ;) |
| 09:49.37 | Fox_Muldr | hehe ok |
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| 09:49.52 | Fox_Muldr | but than why bother to use an external signed one and not a self-signed? |
| 09:50.00 | skamster_ | the root-certificate must be downloaded on cacert.org , but it's a easy thing |
| 09:50.11 | Fox_Muldr | the effect in the browser is the same because cacert is not official :) |
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| 09:50.32 | ndnihil | why not just use the official wiki? |
| 09:50.41 | skamster_ | yeah, but i like the princip of cacert.. |
| 09:50.54 | skamster_ | 1. i want to make it german |
| 09:51.07 | skamster_ | 2. the work with foswiki is much easyer for me |
| 09:51.32 | skamster_ | 3. it's electronical, so it's easy to port ;) |
| 09:51.46 | SpeedEvil | there s a german wiki |
| 09:51.59 | SpeedEvil | a german translation I mean |
| 09:52.02 | ndnihil | so you want to split up the information and make it more difficult for the rest of the community to find, simply because you don't like english or a particular wiki software? |
| 09:52.12 | skamster_ | 4. there are some pages which descripes the same thing, but some things aren't clear for me |
| 09:53.03 | Fox_Muldr | i also think that german pages in the official openmoko wiki would be better than a complete different wiki on another url... |
| 09:53.27 | skamster_ | mmh, no, i think, it's another way of documentation.. at least for me.. in the official wiki is another idea of the structur, i think.. |
| 09:54.08 | ndnihil | heh, good luck with your wiki, but don't be surprised if you're the only person using it |
| 09:54.22 | Fox_Muldr | than at least make a reference in the official wiki to your wiki so that people can find it |
| 09:54.29 | skamster_ | that's no problem for me ;) |
| 09:55.02 | skamster_ | if i've got a new expirience, i wrote it there, that's all.. and if someone could use the information, it's good.. :) |
| 09:55.17 | ndnihil | so it's a blog |
| 09:56.00 | skamster_ | yeah, something like that, but in the end, it is a wiki.. there arent's daily-entrys, sorted by date.. |
| 09:56.40 | Fox_Muldr | i'm also german but i don't think that i will use many different pages only because they are german. at the moment the best site for "wiki" information is the official site i think. but good luck for your german site. :) |
| 09:56.40 | skamster_ | :) |
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| 09:57.34 | skamster_ | thx.. :) |
| 09:58.38 | SpeedEvil | but someone can't generally use the information. |
| 09:58.50 | SpeedEvil | As it's not on the normal site, and they won't know to look |
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| 10:09.45 | skamster_ | mmh, it's possible to make a link |
| 10:10.56 | panicking | mickey_away, hi |
| 10:11.03 | skamster_ | or, if some peoble think, there are good articles, they are able to "fork" it (i know, as default there is a copyright, but this is just from the foswiki, i use copyleft :) ) |
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| 12:15.26 | skamster_ | does someone know a possibility to say the debian-installer "don't make partitions on my sd-card, just use partition 1+2 (1 for boot) ? |
| 12:16.12 | lindi- | skamster_: install.sh or debian-installer? |
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| 12:18.01 | skamster_ | install.sh |
| 12:20.47 | skamster_ | i didn't found something which allows the let the whole sd-card be and just formating the partitions.. |
| 12:20.55 | skamster_ | or is somewhere a root-fs? |
| 12:21.00 | skamster_ | as tar.gz? |
| 12:21.25 | lindi- | skamster_: ok, debian-installer is a completely different program |
| 12:21.42 | lindi- | skamster_: have you looked at the options install.sh takes? |
| 12:21.49 | skamster_ | yes |
| 12:21.56 | skamster_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/InstallScript |
| 12:22.11 | skamster_ | just here, but i think, there are all the options.. |
| 12:22.28 | skamster_ | the most simple way is a rootfs-file i think |
| 12:22.33 | lindi- | skamster_: see the stages |
| 12:22.34 | ndnihil | I never got anywhere useful with install.sh |
| 12:22.57 | ndnihil | ended up getting it booting and such, but still broken in several ways (usb net, X, etc..) |
| 12:23.28 | lindi- | ndnihil: i don't see how that could be solved without working on it :) |
| 12:23.46 | ndnihil | I did work on it, for a couple days at least |
| 12:23.52 | ndnihil | got annoyed and flashed shr-u |
| 12:24.29 | ndnihil | but, now that it's no longer a "phone" for me, I might give it another go, I'd rather have debian |
| 12:24.52 | lindi- | ndnihil: ah. you had no realname set so I couldn't find you from the pkg-fso mailing list, did you post there? |
| 12:25.07 | ndnihil | I havent posted to the ML at all |
| 12:25.20 | ndnihil | made one or two wiki edits, but that's it |
| 12:26.04 | ndnihil | to be honest, I haven't even read much of the ML traffic other than stuff that google pointed me to |
| 12:27.15 | ndnihil | heh, and I just googled "bing" for fun, and it looks like M$ is paying google to advertise bing |
| 12:27.47 | ndnihil | (unrelated, but I thought it was amusing) |
| 12:28.46 | skamster_ | i found a option.. :) |
| 12:28.55 | skamster_ | hope it works, if not, then not.. |
| 12:29.01 | skamster_ | :) |
| 12:29.49 | ndnihil | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 12:29.53 | ndnihil | you tried that yet? |
| 12:30.27 | skamster_ | no, i was trying by the new wiki from debian.org (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) |
| 12:30.43 | skamster_ | but everything's ok now, but i must wait |
| 12:32.02 | skamster_ | so i see then if it works.. the installer is a little bit strange in my eyes.. |
| 12:32.25 | skamster_ | .jffs2 makes more sense.. but if it works, it's nice ;) |
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| 12:34.57 | lindi- | ndnihil: the developers really don't have time to hang around on IRC so they haven't probably even heard of your problem |
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| 12:35.25 | lindi- | ndnihil: IRC is a bad medium for bug reports |
| 12:36.07 | ndnihil | I was in a bit of a rush to turn it back into a functional phone and just didn't bother |
| 12:36.28 | ndnihil | I was using it for work |
| 12:36.45 | ndnihil | but they deactivated the sim and are sending me a CDMA brokeberry to replace it |
| 12:36.52 | ndnihil | should be here today in fact |
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| 12:41.04 | cgray | hi, if I want to pair with bluetooth from my computer, how do I set the pin of the freerunner? I'm using SHR... |
| 12:41.41 | ndnihil | btpass-simpleagentmod.py |
| 12:41.56 | ndnihil | er, disregard, I think I named it that |
| 12:42.20 | cgray | yeah, I found it |
| 12:42.48 | ndnihil | I went through a few before finding one that worked |
| 12:43.16 | cgray | this one: http://nihil.rchomepage.com/misc/moko/btpass-simpleagentmod.py ? |
| 12:43.33 | ndnihil | hah, yeah, that's my site |
| 12:43.52 | cgray | google is king :) |
| 12:45.29 | cgray | I can't really figure out how to use it though |
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| 12:46.18 | ndnihil | hrm, on the shr-u I'm running now it errors out |
| 12:46.44 | cgray | Ahh, I got it... |
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| 13:06.10 | skamster_ | lindi: i became just internal errors on debian-installation |
| 13:06.21 | skamster_ | but just at the end |
| 13:06.41 | skamster_ | before, the output is something like P: packagename |
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| 13:06.52 | skamster_ | but i don't know if p means problem |
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| 13:29.07 | ndnihil | anyone going to be in turin in mid-october? |
| 13:29.20 | ndnihil | Visit us dressed like James Bond* in a black smoking and win a Linux spy |
| 13:29.20 | ndnihil | cam kit. *(no guns allowed). Every visitor will get the smallest embedded |
| 13:29.20 | ndnihil | GPRS/UMTS antenna for free. |
| 13:29.40 | SpeedEvil | What about rocket launchers? |
| 13:29.55 | ndnihil | they dont specifically exclude them, so I'd say it's safe |
| 13:30.28 | ndnihil | http://www.itnexpo.it/eng/ |
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| 13:52.10 | ndnihil | http://www.roundsolutions.com/news/wireless-spycam.htm |
| 13:52.14 | ndnihil | looks like a neat gadget |
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| 13:53.16 | ndnihil | (it's the roundsolutions booth you have to visit dressed as 007) |
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| 14:03.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | gets a magnetron with surge generator stuffed into a siutcase, from Mr Q |
| 14:04.28 | skamster_ | could someone help me to install debian? |
| 14:04.33 | skamster_ | i use install.sh |
| 14:04.39 | skamster_ | and always became the error |
| 14:04.39 | skamster_ | P: Configuring package lsb-base |
| 14:04.40 | skamster_ | E: Internal error: install |
| 14:08.42 | skamster_ | ah, i see a problem.. apt-get isn't there after install that package |
| 14:08.45 | skamster_ | but why? |
| 14:09.22 | skamster_ | and is it possible to reinstall it in a easy way? |
| 14:09.22 | ndnihil | missing a chroot? |
| 14:10.04 | ndnihil | I haven't seen an "easy" way |
| 14:10.06 | ndnihil | yet |
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| 14:11.57 | skamster_ | mmh, i do that |
| 14:12.06 | skamster_ | i've got dpkg to use |
| 14:12.14 | skamster_ | but i need a apt-get-package |
| 14:12.35 | skamster_ | then i could make wget and install it with dpkg |
| 14:12.51 | skamster_ | but where i found apt-get as .deb-package? |
| 14:13.22 | ndnihil | same repo you're using for everything else I'd imagine |
| 14:15.30 | skamster_ | i search in the repo |
| 14:15.36 | skamster_ | http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/ |
| 14:15.42 | skamster_ | but i didn't found it |
| 14:16.43 | ndnihil | # dpkg -S `which apt-get` |
| 14:16.43 | ndnihil | apt: /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 14:16.57 | ndnihil | apt package should have it |
| 14:16.57 | apt | ACTION puts should have it in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet |
| 14:17.16 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 14:17.41 | ndnihil | brb |
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| 14:41.38 | skamster_ | yes, i've got it |
| 14:41.46 | skamster_ | now i must restore the lists |
| 14:42.00 | skamster_ | so could someone tell me, how i must wrote that? |
| 14:42.13 | skamster_ | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian main |
| 14:42.13 | skamster_ | ? |
| 14:42.53 | skamster_ | or what else also? |
| 14:43.47 | ndnihil | need to specify dist |
| 14:43.58 | ndnihil | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 14:44.00 | ndnihil | like that |
| 14:44.21 | ndnihil | deb <repo> <dist> <section0> <section1> <etc...> |
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| 14:45.05 | skamster_ | ok, thx.. but damn, what's wrong with this system? |
| 14:45.14 | skamster_ | root@om-gta02 ~ $ chroot /mnt/debian apt-get update |
| 14:45.14 | skamster_ | Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg |
| 14:45.14 | skamster_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.35 | skamster_ | shr had always web-connection, but the chrootet part not? |
| 14:45.44 | skamster_ | what's my failure? |
| 14:46.16 | ndnihil | no configured resolv.conf in your chroot'd dir |
| 14:52.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | chroot is rather tricky |
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| 15:15.05 | skamster_ | ndnihil: is it realy a sarge-distro? |
| 15:15.08 | skamster_ | not a lenny? |
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| 15:15.47 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:15.48 | ndnihil | heh |
| 15:15.50 | ndnihil | sarge is old |
| 15:15.52 | ndnihil | deprecated |
| 15:15.55 | ndnihil | and no longer supported |
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| 15:16.43 | ndnihil | not sure what dist is used for the current FR |
| 15:16.46 | skamster_ | because of deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 15:16.47 | ndnihil | unstable I think |
| 15:16.47 | skamster_ | ;) |
| 15:17.06 | ndnihil | that was just an example, not a verbatim instruction |
| 15:18.53 | skamster_ | uff.. if i finish my damn installation, i make a .tar.gz and load it on my server.. |
| 15:19.52 | skamster_ | but now it seems to work :) |
| 15:20.03 | skamster_ | thx ndnihil :) |
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| 15:20.51 | ndnihil | no problem, glad you got it sorted |
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| 15:21.43 | ndnihil | hrm, new berry just showed up |
| 15:24.31 | ndnihil | fucking rim |
| 15:24.34 | ndnihil | what jackasses |
| 15:24.43 | ndnihil | they switched usb ports |
| 15:25.12 | ndnihil | instead of mini-b or whatever the common one is (same on the FR), it's some flat half moon looking thing |
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| 15:28.15 | ndnihil | and there's a sticker/tag on the headphone cables |
| 15:28.32 | ndnihil | the -only- thing it has on it, is an icon that states "dont throw this tag away" |
| 15:28.37 | ndnihil | shakes his head |
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| 15:47.21 | TobiX | ndnihil: None of those? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Types-usb_new.svg |
| 15:47.55 | ndnihil | looks kinda like the micro-b, but more rounded |
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| 15:48.47 | TobiX | "As of January 30, 2009 Micro-USB has been accepted by almost all cell phone manufacturers as the standard charging port (including Apple, Motorola, Nokia, LG, RIM, Samsung, Sony Ericsson) in the EU and most of the world." - Hmm... |
| 15:48.48 | ndnihil | actually no, looking at it in some light, it's a micro-b |
| 15:49.02 | ndnihil | there was nothing wrong with mini-b |
| 15:49.18 | ndnihil | in fact I'd say mini-b is more fault tolerant due to larger pad/contact size |
| 15:50.21 | TobiX | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Mini_and_Micro goes into length about the difference but has a "citation needed" on exactly the statement about durability ;) |
| 15:50.55 | SpeedEvil | easy enough to do |
| 15:51.05 | SpeedEvil | digikey catalog for parts |
| 15:51.08 | ndnihil | yup |
| 15:51.08 | SpeedEvil | mating cycles |
| 15:51.13 | ndnihil | dremel the case |
| 15:51.22 | ndnihil | mini-b conversion :) |
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| 16:15.48 | linuxxr | so is kde as fast as xfce on debian? |
| 16:16.10 | linuxxr | openmoko install |
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| 16:25.09 | panicking | PaulFertser, |
| 16:25.10 | panicking | Hi |
| 16:25.22 | panicking | I find another method to inport contact from the simcard |
| 16:25.59 | PaulFertser | panicking: hey :) |
| 16:26.16 | panicking | I big work with the gsm documentation |
| 16:26.17 | panicking | :D |
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| 16:27.57 | Fox_Muldr | linuxxr: don't try to use kde on openmoko. it is unusable slow and needs way too much memory |
| 16:27.58 | PaulFertser | panicking: heh, what's better about this method comparing to the one FSO uses? |
| 16:28.21 | panicking | It's compatible with the android framework and with the ofono framework I think |
| 16:29.14 | panicking | I think that the best thingi is to discuss with mickey_away when he is online |
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| 16:29.59 | panicking | I use sim raw function |
| 16:30.03 | panicking | to read the data from the sim |
| 16:30.58 | PaulFertser | panicking: yes, but how is it better? Does it give more information or is the format simpler? I'm just trying to understand coolness of your discovery :) |
| 16:32.17 | panicking | Well I try to explain. In android and ofono there is a common method to read some info from the |
| 16:32.29 | panicking | simcard using AT+CRSM access function |
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| 16:33.16 | panicking | but the AT+CRSM function are not implemented in the calypso |
| 16:33.22 | panicking | or maybe They don't work |
| 16:33.34 | panicking | so I must use a AT+CSIM function |
| 16:33.40 | panicking | to import contact and sms |
| 16:35.23 | panicking | So I don't change the high level |
| 16:35.23 | panicking | of the framework |
| 16:35.24 | panicking | but map the AT+CRSM in AT+CSIM access |
| 16:35.24 | panicking | at low level |
| 16:35.24 | PaulFertser | panicking: aha, now i get it. |
| 16:35.58 | PaulFertser | panicking: sorry for sounding a bit too sceptical but i'm not quite sure that design decisions of android and ofono are flawless. |
| 16:38.01 | panicking | It's not a problem, I have an issue on the project and try to fix. If you have some bug on fso |
| 16:38.11 | panicking | I can try to do somenthing on the fso too |
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| 16:46.23 | panicking | PaulFertser, I have some knowlloge about android framework |
| 16:46.29 | panicking | I need to study for fso |
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| 16:53.44 | PaulFertser | panicking: i understand. |
| 16:55.46 | PaulFertser | panicking: are you getting paid for you android work btw? (i understand it's not very polite to ask so feel free to ignore the question). |
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| 16:57.11 | panicking | :) no :) I hope in the feauture, but all the work I do is only for free |
| 16:57.13 | panicking | :D |
| 16:57.59 | panicking | When somenthing post "thank you" on your blog it's very nice |
| 16:58.10 | panicking | and I'm happy |
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| 17:00.16 | PaulFertser | panicking: Oh. I still find it's amusing someone likes to spend his free time on android ;) |
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| 17:41.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wonders how framework is accessing sim contacts when standard AT method allegedly doesn't work o.O |
| 17:42.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | also *if* it doesn't work that's a *major* bug in calypso FW and would need a fix |
| 17:43.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | as the access to sim contacts via standard AT methos is mandatory according to 07.07 I guess |
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| 17:43.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | whereas at+csim probably is rather proprietary and maybe depending on particular sim |
| 17:49.30 | panicking | at+crsm |
| 17:49.37 | panicking | is the standard method to access the sim |
| 17:49.45 | panicking | but in the calypso doens't wokr |
| 17:50.08 | panicking | so I access the sim with the AT+CSIM |
| 17:50.15 | panicking | that can access the a0 |
| 17:50.16 | panicking | file |
| 17:52.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wonders if AT+CSIM even worked at all in FW prior MOKO10 |
| 17:52.53 | panicking | Yes I know |
| 17:53.01 | panicking | but It works |
| 17:53.06 | panicking | on a0 access |
| 17:53.08 | panicking | I test it |
| 17:53.15 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and I bet frameworkd isn't using at+csim, yet can access SIM contacts |
| 17:53.18 | panicking | on MOKO11 |
| 17:53.35 | panicking | No it using a specific at command |
| 17:53.39 | panicking | to read the contact |
| 17:54.13 | panicking | DocScrutinizer-8, sorry but what is your real name? |
| 17:54.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~docscrutinizer |
| 17:54.33 | apt | methinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 17:54.42 | panicking | AH ok |
| 17:55.05 | panicking | So basically |
| 17:55.06 | ndnihil | ~ndnihil |
| 17:55.12 | panicking | the proplem is to access the fileid |
| 17:55.18 | panicking | using AT+CRSM command |
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| 17:55.25 | panicking | that I thing it is bogus |
| 17:55.30 | panicking | or partially implemented |
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| 17:55.37 | panicking | I don't have the gsm firmware |
| 17:55.50 | panicking | but I find how to implement it using CSIM access |
| 17:55.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~ndnihil is a dumb ass ;-) |
| 17:55.55 | apt | DocScrutinizer-8: okay |
| 17:56.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~ndnihil |
| 17:56.09 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, ndnihil is a dumb ass ;-) |
| 17:56.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~forget ndnihil |
| 17:56.31 | apt | i didn't have anything called 'ndnihil ' to forget, DocScrutinizer-8 |
| 17:56.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~forget ndnihil |
| 17:56.42 | apt | i didn't have anything called 'ndnihil ' to forget, DocScrutinizer-8 |
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| 17:57.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | tzz |
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| 17:57.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~ndnihil |
| 17:57.24 | apt | well, ndnihil is a dumb ass ;-) |
| 17:57.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wtf?? |
| 17:58.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ~forget ndnihil |
| 17:58.02 | apt | DocScrutinizer-8: i forgot ndnihil |
| 17:58.30 | azaghal | ~balmer |
| 17:58.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | duh, trailing spaces o.O |
| 17:58.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | incredible |
| 17:59.09 | Stroller | dumb ass! |
| 17:59.11 | Stroller | :P |
| 17:59.17 | azaghal | Stroller: lol |
| 17:59.41 | Stroller | Thank you folks, I'll be here all night! Don't forget to tip your waitress |
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| 18:03.55 | panicking | DocScrutinizer, do you have the source of the firmware |
| 18:03.56 | panicking | ? |
| 18:04.15 | PaulFertser | panicking: Dieter does |
| 18:04.24 | PaulFertser | panicking: Doc has access too. |
| 18:04.43 | PaulFertser | panicking: but only a small part of it, AT command interpreter basically. |
| 18:04.58 | PaulFertser | panicking: full sources are only accessible by TI. |
| 18:05.02 | panicking | I think that the best thing is work on firmware to fix the AT+CRSM restricted access |
| 18:05.09 | panicking | to the SIM |
| 18:05.25 | panicking | Another big problem is the AT%SLEEP=4 |
| 18:05.29 | panicking | Can I work on it |
| 18:05.30 | panicking | ? |
| 18:05.56 | PaulFertser | panicking: what advantages does it have comparing to the methods used by other software? Is it worth trying to fix CRSM at all when there're dedicated commands to read contacts and messages? |
| 18:06.04 | PaulFertser | panicking: what's wrong with SLEEP=4? |
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| 18:06.15 | Stroller | Blimey, these µSD cards are small! |
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| 18:07.14 | panicking | AT%SLEEP=4 has problem with network re-registration BUG |
| 18:07.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: amazing, isn't it? :-) |
| 18:07.21 | panicking | or it is closed in the moko11 |
| 18:07.21 | panicking | ? |
| 18:07.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | panicking: please read ML |
| 18:07.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | archives |
| 18:08.16 | Stroller | bemoans his first hard-drive, uphill in the snow |
| 18:08.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: hehe, 32MB, RLL? |
| 18:09.27 | PaulFertser | panicking: read the very end of #1024 ticket at om trac. |
| 18:09.46 | panicking | ok thanks |
| 18:10.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | thinks panicking is doing a huge "reinvent the wheel" effort, due to missing info caused by RTFM-syndrome |
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| 18:11.37 | panicking | PaulFertser, the ticket talk about change a capacity. |
| 18:12.00 | panicking | DocScrutinizer, I don't want to reinvent the wheel but give the possibily to the user to use |
| 18:12.03 | panicking | the gta02 |
| 18:12.03 | PaulFertser | panicking: yes, the only working solution out there. |
| 18:12.13 | panicking | with android |
| 18:13.17 | PaulFertser | panicking: #1024 was caused by an "obvious" layout mistake. Dieter tried damn hard to solve it in software btw. |
| 18:13.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | panicking: the strange thing is: users *can* use GTA02 -- with SHR e.g. |
| 18:14.08 | panicking | DocScrutinizer, but they can use android too |
| 18:14.17 | panicking | what is the problem with the android framework? |
| 18:14.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | panicking: so obviously trying to "fix" things like sim-contacts access for whatever distro is clearly reinventing solutions that already are existent |
| 18:15.29 | panicking | But if you have a framework that expect some result from a command you must provide |
| 18:15.42 | panicking | the same info to the uplevel, so you must hack the code and fix the issue. |
| 18:15.55 | panicking | There is a calypso firmware problem |
| 18:16.03 | PaulFertser | panicking: #1024 has an acceptable software workaround. And as to CRSM i just don't see why you think it's really mandatory. |
| 18:16.29 | panicking | Android framework access the contact list |
| 18:16.51 | panicking | using AT+CRSM command so It expect the same error code |
| 18:16.54 | panicking | the same data format |
| 18:17.06 | PaulFertser | panicking: well, it's easier to tweak android than to implement a new command in firmware. |
| 18:17.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | takes an off-time :-S |
| 18:17.24 | PaulFertser | panicking: also are you really sure that it's mandatory according to the standard? |
| 18:18.15 | panicking | Well I'm not an expert maybe mickey_away or DocScrutinizer-8 has an answer |
| 18:18.41 | panicking | I think that ofone and android |
| 18:18.51 | panicking | use at+crsm command to access the sim |
| 18:18.53 | panicking | memory |
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| 18:22.51 | PaulFertser | panicking: why don't you just download the standard and see for youself? http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/07_series/07.07/0707-780.zip ! |
| 18:23.12 | PaulFertser | If my eyes don't lie to me (and catdoc works properly) both CSIM and CRSM are _Optional_ |
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| 18:24.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | for csim you bet it is |
| 18:26.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | but hey. Android is doing it that (wrong) way, even windoof does it that (stupid) way. Seems we missed a defacto standard |
| 18:28.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | shame on Dr. Mickey Lauer for he didn't open a ticket on that back when he noticed we can only do it the STANDARD way, not the ""right"" way |
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| 18:30.53 | panicking | DocScrutinizer-8, I don't understand if it's a problem to have an other distribuition running on the gta02 |
| 18:31.06 | panicking | How many mobile use the the shr? |
| 18:31.39 | PaulFertser | panicking: do not you understand what he's saying? |
| 18:31.48 | PaulFertser | panicking: he says you want to have _optional_ commands for no good reason. |
| 18:31.56 | PaulFertser | panicking: that's not about having different distros at all. |
| 18:32.11 | panicking | Yes I undestand, but I dont' know why the android framwowrk |
| 18:32.17 | panicking | is design around an optional command |
| 18:32.23 | PaulFertser | panicking: so don't we |
| 18:32.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | panicking: in FSO a modem abstraction is caring about hw platform idiosyncrasies. We don't care about AT+CSRM |
| 18:32.53 | radekp1 | panicking: probably because it worked on the HTC Dream phone :) |
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| 18:33.54 | Stroller | I take it one can do NFS mounts just fine in SHR? |
| 18:34.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: SHR is linux |
| 18:34.39 | radekp1 | but since android sources are out there, it should be possible to make it working with CSIM AT commands (and the Koolu version could read contacts at least for me) |
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| 18:35.33 | Stroller | DocScrutinizer-8: it would have been fewer letters to type "yes", if that's what you mean |
| 18:35.34 | Stroller | :P |
| 18:36.02 | Stroller | IIRC NFS needs a kernel module & helper utilities |
| 18:36.06 | lindi- | radekp1: android sources? |
| 18:37.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: afaik those are in andy-tracking since beginning. So all decent FR distros should know how to NFS |
| 18:37.31 | radekp1 | lindi-: yes, i was building every single bit of my android from sources |
| 18:37.52 | Stroller | DocScrutinizer-8: TY |
| 18:37.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: or simply: yes |
| 18:38.14 | lindi- | radekp1: but is that the same source that is used on the android phones that are sold? |
| 18:39.14 | panicking | Yes, the cupcake version is the same |
| 18:39.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: yet NFS is rather cumbersome, esp when network goes down and thus operations on NFS file handles stall forever |
| 18:39.25 | panicking | but there are a lot of changes that are inside google and some closed part |
| 18:39.38 | lindi- | panicking: cupcake version? |
| 18:40.10 | panicking | cupcake branc |
| 18:40.15 | panicking | branch of android |
| 18:40.24 | radekp1 | lindi-: mostly yes - sold phones have some closed source apps preinstalled, and their modem interface maybe closed (i dont know), but the one for Freerunner is opensource |
| 18:43.32 | Stroller | DocScrutinizer-8: yeah, but I don't plan to use it often; I might just need it this once |
| 18:43.41 | Stroller | Is there any way to adjust screen sensitivity in SHR or for SHR's keyboard? |
| 18:44.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: "less /etc/fstab" |
| 18:44.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: iirc there even is a NFS entry |
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| 18:45.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yup |
| 18:46.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | marked #nfs-host |
| 18:46.34 | panicking | PaulFertser, where can I find the open ticket of the fso distrib that are very critical? |
| 18:47.02 | PaulFertser | panicking: http://trac.freesmartphone.org |
| 18:47.10 | PaulFertser | panicking: there's no FSO distribution btw. |
| 18:47.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | panicking: trac.freesmartphone.org ? |
| 18:47.38 | panicking | sorry shr |
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| 18:55.06 | Stroller | Sorry for all the questions, guys.... |
| 18:55.21 | Stroller | I can't find the pipe | character on the SHR keyboard? |
| 18:57.18 | Heinervdm | Stroller: shift + the key on top of Return |
| 18:57.48 | Stroller | Thanks, Heinervdm. I must be completely blind |
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| 19:15.28 | PaulFertser | Fuck :( those "cool" stm32 primer2 "evaluation boards" have rlink programmer integrated which means not only one can not use OpenOCD (mostly due to OpenOCD issues with SWD) but also that one can't debug more than 32k of code because it's rlink-std and not rlink-pro. Fuck, i'm almost ready to hate those assholes who do that kind of shit to us :-/ |
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| 19:21.19 | panicking | DocScrutinizer, is there a commercial mobile that use the fso framework? |
| 19:22.19 | PaulFertser | panicking: most probably no |
| 19:22.54 | PaulFertser | panicking: unless you count as a commercial mobile some very niche products produced in very low quantities based on gta02. |
| 19:22.58 | Stroller | Ok... this µSD card gives a bunch of errors when I put it in a reader & plug it into my desktop Linux box. I should be able to read it with `cfdisk /dev/mmcblk0` in the Freerunner, right? I get a can't read error. |
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| 19:23.30 | panicking | yes of course |
| 19:23.33 | Stroller | I was wondering if it was the USB reader causing the problem in the desktop |
| 19:23.39 | panicking | the idea of the gta02 is great |
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| 20:06.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: IO-errors on uSD cards are really common, seems ~5% of uSD sold are deffective |
| 20:06.32 | Blastur | uSD? |
| 20:06.50 | Blastur | oh, microSD.. |
| 20:06.56 | Stroller | TY, DocScrutinizer-8 |
| 20:07.17 | Stroller | I can't see that I put it in the Freerunner the wrong way around, or anything |
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| 20:07.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Stroller: try with another uSD |
| 20:08.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | check syslog (logread, dmsg...) |
| 20:08.55 | Stroller | I'll buy one tomorrow |
| 20:09.18 | Stroller | DocScrutinizer-8: yeah, I'll do that. The terminal is just so fiddly |
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| 21:26.48 | Daramarak | Anyone know if this is a good day to upgrade shr-unstable at? |
| 21:27.06 | ndnihil | shakes the magic eight ball |
| 21:27.17 | ndnihil | "it is uncertain" |
| 21:28.05 | Daramarak | hmmmm... better wait until the eight ball has some better news. I am very happy with my FR just now. |
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| 21:28.44 | Heinervdm | Daramarak: there was no update in the last 2 weeks |
| 21:29.53 | Daramarak | Heinervdm: huh, nothing new? That is sure unusual. Then I might be up to date after all. |
| 21:31.36 | Heinervdm | Daramarak: with the last sync of the feed there was en error with libfso-gilb, if you had that message on upgrade your up to date ;) |
| 21:32.16 | Heinervdm | New packages will come after all buildproblems with new efl are resolved |
| 21:32.29 | Daramarak | Heinervdm: I had that one yes. |
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| 22:02.33 | Alpha6 | so, I take it there isn't a port of Ruby for OM? |
| 22:03.00 | max_posedon_ | Alpha6, ruby exists for example in shr-U feeds |
| 22:03.12 | max_posedon | I usually use irb as calc |
| 22:04.32 | Alpha6 | Ah, I'm running shr-U. I couldn't find it by running: opkg list |grep -i ruby |
| 22:05.40 | max_posedon | plz do opkg update, and retry |
| 22:06.25 | Alpha6 | Thanks, Max, I'm doing that. |
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| 22:14.04 | Alpha6 | Hmmm still not finding a ruby package. I think I'll try reflashing with a newer image. Thanks for the help, tho. |
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