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| 02:21.25 | [_pablomino_]_ | Hello folks !! |
| 02:21.49 | [_pablomino_]_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.10 | [_pablomino_]_ | like where are the ringtones located? I found a few wav files so I put the new wav into the same directory but it was not recognized. any idea? |
| 02:22.34 | [_pablomino_]_ | and the second thing is how are the contacts stored? apart from the SIM card, on the device I mean. Which file? Because I removed the SIM card and started the neo without it and the contacts are still there... I could be nice to make a backup script or something... |
| 02:22.54 | [_pablomino_]_ | any clue? |
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| 02:38.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Anyone here know much about setting up bluetooth? :\ |
| 02:38.59 | rooly | its a pain in the ass is all i can say |
| 02:39.06 | rooly | except in qtopia |
| 02:39.13 | rooly | thats just annoying |
| 02:41.41 | Digital_Pioneer | The FSO dbus bluetooth interfaces have disappeared... |
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| 02:47.30 | playya | Digital_Pioneer, what about: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/Bluetooth org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower true |
| 02:48.37 | Digital_Pioneer | playya: It's on. |
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| 02:49.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, there they are. Weird. |
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| 02:51.15 | Digital_Pioneer | Huh, weird. |
| 02:51.22 | Digital_Pioneer | It says they aren't found... |
| 02:51.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Even though it lists them. |
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| 03:05.21 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, so whenever I try to play sound to my bluetooth from my FR, the bluetooth just starts playing whatever it hears from the mic. |
| 03:05.54 | Digital_Pioneer | Nevermind, I got it.... |
| 03:10.13 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, so the problem still is that the FSO dbus interface for bluetooth is screwed up. |
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| 03:12.37 | slaxxer | so hows shr testing today? |
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| 04:46.04 | pundiramit | hi.. can anyone tell me (or point to me any reference doc) how does openmoko s/w stack uses SMedia Glamo 3D accelerator? or how can an application make use of 3D accelerator? |
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| 04:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | pundiramit: check [community] as well as [devel] and [kernel] lists. Search for "glamo" and "raster". You'll find more than you can read in one day about the whole topic. Bottom line: it's useless |
| 04:59.10 | pundiramit | thanks DocScrutinizer.. i will check that |
| 04:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=site%3A+lists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster&btnG=Suche&meta= |
| 05:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
| 05:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster&btnG=Suche&meta= |
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| 05:13.52 | raster | pundiramit: simple answer. u cant use the 3d. no drivers |
| 05:13.54 | raster | no public docs |
| 05:14.01 | raster | even if you could - you'd be heavily limited |
| 05:14.17 | raster | cant do fullscreen 3d |
| 05:14.21 | raster | u'd have to drop to qvga |
| 05:14.25 | raster | or sub-screen rendering |
| 05:14.32 | raster | max text size of 256x256 limits it for a lot of things |
| 05:14.37 | raster | no render-to-texture |
| 05:14.44 | raster | and u'll have slow texture uploads |
| 05:15.00 | raster | and the engine isnt that fast if u read the specs |
| 05:15.07 | raster | that is *IF* u had drivers |
| 05:16.30 | ntfn | sucks dont it |
| 05:16.50 | raster | sucks not having drivers |
| 05:16.56 | raster | or sucks not being publicly documented |
| 05:17.02 | raster | or just the chip sucks in general? |
| 05:17.08 | ntfn | yeah leak the suckers |
| 05:17.24 | raster | glamo wasnt intended for vga |
| 05:17.28 | ntfn | :D |
| 05:17.35 | raster | it u read the docs u will see it was very much intended for qvga |
| 05:17.37 | raster | and below |
| 05:17.37 | ntfn | whats sdl |
| 05:17.51 | raster | vga it can just manage - at an outer limit |
| 05:18.00 | ntfn | cause i dont think the moko sdl+sdl is cool with each other |
| 05:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | apt: glamo is http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster |
| 05:18.17 | apt | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 05:18.18 | ntfn | er moko+sd; |
| 05:18.53 | ntfn | i'm retardely messed up |
| 05:19.29 | ntfn | smoko-kernel/2007-October/000306.html - Similar pages |
| 05:19.29 | ntfn | Xorg / Glamo ? |
| 05:20.10 | ntfn | so anyway (sorry pastecache) |
| 05:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | apt: glamo is also a piece of shit |
| 05:20.59 | apt | DocScrutinizer: please, watch your language. |
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| 05:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | pfff |
| 05:21.24 | ntfn | :D |
| 05:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~die |
| 05:21.54 | apt | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
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| 05:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~glamo |
| 05:23.39 | apt | glamo is probably http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster |
| 05:23.42 | ntfn | somedude >"i heard from a friend that glamo is cool and all opengl-es but i never saw the fruits of it" |
| 05:25.07 | raster | ntfn: and that friend read anything about the chip other than what was on the "brochure" sheet...? |
| 05:25.27 | ntfn | i dunno the openmoko wiki aswell |
| 05:25.31 | pundiramit | thats more than I was looking for :) thanks... btw can't we put all this info (3D limitations) on openmoko wiki.. it may be beneficial for the next rookie |
| 05:26.53 | raster | its a wiki |
| 05:26.56 | raster | anyone can put info there |
| 05:27.01 | raster | go ahead and put it there |
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| 05:28.26 | pundiramit | ok i will do that |
| 05:31.27 | ntfn | :D |
| 05:31.46 | ntfn | i still think my phones the bomb |
| 05:32.07 | ntfn | i need to do that buzz fix |
| 05:32.18 | ntfn | *still* |
| 05:33.44 | ntfn | though we could talk about what to buy into next |
| 05:34.07 | ntfn | how are those other phones running illume |
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| 07:26.10 | munga | can anybody give me a pointer to the current opimd git repo (if there is one) ? |
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| 07:34.27 | PaulFertser | munga: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git |
| 07:35.45 | munga | duh !! it's a subsytem of frameworkd ! thanks :) |
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| 07:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | munga: it starts with o and ends with d ;-) |
| 07:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | OD of o and d |
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| 07:44.30 | munga | yes, I tought it wasn't integrated yet in the main tree ... |
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| 08:30.57 | rhaeder | morning :) |
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| 08:43.48 | yan | bad luck,make fso-gta02-milestone5-image fail |
| 08:44.39 | yan | log is,ERROR: Could not include required file sato-icon-theme.inc while parsing sato-icon-theme_0.1.bb |
| 08:45.03 | yan | i do find those two files in same dir |
| 08:46.12 | Feisar | hi, where can I download the edje-tools? |
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| 09:20.13 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 09:22.35 | badcloud | hey |
| 09:23.08 | badcloud | fso 5.1 illume doesn't come with much, does it? I only got htop, snapshot, numpty and terminal |
| 09:24.14 | dns_ | use shr that is fso illume based and it has apps included |
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| 09:28.34 | badcloud | with shr I can't receive sms's that were sent to me before I power up |
| 09:29.25 | dns53 | but it works in fos? isn't it the same software? |
| 09:29.53 | badcloud | I can't pinpoint where the fault is |
| 09:32.00 | billk | ERROR: '/home/moko/SHR/shr-testing/shr/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-contacts_git.bb' failed |
| 09:32.08 | billk | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 09:32.15 | billk | building shr-testing |
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| 09:41.19 | badcloud | dns53, it's probably the phone stacks they use |
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| 10:05.07 | badcloud | no gsm on fso 5.1ms under stable kernel? |
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| 10:06.15 | badcloud | nm |
| 10:06.27 | badcloud | it requires zhone to be run... :P |
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| 10:07.07 | gfather | hello guys |
| 10:07.19 | gfather | does the media player on shr work ? |
| 10:07.26 | badcloud | pythm? |
| 10:07.35 | gfather | and with headphones |
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| 10:08.02 | badcloud | I've heard it works with headphones |
| 10:08.15 | badcloud | I'm gonna try headphones now on fso 5.1 |
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| 10:10.46 | gfather | well and it seems, there is no media player :) |
| 10:10.53 | gfather | any recomindation ? |
| 10:10.57 | gfather | and a web browser to |
| 10:12.38 | gfather | where should i enter wifi info ? |
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| 10:13.47 | badcloud | mplayer |
| 10:13.50 | badcloud | minimo/dillo |
| 10:14.11 | badcloud | one sec |
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| 10:25.07 | rhaeder | VLC is also a nice player :) but you need to find small players, else they won't fit in the memory |
| 10:26.14 | badcloud | regarding wifi info, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:26.32 | badcloud | (and) wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 10:26.40 | badcloud | but you should read up |
| 10:27.03 | badcloud | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko |
| 10:27.12 | badcloud | anyone get minimo up and running in fso? |
| 10:27.19 | badcloud | tried --force-depends |
| 10:28.38 | badcloud | dillo won't install either |
| 10:28.57 | bruce_c | any idea if Tremor runs well/at all on the Freerunner? |
| 10:29.20 | gfather | i just opkg mplayer |
| 10:29.24 | gfather | but nothing shows |
| 10:29.32 | gfather | does it need frontend ? |
| 10:29.43 | bruce_c | does the freerunner have hardware floating-point? |
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| 10:30.22 | gfather | rhaeder vlc work good on om ? |
| 10:30.34 | badcloud | I'm guessing vlc would be kinda slow |
| 10:31.46 | bruce_c | vlc's slow on my Athlon XP 2800+ system |
| 10:31.56 | bruce_c | mplayer works much better |
| 10:32.23 | rhaeder | ok :) |
| 10:32.32 | gfather | i just installe dmplayer |
| 10:32.36 | gfather | i just installed mplayer |
| 10:32.43 | gfather | what frontend should i use ? |
| 10:35.50 | gfather | ill try this http://www.opkg.org/package_21.html |
| 10:37.21 | gfather | damn it wont show to ? |
| 10:40.02 | husku | gfather: intone is a decent mp3 player. much better than pythm (imo) |
| 10:40.24 | gfather | only mp3 , no video ? |
| 10:40.54 | gfather | husku i want video more than audio |
| 10:41.11 | husku | gfather: only music. the creator is starting to work on videoplayer also, but i have not tested anything yet... |
| 10:41.48 | gfather | husku any recomnd for video player ? |
| 10:42.19 | husku | gfather: no, i've used plain mplayer-xglamo but only twice :) |
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| 10:45.14 | gfather | husku i just installed mplayer , but it not showing ? |
| 10:45.40 | husku | gfather: plain mplayer does not have gui :) |
| 10:46.12 | gfather | husku i just installed http://www.opkg.org/package_21.html |
| 10:46.20 | gfather | as a front end , didnt show to |
| 10:46.25 | gfather | any other front end ? |
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| 10:50.18 | husku | gfather: i dont know |
| 10:51.30 | gfather | :S |
| 10:51.41 | gfather | im trying pythm now |
| 10:56.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r9a6069992625 10/ (ChangeLog gsm0710mux/channel.vala gsm0710mux/transport.vala): |
| 10:56.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Prohibit reding (hence transferring more input) for a virtual channel, if the modem sets |
| 10:56.09 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: the FC bit for this line. |
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| 10:59.03 | gfather | whats the vlc package name ? |
| 10:59.24 | husku | gfather: pythm is only for music also... afaik |
| 10:59.46 | gfather | yes , i figured that out :( |
| 11:00.06 | gfather | damn , its like nothing available for video playback |
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| 11:06.57 | gfather | im trying this now http://www.opkg.org/package_203.html |
| 11:08.56 | badcloud | can't get this 2.5mm adapter to work right |
| 11:09.02 | badcloud | Motorola E398 |
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| 11:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud: where's the problem? either it's the correct adapther (see wiki. think I elaborated on pinout there) or you'll never get it to work |
| 11:14.51 | badcloud | well, I can hear from it when it goes in 2/3 of the way |
| 11:15.11 | badcloud | and once by chance the speaker went off and the headset worked completely |
| 11:15.15 | badcloud | (all the way in) |
| 11:15.37 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r89e9e7be8ca2 10/src/Makefile.am: fix typo in Makefile.am |
| 11:15.39 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r50079c58e6f4 10/ (AUTHORS MAINTAINERS): |
| 11:15.39 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Add required MAINTAINERS file. The tarball for this release is now at |
| 11:15.39 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ |
| 11:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | so it's wrong adapter or wrong pinout of headset/phones |
| 11:16.18 | gfather | badcloud well i should have origonal one for om , and yes it dosent work right |
| 11:16.32 | gfather | hae to be half way or 2/3 to get it full working |
| 11:16.44 | gfather | and when i put it , speakers from om dont stop |
| 11:16.55 | badcloud | I knew it |
| 11:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | usual e.t is (from tip to base): left, right,(mic), gnd |
| 11:17.17 | badcloud | I bought the M. E398 adapter because a few months back it was on the wiki page |
| 11:17.21 | badcloud | now it's gone... |
| 11:17.38 | gfather | i have the om headset bought from pluster |
| 11:17.48 | Wonka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#Analog_wired_Headset |
| 11:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | gfather: that's nonsense. sorry |
| 11:18.10 | gfather | DocScrutinizer ? |
| 11:19.47 | gfather | http://www.pulster.de/ |
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| 11:23.31 | badcloud | can't get the volume app to work on fso |
| 11:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | speaker (one!) can't switch off if jack isn't completely inserted. speaker mode will result in sound on one channel of headset only. insert jack all the way! if userland doesn't correctly switch to headset mode, do 'alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoheadset.state restore' -> headset will work *real* stereo |
| 11:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | and speaker mutes |
| 11:30.21 | badcloud | no such file |
| 11:30.51 | DocScrutinizer | so correct the spelling please :-/ |
| 11:31.28 | badcloud | right |
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| 11:31.32 | badcloud | sorry :) |
| 11:32.52 | badcloud | ok, tried it but no dice |
| 11:33.56 | badcloud | wait, headset.state worked |
| 11:34.00 | badcloud | nice |
| 11:35.20 | badcloud | not very strong output |
| 11:35.26 | badcloud | but great nonetheless |
| 11:35.30 | badcloud | thanks! |
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| 11:38.24 | badcloud | which is the default scenareo? |
| 11:38.35 | badcloud | *scenario |
| 11:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like default |
| 11:40.52 | badcloud | right |
| 11:40.57 | badcloud | well then, for handset |
| 11:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | usually you'll want *speaker*.state to playback clicks and ringtones |
| 11:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | for phone u usually need gsmhandset.state |
| 11:42.04 | DocScrutinizer | for phone via wired headset: gsmheadset.state |
| 11:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | I bet u guessed that one |
| 11:42.36 | badcloud | sure |
| 11:42.54 | badcloud | but now there's no sound playback from the speaker after restoring the handset |
| 11:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | gsmhandset is for GSM via earpiece |
| 11:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | usually you'll want *speaker*.state to playback clicks and ringtones |
| 11:43.57 | badcloud | ah, should have guessed that |
| 11:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | usually FSO should do all this switching for you. I suspect the alsactrrl bug is still around |
| 11:45.58 | badcloud | well, I can't seem to get sound from the speaker now |
| 11:46.01 | badcloud | the headset works |
| 11:46.41 | badcloud | wait |
| 11:46.52 | badcloud | 'stereoout' is the one for speaker output |
| 11:47.01 | badcloud | weird, I'd have thought it to be mono |
| 11:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | remove headset plug, 'alsactl -f ..bla../*speaker*.state restore' |
| 11:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | ok, sorry. yeah its probably stereoout. it's been stereo on 1973 |
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| 11:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | still on FR it's actually mono as you got one speaker only |
| 11:50.46 | badcloud | right |
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| 12:32.10 | spaetz | ok, I have a BT headset now. mmh, how to connect it to the FR |
| 12:32.14 | spaetz | checks OM wiki |
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| 14:12.21 | bipak_ | does om2009 come with the gms reregistering workaround? |
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| 14:13.59 | Think-Free | Hi ! Is there a way to put the wireless chip in master mode ? I want to turn the phone into an access point ... |
| 14:14.05 | mwester | nope |
| 14:15.11 | Think-Free | no way to turn it to an access point :( |
| 14:15.19 | bipak_ | mwester: the answer was for Think-Free I suppose? |
| 14:16.56 | mwester | Answer was for Think-Free --- I have no idea what workaround you speak of. |
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| 14:17.18 | ndnihil | bipak_: the 1024 bug? |
| 14:18.48 | Think-Free | I found that package : http://www.opkg.org/package_176.html who seems to do what I want but I'm using debian and it doesn't work |
| 14:19.10 | Think-Free | so i suppose it's possible manually ... |
| 14:19.12 | bipak_ | ndnihil: yes |
| 14:20.15 | ndnihil | Think-Free: not sure what kernel you're using, but there are bugs in the wifi driver/module |
| 14:20.16 | lord-carlos | Think-Free: ad-hoc ist not master mode |
| 14:21.15 | Think-Free | An acces point isn't in ad-hoc and that seems to provide an access point |
| 14:21.59 | Think-Free | with ad-hoc you can only have one client |
| 14:24.00 | lord-carlos | no |
| 14:24.16 | lord-carlos | you can have more then one clent with ad-hoc |
| 14:24.19 | lord-carlos | *client |
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| 14:25.05 | Think-Free | so if i turn the card to ad-hoc I can provide internet access to more than one client ? |
| 14:25.20 | lord-carlos | yes |
| 14:25.27 | Think-Free | great :) |
| 14:25.34 | Think-Free | i will try it :) |
| 14:25.38 | Think-Free | tks |
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| 14:32.14 | brian_ | bipac wheres this 2009 u speak of? |
| 14:33.15 | bipak_ | brian_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ |
| 14:33.38 | bipak_ | slaxxer: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 |
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| 14:34.59 | slaxxer | ok i have unstable an it works well an has zhone an paroli working |
| 14:35.24 | slaxxer | 2.6.29 kernel |
| 14:35.33 | bipak_ | ah ok |
| 14:35.42 | slaxxer | thanks |
| 14:35.51 | bipak_ | are you affected by the #1024 bug? |
| 14:36.19 | slaxxer | reregerstring? |
| 14:36.24 | bipak_ | yea |
| 14:36.31 | slaxxer | no not at all |
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| 14:36.50 | slaxxer | i have a v5 phone |
| 14:36.54 | bipak_ | never? |
| 14:36.59 | bipak_ | hm i have v6 |
| 14:37.09 | slaxxer | well i did back on 2008.8 |
| 14:37.56 | bipak_ | so you say unstable works "stable"? :) |
| 14:38.27 | bipak_ | on the community list somebody mentioned that it will be possibly break in the coming days |
| 14:38.30 | slaxxer | i havent tried wifi but yes it works ok |
| 14:39.08 | slaxxer | i used daily from a few days ago |
| 14:39.30 | ndnihil | what kernel are you using that wifi works under? |
| 14:39.34 | bipak_ | ok cool with zhone or paroli? |
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| 14:39.56 | slaxxer | both are on there an working |
| 14:40.03 | PaulFertser | bipak_: om2009 uses FSO, that means it has a workaround for #1024. |
| 14:40.13 | bipak_ | PaulFertser: ah ok, great |
| 14:40.22 | slaxxer | paroli comes out of suspend very fast |
| 14:41.15 | bipak_ | i mist some sms with zhone already :( |
| 14:41.15 | PaulFertser | bipak_: but if you often experience it, it's better to disable calypso deep sleep in config once and for all (instead of adaptive behaviour). |
| 14:41.22 | bipak_ | maybe switching to paroli is the better idea |
| 14:41.37 | bipak_ | PaulFertser: a it can be changed in a config? great :) |
| 14:41.39 | bipak_ | where? |
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| 15:21.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, I've got A2DP working really nicely. |
| 15:21.38 | bipak_ | whats it |
| 15:21.39 | bipak_ | ? |
| 15:21.48 | Digital_Pioneer | My FR now works very well as a portable media player. |
| 15:22.09 | max_posedon | Digital_Pioneer, what software do you suggest? |
| 15:22.11 | Digital_Pioneer | Bluetooth profile. Stereo sound and all that. :) |
| 15:22.54 | Digital_Pioneer | max_posedon: mplayer. You have to have a bluetooth device in your /etc/asound.conf (very easy to make) and a line in your ~/.mplayer/config to make it use bluetooth. |
| 15:23.05 | max_posedon | and may be anybody know, is it possible neo - a2dp - bluetooth - 3.5mm jack? |
| 15:23.57 | Digital_Pioneer | max_posedon: The FR has a 2.5mm jack, I believe. A2DP works for me, and that's just a specific protocol of bluetooth. |
| 15:24.59 | max_posedon | yes, I just want have some device |
| 15:25.17 | max_posedon | bluetooth device, where I can connect my phones |
| 15:25.25 | max_posedon | (need 3.5mm jack on it) |
| 15:25.41 | Digital_Pioneer | max_posedon: Bluetooth has no jacks. |
| 15:25.46 | max_posedon | s/phones/Headphones |
| 15:25.59 | max_posedon | as protocal - yes) |
| 15:26.02 | Digital_Pioneer | I just bought this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875978056 which may be a bit to pricey for you, but it's a great bluetooth headset. :P |
| 15:26.04 | max_posedon | but may be some device present |
| 15:26.29 | Digital_Pioneer | max_posedon: Unless you want to run a hardware mod, I hear headphones on the FR don't sound very good. :\ |
| 15:26.49 | max_posedon | Digital_Pioneer, you doesn't understand me) |
| 15:26.59 | Digital_Pioneer | No, I guess not... :( |
| 15:27.44 | max_posedon | "A[neo] - a2dp - B[bluetooth - 3.5mm jack]" <- I what B device |
| 15:28.14 | max_posedon | B will "speak" with neo by a2dp, and provide me 3.5mm jack |
| 15:31.03 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh. Why on earth would you want that?? P |
| 15:31.04 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 15:31.23 | Digital_Pioneer | I would think it would be easer to do the hardware mood. |
| 15:31.25 | Digital_Pioneer | *mod |
| 15:33.17 | max_posedon | I need this because I want use my Sennhieser HD555 headphones, |
| 15:33.34 | max_posedon | I already have 7mm -> 3,5mm jack converter |
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| 15:34.13 | max_posedon | if I'll add 3.5mm->2.5mm it will be more ugly and unusable |
| 15:34.29 | max_posedon | also, I think neo can't produce enough power for it |
| 15:34.49 | Digital_Pioneer | ROFL!! That would be hilarious. |
| 15:35.06 | max_posedon | so, such bloototh device with few power battery(3V?) can help me |
| 15:35.40 | Digital_Pioneer | I've never heard of such a device... A laptop will do it, but I don't know of any dedicated devices for it... |
| 15:36.03 | Digital_Pioneer | Doesn't mean they don't exist, by any means though. Good luck, wish I could point you in the right direction. |
| 15:36.43 | max_posedon | another solution, is just buy regular bluetooth device, and make it myself) |
| 15:36.53 | Digital_Pioneer | True. |
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| 15:38.26 | max_posedon | (actually I don't even dream about such device with 7mm jack) |
| 15:38.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, LOL |
| 15:38.42 | CVirus | hehe |
| 15:39.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Googling found me several devices that take 3.5mm input and transmit it over BT, but nothing that does what you need. |
| 15:39.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Where does shortom keep its config file? |
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| 15:54.24 | Gromgull | tell me - has the shr unstable/testing swap happened? |
| 15:54.37 | max_posedon | reflash |
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| 16:46.40 | beer_ | I am a bid confused. I tought that GTA03 was canceled but now someone hase made a mailing list to discusse idears for it (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/000011.html ) |
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| 16:47.50 | max_posedon | it wasn't canceled, it is postponed |
| 16:47.56 | beer_ | k |
| 16:48.04 | beer_ | how long? |
| 16:48.34 | max_posedon | who knows... |
| 16:49.09 | beer_ | the people who desicde when Debian is stable :) |
| 16:49.16 | beer_ | noone :) |
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| 17:04.18 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: no, gta03 was effectively canceled. Postponed is just a fancy way to say that. |
| 17:05.44 | beer_ | so why has someone made a mailing list to descusse gta03 if it has been canceled? |
| 17:05.46 | shellevil | wwhich doesn't mean discussion on future phones is entirely pointless. |
| 17:05.50 | shellevil | just mostly |
| 17:05.58 | max_posedon | I'm optimistic person, and I'm ready use neo say 3 years |
| 17:06.20 | max_posedon | 0.5 year already passed., so all what I want. smth interested to buy in 2.5 years |
| 17:06.40 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, I don't think that OM have so `long` plans. |
| 17:07.33 | azaghal | Is Om2009 worth a try? |
| 17:08.06 | beer_ | I dont noe about others but if there was a gta03-sort-of-phone (gta02 +something new -buzz) I would by it right now or whenever it is going to be released |
| 17:08.42 | unknown_lamer | har, and just to think there almost was a glamoless gta02 as gta03 ... |
| 17:08.44 | max_posedon | beer_, gta02A8 will released soon (-buzz) |
| 17:09.20 | beer_ | azaghal: I was using OM2009 around 2month ago and there it have someproblems when people caled. I dont know if it have been fixed by now |
| 17:09.30 | azaghal | beer_: Thanks ;) |
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| 17:10.02 | beer_ | azaghal: have you tried qt extended imrpoved? |
| 17:10.10 | azaghal | Hm... I don't think so. |
| 17:10.32 | beer_ | max_posedon: Then they just need to make some new on it |
| 17:11.13 | beer_ | azaghal: I like that bether than OM, but it is a mather of taste |
| 17:11.26 | azaghal | I might give Neovento a try. |
| 17:11.36 | azaghal | I still haven't tried that one :) |
| 17:11.43 | beer_ | tried that, it is simpe but nice |
| 17:11.45 | azaghal | I did try Qtopia earlier, though. |
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| 17:12.18 | beer_ | qt improved extened looks like qtopia 4.4.3 with a bit of bugfixing |
| 17:12.50 | beer_ | I have also tried Android but there was to much noise when I was taling with others |
| 17:14.11 | mwester | beer_: the "noise" is the gsm buzz, and is a hardware problem -- all distros will have that; it can only be fixed by a hardware fix. |
| 17:14.49 | beer_ | mwester: it was even worise than the gsm noise |
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| 17:15.32 | beer_ | normal I would not hear that noise bit on andorid I did, and people could not hear me. Normal they can but have problem |
| 17:15.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Anyone know if there's a way to make Intone change mplayer's nice to -10 or so? :P |
| 17:19.30 | max_posedon | Digital_Pioneer, are you sure that you want it? may be just increase cache value? |
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| 17:27.54 | ndnihil | mmcinit;ext2load mmc 0:1 0x10400000 /boot/uImage;bootm 0x10400000 |
| 17:28.07 | ndnihil | doh, sorry misdirected paste |
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| 17:37.42 | Digital_Pioneer | max_posedon: True.... |
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| 17:55.57 | beer_ | if gta03 is dead why are they still discusing it at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/thread.html ? |
| 17:56.11 | mirko-paroli | beer_: it isn't dead |
| 17:56.28 | mirko-paroli | it won't happen the way we all thought it would happen |
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| 17:57.48 | PaulFertser | beer_: they discuss a new project, basically. |
| 17:57.51 | beer_ | what is going to happen then? |
| 17:57.59 | beer_ | sound nice |
| 17:58.24 | beer_ | so that was the "plan b"-thing? |
| 17:59.22 | PaulFertser | beer_: plan b is unknown to general public yet. |
| 17:59.22 | bruce_c | beer_: it's secret at the moment - but yes, it's "plan b" |
| 17:59.39 | PaulFertser | beer_: nobody knows what is going to happen, future is hard to predict right. |
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| 18:00.42 | beer_ | yees it is but it is nice to know what the present looks like |
| 18:00.51 | shellevil | wants his present. |
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| 18:04.26 | PaulFertser | OT: does anybody know a simple way to clean laptop's heat sink (the hard being a full disassembly)? |
| 18:06.48 | bruce_c | compressed air? |
| 18:08.14 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: i'm afraid it will leave all the dust inside, and it will get back to the heat sink pretty soon. |
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| 18:12.10 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: possibly. Some will be removed, but it's possible it'll be blown into the PSU etc. causing more damage |
| 18:12.58 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: yes, that's another reason why i wouldn't try it. But the fact is: most laptops should be cleaned after about 1-2 years. And i can't believe all servicemen are going through painful complete disassembly procedure. |
| 18:13.29 | shellevil | soak in dilute antimatter. |
| 18:13.50 | shellevil | I've used a vacuum cleaner. |
| 18:14.00 | shellevil | sealed onto the fan outlet |
| 18:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: did the fan start to glow and smoke? |
| 18:14.50 | ndnihil | I was just going to ask that |
| 18:15.06 | ndnihil | I've burnt up fan bushings doing just that |
| 18:15.20 | PaulFertser | Oh fuck |
| 18:17.06 | shellevil | worked for me - on several fans, without issue. |
| 18:17.24 | shellevil | I can see it destroying fans - I wouldn't do it for more than a second |
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| 18:17.45 | PaulFertser | Second is definetely not enough for a 2-years dust layer. |
| 18:18.06 | ndnihil | as long as the vac doesnt make the fan spin too fast it should be fine |
| 18:18.24 | PaulFertser | "too fast" is the key word here. |
| 18:18.25 | ndnihil | they get unstable at ~12k rpm :) |
| 18:18.36 | PaulFertser | No consistent way to ensure that. |
| 18:18.46 | ndnihil | stick a paper clip in the fan blades through the vent slot |
| 18:18.52 | ndnihil | keep it from spinning |
| 18:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | considers starting a terrorist carreer. nmap==hackertool; searchengines==1Y prison (piratebay); german police going to censor DNS and you can't even control them. GRRRR >:-(( |
| 18:19.19 | Wonka | linux==suspicious |
| 18:19.26 | Gromgull | there was some simple fix when usb networking does not come up on the moko |
| 18:19.28 | Gromgull | ifup usb0? |
| 18:19.35 | Gromgull | doesn't quite seem to work |
| 18:19.36 | ndnihil | welcome to the NWO |
| 18:19.40 | Wonka | see blog.fefe.de and also the blog on schneier.com |
| 18:19.41 | bruce_c | heh symantec even flag netcat as a hacker tool |
| 18:19.46 | Gromgull | modprobe something? |
| 18:20.48 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: we should be careful not to have our FR panic in public - everyone knows small objects with blinking red LEDs are bombs |
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| 18:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | IDIOTS. I *hate* all those ignorant politicians |
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| 18:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | and the lazy third of people knowing better but not stopping then nevertheless |
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| 18:24.44 | mmontour | Gromgull: 'depmod -a' and then a reboot might be worth a try |
| 18:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | s/then/those politicians/ |
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| 19:31.25 | lakeman | guys I'm having problems following this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain , while installing perl-module-tie-refhash (libedje-dev dependency) it throws stupid error: sh: rm: command not found, I checked $PATH etc, everything is correct |
| 19:32.16 | PaulFertser | lakeman: sorry for not providing a solution, but most devs here use OE. |
| 19:33.05 | lakeman | ok ;( |
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| 19:49.15 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r280074afeaa1 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py: |
| 19:49.15 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix USB Host mode with latest kernels. Patch by Paul Fertser. |
| 19:49.15 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> |
| 19:49.35 | eolson1 | lakeman, you should check the wiki toolchain page for "Troubleshooting" or the "Talk" version of the page of the page. It sounds familiar, but I can't check at the moment. |
| 19:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: "fix usb"? what was it this time you broke? ;-D |
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| 19:59.50 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: usb hostmode didn't work because driver name changed from s3c2410-ohci to s3c-ohci. |
| 20:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | tztztz, can't you keep the the name? I told ya changing it every other week won't do any good ;D |
| 20:01.46 | PaulFertser | It wasn't me in the first place. And btw, it makes sense as this driver is generic and can be used on s3c6410 too. |
| 20:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | just kidding |
| 20:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | namespaces is a PITA, honestly (on OE) |
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| 20:04.03 | PaulFertser | Not that much if userspace followed kernel changes. And kernel devs announced user-space-visible changes. |
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| 20:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | yeah *IF* |
| 20:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | any API change always is evil |
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| 20:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | mwester will second this :) |
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| 20:08.19 | ndnihil | stabs atmel |
| 20:08.38 | ndnihil | bastards made hardware changes to the ngw100 when it worked perfectly fine previously |
| 20:08.58 | ndnihil | routed ground (I assume) to one of the pads around the mounting holes |
| 20:09.15 | ndnihil | sticking a metal screw in there shorts it out |
| 20:09.46 | ndnihil | a paper washer between the pad and standoff fixed it, but it's still annoying |
| 20:10.04 | ndnihil | previous version of the board doesn't have that problem |
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| 20:17.26 | mwester | See how annoying an API change is, even in "hardware APIs" ? :D ;p |
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| 22:00.35 | muxe | endlich samstag |
| 22:00.44 | muxe | whoops wrong channel ;) |
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| 22:07.31 | azaghal | I need a quick linky or comment on flashing Neo's internal flash memory from SD :) |
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| 22:07.53 | ndnihil | azaghal: dfu-util |
| 22:08.00 | ndnihil | oh wait, from sd? |
| 22:08.03 | azaghal | Yep |
| 22:08.04 | ndnihil | uboot |
| 22:08.09 | azaghal | qi :) |
| 22:08.17 | ndnihil | SOL :) |
| 22:08.25 | azaghal | Ok, now you lost me. |
| 22:08.31 | ndnihil | shit outta luck |
| 22:08.34 | PaulFertser | azaghal: nand_write |
| 22:08.35 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 22:08.45 | PaulFertser | azaghal: but before that nand_eraseall |
| 22:08.54 | azaghal | PaulFertser: It won't touch qi? |
| 22:08.55 | PaulFertser | azaghal: search wiki for nandwrite |
| 22:08.59 | azaghal | Ok, thanks |
| 22:09.06 | PaulFertser | azaghal: if you don't touch the Qi partition ;) |
| 22:09.11 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 22:09.41 | PaulFertser | azaghal: be careful, don't forget to erase the flash every time you're going to write to it. |
| 22:09.52 | azaghal | Ok |
| 22:10.33 | PaulFertser | azaghal: but if you have a freerunner, you can use NOR u-boot as well. |
| 22:10.52 | azaghal | Hm... But I replaced u-boot with qi? |
| 22:11.32 | PaulFertser | azaghal: not the NOR u-boot. |
| 22:11.54 | azaghal | Ah, it's kind of a backup chip or...? |
| 22:12.20 | azaghal | Just one more quick one - what was the size of FR internal flash again? 256? |
| 22:12.39 | azaghal | Yep, it is :) |
| 22:12.44 | azaghal | Wiki is a miracle, eh? ;) |
| 22:14.06 | PaulFertser | azaghal: NOR is like a safety measure. Special kind of flash you can run code from. And SoC is easily switched to boot from it by holding AUX during reset. |
| 22:14.09 | shellevil | A wiki, kept up-to-date and well organised is a miracle. |
| 22:14.16 | shellevil | runs screaming into the night. |
| 22:14.28 | azaghal | I have 3 bad blocks o.O |
| 22:14.33 | azaghal | shellevil: lol |
| 22:14.54 | PaulFertser | azaghal: NAND allows for some quantity of bad blocks. It's a cost-saving measure. |
| 22:15.23 | azaghal | PaulFertser: For .bin image (kernel) I do the same procedure? |
| 22:15.58 | PaulFertser | azaghal: i'd flash kernel from NOR u-boot if you can easily use dfu-util. |
| 22:16.17 | azaghal | Any reason why it shouldn't be done the same way? |
| 22:16.54 | PaulFertser | azaghal: nandwrite? No reason. If you're comfortable with it (and will not use a wrong partition), do it, just don't forget to erase. |
| 22:17.19 | azaghal | u-boot being the "partition" I want to use, right? |
| 22:17.29 | azaghal | Or is it "kernel" one? |
| 22:17.37 | shellevil | you're guaranteed that the first block will be error-free for 1000 writes, and that after 100000 writes over the whole device, the remaining unerrored blocks will exceed or equal the sticker capacity. |
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| 22:17.38 | PaulFertser | azaghal: u-boot is the bootloader partition, kernel is the kernel. |
| 22:17.42 | shellevil | or something like that |
| 22:18.18 | azaghal | Thanks for all the info ;) |
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| 22:24.07 | azaghal | Yay, FYP up and running :) |
| 22:24.58 | PaulFertser | azaghal: why FYP folks are not communicating with others? |
| 22:25.15 | azaghal | No idea. |
| 22:25.18 | azaghal | They're not? |
| 22:25.45 | PaulFertser | azaghal: never seen them anywhere. |
| 22:26.01 | azaghal | Hm... |
| 22:26.09 | azaghal | Maybe they have their own channel? |
| 22:26.12 | PaulFertser | azaghal: there're rumors they're using questionable methods of building a distro (like changing files outside of packages). |
| 22:26.29 | azaghal | I thought they use Debian as a base? |
| 22:26.44 | PaulFertser | azaghal: yes, but rumors say they use it improperly |
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| 22:27.29 | azaghal | Hm... It could be it's a small group? |
| 22:27.41 | azaghal | Anyway, need to get some sleep before I head out to USA tomorrow :) |
| 22:27.46 | azaghal | Thanks for all the help ;) |
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| 22:32.57 | badcloud | hey all |
| 22:33.40 | badcloud | zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 22:35.27 | azaghal | zzzz it is :) |
| 22:43.57 | badcloud | still trying to figure out how to lock the screen in fso |
| 22:44.23 | badcloud | so it doesn't skip every time something touches the touchscreen while playing a media file in mplayer |
| 22:45.24 | badcloud | but at least the headphone adapter works (phew) |
| 22:48.33 | badcloud | it's near impossible to install anything from opkg.org though |
| 22:52.48 | shellevil | badcloud: nice? |
| 22:53.02 | badcloud | nice? |
| 22:53.18 | badcloud | am I nice, you mean? |
| 22:54.54 | badcloud | shellevil? |
| 22:56.51 | shellevil | badcloud: no, nice |
| 22:57.26 | badcloud | ah |
| 22:57.28 | badcloud | gotcha |
| 22:57.31 | badcloud | yeah, quite nice |
| 22:57.43 | badcloud | for the first time, my fr is acting like a real phone |
| 22:58.07 | shellevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.13 | badcloud | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:58.26 | badcloud | can you elaborate? :) |
| 23:01.29 | badcloud | nm, I'll do a bit of research |
| 23:01.33 | badcloud | thanks though :) |
| 23:02.11 | shellevil | nice -n -10 mplayer |
| 23:02.22 | shellevil | will run mplayer at higher than normal priority |
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| 23:02.50 | badcloud | can't seem to install nice |
| 23:03.50 | badcloud | have a link? |
| 23:04.37 | shellevil | it should be on there |
| 23:04.40 | shellevil | type nice |
| 23:04.45 | shellevil | or ssh/... |
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| 23:05.14 | badcloud | none |
| 23:05.22 | badcloud | using fso 5.1 |
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| 23:06.25 | badcloud | ... |
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| 23:08.08 | badcloud | RENICE |
| 23:08.11 | shellevil | odd - it's a very standard tool |
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| 23:10.45 | badcloud | renice seems to be available, but renice -n -18 mplayer doesn't seem to work |
| 23:12.59 | shellevil | is it dribing te audio directly, or does it go through pulseaudio or something |
| 23:14.38 | badcloud | got me there |
| 23:15.48 | badcloud | I'm just gonna try and install pythm; set it up via pythm.conf |
| 23:19.41 | badcloud | didn't work |
| 23:19.42 | badcloud | nuts |
| 23:20.03 | husku | badcloud: intone is better than pythm (imho) |
| 23:20.17 | badcloud | tried installing that too with no avail |
| 23:20.31 | badcloud | I've never owned a smartphone that was so dumb |
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| 23:22.02 | badcloud | I wanna be the dumb one of the two |
| 23:22.13 | badcloud | the phone's should compensate |
| 23:22.15 | husku | imo. freerunners concept is much smarter than any other "smart phone" |
| 23:22.16 | badcloud | *phone |
| 23:22.21 | badcloud | I know... |
| 23:22.43 | badcloud | but you have to know what you're doing for anything to work propery |
| 23:22.46 | badcloud | *properly |
| 23:23.01 | husku | like with everything else in life |
| 23:23.28 | husku | you cant drive a car in downtown, without knowing the rules. :p |
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| 23:23.56 | badcloud | I'm never going to get to enjoy my phone |
| 23:24.12 | badcloud | well, I'm off to sleep |
| 23:24.15 | badcloud | laterz |
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