| 00:00.11 | Kensan | night all |
| 00:00.15 | johngay | Hey raster! |
| 00:00.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | Kensan: c ya |
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| 00:01.36 | johngay | Stumbled across your name in relation to embedded E work. |
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| 00:03.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | johngay: I'm astonished "Raster" doesn't start with an "E" :-D |
| 00:04.18 | mickeyl | Ester |
| 00:04.43 | johngay | The leading E- is implied |
| 00:04.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | mickeyl: name of Rester's fistborn? :-)) |
| 00:05.07 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 00:05.10 | mickeyl | if it's a girl |
| 00:05.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | firstborn child |
| 00:05.12 | vininim | mmmm |
| 00:05.34 | vininim | qt extendend somehow wins at eating battery |
| 00:05.51 | mickeyl | in a good sense? |
| 00:06.00 | mickeyl | or in the sense of eating the most? :D |
| 00:06.04 | johngay | Even faster than 2007.2??? |
| 00:06.04 | vininim | latter heh |
| 00:06.05 | UndrWater | for me qt extended wins for being most annoying |
| 00:06.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, *I* eat them for breakfast |
| 00:06.32 | moo--- | DocScrutinizer: batteries are unhealthy breakfast.. you should really try fruits :) |
| 00:06.34 | vininim | it's quite the most usefull phone |
| 00:06.35 | johngay | I only get 4-6 hours. |
| 00:06.53 | vininim | s/phone/for a typical phone/ |
| 00:07.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | bender would have a different opinion :-D |
| 00:08.26 | johngay | I'd like to try qtExt, but I don't have the modules to extract jffs )-: |
| 00:08.49 | vininim | wat |
| 00:08.56 | vininim | also, it's quite annoying that the batter doesn't work |
| 00:09.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | huh? |
| 00:09.08 | vininim | s/batter/battery status |
| 00:09.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | ahh |
| 00:09.23 | johngay | ehh? |
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| 00:10.55 | johngay | I wish people would make sure there were root tarballs as well as jffs images so we could try the differect distros without flashing. |
| 00:13.41 | dent | sigh, I seem to have "vandalized" a viki page without wanting to :-/ |
| 00:13.59 | dent | when I do a "save", all the text that's in boxes (as code) loses the formatting |
| 00:14.03 | dent | which more than sucks :-/ |
| 00:14.26 | dent | but I don't even touch that code, just editing something else and saving is enough |
| 00:16.55 | dent | When I check, I don't even see any special formatting characters for the blue-ish code boxes :-/ |
| 00:17.47 | dent | now I can't even revert the page, as it anyway loses the code boxes |
| 00:17.48 | vininim | dent: you can revert |
| 00:18.11 | dent | well, I tried, but revert = it's diosplayed in the edit box and saving again kills the code boxes |
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| 00:19.05 | dent | there must be somewthing funny going on, as there must be some formatting that I don't see/the browser kills?... something that normally makes the blue boxes blue |
| 00:19.10 | johngay | nite all |
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| 00:23.38 | dent | mystery discovered, but it's odd |
| 00:24.01 | dent | when there is a space as the first character on the line, the line is put into the blueish box |
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| 00:24.20 | dent | but when I do an "edit", and the text is put into the edit box, the spaces magically disappear :-/ |
| 00:24.27 | dent | I'll try to fix the page now |
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| 00:28.45 | dent | fixed, uf! |
| 00:29.10 | dent | still, there's something odd, as I had to do a rather nonstanrad thing to fix that |
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| 00:34.48 | Zorkman | anyone tried the new android jffs2? |
| 00:37.34 | dent | huh, I see it's not happewning for me only... |
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| 00:37.57 | dent | there's a problem with wiki :-/ |
| 00:38.24 | dent | For example look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GPRS_FSO&oldid=55571 and http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GPRS_FSO |
| 00:38.37 | dent | apparently editing kills those blueish code boxes :-/ |
| 00:38.49 | dent | or grayish |
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| 00:45.37 | Dave | Zorkman - It's a trap! |
| 00:48.29 | dent | ok I found what got me: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wiki_Issues#Disappearing_Pre-formatting |
| 00:48.33 | dent | annoying bug :-/ |
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| 00:54.35 | Dave | :D |
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| 01:07.33 | slaxxin | whereIS IT |
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| 01:16.37 | Dave | What's happenin' slaxxin? |
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| 01:39.24 | slaxxin | not a dang thang |
| 01:39.49 | slaxxin | installing a furnace in me spare time |
| 01:39.52 | mwester | football game is on. |
| 01:40.09 | mwester | and I just finished repairing the furnace. |
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| 01:42.40 | docpaul | hi... anyone get the new android rootfs (from today) working on the freerunner? |
| 01:46.52 | kd8ikt | new image? |
| 01:47.08 | kd8ikt | does it have a keyboard this time? i might check it out |
| 01:47.30 | kd8ikt | docpaul: is your sdcard partitioned correctly? |
| 01:47.50 | docpaul | yap, i had previous images working fine |
| 01:48.14 | docpaul | supposedly wifi works now along with other stuff |
| 01:48.19 | docpaul | not sure about kb |
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| 01:48.48 | kd8ikt | nice i do love how the dialer beeps out the dtmf when you dial ;) |
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| 01:51.10 | docpaul | hey, can you give it an install... see if it works? |
| 01:53.47 | Dave | docpaul, you can't. |
| 01:53.52 | Dave | It's a trick rootfs :P |
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| 01:54.09 | docpaul | heh, assuming you tried it? |
| 01:54.25 | docpaul | brian from koolu implied that it was meant to work at least. :I |
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| 01:55.26 | Hydrant | so it looks like all this news that android was ported to neo was hype? |
| 01:56.33 | skbohra | i think few people have done it |
| 01:56.50 | Hydrant | looked horribly broken :-( |
| 01:57.00 | Hydrant | I just saw six billion news releases saying it's done |
| 01:59.22 | docpaul | i have it working on my freerunner |
| 01:59.32 | docpaul | granted, functionality is still hobbled, but it works |
| 01:59.36 | Hydrant | can you point me to where you got your images? |
| 01:59.50 | docpaul | and it looks more responsive/better than all the other distros, certainly |
| 02:00.06 | docpaul | unfortunately, the working image i used was overwritten today |
| 02:00.14 | docpaul | i'll show you the file location though |
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| 02:01.02 | docpaul | http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 02:02.28 | Hydrant | yah, I read a news thingee saying that the company backing the FR (forgot it's name) actually did the port |
| 02:03.03 | docpaul | not sure of those details... i know people who used to work for windriver did a part of the work at least |
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| 02:04.23 | Hydrant | k thx... what is that adb file? |
| 02:04.29 | Hydrant | looks strange and lonely |
| 02:04.30 | aggtrfrad | anyone found out why the latest android image wont load? |
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| 02:08.07 | kd8ikt | Hydrant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4NbsLmF9j0 |
| 02:08.32 | docpaul | aggr: i'm now hearing that it might be b/c ext3 partition needs to be wiped |
| 02:09.01 | docpaul | Hydrant: supposedly a way to interact with the device via usb cable |
| 02:09.09 | kd8ikt | debug |
| 02:09.16 | kd8ikt | and shell |
| 02:09.20 | aggtrfrad | thats what i was thinking, but mkfs.ext2 wont work, and df shoes the partition to be populated |
| 02:09.27 | kd8ikt | checkout mcniels wiki page |
| 02:09.30 | aggtrfrad | mkfs |
| 02:09.52 | docpaul | kd8ikt: i was thinking about reinstalling om2008 and wiping ext3 |
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| 02:10.18 | docpaul | perhaps making that partition larger while i'm at it |
| 02:10.19 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 <-- oh super neat they have a link to that entry in the main wiki page |
| 02:15.04 | kd8ikt | right now i'm using shr and i loves it |
| 02:15.08 | kd8ikt | docpaul: |
| 02:15.31 | docpaul | maybe i'll try shr instead, see how it works |
| 02:15.41 | docpaul | can you easily ssh via usb with shr? |
| 02:15.44 | Dave | kd8, good, right? :) |
| 02:15.54 | kd8ikt | here i'll show a screeny shot |
| 02:16.16 | Dave | scap is all shr, these days :p |
| 02:17.29 | kd8ikt | love the icons |
| 02:17.34 | Dave | really? |
| 02:17.36 | docpaul | let's see |
| 02:17.40 | kd8ikt | they actually are what they do! |
| 02:17.42 | Dave | kd8, what theme? |
| 02:17.44 | Dave | oh, haha |
| 02:17.50 | kd8ikt | illume |
| 02:17.52 | Dave | you've been using 2008 too much then :P |
| 02:18.03 | kd8ikt | got a bunch of kewl apps via opkg.org |
| 02:18.13 | kd8ikt | like wireshark |
| 02:18.18 | Dave | hah |
| 02:18.18 | kd8ikt | need ettercap ;) |
| 02:18.28 | Dave | :0 |
| 02:18.30 | Dave | :) |
| 02:18.31 | kd8ikt | bet its in the angstrom repo |
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| 02:22.59 | Dave | Morning Joerg |
| 02:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | morning |
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| 02:23.31 | docpaul | can you ssh via usb cable into an openmoko device running shr? |
| 02:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | should |
| 02:23.47 | kd8ikt | heh wouldnt be much good if it didnt |
| 02:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 02:23.59 | white_gecko | hello |
| 02:24.09 | white_gecko | does anybody know http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2go ? |
| 02:24.17 | kd8ikt | i go the extra step and remove that line in /etc/default/dropbear to WHATEVER=0.0.0.0:22 |
| 02:24.44 | docpaul | some of the other distros didn't work correctly for me at least |
| 02:24.46 | docpaul | thx |
| 02:24.55 | Dave | :) |
| 02:25.41 | kd8ikt | ifdown usb0 ; ifup usb0 ; ssh root@192.168.0.202 (if /etc/network/interfaces usb0 is properly configured) |
| 02:25.57 | kd8ikt | otherwise set the ip after ifup |
| 02:26.14 | kd8ikt | assuming it doesnt give you a device doesnt exist error |
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| 02:28.00 | kd8ikt | is it just me or tangogps ariel view SUCK!? |
| 02:28.06 | kd8ikt | arial |
| 02:28.31 | kd8ikt | that should be replaced with googlemap's hybrid/sat view tileset |
| 02:29.38 | kd8ikt | you'd be lucky to see the roads at its closest zoom with that crudy res |
| 02:30.17 | kd8ikt | one of those things best viewed from far away ;) |
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| 02:35.03 | tomboy64 | kd8ikt: you'd have to do that manually since that is owned content. |
| 02:35.26 | kd8ikt | i was just thinking that was the issue ;) |
| 02:35.34 | tomboy64 | it is not. |
| 02:35.50 | tomboy64 | just don't use it :-P |
| 02:36.09 | kd8ikt | googlemap is good enough for me |
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| 02:46.25 | SpeedEvil | openarielmap. Contribute. |
| 02:47.04 | Dave | photographs Speedevil's flat |
| 02:47.28 | FxChiP | or how about |
| 02:48.08 | FxChiP | some non-IP-concerned pirate coder person out in Netherlands or something can code a GPS app that works with Google Maps |
| 02:48.18 | SpeedEvil | You can't. |
| 02:48.24 | FxChiP | whydafux not |
| 02:48.26 | SpeedEvil | As you can't legally download and cache the tiles. |
| 02:48.28 | Dave | yeah :D |
| 02:48.34 | SpeedEvil | The IP is in the tiles. |
| 02:48.37 | Dave | pfft |
| 02:48.39 | FxChiP | "pirate coder person out in Netherlands" |
| 02:49.00 | FxChiP | For everyone who's using the program it's just fetching images |
| 02:49.10 | FxChiP | Much like any browser would do |
| 02:49.27 | SpeedEvil | OSM. Job done. If it's not, then do it! |
| 02:49.31 | FxChiP | Maybe I used the wrong country. In which case, insert country with non-stringent IP laws here. |
| 02:51.19 | FxChiP | also |
| 02:51.28 | SpeedEvil | the other issue is that google will tend to ban that sort of app if they can. |
| 02:51.41 | FxChiP | so use a fake user-agent |
| 02:51.43 | FxChiP | :D |
| 02:52.17 | FxChiP | Or hell |
| 02:52.25 | FxChiP | Grab the Maps application for Android |
| 02:52.28 | FxChiP | And write a compatibility layer for Moko |
| 02:53.05 | FxChiP | It'd be a fun project for sure :D |
| 02:55.57 | kd8ikt | agps would be nice |
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| 02:57.08 | kd8ikt | there was one project about logging gps/gsm cell cites |
| 02:57.08 | FxChiP | AGPS indeed |
| 02:57.23 | FxChiP | Wouldn't that data be provided in the signal? |
| 02:57.36 | kd8ikt | gsm? |
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| 02:58.20 | SpeedEvil | GSM cell just broadcast two 16 bit numbers as ID. |
| 02:58.22 | SpeedEvil | nothing more |
| 02:58.42 | SpeedEvil | So you need some sort of hashing layer to go from that to location |
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| 03:03.02 | FxChiP | fair enough |
| 03:03.07 | FxChiP | but are we sure such a database does not already exist? |
| 03:04.55 | raster | SpeedEvil: dude. what will they do when they have more than 4 billion cells! |
| 03:05.08 | raster | ::) |
| 03:05.41 | Dave | Raster! |
| 03:05.54 | raster | Dave: moo! |
| 03:06.25 | Dave | Let's hijack the cellular companies? |
| 03:06.38 | SpeedEvil | Fortunately, only the nearest few dozen interfere. |
| 03:08.00 | raster | but what if i have a super-phone that can transmit and recieve from the whole world! |
| 03:08.01 | raster | :) |
| 03:09.03 | kd8ikt | i just saw ironman the other night and loved it |
| 03:09.33 | kd8ikt | on the testflight he was tracking airtraffic control with his lil display |
| 03:09.49 | kd8ikt | that was neat and the holodisplays |
| 03:10.56 | kd8ikt | think thats possible with lasers? like a dark area would be where more then one beam intersect? |
| 03:11.37 | raster | everything is possible.... |
| 03:11.46 | raster | with sharks with laser beams attached to their heads! |
| 03:12.02 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 03:12.16 | SpeedEvil | stabs the public conception of holograms. |
| 03:12.28 | FxChiP | FreeRunner can do that! |
| 03:12.33 | SpeedEvil | If you have a hologramatic display on a device - say for argument the FR. |
| 03:12.50 | FxChiP | FR ftw |
| 03:12.51 | SpeedEvil | Then the absolute best you can get is a 3.5" window into a world. |
| 03:13.02 | FxChiP | lies |
| 03:13.03 | Dave | hah |
| 03:13.32 | SpeedEvil | Nothing can appear outside this window (modulo slight details like it can by the width of your pupil) |
| 03:13.46 | FxChiP | lies |
| 03:14.09 | SpeedEvil | The holographic object has to be completely within the bounds of the display, though it can be visually behind or in front of it. |
| 03:14.30 | raster | sharks with laserbeams |
| 03:14.36 | kd8ikt | isnt that how they do laser etching in polomer cubes etc? fire multiple beams at one point? |
| 03:15.13 | SpeedEvil | On the other topic - I do know someone who bought a few FRs (on my urging) to work on air-traffic control apps (well - more plane movement tracking on an interactive map) for airside workers in canda. |
| 03:15.22 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: yes. |
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| 03:15.33 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: typically two focussed beams. |
| 03:15.54 | kd8ikt | well throw out the glass and use lower power lazers but lots of em |
| 03:16.01 | kd8ikt | air would be the medium |
| 03:16.01 | SpeedEvil | In air, light beams don't interact with each other till you start to get into the intensity required to ionise the air. |
| 03:16.01 | break_free | anyone messed around with SHR? I can't get it to register my SIM and there dont' seem to be any indicators on the menu bar |
| 03:16.14 | kd8ikt | ah |
| 03:16.23 | Dave | fire all photon torpedos? |
| 03:16.32 | break_free | didn't expect to come in on a physics discussion |
| 03:16.35 | SpeedEvil | At which point, you get problems with the plasma formed lensing the lasers around, and also setting stuff on fire. |
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| 03:17.17 | raster | back to sharks with laser beams... |
| 03:17.17 | slaxxin | numptyphisics caused it |
| 03:17.18 | raster | :) |
| 03:17.21 | SpeedEvil | You need many megawatts/m^2 to ionise air at sea level. |
| 03:17.36 | kd8ikt | break_free: its not called computer sciences for nothing ;) |
| 03:17.52 | Dave | hah |
| 03:17.55 | slaxxin | engage |
| 03:18.01 | break_free | haha |
| 03:18.17 | kd8ikt | full warp mr sulu |
| 03:18.40 | Dave | more power to the shields mr. scott1 |
| 03:18.41 | Dave | ! |
| 03:19.36 | slaxxin | do ya have at&t?' |
| 03:19.45 | raster | more pants on |
| 03:20.07 | raster | ponders how to fix his bugzie |
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| 03:20.29 | SpeedEvil | On the other hand, bluetooth controlled 1mm*1mm*1mm flying pixels are a simple matter of engineering. |
| 03:21.26 | rooly | is bluetooth really capable of that kind of throughput and latency? |
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| 03:22.15 | SpeedEvil | Simple matter of engineering. |
| 03:22.15 | raster | rooly: bt2 could be |
| 03:22.16 | raster | err |
| 03:22.17 | raster | bt3 |
| 03:22.25 | raster | SpeedEvil: u mean voxels... |
| 03:22.27 | raster | :) |
| 03:22.35 | imrehg | hi, does anyone know where to get the FSO milestone 4? The link on the wiki points to non-existent directory, and cannot find any other info... |
| 03:23.22 | SpeedEvil | (practically, 5cm*5cm*5cm are probably the limit ATM) |
| 03:25.13 | Dave | what what? |
| 03:25.23 | raster | SpeedEvil: u'd need to also cram the flying into 5x5x5mm |
| 03:25.35 | Dave | speedevil, sounds more like a bt tamagotchi to me |
| 03:25.35 | Dave | :p |
| 03:25.46 | SpeedEvil | raster: doable. |
| 03:26.06 | raster | depends on the constraints |
| 03:26.47 | SpeedEvil | raster: I've currently got on the back-burner awaiting other stuff being completed an inertial guidance system and camera for those 10cm rotor toy helicopters. |
| 03:26.51 | raster | how far can they fly |
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| 03:27.01 | raster | what kind fo container/eletric or magnetic field do u use - if nay |
| 03:27.13 | SpeedEvil | raster: little helicopter |
| 03:27.28 | raster | or do u literally have self-powered voxels that use fans or similar methods to keep afloat |
| 03:27.44 | raster | aaah going traditional |
| 03:27.52 | raster | thats stil one tiny-arse fan |
| 03:27.57 | SpeedEvil | Not useful as anything more than a fun demo. |
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| 03:28.10 | rooly | likes to follow the xkcd comic about hyphens |
| 03:28.13 | raster | and u'll need to then have power source bt tranciever, chips and fan all in 5x5x5mm |
| 03:28.15 | rooly | hehehe, arse-fan |
| 03:28.19 | raster | thats... pretty toit. |
| 03:28.29 | SpeedEvil | The total lift-off weight would be on the order of 2g or so, so it doesn't have to support much. |
| 03:28.44 | raster | sure |
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| 03:28.51 | raster | but u'll need more than 1 |
| 03:28.54 | kd8ikt | bluetooth controller? |
| 03:28.56 | raster | to handle 3d positioning |
| 03:28.58 | raster | at least 2 |
| 03:29.12 | raster | not sure what kind of powersource u can cram into that |
| 03:29.16 | raster | along with chips |
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| 03:29.20 | raster | in 5x5x5mm |
| 03:29.29 | SpeedEvil | raster: you know there are full RC planes under 500mg? |
| 03:29.31 | SpeedEvil | raster: cm |
| 03:29.37 | raster | ooh |
| 03:29.48 | raster | i thought u sais 5x5x5mm |
| 03:29.52 | raster | never mind |
| 03:29.55 | raster | u did say 5cm |
| 03:29.56 | raster | dont worry |
| 03:29.57 | raster | :) |
| 03:30.09 | raster | 5cm is doable |
| 03:30.12 | SpeedEvil | blames the glamo for rotting rasters mind. |
| 03:30.23 | rooly | that would do it, mind you |
| 03:30.26 | mwester-laptop | it was Om, not the glamo |
| 03:30.31 | raster | damn glamo |
| 03:30.34 | raster | stikes again |
| 03:30.39 | raster | strikes |
| 03:31.46 | daMaestro | so sms randomly started working; is there any way to adjust/set tones for when messages arive? |
| 03:31.50 | daMaestro | arrive* |
| 03:32.20 | kd8ikt | wheres that yaml at |
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| 03:32.59 | rooly | there is, depending, daMaestro |
| 03:33.37 | daMaestro | i'm using the om2008.9 release |
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| 03:33.51 | mwester-laptop | I'm sorry. |
| 03:34.15 | daMaestro | also, i'm wondering if there is a way to clear a mistake when typing (aka.. it detects the wrong key) other then sending the text and then highlighting it to overwrite it |
| 03:34.36 | rooly | you have to install the qtopia ringtone package |
| 03:35.05 | rooly | yes, slide your finger from right to left on the keyboard |
| 03:36.24 | daMaestro | qtopia-phone-x11-ringprofile? |
| 03:36.30 | rooly | yes, that |
| 03:36.34 | rooly | should have a green picture |
| 03:36.45 | daMaestro | i'm just directly calling opkg |
| 03:36.55 | daMaestro | PackageKit is still a little heave (though very nice to have a UI) |
| 03:37.10 | daMaestro | heavy* |
| 03:37.18 | daMaestro | wow.. can't type.. i need my touchscreen keyboard |
| 03:39.07 | SpeedEvil | http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357791 DIY 7 gram heli. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=922636 1.6g 'scale' model. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892415 390mg plane |
| 03:39.32 | daMaestro | rooly, awesome. thanks. i was doing the right to left on the word(s) itself |
| 03:43.04 | daMaestro | rooly, seeing as how you are all full of answers, how do i get gprs to work automagically? (or is this still broken?) |
| 03:43.10 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03erin * r8b714d9edd01 10/src/libraries/qtopiabase/qtopialog-config.h: enable QtopiaServer log for debugging |
| 03:43.13 | slaxxin | damaestro u download the new mp3-free image? |
| 03:43.25 | rooly | i haven't gotten it working yet |
| 03:43.30 | rooly | even under qtopia |
| 03:43.33 | daMaestro | slaxxin, just the standard om2008.9 image |
| 03:43.52 | raster | damn patents |
| 03:43.53 | slaxxin | the old 1 or the latest from today? |
| 03:44.05 | daMaestro | has switched to using the freerunner as his everyday [personal] phone in hopes it starts to work well enough to replace my blackberry |
| 03:44.18 | daMaestro | did 2008.11 get released? |
| 03:44.29 | slaxxin | im waiting for it |
| 03:44.56 | daMaestro | ah, well i'm hoping it's just an upgrade, or i really, really hope that my phone book is synced to my sim |
| 03:45.11 | daMaestro | maybe i should just stop putting numbers in it for a while |
| 03:45.12 | daMaestro | ;- |
| 03:45.14 | daMaestro | hmm |
| 03:45.24 | daMaestro | gives up on typing and goes back to work; thanks rooly |
| 03:45.29 | rooly | np |
| 03:45.50 | slaxxin | u said sms is working ,,i was wondering if u had the very latest 2008.9? |
| 03:46.34 | daMaestro | yes, sms is working with the latest 2008.9 image (though it didn't at first, but that might have been because i got a new sim and the carrier was being lame) |
| 03:46.53 | slaxxin | at&t? |
| 03:46.55 | daMaestro | yes |
| 03:47.01 | slaxxin | good |
| 03:47.11 | daMaestro | phone calls are working fine, sms is working fine |
| 03:47.29 | daMaestro | battery lasted just about all day |
| 03:47.30 | slaxxin | why u get a new sim? |
| 03:47.40 | slaxxin | 71234G? |
| 03:48.31 | slaxxin | later |
| 03:48.45 | daMaestro | i'd have to look |
| 03:49.14 | slaxxin | no the 1 u took out |
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| 03:54.09 | daMaestro | it's in my blackberry |
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| 04:03.06 | Dave | o.O |
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| 04:05.59 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03jeremy 07org.openmoko.dev * rdfd663cc79b3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: xserver-kdrive-glamo: update sane-srcrev to use the latest. |
| 04:06.05 | imrehg | hi! anyone knows where to get the FSO milestone 4? the link on the wiki is borked... |
| 04:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: what's reslt of gsm-flashing? |
| 04:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | result |
| 04:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: did you dare to try? :-) |
| 04:06.42 | SpeedEvil | ponders flashing his. |
| 04:06.52 | SpeedEvil | Maybe tomorrow. |
| 04:06.58 | mwester-laptop | has a GTA01 with Moko-10beta2 |
| 04:07.09 | mwester-laptop | :) |
| 04:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: go ahead! mwester found moko10 is good for GTA01 even, as well |
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| 04:07.37 | SpeedEvil | Is there any way to backup the calibration ROM? |
| 04:07.45 | SpeedEvil | flash, whatever |
| 04:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | we're working on this |
| 04:08.34 | DocScrutinizer | anyway "experts" think the chance to mess your calibration is very small, if you don't miss-spell one of the FLUID-cmds |
| 04:08.52 | SpeedEvil | I need to fix this system so that it won't go down randomly, and then try it. |
| 04:08.54 | SpeedEvil | So tomorrow. |
| 04:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | great! :-) |
| 04:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | please keep me updated, by mail |
| 04:09.19 | Shlee | I wish the reference to getting 3G on the calypso was cited. |
| 04:09.22 | kd8ikt | huh |
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| 04:09.48 | Shlee | Are they looking for a fix to the bouncing in moko10? |
| 04:10.05 | mwester-laptop | Shlee: the reference on the ml was to the use of SIM cards with the 3G logo, not to say that the calypso will work on a 3G network. |
| 04:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | nah, the community-news were very ambiguous on this. |
| 04:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | mwester-laptop: exactly |
| 04:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | Shlee: yup, we're looking into #1024 actually. Alas it's a nasty one |
| 04:11.03 | Shlee | mwester: Thanks for clearing that up. I expected as much |
| 04:11.56 | mwester-laptop | DocScrutinizer: If any volunteers are needed to collect additional data or tests, let me know -- I can reproduce the problem with considerable ease. (unfortunately ;) |
| 04:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | mwester-laptop: great, once more :-). Actually we need logs. more on private channel |
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| 04:19.34 | SpeedEvil | hacks the GSM firmware to enable 3G, wi-max, and light sabretooth mode. |
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| 04:20.48 | alephnull | light sabretooth ? |
| 04:20.58 | alephnull | i want! |
| 04:22.28 | kd8ikt | hey be sure to replace the battery too with a arc reactor |
| 04:24.02 | Dave | tesla? |
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| 04:30.59 | kd8ikt | howbout a atomic battery? |
| 04:31.21 | mwester-laptop | Would it still be a battery if it was atomic? |
| 04:31.32 | kd8ikt | well yea |
| 04:32.26 | kd8ikt | well battery, power plant same diff |
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| 04:34.14 | kd8ikt | convert radio active decay to electricity |
| 04:34.26 | kd8ikt | like a solar cell |
| 04:34.31 | mwester-laptop | Is that an electrochemical process, though? |
| 04:34.32 | SpeedEvil | waves around his fission powered keyring. |
| 04:34.41 | SpeedEvil | tritium++ |
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| 04:35.22 | kd8ikt | a battery like the size of the phone would probably only have enough power to run one device like the accelerometers ;) |
| 04:35.24 | mwester-laptop | I believe that a battery is generally considered electrochemical. Actually multiple electrochemical cells. |
| 04:35.40 | SpeedEvil | It all comes down to mass defect in the end. |
| 04:36.26 | mwester-laptop | has a massively defective automobile. |
| 04:36.49 | SpeedEvil | has a more defective automobile than mwester-laptop. |
| 04:37.16 | SpeedEvil | (the ECU is completely broken, and I need to install a DIY one.) |
| 04:51.09 | Dave | Mwester, uh oh |
| 04:51.34 | Dave | For all I know, Speedevil, your car is powered by a neo :p |
| 04:51.44 | Dave | or the board from it |
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| 04:53.42 | SpeedEvil | Dave: well - no. But I do plan to use the neo to set detailed engine parameters over a serial link. |
| 04:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Fuel-air maps, ... |
| 04:54.01 | Dave | oh god |
| 04:54.11 | Dave | Remind me never to drive in a car with you :D |
| 04:54.17 | FxChiP_ | dude |
| 04:54.22 | SpeedEvil | Not while driving. :) |
| 04:54.36 | FxChiP_ | Hate you all |
| 04:54.37 | Dave | although honestly, if half the people in here asked me if I wanted a ride, I'd likely decline. |
| 04:54.40 | FxChiP_ | Making me want a Neo FreeRunner |
| 04:54.42 | FxChiP_ | Bastards |
| 04:54.44 | Dave | :D |
| 04:54.46 | Dave | haha |
| 04:54.48 | FxChiP_ | HEY DAVE |
| 04:54.50 | FxChiP_ | I HAVE NO LICENSE |
| 04:54.52 | FxChiP_ | WANNA GO FOR A RIDE |
| 04:54.53 | Dave | How's that AT&T, FxChip? |
| 04:54.56 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 04:54.58 | Dave | fucker :P |
| 04:55.06 | FxChiP_ | hehe |
| 04:55.16 | FxChiP_ | AT&T's fun as always |
| 04:55.22 | Dave | how's your ass? |
| 04:55.36 | FxChiP_ | But what I really wanna do is grab a Moko and hop on a pay-as-you-go like T-Mobile |
| 04:55.46 | FxChiP_ | my ass is fine thanks |
| 04:55.48 | FxChiP_ | they used lube |
| 04:55.50 | FxChiP_ | this month |
| 04:55.55 | Dave | good, good |
| 04:56.07 | Dave | fortunate for you |
| 04:57.17 | kd8ikt | usb card code reader? |
| 04:57.21 | kd8ikt | car* |
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| 04:58.09 | FxChiP | but anyway |
| 04:58.10 | kd8ikt | i sees one on ebay for 20$ |
| 04:58.29 | FxChiP | if only one could get a working FR on eBay for $20 |
| 04:58.31 | SpeedEvil | fk: where are you? |
| 04:58.36 | SpeedEvil | fx: |
| 04:59.27 | FxChiP | SpeedEvil, northern California |
| 04:59.48 | Dave | hehe |
| 05:00.17 | FxChiP | Why? |
| 05:00.55 | FxChiP | pokes SpeedEvil |
| 05:01.25 | Dave | throws a freerunner at fxchip |
| 05:01.33 | FxChiP | catches gratefully |
| 05:01.40 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: idly wondering if I happened to know of any suitable carrier in your area. |
| 05:01.42 | Dave | oh shit |
| 05:01.43 | FxChiP | miraculously fixes all problems |
| 05:01.46 | Dave | :O |
| 05:01.52 | FxChiP | now has excellent phone of wondrousness |
| 05:01.57 | Dave | hah! |
| 05:01.59 | Dave | as if :P |
| 05:02.09 | FxChiP | http://cgi.ebay.com/Openmoko-Neo-Freerunner-Smartphone-Unlocked_W0QQitemZ400007325893QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item400007325893&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 WHAT THE FFFFFFFF |
| 05:02.16 | Dave | oh yeah |
| 05:02.20 | Dave | haha, I saw that one too |
| 05:02.21 | Dave | hilarious |
| 05:02.31 | FxChiP | "HI WE ARE GOING TO SELL IT FOR $100 MORE THAN RETAIL" |
| 05:02.37 | FxChiP | "PLUS SHIPPING" |
| 05:02.39 | Dave | dude, the fact that it's "UNLOCK" TOTALLY makes it worth the extra few hundred dollars! |
| 05:02.43 | Dave | and yeah, FREE SHIPPING! |
| 05:02.50 | FxChiP | headdesks |
| 05:02.54 | FxChiP | yes |
| 05:02.54 | Dave | :D |
| 05:02.57 | FxChiP | because the stock phone is totally locked |
| 05:02.58 | FxChiP | to one provider |
| 05:03.05 | FxChiP | because that totally wouldn't defeat the purpose of having a 100% open phone |
| 05:03.07 | FxChiP | totally not |
| 05:03.08 | Dave | I think the scarrier or sadder part will be if that person gets bids :p |
| 05:04.35 | Dave | Fxchip: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=3 :) |
| 05:04.44 | Dave | check that out if you haven't seen it yet. |
| 05:05.03 | FxChiP | that fucking rocks |
| 05:05.09 | FxChiP | the screenshots aren't even loaded yet and they look hot |
| 05:05.12 | Dave | hot, right? |
| 05:05.18 | Dave | :D |
| 05:06.20 | FxChiP | yes |
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| 05:06.21 | FxChiP | hot |
| 05:06.30 | SpeedEvil | I want to be able to buy a OM phone eventually locked to a carrier. |
| 05:06.36 | SpeedEvil | Subsidised by that carrier. |
| 05:06.52 | SpeedEvil | As with any other phone. |
| 05:06.55 | Dave | Are you being sarcastic, speedevil? |
| 05:06.59 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 05:07.02 | Dave | What the fuck? |
| 05:07.10 | FxChiP | Honestly |
| 05:07.14 | FxChiP | I believe that would defeat the purpose |
| 05:07.18 | Dave | Is that because you want to use it as a phone, and you are poor? |
| 05:07.22 | Dave | Fxchip, yeah |
| 05:07.29 | Dave | I'd say it defeats a small purpose of the phone. |
| 05:07.34 | SpeedEvil | Simply as many of the 'SIM only' tarrifs are approximately the same price as a SIM+Phone tarrif. |
| 05:07.40 | Dave | Since most phones can actually be unlocked. |
| 05:07.53 | SpeedEvil | And that'd be a phone of about the same retail price as the FR. |
| 05:08.03 | Dave | so you're talking money here |
| 05:08.10 | FxChiP | Most phones can be; most providers won't. |
| 05:08.23 | Dave | I do ;) |
| 05:08.35 | SpeedEvil | So it's A) SIM only. B) subsidised FR + contract for a little more, or subsidised nokia or whatever +contract. |
| 05:09.06 | Dave | and it's funny, because in europe, you not only have better deals, but more providers as well :) |
| 05:09.11 | SpeedEvil | I don't see why I should need to go the route of finding a nokia/... that can be unlocked, then selling that on ebay to get money to buy my FR. |
| 05:09.25 | SpeedEvil | Well - in some ways. |
| 05:09.42 | FxChiP | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/91b5c5e16a1b93428a0773574fdb20fa.png lol glamo |
| 05:09.54 | Dave | :D |
| 05:10.15 | SpeedEvil | There are some remarkably good tarrifs - for example - I'm on a pay-as-you-go tarrif that credit does not expire, and is capped at 1 pound a day for data access (some days I've done 40M for 1 pound). |
| 05:11.20 | SpeedEvil | But once you start comparing tarrifs with 'free' phones to ones with only the SIM, it's quite obvious that the SIM only contract they make 100 or more quid over the lifetime of teh contract extra out of you, as they are often almost the same price - minus an expensive phone. |
| 05:11.54 | FxChiP | What distribution is that in the screenshots? |
| 05:13.25 | SpeedEvil | (talking of the UK) |
| 05:14.27 | FxChiP | Dave |
| 05:14.58 | Dave | SHR |
| 05:15.59 | FxChiP | SHR? |
| 05:16.23 | SpeedEvil | ~shr |
| 05:16.24 | apt | i guess shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 05:17.43 | FxChiP | looks ince |
| 05:17.44 | FxChiP | nice* |
| 05:17.53 | Dave | Yeah |
| 05:17.57 | Dave | It's finally coming all together :) |
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| 05:22.26 | Dave | Sarguns |
| 05:24.09 | FxChiP | indeed it is |
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| 05:26.01 | FxChiP | AHAHA |
| 05:26.05 | FxChiP | MULTIPLE DESKTOPS ON A PHONE |
| 05:26.09 | FxChiP | PRICELESS! :D |
| 05:27.38 | kd8ikt | enlightenment is pretty neat... |
| 05:30.53 | kd8ikt | isnt every om distro -debian using enlightenment now? |
| 05:30.56 | kd8ikt | i think so |
| 05:31.09 | Dave | Fxchip, yes :D |
| 05:31.26 | raster | pwn3d :) |
| 05:31.39 | Dave | raster ftw |
| 05:31.59 | FxChiP | raster ftw |
| 05:34.52 | raster | wtf |
| 05:40.06 | FxChiP | what? |
| 05:42.41 | rooly | wft |
| 05:42.54 | rooly | "what f***s thee?" |
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| 05:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.17 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 05:55.46 | skbohra1 | Hi |
| 05:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: pffffff..... |
| 05:55.58 | skbohra1 | can i install android on openmoko emulator |
| 05:56.08 | skbohra1 | conceptually |
| 05:56.11 | SpeedEvil | doesn't suffer. |
| 05:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 05:57.07 | SpeedEvil | Also I only have GTA01 - and it needs charged ATM. |
| 05:58.14 | SpeedEvil | Is gthere a comparable 01 page - or not yet. |
| 05:58.18 | skbohra1 | ?? |
| 05:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: look to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 05:58.54 | SpeedEvil | may have failed reading comprehension. |
| 05:58.56 | FxChiP|10000BCan | goodnight people |
| 05:58.58 | SpeedEvil | tries again. |
| 05:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: recent update unifies 01/02 |
| 05:59.35 | SpeedEvil | oh right - I believed the introduction. |
| 05:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | ops, leme see.... |
| 06:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | better? |
| 06:01.37 | SpeedEvil | charges his laz^H^H^Hneo1973. |
| 06:02.10 | SpeedEvil | departs for bath. |
| 06:02.19 | SpeedEvil | a bath, not the town. |
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| 06:21.18 | skbohra | how to get qemu working |
| 06:21.55 | skbohra | is it openmoko/qemu-auto.sh |
| 06:22.20 | skbohra | it gives me a menu |
| 06:22.41 | skbohra | selecting boot option doesn't give anything |
| 06:24.02 | skbohra | help me! :'( |
| 06:26.35 | skbohra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:31.18 | kd8ikt | omg SpeedEvil is a baathist |
| 06:31.29 | kd8ikt | sssh dont tell bush |
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| 06:33.34 | cjb_ie | it's okay, his days are numbered |
| 06:33.39 | kd8ikt | night all is 130am EST |
| 06:34.17 | cjb_ie | morning: 630GMT |
| 06:34.36 | kd8ikt | yikes |
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| 06:36.50 | kd8ikt | well this is kd8ikt live from across the pond through the transatlantic fiber optic or satalite linking us all together and goodnight and have a pleasant tomorrow |
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| 06:37.17 | cjb_ie | i'll try |
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| 06:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | kd8ikt: ..wherevere you are. |
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| 08:18.29 | methril | G'morning |
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| 08:41.21 | pooze | hey guys... now I just installed the testing image for 2008.x to see if I could get a working settings application. |
| 08:41.34 | pooze | that did work, but I have no other applications, and can't seem to be able to ssh into it. |
| 08:42.08 | pooze | does anybody know how I can install programs to it without sshing in and setting the dns-servers? |
| 08:42.08 | Yashy | I go from full battery to dead in 3 hours now... I hope the lack of battery optimization has not fscked the longevity in my battery and someday it will last longer |
| 08:42.16 | pooze | or how I could try to get into the phone anyway somehow? |
| 08:42.35 | Yashy | pooze: wifi or usb in? |
| 08:42.49 | pooze | Yashy: 3 hours seems extreme, you're using bluetooth, wifi and gps constantly? |
| 08:43.16 | Yashy | that was with no bluetooth, GPS and wifi only 1/2 the time |
| 08:43.30 | Yashy | no GPS |
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| 08:43.35 | pooze | Yashy: I'm trying usb in... setting the usb interface address to 192.168.0.200 as usual, and trying to ssh to 192.168.0.202. But "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host" |
| 08:44.15 | pooze | Yashy: strange.. I have more than 24 hours for my phone... but that is without any wifi at all. |
| 08:44.28 | Yashy | pooze: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner might help? |
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| 08:45.35 | pooze | Yashy: you refer to the usb networking section? |
| 08:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | Yashy: take out sim, problem will vanish. This much power consumption can only be caused by GSM constantly transmitting. Probably you see extreme form of #1024, or you're running GPRS all the time... sth like that |
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| 08:47.12 | pooze | Yashy: There is no problem setting up usb-networking and ssh'ing into the phone when I used the stable image with testing updates. Just wondering if there is a security issue disabling ssh or something by default. Or if the phones ip address has changed to 192.168.0.203 or some other funny change. |
| 08:47.15 | Yashy | pooze: I'd try it and wifi if you have an AP nearby. |
| 08:48.15 | Yashy | DocS: What is #1024? A bug number? I use my neo primarily as a cell, so I sorta need the SIM card in it. How can I see if I have GPRS running? I shouldn't need it... |
| 08:48.22 | pooze | Yashy, ok, thanks for the help. No wifi here though. :-/ |
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| 08:49.20 | Yashy | pooze: I don't believe the IP has ever changed. Perhaps you need to re-restup your desktop to route for the Neo? |
| 08:49.24 | pooze | Yashy: #1024 is a bug where the calypso gsm modem is losing its connection when entering deep sleep mode. |
| 08:49.44 | Yashy | ah I had turned off sleep mode, perhaps that is why? |
| 08:50.27 | pooze | Yashy: hmm.. but the only thing that should be needed is to set up the desktop to have an ip on the 192.168.0.0/24 network to get a direct access... routing the neo to the internet is of no use until the local connection is up. |
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| 08:50.50 | pooze | Yashy: yes.. that is probably why.. :) I keep mine is sleepmode unless I'm actually using it. |
| 08:51.31 | Yashy | good to know |
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| 08:52.40 | Yashy | I think I'm going to try FDOM, I only get like 4 apps with the latest 2008.9 rootfs |
| 08:53.17 | pooze | you can install more apps on it, you know. |
| 08:53.50 | pooze | you have the installer, with a rather limited number of applications, and then you can look for ipk packages elsewhere on the net as well |
| 08:54.05 | Yashy | I didn't see any exiting ones in the installer, and opkg didn't seem to be working on the CLI |
| 08:54.35 | pooze | hmm... strange.. mine works flawlessly... if I could actually manage to get to the CLI though. :-/ |
| 08:56.31 | Yashy | yeah I don't either unless I ssh in, I see no terminal. Only contacts, dialer, locations, mesages, settings, soduko and webbrowser, and I think I added the web browser |
| 08:57.29 | pooze | Yashy: hmm... there should be a terminal or two in the "Development" section if I remember right. |
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| 09:04.25 | Yashy | sweet, thanks |
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| 09:20.34 | henk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker#Realization says the display locker is already intgrated in om2008.8. where do i find it? |
| 09:21.13 | henk | i only know about pressing the aux button for locking, but that only shows "LOCKED" on the display. |
| 09:21.24 | laen | there you go ;) |
| 09:22.17 | henk | ok? so i just need another theme to get that nice 'pull-something-up-to-something-else' interface? |
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| 09:23.19 | dent | morgen |
| 09:23.43 | henk | laen: is that so? if not i don't know what you mean. |
| 09:24.07 | laen | Ask dent. |
| 09:24.23 | laen | Goeiemorgen dent :) |
| 09:24.35 | dent | doesn't use 200x.y |
| 09:24.45 | laen | neither |
| 09:24.47 | dent | I only toy with FSO... and occasionally screw the wiki :)) |
| 09:25.25 | dent | laen: Gaymorgen? what's that? :) |
| 09:25.44 | laen | :P |
| 09:26.08 | dent | ah, .nl... I thought it sounds dutch-ish :-P |
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| 09:27.17 | henk | borg_: ping |
| 09:27.18 | laen | Oo |
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| 09:33.58 | nano- | Hey, where did the androidfs.jffs2 go? |
| 09:34.15 | nano- | It was in http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ yesterday, but I downloaded to /tmp and rebooted :/ |
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| 09:38.27 | gromez | nano-: check community ML |
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| 09:40.55 | nano- | gromez: Do you know if Freerunner kernel/image works on 1973= |
| 09:40.57 | nano- | ? |
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| 09:43.12 | gromez | nano-: no, no idea |
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| 09:44.50 | nano- | gromez: not even in the case of openmoko? |
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| 09:47.41 | gromez | nano-: for openmoko there are gta01 and gta02 images, so no problems |
| 09:48.25 | nano- | gromez: The question was if a gta02 image booted on a gta01. |
| 09:49.07 | gromez | i don't know |
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| 09:49.59 | nano- | gromez: ok. |
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| 10:51.04 | Daramarak | Just reflased my gta02 to 2008.9, but when I try to update I get error 0 an all repositories. Anyone got a clue? |
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| 10:52.06 | Daramarak | I actually reflashed it, not reflased ;) |
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| 11:07.19 | Tm_T | Daramarak: it's stable release you're using |
| 11:07.44 | Tm_T | Daramarak: so prolly no upgrades have been made in stable tree, I guess |
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| 11:12.06 | Daramarak | ok |
| 11:12.53 | Daramarak | But should opkg then respond with Error 0? |
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| 11:32.30 | m0nt0 | hi everybody! |
| 11:32.59 | m0nt0 | any news on the WSoD bug? sorry, i'm changing the pc so i can't read the various ml |
| 11:33.54 | lindi- | read the ml on your phone :) |
| 11:34.28 | lindi- | m0nt0: must be odd bug, i have never seen it |
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| 11:35.41 | m0nt0 | lindi-: can't use it as a phone right now, outside there are less than 10°C and the WSoD is appearing also if i hold the FR in my pocket |
| 11:38.58 | pooze | does anybody know where I can find information on what to install on the daily build image in order to use it as a phone? Currently I have only the settings application. |
| 11:39.21 | pooze | I tried to search google and the wiki pages. |
| 11:40.13 | lindi- | m0nt0: 5.19 here :) |
| 11:40.25 | lindi- | m0nt0: as you can see from http://outside.hut.fi/ |
| 11:40.45 | m0nt0 | lindi-: loool |
| 11:41.12 | m0nt0 | lindi-: but i assume that you are not affected by that nasty bug |
| 11:41.27 | lindi- | sounds like hardware issue indeed |
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| 11:43.05 | m0nt0 | yeah i know, i'm also soooo lucky |
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| 12:00.03 | pooze | any clues on where I can find information on which applications to install on the daily built base image in order to get telephony capabilities? |
| 12:03.04 | polz | pooze: use SHR or FSO images. |
| 12:03.26 | pooze | shakes his head |
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| 12:03.40 | pooze | I'm going to use the testing.. just need to figure out which packages are "missing" |
| 12:04.17 | pooze | I haven't tried SHR, but as I've read, the feeling I'm having is that it's not a phone yet. |
| 12:04.44 | pooze | last time I tried FSO, it managed to take all my sms messages in my inbox, and boldly forward it back to the sender... |
| 12:04.46 | pooze | all of them... |
| 12:04.49 | pooze | without me knowing. |
| 12:05.08 | pooze | my bet is that it is going to take a VERY LONG time until I will try FSO again. |
| 12:08.47 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03charlie * r4797 10/developers/charlie/Wiki/ (ARC ATCommands Battery Hardware TestingGSM Tichy Todo): Personal wiki update |
| 12:08.48 | Daramarak | hahaha, nasty bug. The FR is indeed an entertaining device. |
| 12:08.52 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rd6f523c0e3a5 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): etk: extending the etk_scrolled_view with STOPTOOBJECT mode. |
| 12:09.12 | pooze | :p |
| 12:09.15 | pooze | I know it is. |
| 12:09.19 | pooze | but it's my only phone |
| 12:09.26 | pooze | which mean I would like to have phone apps on it. |
| 12:09.59 | Daramarak | Yeah, for me too. Thats why I had to go back to 2008.9 |
| 12:10.20 | pooze | I thought the GTA01 would be for developers and GTA02 would be for main-stream usage with a fully functional and stable base-system but few and buggy under-development applications for GPS, Wifi, games and other stuff. |
| 12:10.46 | pooze | going back to 2008.9 is not an option either.. I need the #1024 patch, which is only in testing. |
| 12:11.27 | dns53 | anyone know when there will be a 2008.10/11/12 ? |
| 12:12.05 | gromez | when it will be done |
| 12:12.21 | pooze | "when it will be done" is a good answer.. |
| 12:12.23 | pooze | but... |
| 12:12.55 | Daramarak | I don't know is a similar answer |
| 12:12.55 | pooze | isn't the freerunner in such a state that there will be huge and major and important bugfixes every month? |
| 12:13.05 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03charlie * r4798 10/developers/charlie/Tests/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Add some test scripts |
| 12:13.41 | pooze | I'm surprised to see it takes so long between each "stable" release in such early stages of development. |
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| 12:13.51 | Daramarak | It would be fine if the OM team would share its time estimates. |
| 12:14.16 | gromez | like FSO team :) |
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| 12:14.25 | pooze | ubuntu releases twice a year... which is fine, since the "previous version" is stable. |
| 12:14.39 | Daramarak | I agree pooze |
| 12:15.01 | borg_ | henk: the display locker is in neod, i believe non of the images uses neod today |
| 12:15.05 | pooze | openmoko should release once or twice a month, as the "previous release" isn't.. and the current bleeding edge includes new bugs, but also important fixes. |
| 12:15.14 | gromez | we could not compare OM with Canonical/Ubuntu |
| 12:15.48 | pooze | not at the current stage, of course.. which is why I think they should release more often. |
| 12:16.43 | pooze | just my 3,5 norwegian crowns. |
| 12:16.49 | pooze | (about 50 cents) |
| 12:16.53 | Daramarak | And have a system for it. A fixed release every 14 days or month with the fixes and improvements that are done. |
| 12:17.12 | pooze | Daramarak: yes.. that's what I would like. ;) |
| 12:17.55 | pooze | use the most stable software the QA-team has found so far.. put it into an image.. and keep the bleeding-edge images with the latest updates which can well be buggy. |
| 12:17.56 | Daramarak | That would provide them with better feedback too. |
| 12:18.04 | henk | borg_: ok, thanks :) |
| 12:18.48 | Daramarak | You have a unstable GSM connection pooze, what are your location and provider? |
| 12:19.32 | pooze | like the #1024 which went into the testing repo 3 weeks ago... why are they not in any stable image? i would consider that a very important fix... (the only reason I need the testing image in the first place) |
| 12:20.01 | pooze | Daramarak: Telenor and located in Oslo. |
| 12:20.36 | lindi- | pooze: isn't adding a single command something a user can do easily? |
| 12:20.51 | pooze | lindi-: which single command? |
| 12:21.12 | lindi- | pooze: AT%SLEEP=2 |
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| 12:21.30 | Daramarak | pooze: Diffrent location and provider from me then (Chess/NetCom Trondheim) |
| 12:22.08 | pooze | lindi-: ah... yes, but very annoying to do on the phone between each call (as I remember it has to be done between each call?) |
| 12:22.20 | lindi- | pooze: you modify the softwre to send it |
| 12:22.39 | lindi- | pooze: no, you only need to send it once after it has been powered up |
| 12:23.43 | pooze | lindi-: ah, ok... so it was the echo cancellation-thing that was reset after each call? |
| 12:24.17 | pooze | but yes... I could try to set up a building environment and add the patch myself. |
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| 12:24.19 | lindi- | pooze: no idea |
| 12:24.57 | pooze | but it doesn't really solve the other issue... getting important fixes that turns out to be stable early. |
| 12:25.13 | pooze | sure, they shouldn't commit directly to the stable repository |
| 12:25.29 | pooze | but when was the last stable image? wasn't it 16th or 26th of september or something? |
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| 12:26.25 | lindi- | pooze: again, adding something simple like this should be something every user can do :) |
| 12:26.41 | pooze | every developer at least. |
| 12:26.48 | lindi- | every user should be developer right now ;) |
| 12:26.51 | pooze | not sure if everybody can set up an embedded building environment. |
| 12:27.00 | pooze | hehe... true. ;) |
| 12:27.14 | pooze | sad, but true... |
| 12:27.20 | pooze | as non-developers can give usefull feedback as well. |
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| 13:06.45 | XorA | oh dear the jokes are getting worse |
| 13:07.33 | leinir | i liked the last one there *giggles* :) |
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| 13:12.35 | henk | can i import maps for navit (europe.navit.bin.zip) to tangogps? |
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| 13:16.54 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:17.01 | SpeedEvil | tangogps only understands raster maps. |
| 13:19.00 | henk | SpeedEvil: could the osm files work? like europe.osm.bz2 (don't know the contents yet, still downloading) |
| 13:19.20 | XorA | a personal map of raster in every phone :-) |
| 13:19.26 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:19.46 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: generally, avoid downloading hundreds of meg files without knowing what tehy're for. |
| 13:19.50 | SpeedEvil | kenk: |
| 13:19.53 | SpeedEvil | meh. |
| 13:20.07 | henk | o_O so i will have to download every map i need via tangogps itsel? |
| 13:20.28 | SpeedEvil | henk: the OSM of europe is a huge XML file, listing all the individual nodes and ways (collections of nodes) |
| 13:20.39 | SpeedEvil | It is almost certainly not what you want. |
| 13:20.52 | SpeedEvil | You can implement your own server, and go from OSM->tiles. |
| 13:21.09 | henk | 'grml.org' damn... |
| 13:21.11 | SpeedEvil | But not on the phone. |
| 13:21.47 | henk | tangogps looks so useful... a pity it can't use those maps. |
| 13:21.52 | henk | SpeedEvil: thanks! |
| 13:22.12 | SpeedEvil | kenk: you download tiles from the server on your home connection. |
| 13:22.21 | SpeedEvil | henkie: and then save tehm on the SD. |
| 13:22.38 | henk | SpeedEvil: seems i will have to... |
| 13:22.50 | cjb_ie | ideally tangogps would be able to render on the fly |
| 13:23.20 | cjb_ie | gpsdrive can hook up to a renderer (forget whether mapnik or osmarender) and create that effect |
| 13:23.25 | SpeedEvil | Ideally, <insert hypobolic ideal thing that I'm too tired to think of> |
| 13:23.29 | henk | is navit any good? is it worth looking for the unfulfilled depencies? |
| 13:23.53 | Wonka | cjb_ie: render on the fly? from about 9GB raw data that is stored where? |
| 13:23.58 | henk | dependencies that is of course... hate that word. |
| 13:24.03 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: it's not that bad |
| 13:24.13 | cjb_ie | Wonka: well, you don't load the /entire/ dataset... |
| 13:24.18 | Wonka | but then, 9GB is _all_ there is - i'd be satisfied with raw data from all of europe |
| 13:24.22 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: the data can be compressed a fair part, and indexed. |
| 13:24.34 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: 9GB compressed. 40GB uncompressed. |
| 13:24.41 | Wonka | or so i read... |
| 13:24.48 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: compressed in other ways than bzip. |
| 13:24.54 | Wonka | okay :) |
| 13:25.15 | lindi- | i have navit in my debian repo |
| 13:25.19 | Wonka | stuff thrown out that wouldn't be rendered anyways.. |
| 13:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: no |
| 13:25.25 | lindi- | apt-get will handle dependencies automatically |
| 13:25.33 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: simply efficient binary representation. |
| 13:25.34 | henk | where can i get the missing packages for navit? like gtk+, libcairo2, libglib-2.0-0, libfreetype6 and libdbus-1-3? |
| 13:25.40 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: yes, that additionally |
| 13:25.53 | henk | lindi-: sorry, not running debian (yet). openmoko stable branch. |
| 13:26.02 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: i'd like it to be able to zoom in without steps |
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| 13:26.11 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: for example, instead of storing a node as a text string of 100+ chars, you store it as 10 or so bytes of compressed stuff. |
| 13:26.13 | lindi- | henk: you can easily install it to chroot to test navit |
| 13:26.14 | Wonka | iff i had more time... |
| 13:26.25 | lindi- | henk: without breaking your current install in any way |
| 13:26.31 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: ack. and leave out all the tags that are unnecessary |
| 13:26.56 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: using a local database (sqlite maybe?) might be a good thing |
| 13:27.04 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: something like that. |
| 13:27.14 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: and then, i'd like to fetch database updates, not complete dumps |
| 13:27.21 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: the base XML is absolutely not what you want to use. |
| 13:27.28 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: or even access a db over GPRS |
| 13:27.32 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: node 1 can be in america, node 2 in china. |
| 13:27.34 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: and just cache locally |
| 13:27.56 | henk | lindi-: true, but i don't really want to. i'd like to get a good gps app running in Om-stable. i'll probably switch to debian when i'm fed up with it in a few days ;) |
| 13:28.29 | henk | lindi-: you don't coincidently have any experience running fvwm on the FR do you? |
| 13:28.36 | SpeedEvil | has. |
| 13:28.39 | SpeedEvil | Though not natively. |
| 13:28.47 | SpeedEvil | Through the USB connection. |
| 13:28.54 | SpeedEvil | Worked fine. |
| 13:28.59 | SpeedEvil | Actually I was using fvwm95 |
| 13:29.02 | henk | SpeedEvil: ah, good to hear :) |
| 13:29.07 | henk | SpeedEvil: on debian? |
| 13:29.11 | Wonka | has had xfce on his FR |
| 13:29.12 | SpeedEvil | no - slackware |
| 13:29.18 | Wonka | (debian) |
| 13:29.27 | lindi- | henk: apt-get --build source fvwm works here |
| 13:29.35 | Wonka | i like matchbox-wm more, with fbpanel |
| 13:29.37 | henk | lindi-: there is no package available? |
| 13:29.45 | Wonka | although e17 and illume might be fun too |
| 13:29.47 | henk | package as in binary package |
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| 13:30.07 | lindi- | henk: apt-get install fvwm then |
| 13:30.13 | lindi- | henk: i thought you wanted to compile it |
| 13:30.18 | lindi- | but i misread |
| 13:31.10 | henk | lindi-: ah ok, thanks. i know how to operate debian though ;) just wanted to ask how usable fvwm is on that kind of hardware. |
| 13:31.34 | lindi- | henk: i use icewm |
| 13:31.40 | lindi- | henk: it should be quite similar |
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| 13:31.57 | SpeedEvil | If you're using a pointer basically anything usable with a 1-button mouse is fine |
| 13:34.07 | henk | lindi-: it's just that i love fvwm and think it's customizability would be great on a touchscreen device. especially because of what SpeedEvil says: 1-button mouse is still very configurable in fvwm |
| 13:34.27 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Mobile_Binary_Protocol |
| 13:37.17 | Dave | all the data?? |
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| 13:39.42 | SpeedEvil | all the data? |
| 13:42.48 | Dave | gps |
| 13:43.27 | SpeedEvil | feeds daves output into a decryptor, and gets an explosion of butterflies. |
| 13:43.51 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: with a 1-button mouse and no keyboard. some functionality on macs is available via ctrl-click, meta-click, ... |
| 13:44.11 | SpeedEvil | 'open virtual keyboard'. |
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| 13:50.02 | Daramarak | On a touchpad one should be able to do gestures to simulate ctrl-click and other mouse actions. |
| 13:50.20 | lindi- | Daramarak: you just need sticky ctrl |
| 13:50.29 | Daramarak | Impractical |
| 13:50.36 | lindi- | Daramarak: the real issue is how you get "next click will be right click" -button |
| 13:50.44 | leinir | tap+hold |
| 13:51.25 | lindi- | leinir: the software will first see left click then? |
| 13:51.34 | leinir | coupled with a visualisation (circle filling up around the cursor or somesuch) it's a tried-and-tested right-click replacement |
| 13:52.12 | leinir | The input driver should be the one taking care of that, the software should never know about it at all :) |
| 13:52.16 | TAsn | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd - added a new version, you are more than welcomed to check it out and give me some more ideas ;] |
| 13:52.40 | lindi- | leinir: really? |
| 13:53.04 | Daramarak | That is ok, but I still would have to open the keyboard to effectivly use many applications. |
| 13:53.21 | leinir | Well, why should tap+hold emulate a right click if you've got a mouse plugged in which has its own right mouse button? |
| 13:53.41 | leinir | So, the touchscreen xorg input driver needs to do that particular bit of magic :) |
| 13:53.57 | lindi- | leinir: i just am unsure about doing these things so that normal user can't change them |
| 13:54.43 | leinir | Well, make it a driver option then |
| 13:54.53 | XorA | leinir: I think there is a patch in its git repo to do it |
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| 13:54.56 | leinir | The point i'm making is that it's how it's done in multitudious other places :) |
| 13:54.57 | henk | on the agenda vr3 one of the buttons was used to simulate shift, perhaps the aux button could be used to simulate ctrl or something like that? |
| 13:55.00 | leinir | XorA: Nifty :) |
| 13:55.11 | XorA | sure I saw one somewhere |
| 13:56.01 | leinir | henk: The problem with doing that is, we only have two hardware buttons... |
| 13:56.13 | leinir | Their functions need to be *really* well thought through |
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| 13:56.48 | SpeedEvil | you can use another finger on the touchscreen to 'click' |
| 13:57.02 | henk | leinir: yep, that's a real problem... |
| 13:57.12 | henk | does the touchscreen support multiple fingers? |
| 13:57.26 | leinir | Nope, not really |
| 13:57.28 | SpeedEvil | a touch at a location, a instantaneous slew without release to another location, and again back to the starting point |
| 13:57.47 | SpeedEvil | The way it doesn't support it can be used though. |
| 13:58.28 | TAsn | leinir, i think the touchscreen's hw does support multi touch and the problem is with the firmware, am i correct or am i just making this up? |
| 13:58.34 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: no |
| 13:58.38 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: you're making it up |
| 13:58.44 | TAsn | damn ;] |
| 13:58.49 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: the touchscreen has four wires. |
| 13:59.21 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: two pairs of two. These are connected to the horizontal and vertical edges of two closely spaced films. |
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| 13:59.33 | TAsn | fair enough ;] |
| 13:59.34 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: horizontal on one, vertical on the other |
| 14:00.30 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: don't power the horizontal, power vertical from the power supply, read voltage off horizontal electrode, and you've got the vertical point. |
| 14:00.38 | SpeedEvil | repeat for the other axes |
| 14:00.56 | TAsn | i didn't know you are into hw as well as software ;] |
| 14:01.04 | SpeedEvil | Anyway. If you have one touch, and touch the display somewhere else, the touch point sensed 'jumps' |
| 14:01.36 | SpeedEvil | Exactly which way it jumps and what the exact function is varies with details of the circuitry |
| 14:04.18 | TAsn | I can always practice finger tap dancing in order to emulate multi-touch ;] |
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| 14:06.23 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: whoah, compressed planet 180MB... nice one. |
| 14:06.37 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: that would have been a _long_ time ago |
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| 14:21.40 | TAsn | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=3 |
| 14:21.52 | TAsn | people actually made some slick looking designs. |
| 14:21.58 | Dave | YES |
| 14:22.02 | Dave | Glad you noticed :p |
| 14:22.30 | TAsn | Dave, well there isn't anything in the wiki!!! |
| 14:22.32 | TAsn | ;[ |
| 14:22.42 | TAsn | where can I get them from? ;] |
| 14:23.21 | Daramarak | Nice! |
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| 14:27.09 | Wonka | hmm... i'm just thinking about some finger drawing app... |
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| 14:27.24 | Wonka | (reading backlog) |
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| 14:27.42 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: that's what's given on that binary stuff page you pointed me at |
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| 14:28.18 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: check the date on that page when that was added. |
| 14:28.26 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: check the growth curve |
| 14:28.27 | soundar | how to install android on neo1973 ? |
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| 14:29.11 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: we learn: don't give that kind of data on that kind of wiki :) |
| 14:30.32 | soundar | installing Android on Neo1973 ? |
| 14:31.30 | toggles_w | soundar: ask Dave |
| 14:32.25 | toggles_w | soundar: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aopenmoko.org+android |
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| 14:33.38 | TAsn | I'm experiencing something very weird with projects.openmoko.org . I tried registering a project about a week ago, it wasn't yet approved, though I have it in the quickjump to combo box and when I try to go there it says invalid project ;] |
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| 14:37.04 | Zorkman | TAsn: is this a project to make the FR a workable phone? :) |
| 14:39.27 | Zorkman | i'm still experiencing http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/217 (no resume on incomming call*sms) |
| 14:39.33 | Zorkman | can anybody else confirm this? |
| 14:39.41 | Zorkman | i'm going to reopen it |
| 14:40.15 | TAsn | I can't confirm it. |
| 14:40.25 | TAsn | I use shr and didn't encounter anything like that. |
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| 14:40.34 | TAsn | btw Zorkman, it's siglaunchd |
| 14:40.39 | TAsn | and a new version is out |
| 14:40.41 | TAsn | as I promised |
| 14:40.44 | Zorkman | nice |
| 14:40.48 | Zorkman | is it available somewhere? |
| 14:40.56 | Zorkman | but i think i'l first going to reflash to shr if that works |
| 14:40.59 | TAsn | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd |
| 14:41.09 | Zorkman | TAsn: do you use shr as daily phone? |
| 14:41.17 | TAsn | yes and no. |
| 14:41.22 | Zorkman | does it unsuspend in time when you receive a call/sms? |
| 14:41.22 | TAsn | I use it as a daily phone |
| 14:41.24 | Zorkman | echo? |
| 14:41.25 | jerojasro | hi all. I heard one company took the openmoko design, and built a GPS based navigation device for vehicles. DO any of you remember the name of that company? |
| 14:41.33 | TAsn | though I keep my nokia with me as backup. |
| 14:41.56 | TAsn | jerojasro, openmoko? they also have a gps device. ;] |
| 14:42.03 | Zorkman | jerojasro: dasher? |
| 14:42.04 | zash | Dash |
| 14:42.20 | jerojasro | Zorkman: yes, I think that's the name, thanks |
| 14:42.20 | TAsn | Zorkman, it does unsuspend on calls, haven't tried with sms. |
| 14:42.25 | TAsn | a very weak echo |
| 14:42.41 | TAsn | and sometimes a bit of buzzing (on my side) |
| 14:42.54 | Zorkman | if it's only on my side i can live with it |
| 14:42.59 | Zorkman | other issues i should know? |
| 14:42.59 | TAsn | same here ;] |
| 14:43.10 | jerojasro | dash. thanks all |
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| 14:43.31 | TAsn | hmm illume sometimes crash, though only once per boot |
| 14:43.38 | Zorkman | :d |
| 14:43.42 | TAsn | and you all need to do is press a little button for it to restart. |
| 14:43.42 | TAsn | ;] |
| 14:43.46 | TAsn | so it's ok. |
| 14:43.47 | TAsn | ;] |
| 14:43.58 | TAsn | and you apps stay open cause it's only illume, not X. |
| 14:44.26 | TAsn | Zorkman, anyhow, check out the new config I put there (it's also the default now) and tell me what you think. |
| 14:44.30 | Zorkman | what do you mean they stay open? |
| 14:44.40 | TAsn | let's say you have minimo open |
| 14:44.44 | TAsn | illume crashes |
| 14:44.57 | TAsn | you press on a button in the popup announcing the crash |
| 14:45.00 | TAsn | illume restarts |
| 14:45.13 | TAsn | though even whil restart (and after restart) minimo stays open |
| 14:45.20 | TAsn | i.e all good ;] |
| 14:45.51 | Zorkman | allright, i'll back up my dictionary and give it a go |
| 14:46.10 | TAsn | Zorkman, the new siglaunchd version is set to launch a phone profile changer (silence/default) when you hold the aux for one second or more. |
| 14:46.20 | Zorkman | should i flash the latest testing? |
| 14:46.33 | Zorkman | yeah that's usefull |
| 14:46.51 | TAsn | ;] |
| 14:47.05 | Zorkman | although it might be even more usefull to let it launch something like your fso-settings and maybe incorporate the change profile button in it |
| 14:47.07 | TAsn | though I need a project page and some community ideas ;] |
| 14:47.22 | TAsn | Zorkman, really? I thought about that, though bailed out in the end. |
| 14:47.34 | Zorkman | that's just my two cents |
| 14:47.35 | TAsn | well it's highly doable, I might even get to it tonight ;] |
| 14:47.41 | Zorkman | changing profiles will not be done very often |
| 14:47.51 | TAsn | Zorkman, for you it's two cents, for me it's a dollar. ;] |
| 14:48.04 | TAsn | Zorkman, I use it every time I go to class ;] |
| 14:48.34 | TAsn | the lesson learned: give me more 2 cent tips because we both make good profit out of it ;] |
| 14:48.48 | pooze | Zorkman: I saw you mentioned flashing the testing image... you don't happen to know somewhere I can get a list of applications I would need to install additionally to get a working phone out of it? |
| 14:49.05 | Zorkman | but something like lock screen + change profile + shutdown/reboot, maybe even suspend, power on of wifi/gps/bluetooth |
| 14:49.18 | Zorkman | pooze: out of what? |
| 14:49.28 | pooze | Zorkman: out of the testing image. |
| 14:49.39 | Zorkman | TAsn; also usb host was a good idea |
| 14:49.40 | pooze | I just installed it... and I have settings and a terminal by now. |
| 14:50.03 | Zorkman | pooze; you also talking about SHR? |
| 14:50.10 | Zorkman | probably ask TAsn, he's using it already |
| 14:50.20 | pooze | ah... no.. :-/ 2008.x |
| 14:50.24 | Zorkman | aha |
| 14:50.34 | Zorkman | pooze: you can choose; qtopia or openmoko dialers |
| 14:50.42 | jonkristian | Anybody know where i could find android images? |
| 14:50.45 | Zorkman | opkg install qtopia-dialer or something like it |
| 14:50.55 | pooze | I'd like the ones that are in the stable... so qtopia that is. |
| 14:50.55 | Zorkman | yes jonkristian, give me a sec |
| 14:50.56 | TAsn | Zorkman, you are more than welcomed to edit my code, (framework-settings) though I already wrote down your ideas and probably will incorporate them in framework-settings in a few hours ;] |
| 14:51.02 | pooze | but the dialer isn't enough I guess. |
| 14:51.19 | Zorkman | pooze: you can use the graphical installer |
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| 14:51.40 | pooze | true. |
| 14:51.52 | Zorkman | TAsn; someties it seems your usb host button doesn't work 100 reliable |
| 14:51.57 | pooze | but there's no option like "install the packages which are installed by default on the stable image" |
| 14:51.58 | Zorkman | 100% |
| 14:52.11 | jonkristian | Zorkman: Think i found them |
| 14:52.13 | TAsn | Zorkman, well it uses the framework, so it actually depends on that. ;\ |
| 14:52.15 | jonkristian | So nevermind:) |
| 14:52.39 | Zorkman | jonkristian: the last one seemedo be borked btw |
| 14:52.42 | jonkristian | But, are there any unstable images anywhere? |
| 14:52.46 | jonkristian | Zorkman: ah |
| 14:52.57 | TAsn | Zorkman, you are more than welcomed to run "mdbus -s -l" in another terminal and paste me the output when it doesn't work. ;] |
| 14:53.03 | jonkristian | That's too bad |
| 14:53.17 | TAsn | or even run framework-settings from command line and tell me if you find anything useful. |
| 14:53.29 | Zorkman | there was a missing lib, but someone replaced it or something and it worked |
| 14:54.21 | TAsn | Zorkman, I'm off studying a bit, I will hopefully update it tonight. (it's 17:00 here, and night is ~1:00 ;]) |
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| 14:54.54 | Zorkman | ok |
| 14:55.03 | Zorkman | one last question TAsn: |
| 14:55.09 | Zorkman | is it allright to install the latest testing shr image? |
| 14:55.26 | TAsn | that's actually a question more suitable to #openmoko-cdevel |
| 14:55.26 | LostInSpace | anybody in here have a gta01/02 zImage?? |
| 14:55.52 | TAsn | I don't really know, and those guys there are the main shr devs. |
| 14:56.06 | jonkristian | I feel adventerous today, anything new to try out lately? |
| 14:56.08 | TAsn | I just write apps, I don't bundle distros ;] |
| 14:56.16 | TAsn | jonkristian, bungee |
| 14:56.35 | jonkristian | TAsn: boring:D |
| 14:57.12 | jonkristian | I'd rather flash my fr and break something |
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| 14:57.37 | Dave | hah |
| 14:57.41 | TAsn | jonkristian, you are more than welcomed to give those a try: |
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| 14:58.03 | mmu_man | hm anyone working on integrating the qemu mods to their svn ? |
| 14:58.05 | TAsn | sec, lost those |
| 14:58.21 | TAsn | jonkristian, those: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Tomhacohen |
| 14:58.32 | jonkristian | TAsn: I'll take a look:) |
| 14:58.35 | TAsn | and please give me some ideas ;] |
| 14:58.40 | TAsn | *more* ideas. |
| 14:58.41 | jonkristian | TAsn: sure |
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| 15:00.22 | LostInSpace | anybody? |
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| 15:01.37 | Zorkman | LostInSpace zImage? |
| 15:01.46 | LostInSpace | yes |
| 15:02.01 | LostInSpace | as far as I can tell the binary releases are special uboot format no? |
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| 15:03.49 | Zorkman | i don't understand what you are rtying to say |
| 15:04.21 | pooze | I think he's going to boot the FR with another bootloader than the uboot |
| 15:04.42 | pooze | I understood they are working on another bootloader as the uboot started growing a bit too big. |
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| 15:04.49 | Zorkman | aha |
| 15:04.50 | Zorkman | qi |
| 15:04.59 | LostInSpace | pooze, bingo on the other bootloader =) |
| 15:05.05 | lindi- | big? |
| 15:05.08 | LostInSpace | anybody in here have a zImage they know works? |
| 15:05.12 | lindi- | it does not even show battery charge yet :) |
| 15:05.23 | pooze | lindi-: :) |
| 15:05.29 | LostInSpace | yes uboot is indeed big compared to other bootloaders like vivi (deprecated) |
| 15:05.30 | Zorkman | http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-andy_7cc3d38184ae30bd.udfu |
| 15:05.35 | pooze | I don't know.. just that I read that from some mailing list or so. |
| 15:05.53 | jonkristian | Well, they're working on a new bootloader, aren't they? |
| 15:05.57 | Zorkman | yes |
| 15:05.58 | Zorkman | Qi |
| 15:06.01 | Zorkman | faster boot |
| 15:06.04 | jonkristian | Yeah, it'll be faster |
| 15:06.15 | jonkristian | But it's not stable yet, has anybody tested it? |
| 15:06.20 | LostInSpace | any off you have access to a zImage thats know to work? |
| 15:06.28 | pooze | not |
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| 15:07.36 | spacepluk | hi, I was trying to setup qemu on ubuntu following the steps on the wiki but it didn't work. Maybe the info is outdated? |
| 15:08.43 | spacepluk | I could see the boot loader but when I select boot it showed the openmoko splash for a couple of seconds and then I get the bootloader again |
| 15:09.06 | jonkristian | what's poky? another distribution? |
| 15:11.00 | balrog-k1n | jonkristian: it's a meta-distro, like OE (it's an extended OE actually) |
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| 15:11.27 | jonkristian | hm |
| 15:12.03 | jonkristian | I'm just browsing through planet. |
| 15:12.08 | balrog-k1n | it can build images for gta01/gta02 |
| 15:12.18 | jonkristian | The screenshot looked very promising, so i had to ask. |
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| 15:12.43 | balrog-k1n | well, i guess you could call it a distro, too |
| 15:12.54 | balrog-k1n | was it all green? |
| 15:12.57 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 15:13.36 | balrog-k1n | that's the "sato" engine then, poky can build poky images with sato for gta |
| 15:13.42 | balrog-k1n | and for other devices |
| 15:14.15 | mmu_man | [16:02] <mmu_man> hm anyone working on integrating the qemu mods to their svn ? |
| 15:14.53 | balrog-k1n | isn't |
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| 15:17.57 | jonkristian | is going to checkout shr again |
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| 15:18.34 | nomeata | Hi. Is Aliasid around here sometimes? |
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| 15:21.29 | Zorkman | nomeata: haven't seen that nick around, but then again, there are a lot of people in here |
| 15:21.45 | nomeata | Zorkman: thx |
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| 15:22.48 | Zorkman | apt seen aliasid |
| 15:22.52 | apt | Zorkman: i haven't seen 'aliasid' |
| 15:23.03 | Zorkman | there you go |
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| 15:28.28 | slaxxin | get that .11 image out today if u please |
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| 15:36.02 | Zorkman | damn, i forgot to backup my alsa state files |
| 15:36.12 | Zorkman | does anybody have the standard fso ms4 files? |
| 15:37.20 | skbohra | hi everybody |
| 15:37.31 | skbohra | here is a diff file http://perpetual-notion.blogspot.com/search/label/FreeRunner |
| 15:37.46 | skbohra | I am not getting how to apply this |
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| 15:47.06 | Zorkman | fso alsa states anyone? |
| 15:47.18 | Zorkman | gsmhandset.state especially |
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| 15:58.49 | jonkristian | Hm, wonder why there's no msn support in pidgin on shr |
| 15:59.07 | leinir | Because it knows MSN is made of almost pure suck ;) |
| 15:59.17 | jonkristian | Zorkman: I got a state file for gsmhandset.state which i pulled of a wiki entry somewhere |
| 15:59.27 | jonkristian | leinir: i totally agree |
| 15:59.32 | leinir | More seriously, as a workaround, you can use a jabber transport for now at any rate :) |
| 15:59.40 | jonkristian | leinir: but 90% of the people i know use it |
| 15:59.52 | leinir | i know, me too |
| 15:59.54 | jonkristian | leinir: interesting, jabber transport |
| 15:59.56 | leinir | Maybe even more |
| 15:59.59 | jonkristian | how does that work? |
| 16:00.24 | jonkristian | latest shr looks promising:) |
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| 16:03.32 | jonkristian | hm, there's a yellow guy just minuttes away from me |
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| 16:05.10 | jonkristian | in tangogps, are all the people that turn up on the map there using tangogps or? |
| 16:05.49 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.00 | jonkristian | ok |
| 16:06.06 | Zorkman | but a lot of people don't appear because they don,'t use the friends option |
| 16:06.30 | jonkristian | This guy just has JohnDoe |
| 16:06.39 | jonkristian | Doesn't say anything else |
| 16:08.37 | jonkristian | hm, does the shr come with everything built-in, or is it recommended to add the extra modules? There are module packages here, http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ I'm using shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 16:09.08 | Zorkman | don't know jonkristian; flashing it at the moment :) |
| 16:09.18 | jonkristian | Zorkman: It seems to work pretty well:) |
| 16:09.25 | Zorkman | you could ask it in #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 16:11.05 | jonkristian | I hope i can get wireless working with shr, i've never gotten it to work with anything. |
| 16:11.06 | toggles_w | jonkristian: i have the same question, my phone boots up, then justhibernates and thats it, have to pulle the batt, wondering if i need those modules |
| 16:11.36 | jonkristian | toggles_w: what image are you using? |
| 16:13.33 | jonkristian | wow, i think my gps has been on a little trip, it's a red line all over the place:D |
| 16:15.00 | Zorkman | jonkristian: that is normal |
| 16:15.47 | slaxxin | jon i had wifi on the latest shr an mwesters kernel working 1 time an 1 time only an never again |
| 16:15.59 | jonkristian | k' |
| 16:16.34 | jonkristian | mofi just crashed on me after i inserted the pw |
| 16:16.40 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.49 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.22 | slaxxin | i used vagalume ,,it was great |
| 16:18.02 | toggles_w | jonkristian: openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081110-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
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| 16:19.02 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.07 | jonkristian | toggles_w: is that the same as http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 16:19.14 | jonkristian | slaxxin: just cd / |
| 16:19.18 | jonkristian | tar zxvf *.tgz |
| 16:19.45 | slaxxin | thanks from this linux newb |
| 16:20.03 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: be wary |
| 16:20.08 | Ainulindale | I included mofi on this image |
| 16:20.14 | toggles_w | jonkristian: not sure, it was the latest as of yesterday, but there is a new one now |
| 16:20.15 | Ainulindale | Its default script does ifconfig usb0 down |
| 16:20.31 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: i just downloaded that image, like 40min ago |
| 16:20.41 | Ainulindale | Yes, and? |
| 16:20.54 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: but im wondering if i need these modules, http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/modules-2.6.24+r10+gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.tgz |
| 16:21.04 | Ainulindale | You don't need them if you're using our kernel |
| 16:21.12 | slaxxin | oic |
| 16:21.24 | jonkristian | i am using uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 16:21.29 | Ainulindale | Then it's good |
| 16:21.30 | toggles_w | Ainulindale: recommended image? or just the latest? |
| 16:21.30 | jonkristian | from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
| 16:21.35 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: ok |
| 16:21.42 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: maybe there's a conflict with usb0 then |
| 16:21.51 | Ainulindale | There's no conflict with usb0 |
| 16:21.55 | Ainulindale | And what do you mean by conflict anyway? |
| 16:22.00 | slaxxin | if i use opkg upgrade will i get to current? |
| 16:22.21 | slaxxin | on shr? |
| 16:22.29 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 16:22.32 | slaxxin | ok |
| 16:22.33 | Ainulindale | Though some icons might get borked |
| 16:22.40 | Ainulindale | I still didn't figure a way to update them properly |
| 16:22.44 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: between eth0 and usb0, i remember i had a problem when i used forwarding from my computer and tried to get wlan working |
| 16:22.53 | jonkristian | icons are fine here;) |
| 16:23.14 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: yes but I'm supposed to follow the latest recommandations to set that up |
| 16:23.18 | Ainulindale | But I have other stuff to do |
| 16:23.24 | jonkristian | ok |
| 16:23.38 | peepsalot | i think I might have broken my usb port somehow, like accidentally yanking the cord. I can no longer do USB networking, and I can't get into the console mode to reflash. It only stays there for about 1 second before going back to boot menu |
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| 16:24.10 | jonkristian | peepsalot: did you yank it while flashing? |
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| 16:24.32 | peepsalot | jonkristian, no, it's just been tripped over a couple times, while charging |
| 16:24.41 | peepsalot | it boots fine |
| 16:25.25 | jonkristian | peepsalot: anything in your logs when connecting? |
| 16:25.37 | jonkristian | dmesg |
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| 16:29.06 | SpeedEvil | that'd do it. |
| 16:29.23 | SpeedEvil | Booting can work fine with a broken connector in principle. |
| 16:29.38 | SpeedEvil | does it still charge? |
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| 16:29.47 | SpeedEvil | and first - change the cable |
| 16:30.14 | peepsalot | i think it charges, i haven't really messed with it much lately |
| 16:31.11 | peepsalot | goonot sure about dmesg, i don't have the device with me, was just trying to get some ideas of some things to try later tonight |
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| 16:32.01 | BluesLee | anyone who has the old android image around? |
| 16:32.03 | jonkristian | peepsalot: change cable first, then see if it get's recognized on the logs when you connect it |
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| 16:35.49 | SpeedEvil | Then it's probably worth opening it up and looking to see if the socket is cracked off the PCB |
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| 16:38.14 | slaxxin | cracked solder part |
| 16:38.19 | slaxxin | path |
| 16:39.36 | slaxxin | does the lite image of shr still have a phone? |
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| 16:40.18 | LostInSpace | SpeedEvil, hello =) |
| 16:41.21 | SpeedEvil | hello |
| 16:44.06 | jonkristian | Alright, i got wireless, but only for like a couple of sec's, hehe, but still, it's the closest i've come. |
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| 16:47.27 | slaxxin | i stayed hooked up to vagalume for 15 minuits |
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| 16:48.07 | jonkristian | grr |
| 16:48.29 | jonkristian | My router found the found and it assigned an ip to it, still it just died |
| 16:48.40 | jonkristian | found the phone* |
| 16:49.07 | jonkristian | at least it's a step in the right direction:) |
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| 16:51.31 | wakwe | i can't figure out how to build and install libmokoui. om-conf doesn't seem to be building it properly. can anyone provide help on installing this shared library? |
| 16:52.12 | slaxxin | yea |
| 16:52.26 | slaxxin | thats not good |
| 16:52.32 | laen | Wau, this is good.. had my phone with me the whole day, and it only went down 1/5th of the battery. This is good, sexy, and such :) |
| 16:52.33 | slaxxin | we need wifi |
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| 16:52.49 | lindi- | laen: AT%SLEEP=2? |
| 16:53.18 | laen | Nah, the Qtextended with mwester's latest "unstable" listed kernel on the page. |
| 16:53.27 | jonkristian | im going to my sister to test the network there |
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| 16:53.47 | laen | Where's the AT%SLEEP=2 setting in Debian lindi-? |
| 16:54.18 | lindi- | laen: in fso-frameworkd package |
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| 16:55.14 | LostInSpace | pb_, you there? |
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| 16:57.47 | pb__ | LostInSpace: hi |
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| 16:58.17 | LostInSpace | pb_, hi |
| 16:58.25 | LostInSpace | pb_, who was it you told me might have a zImage ? |
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| 17:01.45 | gustavold | hi, to install other operating systems in openmoko, do I need that debug board? or buying only the cellphone with USB cable is enough? |
| 17:02.01 | gustavold | I'm planning to install android |
| 17:02.11 | laen | gustavold: no need for debug board |
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| 17:02.31 | BluesLee | gustavold: to you have the old android image, the one from 10.11? |
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| 17:04.13 | gustavold | BluesLee: I'm still planning... I don't have anything |
| 17:04.21 | gustavold | laen: ok, thank you |
| 17:04.29 | BluesLee | i need the old one |
| 17:04.47 | BluesLee | no one here tried the new android? |
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| 17:06.07 | Zorkman | what profile should i select when first booting shr? |
| 17:06.31 | SpeedEvil | Bull-nose. |
| 17:06.44 | SpeedEvil | has been routing. |
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| 17:07.27 | BluesLee | Zorkman: illume |
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| 17:09.28 | Zorkman | yeah i did that |
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| 17:11.14 | Zorkman | numtyphsics seems to be broken in the latest shr |
| 17:11.46 | BluesLee | Zorkman: join #openmoko-cdevel |
| 17:11.54 | mickey|sofa | ~indentaion |
| 17:11.57 | mickey|sofa | ~indentation |
| 17:11.58 | apt | [indentation] let me quote Donald E. Knuth on that: 'We will perhaps eventually be writing only small modules which are identified by name as they are used to build larger ones, so that devices like indentation, rather than delimiters, might become feasible for expressing local structure in the source language.' |
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| 17:13.08 | SpeedEvil | ~indentition |
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| 17:22.29 | fredrin | ~freerunner |
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| 17:28.17 | kd8ikt | morning |
| 17:28.23 | kd8ikt | ~morning |
| 17:28.24 | apt | Good morning! |
| 17:28.37 | laen | Evening too! |
| 17:29.00 | kd8ikt | no wait its 12:30 afternoon |
| 17:29.17 | laen | 18:27 here :) |
| 17:29.55 | zash | ~ugt |
| 17:29.55 | apt | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 17:30.03 | kd8ikt | i think your minutes are slow using ntp? |
| 17:30.20 | kd8ikt | quick lets sync watches |
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| 17:30.49 | laen | rofl @ ugt :) |
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| 17:32.08 | zash | 1227029528 |
| 17:35.44 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r776637db6312 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Timeout settings are now persistent. |
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| 17:43.05 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07stabilization/milestone4 * re594989233f2 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Timeout settings are now persistent. |
| 17:44.33 | TAsn | Zorkman, have you fixed numpty yet? |
| 17:44.46 | TAsn | because what did it for me was the sdl fix suggested in order to run pingus |
| 17:44.57 | TAsn | (btw, also install pingus, it's great;) ) |
| 17:45.07 | TAsn | or so I think anyway... |
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| 17:45.55 | Zorkman | i have fixed it |
| 17:46.27 | Zorkman | you have to install libpng3 |
| 17:47.00 | Zorkman | where is pingus located? opkg.org? |
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| 17:51.00 | TAsn | not sure |
| 17:51.07 | TAsn | just check list of games |
| 17:51.50 | TAsn | have you tried the new siglaunchd? and do you use pyphonelog? and what about framework-settings? ;] (i'm sorry im such a bug, though I really want more good ideas like you gave me this afternoon) |
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| 18:00.03 | Zorkman | TAsn: pingus doesn't work here |
| 18:00.05 | Zorkman | i get Unable to set video mode: No video mode large enough for 640x480 |
| 18:00.19 | Zorkman | TAsn: i'll retry siglaunchd |
| 18:00.34 | TAsn | cool |
| 18:00.56 | TAsn | I got pingus to work, I just installed the packages listed in the wiki page iirc |
| 18:01.00 | LostInSpace | pb_, ? |
| 18:03.15 | pb__ | LostInSpace: ah, sorry, I didn't see what you wrote before. |
| 18:03.22 | LostInSpace | pb_, tsokay =) |
| 18:03.27 | slaxxin | i recieve a call in shr an it just keeps ringing an wont stop |
| 18:03.29 | pb__ | if you say "pb_" rather than "pb__" then it doesn't highlight in this client :-} |
| 18:03.43 | LostInSpace | pb__, my bad |
| 18:03.44 | pb__ | I think it was mickey|sofa who I suggested might be able to furnish you with a zimage |
| 18:03.44 | Zorkman | TAsn: i installed siglaunchd again and pressing aux doesn't do anything |
| 18:03.58 | pb__ | LostInSpace: heh, well, no reason that you should have known which one I was using at the time |
| 18:04.08 | pb__ | I guess I should set them both to highlight on both names |
| 18:04.15 | LostInSpace | actualy you did say hi |
| 18:04.22 | LostInSpace | so i should've noticed =) |
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| 18:05.43 | TAsn | Zorkman, did you start it? |
| 18:05.52 | TAsn | /etc/init.d/siglaunchd start |
| 18:07.50 | Zorkman | sorry, thought it auto-started after installing |
| 18:07.54 | Zorkman | it does indeed work now |
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| 18:10.04 | Zorkman | TAsn: but call me stupid becaus i don't fully understand the "2>0" statement, what is the difference with "2>1" ? |
| 18:10.32 | TAsn | Zorkman, read the wiki. ;] |
| 18:10.36 | TAsn | though actually |
| 18:10.49 | TAsn | the 2 means the second argument in the signal |
| 18:10.55 | TAsn | *3rd argument |
| 18:11.13 | TAsn | and > 0 means more than 0 seconds, i.e >=1 seconds |
| 18:11.27 | TAsn | i.e it was held, not clicked. |
| 18:11.46 | TAsn | 2>1 means the 3rd argument is bigger than 1 |
| 18:11.51 | TAsn | i.e >=2 |
| 18:12.31 | TAsn | I just changed it to work after a smaller time the aux button is held. |
| 18:12.37 | TAsn | Zorkman, cool? ;] |
| 18:12.58 | Zorkman | yup |
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| 18:13.14 | TAsn | btw, I just wrote down to change the package so it will auto start after installation. |
| 18:13.27 | TAsn | btw, I know 2>1 looks confusing, I may change it to |
| 18:13.36 | TAsn | arg[2]>1 |
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| 18:13.52 | TAsn | looks more intuitive, right? |
| 18:14.04 | Zorkman | indeed, much more intuitive |
| 18:14.09 | Zorkman | have to reboot now |
| 18:14.10 | Zorkman | Failed to handle dbus error: type: <class 'framework.resource.ResourceNotEnabled'> |
| 18:14.10 | Zorkman | , 71 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 |
| 18:14.19 | Zorkman | messages and dialer won't open anymore :( |
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| 18:17.45 | LostInSpace | pb__, thanks mickey|sofa was able to help out =) |
| 18:18.50 | mickey|sofa | l8er |
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| 18:26.30 | vininim | mmm qt extended is not suspending |
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| 18:37.33 | Anacleto | kil |
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| 18:56.08 | PBeck | hi |
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| 19:37.02 | Yasumoto | Hey guys, I'm with the Southern California Linux Expo, and I was wondering if anyone would be interesting in manning a dotOrg exhibitor booth at the show? It's February 20th to 22nd in Los Angeles |
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| 19:46.51 | dent | Yasumoto: count me in - if you can get ma two way ticket europe->LA :)) |
| 19:47.12 | Yasumoto | dent: haha, ouch :) |
| 19:47.27 | dent | yeah, I was just kidding, relax ;) |
| 19:47.33 | Yasumoto | I know |
| 19:47.39 | dent | although I wouldn't mind a trip:)) |
| 19:47.46 | Yasumoto | but there is a call for papers, and the conference does have some funds set aside to help speakers out |
| 19:48.43 | kd8ikt | you here too Yasumoto |
| 19:49.00 | Yasumoto | kd8ikt: there we go, I knew I've seen you around before |
| 19:49.07 | kd8ikt | stop stalking me! ;) |
| 19:49.11 | Yasumoto | haha |
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| 19:49.21 | Yasumoto | hey, I have a freerunner |
| 19:49.24 | Yasumoto | it's okay |
| 19:49.39 | Yasumoto | FDOM ftw |
| 19:49.42 | dent | :)) |
| 19:49.47 | kd8ikt | shr>fdom |
| 19:49.56 | Yasumoto | get me a working image, and we'll talk |
| 19:50.22 | dent | \forall x FSO > x :-P |
| 19:50.36 | kd8ikt | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ theres a few here dunno which one i'm using (albiet latest) works fine |
| 19:50.36 | dent | well... except for x = FSO :) |
| 19:51.17 | kd8ikt | its not as gamey as fdom ie no duke3d pingus etc |
| 19:51.58 | Yasumoto | I really just need to sit down and figure out the tool chain to start helping with stuff |
| 19:52.09 | Yasumoto | for some reason openembedded throws me for a loop |
| 19:52.15 | kd8ikt | yeah |
| 19:52.24 | dent | Yasumoto: good luck |
| 19:52.31 | Yasumoto | haha, thanks :) |
| 19:52.35 | dent | I only managed to get the toolchain running yesterday |
| 19:52.46 | pb_ | LostInSpace: very good |
| 19:53.04 | LostInSpace | pb__, =P |
| 19:53.07 | mreimer | What's the secret to generating a uImage? I've followed the directions in the wiki using the daily dfu-util and mkimage built from OpenMoko's source, but I always get "Verifying Checksum ... Bad Data CRC" |
| 19:53.41 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: be wary of latest images |
| 19:53.45 | Ainulindale | It seems frameworkd ringtone is borked |
| 19:53.53 | Ainulindale | And I recently updated the theme and the settings app |
| 19:53.56 | Ainulindale | But I didn't regenerate it |
| 19:54.00 | Ainulindale | I will tonight |
| 19:54.08 | mreimer | Ainulindale: I like your name. That's a great story. |
| 19:54.20 | Ainulindale | Meh :) |
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| 19:55.34 | slaxxin | which date then ainulindale? |
| 19:55.44 | slaxxin | 1117 |
| 19:55.57 | slaxxin | 92 megs |
| 19:56.26 | kd8ikt | i'm trying to compile ettercap-ng |
| 19:56.59 | kd8ikt | big sloppy fail |
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| 19:59.02 | lindi- | you want to run arbitrary code others send you over network? ; |
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| 20:08.18 | quatrox | both my SDHC cards give kernel panic when trying to mount / - I will blacklist them on the wiki |
| 20:09.18 | lindi- | quatrox: can you read data from them? |
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| 20:10.11 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: something wrong with the latest shr images? |
| 20:10.16 | quatrox | yes |
| 20:10.20 | Ainulindale | No |
| 20:10.20 | jonkristian | what? |
| 20:10.25 | Ainulindale | Something is wrong with the latest frameworkd |
| 20:10.29 | jonkristian | k |
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| 20:10.48 | toggles_w | Ainulindale: no point using then? |
| 20:10.55 | kd8ikt | i was talking the latest build of shr (not so latest) |
| 20:10.59 | quatrox | lindi-: I can use them normally when I use them in my computer with an SHDC --> USB adapter |
| 20:11.05 | kd8ikt | like a week or two old |
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| 20:12.04 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: any chance to include this one in the pidgin packet, or is that something i need to ask someone else about? http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/ |
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| 20:12.23 | lindi- | quatrox: try to read data from them with openmoko |
| 20:12.44 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: Right now I'm a bit busy |
| 20:12.49 | Ainulindale | But please open a ticket about that |
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| 20:12.51 | Ainulindale | And I'll look into it |
| 20:13.05 | jonkristian | cool, it's pretty stable, compared to the one pidgin uses |
| 20:13.33 | quatrox | lindi-: I have problems with them after an offset of 2GB (when I tried from OM2007.2) |
| 20:14.00 | quatrox | lindi-: I created 2 partitions on the first 2 GB |
| 20:14.39 | quatrox | so it is strange |
| 20:15.14 | lindi- | quatrox: is it exactly 2G? |
| 20:15.52 | quatrox | I think so |
| 20:16.06 | quatrox | the card is a 4GB |
| 20:16.50 | lindi- | try it |
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| 20:17.23 | quatrox | I tested with creating a lot of partitions |
| 20:17.59 | lindi- | quatrox: test by reading data with e.g. dd |
| 20:18.50 | quatrox | lindi-: after the first 2 GB, the card can be written to, but if I delete files, they still show up when I do ls |
| 20:19.01 | lindi- | quatrox: don't use filesystem |
| 20:19.06 | lindi- | quatrox: just test the raw block device |
| 20:19.38 | quatrox | lindi-: from my neo? |
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| 20:19.43 | lindi- | yep |
| 20:20.38 | quatrox | but the strange part was that I cannot boot from the card even when I only access the first 2GB |
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| 20:21.01 | PinDemon | hello everybody |
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| 20:21.09 | lindi- | quatrox: why try complicated things like filesystems? |
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| 20:21.28 | PinDemon | does someone tried to install debian with the "new" installer ver 1.1? |
| 20:21.44 | lindi- | PinDemon: just ask |
| 20:22.11 | PinDemon | I get an error about conflict with openmoko-panel-plugin |
| 20:22.17 | quatrox | lindi-: if the problem is that the cards are bad, they would not work on my laptop |
| 20:22.23 | lindi- | PinDemon: yes |
| 20:22.27 | PinDemon | fso-frameworkd: conflicts: openmoko-panel-plugin (<=0.5-1.3) but 0.5-1.3 is to be installed |
| 20:22.30 | lindi- | PinDemon: don't install openmoko-panel-plugin |
| 20:22.42 | PinDemon | I remove it from the script? |
| 20:22.45 | lindi- | yep |
| 20:22.46 | PinDemon | in the workaround part? |
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| 20:23.05 | lindi- | PinDemon: new frameworkd does not work with old panel plugin |
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| 20:23.20 | lindi- | PinDemon: so you just need to remove panel plugin while it is being fixed |
| 20:23.57 | quatrox | lindi-: but I will test with dd from my neo to see what happens |
| 20:24.01 | PinDemon | from here right? > # fso-specific packages |
| 20:25.09 | lindi- | quatrox: yes |
| 20:25.13 | lindi- | PinDemon: yes :) |
| 20:25.19 | PinDemon | and from the .xsession part, also, I suppose |
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| 20:26.21 | PinDemon | thank you... you know, I was a suppa-linux-guru . but then in a car accident I've forgot everything... so now, with people's (like you) help... I'm remembering everything... =) hehehh |
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| 20:28.37 | henk | i get download errors on opkg update for downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/. known problem? temporarily down? |
| 20:29.04 | PinDemon | it's down |
| 20:29.13 | PinDemon | just 2008.9 for now |
| 20:30.23 | Tm_T | moi Ke |
| 20:31.51 | Ke | iltaa |
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| 20:33.53 | slaxxin | maybe they gonna put 2008.11 in that server |
| 20:34.00 | slaxxin | :)))00 |
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| 20:34.34 | mmaestri | where can i find the latest fso image? |
| 20:35.07 | kd8ikt | freesmartphone |
| 20:35.17 | kd8ikt | downloads.freesmartphone.orgy |
| 20:35.44 | elserpiente | hi, guys |
| 20:36.01 | mmaestri | so, that's the latest |
| 20:37.32 | kd8ikt | dunno whats the image's build file creation date? |
| 20:38.07 | kd8ikt | i see testing images at the top built the 14th this month |
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| 20:39.01 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ |
| 20:39.33 | kd8ikt | when was milestone 4 released? about the same time? |
| 20:39.57 | kd8ikt | released for a whole what 12hrs? ;) |
| 20:40.32 | mwester | you snooze, you loose. |
| 20:40.50 | kd8ikt | :D i got a copy somewhere on this disk |
| 20:41.31 | Tig| | I can't flash to the latest fso image |
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| 20:42.06 | kd8ikt | usb cable broken? |
| 20:42.13 | Tig| | getting : Starting download: [dfu_download error -71 |
| 20:42.34 | Tig| | tried two diff usb cables one defiantly worked before |
| 20:42.48 | kd8ikt | hm |
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| 20:43.19 | Tig| | definitely even, bloody spellcheck |
| 20:43.40 | Tig| | I do like the idea of a defiant usb cable though :) |
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| 20:44.22 | quatrox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkzNOEiW4M8 (after two minutes, they talk about phones with HDTV, etc - very funny) |
| 20:44.28 | kd8ikt | maybe uboot or dfu-util are old? |
| 20:45.31 | Tig| | well I don't think I have ever reflashed uboot as i have never had a problem with mine |
| 20:45.45 | kd8ikt | untill now ;D |
| 20:45.48 | Tig| | will grab a new dfu-util first |
| 20:45.51 | Tig| | yeah :) |
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| 20:46.29 | LostInSpace | mmm |
| 20:46.39 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: flashing to moko10-beta2 went though cleanly, i already had working ppp connects with the previously non-working SIM. |
| 20:47.38 | Tig| | eeeek! new dfu-util and got : No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs" |
| 20:47.56 | kd8ikt | Tig|: gta02? |
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| 20:48.05 | Tig| | yep |
| 20:48.11 | kd8ikt | dont fret about flashing NAND theres always nor |
| 20:48.17 | kd8ikt | for recovery |
| 20:48.24 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: but there are still problems... more often than not, the GSM chip does not answer. pppd opens the device, gets "AT command interpreter ready", utters "AT\n" and gets nothing. power off, power on, reset on, reset off, try gain... sometimes it works, but mostly not. |
| 20:48.29 | Tig| | ah it did it this time then back to the -71 error |
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| 20:48.38 | Tig| | uboot time I think :/ |
| 20:48.54 | kd8ikt | worth a shot |
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| 20:49.06 | elserpiente | People, is it known issue of WSOD in fso image from Nov 14? |
| 20:51.02 | mmaestri | elserpiente: i have it running since yesterday. no wsod for me yet |
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| 20:52.28 | Tig| | is there a quick way of finding out if I have a GTA02 v5 or v6 easily without booting up? |
| 20:52.45 | henk | PinDemon: but i can still see the directories and files in the browser? doesn't make sense to me. can anyone explain? |
| 20:52.49 | Tig| | it is a mass production device |
| 20:53.00 | viq | Tig|: open it up, look under SIM, see if there's a resistor soldered on |
| 20:53.15 | lindi- | Tig|: wiki for hardware revision |
| 20:53.16 | henk | and i get 'error 200' which means 'ok' in http speech... |
| 20:53.19 | lindi- | Tig|: or cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:54.57 | TAsn | hey, im trying to find out where in the framework is the best way to order the phone not to suspend, though I can't find it. IdleNotifier seemed like a good choice though what's in the documentation isn't really there so it rendered useless... |
| 20:56.08 | Tig| | uboot seems to turn off very quickly, but I had left it on charge for a couple of days on the external charger |
| 20:56.20 | Tig| | I wonder if my charging circuit may have crashed |
| 20:57.26 | lindi- | TAsn: i just disabled idlenotifier |
| 20:57.32 | elserpiente | hm |
| 20:57.53 | TAsn | lindi-, oh, you are one of the fso team? |
| 20:57.54 | elserpiente | what kernel you flash up? |
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| 20:58.19 | PinDemon | henk: cache? |
| 20:59.03 | lindi- | TAsn: no |
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| 20:59.33 | TAsn | then what was that about? : <lindi-> TAsn: i just disabled idlenotifier |
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| 21:00.06 | LostInSpace | pb_, you got 2 seconds? |
| 21:00.14 | LostInSpace | pb__, you got 2 seconds? |
| 21:00.17 | lindi- | TAsn: you can disable it in the config |
| 21:00.31 | TAsn | lindi-, I don't want to. |
| 21:00.32 | lindi- | TAsn: i disabled everything extra to reduce the number of moving parts |
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| 21:00.43 | TAsn | I want to disable it on runtime |
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| 21:00.53 | TAsn | so it won't suspended when I'm reading an ebook. |
| 21:01.18 | TAsn | or when i'm listening to some music. |
| 21:01.19 | PinDemon | henk: I suppose it's the cache in your browser |
| 21:02.26 | pb_ | LostInSpace: sure |
| 21:03.04 | LostInSpace | pb_, after checking some logs (since i left the device at home) i noticed that gpio module (that taints the kernel) is loaded way after the usb portion |
| 21:03.26 | LostInSpace | pb_, and after detecting i get hub.c net device connect on bus1/1 balblabla scsi emulation for usb mass storage devices |
| 21:03.32 | LostInSpace | pb_, log of the original kernel that is |
| 21:03.52 | LostInSpace | pb_, therefor technically a gpio cannot be responsible for my issue correct? |
| 21:04.23 | LostInSpace | pb_, or they changed something in the kernel way deeper in hub.c or something to turn the gpio on? |
| 21:04.27 | pb_ | LostInSpace: well, not necessarily. it's possible that the (2.4) kernel itself is doing some gpio twiddling that your newer one isn't. |
| 21:04.38 | pb_ | irrespective of the gpio module |
| 21:04.44 | LostInSpace | yeah |
| 21:04.52 | LostInSpace | after going threw the list of big endian address |
| 21:05.05 | LostInSpace | you said in the 52000000? |
| 21:05.06 | pb_ | you probably do need to capture a dump of the gpio registers to say for sure. |
| 21:05.26 | pb_ | 56000000 is gpio, I think |
| 21:05.32 | pb_ | check the s3c2410 datasheet to be sure though |
| 21:05.32 | LostInSpace | kk |
| 21:05.35 | LostInSpace | that would make more sense |
| 21:05.45 | LostInSpace | yes |
| 21:05.50 | pb_ | dunno what 52000000 is offhand. |
| 21:05.51 | LostInSpace | starts gpacon at that address |
| 21:05.57 | LostInSpace | pb_, usb that's why i was confused |
| 21:06.28 | pb_ | ah, I see |
| 21:06.28 | pb_ | heh |
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| 21:06.35 | TAsn | cool, it seems the framework supports non sid files sounds |
| 21:06.42 | pb_ | dinner time now |
| 21:06.44 | pb_ | later |
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| 21:07.53 | elserpiente | -> mmaestri : which image did u use for flashing fso? |
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| 21:08.42 | Pyrasi | hi all |
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| 21:09.33 | elserpiente | hi |
| 21:10.01 | Pyrasi | so I just apt-get upgraded my debian distro, and now it wont let me install openmoko-panel-plugin.....anyone know why? is there a dependancy issue with the version of frameworkd? |
| 21:10.52 | PinDemon | lindi-: PinDemon: don't install openmoko-panel-plugin |
| 21:11.08 | PinDemon | lindi-: PinDemon: new frameworkd does not work with old panel plugin |
| 21:11.20 | henk | PinDemon: why do i get error 200 (OK) then? and i did a reload without cache (strg+shift+r) |
| 21:11.25 | PinDemon | lindi-: PinDemon: so you just need to remove panel plugin while it is being fixed |
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| 21:12.03 | Pyrasi | oh...fair enough. Just wanted to make sure it wasnt something stupid i did |
| 21:13.07 | Pyrasi | though i dont think i ever had it working real well with xfce anyway....half of the icons would always seem to be going off the screen |
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| 21:13.56 | PinDemon | henk: try to ftp it |
| 21:15.06 | Wonka | i just _love_ git... |
| 21:15.07 | Wonka | build: needs update |
| 21:15.07 | Wonka | error: Entry 'build' not uptodate. Cannot merge. |
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| 21:16.23 | jonkristian | git is nice, but only non-centralized |
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| 21:16.31 | henk | PinDemon: works fine in the browser... error 550 from opkg update. |
| 21:16.48 | Wonka | jonkristian: and how do i get this "build" entry to be uptodate? |
| 21:17.22 | jonkristian | I don't understand people that for their life needs to use git centralized, it really isn't intended for that. |
| 21:18.12 | PinDemon | henk: if you go to downloads.openmoko.org/repository/ what you see? |
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| 21:18.44 | henk | PinDemon: http://hank.netwichtig.de/screenshots/screen_1227043117.png |
| 21:19.17 | jonkristian | is shr using the fso makefile for build env? |
| 21:19.31 | henk | PinDemon: http://hank.netwichtig.de/screenshots/screen_1227043164.png |
| 21:20.28 | kd8ikt | think shr has its own makefile |
| 21:20.42 | PinDemon | henk: my mistake... I tought you where getting the images |
| 21:20.56 | henk | PinDemon: ah ok |
| 21:21.09 | kd8ikt | http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR |
| 21:21.57 | Wonka | jonkristian: i don't really care how git is meant, as long as git is the way how to get the current openmoko kernel source tree... |
| 21:22.09 | PinDemon | henk: you get errors on any package? |
| 21:22.48 | jonkristian | kd8ikt: yeah, found it |
| 21:23.09 | henk | PinDemon: on update: http://hank.netwichtig.de/screenshots/screen_1227043379.png |
| 21:24.30 | PinDemon | henk: that happens to me too |
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| 21:25.25 | henk | PinDemon: uhm great :) so it's not my mistake. what could be the reason? |
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| 21:26.23 | PinDemon | henk: here http://el-directorio.org/OpenMoko/2008.8/ActualizacionViaOpkg says that it's normal about signature |
| 21:26.28 | PinDemon | *signatures |
| 21:26.33 | henk | and can i fix it? opkg upgrade doesn't find a lot of packages... |
| 21:26.46 | henk | PinDemon: it's not just the signatures over here... |
| 21:26.57 | PinDemon | yeah... saw that |
| 21:27.26 | PinDemon | maybe you can try to wget the single packages and then install them "opkg install package" |
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| 21:28.20 | henk | may be a short term solution, but not for the long run. do you have exactly the same problem or just with .sigs? |
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| 21:28.58 | PinDemon | don't really remember right now... and can't check it because debian installation it's on his way |
| 21:29.04 | PinDemon | it should end "soon" |
| 21:29.11 | PinDemon | then I'll check and tell you |
| 21:30.15 | henk | hehe ok, thanks... i'll go to bed now though. please hilight, so i'll see it tomorrow. |
| 21:31.03 | PinDemon | I'll try to... have to go out soon |
| 21:31.09 | PinDemon | in case I send in pvt |
| 21:31.51 | henk | hm, wgetting the opkg-whatever.opk works, opkg install http://url/to/opkg-whatever.opk doesn't... |
| 21:32.03 | henk | PinDemon: ok thanks! |
| 21:32.18 | PinDemon | dang... |
| 21:32.21 | PinDemon | anyhow |
| 21:32.22 | PinDemon | np |
| 21:32.54 | henk | on opkg install /path/to/opkg-whatever.opk i get: * Package (null) has no Architecture defined. |
| 21:33.40 | PinDemon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opkg |
| 21:34.08 | PinDemon | doesn't tell nothing... but at least you can downsize the trouble =) |
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| 21:35.52 | PinDemon | maybe the last two lines of the faq can help? |
| 21:35.53 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07libframeworkd-glib * r20e44077cb27 10/src/Makefile.am: Make sure dialer-marshal.list ends up in the tarball |
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| 21:38.17 | henk | PinDemon: i don't think so, since it doesn't even have an arch defined and opkg talks about package '(null)' |
| 21:38.28 | PinDemon | mmmm |
| 21:38.41 | henk | but i get that with every package now :-/ |
| 21:38.44 | Wonka | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/206f035e2246e38e277d0d2c5f28cfb4.png - can anyone tell me what image and settings i need for that? |
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| 21:39.03 | PinDemon | oww... |
| 21:39.30 | PinDemon | at this point I would ask for help in a forum |
| 21:39.37 | spydon | Wonka, that seriusly looks like shit ^^ |
| 21:39.38 | TAsn | Wonka, |
| 21:39.55 | TAsn | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Framework-settings |
| 21:40.07 | TAsn | if you are talking about the gprs connection utility. |
| 21:40.10 | Wonka | spydon: it does gprs without typing "pon" into a terminal. |
| 21:40.22 | spydon | Wonka, hehe nice ^^ |
| 21:40.23 | TAsn | and you need either shr/fso/debian for the package i offered. |
| 21:40.33 | Wonka | has debian |
| 21:41.00 | Wonka | mh, siglaunchd sounds nice too |
| 21:41.04 | TAsn | Wonka, can has <TAsn> wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Framework-settings |
| 21:41.16 | TAsn | Wonka, siglaunchd is rather useful. |
| 21:41.22 | Wonka | yeah, reading that now |
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| 21:41.43 | Wonka | atm, i have openmoko-panel-plugin, which does some things on button presses by itself |
| 21:41.47 | TAsn | I wrote it ;] though people aren't contributing settings of their own ;] |
| 21:42.41 | TAsn | Wonka, but that's not customizable enough and it doesn't allow reactions to calls/screen getting dimmed/suspension/unsuspension battery low, etc etc. ;] |
| 21:42.52 | Wonka | ack... |
| 21:42.59 | Wonka | and it's ugly |
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| 21:43.29 | TAsn | furthermore, those kind of stuff supposed to belong to daemons, not gui apps ;] |
| 21:43.40 | TAsn | s/supposed/are supposed/ |
| 21:43.46 | henk | PinDemon: argh, /var/volatile was filled 100% due to x.log |
| 21:43.58 | Wonka | daemons are not supposed to launch gui apps... |
| 21:44.20 | Wonka | it belongs to some sort of "desktop environment" stuff, i'd say |
| 21:44.36 | PinDemon | uhmm... maybe that was leading to trouble? |
| 21:44.50 | henk | PinDemon: i guess so... opkg update worked now. |
| 21:44.58 | PinDemon | cool |
| 21:44.59 | PinDemon | btw |
| 21:45.02 | Wonka | like when you press the power button, kde pops up a window |
| 21:45.09 | PinDemon | just finished debian installation |
| 21:45.10 | Wonka | (i don't use kde, though) |
| 21:45.16 | PinDemon | now have to configure the uboot |
| 21:45.18 | PinDemon | brb |
| 21:45.22 | henk | PinDemon: nice :) |
| 21:47.31 | TAsn | Wonka, it's supposed to be a user daemon... |
| 21:47.43 | TAsn | can't find a name for that ;] |
| 21:48.00 | TAsn | though it's not supposed to be an app with graphics that sits in tray. |
| 21:48.25 | TAsn | furthermore, siglaunchd doesn't necessarily runs gui apps |
| 21:48.40 | TAsn | s/runs/run/ |
| 21:49.42 | quatrox | lindi-: http://pastebin.com/d1fb14994 |
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| 21:51.38 | PinDemon | somebody knows tha name of the package that contains "uboot-envedit"? |
| 21:51.40 | quatrox | lindi-: the relevant errors are at the bottom |
| 21:52.50 | nomeata | PinDemon: fso-utils on Debian |
| 21:53.41 | PinDemon | nomeata: so do I have t configure the bootloader while running in debian? |
| 21:54.04 | kd8ikt | shouldnt have to |
| 21:54.14 | lindi- | quatrox: bit messy but ok |
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| 21:54.26 | nomeata | reads the backlog what you are trying to do |
| 21:54.35 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4799 10/developers/werner/myroot/ (werner werner.init): |
| 21:54.35 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - werner: added wkalrm |
| 21:54.35 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - werner.init: announce completion of system initialization running in |
| 21:54.35 | CIA-51 | openmoko: background |
| 21:54.51 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4800 10/developers/werner/myroot/ (werner werner.myroot): - werner: renamed to werner.myroot |
| 21:55.17 | quatrox | lindi-: look at line 738 |
| 21:55.28 | nomeata | PinDemon: the recommended way is to run this script on your laptop http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh |
| 21:55.41 | nomeata | PinDemon: see âAdjusting your uBoot environmentâ on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
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| 21:55.52 | PinDemon | that's exactly where I am... |
| 21:56.08 | PinDemon | but what about this line: Do not use this script with a device other than the FreeRunner! |
| 21:56.36 | PinDemon | oh |
| 21:56.38 | PinDemon | wait |
| 21:56.40 | nomeata | PinDemon: do you have a FreeRunner or a Neo1973? (It talks about the phone device, not the laptop you run it on) |
| 21:56.41 | PinDemon | =) |
| 21:56.49 | henk | nomeata: i have heard your nickname before... have you been to #debian.de some years ago? or the lug frankfurt? |
| 21:56.52 | PinDemon | freerunner |
| 21:57.12 | henk | nomeata: or darmstadt? |
| 21:58.10 | nomeata | henk: #debian.de maybe a bit, but never in Frankfurt or Darmstadt. |
| 21:58.27 | nomeata | PinDemon: then you can use the script, yes |
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| 21:59.09 | PinDemon | it is possible to get FSO applications for slackware? |
| 21:59.57 | nomeata | PinDemon: oh, thatâs your problem. Here is a source package: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fso-utils/fso-utils_0.git20080812.2.tar.gz |
| 22:00.09 | PinDemon | oh my my... |
| 22:00.22 | PinDemon | dependencies hell... I'm coming! |
| 22:02.40 | nomeata | PinDemon: alternatively you could change your uboot environment via a serial console, but this will require some understanding of uboot |
| 22:02.46 | nomeata | (and patient typing) |
| 22:03.07 | PinDemon | thanks for the advice... |
| 22:03.12 | quatrox | lindi-: what do you think? Should I buy a uSDHC card from a different manufacturer and try that? I already tried 3 cards (two from apacer and one that was defect). I am starting to think maybe I need to tweak my uboot kernel params |
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| 22:03.27 | PinDemon | but as I'm really a novice... |
| 22:03.31 | PinDemon | that could lead to trouble |
| 22:03.49 | PinDemon | as I have a unused laptop, I will install debian on it |
| 22:04.01 | PinDemon | and leave the uboot upgrade for tomorrow |
| 22:04.29 | Sargun | I'm going to see sean moss talk today :-DD |
| 22:07.51 | nomeata | Hmm. I didnât guess that porting Debian to the Freerunner will attract more people to Debian â on the dektop :-) |
| 22:08.15 | PinDemon | heheh |
| 22:08.23 | PinDemon | truth is that I installed wifislax |
| 22:08.34 | Tm_T | Sargun: where? |
| 22:08.45 | PinDemon | just "for fun" |
| 22:08.52 | PinDemon | but gonna get it now |
| 22:09.12 | PinDemon | a mirror! give me a fast mirror! jj |
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| 22:14.45 | PinDemon | good... 10 minutes to download, 5 minutes to burn to cd, 30/45 minutes to install, 5 minutes to configure the basic (network + freerunner), 2 minutes to get needed packages, 1 minute to change uboot configuration |
| 22:15.21 | Tm_T | PinDemon: +eternity to get it to make a decent phonecall ? |
| 22:15.29 | PinDemon | hehehhhe |
| 22:15.37 | PinDemon | true |
| 22:15.43 | Tm_T | what, you can run Debian in non-phone system too?! |
| 22:16.26 | Wonka | on a macbook pro, eg. |
| 22:16.35 | PinDemon | my next step! =) |
| 22:16.39 | Tm_T | Wonka: is that some car? |
| 22:16.42 | Wonka | and also on routers that don't have any sound device... |
| 22:16.58 | Tm_T | (;) |
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| 22:19.08 | PinDemon | p.s. wifislax booting from livecd is faster on a thinkpad t22 800 mhz than on my mbpro 15 |
| 22:19.12 | TAsn | best ringtone ever for a linux phone: http://www.recreantview.org/songs/jonobacon-freesoftwaresong.ogg |
| 22:19.14 | TAsn | ;] |
| 22:19.44 | Wonka | O.o |
| 22:20.06 | Tm_T | Jono <3 |
| 22:20.23 | Wonka | i'd rather use the recording of rms singing... |
| 22:21.05 | Tm_T | Wonka: well that's alarm clock tone |
| 22:21.13 | Wonka | ROFL |
| 22:21.15 | TAsn | Wonka, that's waaayy too geeky ;] |
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| 22:22.48 | Wonka | np: Dj Tiesto - Adiago For Strings |
| 22:23.31 | TAsn | Wonka, not geeky enough. |
| 22:23.36 | Wonka | i have some very nice recording of a Siemens W48 usable as a ringtone... |
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| 22:24.42 | Wonka | and i could even record my own - at my job there is one, and it works. |
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| 22:25.46 | Wonka | hrm. "Eternal Flame.ogg", anyone? |
| 22:25.54 | PinDemon | I would suggest as ringtone some minimal stuff: Reflections In Plexiglass (Original Mix) - Phunklarique And Dejonka |
| 22:27.28 | viq | How do I set time zone in SHR? |
| 22:28.58 | Wonka | i'd like the FR to just vibrate on an incoming call or message - except if it's been lying still for some time. |
| 22:29.08 | Wonka | and sometimes even then |
| 22:29.21 | Wonka | mostly, vibrating will be enough to alert me |
| 22:30.13 | PinDemon | status update: installing debian =) |
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| 22:34.49 | lindi- | quatrox: dunno, i have just 2G SD |
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| 22:36.24 | quatrox | lindi-: ok. I think I will buy a normal uSD card (2GB) |
| 22:36.36 | quatrox | seems like the best solution |
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| 23:05.17 | kd8ikt | microSD issues? |
| 23:05.43 | kd8ikt | i read somewhere about uboot fixes for the sdcard clock speed or soemthin |
| 23:05.50 | kd8ikt | boot entry fixes* |
| 23:05.56 | kd8ikt | not actuall uboot.bin |
| 23:06.36 | quatrox | I tried to set environment variables in uboot to slow down the speed |
| 23:06.44 | kd8ikt | nodice? |
| 23:07.07 | kd8ikt | i had problems with my 10$ 2GB uSD |
| 23:07.22 | kd8ikt | so i gave it to a friend ;) back to the ole 512 |
| 23:07.30 | quatrox | haha |
| 23:07.48 | kd8ikt | guess it might be worth it to pay the extra dough |
| 23:07.51 | quatrox | at least that one work very well |
| 23:08.14 | quatrox | ... the original 512 |
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| 23:09.01 | kd8ikt | 512MB sux though |
| 23:09.17 | quatrox | that is why I bought 3 4GB cards |
| 23:09.25 | kd8ikt | i need gigs and tera's and penta bytes |
| 23:09.35 | kd8ikt | :D |
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| 23:09.59 | quatrox | well, non of the cards I got work at all |
| 23:10.11 | quatrox | except for the original one |
| 23:10.36 | quatrox | so my solution is the famious Y cable and an USB stick |
| 23:11.15 | quatrox | or NFS |
| 23:11.20 | quatrox | hmm |
| 23:11.49 | kd8ikt | no kidding none of em work? |
| 23:11.58 | quatrox | none |
| 23:12.09 | quatrox | the first was defect |
| 23:12.33 | quatrox | so I gave it away |
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| 23:12.49 | quatrox | the next two where from apacer |
| 23:13.02 | quatrox | they are really useless in the phone |
| 23:13.48 | quatrox | just gives me a kernel panic while trying to mount / |
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| 23:14.30 | kd8ikt | never heard of apacer |
| 23:14.32 | lindi- | that is not very good bug report :) |
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| 23:14.42 | lindi- | better say that you get I/O error if you try to read bytes past 2G |
| 23:14.57 | quatrox | ehh |
| 23:15.21 | quatrox | well |
| 23:15.33 | quatrox | I have 4 partitions |
| 23:15.42 | quatrox | p1 8MB |
| 23:15.48 | quatrox | p2 1GB |
| 23:15.56 | quatrox | p3 900GB |
| 23:16.06 | quatrox | p4 on the rest |
| 23:16.21 | quatrox | I have uImage.bin on p1 |
| 23:16.24 | kd8ikt | lindi that happened to me on the 2GB 10$ one i found but more like those happened after 1GB |
| 23:16.30 | quatrox | and rootfs on p2 |
| 23:16.45 | kd8ikt | a-data card |
| 23:18.27 | quatrox | kd8ikt: look at the 20 last lines or so http://pastebin.com/d1fb14994 |
| 23:19.09 | quatrox | you see that the I/O error on the first GB only arrived after reading a lot |
| 23:19.42 | quatrox | looks like the card don't like to be read |
| 23:20.20 | quatrox | maybe it gets too warm or something |
| 23:20.38 | kd8ikt | next card i buy/try will def be from a reputable company |
| 23:20.58 | quatrox | yes |
| 23:21.00 | quatrox | same here |
| 23:21.14 | quatrox | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards#Cards_by_Vendor |
| 23:21.26 | quatrox | there is a lot of cards that should work |
| 23:21.35 | quatrox | so I will try some of these |
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| 23:22.42 | quatrox | but I have the feeling the poor card is almost inside a micro wave oven inside the neo |
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| 23:27.40 | kd8ikt | might be worth dropping a lil thermister in there and testing it out |
| 23:27.59 | quatrox | haha |
| 23:28.37 | kd8ikt | or wait just pull out the battery and sim card and run somemore dd's and touch it with your finger |
| 23:29.10 | quatrox | or just look at the plastic when it melts! |
| 23:29.12 | quatrox | lol |
| 23:29.13 | quatrox | no |
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| 23:29.17 | quatrox | it is not that bad |
| 23:30.09 | quatrox | but it is annoying to not know what causes all the problems |
| 23:30.16 | quatrox | hmm |
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| 23:31.03 | quatrox | maybe the voltage is not exactly what the card is designed for |
| 23:31.30 | quatrox | maybe the card does not follow the standards |
| 23:31.37 | quatrox | I have no idea |
| 23:32.20 | kd8ikt | ah wtf ettercaps bitbake isnt grabbing the right url.. |
| 23:32.52 | quatrox | ohh |
| 23:32.55 | quatrox | that is not good |
| 23:32.58 | kd8ikt | failed: Connection timed out ;P |
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| 23:33.04 | kd8ikt | easy fix though |
| 23:37.37 | Dave | kd8, more ham plz |
| 23:37.41 | Yashy | http://www.csamuel.org/2008/11/14/patent-trolls-attack-openmoko-project |
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| 23:39.53 | Dave | :o |
| 23:39.56 | quatrox | hmm |
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| 23:40.30 | quatrox | good for me that I live in Norway - we do not believe in software patents |
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| 23:42.56 | mwester | Unfortunately it does affect those living in Norway, as you'll have fewer choices in technology available. |
| 23:43.10 | quatrox | I know |
| 23:44.32 | quatrox | what I meant was that I am happy my country does not support criminal patent trolls |
| 23:44.40 | slaxxin | when 2008.11 moko gets here he will have even more choices |
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| 23:45.57 | TAsnn | WOW! |
| 23:46.05 | TAsnn | i just did opkg upgrade on shr |
| 23:46.11 | TAsnn | and illume is way smoother |
| 23:46.16 | Dave | :P |
| 23:46.18 | Dave | tada |
| 23:46.19 | quatrox | illume? |
| 23:46.21 | TAsnn | everything just flies ;] |
| 23:46.24 | Dave | wheeeeeeeeeeee |
| 23:46.31 | Dave | Happy now, are we tasn? :p |
| 23:46.46 | TAsn | now we are ;] |
| 23:46.53 | Dave | :D |
| 23:47.04 | quatrox | TAsn: I use SHR without illume, and it is really elegant |
| 23:47.13 | Dave | ja |
| 23:47.19 | TAsn | without illume? what do you use then? |
| 23:47.23 | TAsn | oh, e? |
| 23:47.42 | TAsn | I don't like the whole idea of regular desktop on a tiny device. |
| 23:47.43 | quatrox | I guess. I just installed it |
| 23:47.58 | TAsn | tiny devices need cool interfaces to go with my bulky hands. ;] |
| 23:48.00 | quatrox | and selected "minimalistic" |
| 23:48.06 | quatrox | haha |
| 23:48.14 | TAsn | quatrox, next time select illume ;] |
| 23:48.23 | TAsn | check out scap for more pics ;] |
| 23:48.35 | quatrox | I only need to find a keyboard |
| 23:48.38 | TAsn | anyhow, finger scrolling is as smooth as it gets. |
| 23:48.45 | TAsn | quatrox, matchbox... |
| 23:49.59 | quatrox | opkg list|grep matchbox |
| 23:50.13 | quatrox | I must add some repos |
| 23:50.22 | slaxxin | ok im gonna upgrade |
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| 23:52.48 | TAsn | well im up in 5 hrs |
| 23:52.51 | TAsn | night ;] |
| 23:53.03 | quatrox | same for me:( |
| 23:53.07 | quatrox | good night |
| 23:54.30 | slaxxin | i got a yellow battery |
| 23:54.52 | quatrox | ohh |
| 23:54.58 | quatrox | mine is white:P |
| 23:56.16 | kd8ikt | is this whats causing the glamo race condition? |
| 23:57.49 | slaxxin | this what |
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