| 00:01.08 | *** join/#openmoko badcloud (i=536c94b0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-19a20aab11488d7a) |
| 00:01.24 | badcloud | so who was it who made a bet how long it would take me to go back to shr? |
| 00:01.27 | badcloud | I'm back |
| 00:01.31 | badcloud | after like two hours |
| 00:01.41 | badcloud | but not for the reasons you think |
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| 00:05.14 | badcloud | something always amusing with irc channels is saying something just for the hell of seeing how many people there are awake, in front of their computer, and actually give a crap |
| 00:05.46 | badcloud | it's like dropping a dime into a deep deep well hoping to get a far away *plunk* |
| 00:06.10 | badcloud | but sometimes it's just another 10 cents you could have saved |
| 00:06.37 | badcloud | I should have been a writer for playboy |
| 00:08.08 | badcloud | how's it hanging, Maestro? |
| 00:09.54 | [df] | deep and momentous |
| 00:10.44 | badcloud | why thank you |
| 00:11.03 | [df] | no, thank *you* |
| 00:11.25 | badcloud | ummmm, for what? |
| 00:11.38 | [df] | hell knows, what were you thanking me for? |
| 00:11.53 | badcloud | I dunno, I thought you were paying me a compliment |
| 00:12.09 | [df] | nah, I was just telling you how it was hanging |
| 00:12.31 | badcloud | ah, I see |
| 00:12.42 | badcloud | I was directing my question to daMaestro |
| 00:12.46 | badcloud | but that's cool |
| 00:12.53 | [df] | ah |
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| 00:13.05 | [df] | well I was also indicating that you weren't the only person alive on the channel ;) |
| 00:13.20 | badcloud | thanks for that |
| 00:13.37 | badcloud | I'm watching David Lynch's dumbland |
| 00:13.46 | badcloud | *weird* |
| 00:14.34 | [df] | googles |
| 00:15.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | riddick here |
| 00:15.14 | badcloud | 1 or 2? |
| 00:15.45 | eolson | are they both good? |
| 00:15.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | chronicles |
| 00:16.19 | badcloud | sure |
| 00:16.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | if pitch been 1, I guess this is 2 |
| 00:16.42 | badcloud | right |
| 00:16.47 | badcloud | Pitch Black is 1 |
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| 00:18.24 | eolson | saw part of chronicles. difficult to get to watch the whole thing with younger kids around |
| 00:19.08 | badcloud | who's hotter, the chick from Pitch or from Chronicles? |
| 00:19.37 | badcloud | whoops, there are two in Chronicles |
| 00:19.46 | badcloud | the black one and the teen |
| 00:19.55 | badcloud | out of the three? |
| 00:24.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | dunno, just watching. Also seem to forgot chick of pitch |
| 00:24.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | anyway dvbt SUCKS |
| 00:24.52 | badcloud | dvbt? |
| 00:25.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | artifactostrumium |
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| 00:25.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | DVB-terrestrial |
| 00:25.56 | badcloud | I see |
| 00:25.59 | badcloud | why? |
| 00:26.06 | DocScrutinizer2 | tiles on every move |
| 00:26.14 | badcloud | ich |
| 00:26.47 | badcloud | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1111968/ |
| 00:26.54 | badcloud | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628601/ |
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| 00:27.13 | badcloud | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0593664/ |
| 00:27.26 | badcloud | those are the three girls from the two Riddick movies |
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| 00:30.02 | Dave | badcloud :) |
| 00:30.23 | badcloud | hey dao |
| 00:30.26 | badcloud | *Davo |
| 00:30.33 | badcloud | what's new? |
| 00:31.28 | Dave | Uhh |
| 00:31.38 | Dave | Certainly nothing pertaining to Openmoko ¬_¬ |
| 00:32.05 | badcloud | god, how annoying is that |
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| 01:08.37 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9e659baf58f1 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/helpers.py: ogsmd: helpers: secure killall against races |
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| 01:48.43 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4919 10/developers/werner/wlan/tomato/ (66 files in 8 dirs): Experiments related to #1250 |
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| 01:51.44 | white_gecko | hello |
| 01:51.57 | white_gecko | where can i find the svgs for the shr icons? |
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| 02:07.10 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4920 10/developers/werner/wlan/tomato/README: README: explain why there are multiple files. |
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| 02:36.53 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4921 10/developers/werner/bqmeter/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Coulomb-counter based power meter. Work in progress. |
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| 02:37.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | werner! :D |
| 02:40.38 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4922 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/ (decode.py dxplore.py meter.py): |
| 02:40.38 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - added experimental I2C decoding (note: dual-edged trigger is the wrong |
| 02:40.38 | CIA-49 | openmoko: approach. Should just give the decoder the raw bitstream and let it |
| 02:40.38 | CIA-49 | openmoko: figure out what makes sense as a trigger. That approach will also work |
| 02:40.40 | CIA-49 | openmoko: for protocols with a hidden timebase, such as RS-232.) |
| 02:40.42 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - basic access functions for multimeters. Work in progress. |
| 02:42.24 | Dave | haha, sweet |
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| 02:53.08 | hajmola | does the newest FSO have the ability to import contacts? |
| 02:57.36 | orzo | fso is unaware of contacts |
| 02:57.55 | orzo | that'd depend on your UI |
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| 02:58.23 | orzo | it's doable with scripts anyway |
| 02:58.59 | orzo | FSO does provide an interface to the SIM's addressbook |
| 03:02.09 | hajmola | orzo... i have a vcf file with all my contacts on it... do you know of any scripts to import it? |
| 03:03.05 | Dave | orzo! |
| 03:04.28 | orzo | dave |
| 03:04.33 | orzo | hows it |
| 03:04.54 | orzo | i dont know what vcf is, hajmola |
| 03:05.03 | orzo | you wouldnt be importing into fso |
| 03:05.17 | orzo | you'd be importing into zhone or kapula or whatever openmoko uses |
| 03:05.24 | hajmola | yeah |
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| 03:05.39 | orzo | kapula has a very simple text file address book |
| 03:05.39 | hajmola | .vcf is vcard format, it's a standard PIM format |
| 03:06.42 | orzo | if you can extract your vcard info and just into a text file as name:number, then you'd be done |
| 03:06.42 | hajmola | ok, i guess i'll stick with 2008.12 |
| 03:06.52 | hajmola | orzo... oh yeah that makes sense |
| 03:07.26 | orzo | i use debian |
| 03:07.26 | orzo | heh |
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| 03:09.36 | frankS2 | still no new OM? |
| 03:09.43 | frankS2 | i cant live with it as it is |
| 03:09.45 | frankS2 | to unstable |
| 03:09.59 | frankS2 | too |
| 03:10.57 | slaxxin | what 2998.12? |
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| 03:11.02 | slaxxin | 00 |
| 03:11.32 | orzo | 2008.12 isnt even available to gta01 devices last i heard |
| 03:12.03 | slaxxin | maybe 2009.xx will be |
| 03:12.22 | orzo | too late now |
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| 03:12.52 | slaxxin | orzo i installes qi then did the debian install but it wont boot debian |
| 03:13.21 | orzo | i did mine from a rootfs image |
| 03:13.37 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.59 | slaxxin | hackable1? |
| 03:14.24 | orzo | of course |
| 03:14.59 | orzo | do you use gta01? |
| 03:15.10 | slaxxin | no |
| 03:15.12 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 03:15.28 | slaxxin | i wasnt listining |
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| 03:33.18 | Dave | moo |
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| 03:49.27 | Slaxxer | koo |
| 03:49.57 | Slaxxer | was it a bad storm dave |
| 03:50.40 | Slaxxer | we had naders |
| 03:56.25 | Dave | heh |
| 03:56.33 | Dave | yeah it's been CRAZY windy here all day |
| 03:56.44 | Dave | shit is down all over the place (mostly small branches and trashcans) :P |
| 03:59.05 | slaxxin | that ice stopr killed us |
| 03:59.12 | slaxxin | storm |
| 04:00.03 | Dave | :D |
| 04:00.05 | Dave | cool |
| 04:00.13 | Dave | (but yeah, deadly/dangerous) |
| 04:00.38 | slaxxin | house fires everywhere |
| 04:00.44 | Dave | :O |
| 04:01.00 | Dave | you okay, man? |
| 04:01.18 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.26 | slaxxin | ah ya |
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| 04:02.15 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.25 | slaxxin | 15 |
| 04:02.36 | slaxxin | that did suck |
| 04:03.45 | slaxxin | trying the latest shr |
| 04:04.26 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.52 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:44.53 | methril | good morning |
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| 09:41.25 | spaetz | morning |
| 09:42.00 | jc_ | hey there |
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| 09:59.20 | rzr | hi |
| 09:59.42 | rzr | what are the most recent images to be used w/ qemu ? |
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| 10:01.24 | henk | i get that error with shr when trying to start dialer, addressbook, whatever... any ideas? |
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| 14:52.49 | toggles_w | sweet, i finally got gprs!! |
| 14:52.58 | toggles_w | any recomendations on a mail client? |
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| 14:54.23 | niv | *G* |
| 14:54.27 | niv | evolution? *duck+ |
| 14:54.36 | toggles_w | ~_~ |
| 14:54.36 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:54.46 | niv | or more seriously alpine? |
| 14:55.26 | niv | alpine with mouse-in-console-support works on my freerunner |
| 14:55.49 | toggles_w | niv: thanks, will look |
| 14:58.17 | niv | well its the successor of pine.. so if you don't like pine you most certainly won't like alpine |
| 15:01.43 | henk | toggles_w: claws-mail |
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| 15:03.59 | toggles_w | henk: thanks, thats a hell of a client ;-) |
| 15:06.07 | henk | toggles_w: what do you mean? |
| 15:06.51 | toggles_w | henk: looks heavy weight, lots of config etc |
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| 15:09.39 | herby | hi - please...how can I enter the pin of my gsm simcard with the standard software? there are only characters to choose... no numbers. and there is no menuentry in the settings menu..? |
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| 15:11.44 | niv | herby: zhone lets me enter my pin flawlessly |
| 15:12.00 | herby | niv: how? |
| 15:12.16 | niv | well there is a sim auth dialog with a num-pad |
| 15:12.32 | herby | niv: there's a dialog with a keyboard on the screen... but there are only characters on my freerunner... |
| 15:12.50 | niv | well on my freerunner there are numbers. |
| 15:12.53 | niv | only numbers. |
| 15:12.57 | niv | *shrug* |
| 15:13.16 | herby | strange... just ordered it at a german distributor... should be up to date.. |
| 15:13.37 | niv | my freerunner is about 3 weeks old |
| 15:13.38 | niv | :) |
| 15:13.55 | herby | anyone got any suggestions? |
| 15:13.56 | niv | and i use debian |
| 15:14.02 | niv | mh... software-update? |
| 15:14.09 | herby | on your freerunner? (debian) |
| 15:14.22 | herby | or on your computer..? |
| 15:14.23 | niv | herby: yes... with a 8 gb microsd |
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| 15:14.28 | herby | cool. |
| 15:14.29 | niv | on my freerunner. |
| 15:14.46 | herby | is there a tutorial for debian? |
| 15:14.51 | niv | yes, there is. |
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| 15:14.58 | herby | (to get some hints) |
| 15:15.00 | herby | cool |
| 15:15.12 | herby | let me guess... i will find that at the wiki? ;) |
| 15:15.14 | niv | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 15:15.18 | herby | perfect. |
| 15:15.21 | henk | toggles_w: afaict it is rather configurable, but not really big or something. when i installed it, apt had to get 3M of packages. compare that to evolution or modest. (apropos 'tinymail': haha) |
| 15:15.21 | herby | thanks a lot. |
| 15:15.22 | niv | there is a link to the debian-wiki |
| 15:15.36 | niv | i currently have lxde running there. |
| 15:15.44 | niv | but i plan to run awesome there. |
| 15:15.46 | henk | <- fvwm |
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| 15:16.54 | niv | just take something with window decoration... to get rid of fullscreen windows which aparrently are not closable |
| 15:16.54 | herby | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.10 | niv | well, even with standard OS i had no problem. |
| 15:17.16 | tig| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.27 | toggles_w | henk: thanks |
| 15:17.39 | herby | but... so i have to do that later.. (guess i will hang around in this chat in the future..) |
| 15:17.40 | niv | the sim auth dialog on om 2008.8 is also with a numpad |
| 15:17.40 | tig| | herby: Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 15:17.52 | herby | tig|: thanks |
| 15:18.52 | herby | tig|: i read the topic... but only the beginning :) my window was too small to read it completely... another thing i just learned... read the topic before asking questions. |
| 15:19.06 | tig| | heh :) |
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| 17:51.27 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.33 | kd8ikt | ? |
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| 18:06.32 | Gromgull | Hi all |
| 18:06.48 | Gromgull | why does FSO M5 or FSO unstable just dump me at the angstrom prompt with no X and no usb networking? :( |
| 18:07.24 | max_posedon | Gromgull, becouse you donwloaded console version? |
| 18:07.29 | Gromgull | nope |
| 18:07.38 | Gromgull | and even then I should have usb networking, or? |
| 18:08.07 | max_posedon | yes. you should) |
| 18:08.20 | Gromgull | this: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/om-gta02/ |
| 18:08.31 | Gromgull | has three options, console-image, illume-image and just image |
| 18:08.43 | Gromgull | what is the just image one? |
| 18:08.54 | Gromgull | it's bigger than the illume |
| 18:09.41 | Gromgull | and for the unstable images there are no options, they are all the same size |
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| 18:22.07 | Gromgull | fixed it by chosing boot from the qi menu... rather than just letting it boot |
| 18:22.08 | Gromgull | weird |
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| 18:25.24 | PaulFert1er | Gromgull: qi menu? |
| 18:25.52 | Gromgull | qi the bootloader |
| 18:25.55 | Gromgull | or hang on |
| 18:25.56 | Gromgull | no no |
| 18:25.59 | Gromgull | I am crazy of course |
| 18:26.08 | Gromgull | the NAND NOR whatever it's called menu :) |
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| 18:30.37 | PaulFert1er | Gromgull: NAND and NOR are mutually exclusive |
| 18:31.20 | Gromgull | :) |
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| 19:11.59 | WhiteCat | hello evrybody |
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| 19:19.17 | WhiteCat | hey i have got some info about GTA02A7 |
| 19:19.51 | PaulFertser | WhiteCat: are you going to share? ;) |
| 19:20.02 | WhiteCat | its shipping is going to get started by the end of this Feb |
| 19:20.24 | WhiteCat | today i talked to one of the Reseller |
| 19:20.30 | WhiteCat | he told me this |
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| 19:21.20 | WhiteCat | in GTA02A7 ..they have completely removed the GSM buzz problem |
| 19:22.09 | WhiteCat | does anybody have any more info about GTA02A7 features |
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| 19:23.02 | WhiteCat | heloooo...anybody out there |
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| 19:24.34 | sandsmark | what host should I use when configuring? |
| 19:24.51 | PaulFertser | WhiteCat: i guess they are tired of endless useless discussions about gta revisions ;) |
| 19:25.22 | WhiteCat | so wht thety want to discuss |
| 19:27.29 | WhiteCat | everybody sleeping |
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| 19:58.59 | WhiteCat | ::::)))))) |
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| 20:05.52 | docscrutinizer2 | PaulFertser: you can't immagine HOW tired |
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| 20:08.25 | PaulFertser | docscrutinizer2: i think i can't, true :( but i sympathize. |
| 20:09.20 | docscrutinizer2 | should have seen the madness I see day by day |
| 20:09.27 | docscrutinizer2 | ;) |
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| 20:11.14 | PaulFertser | Nah, people are doing thing all the time everywhere in every respect. It's just many are to accustomed to that and they don't see how absurd is life and what they do |
| 20:11.39 | docscrutinizer2 | kike "we can't do at fab what customers are happily willing to *learn*" |
| 20:12.38 | docscrutinizer2 | maybe we should ship kits |
| 20:16.07 | PaulFertser | Twisted mass-production-centric POI, that's it, i guess. |
| 20:16.07 | PaulFertser | But proper mass-production involves making something that will reasonably work every time, it should be reproducible and reliable. Probably they don't have the expertise to deliver it. |
| 20:16.50 | PaulFertser | (kits) was great in old times, when everyone could by a kit and solder a pc for himself. Unique construction, unique bugs, unique experience. :) the time has changed, everyone wants portable sophisticated equipment, intepreted languages, stuff like that... They see how "fancy" commercial equipment is, of course they want to have the same... And i want too (sometimes). |
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| 20:19.11 | PaulFertser | OTOH hobby-ist electronics became more simple and more opportunities are open for anyone to easily use complex ICs that can deliver features and power consumption nobody could dream of 20 years before. One just needs to know how to etch PCBs and solder QFN ;) |
| 20:19.41 | docscrutinizer2 | yup |
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| 20:26.14 | PaulFertser | I've noticed that the life is absurd in general some time ago, i no longer wonder why people are doing senseless moves, make pointless decisions and so on... It just depresses me when people feel bad because of that stupidity :-/ |
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| 20:33.46 | PaulFertser | docscrutinizer2: can listening to Bob Marley cheer you up a bit? Or are you a Zappa-only fan? ;) |
| 20:34.29 | docscrutinizer2 | well sometimes (always?) this stupidity makes my dedication to delivering a decnt piese of hw to community a pita |
| 20:34.31 | mwester | Led Zeppilin |
| 20:35.05 | docscrutinizer2 | sisters of mercy :-) |
| 20:35.11 | mwester | shudders |
| 20:35.41 | docscrutinizer2 | cure (early ones) |
| 20:35.46 | docscrutinizer2 | cobain |
| 20:35.50 | PaulFertser | mwester: I don't know but i've been told, a big-legged woman ain't got no soul |
| 20:36.53 | docscrutinizer2 | and of course: zappa and king crimson |
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| 20:37.16 | docscrutinizer2 | kraftwerk |
| 20:38.12 | PaulFertser | mwester: they're sexist, aren't you ashamed ;) |
| 20:38.26 | docscrutinizer2 | but yeah, an occasional ledzep is very inspiring too |
| 20:38.53 | PaulFertser | mwester: "Most people people talking, few of them know: soul of the woman was created below" |
| 20:39.27 | docscrutinizer2 | B52s |
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| 20:40.58 | PaulFertser | I love LZ, once i walked around in my university and asked everybody: "how can you not love Led Zeppelin?" Most of them just answered: "What's that?". Heh. Led Zeppelin :) |
| 20:41.20 | docscrutinizer2 | new order, joy division, killing yole |
| 20:41.31 | docscrutinizer2 | err joke |
| 20:41.51 | PaulFertser | docscrutinizer2: I listen to Nirvana when i feel bad. Can't say that helps though :) |
| 20:42.08 | docscrutinizer2 | lol, surely true |
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| 20:46.10 | docscrutinizer2 | ideal natuerlich |
| 20:47.06 | PaulFertser | Oh, and i like Dire Straits a lot. From the first album to the last, so many wonderful songs. And i listened to some Jethro Tull of course; his flute on the concerts was not that great, but the songs are terrific. |
| 20:47.44 | docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 20:49.44 | docscrutinizer2 | so you also might like "gentle giant" |
| 20:51.19 | PaulFertser | docscrutinizer2: i don't think i've heard about it before, thanks for the recommendation :) |
| 20:51.57 | docscrutinizer2 | too ancient prolly. 60s i guess |
| 20:52.28 | docscrutinizer2 | loved them a lot in 74 |
| 20:53.13 | docscrutinizer2 | ah floyd of course, btw. my first record |
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| 20:53.39 | docscrutinizer2 | meddle |
| 20:55.05 | docscrutinizer2 | phillips tape to be precise ;) |
| 20:55.41 | docscrutinizer2 | aka musicassette |
| 20:56.11 | docscrutinizer2 | not very common any more today - lol |
| 20:56.32 | PaulFertser | Most music i love was written long before i was born. I think 60s and 70s were the golden age of music, no wonder so many people still love it. |
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| 20:57.11 | docscrutinizer2 | I grew up this time :D |
| 20:57.14 | thomasg | the best part is, that the best genre from this time is still alive :) |
| 20:57.23 | thomasg | prog rock ftw. |
| 20:58.43 | PaulFertser | BTW, i've recently tried to listen to the Velvet Underground, the album produced by Andy Warholl. I've listened to the whole album like 10 times, then understood that the most favourite my songs from it are about BDSM and heroin. I decided that it can hurt me and erased it from the player ;) |
| 20:58.54 | docscrutinizer2 | ledzep had a topten every other week back when |
| 20:59.14 | docscrutinizer2 | i seem to remember |
| 20:59.50 | PaulFertser | Was the life better back then, doc? |
| 21:00.34 | docscrutinizer2 | velvet - lol. did i mention its one of my most beloved bands ever? |
| 21:01.09 | docscrutinizer2 | (better?) different |
| 21:01.42 | PaulFertser | Velvet are mad (in a good sense). Wish i could have seen them live. :) |
| 21:01.57 | docscrutinizer2 | missed to pattent PDA when I "invented" it in 73 |
| 21:02.11 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * raf530a040b84 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Fix FSO bug #218 (@ instead of padding) |
| 21:02.43 | SpeedEvil | gets depressed when he finds patents on things he's thought of. |
| 21:03.27 | SpeedEvil | (Rocket pistonless fuel pump, GPS signal analysis for ionospheric spread, and recently using micro address lines as extra data lines) |
| 21:05.02 | docscrutinizer2 | duh, #3 sounds intriguing. can u elaborate? |
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| 21:05.58 | SpeedEvil | Basically connecting stuff to address lines, not data lines. set address line, strobe CS, unset CS |
| 21:06.05 | SpeedEvil | lines |
| 21:06.55 | SpeedEvil | I used it on a Z80 design (that was only on paper) to reduce latches. |
| 21:07.08 | agg1n | i've flashed the new gsm firmware (moko11) and now ophonekitd crashes with "Unknown SIM error:.." :( what shall i do now? reflash an older firmware? :/ |
| 21:08.20 | docscrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: just was about to say "don't i remember that from 1982 Z80 times?" |
| 21:09.01 | agg1n | http://pastebin.com/m4c8cd1ca |
| 21:09.27 | SpeedEvil | docscrutinizer2: this was an _extremely_ cheap design for a video terminal, using the dead times in the Z80 cycle to read out a bank of RAM, to a 2 bit A/D to make a composite signal. |
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| 21:09.49 | docscrutinizer2 | wow |
| 21:10.44 | SpeedEvil | 128K*2 pixel framebuffer. |
| 21:10.48 | docscrutinizer2 | agg1n: make sure your fw is flashed correctly, by following the recommended steps from wiki |
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| 21:13.13 | docscrutinizer2 | the log as well as differences moko8->11 don't suggest this is a problem caused by a regression in fw |
| 21:13.21 | agg1n | docscrutinizer2: i did everything exactly like it was described in wiki :/ |
| 21:13.53 | agg1n | with hackable1 it worked, i received an sms with it :/ |
| 21:14.10 | docscrutinizer2 | did you get a decent reply when inquiring new fw version from modem? |
| 21:14.19 | agg1n | but with a freshly flashed shr-unstable i get that error |
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| 21:14.55 | agg1n | docscrutinizer2: yes, it was like it is described in wiki |
| 21:15.35 | docscrutinizer2 | well there should be small difference: it should report moko11-b1 |
| 21:15.55 | agg1n | yes, sure |
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| 21:16.22 | docscrutinizer2 | so its most likely an issue not related to fw update |
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| 21:17.38 | docscrutinizer2 | though it *could* be a regression as well, *if* Dieter messed it up ;) |
| 21:17.54 | docscrutinizer2 | anyway I doubt that. |
| 21:18.49 | docscrutinizer2 | you might flash moko10 and check again. then go to 11 and back again to 10. please report |
| 21:18.58 | agg1n | ok |
| 21:20.11 | zogg_ | evening openmoko |
| 21:20.45 | PaulFert1er | agg1n: if you removed the sim during flashing, you might have bad electrical connection because of additional grease or smth. |
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| 21:22.04 | agg1n | PaulFert1er: didnt remove the sim :/ |
| 21:23.24 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.27 | slaxxin | ? |
| 21:24.15 | docscrutinizer2 | dirt on sim contacts |
| 21:24.39 | slaxxin | dont be greaseing your sim like that |
| 21:24.42 | PaulFert1er | slaxxin: if you take out the sim, you can by mistake apply some dirt to sim contacts or pins. |
| 21:24.50 | slaxxin | ok |
| 21:25.25 | docscrutinizer2 | aka fingerprint stains |
| 21:25.50 | slaxxin | corossive finger grease |
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| 21:26.21 | mwester | did not have good results when he used duct tape to secure his SIM into the holder. :( |
| 21:26.31 | slaxxin | yuk |
| 21:26.46 | mwester | It's a Real Man's tool. |
| 21:27.22 | mwester | "If it moves, but isn't supposed to: use duct tape. If it doesn't move, but it's supposed to: use WD-40." That's all you need to know in order to fix anything. |
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| 21:27.46 | PaulFert1er | You jumped in front of my car, though you know it very well: ninety miles an hour girl is the speed i drive |
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| 21:28.43 | slaxxin | duck tape suck |
| 21:28.48 | PaulFert1er | mwester: and a big monkey wrench ;) |
| 21:29.48 | mwester | Yep. If it won't turn, then hit it. That's what we call "American engineering", and is why we build the best automobiles in the world. |
| 21:30.13 | slaxxin | p[fft |
| 21:30.26 | docscrutinizer2 | XD |
| 21:30.53 | slaxxin | they break too much |
| 21:31.07 | mwester | I wish that was their only problem. |
| 21:31.18 | slaxxin | made to break |
| 21:31.33 | toggles_w | thats lucky, they were out of lettersanyone have any idea how many gat01 and 02's have been sold? |
| 21:31.43 | SpeedEvil | 7 |
| 21:31.43 | slaxxin | ya gotta buy two of them |
| 21:31.45 | mwester | 34 |
| 21:32.13 | docscrutinizer2 | sqrt 576 |
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| 21:33.25 | docscrutinizer2 | two GTA02: A5, A6 |
| 21:33.56 | slaxxin | somebody needs to step up to the plate an build a truck that bont break |
| 21:34.03 | slaxxin | d |
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| 21:34.52 | slaxxin | then we would not be under the spell of the automakers |
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| 21:37.08 | PaulFert1er | mwester: btw, are american automatic transmission systems less robust than manual ones? I just can't understand why americans love AT so much... |
| 21:37.37 | mwester | American standard transmissions are **AWFUL** that's the problem. |
| 21:37.46 | eolson | Paul, we're just lazy, no one wants to shift |
| 21:37.54 | eolson | it's to hard to get to mcdonald's that way |
| 21:38.12 | mwester | (automatic transmissions are actually much improved, and work very nicely by now) |
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| 21:43.10 | PaulFert1er | Good you don't use automatic transmission on bikes yet ;) |
| 21:43.55 | mwester | Shimano created one. |
| 21:45.26 | PaulFert1er | BTW, that very common system with planetar bicycle shifting system amazes me much. How can it be better than the usual one? |
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| 21:46.46 | PaulFert1er | mwester: for bicycles? I should take a look :) What about motorbikes? |
| 21:47.42 | PaulFert1er | mwester: that's ironic that despite americans like automatic transmission so much it was created by Shimano, not SRAM :) |
| 21:47.56 | docscrutinizer2 | will kill you onmotorbike |
| 21:48.46 | PaulFert1er | docscrutinizer2: why? scooters use variator (or how that called) that's basically equivalent to AT, i guess. |
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| 21:49.42 | PaulFert1er | (though less perfomant of course) |
| 21:50.01 | docscrutinizer2 | inadverted shifting in a curve may be sth you absolutely don't want to have to cope with |
| 21:50.55 | PaulFert1er | But why is it ok for a car? I can't say i have much experience in riding motorbike (though i have a license). |
| 21:51.13 | docscrutinizer2 | scooter "varistors" work without shifting |
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| 21:51.46 | PaulFert1er | Yeah, i know, they do it smooth, no sudden jumps. |
| 21:52.54 | docscrutinizer2 | done by "kegelraeder" dunno the engl word |
| 21:53.16 | docscrutinizer2 | and a belt |
| 21:54.30 | docscrutinizer2 | you close the gap between the two wheel hlves and the belt runs on more outer radius |
| 21:54.51 | PaulFert1er | I know that, haven't disassembled myself, but read/heard a lot. |
| 21:55.57 | docscrutinizer2 | audi (afaik) tried to implement this for cars, but usually this concept is too weak for high horsepower |
| 21:56.26 | docscrutinizer2 | in the 50s the was a DKW using this concept |
| 21:57.16 | docscrutinizer2 | had a forward/reverse shift and was as fast in "R" as when driving normal |
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| 22:01.42 | PaulFert1er | Steam driven car? In the 50s? Sounds weird :) |
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| 22:03.54 | docscrutinizer2 | talk goes it needed 5 spare belts for a trip to italy :D |
| 22:05.14 | PaulFert1er | :))) |
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| 22:08.07 | docscrutinizer2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKW_3%3D6 |
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| 22:12.22 | docscrutinizer2 | though this particular one seems to have a manual shift |
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| 22:13.57 | PaulFert1er | docscrutinizer2: Saxomat with centrifugal clutch is mentioned in the Technical section |
| 22:14.10 | docscrutinizer2 | yeah |
| 22:14.21 | docscrutinizer2 | maybe thats it |
| 22:15.13 | PaulFert1er | Nope, that's just tricky way for those who are too lazy to use the clutch, it seems. |
| 22:17.06 | PaulFert1er | Variomatic is the thing, it seems. |
| 22:18.23 | docscrutinizer2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variomatic |
| 22:18.38 | docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 22:19.01 | docscrutinizer2 | maybe i even confused DKW and DAF |
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| 22:23.40 | docscrutinizer2 | well I was 8years when a friends parents took me home with that funny car and I drove the dad nuts by asking him all about that funny gear |
| 22:28.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r23155990bff8 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:28.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix type of org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.Capacity() |
| 22:28.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: thanks Playya. |
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| 22:30.25 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rceef20a8780e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: |
| 22:30.25 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix binary SMS with null bytes |
| 22:30.25 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Since binary SMS are very likely to contain null bytes we use a |
| 22:30.25 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: bytearray in the properties to convey the data. This still doesn't fix |
| 22:30.28 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: the problem if we receive UCS2 messages which include null bytes (which |
| 22:30.30 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: is possible, but less likely). Fixes FSO #345. |
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| 22:34.36 | badcloud | hey allz |
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| 22:45.16 | fredrin | is it cool to change from Qi to U-boot again? |
| 22:45.27 | badcloud | I did it, worked fine |
| 22:45.37 | badcloud | did qi boot for you? |
| 22:46.08 | fredrin | yes, but I got some problems with the screen when I resume from suspend |
| 22:46.33 | badcloud | I see |
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| 22:46.42 | badcloud | well, switching back is fine |
| 22:46.49 | fredrin | I'm not sure if it was the Kustomizer script, Qi or the latest 2.6.28 kernel i compiled |
| 22:47.31 | fredrin | I'm back to using my second Freerunner after the first one got stolen. Now I use A5 instead of A7 |
| 22:47.44 | badcloud | your FR got stolen?? |
| 22:47.48 | fredrin | yes |
| 22:47.54 | badcloud | an iPhone I can understand, but a FR??? |
| 22:48.25 | fredrin | I was just stupid, some guy at the street of Montevideo asked to borrow my phone to call his mom after I showed him the phone.... |
| 22:48.27 | badcloud | if he's not a hacker, a dev, or a hardcore linux fan, I'm sure he chucked it after 5 minutes |
| 22:48.28 | fredrin | i said yes and he ran |
| 22:48.39 | fredrin | just a stupid drughead |
| 22:48.46 | fredrin | sell it for nothing |
| 22:49.27 | badcloud | the user community is so small, you'll probably run into it again ;) |
| 22:49.39 | fredrin | but I had to FR, so it's not the end of the world.... but it's a A5 version |
| 22:49.59 | rhkfin | fredrin: what kind of problems? |
| 22:49.59 | fredrin | badcloud: I know, i follow the actionsites in Montevideo Uruguay :) |
| 22:50.29 | fredrin | rhkfin: I think I maybe bitten by the White Screen Of Death problem |
| 22:50.50 | rhkfin | Kustomizer shouldn't actually change anything that has anything to do with suspend or screen except install tools to rotate it -> I'd guess it's the kernel.. |
| 22:51.03 | badcloud | that sounds about right |
| 22:51.41 | fredrin | rhkfin: I thought so too |
| 22:53.00 | rhkfin | fredrin: But it's nice to hear people are using it :) I'm working on the next release (0.3), the audio will work there (speech-dispatcher kills /dev/dsp in 0.2) |
| 22:53.45 | fredrin | rhkfin: I liked it, but |
| 22:54.07 | rhkfin | but? |
| 22:56.03 | fredrin | i don't have controll of all the things it installes |
| 22:56.14 | badcloud | is there a PIM for SHR? |
| 22:56.20 | fredrin | it's nice with the fixes and tweaks, but I dont need all the programs |
| 22:56.23 | fredrin | maybe just some |
| 22:56.42 | rhkfin | fredrin: you can run it only once to install the most important things and after that run the rest. |
| 22:57.01 | fredrin | ok, now the screen was nice after suspend.... |
| 22:57.06 | rhkfin | I wanted it to be as-little-interactive-as possibl. You can change it after downloading |
| 22:57.26 | rhkfin | And add your own studd in /media/card/customscript that will be run inthe end |
| 22:57.27 | fredrin | rhkfin: i know, just wanted to try the default thing |
| 22:57.33 | rhkfin | fredrin: ok |
| 22:57.48 | fredrin | it's nice, I like the fixes though |
| 22:58.35 | rhkfin | I've tried to get some of the important & easy fixes there but there's not much magic behind it. Most of it is stuff that the base 2008.x should have included already, I think.. |
| 22:58.46 | fredrin | Will the latest andy-tracking kernel just work on 2008.12 if I flash it? |
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| 23:54.54 | leavittx | happy 1234567890 day! |