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| 00:18.56 | mokoer | hello all! IS there any feed that currently has linphone? The one listed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone is down. |
| 00:26.10 | h4v | it would be good to put linphone back on track |
| 00:29.34 | mokoer | indeed |
| 00:29.59 | mokoer | I am really eager to see a functional SHR again too |
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| 00:42.31 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4998 10/developers/werner/gta02-core/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:42.31 | CIA-53 | openmoko: A few components and a footprint generator that may be useful for gta02-core. |
| 00:42.31 | CIA-53 | openmoko: The SOT symbols duplicate items in the KiCad library, but have a different |
| 00:42.31 | CIA-53 | openmoko: pin assignment. (Different between through-hole and SMT.) |
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| 01:28.34 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4999 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/s3c2442.lib: |
| 01:28.34 | CIA-53 | openmoko: NYPON, YMON, and NXPON weren't but a figment of Samsung's imagination. |
| 01:28.34 | CIA-53 | openmoko: (They existed with these names in the 2410 but 2442 moved them to the |
| 01:28.34 | CIA-53 | openmoko: ADC and renamed them.) |
| 01:32.28 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5000 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/s3c2442.lib: Two nSSx names were capitalized. |
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| 01:41.56 | slaxxer | is dbus unborked yet in shr-unstable? |
| 01:46.43 | mokoer | is so anxious to see shr actually working |
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| 01:53.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5001 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/s3c2442.lib: |
| 01:53.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: VD15/GPD7/nSS0 and VD14/GPD6/nSS1 have in fact no secondary function |
| 01:53.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: (yet another anchronism in the Samsung data sheet), so we rename them. |
| 01:53.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: A few pins listed GPxx as second instead of third function. Samsung |
| 01:53.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: are inconsistently inconsistent about this, so we remove the |
| 01:53.24 | CIA-53 | openmoko: inconsistency. |
| 02:02.36 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5002 10/developers/werner/gta02-core/2442-cheatsheet: |
| 02:02.36 | CIA-53 | openmoko: A little help for matching units to subsystems. The numbers are KiCad's |
| 02:02.36 | CIA-53 | openmoko: internal references. |
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| 02:06.42 | slaxxer | shr/unstable/settings/connectivity/"Dbus is borked" that is funny |
| 02:08.29 | mokoer | slaxxer: I am using the 0416 testing and dbus is borked at least since... |
| 02:08.45 | slaxxer | ic |
| 02:09.17 | slaxxer | read the lattest news? |
| 02:15.59 | slaxxer | what we need are a group of manufactures that will build at the true cost ,,,, pitting THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER in a competition with open hardware! |
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| 03:30.36 | wurp2|working | Psi: Can you try it again? I just did it on my gta01 running the April 16 shr-testing |
| 03:30.58 | wurp2|working | Open a terminal, type "xrandr -o 1<enter>" - it should rotate your screen |
| 03:31.18 | wurp2|working | "xrandr -o 0" should rotate it back |
| 03:31.26 | wurp2|working | If it doesn't, please tell me the output |
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| 04:48.40 | Psi | hm.. is there an archive of old SHR builds anywhere? |
| 04:49.08 | Psi | need the april 16 shr testing build to check what wurp2|working just proposed |
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| 06:13.30 | khiraly1 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/ |
| 06:13.35 | khiraly1 | Psi: ^^^ |
| 06:14.02 | Psi | gta01 |
| 06:14.28 | Psi | but it doesnt matter now, ive managed to get xrandr working |
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| 06:31.44 | khiraly1 | ok, that image was for gta02 |
| 06:32.01 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5003 10/trunk/gta02-core/scripts/psdiff: |
| 06:32.01 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Utility to diff two eeschema postscript files. If a file name ends with .gz, |
| 06:32.01 | CIA-53 | openmoko: psdiff automatically invokes zcat. |
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| 07:15.54 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:16.03 | rhkfin | 'ning |
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| 08:55.03 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5004 10/trunk/gta02-core/expanded/Makefile: |
| 08:55.03 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Only generate the new local postscript files with the make default action, |
| 08:55.03 | CIA-53 | openmoko: don't upload. |
| 08:55.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5005 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:55.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: First round of pin to unit cleanup: move all EINTx pins to the EINT unit (D). |
| 08:55.22 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Also rearrange cpu.sch for the now grown EINT block. |
| 08:56.52 | thrashold | How do you edit the boot menu on the FR? |
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| 09:10.30 | PaulFertser | thrashold: either by using some user-space tool for editing u-boot env or by connecting to running u-boot with cdc_acm and issuing commands from any terminal emulator. |
| 09:12.18 | thrashold | Yeah, but on FR, when I issue saveenv it is lost on the next reboot. |
| 09:12.59 | PaulFertser | thrashold: are you using NOR u-boot? Then it's expected. |
| 09:14.04 | thrashold | Ermm.... Probably. How do you get into NAND u-boot then? |
| 09:15.22 | PaulFertser | thrashold: you don't press AUX while SoC is powered-on/reset. |
| 09:16.09 | thrashold | How do I get in the menu, then? |
| 09:19.37 | PaulFertser | thrashold: read the wiki please. |
| 09:27.57 | Psi | anyone know if -s 320x240 is supposed to work on gta01 with xrandr in shr? |
| 09:28.05 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5006 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib s3c2442.lib): Added reminder text-only fields for EINT10 through EINT19. |
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| 09:35.52 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5007 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/fix-pinedit-collision.patch: A tentative fix for excessive warnings when editing multi-unit components. |
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| 09:40.18 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5008 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/s3c2442.lib: Yet another Samsung inconsistency: VD9/SPCLK1/GPD1 should be VD9/SPICLK1/GPD1. |
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| 10:02.28 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5009 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib s3c2442.lib): |
| 10:02.28 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Added SPI text-only fields. Note: are there *really* three SPICLK1 pins but |
| 10:02.28 | CIA-53 | openmoko: only one nSPICS1 ? Seems rather suspicious. The documentation is largely |
| 10:02.28 | CIA-53 | openmoko: consistent in this regard, though. |
| 10:07.09 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5010 10/trunk/gta02-core/expanded/io.sch: Updated expanded schematics for grown SPI block. |
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| 11:36.33 | KaZeR_mobi | hello there |
| 11:36.43 | rhkfin | 'llo there! |
| 11:37.23 | KaZeR_mobi | i'm still having issues (read : can't use) with my message book. |
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| 11:37.50 | KaZeR_mobi | 2 questions : 1) does one know how to decode pdu message from command line or something like that? |
| 11:38.26 | KaZeR_mobi | 2) is there a way to backup messages from sim somewhere else? can i just dump the pdu content to a file? |
| 11:38.44 | KaZeR_mobi | i can read the messages using mickeyterm, but openmoko-messages or dbus calls are crashing |
| 11:39.08 | KaZeR_mobi | (and with mickeyterm, i should say rather that i can display the message.. not really read them :) ) |
| 11:39.10 | rhkfin | KaZeR_mobi: what distro? |
| 11:40.03 | thrashold | KaZeR: How are the dbus calls "crashing"? |
| 11:41.02 | KaZeR_mobi | rhkfin: sorry, should have precised indeed : shr-unstable |
| 11:41.38 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: updated and upgraded today? |
| 11:41.44 | KaZeR_mobi | thrashold: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection was disconnected before a reply was received in console and http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/464 in the logs |
| 11:42.07 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1 : yes, i tried to reopen and update ticket but was rejected : Warning: No permission to change ticket fields. |
| 11:42.16 | thrashold | What kernel is this running? |
| 11:42.20 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: which ticket? |
| 11:43.02 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1: i wanted to post : "In fact it's not related to the cache. I have the same issue with a fresh shr-unstable from 20090509, and if i try to read the messagebook using dbus, it also crashes." |
| 11:43.02 | KaZeR_mobi | thrashold: Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Fri May 15 12:29:40 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown (shr-unstable upgraded this morning) |
| 11:43.03 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: it doesn't look like contact cache crashing |
| 11:43.10 | thrashold | (I'm experiencing a correlation between the kernel version and framework not replying, which is strange... ) |
| 11:43.17 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1 : #464, you closed it yesterday |
| 11:43.19 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: it's more frameworkd problem for me |
| 11:43.31 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: so it's not the same issue :P |
| 11:43.42 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: fill ticket in FSO tracker |
| 11:43.50 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1 : i agree, i had the same issue with 20090509. i didn't not say it was related to cache : you did :) |
| 11:43.59 | dos1 | or talk with mickey|lunch about that |
| 11:44.10 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: now, you did by trying to make mess in trac |
| 11:44.36 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: you wanted to post comment about your issue under ticket about different issue :> |
| 11:44.42 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1 : make mess? |
| 11:45.22 | dos1 | btw |
| 11:45.25 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1 : no, i did not talk about cache in my ticket. i reported an application crash. |
| 11:45.26 | dos1 | fresh shr-unstable? |
| 11:45.40 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: but it was contact cache crash |
| 11:45.58 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: there's no such thing as fresh shr-unstable :P |
| 11:46.04 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: we have build problems |
| 11:46.12 | dos1 | so new image wasn't generated for ages |
| 11:46.12 | KaZeR_mobi | 20090509 without updates : crashes the very same way, so not related to cache (which was included a few days ago, no? ) |
| 11:46.23 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1: by fresh i meant 'vanilla' |
| 11:46.30 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: opkg update; opkg upgrade |
| 11:46.34 | KaZeR_mobi | no updates/upgrades |
| 11:46.41 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: so do it |
| 11:46.41 | KaZeR_mobi | and it worked until sunday |
| 11:47.08 | KaZeR_mobi | let me resume, i might be confusing you |
| 11:48.08 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: if you want to fill ticket - please, do that with fresh software |
| 11:48.10 | dos1 | not outdated |
| 11:48.30 | dos1 | you can then fill ticket about issue, which is fixed for ages |
| 11:48.34 | KaZeR_mobi | i was running 20090509 without updates. was working ok. messages started to crash on sunday : i upgraded. did not solve. i reported bug and learnt about contact cache. i flashed back to 20090509, had the same issue (same frameworkd.log). upgraded this morning to include your fix from yesterday : same issue |
| 11:48.40 | dos1 | and now having trac clean is important to us |
| 11:48.44 | dos1 | as we want to release soon |
| 11:49.04 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1: yes, i agree. and i run a trac too, i know how it's like (navit) |
| 11:49.20 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1: i just wanted to point that it didn't seem to be related to cache |
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| 11:49.53 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: hmm. no. looks like you don't have luck and you riched next issue just after previous :) |
| 11:50.00 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1: my point about the ticket : i will report on FSO. but messages shouldn't die in awful pain, rather warn that the dbus is gone or whatever |
| 11:50.15 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: there is ticket for that ;) |
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| 11:50.45 | KaZeR_mobi | dos1: i believe i received a message that fso can't decode or something like that |
| 11:51.30 | KaZeR_mobi | hence my question about a tool to decode pdu : i could read my encoded messages, and trashes them until i find the faulty one |
| 11:51.34 | dos1 | KaZeR_mobi: can you provide fresh logs from openmoko-messages and frameworkd? |
| 11:52.01 | dos1 | if it's really decoding issue, then it's frameworkd problem, in which mickey|lunch or alphaone would be interested |
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| 12:00.52 | KaZeR_mobi | sorry.. my connection via the FR isn't reliable :) |
| 12:00.56 | KaZeR_mobi | did i miss something? |
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| 12:04.05 | Viddy_ | so... I'm attempting to upgrade the gsm firmware in my freerunner, using the usd method, and its been sitting there for 23 minutes now, do i pull the power, or leave it overnight? |
| 12:04.44 | SpeedEvil | I think it takes a while - I'm unsure how long |
| 12:04.53 | SpeedEvil | have you gotten any error mssages? |
| 12:05.14 | Viddy_ | last message on screen is [time.stamp] power_supply battery: driver failed to report 'health' properly |
| 12:05.26 | Viddy_ | wikipage says 6 min |
| 12:05.44 | KaZeR_mobi | 23 minutes? seems too long for me (but i'm no expert). iirc, it should take no more than a few minutes.. |
| 12:05.45 | Viddy_ | i wonder if its booted into the normal flash, instead of the usd flash |
| 12:09.18 | KaZeR_mobi | Viddy_: i personnally did it by flashing the minimal distro and doing the job by hand. worked flawlessly, and wasn't harder. and at least i could keep an eye on what was going on |
| 12:09.38 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: ^ |
| 12:09.41 | Viddy_ | yeah, i wonder if i'll end up doing that |
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| 12:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | huh? whazzup? |
| 12:10.43 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: Viddy_ has some problems in GSM firmware upgrade.. |
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| 12:11.51 | rhkfin | (and I think you're ~the only one who understands that stuff..) |
| 12:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | Viddy_: do you see blue writing on FR screen? |
| 12:12.28 | Viddy_ | not at the moment - i don't think i saw anything previously either |
| 12:12.36 | Viddy_ | all I've got is that line at the top of the screen |
| 12:12.48 | Viddy_ | <Viddy_> last message on screen is [time.stamp] power_supply battery: driver failed to report 'health' properly |
| 12:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | Viddy_: did you boot from NOR? |
| 12:12.56 | Viddy_ | yup |
| 12:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | redo |
| 12:13.12 | Viddy_ | cool |
| 12:13.16 | Viddy_ | reflash usd? |
| 12:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | insert bat propperly |
| 12:13.26 | Viddy_ | leave power in? |
| 12:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just start/boot |
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| 12:14.15 | Viddy_ | hmm, not sure if battery will last that long |
| 12:14.28 | Viddy_ | Its been off for some time |
| 12:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | Viddy_: remove power and bat. insert bat propperly. insert usb-charger while holding AUX. make sure you got NOR menu. reboot from uSD |
| 12:16.26 | Viddy_ | cool |
| 12:16.34 | Viddy_ | its at synthesizin the inital hot plug events |
| 12:16.38 | Viddy_ | remounting root fs |
| 12:17.00 | Viddy_ | ah |
| 12:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | Viddy_: flashing process started when blue writing on screen. may take longer than 6min, but should finish eventually. |
| 12:17.09 | Viddy_ | i see blue background with black text |
| 12:17.21 | Viddy_ | yup |
| 12:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | so you're half way there |
| 12:17.27 | Viddy_ | its flashing |
| 12:17.50 | Viddy_ | cool, wonder what happened |
| 12:18.08 | Viddy_ | maybe i stuffed up, pushed it into normal boot off onboard flash |
| 12:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, sounds like middle contact of your bat was dirty |
| 12:18.30 | Viddy_ | screen's gone blank - can i touch screen, get it back? |
| 12:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 12:18.42 | Viddy_ | cool |
| 12:19.32 | rhkfin | I knew if anyone, DocScrutinizer would be the one who could help :) Thanks! |
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| 12:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 12:19.46 | Viddy_ | yeah, much appreciated, thanks for that |
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| 12:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | should take care about my crap, no? ;-) |
| 12:20.43 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: :D |
| 12:22.48 | Viddy_ | sweet, and its done |
| 12:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 12:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | Viddy_: if by any chance you get to know what went wrong, please ping me, so I might augment the wiki instructions |
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| 12:24.49 | Viddy_ | actually, I'll boot into the onboard flash, and see if it gave me the same result as the first time |
| 12:25.13 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: maybe you should add there the state after it's critical to abort or something..? |
| 12:25.29 | rhkfin | like 'after this point there's no return' |
| 12:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: no such point :-D |
| 12:26.16 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: so it's safe to abort any time -> you can't brick the GSM chip (at least when upgrading the firmware?) |
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| 12:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 12:26.43 | rhkfin | Great! |
| 12:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | uSD is supposed to use rom-bootloader |
| 12:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | should work even with borked gsm-fw |
| 12:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | (-oo instead of -oO) |
| 12:28.50 | Viddy_ | this applies for gta02 though, rather than gta01? |
| 12:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | we learnt about rom-bl after initial instructions were published |
| 12:29.24 | Viddy_ | hmm |
| 12:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | Viddy_: hmm??? |
| 12:30.06 | Viddy_ | i thought i read something that the gta01 phone gsm chipset was fairly fragile? |
| 12:30.20 | Viddy_ | where fragile == breakable |
| 12:30.28 | Viddy_ | or at least, more than the gta02 |
| 12:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | Viddy_: gta01 has no NOR |
| 12:30.48 | Viddy_ | dunno, phone booted into a gui this time - issues that may have affected it were that the phone had been off for a couple months |
| 12:30.52 | SpeedEvil | phone chipsets are the same |
| 12:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | gsm is identical |
| 12:30.55 | Viddy_ | oh, ok |
| 12:31.06 | SpeedEvil | it's only 'normal' ROM that boots linux that changes |
| 12:31.10 | Viddy_ | yeah |
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| 13:37.05 | badcloud | any reason why openmoko didn't make gta02 a quadband? |
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| 13:44.00 | mickeyl | not possible due to the used GSM chip |
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| 13:46.44 | mariusno | Hi, is GPRS working in the OM2009 RC3, i have checked wiki and mailinglist, but cannot find anyone mention GPRS in 2009 |
| 13:47.39 | schannall1 | mariusno: as it works in fso and shr i guess it will also work on om2009 |
| 13:47.52 | badcloud | I see |
| 13:48.39 | rhkfin | mariusno: I have it working on OM2009 ok |
| 13:48.50 | rhkfin | (btw RC3 != testing3..) |
| 13:48.54 | mariusno | sounds great |
| 13:48.59 | mariusno | okay |
| 13:49.02 | mariusno | sorry, my bad |
| 13:49.13 | rhkfin | np - just making sure you don't expect too much :) |
| 13:49.29 | mariusno | is the GPRS implemented with a GUI, or is it only by terminal/dbus |
| 13:49.29 | rhkfin | mariusno: but there will be a bew testing released tomorrow or so, you might want to wait for it |
| 13:49.35 | rhkfin | mariusno: full GUI support |
| 13:49.43 | badcloud | anyone know anything about project b? |
| 13:49.43 | rhkfin | (whatever that means..) |
| 13:49.54 | rhkfin | badcloud: yes, it took all developers from Freerunner :/ |
| 13:49.58 | rhkfin | (almost all) |
| 13:50.22 | badcloud | what sort of hardware are we expected to see? |
| 13:51.11 | rhkfin | no idea but tons of speculation |
| 13:51.25 | badcloud | ha |
| 13:51.26 | rhkfin | Hair straightener with wlan is the top guess atm |
| 13:51.27 | badcloud | I'll bet |
| 13:52.21 | badcloud | Sean's turned into the Steve Jobs of opensoftware hardware |
| 13:55.05 | badcloud | so nothing solid as far as specs? |
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| 14:17.39 | spaetz | badcloud: no communication device is all that's public |
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| 14:25.04 | dos1 | badcloud: it's open toaster |
| 14:25.10 | dos1 | (project b) |
| 14:27.01 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbc8f17dde918 10/fsodeviced/ (6 files in 4 dirs): fsodevice: start with BasePowerControl class in libfsodevice; add build skeleton for plugin openmoko_powercontrol |
| 14:32.45 | vininim | if it's a media player, maybe I would buy it |
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| 14:33.22 | vininim | maybe... because I do have a FreeRunner, which ``is a phone'' so I don't know what to expect from a ``media player''. |
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| 14:37.00 | neomilium | vininim: maybe if it is a ``media player", you can phone but can read multimedia files... as ``the phone" can be media player, PDA, and others stuffs but not phone at the moment... ^^ |
| 14:37.14 | neomilium | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.43 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r680276e4cdda 10/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:37.43 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: add handler for incoming message receipt |
| 14:37.43 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
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| 14:39.44 | UukGoblin | Hi, just curious about one thing... Why is one accelerometer being removed in gta02-core? Why was it there in the first place? Isn't it the case that it's much easier to implement inertial navigation system using 2 accelerometers? |
| 14:40.12 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 14:40.13 | mickeyl | long story short, the 2nd accel is hardly buying us any new info and complicateing BOM and design |
| 14:40.27 | SpeedEvil | The sencond accel can give very little extra info |
| 14:40.39 | SpeedEvil | basically, all you have is position tapping on the case |
| 14:40.46 | SpeedEvil | and _extremely_ rapid rotation |
| 14:40.49 | UukGoblin | oh hi, SpeedEvil :-) |
| 14:40.55 | SpeedEvil | hi |
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| 14:41.06 | UukGoblin | mhm |
| 14:41.21 | SpeedEvil | tap on the case - if the accel signals are the same, you're tapping in between the accels |
| 14:41.22 | SpeedEvil | forex |
| 14:41.40 | SpeedEvil | this does require sampling the accels at maybe 100Hz though |
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| 14:42.28 | UukGoblin | so, (and I had this question some time ago already) is it (theoretically) possible to implement a (perhaps not too precise) inertial navigation system using only 1 accelerometer? Assuming the device would be for instance in pocket and would sometimes rotate or swing a bit? |
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| 14:43.01 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 14:43.09 | SpeedEvil | I've got a writeup on the wiki on this |
| 14:43.14 | SpeedEvil | short answer is no though |
| 14:43.29 | UukGoblin | so I guess a second accelerometer doesn't make it possible either? ;-] |
| 14:43.30 | SpeedEvil | it's no with 2 of the sort of devices in the gta02 too though |
| 14:43.39 | UukGoblin | nods |
| 14:43.56 | SpeedEvil | you can buy accels which will work for this - sort-of, but they are $200/axis |
| 14:44.00 | SpeedEvil | and you need 6 |
| 14:44.05 | UukGoblin | argh. :-> |
| 14:44.14 | SpeedEvil | 3-axis gyro is lots cheaper |
| 14:44.29 | UukGoblin | I was experimenting with google's G1, but didn't get anything near accurate ;-] |
| 14:44.29 | SpeedEvil | lookss for page |
| 14:44.47 | UukGoblin | yeah, I was thinking a mixture of a gyro and an accelerometer should do the trick |
| 14:45.02 | UukGoblin | (and perhaps the second accel could replace a gyro, but apparently not) |
| 14:45.09 | johnsu01 | does anyone have a ringtone that is low budget enough not to sound all choppy when the phone rings in SHR? :) |
| 14:46.00 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals |
| 14:46.04 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 14:46.14 | SpeedEvil | UukGoblinthat's quite possible to do |
| 14:46.42 | UukGoblin | SpeedEvil, thanks a lot :-) |
| 14:46.47 | SpeedEvil | UukGoblin: the problem is that the gyro costs on the order of $20 - which means $40 on the price |
| 14:46.51 | UukGoblin | SpeedEvil, you're very helpful as usual |
| 14:47.02 | UukGoblin | ah, I see |
| 14:47.10 | SpeedEvil | 3-axis magnetometer and accelerometer are in some ways better |
| 14:47.18 | SpeedEvil | which is a compass, and accel |
| 14:47.22 | UukGoblin | aaaah |
| 14:47.28 | UukGoblin | G1 has a magnetic compass too |
| 14:47.34 | SpeedEvil | don't expect to be able to do dead reckoning for long in either case |
| 14:47.46 | UukGoblin | but that wouldn't work too well in a cave for instance, or when there's a lot of metal stuff around |
| 14:48.02 | SpeedEvil | in a cave it works fine |
| 14:48.40 | SpeedEvil | however - none of the even remotely plausible sensors - allow for that sort of inertial navigation |
| 14:49.27 | SpeedEvil | for exxample - if you want to be within 10m after 1000s of dead-reckoning, your accelerometers need to be accurate to 20um/s^2 |
| 14:49.31 | SpeedEvil | or so |
| 14:49.48 | SpeedEvil | the ones in the FR are accurate to maybe 20cm/s^2 |
| 14:50.01 | UukGoblin | cool, I was trying to find some calculations regarding that a few months ago, but didn't get that far :-) |
| 14:50.18 | SpeedEvil | you can get maybe another order of magnitude or a little bit more by paying $5, not $3 |
| 14:50.44 | SpeedEvil | But, to get 2 orders gets you to $600/3 axis or so |
| 14:50.49 | UukGoblin | these prices must be when you buy in a big bulk order though, right? |
| 14:51.11 | SpeedEvil | In ones you can get the accels at about $8 per |
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| 14:52.49 | SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=497-5910-1-ND |
| 14:52.59 | SpeedEvil | is one similar to the accel in the GTA02 |
| 14:53.11 | UukGoblin | cool |
| 14:55.23 | SpeedEvil | though actuaally that's an analog output one, not digital |
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| 15:00.05 | UukGoblin | microchip pics can do very fast ADC (it's about a few microseconds per read) |
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| 15:03.54 | SpeedEvil | UukGoblin: the problem is not sampling rate, it's fundamental irreducable noise inherent to the sensor |
| 15:04.09 | UukGoblin | yes, of course |
| 15:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | for decent inertial dead recconing you need 100k$ sensors, like laser-gyro |
| 15:04.44 | UukGoblin | mhm |
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| 15:05.01 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd022a7af5d23 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/interfaces.vala: fsoframework: interfaces: add PowerControl object path |
| 15:05.02 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0c13810ee213 10/fsodeviced/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fsodevice: openmoko_powercontrol: Openmoko.BluetoothPowerControl working. |
| 15:05.07 | SpeedEvil | attaches a JDAM kit to DocScrutinizer, and drops him from 20000m. |
| 15:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | yeeeehaaaaaa!!! DocStrangelove..... ;-D |
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| 15:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: JDAM works with GPS |
| 15:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | dirt cheap (for Army material) |
| 15:06.36 | SpeedEvil | http://testing.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/frustrations/374d/ |
| 15:06.50 | SpeedEvil | It also has an inertial guidance function if GPS is offline |
| 15:07.05 | UukGoblin | heheh |
| 15:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | looool |
| 15:07.13 | SpeedEvil | CEP degrades, but stays lotts better than normal. |
| 15:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sure |
| 15:07.42 | Blu3 | why doesn't eth0(wireless) come up when wifi is enabled in settings? |
| 15:07.47 | UukGoblin | about dropping soldiers from heights, watch Tomek Baginski's Fallen Art (if you haven't already) ;-) |
| 15:07.51 | johnsu01 | does the alarm clock in SHR work? I set it this morning, but it didn't go off, even though other phone functions were working okay |
| 15:08.26 | Blu3 | no, it doesn't work |
| 15:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: SHR alarm isn't handling RTC correctly |
| 15:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | ffalarms is supposed to |
| 15:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: so no alarm with SHR alarm, if device is suspended |
| 15:09.30 | Blu3 | ffalarms work - if your audio works. the recent framework(?) updates install broken audio scenarios so no sound is made |
| 15:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | disclaimer: AFAIK |
| 15:10.14 | johnsu01 | heh, okay, thanks for the info |
| 15:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | fsck, probably ffalarm is broken not to load corerect scenario prior to asserting alarm |
| 15:11.21 | Blu3 | actually ffalarm is broken wrt. to elementary i think - won't run at all |
| 15:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of apps is broken this way. They depend / rely on stereoout being "magically" preloaded for them, which isn't guerranteed at any moment |
| 15:11.36 | Blu3 | checking, waiting for my phone to get around to doing something |
| 15:12.15 | Blu3 | i sure wish the power timeout settings would remain |
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| 15:13.43 | Blu3 | yes, ffalarms is broken in regards to evas |
| 15:14.17 | Blu3 | ValueError: Ecore_Evas_Engine_Type changed and bindings are now invalid, position 180 is now NULL! |
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| 15:20.27 | skamster | ** (process:1639): DEBUG: Phonelog database initiated |
| 15:20.27 | skamster | ophonekitd: symbol lookup error: ophonekitd: undefined symbol: frameworkd_handler_new |
| 15:20.55 | skamster | ehm, is there a fix for ophonekitd? |
| 15:21.14 | skamster | if not, i couldn't use gsm :s |
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| 15:28.01 | max_posedon | Does somebody remind name of tool which helps downloads maps for tangogps? |
| 15:28.09 | max_posedon | first later was Y |
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| 15:29.56 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: yauoth |
| 15:30.03 | PaulFertser | Or very similiar |
| 15:30.32 | max_posedon | thanks, 'cos I'm starting downloading all maps that I can require) |
| 15:30.47 | PaulFertser | With your new shiny 16Gb SD? ;) |
| 15:31.03 | max_posedon | yes) also, may be you know does bind-home works in SHR? |
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| 15:31.54 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbbda56b17fe4 10/fsodeviced/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fsodevice: openmoko_powercontrol: WiFiPowerControl done. |
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| 15:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | huh, working 16GB??? |
| 15:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | max_posedon: which brand? |
| 15:37.50 | max_posedon | SanDisk |
| 15:38.10 | max_posedon | can't say more now |
| 15:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | kingston fubar here :-( |
| 15:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | IO-errors on FR and desktop |
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| 15:38.53 | max_posedon | only one issue, I don't know but hdparm -tT /dev/mmc says only 1.5Mb/s |
| 15:39.52 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf516ab22b95d 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsodevice: add plugin thinkpad_powercontrol |
| 15:40.29 | mickeyl | *phew* |
| 15:40.36 | mickeyl | fsodevice completion status 80% |
| 15:41.50 | johnsu01 | also has a new 16GB SD to test |
| 15:42.20 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer, what is regular write speed for microSD in neo? |
| 15:42.37 | max_posedon | mine uSD at laptop with same test says ~6Mb/s |
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| 15:53.22 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, it was yaouh ) |
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| 16:01.18 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5c551b7b48b9 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/interfaces.vala: fsoframework: interfaces.vala: add Audio |
| 16:01.20 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0a67b9bec7f6 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsodevice: add skeleton for alsa_audio plugin |
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| 16:02.56 | ndnihil | go mieky go |
| 16:02.58 | ndnihil | er |
| 16:03.00 | ndnihil | mickey |
| 16:13.28 | mickeyl | :) |
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| 16:17.24 | skamster | root@om-gta02 /usr/lib $ opkg -force-reinstall install ophonekitd |
| 16:17.25 | skamster | Reinstalling ophonekitd (0.0.2+gitr663+b9bb7b19650064bff965214b4a11884828007c1a-r16) on root... |
| 16:17.25 | skamster | Collected errors: |
| 16:17.25 | skamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.25 | skamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.36 | skamster | why i had result's like this? |
| 16:18.18 | max_posedon | because server have more recent packages |
| 16:18.30 | max_posedon | and opkg suggest you do opkg update |
| 16:18.55 | skamster | i already maked a opkg update |
| 16:18.58 | dos1 | skamster: do "opkg update; opkg upgrade" |
| 16:19.02 | skamster | help's nothing |
| 16:19.09 | dos1 | ... |
| 16:19.25 | skamster | i had upgraded before 15 minutes |
| 16:19.50 | dos1 | maybe upgrade again |
| 16:19.50 | dos1 | :P |
| 16:20.00 | dos1 | btw |
| 16:20.04 | skamster | ^^ |
| 16:20.08 | dos1 | skamster: why do you want to reinstall ophonekitd? |
| 16:20.15 | skamster | yeah, but there isn't a new version |
| 16:20.27 | skamster | root@om-gta02 /usr/lib $ ophonekitd |
| 16:20.27 | skamster | ** (process:1803): DEBUG: Entering ecore loop |
| 16:20.27 | skamster | ** (process:1803): DEBUG: Phonegui initiated |
| 16:20.27 | skamster | ** (process:1803): DEBUG: Phonelog database initiated |
| 16:20.27 | skamster | ophonekitd: symbol lookup error: ophonekitd: undefined symbol: frameworkd_handler_new |
| 16:20.31 | skamster | because of this |
| 16:20.41 | skamster | couldn't phone anymore |
| 16:21.07 | skamster | and for a short time, i added the om-feeds today |
| 16:21.13 | skamster | to install paroli |
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| 16:21.28 | skamster | then i maked a upgrade, bsw beginn with this |
| 16:21.56 | dos1 | skamster: then you are interested in libframeworkd-glib0 and libframeworkd-phonegui0, not ophonekitd |
| 16:22.01 | skamster | but before it's configure, i aborted and delete the feed.. |
| 16:23.05 | skamster | thanks :D |
| 16:29.45 | skamster | root@om-gta02 /usr/lib $ opkg install ophonekitd |
| 16:29.45 | skamster | Collected errors: |
| 16:29.45 | skamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.52 | skamster | that's strange.. |
| 16:29.59 | skamster | it should be in the feed's, not? |
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| 16:30.09 | skamster | yeah |
| 16:30.14 | skamster | it work's again |
| 16:30.17 | skamster | yiiiiiiiiha |
| 16:30.19 | skamster | :D |
| 16:30.21 | skamster | :d |
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| 16:30.41 | skamster | now i could spam you all the night with smiles :p |
| 16:31.00 | skamster | aaaah, that's just great, thx dos1 |
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| 16:53.45 | ruoso | some parts of the wiki references the neo1973 having 256Mb SD, others say it has only 64Mb... which one is correct? |
| 16:54.03 | SpeedEvil | 64 |
| 16:54.04 | mjr | 1973 has 64M nand flash, freerunner has 256M nand flash |
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| 16:54.21 | mjr | either can accomodate (at least) microsdhc cards of probably any sizes |
| 16:54.39 | SpeedEvil | up to 16G at teh moment I think |
| 16:54.54 | mjr | yeah, seeing as there aren't sizes over that available yet |
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| 16:55.14 | SpeedEvil | you could adapt a 32G SD with wires, but... |
| 16:55.44 | mjr | apparently it might be possible to also adapt >32G SDXC cards with a driver update, but I'm just repeating what's been told me |
| 16:55.49 | ruoso | right... is it easy to replace the SD? |
| 16:55.50 | mjr | +micro, of course |
| 16:55.56 | SpeedEvil | ruoso: the socket is fiddly |
| 16:56.00 | SpeedEvil | ruoso: but, yes |
| 16:56.02 | unknown_lamer | hrm, I am an evil traitor with a g1 |
| 16:56.07 | mjr | ruoso, it is relatively easy, but certainly not hotplug |
| 16:56.08 | unknown_lamer | but, I may have a FR too soon |
| 16:56.16 | unknown_lamer | does this mean I only go to purgatory? |
| 16:56.37 | mjr | unknown_lamer, is it a consumer g1 with drm or a developer one with no access to app store? :] |
| 16:56.48 | ruoso | cool... so I can get any microsd card... that's certainly cool |
| 16:57.06 | ruoso | I'm still struggling to find a more recent working image for the gta01 |
| 16:57.15 | unknown_lamer | mjr: consume g1, rooted and running the android dev image |
| 16:57.33 | mjr | unknown_lamer, purgatory might be an option, a bit iffy |
| 16:57.36 | unknown_lamer | mjr: which does have access to the market ... but I think I can't /buy/ apps (like I'd pay for apps anyway, har ...) |
| 16:58.29 | unknown_lamer | but oh, the tempatation of getting such fancy hardware for $100 + two years of slavery (perhaps they were concerned that I had been out of contract for five years) was too much to resist :-( |
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| 16:59.40 | mjr | is kinda mentally preparing for the possible inevitability of buying android or nokia phones in the future, depending on which are the most open in a couple of years |
| 16:59.54 | SpeedEvil | mjr: Don't be silly |
| 17:00.06 | SpeedEvil | mjr: OM is going to be consumer ready really soon now. |
| 17:00.18 | mjr | sorry, I forgot |
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| 17:01.02 | ruoso | great... the images referenced by the Phase_1_Software_Testing wiki page no longer exist |
| 17:01.35 | mjr | I do think I'm gonna trudge along with me OM phones for a while yet, mind you. |
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| 17:10.36 | ruoso | hmm... from http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/, how do I match the rootfs images with the kernel images? doesn't seem to be any hint in the name... |
| 17:12.08 | |Marco| | ruoso: you want 2007.2 running ? for the gui or something else ? |
| 17:12.37 | ruoso | it says somewhere that the 2008 images don't work in the gta01 |
| 17:13.53 | |Marco| | ah, what about hackable1 ? |
| 17:14.54 | ruoso | hackable1? |
| 17:15.24 | |Marco| | hold on, checking if it works on gta01 |
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| 17:18.17 | |Marco| | ruoso: it's 2007.2 WM on debian basicly (I think) |
| 17:18.49 | ruoso | right |
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| 17:23.10 | dos1 | ruoso: on gta01 use |
| 17:23.13 | dos1 | SHR |
| 17:23.19 | ruoso | SHR? |
| 17:23.36 | dos1 | ruoso: http://shr-project.org/ |
| 17:24.09 | dos1 | the most important distro for OM phones ATM (along with Om2009) |
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| 17:25.18 | ruoso | at this moment I really only care if it installs on gta01 ;) and if it works... |
| 17:25.40 | dos1 | ruoso: i know people which use gta01 with SHR as daily phone |
| 17:25.48 | dos1 | i'm using it on my gta02 as daily phone |
| 17:25.50 | ruoso | cool |
| 17:26.48 | ruoso | what is the difference between the different images available to download? |
| 17:27.02 | dos1 | ruoso: shr-testing is old and shr-unstable is working |
| 17:27.03 | dos1 | ;D |
| 17:27.40 | dos1 | image is old too (due to buildhost problems), you'll need to "opkg update; opkg upgrade" |
| 17:27.41 | ruoso | right... but there is more than one image inside shr-unstable... |
| 17:28.13 | ruoso | do people that use it as a daily phone use the unstable or the testing image? |
| 17:28.39 | ndnihil | testing for me |
| 17:28.51 | dos1 | unstable for me |
| 17:29.01 | dos1 | and use just latest :P |
| 17:29.08 | dos1 | testing is old and buggy |
| 17:29.18 | dos1 | we are working on restructurizing unstable->testing migrations |
| 17:29.37 | dos1 | as now testing is just obsolete crap, updated from time to time... |
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| 17:31.41 | ruoso | how does the battery perform on the gta01 for regular usage? |
| 17:32.20 | mwester | poorly compared to a typical cellphone, quite well when compared to the battery life one had a year ago. |
| 17:33.38 | ruoso | so the software improved the battery life... |
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| 17:36.16 | |Marco| | so, SHR has gotten a lot better since easter ? How's the WM speed ? last time I used it things were unberably slow.. |
| 17:36.23 | |Marco| | same for dbus |
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| 17:42.59 | dos1 | |Marco|: i suggest using x11-16 engine |
| 17:43.14 | dos1 | it should be also faster due to "e eating cpu" problem fixed |
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| 17:51.42 | |Marco| | dos1: thank you GOD!! |
| 17:51.56 | |Marco| | I was so pissed because of how slow things were |
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| 17:52.30 | nadio | With what moden mobile that got 3GTurbo chip is it possible to run linux ? |
| 17:52.42 | |Marco| | how about the "no icons on desktop" problem that pops by repeatedly ? |
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| 17:55.45 | mwester | |Marco|, perhaps you should try a few days snapshots of shr-unstable to see what generally works and doesn't (don't try just one day, as the unstable is a development work-in-progress, and each snapshot may fix some bugs and introduce some new ones; you'll have to try a few to find one that generally works). |
| 17:56.00 | mwester | I think trying it will answer more of your questions . |
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| 18:00.01 | dos1 | |Marco|: it should be fixed for ages |
| 18:00.06 | |Marco| | mwester: okay, it's been a while since I used HSR now. How about the problem with misc colored screen of death while gps, wifi and/or gsm/gprs online ? |
| 18:01.15 | mwester | |Marco|, I can't say, because I do not know of a bug report that describes that. If there is a bug report somewhere, then the report should have the updated information. But that does not sound like an SHR issue; that sounds like hardware/kernel to me. |
| 18:05.31 | |Marco| | mwester: well, I don't have that probem in haclable1 |
| 18:05.39 | ruoso | flashing shr into gta01 now... |
| 18:05.41 | |Marco| | wh well |
| 18:05.50 | |Marco| | *ah |
| 18:06.07 | mwester | |Marco|, sounds to me that you are very concerned about regressions with SHR -- so if Hackable works for you, perhaps you should stay with hackable instead. |
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| 18:07.52 | |Marco| | mwester: well, I do preffer the 2007.2 WM, but SHR has all the usability that I'm interested in so.. |
| 18:08.35 | |Marco| | I really don't know what to do :P |
| 18:09.26 | mickeyl | how 'bout working on a hybrid? |
| 18:09.39 | |Marco| | that'd be nice :) |
| 18:09.53 | mickeyl | using matchbox and the 2007.2 launcher with the SHR telephony apps |
| 18:09.53 | |Marco| | hrm.. |
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| 18:10.23 | |Marco| | that just might be a cool project to set loose on :) |
| 18:10.36 | mickeyl | yeah |
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| 18:13.20 | YellowOnion | I was looking forward to getting a NeoFreeRunner but looks like it's not compatiable with Telecom NZ |
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| 18:16.49 | max_posedon1 | YellowOnion: its true if TelecomNZ cdma operator |
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| 18:18.45 | YellowOnion | They're just about to open a new network which according to wikipedia is UTMS/HSPA/WCDMA |
| 18:18.56 | SpeedEvil | nope then |
| 18:19.07 | SpeedEvil | need GSM |
| 18:20.29 | YellowOnion | and I can't afford vodafone which is GSM :( |
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| 18:22.01 | YellowOnion | anyother phones that run openmoko? |
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| 18:27.43 | ruoso | how do I get a on-screen input with SHR? |
| 18:32.27 | |Marco| | tap on the top bar in the middle |
| 18:32.59 | |Marco| | there shuld be "querty" or a mini keyboard up at the top of the pulldown window |
| 18:33.30 | |Marco| | wow, that was a bad explaination :P |
| 18:33.49 | ruoso | but I got it anyway ;) |
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| 18:35.12 | YellowOnion | SpeedEvil: thanks for your help |
| 18:36.06 | |Marco| | ruoso: good :) |
| 18:36.09 | SpeedEvil | YellowOnion: sorry - anyway - any phone running OM is basically on the efforts of users |
| 18:36.16 | SpeedEvil | YellowOnion: any other phone |
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| 18:36.38 | SpeedEvil | YellowOnion: at the moment, the concentrtion is totally getting it working on the as-sold hardware |
| 18:37.21 | YellowOnion | SpeedEvil: yeah can't expect a small project like this to do too much |
| 18:39.09 | SpeedEvil | You can never expect the spanish inquisition. |
| 18:40.12 | ruoso | the gta01 does contain agps, doesn't it? |
| 18:40.20 | ruoso | what do I need to do to have it working? |
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| 18:45.20 | ruoso | SHR++ # very nice interface |
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| 18:47.29 | Laibsch | Is this fast-charging thing still necessary? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode |
| 18:48.06 | Laibsch | I can't find the referenced nodes under /sys/class on the FR running SHR |
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| 18:52.47 | slaxxer | ruoso probly use shr-unstable at this point |
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| 18:53.07 | dos1 | Laibsch: find /sys | grep usb_curlim |
| 18:53.12 | mwester | Laibsch, the concept of a stable API has eluded the Openmoko kernel developers; the nodes have all changed names and semantics several times over since that was placed in the wiki :( |
| 18:53.16 | dos1 | and you will get actual sysfs node |
| 18:53.32 | Laibsch | dos1: already done that |
| 18:53.54 | ruoso | slaxxer, I am using the unstable |
| 18:54.45 | slaxxer | otherwise its the 04142009 image that works for me |
| 18:54.59 | slaxxer | 04152009 |
| 18:55.16 | slaxxer | 0416 |
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| 18:57.01 | |Marco| | holy moma.. latest SHR is a LOT faster now than last time I was using it |
| 18:57.13 | slaxxer | where? |
| 18:57.33 | |Marco| | WM |
| 18:57.39 | ndnihil | marco: what version? |
| 18:58.17 | |Marco| | hold on |
| 18:58.26 | |Marco| | openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090509-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 18:59.13 | ruoso | hmm... gpsd is running, but I don't see any data |
| 18:59.21 | slaxxer | does the shutdown screen work? |
| 18:59.25 | ndnihil | hrm, I think I tried that one |
| 18:59.29 | ndnihil | yeah |
| 18:59.32 | ndnihil | that was my next question |
| 18:59.37 | ndnihil | what happens when you push the power button? |
| 18:59.48 | ndnihil | and if I remember right, aux button doesnt lock screen either |
| 19:00.21 | |Marco| | crap.. bug on checking how much $$ is left on my simcard |
| 19:00.26 | slaxxer | it was a fresh new level |
| 19:00.54 | |Marco| | or.. No, it was something else |
| 19:01.41 | slaxxer | thats why i use unstable-current |
| 19:01.56 | ndnihil | all the unstable currents I tried had the same issue |
| 19:02.05 | ndnihil | so I went back to an old testing |
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| 19:02.19 | slaxxer | because the latest neovento eats my battery |
| 19:02.32 | ndnihil | neovento? |
| 19:03.03 | slaxxer | distribution from debian |
| 19:03.25 | ndnihil | ah |
| 19:03.49 | slaxxer | fork of debian whatever |
| 19:04.43 | md2k7 | btw: is the "wifi freezing after some time" still occuring? or is it my access point that is problematic? |
| 19:04.48 | Kagee | i'm trying to connect my neo to a windows machine, but i keep getting "device cannot start (code 10)" - has anyone tried this? |
| 19:05.09 | ndnihil | points and laughs at the windows user |
| 19:05.35 | md2k7 | well if virtualbox USB passing is working, I can try it :P |
| 19:06.04 | slaxxer | u should make a slax disk an try that if u have a lot of ram |
| 19:07.37 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:20.01 | rhkfin | Hey what app works to force the 500mA charge mode on OM2009 (or FSO generally)..? |
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| 19:21.39 | wurp2|gone | rhkfin: I have a daemon that monitors the charge level and pops up a giant two-button dialog if it detects slow charge |
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| 19:22.07 | wurp2|gone | Right now it is gta01 specific, but I have the changes I need to make ti work on FR. I've just been looking for a tester :-) |
| 19:23.40 | wurp2|working | Anyway, it keeps you from having to scroll around to the app, bring it up, find the tab with the force charge button, etc. You just tap the button, which pops up automatically between 0-4 seconds after you plug in |
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| 19:26.01 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: great :) |
| 19:26.17 | wurp2|working | Wanna be my guinea pig? |
| 19:26.30 | wurp2|working | I am almost certain it can't do anything to break your FR ;-) |
| 19:26.31 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: got an .ipk? |
| 19:26.43 | wurp2|working | It installs from tgz right now :-/ |
| 19:26.47 | rhkfin | heh, no worries :) I'm travelling tomorrow and need an app to do it.. |
| 19:26.47 | wurp2|working | sec |
| 19:26.53 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: I might be able to live with that :) |
| 19:27.59 | wurp2|working | rhkfin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode#Neo_1973_and_the_checkFastCharge.py_daemon |
| 19:28.08 | wurp2|working | Let me look up my notes on the update for FR |
| 19:28.13 | wurp2|working | It's really straightforward IIRC |
| 19:28.46 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: I fear that a daemon eats all my resources :) |
| 19:28.55 | rhkfin | But I'll try it today/tomorrow.. |
| 19:29.19 | wurp2|working | It does take up about a mb of memory iirc |
| 19:29.34 | wurp2|working | but it sleeps except for about 20 ms every 4 seconds, so no cpu really |
| 19:30.17 | rhkfin | ok. I might be happy with the manual version too, I use slow recharge once every moth or so :) |
| 19:30.23 | rhkfin | But I'll try |
| 19:30.30 | wurp2|working | rhkfin: Ah, in that case you may not care much |
| 19:30.49 | wurp2|working | I don't have a fast charger (there isn' |
| 19:30.59 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: ok.. |
| 19:31.01 | wurp2|working | t one other than a smart usb for gta01), so I use it all the time |
| 19:31.17 | rhkfin | I might try the manual script. But gotta go now.. Thanks! |
| 19:31.46 | wurp2|working | You're welcome :-) |
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| 19:36.32 | Laibsch | how can I check if the battery is indeed charging or not? |
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| 19:37.57 | lindi- | Laibsch: current_now |
| 19:38.19 | Laibsch | somewhere under /sys/? |
| 19:38.28 | lindi- | Laibsch: yep |
| 19:38.34 | Laibsch | cool, thanks |
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| 19:45.30 | Laibsch | lindi-: when I cat that I get "cat: read error: Timer expired" |
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| 19:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | Laibsch: then your bat isn't communicating correctly to the driver (or other way round ;) |
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| 19:50.48 | Laibsch | well the bat thing is giving me headaches that is for sure |
| 19:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | Laibsch: you need a current kernel, old ones might have borked drivers for apm/acpi/bat-readout |
| 19:56.27 | Laibsch | I downloaded this SHR image 3-4 days ago |
| 19:57.25 | Laibsch | 2.6.29-rc3 |
| 19:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, dunno |
| 19:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | works here with SHR-testing-04-16 |
| 19:59.51 | slaxxer | 3.4 maybe |
| 20:00.19 | ruoso | does the GPS works in gta01 without an external antenna, or is one required? |
| 20:00.50 | mmontour | external GPS antenna is not required |
| 20:00.59 | ruoso | I keep getting zeroes in tangogps |
| 20:01.40 | ruoso | it doesn't show any error |
| 20:01.47 | mmontour | You do have to be running the proprietary 'gllin' driver, and you should be outside with a good view of the sky to get an initial fix |
| 20:02.24 | ruoso | ah... so out-of-the-box SHR image won't have it working |
| 20:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | gta01 gps is really different to gta02 |
| 20:02.45 | ruoso | (i do have /dev/ttySAC0) |
| 20:02.57 | ruoso | I have a gta01-targetted image |
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| 20:04.00 | mwester | ruoso, did you install gllin? |
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| 20:04.37 | mwester | And the gps is on ttySAC1... although the GPS on the gta01 does not speak any standard GPS language, so it needs the custom driver. |
| 20:04.58 | ruoso | right... I'll take a look on how to install it |
| 20:06.02 | mmontour | Start at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin , with the usual disclaimer that the wiki may be seriously out of date |
| 20:06.47 | spaetz | is there any reasn why we can't include gllin by default? |
| 20:07.19 | spaetz | other than that most of us don't have a gta01 to develop for |
| 20:08.22 | mmontour | EULA "..., and to make one (1) copy of the Software for back-up or archival purposes only" |
| 20:09.31 | mmontour | (you can read the whole thing at http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/) |
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| 20:10.54 | ruoso | meh... no disk space... I really need to get a bigger sd |
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| 20:26.11 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: I don't think the path is correct, the one you had in the notes (didn't try the app itself). /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type doesn't exist.. |
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| 20:28.51 | rhkfin | where to find the correct path for recharge settings: http://pastebin.com/d699338c8 (from battery.py) |
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| 20:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: what's recharge-settings? |
| 20:31.44 | wurp2|working | rhkfin: Crap |
| 20:32.29 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: crarger type, capacity, voltage, status, usb_limit.. |
| 20:32.31 | wurp2|working | DocScrutinizer: He's talking about checking and altering the charge rate via /sys/ |
| 20:32.59 | wurp2|working | rhkfin: Can you cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status? |
| 20:33.32 | wurp2|working | I'm not sure if I want charger_type or status |
| 20:33.35 | rhkfin | that bq-thing doesn't exist |
| 20:33.42 | rhkfin | atm I've found these: |
| 20:33.42 | rhkfin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.42 | rhkfin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.42 | rhkfin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.44 | rhkfin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.02 | wurp2|working | Nicer names |
| 20:34.10 | wurp2|working | Can you cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status ? |
| 20:34.11 | rhkfin | I guess they are correct.. I still need to find the usb_limit (and hope they return something the battery.py is expecting..) |
| 20:34.21 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: yes |
| 20:34.52 | wurp2|working | What does it say? I assume you're plugged in to a real usb |
| 20:36.02 | rhkfin | 'Charging' (plugged to computer) |
| 20:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status is reporting false results atm |
| 20:36.22 | wurp2|working | DocScrutinizer: awesome |
| 20:37.40 | rhkfin | :( - I'll just forget this now... TH ewiki page has about 4-5 apps and none of them work with the current config. I need it about once a month, tomorrow would be the day, don't got now the time to play.. :( |
| 20:38.11 | wurp2|working | rhkfin: I'm sorry, I thought I already had what I needed. Good luck on your trip :-) |
| 20:38.20 | rhkfin | -> I'd respect if someone who knows about stuff would add the correct current paths to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode |
| 20:38.31 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: np.. I guess the paths change a lot.. |
| 20:38.48 | wurp2|working | BTW, why are you using OM2009? Aren't SHR, FSO, Debian all more stable/featureful? |
| 20:39.19 | wurp2|working | rhkfin: They don't on the gta01. I had one change maybe 8 months ago, and that's all, I think. |
| 20:39.21 | mirko-paroli | coughs |
| 20:39.30 | rhkfin | wurp2|working: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/its-time-to-contribute-to-om2009-paroli/ |
| 20:39.45 | rhkfin | coughs, too :) |
| 20:40.07 | mwester | expectorates |
| 20:40.13 | wurp2|working | mirko-paroli: Heh, sorry, but I created the initial web page to get SHR started because OM broke their tree for weeks (months?) |
| 20:40.23 | mirko-paroli | hrhr |
| 20:40.24 | mirko-paroli | no worrie |
| 20:40.26 | mirko-paroli | s |
| 20:40.33 | mirko-paroli | I wouldn't know the answer to your question |
| 20:40.40 | wurp2|working | I haven't tried it since then. I've heard good things about Paroli recently :-) |
| 20:40.40 | mirko-paroli | I am too small minded to try other stuff :( |
| 20:40.54 | Wonka | .oO( "it hexpectorated" ) |
| 20:41.00 | wurp2|working | Heh, me too. Well, really, just too lazy. |
| 20:41.07 | mwester | mirko-paroli, :p but you use the same kernel as everyone else ;) |
| 20:41.10 | mirko-paroli | I don't think Om2009 the distro is unstable it's mainly paroli ;) |
| 20:41.26 | mirko-paroli | mwester: sure, I love to share :) |
| 20:41.37 | mwester | hehe! Let's share the bugs! |
| 20:42.49 | rhkfin | mwester: we do already :) |
| 20:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | find /sys -name "*curlim" |
| 20:43.15 | mwester | but to be serious, yes somebody should update those wiki pages because IIRC the current /sys nodes are what is going upstream, so they should (finally) be stable. |
| 20:44.22 | rhkfin | can do it next week if someone tells the correct paths.. |
| 20:44.28 | mwester | There may be some minor changes, as there is still a need to support the dumb battery in the gta02, but hopefully we can do that without adding more sysfs nodes, or changing the fundamental charging behavior. |
| 20:45.01 | mwester | is still quite interested in "correcting" the charger behavior, per a much earlier conversation with DocScrutinizer, though he hopes that won't change the /sys nodes. |
| 20:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | surely wont |
| 20:46.17 | mwester | Unfortunately, Real Life(r) is currently rather busy for me, and I have very little time to play. :( |
| 20:46.33 | Wonka | all work and no play... |
| 20:46.47 | Wonka | i'd do more if i had more non-tired time... |
| 20:48.13 | wurp2|working | mwester: How's the new job? (not so new any more) |
| 20:49.12 | mwester | they folded their tent as well :( |
| 20:49.24 | wurp2|working | Oh crap! |
| 20:49.29 | mwester | So I'm back looking, while doing some contract sorts of work. |
| 20:49.48 | wurp2|working | I'm kind of in that nebulous in-between too right now |
| 20:50.10 | mwester | I'm considering it to be a sort of "reset" for a few months. |
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| 20:50.28 | wurp2|working | I am back at Southwest, but I don't like it, and I took a pay cut, too. Which I only accepted because I thought I was only gonna be here for 2 months |
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| 20:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | got fed up by the rest meanwhile |
| 20:51.07 | mwester | DocScrutinizer, what's the job market like in .de? |
| 20:51.24 | slaxxer1 | yea |
| 20:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:52.32 | wurp2|working | DocScrutinizer: Is it hitting software dev too? Or are you doing software dev? |
| 20:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | still not ready for a boring COBOL coder job in industry |
| 20:52.47 | wurp2|working | I still see quite a few jobs float across my radar for Java |
| 20:52.56 | wurp2|working | shudders. |
| 20:52.57 | mwester | :( |
| 20:53.02 | wurp2|working | COBOL |
| 20:53.13 | mwester | Java == the modern COBOL |
| 20:53.25 | wurp2|working | I've done COBOL, and Java |
| 20:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | like to stick to FOSS and communication (well, and possibly hw, at least part of the task) |
| 20:53.42 | wurp2|working | And in fact, Java does all the fun programming things C does, plus some other stuff |
| 20:54.04 | wurp2|working | Anyway, there is NO COMPARISON between Java & COBOL. Except that you get a bunch of crap developers in both areas |
| 20:54.10 | mwester | I'd like to stick to embedded, but the only interview I've managed in 5 weeks is software QA test tools. |
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| 20:54.58 | rhkfin | HOT NEW GPS app released: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ <- beats tangogps..! |
| 20:56.26 | SpeedEvil | http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/index.html#gbirl |
| 20:56.30 | SpeedEvil | related url is related |
| 20:56.40 | SpeedEvil | development of openstreetmap over timee |
| 20:56.53 | SpeedEvil | for various selected cities and areas in the world |
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| 20:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: echo 100 >$(find /sys/class -name usb_curlim) |
| 20:59.17 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: for 100mA recharge? |
| 20:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: or echo 500 -or even 1000 |
| 20:59.28 | rhkfin | oh, okay :) |
| 20:59.55 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: 'selected' apparently == anywhere but the US ;-) |
| 20:59.55 | rhkfin | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/usb_curlim |
| 20:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: please update wiki! |
| 21:00.08 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: I'll add a quick note.. |
| 21:00.34 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: we really should have a library for this stuff |
| 21:00.46 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: the US looks wierd |
| 21:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: which functions? honestly! |
| 21:01.22 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: as it's basically tiny dots around metropolitan areas very slowly expanding, and then huge blocks of data slamming down |
| 21:01.33 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: start/stop wifi, bt, gps, wlan |
| 21:01.35 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: from the import of the TIGER data from the US govt. |
| 21:01.44 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: toggle usbhost/device, set current limit |
| 21:01.44 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: (that is of variable quality) |
| 21:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: we should have dbus methods for all this |
| 21:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | not a lib |
| 21:02.39 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i don't want dbus |
| 21:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | as all this is related to resource handling |
| 21:03.07 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i might want to use this in the very beginning of initramfs, i don't want frameworkd there |
| 21:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: so you got /sys |
| 21:03.19 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but /sys changes all the time :) |
| 21:03.31 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: All I knew about it is that the areas I care about all have surprisingly good maps |
| 21:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | not really, see mwester's comment some lines up |
| 21:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: also see my cmd-line quote involving 'find'. this goes a long way for changing pathes |
| 21:05.14 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: sure but it's slow :) |
| 21:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 21:05.20 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: true - it's just that in some ways, belarus, netherlands, and the US are poor examples of OSM. |
| 21:05.26 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: for toggling vibrators it's too slow |
| 21:05.33 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: or any other led devices |
| 21:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: ack |
| 21:05.38 | lindi- | (they too seem to change paths?) |
| 21:06.01 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: so the library could provide these few functions that apps like mokomaze could link against it |
| 21:06.11 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: and it could provide a simple cmdline tool to use the library too |
| 21:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: for those purposes I would consider to keep the filehandle... |
| 21:06.16 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: I see, and hence the omission from the nifty animations. |
| 21:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not even close sys filenode |
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| 21:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha |
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| 21:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | a 'exec >vibrator/brightness; while true; do echo 255; echo 0; done" script gave me a chance to enjoy my "don't panic" bootscreen once again |
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| 23:03.59 | jc | hello, does anyone have google maps working with tangogps ? |
| 23:04.16 | jc | I tried many URLS (wiki, self parsed, etc) and didn't work.. |
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| 23:05.18 | SpeedEvil | they can and do ban people |
| 23:05.30 | SpeedEvil | do maps still work on your PC? |
| 23:07.13 | jc | SpeedEvil: yes they do.. |
| 23:07.19 | jc | I'll try from FR from firefox.. |
| 23:09.06 | SpeedEvil | never used google maps with it |
| 23:09.48 | jc | SpeedEvil: hmm.. if I downloaded all tiles I need on another IP and shared them on my server and modified my URL, I could get them on FR then, right ? |
| 23:10.20 | SpeedEvil | suppose so |
| 23:12.19 | jc | LOL ! |
| 23:12.28 | jc | I tried to tap on the table to loose firefox focus |
| 23:12.34 | jc | now I'm sure I'm mental |
| 23:13.35 | Weiss | sanity is overrated |
| 23:13.45 | jc | SpeedEvil: could it be google blocked some tangogps user agent or something ? |
| 23:13.52 | jc | SpeedEvil: because it works from browser.. |
| 23:15.11 | max_posedon | jc, yes |
| 23:16.01 | jc | max_posedon: hey there :D |
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