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03:19.37 | shaz | Hello |
03:19.55 | shaz | need some guidance on checking out a specific kernel |
03:20.15 | shaz | not well versed with git |
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04:11.17 | shaz | Anybody available to guide me please |
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04:18.19 | shaz | :( |
04:18.31 | tae | hi i read about a buzz hardware issue on the openmoko phone and was wondering how do i find out which version i have? (a5 a6 etc) |
04:18.54 | tae | is this bug on all the versions? |
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06:05.23 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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06:29.40 | linuxxr | is it monday yet? |
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08:35.06 | Q-Master | Hi All! |
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12:07.02 | mihairu | hi guys, what i need to install to compile on openmoko on om2009? i need cmake :/ |
12:07.46 | max_posedon | I think you need cmake, gcc, may be g++ |
12:09.37 | mihairu | max_posedon: but how can i install it? cmake isnt on repository |
12:10.55 | max_posedon | you should compile it with OE |
12:11.11 | mihairu | oe? |
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12:14.14 | max_posedon | OpenEmbedded |
12:14.26 | max_posedon | it short, 1. it isn't easy |
12:14.36 | max_posedon | 2. I don't suggest compile anything on neo |
12:18.10 | mihairu | max_posedon: ok...i'll take a look on it |
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12:18.44 | PaulFertser | mihairu: why don't you compile cmake on FR itself? |
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12:19.10 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i'd suggest compiling on FR ;) |
12:19.20 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: it's much easier for small programs.h |
12:19.39 | max_posedon | slackware?! no-go for me |
12:20.06 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: for testing purpuses it's ok |
12:20.58 | max_posedon | for testing - yes. |
12:21.11 | mihairu | PaulFertser: i don't know how :) |
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12:23.50 | PaulFertser | mihairu: what's the difference? FR is just a gnu/linux computer, do the same as on any pc. |
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12:30.26 | SpeedEvil | FR is a screaming fast server - of a decade ago. |
12:30.32 | SpeedEvil | It's not actually that slow. |
12:32.29 | PaulFertser | If one isn't trying to do floating point on it. |
12:32.50 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
12:33.02 | PaulFertser | Also probably SD performance suck comparing to the HDD of those servers. |
12:33.06 | SpeedEvil | True |
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12:33.20 | Etu | Hmm, I cannot connect to my FR from my computer |
12:33.23 | PaulFertser | (given the slow glamo bus especially) |
12:33.24 | Etu | Im running SHR |
12:33.47 | Etu | http://pastebin.com/d3d4740de |
12:34.03 | PaulFertser | Etu: read dmesg |
12:34.48 | Etu | http://pastebin.com/d1f249ac8 |
12:35.13 | PaulFertser | Etu: obviously |
12:35.59 | Etu | Ah, I see |
12:36.03 | Etu | It's eth1 |
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12:38.50 | mihairu | witch configure cmake Cannot find appropriate C compiler on this system. |
12:39.04 | mihairu | g++ and gcc i have installed |
12:39.53 | PaulFertser | mihairu: read config.log |
12:43.57 | max_posedon | mihairu, gcc, g++, gcc-symlinks, g++-symlinks installed? |
12:46.01 | mihairu | max_posedon: yeah, i installed it |
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12:50.00 | mihairu | in log is this when it tries gcc: cmake_bootstrap_2181.test.c:5:18: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
12:51.01 | PaulFertser | mihairu: install libc-dev |
12:51.19 | PaulFertser | or glibc-dev, i don't know how it's called in OE. |
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13:01.49 | mihairu | libc-dev nor glibc-dev is not in repositories |
13:02.13 | mihairu | only glibc-dbg and doc |
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13:35.52 | mihairu | oh ive got it...but now log says: gcc: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory |
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13:50.48 | methril|work | "good morning" |
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14:05.32 | Digital_Pioneer | How would one best go about writing elementary apps for the FR? I would think you would get elementary on your normal computer, write the app, then cross-compile for FR, but I can't get elementary to build on my laptop so I wonder if there's another way... :P |
14:11.29 | max_posedon | Digital_Pioneer, what about install e17-dev packages for your disto |
14:11.34 | max_posedon | and just start developing? |
14:12.25 | mihairu | nobody knows where i can grab 'as' program? :/ |
14:14.27 | max_posedon | mihairu, usually its from binutils |
14:15.11 | max_posedon | mihairu, just opkg install binutils binutils-symlinks |
14:15.22 | mihairu | max_posedon: thx :) i searching it, googling it, nothing...thx |
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14:21.39 | mihairu | grr now error with CXX :D |
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14:30.33 | max_posedon | mihairu, are you sure that you have g++ and g++-symlinks? |
14:31.59 | mihairu | max_posedon: I am...error is: cmake_bootstrap_3034.test.cxx:2:21: error: iostream: No such file or directory...what library I missed? |
14:32.30 | max_posedon | libstdc++-dev |
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14:32.59 | mihairu | max_posedon: great :) |
14:33.08 | mihairu | max_posedon: sry for dumb questions |
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14:45.10 | mihairu | max_posedon: and i hope last question, 'make' is in which package? |
14:46.19 | max_posedon | mihairu, guess) |
14:47.43 | mihairu | max_posedon: i don't know...make package doesn't exists :D |
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14:48.12 | max_posedon | really? |
14:48.20 | max_posedon | because for me it exists |
14:48.33 | max_posedon | opkg install make Installing make (3.81-r0) to root... |
14:49.46 | mihairu | <PROTECTED> |
14:50.29 | max_posedon | I use shr-unstable |
14:54.11 | mihairu | max_posedon: thx now it works :) |
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15:55.05 | PBeck | hi |
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17:02.06 | linuxxr | shr-release? |
17:02.32 | linuxxr | u guys need a knife? |
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18:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what dehqan is doing right now o.O |
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19:30.35 | Zorkman | raster: I have my own dictionary; but after a reboot I always have to select a dictionary to be used (clicking upperleft of the keyboard), is there a way to use one by default? |
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20:30.20 | jonquark | I'm struggling with Navit. Is anyone able to enter a route using the "internal" gui? I can't work out how to tell it what country I'm in |
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20:51.02 | henkie_ | how come the gps time is sometimes 15 seconds or so off? |
20:51.37 | henkie_ | i understand if it cant find the time, but being that much off seems strange to me |
20:52.11 | mmontour | Maybe a firmware bug calculating the offset between "GPS time" and UTC (due to leap seconds) |
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20:53.13 | henkie_ | would that explain why it sometimes takes a long time to get a fix? |
20:53.22 | henkie_ | (when being outside) |
20:55.34 | mmontour | I wouldn't expect there to be a connection, but I don't know anything about the internal algorithms in the GPS firmware |
20:56.01 | lindi- | henkie_: please run iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/compare-clock-sources.pl |
21:00.02 | henkie_ | lindi-, which perl packages do i need? |
21:00.45 | lindi- | henkie_: those that have HiRes.pm and Local.pm |
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22:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | henkie_: SHR e.g. shows local time until GPS gets a fix. So if your RTC/systime is 15sec off, you would see this 15sec off time until it's adjusted by GPS fix |
22:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | this is probably a flaw created by shr-settings-gps showing the time that's actually present in GPS chipset - irespective of any flag indicating it got a fix - while agps is storing systime to gps chipset on power-up to speed up the TTF |
22:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | henkie_: mmontour's explanation also might apply for a short time (though we have only 12 leapsec afaik) |
22:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | short time here means max 1min |
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22:48.36 | agg1n|freerunner | does anyone here tried out to use an external usb wlan antenna with a freerunner? |
22:48.57 | PaulFertser | agg1n|freerunner: usb wlan antenna? |
22:49.10 | PaulFertser | agg1n|freerunner: wtf? |
22:51.38 | lindi- | wtf indeed :) |
22:54.02 | lindi- | PaulFertser: just tested cpufreq patches btw. they seem to work, i wonder why they haven't got the deserved attention |
22:54.25 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what about power consumption benefits? |
22:55.07 | PaulFertser | lindi-: you mean the latest patches by Rask? They look cool. Is that latest patch still supports only 100 and 400 MHz for main SoC clock? |
22:55.09 | lindi- | PaulFertser: ~30 mA: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-June/010248.html |
22:55.16 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yes, those |
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22:56.28 | PaulFertser | lindi-: really nice and important! |
22:57.24 | PaulFertser | lindi-: one more question: does xset s blank really call FBIOBLANK ioctl? Can you see anything on the display or is it really turned off during that time? |
22:57.28 | agg1n|freerunner | i dont know how to call it correctly :/ i mean those usb wifi adapters |
22:57.42 | lindi- | PaulFertser: bl_power == 0 at least |
22:58.07 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no doubt, but what about lcm itself? Do you have a werner's pmu utility? |
22:58.19 | lindi- | searches svn |
22:58.37 | PaulFertser | agg1n|freerunner: if such an adapter works with your GNU/linux pc/laptop, it will most probably work with FR too. |
22:58.54 | lindi- | now I do |
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23:00.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser: ok so I need to lookup the PMU register to read? |
23:00.50 | agg1n|freerunner | PaulFertser: ok, thx, thats all i wanted to know :) |
23:01.10 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no, i'd just enable backlight directly and look at the screen. |
23:01.15 | PaulFertser | lindi-: pmu 28=50 |
23:01.18 | PaulFertser | lindi-: pmu 29=1 |
23:01.41 | PaulFertser | lindi-: This will enable backlight not touching anything else so you'll see if LCM is actually running. |
23:02.11 | lindi- | PaulFertser: I see screen contents after 29=1 |
23:02.51 | PaulFertser | lindi-: that's because 28 is set to 2 already, it shouldn't be set to 0 or else one will need to fully disable backlight and enable it again. |
23:03.03 | PaulFertser | lindi-: (though probably it's ok kernel refrains from doing that) |
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23:03.25 | PaulFertser | lindi-: so it'd be interesting to know how much can you save by turning off lcm too. |
23:03.53 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i need to write some app to throw that ioctl? |
23:04.27 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hm, i think you can just do $ python |
23:04.29 | lindi- | PaulFertser: (is pmu 29=0, pmu 28=2 the way to undo what I just did?) |
23:04.32 | PaulFertser | framebuffer = open( "/dev/fb0" ) |
23:04.41 | PaulFertser | lindi-: (yes, it is) |
23:04.53 | PaulFertser | import fcntl |
23:05.29 | PaulFertser | fcntl.ioctl( framebuffer, 0x4611, 4 ) |
23:06.32 | PaulFertser | lindi-: btw, now that you're after those freq scaling patches i believe they'll receive the stability testing they deserve and i think nobody will object to merging them after that. :) |
23:07.37 | PaulFertser | lindi-: 4 is to blank, 0 is to unblank, i just checked on my device |
23:08.15 | lindi- | measuring... |
23:08.48 | PaulFertser | lindi-: btw, blanking forces backlight off but xset s blank doesn't seem to force blanking. |
23:09.23 | lindi- | PaulFertser: "blanking" as in FBIOBLANK? |
23:09.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser: hmm, I can't believe my readings. consumption just dropped to 55 mA |
23:10.18 | lindi- | (i'll rerun the test) |
23:11.28 | lindi- | yeah, 55 mA :) |
23:11.34 | PaulFertser | lindi-: for real? |
23:11.42 | PaulFertser | lindi-: running system just 55mA? |
23:11.44 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yep |
23:11.50 | lindi- | if I can trust current_now |
23:11.51 | PaulFertser | 100MHz? |
23:11.54 | lindi- | yep |
23:12.08 | PaulFertser | Do you mean glamo LCM consumes 50mA |
23:12.22 | lindi- | i have some wifi stuff here too |
23:12.31 | lindi- | it makes comparison bit hard |
23:12.52 | lindi- | (if the phone is printing results over wifi it affects the results.) |
23:13.19 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what about using usb cable and force usb curlim to 0? |
23:13.38 | lindi- | PaulFertser: the effect of FBIOBLANK seems to be 104 mA -> 89 mA |
23:13.58 | lindi- | not printing one line per second over wifi drops it to that 55 mA |
23:14.08 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it is still a considerable saving, more than a potential benefit of fixing #1024. |
23:14.14 | lindi- | yep |
23:14.28 | lindi- | PaulFertser: so xserver-xorg-video-fbdev should throw that ioctl? |
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23:14.47 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no idea, sorry |
23:15.06 | PaulFertser | lindi-: currently, framework's odeviced can do that (and i think it does). |
23:16.04 | lindi- | does apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-fbdev |
23:16.39 | PaulFertser | Yep, on my system frameworkd issues the ioctl, it's enabled by default. |
23:16.48 | lindi- | PaulFertser: btw, I did not know about that "force usblim to 0" trick, thanks a million! |
23:16.58 | PaulFertser | lindi-: but shouldn't video-glamo driver do the same? |
23:17.08 | PaulFertser | lindi-: (trick) does it work? |
23:17.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser: probably, i'm trying to make xserver-xorg-video-fbdev a stable fallback while xserver-xorg-video-glamo undergoes major KMS rewrite |
23:17.54 | PaulFertser | lindi-: as i don't know pmu operation in details, it is just a guess that it should be possible. |
23:18.34 | lindi- | i'll see in 20 seconds |
23:19.05 | PaulFertser | lindi-: if the trick doesn't work i think i can come up with a dirty "pmu ??=??" solution. |
23:19.28 | max_posedon | 55mA with not suspended neo?! |
23:19.33 | lindi- | PaulFertser: works! |
23:19.43 | lindi- | this will make my tests a lot easier |
23:19.46 | max_posedon | 3rd time re-reading backlog |
23:19.46 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i can't believe it too, but as lindi- says it, he can't be wrong. |
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23:19.54 | lindi- | I can be wrong :) |
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23:20.12 | lindi- | just try the cpufreq patches to verify the results |
23:20.21 | max_posedon | I can belive that its theoretically possible |
23:20.24 | PaulFertser | lindi-: but you can't be wrong for too long as you always do enough tests to get a statistically correct value, afaict :) |
23:21.04 | max_posedon | 21h not suspended neo... my mind... |
23:21.26 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: you're dreaming, it's 2:20 already for you, i guess. |
23:21.36 | lindi- | PaulFertser: I was writing 500 to a non-existent file for three months when force_usb_limit_dangerous got renamed |
23:21.55 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, yep, could be). |
23:22.07 | lindi- | max_posedon: note, without gsm, with wifi |
23:22.09 | PaulFertser | lindi-: another argument to the point that every operation's return code should be checked ;) |
23:22.47 | lindi- | PaulFertser: well it wrote an error message to .xsession-errors but glamo had spammed that too much |
23:22.49 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i think gsm with deep sleep adds about 4mA minimal and no more than 10mA on average? |
23:22.53 | max_posedon | usually I want gsm, and dont want wifi |
23:23.00 | lindi- | max_posedon: i can test gsm too |
23:23.08 | PaulFertser | lindi-: with deep sleep? |
23:23.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser: deep sleep recamps here all the time |
23:24.04 | PaulFertser | lindi-: why haven't you fixed it yet? ;) |
23:24.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i'm waiting for debconf |
23:24.30 | PaulFertser | lindi-: ah, ok, have a good time there :) |
23:25.14 | lindi- | PaulFertser: thanks |
23:25.38 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it'd be nice if you posted your measurements with gsm on, wlan off, LCM blanked to the ML, probably it'll boost interest in Rask's patches. |
23:25.54 | PaulFertser | lindi-: and of course any stress-testing of those is much appreciated. |
23:26.28 | lindi- | it takes a long time to start frameworkd when cpu is running at 100 MHz :-) |
23:26.56 | PaulFertser | lindi-: you can switch it on the fly, can't you? Start it with 400MHz, then switch to 100. |
23:28.20 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it looks like with that stuff gta02 will be able to live in idle mode as long as gta01 can in suspend ;) (though i very much hope the latter will be fixed soon, at least i know some guys who have motivation to do a bit of testing and hardware hacking and i'm ready to assist with the kernel). |
23:30.46 | PaulFertser | lindi-: and given we hope that we won't need python for the core functionality soon (like before NY), startup time will be less of a problem. |
23:33.56 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yep we need some sort of automatic control for the freq |
23:34.25 | PaulFertser | lindi-: if the transition time is not prohibitively long |
23:35.11 | PaulFertser | lindi-: there's ondemand gouvernoeur (let french write their words correctly, i don't care) |
23:37.11 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yep but i understood from Rask that it doesn't work at the moment for some unknown reason |
23:37.54 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no, he posted a followup. |
23:38.00 | lindi- | max_posedon: seems to be around 59 mA with gsm on |
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23:38.13 | lindi- | I need to verify that wifi really got switched off |
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23:38.47 | PaulFertser | lindi-: http://markmail.org/message/qnvnqaralyd6acbt |
23:39.22 | lindi- | ah |
23:40.22 | PaulFertser | lindi-: that latest patch has even 50 availabl |
23:40.25 | PaulFertser | it seems |
23:40.36 | lindi- | that'll have to wait till tomorrow :) |
23:40.38 | PaulFertser | I mean you have a broader freq selection to choose from. |
23:40.47 | PaulFertser | 50, 100, 200, 300, 400 |
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