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| 00:17.50 | Weiss | feitingen: i've had some similar issues. sometimes the USB ethernet stuff doesn't quite work at either end |
| 00:18.10 | Weiss | i usually find that unplugging, 'ifdown usb0' at both ends, reconnecting etc. can fix it |
| 00:18.20 | Weiss | check dmesg (at both ends) for more information |
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| 00:24.57 | feitingen | Weiss: its not that easy checking dmesg and pulling usb0 up and down without a terminal at the phone.. |
| 00:26.36 | Weiss | ah... no terminal installed on the phone? |
| 00:27.14 | feitingen | no, i just flashed it with the .12 image |
| 00:27.58 | feitingen | the problem seem to be in the daily image as well |
| 00:28.16 | feitingen | bbl, sleep, retry tomorrow |
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| 00:38.50 | slaxxin | u have to reboot 1 time for usb to work |
| 00:39.12 | slaxxin | at least! |
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| 00:44.17 | brian__ | welp |
| 00:44.22 | brian__ | its back to shr |
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| 00:48.36 | Wonka | hm... is there any sound recording app for SHR? |
| 00:48.44 | slaxxin | .12 works ok except i have to reboot alot anthe sound dont work very well, an installing programs fail 50% of the time,and |
| 00:48.51 | Wonka | for taking interviews or stuff like that? |
| 00:49.10 | slaxxin | hmmmm |
| 00:49.42 | slaxxin | i had problems installing stuff on shr to |
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| 00:50.31 | slaxxin | mang |
| 00:50.49 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.08 | slaxxin | than 2008.09 |
| 00:51.54 | urz | .12 doesn't switch between GSM towers every 5 seconds |
| 00:51.56 | urz | yay |
| 00:52.46 | slaxxin | is that what was happening? |
| 00:52.57 | urz | for me, yeah |
| 00:53.18 | urz | it was really noticable if the moko was next to a speaker |
| 00:53.26 | slaxxin | yea me to |
| 00:53.43 | slaxxin | but i have not had the wsod |
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| 01:43.21 | orzo | t hi |
| 01:43.35 | orzo | what controlls what icons illume displays on the home screen? |
| 01:43.57 | orzo | i have only 3 on mine |
| 01:44.20 | orzo | i tried adding symlinks and that worked temporarily but illume eventually deleted my links |
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| 02:08.15 | slaxxin | shr it might be that the settings menu doesnt work when theres no sim installed |
| 02:09.07 | orzo | im using debian |
| 02:09.18 | orzo | actually |
| 02:09.46 | orzo | i would like an image of qtextended with the echo cancelation patch |
| 02:14.48 | slaxxin | maybe some sound insulation behind the speakers would be a good hardware patch |
| 02:15.16 | slaxxin | since the mic is right between them |
| 02:15.34 | slaxxin | speakers need to be at the top |
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| 02:47.35 | slaxxin | slack 12.2 coming up |
| 02:48.29 | brian__ | time install |
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| 02:51.04 | brian__ | 8.50 |
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| 03:02.03 | brian__ | 9.02 disk 2 |
| 03:06.20 | SpeedEvil | Random question. Is there an eeepc channel? |
| 03:07.52 | brian__ | 9.07 disk 3 |
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| 03:10.01 | brian__ | ubuntu cant hold a candle to slackware on install time |
| 03:10.56 | brian__ | 9.11 config |
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| 03:15.02 | brian__ | cd3 out |
| 03:15.08 | brian__ | reboot |
| 03:15.15 | brian__ | 9.15 |
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| 03:18.34 | Slaxxer | 9.18 booted |
| 03:18.40 | Slaxxer | faaaaast |
| 03:19.17 | Slaxxer | 18 minuits to full install that is impressive |
| 03:20.28 | SpeedEvil | On OM? |
| 03:20.51 | Slaxxer | just a desktop install |
| 03:21.26 | Slaxxer | id like to see somebody make armdslack run on om |
| 03:33.39 | Slaxxer | im wrong 28 minuits |
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| 04:18.43 | jonsmith1982 | anyone got remoko working with om2008.12 ? |
| 04:19.57 | jonsmith1982 | also how do i get the qwerty icon in the top left corner? |
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| 04:27.04 | Digital_Pioneer | jonsmith1982: Have you tried ReMoko yet? Is it good? |
| 04:27.19 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm still waiting on my USB bluetooth receiver to arrive. :P |
| 04:28.44 | jonsmith1982 | Digital_Pioneer, no i haven't tried until now. should be good though. |
| 04:28.54 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. |
| 04:29.34 | Digital_Pioneer | I've been looking for a wireless mouse for a good deal, then I got my Freerunner, heard about ReMoko, and now I'm not so interested in a wireless mouse. :P |
| 04:33.42 | jonsmith1982 | i bought a wireless mouse and keyboard about 6 months ago for around £100 |
| 04:34.18 | jonsmith1982 | battery life was quite poor so i switched back. |
| 04:34.47 | jonsmith1982 | bluetooth mouse and keyboard |
| 04:37.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. Well, remoko should work in 3D anyways, so it slaughters the wireless mouse market. Hehehe |
| 04:37.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Keyboards are a different matter, but I don't intend to use Remoko as a keyboard. |
| 04:38.14 | Digital_Pioneer | So would someone care to guess why loading apps from GUI in SHR is so slow? If I run them from an SSH terminal, it's perfectly snappy. |
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| 05:19.26 | Digital_Pioneer | Anyone know how to get to the symbols/punctuation screen in QWO? |
| 05:30.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, wow... QWO is crazy! But I can see how it would be much better once you're used to it. |
| 05:30.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Kinda like learning CLI. :D |
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| 06:48.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder why i wasnt here |
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| 06:58.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm... i cant work out how to shut down. jolly new fangled images >.> |
| 07:00.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, the power button. who'd a thunk it. |
| 07:01.07 | daMaestro | lol |
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| 07:03.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | :p |
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| 07:51.36 | mrgarlic | pugging my headphones in the freerunner brang up the turn on the gps dialogue. |
| 07:52.18 | mrgarlic | such an akward sentence for an awkward computation. |
| 07:52.22 | mrgarlic | awkward |
| 07:57.25 | Sargun | Hahaha |
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| 08:56.24 | mrgarlic | does anyone here speak japanese? |
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| 09:15.48 | jopk | hi |
| 09:17.50 | jopk | how can I make bluetooth visible to my laptop? I can "see" the laptop's bluetooth on the freerunner. but not the freerunner bluetooth on the laptop. any ideas? |
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| 09:49.55 | xela | is anybody in here trying to get android getting to work on the freerunner? |
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| 10:00.09 | quatrox | what is up with OM and mp3? |
| 10:00.52 | quatrox | mplayer is compiled with support for mp3 playback |
| 10:01.20 | quatrox | would be better to use ogg |
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| 10:02.48 | quatrox | should I create a bug report for it |
| 10:02.53 | quatrox | ? |
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| 10:34.16 | fenn | qwo got the character ordering all wrong... |
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| 10:38.19 | ashbert_ | any idea if its possible to detect a DBUS message transmission (any bus) ..from within the kernel ? |
| 10:38.29 | lindi- | ashbert_: no? |
| 10:38.50 | ashbert_ | i'd imagine since its IPC .. it should be a socket sys call ? |
| 10:38.52 | lindi- | ashbert_: i mean surely you can but it is not the business of kernel |
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| 10:41.52 | ashbert_ | yes, i understand the reasons .. but im trying to find an alternative to tainting data |
| 10:43.38 | ashbert_ | briefly, i need to know if a key scan code (input event) goes to expected applications in userspace |
| 10:44.16 | ashbert_ | eg. with qtopia, QPE receives the scan codes ..then does an IPC and sends it to Qtmail |
| 10:44.41 | ashbert_ | in the kernel, somehow i need to know/verify that the scan codes go to Qtmail |
| 10:45.03 | ashbert_ | i can authenticate QPE, coz its task_struct is available in the read call on the input device |
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| 10:45.51 | quatrox | ashbert_: no |
| 10:46.33 | quatrox | you need a keyboard daemon |
| 10:46.44 | ashbert_ | any others suggestions ? |
| 10:46.48 | ashbert_ | meaning ? |
| 10:47.02 | quatrox | a service |
| 10:47.40 | ashbert_ | you mean as a separate process ? |
| 10:47.46 | quatrox | yes |
| 10:48.23 | ashbert_ | pardon me, i dont think i see how that helps the kernel know who reads off the k/b daemon |
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| 10:48.36 | quatrox | something in /etc/init.d |
| 10:48.55 | quatrox | well |
| 10:49.06 | quatrox | the kernel should not know |
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| 10:49.14 | quatrox | and don't care |
| 10:49.34 | quatrox | that is where the deamon comes in |
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| 10:50.03 | ashbert_ | yes i agree with that completely, but here's the thing .. |
| 10:50.39 | ashbert_ | consider a system thats been exploited .. and malware tries to send out SMS's continuosly |
| 10:51.31 | quatrox | hw -> kernel dev -> daemon dev -> app |
| 10:51.36 | ashbert_ | so the idea is to make sure that a human intends to send out the SMS |
| 10:51.56 | quatrox | ohh |
| 10:52.05 | ashbert_ | and to do that, im thinking of using the k/b interrupt as an indication |
| 10:52.21 | quatrox | ahh |
| 10:52.48 | ashbert_ | therefore i need a way to follow the scan codes through the apps |
| 10:53.07 | quatrox | why? |
| 10:53.24 | quatrox | malware would mess that up |
| 10:53.27 | ashbert_ | so that at egress, i can check if the SMS started off with a k/b inttertupt |
| 10:53.58 | ashbert_ | not really, simple crypto techniques will solve that |
| 10:54.07 | quatrox | hmm |
| 10:54.13 | quatrox | poor kernel |
| 10:55.12 | ashbert_ | hmm i know, it goes against the design principles, but i think its interesting ... might just work with minimal overheads |
| 10:55.58 | quatrox | why not just fetch raw kbd code and compare? |
| 10:56.17 | quatrox | ioctl()? |
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| 10:57.58 | ashbert_ | well, i dont want to modify userspace apps, and besides, they'd be untrusted |
| 10:58.19 | quatrox | yes |
| 10:58.35 | quatrox | that was my point with a daemon |
| 10:59.48 | muxe | hey, I'll try it here once again before I ask the mailinglist. ;) whats the trick on getting the qwerty button and illume keyboard on OM 2008.12. The old howto wont do it anymore for me. |
| 11:00.04 | ashbert_ | hmm, well, like i said, i dont think that'll help ... |
| 11:01.10 | quatrox | the daemon can get raw data from Linux |
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| 11:01.51 | quatrox | and |
| 11:02.24 | quatrox | but, gtg |
| 11:02.29 | quatrox | good luck |
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| 11:05.16 | Klischeepunk | ashbert_ wouldn't your idea prevent users from sending massmails at all? What if I WANT a SMS to be sended to 3 ppl at once? or am I missing something? |
| 11:05.40 | ieatlint | winter starts in just 59min... yay |
| 11:07.47 | Mononoke | what? it didn't start yet? |
| 11:07.53 | Mononoke | throws snowball at ieatlint |
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| 11:09.47 | ieatlint | it starts at 12:04 GMT |
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| 11:10.52 | ieatlint | and i'd be impressed if you found a snowball to throw here... i don't think it's snowed here since the 70s |
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| 11:18.12 | spydon | ieatlint, how can you survive a winter without snow? :o |
| 11:18.28 | ieatlint | beer |
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| 11:18.51 | spydon | the sollution to all worlds problems... |
| 11:19.32 | ieatlint | indeed... even the bad beer problems, which can be solved by good beer |
| 11:22.31 | Temris | muxe: try changing asu to illume in /etc/enlightment/default_profile and restart X |
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| 13:33.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | [21:01] * bumbl_ is now known as bumbl |
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| 13:34.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | wow, how do you do this ? ;-) |
| 13:36.59 | ronny | DocScrutinizer2: you missed joins/parts? |
| 13:38.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | seems xchat filters them out. Good!! |
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| 14:14.43 | kahless | hi ho |
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| 15:46.03 | tifereth | is there an mando diao easter egg in shr? |
| 15:46.12 | tifereth | i recived an sms and now i see an information screen |
| 15:46.31 | tifereth | with some mando diau lyrics |
| 15:46.32 | tifereth | O_o |
| 15:47.04 | tifereth | i'm really blaffed now |
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| 15:50.44 | Ainulindale | tifereth: what? :-) |
| 15:50.52 | Ainulindale | I'd doubt that :-) |
| 15:50.59 | Hire | ahah |
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| 15:51.00 | Hire | quickdev |
| 15:51.14 | Hire | that funny guy that puts easter egg into phonegui |
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| 15:51.31 | Ainulindale | I seriously doubt he did |
| 15:51.41 | tifereth | :-O |
| 15:51.44 | tifereth | i'm gonna ask |
| 15:52.01 | tifereth | before i recived the sms i saw something like no more space |
| 15:52.10 | tifereth | perhaps this is the content of the sms |
| 15:52.11 | Ainulindale | Do you use unstable? |
| 15:52.24 | tifereth | yes |
| 15:52.55 | Ainulindale | there's no easter egg in that one that I know about |
| 15:53.20 | tifereth | perhaps i'm gonna search through the src |
| 15:53.28 | Ainulindale | http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=tree;f=libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src;h=a909c79f81384c6a9c7df69cddf8c8962bafc855;hb=HEAD |
| 15:53.30 | Hire | or for you |
| 15:53.32 | Ainulindale | feel free to. |
| 15:53.42 | Hire | it is an easter egg to see SHR works? :D |
| 15:54.02 | Ainulindale | And if it's an easter egg, I'll spank quickdev, but I doubt that. |
| 15:54.55 | tifereth | so seems like the string isn't in the source |
| 15:55.01 | tifereth | so its perhaps the content of the sms |
| 15:55.07 | tifereth | but theres no sender address given -_- |
| 15:55.47 | tifereth | is this anywhere logged? |
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| 16:05.43 | zash__ | ~logs |
| 16:05.44 | apt | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 16:05.59 | zash__ | or what were you saying |
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| 16:34.38 | viq | Is there any information about opim available? |
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| 16:39.08 | henkie | 2008.12 freezes alot for me |
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| 16:40.55 | CVirus | Openmoko sucks |
| 16:41.01 | CVirus | errr .. sorry a typo |
| 16:41.03 | CVirus | Hi |
| 16:42.15 | tifereth | ;-9 |
| 16:44.12 | Tm_T | CVirus: interesting typo |
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| 16:46.57 | henkie | there, frozen again |
| 16:47.02 | henkie | kinda dissapointing |
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| 17:07.39 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rfe6444a49bce 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: frameworkd.conf: Document ogpsd options more |
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| 17:24.22 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0241f916278c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (3 files in 2 dirs): whitespace |
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| 17:31.58 | jones | i think i have a problem with my moko |
| 17:32.34 | jones | my battery died last night, i dont htink i can save it |
| 17:33.51 | lindi- | jones: what makes you think it is dead? |
| 17:34.55 | jones | it wasnt responding to anything, and charging had no effect |
| 17:35.23 | SpeedEvil | neo1973 or FR? |
| 17:35.25 | jones | i reseated the sd card and sim, and it booted |
| 17:35.25 | lindi- | jones: how did you try to charge it? |
| 17:35.28 | jones | FR |
| 17:35.45 | jones | so i over reacted |
| 17:36.11 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: shouldn't that be "neo1973 or neoFR?"? ;) |
| 17:36.33 | lindi- | (confusing naming, i know) |
| 17:36.41 | jones | not really |
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| 17:36.56 | jones | how are things with the project |
| 17:37.55 | SpeedEvil | jones: ... |
| 17:38.04 | SpeedEvil | jones: on the upside, the hardware buzz has been fixed |
| 17:38.11 | SpeedEvil | jones: on the downside, it's a hardware mod |
| 17:38.15 | jones | oh |
| 17:38.18 | jones | that isnt good |
| 17:38.29 | jones | what are you running o nyour right now SpeedEvil? |
| 17:38.46 | SpeedEvil | jones: neo1973 - I don't get the buzz |
| 17:38.56 | jones | fair enough |
| 17:39.01 | SpeedEvil | and I'm still on 2007.2 |
| 17:39.26 | jones | ive got qt on my FR right now |
| 17:39.30 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 17:39.38 | SpeedEvil | actually, I think it's a scaredycat image. |
| 17:39.46 | jones | i want to try andriod, it would be nice for gps and wifi to work |
| 17:40.07 | viq | is the buzz heard on FR too, or only the other end? |
| 17:40.10 | SpeedEvil | tangogps works for me |
| 17:40.16 | SpeedEvil | viq: both ends AIUI |
| 17:40.34 | viq | Hm, in those few times I called from mine I don't think I heard it. |
| 17:40.43 | jones | i have had any buzz, but in qt my inbox for sms doesnt clear |
| 17:41.13 | jones | so every time i get a text i get that and all the sms ive recieved since last emptying my whole inbox |
| 17:41.17 | SpeedEvil | Some pepople don't |
| 17:41.37 | jones | and the last 15 messages in my trash wont go |
| 17:41.52 | SpeedEvil | it's dependant on several things - distance from tower, frequency band, environment, ... |
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| 17:43.44 | jones | i didnt know 2008.12 was released |
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| 17:45.09 | jones | but the errata doesnt sound nice |
| 17:46.35 | viq | Though I have a rather bad echo when calling my FR... |
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| 17:46.56 | mortak | hi all |
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| 17:49.39 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.21 | igor321 | does anyone know if the new "cupcake" android compiles for gta02? |
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| 18:00.00 | simoo | Hi, just flashed 2008.12 and the wireless gui is gone or moved? |
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| 18:03.22 | mrgarlic | hmmm. i just reflashed 2008.12 and it won't boot |
| 18:03.25 | mrgarlic | freezes |
| 18:03.42 | jones | yep, says that on the page |
| 18:04.10 | jones | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1682 |
| 18:04.33 | simoo | I have 2008.12 flashed and booting |
| 18:04.44 | viq | Ah, seems that with mono down below 80% the echo is nearly non-existent |
| 18:04.54 | SpeedEvil | As I said earlier. |
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| 18:05.17 | SpeedEvil | Turn either speaker down and press harder to your ear, or mic down, and SPEAK LOUDER!, and it should work. |
| 18:05.29 | viq | yeah |
| 18:05.32 | SpeedEvil | It's mechanical feedback |
| 18:05.37 | SpeedEvil | so that'll cut the gain |
| 18:05.38 | mrgarlic | that is not what that page says |
| 18:05.48 | mrgarlic | or is it in comment |
| 18:06.03 | mrgarlic | it doesn't turn off before reaching X it freezes |
| 18:06.06 | SpeedEvil | I haven't looked at the above page. |
| 18:06.14 | SpeedEvil | I may be simply inventing stuff. |
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| 18:07.11 | jones | i actually hope you are |
| 18:07.20 | viq | Hm, where is the setting for "on the call" for volume? |
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| 18:10.23 | simoo | Hi, following the wiki I can ping my OM but not ssh to it can someone help? |
| 18:11.25 | viq | simoo: wireless or USB? |
| 18:11.36 | simoo | viq: usb |
| 18:11.50 | viq | hm, then it should work |
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| 18:13.32 | simoo | 'ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202' works fine but 'ssh root@192.168.0.202' doesn't |
| 18:14.19 | viq | What is the address on your other interface? |
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| 18:14.30 | simoo | could it be because I am on a different subnet do I need to pars another option to ssh? |
| 18:14.50 | simoo | 192.168.0.2 |
| 18:15.09 | viq | I would highly recommend addressing your home network differently. |
| 18:15.36 | simoo | how? what should it be? |
| 18:15.57 | viq | Anything else |
| 18:16.40 | simoo | unfortunately I am not at home (staying away) and can't really change it - It's a sky router and I don't *think I can configure it |
| 18:17.09 | simoo | so I should be on a separate subnet to the freerunner? |
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| 18:18.40 | viq | yes, that would make things much easier |
| 18:19.17 | muhxe | nobody else has problems getting the qwerty button in 2008.12? |
| 18:19.37 | simoo | hmm... ok, thanks. If I can't change it, is there a way of getting it working? |
| 18:21.37 | simoo | ah! it's ok I can get in to the router - 192.168.40.* ok? |
| 18:22.20 | jones | oh android was beta'd two days ago |
| 18:23.31 | simoo | viq: if I change the DHCP server to give out 192.168.40.* will that be right? |
| 18:23.47 | viq | yes, it will make things easier for you |
| 18:24.05 | simoo | great thanks |
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| 18:32.57 | mmp | tifereth: hello; sorry for not being online for quite long time; I had to finish some work and school projects... |
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| 18:45.17 | simoo | trying to install a package I get this error 'An error ocurred, return value: 2.' can anyone help? |
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| 18:47.34 | bricode | mwester: Are you still maintaining a kernel tree? If so, do you have it available somewhere? |
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| 18:49.02 | bruce | Hi all... I seem to remember seeing a method for downloading large areas of map tiles from OSM for use on TangoGPS and Diversity... anyone know how? |
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| 18:49.25 | SpeedEvil | the config tab of tangogps |
| 18:49.35 | bricode | bruce: From the phone, or on a laptop? |
| 18:50.02 | bruce | SpeedEvil, I figured it was in Tango... I don't have it installed yet.... |
| 18:50.10 | bruce | bricode, either. |
| 18:50.38 | bricode | bruce: As SpeedEvil pointed out, the config tab lets you cache map tiles as well as provide a download directory. |
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| 18:51.07 | bricode | Then you can right click on the map and choose "Download Map Tiles" or some such, and you can set the number of zoom levels you want to download. |
| 18:51.22 | SpeedEvil | which is the number of times you can zoom in teh current view |
| 18:51.41 | bruce | Right. Thanks to both of you! |
| 18:51.47 | bricode | Exact details may vary slightly, but that's the general process. |
| 18:52.25 | bricode | tried to eat some Android cupcake. |
| 18:53.02 | bruce | now.... does Tango work well with 2008.12? I've been using SHR for a while now....and am just deciding to check out the new 2008.12 release |
| 18:53.11 | simoo | I seem to be able to install software from the internet on my OM through the gui but the command line gives me an error 2. can anyone help? |
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| 18:59.22 | gurugentoo | is there a faster way to download tiles? the phone seems to be grabbing about one a second |
| 18:59.37 | gurugentoo | and my connectio is much faster than that |
| 18:59.39 | SpeedEvil | The tiles server may be slow ATM |
| 18:59.48 | gurugentoo | blast |
| 19:00.35 | emsyr | simoo: which application are you trying to install? |
| 19:01.17 | simoo | emsyr: xterm or sqlite |
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| 19:02.41 | emsyr | Could you type the command you try? |
| 19:03.11 | simoo | sure 'opkg install xterm' |
| 19:04.27 | emsyr | Have you installed 2008.12? |
| 19:04.37 | simoo | yeah |
| 19:04.47 | simoo | clean flash |
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| 19:06.33 | emsyr | You said the installation through GUI has no problem. |
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| 19:07.46 | simoo | yeah, I just install OM browser |
| 19:08.45 | emsyr | opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/xterm_207-r1.04_armv4t.opk |
| 19:08.55 | emsyr | Try this |
| 19:10.12 | simoo | Ah now it says 'could not obtain administration lock' |
| 19:10.57 | emsyr | Wait a moment |
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| 19:11.15 | emsyr | killall packagekitd |
| 19:11.17 | jonsmith1982 | killall packetkitd |
| 19:11.22 | ath | 77 |
| 19:11.25 | jonsmith1982 | heh package |
| 19:12.12 | emsyr | simoo : first 'killall...' then 'opkg install...' |
| 19:12.15 | simoo | is it because the repos for .12 are not there yet? |
| 19:12.25 | emsyr | Maybe |
| 19:13.01 | emsyr | But then your GUI shouldn't work also. |
| 19:13.05 | jonsmith1982 | what was the problem? |
| 19:14.16 | simoo | ah! it's working now, thanks a lot |
| 19:14.39 | simoo | but I can see that it is taking it from the 2008.8 repos |
| 19:16.08 | tifereth | anyone noticed that the last opkg upgrade breaks the whole system |
| 19:16.19 | tifereth | init scripts are no more working as expected for example |
| 19:16.29 | simoo | is the OMContacts package useable? |
| 19:16.30 | tifereth | and pin request isn't working anymore |
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| 19:26.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Can someone take a guess at why running programs from GUI in SHR is so slow, but if I just run them from terminal, they open very quickly? |
| 19:26.53 | Ainulindale | Which kind of program? |
| 19:27.48 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: GUI programs. :P |
| 19:27.58 | Ainulindale | Which one? |
| 19:30.09 | Digital_Pioneer | All of 'em, it seems. |
| 19:31.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Exposure doesn't work either... :\ |
| 19:31.55 | Ainulindale | Exposure works |
| 19:32.04 | Ainulindale | Here, using latest, it works |
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| 19:32.11 | Hire | weird |
| 19:32.13 | Hire | are you sure? |
| 19:32.21 | Ainulindale | And there's no relation between what you describe and logic apart from illume hampering the CPU with its loading screen |
| 19:32.38 | mrgarlic | wow 2008.12 touch screen experience is much better |
| 19:32.51 | simoo | could someone clarify what the difference between tango gps is and the maps program that comes with OM is? |
| 19:33.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: That's what's so weird. Can I disable the loading screen? |
| 19:33.20 | mrgarlic | simoo: well it takes two to tango. |
| 19:33.29 | mortak | wow, opkg upgrade is veeery slow :) |
| 19:33.55 | Ainulindale | Digital_Pioneer: No idea :-) |
| 19:34.00 | Ainulindale | Didn't think about tha |
| 19:34.01 | Ainulindale | +t |
| 19:34.24 | simoo | mrgarlic: so I need them both>? |
| 19:35.01 | Digital_Pioneer | simoo: I don't think so... |
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| 19:40.46 | Digital_Pioneer | In Exposure, all settings are "unknown" and when I click them, I get the green flash; and it doesn't change. |
| 19:40.54 | Digital_Pioneer | Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 19:42.15 | Ainulindale | Digital_Pioneer: ps auxw |grep ophonekitd |
| 19:42.20 | Ainulindale | If you have nothing, on which I'd bet |
| 19:42.25 | Ainulindale | DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& |
| 19:42.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, not running. |
| 19:43.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, that did it. |
| 19:43.50 | Ainulindale | Wait for the pin dialog though before rushing into things =) |
| 19:43.52 | jonsmith1982 | where do i get mp3 codec for the freerunner? |
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| 19:46.38 | simoo | where is the wifi gui in 2008.12? |
| 19:47.53 | Digital_Pioneer | simoo: 2008.12 has no networking GUI. |
| 19:47.57 | Digital_Pioneer | I had to ditch it for that. |
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| 19:48.02 | Digital_Pioneer | I couldn't get into it. |
| 19:48.29 | simoo | the one from 2008.9 is no more then? |
| 19:48.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Never tried 08.9 |
| 19:49.08 | simoo | is connecting 2008.12 to wpa working> |
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| 19:49.10 | simoo | ? |
| 19:49.36 | edje | simoo: yup, it might take some fideling, but i have it working here |
| 19:49.53 | simoo | cool, thanks |
| 19:50.50 | edje | simoo: some tips: iwconfig every thing down before connecting, change it to up again and then connect. it did help me a lot to get it stable |
| 19:51.08 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: OK, ophonekitd runs, I run exposure, it works. I close it, run it again, and ophonekitd dies. |
| 19:51.11 | simoo | thanks |
| 19:51.41 | Ainulindale | Digital_Pioneer: pastebin the log please |
| 19:51.44 | simoo | what would you guys reccomend as a browser, OMBrowser or midori? |
| 19:51.45 | Ainulindale | (/var/tmp/ophonekitd.log) |
| 19:51.53 | Ainulindale | GTA02 with latest kernel? |
| 19:52.04 | Ainulindale | I bet this fails on power state |
| 19:52.06 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: I have no SIM card, BTW. |
| 19:52.11 | Digital_Pioneer | That might be the reason. |
| 19:52.23 | Ainulindale | No, it should not crash for that reason |
| 19:52.33 | edje | simoo: minimo ! |
| 19:52.40 | Digital_Pioneer | simoo: minimo FTW. |
| 19:53.10 | simoo | thanks, that's not in the standard repos is it? |
| 19:53.30 | Ainulindale | with a bit of luck it'll be soon in SHR |
| 19:53.35 | edje | simoo: not AFAIK, but easy to download/install |
| 19:54.26 | simoo | also, i notice all the OM-apps are marked as legacy is that because they are not being developed? |
| 19:55.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: http://pastebin.ca/1290951 |
| 19:55.46 | Ainulindale | Wooh, who did this. |
| 19:55.51 | Ainulindale | I'll spank him. |
| 19:56.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: ? |
| 19:56.19 | Ainulindale | Well, this was introduced in ophonekitd without my knowledge of it. |
| 19:57.05 | Digital_Pioneer | What's wrong with my poor phone? :( Heheh |
| 19:57.19 | Ainulindale | Digital_Pioneer: nothing |
| 19:58.15 | Ainulindale | Well, I'll check that. |
| 19:58.21 | Ainulindale | Please open a ticket Digital_Pioneer |
| 19:58.26 | Ainulindale | http://shr.bearstech.com/trac |
| 19:58.34 | Ainulindale | Assign it to ophonekitd I'll fix it later on |
| 19:59.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: Sorry, but how?... |
| 20:01.18 | Ainulindale | How what? how to open a ticket? |
| 20:01.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. |
| 20:01.44 | Ainulindale | Well, register =) |
| 20:04.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: I filled out the form, hit create account, and it pops up a window asking for a user/pass. Do I put the ones I'm trying to create in? |
| 20:06.56 | Ainulindale | yes |
| 20:07.38 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, that's unique. :P |
| 20:08.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: OK, what do I say about this thing so I seem halfway intelligent with my ticket? :P |
| 20:09.24 | Ainulindale | Attach your log, and tell Ainulindale told you this wasn't supposed to behave this way (ophonekitd exiting) with no sim |
| 20:09.38 | Ainulindale | As I'll review the ticket myself no need to be intelligent :-) |
| 20:11.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheheh |
| 20:11.38 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, just made ticket at http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/215 |
| 20:14.16 | Ainulindale | Thanks |
| 20:14.32 | Ainulindale | Will try to fix that tomorrow |
| 20:14.44 | Ainulindale | In between the only problems you'll have are with exposures and auto suspend |
| 20:14.48 | Ainulindale | So don't worry that much |
| 20:18.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I noticed it wasn't autosuspending. |
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| 20:22.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: So are you the main dev for SHR or something? |
| 20:22.44 | Ainulindale | well, kind of, but that would be forgetting the basic rules of modesty to say so |
| 20:23.17 | Ainulindale | THough these days I do more telling than coding |
| 20:24.33 | Digital_Pioneer | Ainulindale: Cool, well, great job. It's officially the only distro that's really worked for me. Heheh |
| 20:24.59 | bricode | Ainulindale: Being "famous" for the main-dev of a distro isn't all it's cracked up to be :) |
| 20:26.34 | Ainulindale | yeah well being famous is not what I see |
| 20:26.43 | Ainulindale | I just see boredom and endless ticket closing |
| 20:26.55 | Ainulindale | And decisions for this or that |
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| 20:27.17 | Ainulindale | We want to be a community distro, but the community isn't that aware of us |
| 20:27.26 | Ainulindale | (intentionnaly) |
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| 20:27.36 | Ainulindale | I can't wait for the release |
| 20:28.53 | bricode | Ainulindale: Yep. I'm just starting to get the process in order and up and running. It's a process. |
| 20:29.11 | Ainulindale | The process? |
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| 20:58.58 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I turn off bluetooth from CLI? |
| 20:59.37 | emsyr | I'm flashing right now to 2008.12 |
| 20:59.43 | emsyr | :) |
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| 21:09.02 | The_Doctor | Hey i have a problem with the Om2008.12 media players (both qtopia and openmoko-mediaplayer2). They won't play mp3 files. I think it is because there are no mp3-decoders installed (or so). At least, i can't find any lame or madplay stuff. Does anyone knows what to do? |
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| 21:09.51 | quatrox | use ogg vorbis |
| 21:10.15 | The_Doctor | ok, thanks |
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| 21:10.31 | The_Doctor | but that means i can't play mp3? |
| 21:10.36 | balrog-kun | you should be able to mp3 decoders from feeds from outside openmoko |
| 21:10.38 | quatrox | support for mp3 has been removed due to patents |
| 21:10.58 | balrog-kun | to install* |
| 21:11.06 | faltantornillos | hiciu, Is it possible to synchronize or at least send my appointments from my pc to qtopia-datebook? please |
| 21:11.08 | balrog-kun | like ScaredyCat's |
| 21:11.17 | The_Doctor | okay, thanks |
| 21:11.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Why use a crappy format like MP3 anyways? |
| 21:11.46 | balrog-kun | Digital_Pioneer: it sounds ok on my computer :) |
| 21:12.08 | Digital_Pioneer | balrog-kun: Perhaps, but it's eating up more disk space than it needs to be. |
| 21:12.57 | Digital_Pioneer | :) |
| 21:13.09 | balrog-kun | yeah, maybe i should convert |
| 21:13.28 | balrog-kun | i wonder how long it would take to convert all the music |
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| 21:14.08 | The_Doctor | Is ogg much smaller then? |
| 21:14.42 | cwright | hi, does anyone have images for koolu they are willing to share? |
| 21:14.49 | cwright | i'm not having much luck getting it to build here |
| 21:14.53 | nullpuppy | it can be. same filesize is typically much better audio quality. it really depends on type of audio your encoding. |
| 21:15.16 | mrgarlic | where is the wifi connection in 2008.12? |
| 21:15.56 | quatrox | terminal? |
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| 21:16.22 | mrgarlic | well it was in the settings menu in 2008.9 |
| 21:16.34 | quatrox | ohh |
| 21:16.51 | mrgarlic | was it not? |
| 21:16.53 | KenYoung | mrgarlic, Yeah - it's been gone for a while in testing. You may wanna download mofi. |
| 21:17.02 | mrgarlic | ok |
| 21:17.40 | KenYoung | mrgarlic, I was surprised and a bit disappointed to see it go too. It worked pretty well for me. |
| 21:17.45 | Digital_Pioneer | The_Doctor: You can have equal quality with a lower filesize, higher quality with an equal filesize, or very high quality with a larger filesize. :) |
| 21:17.57 | lindi- | or worse too |
| 21:18.06 | Digital_Pioneer | balrog-kun: It took me a few hours, but I only have about 800-900MB of music. |
| 21:18.29 | The_Doctor | @Digital_Pioneer: Hehe, ok, then i think i'l convert it then |
| 21:18.57 | Digital_Pioneer | balrog-kun: If you try it though, I recommend soundkonverter. It does batch processing no problem, and keeps metadata through inter-format conversion. |
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| 21:19.45 | Digital_Pioneer | The_Doctor: A 3 minute track takes me a little less than a minute, on a 2.0GHz processor. |
| 21:19.47 | balrog-kun | Digital_Pioneer: thanks, i might try it |
| 21:19.58 | balrog-kun | but it sounds like a KDE program |
| 21:19.59 | balrog-kun | :p |
| 21:20.10 | The_Doctor | Digital_Pioneer: Ok. |
| 21:20.25 | Digital_Pioneer | balrog-kun: Yes, it does run in a superior DE. |
| 21:22.08 | hiciu | faltantornillos: I don't know anything about gui for that, but you can try to scp /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite to your pc, edit it with sqlite3 and send back to phone |
| 21:22.51 | faltantornillos | <hiciu> mmm, I'll give it a try, thanks |
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| 21:29.03 | mrgarlic | ssh through USB on mac ....... so i can ping web sites from the moko but when i go to install from terminal or installer ..... nada connection |
| 21:30.12 | viq | firewall? icmp != tcp |
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| 21:31.38 | quatrox | mrgarlic: try wget |
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| 21:35.44 | mrgarlic | i keep getting error codes with opkg |
| 21:36.00 | mrgarlic | i tried the recommended killall packagekitd |
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| 21:38.35 | mortak | mrgarlic: which servers do you have in your resolv.conf? |
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| 21:39.37 | mrgarlic | checking |
| 21:39.48 | mortak | yay |
| 21:39.55 | mrgarlic | ha |
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| 21:44.42 | jonsmith1982 | anyone have remoko working on Om.2008.12 ? |
| 21:48.01 | Digital_Pioneer | Does 2008.12 let you SSH in yet? |
| 21:49.09 | jonsmith1982 | yes |
| 21:49.21 | jonsmith1982 | i needed to reboot the device |
| 21:49.38 | jonsmith1982 | after first boot i couldn't connect with usb |
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| 21:50.46 | jonsmith1982 | getting annoyed by a bug on my desktop atm |
| 21:51.28 | jonsmith1982 | xterm is very slow when resizing, need to disable composite |
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| 22:01.21 | Digital_Pioneer | So what's everyone's favorite program that runs on FR? |
| 22:01.30 | johngay | Evening everybody! |
| 22:01.32 | Digital_Pioneer | See if there's any I haven |
| 22:01.35 | balrog-kun | gcc! |
| 22:01.41 | Digital_Pioneer | 't run into yet. |
| 22:01.54 | KenYoung | Digital_Pioneer, Probably tangoGPS |
| 22:01.54 | johngay | ahs] |
| 22:02.01 | johngay | ash, even |
| 22:02.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Ash? The shell? |
| 22:02.38 | Digital_Pioneer | (I must say, I would love to have BASH on the Freerunner. BusyBox just doesn't compare.) |
| 22:02.43 | johngay | Of course the shell. Only lazy people use GUI's (-= |
| 22:02.48 | lindi- | uses bash |
| 22:02.54 | mortak | GUwgat? |
| 22:02.56 | emsyr | Flashed to 2008.12 is over |
| 22:02.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I love CLI. |
| 22:03.02 | mortak | "GUwhat?" |
| 22:03.06 | emsyr | Let's see what's around |
| 22:03.06 | quatrox | the terminal:) |
| 22:03.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Except for wpa_supp. |
| 22:04.04 | johngay | Though ATM I'm tryin' qtExt-4.4.2 and I miss my shell )-: |
| 22:04.26 | Digital_Pioneer | I didn't think Qt Extended was that great... |
| 22:04.50 | johngay | I still can't get BT working and wi-fi only worked twice. |
| 22:05.55 | Digital_Pioneer | johngay: Use CLI. :) |
| 22:05.57 | johngay | But then BT doesn't work in 2007.2 either. |
| 22:06.04 | Digital_Pioneer | BTW, how do you toggle BT in CLI? |
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| 22:08.04 | jonsmith1982 | /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop start seems to work |
| 22:08.10 | johngay | Personally, I'm waiting for WinCE to run on the FR so I can have a proper stable O/S with real support (-= |
| 22:08.39 | jonsmith1982 | usually on my desktop hciconfig hci0 up will do it but not on this |
| 22:09.13 | Digital_Pioneer | johngay: How does WinCE running on the FR help with that? |
| 22:10.04 | johngay | In qtExt, I can look for BT devices, it sees my apple keyboard and even pairs with it. But then it says it's inactive )-: |
| 22:10.54 | jonsmith1982 | i get "can't get information for device" on both windows and linux when trying to connect from the desktop to the phone |
| 22:11.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there anything on the phone listening? |
| 22:11.17 | johngay | Everyone knows that WinCE is the best embedded O/S that's supported by a caring company that provides real support for their products. |
| 22:11.51 | Digital_Pioneer | johngay: Which WinCE are you talking about? I know of a Windows Compact Edition, but it's totally opposite what you just described. :P |
| 22:12.02 | raster | yay wince |
| 22:12.05 | raster | i love wince |
| 22:12.15 | Digital_Pioneer | winces. |
| 22:12.15 | raster | wince development is awesome |
| 22:12.25 | bruce | anyone running 2008.12 have a minute to confirm a possible bug I'm seeing? |
| 22:12.31 | raster | i wish all the world uses wince |
| 22:12.32 | DieMumiee | you just have to add a few megs for memleaks in you memory calculation wenn you plan your device |
| 22:12.42 | The_Doctor | @bruce, Yeah me |
| 22:12.44 | raster | apple should ship iit on the ipoen instead of that crappy unix based os of theirs |
| 22:12.47 | raster | :) |
| 22:12.54 | raster | lets port android to wince |
| 22:12.57 | Digital_Pioneer | DieMumiee: And some kind of script to reboot every 24 hours, you should be OK. |
| 22:13.11 | DieMumiee | Digital_Pioneer: oh yes rebooting is essential |
| 22:13.16 | bruce | The_Doctor, reading accelerometer output.... # hexdump /dev/input/event2 |
| 22:13.27 | DieMumiee | otherwise dlls will eat your virtual memory |
| 22:13.40 | Digital_Pioneer | DieMumiee: Yes, and nothing will touch your physical memory. |
| 22:13.46 | johngay | Hey raster! |
| 22:13.57 | The_Doctor | bruce: Gives me a hexdump of the accelerometer output, |
| 22:13.59 | The_Doctor | what is the bug? |
| 22:14.10 | bruce | The_Doctor, I'm getting results that mirror http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2145 |
| 22:14.20 | Digital_Pioneer | I keep wondering why hexdump of accelerometers only gives output when the phone is immobile... |
| 22:14.21 | bruce | The_Doctor, shake it and see what happens? |
| 22:14.24 | raster | johngay: boo |
| 22:14.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Doesn't that defeat the purpose? |
| 22:14.45 | bruce | Digital_Pioneer, check the trac link above |
| 22:14.56 | johngay | How's E for the FR coming along? |
| 22:15.06 | The_Doctor | @bruce: I shaked it and the output stopped |
| 22:15.22 | bruce | The_Doctor, should be the opposite, as Digital_Pioneer remarked |
| 22:15.31 | The_Doctor | Okay |
| 22:15.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I get that in SHR. |
| 22:15.50 | DieMumiee | maybe i will have the chance to train my moral next year, there is a iphone-like-gui-on-windows-mobile-phone project on the horizon |
| 22:15.52 | The_Doctor | bruce: Well then, bug confirmed. |
| 22:15.56 | bruce | Digital_Pioneer, you get what? data when still only? |
| 22:16.05 | Digital_Pioneer | bruce: Yes. |
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| 22:16.23 | Digital_Pioneer | For instance, the accel-rotate script... It doesn't work if I'm walking. |
| 22:16.37 | Digital_Pioneer | I have to stop moving and hole the phone absolutely still before it changes the orientation. |
| 22:16.47 | Digital_Pioneer | s/hole/hold |
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| 22:17.07 | The_Doctor | Strange.. |
| 22:17.36 | Digital_Pioneer | s/s\/hole\/hold/s\/hole\/hold\// |
| 22:17.43 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 22:19.07 | Digital_Pioneer | So that's actually a problem, and I'm not just stupid about how accelerometers work? |
| 22:20.38 | DieMumiee | Digital_Pioneer: even when still the accelerometers should give you a vector pointing to the center of gravity |
| 22:20.44 | bruce | Digital_Pioneer, no...looks like the problem was noticed earlier in Debian, but since it's a kernel issue, it will affect others |
| 22:20.59 | johngay | What distro are people using for basic phone use? |
| 22:21.07 | Digital_Pioneer | bruce: So can I flash another kernel that isn't affected? |
| 22:21.19 | Digital_Pioneer | johngay: I'll probably be using SHR when my SIM comes in. :) |
| 22:21.37 | johngay | I |
| 22:22.08 | Digital_Pioneer | DieMumiee: Yeah, but if they give no data when the phone is 'accellerating' then they are not doing their job. :) |
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| 22:22.17 | johngay | ve been tryin' qtExt for a few weeks now, but I still have 2007.2 in flash cause I'm happiest with it. |
| 22:22.17 | bruce | Digital_Pioneer, well...hopefully.... probably to patch and recompile a current kernel, and if it works, notify the kernel maintainer |
| 22:22.34 | Digital_Pioneer | I can't get the OM toolchain working. |
| 22:22.40 | DieMumiee | oh, ok |
| 22:23.08 | Digital_Pioneer | Version incompatibility with hosts aclocal |
| 22:24.28 | bruce | I guess it's time for me to get the toolchain up and running.... |
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| 22:27.44 | johngay | I like getting >30 hours from the battery rather than <6 |
| 22:28.10 | johngay | But I do get some issues receiving calls sometimes. |
| 22:28.28 | johngay | But I really, really miss my shell )-= |
| 22:30.03 | johngay | I'd love to try E, but there doesn't seem to be any phone capability??? |
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| 23:04.15 | jc | hi, do you think arm920t-softfloat-thumb-linux-gnueabi is the best toolchain configuration for freerunner ? |
| 23:05.16 | jc | oh I forgot to add glibc |
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| 23:08.52 | spydon | What do you recommend 2008.12 or SHR? :P |
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| 23:09.15 | spydon | android is getting banned from my phone now :P |
| 23:09.15 | jc | dunno, I use FDOM so far |
| 23:09.21 | jc | why is that ? |
| 23:09.42 | jc | damn I can't compile the damn crosscompiler.. |
| 23:09.51 | jc | also finding mkfs.jffs2 was a hell |
| 23:10.03 | jc | if anyone wants it I can compile it for any x86 |
| 23:12.46 | johngay | I'm still playin' with qtExt. |
| 23:13.57 | jc | does it lag ? |
| 23:14.09 | jc | because qt gui in fdom lags as hell |
| 23:14.49 | jc | you know like, you get a call and its a few seconds before the gui pops up and starts ringing |
| 23:17.04 | jc | haaz arm binutils |
| 23:17.06 | jc | yey |
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| 23:55.36 | spydon | how do you get a keyboard on SHR? ^^ |
| 23:56.46 | max_posedon | touch "qwerty" after touching top of screen |
| 23:57.55 | spydon | ah I must be tired, thx |
| 23:59.02 | jc | does anybody know what -mthumb-interwork is for in gnu tools ? |
| 23:59.12 | jc | the docs just say: 'This option specifies that the output generated by the assembler should be marked as supporting interworking. ' |
| 23:59.33 | SpeedEvil | Oooh! |
| 23:59.35 | jc | does this mean like that it just marks the resultant binary as 'thumb/arm hybrid' ? |
| 23:59.40 | SpeedEvil | New idea for the accels + camera. |
| 23:59.45 | SpeedEvil | Sextant. |