| 00:00.59 | [Rui] | rhkfin: hey, weekends are for tests :) |
| 00:01.45 | [Rui] | if I wanted a /////stable///// (lots of italics ;)) I'd get a another image :) |
| 00:01.59 | [Rui] | I tried Raster's new FSO image but I don't even get any sound :( |
| 00:02.02 | [Rui] | on calls, I mean. |
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| 00:04.14 | rhkfin | Right :) |
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| 00:07.04 | [Rui] | rhkfin: so, Risto, no hints? :) |
| 00:10.06 | rhkfin | [Rui]: sorry, no hints.. But if you would've been a beginner looking for a ~stable I could've given you a link to the download page :) |
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| 00:16.03 | [Rui] | rhkfin: hehe, not really, I've even written a little program to rotate the screen (and having a bit of a problem with projects.openmoko.org) |
| 00:25.06 | rhkfin | [Rui]: great :) |
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| 00:25.23 | rhkfin | I think I've read your mails in the lists |
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| 00:29.16 | Isajha | mwester so what should i do now? is there a working toolchain and *where* is it? i mean i download the latest one (according to date) and it should be outdated? |
| 00:31.09 | rhkfin | Anyone know a tool/way to take screenshots of 2008.9? ssh -X doesn't work for this. |
| 00:31.43 | [Rui] | gpe-scap? |
| 00:32.11 | rhkfin | ah, that's what it was :) The name was so weird so I didn't even check it. Thanks! |
| 00:32.53 | [Rui] | rhkfin: yeah, it is fscking weird :( |
| 00:34.54 | rhkfin | Is there a solution for the 'all you resources belong to me'-qpe -problem except killing it every time you start? |
| 00:37.36 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 00:55.47 | [Rui] | rhkfin: I'd wish for a solution to events/0 suddenly draining energy and heating up the phone :D |
| 00:57.37 | rhkfin | I'm not sure but I had the feeling that with 2007.x sometimes the phone heated s bit.. |
| 00:58.11 | mwester_ | Isajha: What you need to do is figure out which of the distros listed on the wiki page that I gave you is most suitable for your project, then aquire the development environment and toolchain for that distro to do your project. |
| 00:58.31 | mwester_ | Isajha: If you would tell us a bit about your project, perhaps someone can advise you. |
| 00:59.09 | mwester_ | Isajha: It *does* make a difference -- the nature of your application will influence where you start and with which distro you begin. |
| 00:59.52 | [Rui] | rhkfin: I think it's the same problem |
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| 01:03.19 | viq | Is there a way to restart the X server on 2008.9 ? |
| 01:05.21 | rhkfin | viq: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart should work |
| 01:05.33 | viq | thanks |
| 01:05.34 | rhkfin | Haven't tried. On 2007 it usually failed. |
| 01:06.13 | viq | Heh, I just got a "cloned" display - split in half, top and bottom half showing the "full" screen |
| 01:06.34 | rhkfin | heh :) |
| 01:06.47 | viq | Ah, but stop and start seems to have dealt with that |
| 01:09.47 | viq | tries watching a movie on FR ;) |
| 01:09.58 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 01:10.12 | viq | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player |
| 01:16.43 | techiem2-r | yeah I did that the other day |
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| 03:18.34 | netx | om2007.2 latest upates, btw |
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| 04:38.57 | undrwater | anyone tried shr yet? |
| 04:42.09 | dufflebu1k | sticks to 2008.9 |
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| 04:50.56 | undrwater | has image ADD |
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| 05:13.14 | MrShleee | shr? |
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| 05:19.20 | orospakr | Is there still any hope of using the Neo1973 as an operational phone? |
| 05:20.50 | mwester | works pretty durn well as a regular phone. |
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| 05:22.14 | mwester | Qtopia supports it very nicely indeed. Qt Extended supports it too, although there are a few bugs that are annoying in the current release. FSO currently supports the Neo, and intends to continue to support it. |
| 05:22.39 | mwester | As a matter of fact, it seems that the only distros that don't support the Neo any more is the one from Openmoko. Go figure. |
| 05:26.51 | MrShleee | Bring on Paroli . |
| 05:27.25 | araujo | mwester, you mean .. Qtopia is the best option to use the Neo? |
| 05:27.37 | mwester | If you are looking for a phone, yes. |
| 05:28.52 | araujo | mm.. interesting |
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| 05:29.30 | mwester | MrShleee: I am right out of optimism anymore, when it comes to Openmoko promises for user-space stuff. Pretty much everything they have touched is a disaster. So when it comes to Paroli, IMO it's just words on an email thread until I see it running, and running reliably. :) |
| 05:34.35 | araujo | mwester, too difficult to get Qtopia working? |
| 05:37.01 | mwester | araujo: No problem at all to get it working. |
| 05:37.28 | mwester | Qtopia (and Qt Extended, the newer version of it) both work very well. |
| 05:41.30 | araujo | mmmmmmmm... |
| 05:41.33 | araujo | thinking thinkg |
| 05:41.46 | araujo | to buy or not to buy ... that's the question |
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| 05:51.56 | Dave | So, Mwester |
| 05:52.14 | Dave | Guess what I acquired this evening? |
| 05:53.53 | mwester | A copy of Microsoft Office Enterprise 2007 ?> |
| 05:54.07 | mwester | has aquired one of those this afternoon. |
| 05:54.37 | Dave | actually no |
| 05:54.43 | Dave | A box full of PDAs :D |
| 05:56.42 | mwester | Cool. |
| 05:56.53 | lpotter | old iPaqs? |
| 05:57.01 | lpotter | the grayscale ones |
| 05:57.56 | Dave | uhh |
| 05:57.56 | Dave | no |
| 05:58.00 | Dave | actually they're relatively new |
| 05:58.23 | Dave | just my friend's office upgraded to latest I guess so they were going to toss all the slightly antiquated ones |
| 05:58.29 | Dave | one of them is even new I think :D |
| 05:58.40 | mwester | Well, what are they? |
| 05:58.42 | Dave | I was like, _I_ think I may have a use for them... >:) |
| 05:58.47 | Dave | I'll find out tomorrow man :) |
| 05:58.49 | mwester | taps his foot impatiently! |
| 05:58.52 | Dave | aww |
| 05:59.08 | Dave | I'm tired, and it's box full of their chargers too, so it's a wirey mess |
| 05:59.24 | Dave | at least now I'll never run out of styluses :p |
| 05:59.25 | mwester | is saddened everytime perfectly good equipment is dumpstered by businesses. :( |
| 05:59.57 | Dave | yeah |
| 05:59.58 | Dave | hey |
| 06:00.06 | Dave | That's how I got a STACK of dell latitudes, back in the day |
| 06:00.13 | Dave | and half of them are still going! |
| 06:00.22 | Dave | granted I harvested several to forge a few good ones ;) |
| 06:00.23 | Dave | but yeah |
| 06:00.32 | Dave | it's like, oh, this one's missing a power cord... IT'S BROKEN |
| 06:00.36 | undrwater | looks for the dumpsters |
| 06:00.37 | Dave | oh no! |
| 06:01.48 | mwester | searching ebay with the keywords "broken", "parts", and "not working" is another good way to get stuff cheap. |
| 06:01.56 | Dave | oh hell yes |
| 06:02.15 | Dave | it's funny, someone gave me a BRAND new HP laptop recently |
| 06:02.18 | Dave | because the screen was cracked |
| 06:02.20 | Dave | :( |
| 06:02.39 | Dave | but the displays are expensive, a couple or few hundred dollars even online |
| 06:02.44 | mwester | Dunno about HP, but on the Dells it's trivial to swap a screen. |
| 06:03.09 | Dave | but the GOOD news was, ironically, I had a working matrix, it was intact, only actually screen was cracked |
| 06:03.23 | Dave | so it was like an hour or two of my time + $50 for just the screen :P |
| 06:03.33 | Dave | and some fun |
| 06:03.50 | mwester | needs to leave and get some sleep. |
| 06:03.51 | Dave | yeah, their fucking display assembly was kind of crazy and unintuitive |
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| 06:04.08 | Dave | I'm always afraid to break things when the hinge assembly is reverse mounted with screws on each side |
| 06:04.16 | Dave | Mwester, agreed :) |
| 06:04.35 | Dave | Let us reconvene tomorrow. |
| 06:04.37 | mwester | later... |
| 06:04.42 | Dave | I'll check out the PDAs tomorrow ;) |
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| 06:26.12 | doc|home | er, suspend |
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| 08:51.33 | FreeSoul | hi guys! I've a strange question for you. I've a device with 2G and 3G data module with openmoko-dialer installed. Openmoko-dialer does not make any call but if checks for network coverage and so on. Does this may mean that the modules inside my device have phone module too? Is there any way to check? I don't know openmoko.dialer but maybe it makes come check before running. Thanks |
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| 09:46.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0f631a3dfa37 10/ (framework/subsystems/oeventsd/oevents.py setup.py): |
| 09:46.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Call update in the idle loop |
| 09:46.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This makes sure dependent subsystems are loaded before we try to access |
| 09:46.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: them. |
| 09:46.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Also add missing etc yaml files. *Please* add new config files to the |
| 09:46.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: build system! |
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| 10:24.08 | thrashold | Do SDHC cards work in Neo 1973? Do I have any chance of getting a 8 GB microSDHC card to work? Or at least, 8 GB microSD card (if I manage to find one)? Anyone tried? |
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| 10:25.54 | SpeedEvil | 78 works |
| 10:25.55 | SpeedEvil | 8 |
| 10:26.07 | SpeedEvil | I don't think anyones tested 78 yet |
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| 10:27.02 | SpeedEvil | I've got 4 in - so that definately works. |
| 10:27.49 | sigi | I'd like to use openmoko 2008.x on my Freerunner but am not too happy with the look of the default UI (basicly I think its ugly) . I'd much prefer an qtopia or openmoko 2007.x UI. Is it possible to switch UIs ? |
| 10:28.03 | SpeedEvil | Easy. |
| 10:28.04 | thrashold | SpeedEvil: On 1973 and not FreeRunner? Is that 4 GB SDHC or SD? |
| 10:28.06 | SpeedEvil | Just flash it. |
| 10:28.20 | SpeedEvil | thrashold: there are no 4G nonSDHC |
| 10:28.28 | SpeedEvil | sigi: easy |
| 10:28.51 | thrashold | SpeedEvil: Well, I have one (though, it is not 'micro' version, so I can't test it in the phone) |
| 10:28.52 | SpeedEvil | sig\: If what you flash will work as well, ... |
| 10:28.55 | viq | Anything 4+ GB is SDHC |
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| 10:29.14 | SpeedEvil | thrashold: not completely true, you could make an adaptor in principle. |
| 10:30.12 | Na-Gateaux | SpeedEvil: this wouldn't be nice... |
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| 10:32.14 | sigi | SpeedEvil, To be clear here ,I do not want to flash the qtopia or 2007.x distribution, I still want to use 2008.* just with another UI (analogous say to switching from kde to gnome on my linux desktop ) |
| 10:33.16 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it - there were quite major changes which would make that very tricky. |
| 10:33.26 | SpeedEvil | I think you'd have to do significant coding. |
| 10:34.03 | SpeedEvil | I haven't really investigated it in enough detail that I can comment accurately though. |
| 10:34.50 | sigi | SpeedEvil, Ok, so not without some work then |
| 10:34.58 | sigi | SpeedEvil, too bad, thanks anyway |
| 10:35.27 | SpeedEvil | I think so - you could probably put it in a chroot on sd, and get it to sort-of-cohabit - but I don't know how well if at all that would work. |
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| 10:53.48 | Na-Gateaux | my gps keeps freezing my freerunner... is there any logs of this ? |
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| 11:28.14 | lindi- | Na-Gateaux: freezing? |
| 11:30.19 | Na-Gateaux | SpeedEvil: yep, after a random time of use, nothing seems to respond (and usb0 interface is not working anymore) |
| 11:30.38 | Na-Gateaux | woops, not @SpeedEvil, but @lindi >< |
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| 11:32.13 | SpeedEvil | The keys are right next to each other. |
| 11:32.44 | Na-Gateaux | yep :) |
| 11:32.55 | Na-Gateaux | and this is exactly the same length |
| 11:33.33 | lindi- | Na-Gateaux: how can gps do this? |
| 11:33.48 | lindi- | Na-Gateaux: it's a separate chip that talks to arm over serial |
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| 11:34.10 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's not just suspending? |
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| 11:48.04 | Hire | guy |
| 11:48.06 | Hire | +s |
| 11:48.12 | Hire | we have a new site |
| 11:48.16 | Hire | www.opkg.org |
| 11:48.23 | rhkfin | yeah, saw that, it's COOL! |
| 11:48.23 | Hire | it's a site like getdeb |
| 11:48.29 | Hire | it's fantastic |
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| 11:48.35 | Hire | we need to upload some packages |
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| 11:51.04 | rhkfin | right! |
| 11:53.16 | samgee | isn't that what the community repository is for? |
| 11:55.55 | rhkfin | samgee: partly yes I guess but opkg.org gives the software more visibility |
| 11:56.54 | lindi- | Hire: does that offer source code? |
| 11:58.24 | samgee | my problem with getdeb is that it's less trusted |
| 11:58.39 | samgee | I wonder how trusted community repo and opkg.org is |
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| 12:06.36 | cnwdup | Can I use dfu-util from a 64bit System with 32bit compability? |
| 12:06.47 | lindi- | how about making it 64-bit safe? |
| 12:06.52 | mjr | yes |
| 12:07.06 | cnwdup | lindi-: I thought dfu-util was broken for 64 bit systems. |
| 12:07.14 | lindi- | cnwdup: yeah, so how about fixing it? ;) |
| 12:07.26 | cnwdup | Where wAnd where can I read about the recent changes to the u-boot so I know wheather I should flash u-boot? |
| 12:07.33 | cnwdup | lindi-: I think that's a little beyond my knowledge. (-: |
| 12:08.19 | lindi- | hmm, the debian dfu-util package has no bug about this |
| 12:08.30 | lindi- | even though they offer it for amd64 |
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| 12:10.23 | gromez | dfu-util works fine on amd64 systems |
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| 12:29.07 | Na-Gateaux | lindi-/SpeedEvil : woops I went to eat so I'm only answering now ... no it's not suspending, the screen just freeze |
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| 12:51.26 | wizkoder | hy everybody |
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| 12:55.59 | wizkoder | I have a question about the toolchains. I want to get our game running and we need only gcc and sdl. When I create a ipkg package will it run everywhere? I mean the people might use Om 2008.9, FDOM or Qt Extended 4.4.1. Do they all use the same packaging system? |
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| 13:05.23 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i am preparing a comparison of the FR with other phones.. for use in disaster management |
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| 13:05.41 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | anyone suggest phone names? |
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| 13:06.40 | mattl | AJuOnLiNE|sh: Tel. |
| 13:06.50 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | iPhone and Android G1 are two that i have on list |
| 13:06.59 | CM | AJuOnLiNE|sh: Using OpenMoko as an example of disastrous management? ;) |
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| 13:07.25 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | politely directs CM to ajuonline.net/academics |
| 13:07.47 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | mattl: what model is that ? |
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| 13:27.56 | wizkoder | I just read that in the qtopia distri does not have x and runs in framebuffer mode. But the 2008 also has qtopia but based on x? Is that right? |
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| 13:34.56 | bipak | wizkoder: right |
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| 13:37.20 | sigi | In "a-distros-filesystem.jffs.summary" , whats does the 'summary' extension indicate ? |
| 13:38.02 | bipak | maybe the included files? |
| 13:38.12 | bipak | is it a big file? |
| 13:38.23 | bipak | if not try to open it with an editor |
| 13:39.21 | sigi | bipak: Its is slightly bigger than the jffs2 file (48M vs 49M in my case) |
| 13:39.29 | bipak | oops :) |
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| 13:53.58 | Dave | Hire :) |
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| 13:56.56 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 13:57.40 | Dave | yes |
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| 14:08.49 | wizkoder | if I would like to use framebuffer (I heard that sdl can use it) I guess my game would run faster. But is it possible to rotate the screen there? X can do that. Framebuffer also? Because the game has a resolution of 640x480. |
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| 14:09.46 | raster | wizkoder: unlikely to run appreciably faster |
| 14:09.54 | raster | if u do it right |
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| 14:10.03 | raster | u are rendering to an offscreen (in ram) buffer anyway |
| 14:10.10 | raster | then all u do is copy that to the fb |
| 14:10.15 | raster | xshmputimage does just that |
| 14:10.16 | raster | in x |
| 14:10.19 | raster | no extra copies |
| 14:10.41 | raster | it is a myth (in general) to think that fb-base stuff is faster |
| 14:10.52 | raster | do it right in x and it'd the same |
| 14:11.12 | raster | trust me on it - i've spent over a decade proving it repeatedly :) |
| 14:11.47 | Kensan | raster: hi there |
| 14:11.54 | wizkoder | good to know :-) |
| 14:11.56 | raster | Kensan: yow |
| 14:12.04 | Kensan | raster: how are things coming along? Had a good sunday? |
| 14:12.09 | wizkoder | So I guess I will head for the 2009 distri. Which has everything I need :-) |
| 14:12.12 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/ |
| 14:12.18 | raster | u can read up on my sunday |
| 14:12.37 | Kensan | fires up firefox |
| 14:15.16 | bipak | hmm how does om2008.9 play the ringtone on incoming calls? I somehow broke it... in the settings "ring and vibrate" is activated. any idea where the problem could be? |
| 14:15.38 | LaF0rge | now has an upstart-0.5.0 based fso image for some experiments |
| 14:15.52 | bipak | with mplayer I can play the ringtone.wav. so its not an alsa problem |
| 14:16.12 | toggles_w | wrok |
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| 14:16.38 | cnwdup | Is there some kind of first class documentation about the 2008.09 release? The wiki seems to be related to 2008.8 or even prior. |
| 14:18.13 | raster | LaF0rge: faster boot? (i doubt it though... not much) |
| 14:18.43 | Kensan | raster: nice writeup |
| 14:18.49 | toggles_w | raster: wrok harder! do the images make calls? ;-) |
| 14:19.03 | Kensan | LaF0rge: are you looking into speeding up boot time? |
| 14:19.41 | LaF0rge | kensan: that's not the primary goal. just to get things more organized |
| 14:19.44 | Kensan | raster: btw, the link to "BobOfDoom" is broken. |
| 14:20.30 | Kensan | LaF0rge: ah I see. I wrote an email to devel on saturday regarding boot time optimization, maybe you caught that... |
| 14:20.53 | toggles_w | dammit, no phone.. very pretty though |
| 14:21.14 | raster | toggles_w: someone elses problem to make calls |
| 14:21.14 | raster | :) |
| 14:21.26 | Kensan | I hope at least Graeme will respond... |
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| 14:21.45 | raster | ooh bugger |
| 14:21.57 | toggles_w | raster: its pretty, pretty enough i'll trade you my gf (pretty blonde) for an image that will make calls? ;-) |
| 14:22.33 | raster | toggles_w: does she come with a "dont make calls" switch? |
| 14:22.34 | raster | :) |
| 14:22.50 | toggles_w | raster: lol |
| 14:22.56 | Kensan | toggles_w: you can install all the phone stuff or anything you want for that matter since the illume-image is based on openembedded. |
| 14:23.41 | toggles_w | Kensan: in theory, i just have a slight suspiscion that opkg install zhone wont work |
| 14:23.44 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 14:23.54 | Kensan | LaF0rge: Organized in the sense, that the various fso daemons interact with upstart? |
| 14:24.36 | LaF0rge | kensan: yes. |
| 14:24.56 | LaF0rge | kensan: and in a way that there can be preferences for what things to start (like portmap, etc.) |
| 14:25.01 | raster | ok |
| 14:25.03 | raster | links fixed |
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| 14:25.21 | toggles_w | raster: wrok harder.. |
| 14:25.29 | toggles_w | I'm busier than ever with wrok I am doing for clients. |
| 14:25.41 | Kensan | LaF0rge: sounds very reasonable. I recall having talked to mickey about the use of upstart some time ago. |
| 14:26.19 | raster | wrok |
| 14:26.20 | raster | damint |
| 14:26.22 | raster | wrok! |
| 14:26.34 | toggles_w | wrok harder! add zhone ;-) |
| 14:26.45 | Kensan | LaF0rge: starting/stopping things when they are (not) needed should give a whole lot of flexibility. I guess this could also be beneficial for power management. |
| 14:27.28 | raster | toggles_w: no. not qdding it. i like my image being small withotu zhone starting up on boot and without frameworkd chewing most of my cpu whenever i touch the screen |
| 14:27.32 | raster | will wait for that to settle |
| 14:27.34 | raster | and really |
| 14:27.40 | raster | zhone is just a test ui |
| 14:27.52 | toggles_w | i know, i'm just yanking your chain |
| 14:30.27 | Dave | hey raster |
| 14:30.29 | Dave | hey toggles |
| 14:30.42 | raster | Dave: sorry. i can't do that dave. |
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| 14:31.59 | Kensan | raster: it will take me a bit longer to send some boottime patches since I was not able to do anything besides catching up on mails and mailinglists this weekend and curing my cold :( I hope I will get some time next week. |
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| 14:32.27 | raster | Kensan: no problem |
| 14:32.35 | raster | i have.. as usual.. been busy myseof |
| 14:32.38 | raster | myself |
| 14:34.11 | Kensan | raster: it seems everybody expects that of you ;) |
| 14:34.23 | toggles_w | hey dave |
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| 14:36.08 | Kensan | LaF0rge: I noticed your posting to om-kernel and that hw-ecc was on your todo list. Did you get a chance to take a look at that? There was some discussion after zecke posted his patches but then it quietly died down without any visbile result... :( |
| 14:36.33 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | in the FR Hardware specs "256 MB integrated flash memory " means the ROM . right? |
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| 14:38.45 | raster | Kensan: i've gotten used to it. to the point where.. were i not busy.. id' be bored |
| 14:38.46 | raster | :) |
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| 14:41.01 | lindi- | AJuOnLiNE|sh: it's not ROM since you can write to it |
| 14:42.01 | Kensan | raster: or drining and eating for 12 hours ;) |
| 14:42.06 | Kensan | drinking |
| 14:43.02 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | lindi-: while trying to compare the FR with other phones, which have ROM in their specs. how do I put this forward? |
| 14:43.17 | Dave | woo |
| 14:43.18 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | lindi-: they are also writeable ? |
| 14:43.21 | raster | hahahah |
| 14:43.22 | Dave | time to check out these PDAs :D |
| 14:43.28 | raster | ok |
| 14:43.31 | raster | snoozie time |
| 14:43.35 | raster | time for the big Z! |
| 14:44.00 | xiangfu | it's 256MB NAND FLASH |
| 14:44.20 | Kensan | raster: ok gnight. Will ping you again when I have something. |
| 14:44.56 | lindi- | AJuOnLiNE|sh: hmm? |
| 14:44.59 | xiangfu | yes it's writeable |
| 14:45.14 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | lindi-: 128 MB RAM / 256 MB ROM this is what theG1 specs have |
| 14:45.45 | techiem2-r | don't many have the OS/Apps in ROM so you can't change them? |
| 14:45.59 | techiem2-r | or no anymore? |
| 14:46.10 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | yes but they can be flashed with the latest firmware. no? |
| 14:46.25 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i did that with my Nokia E51 few days back |
| 14:46.53 | lindi- | AJuOnLiNE|sh: no idea about G1 |
| 14:46.59 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | okk |
| 14:48.47 | zash | AJuOnLiNE|sh: do you know that android isnt as open as openmoko? |
| 14:49.36 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | zash: yes. |
| 14:49.41 | sicu | i flashed my SE t610 yesterday |
| 14:50.56 | sicu | it's even slower that my FR |
| 14:51.04 | sicu | s/that/than |
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| 14:53.51 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | zash: i am trying to justify my selection of the FR and doing a comparison for the project I am working on. |
| 14:54.24 | zash | AJuOnLiNE|sh: okay |
| 14:56.32 | zash | AJuOnLiNE|sh: android: sandboxed java. openmoko: whatever you want |
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| 14:58.10 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | zash: Java apps work on majority of the mobiles? |
| 14:58.44 | zash | AJuOnLiNE|sh: but, android apps wont work on anything else |
| 14:59.01 | zash | AJuOnLiNE|sh: its not the same java as on other phones |
| 14:59.05 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | that == crap |
| 14:59.41 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | and if i write a Java app to work on the FR, it would work on other phones too? |
| 15:00.14 | zash | duno |
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| 15:00.45 | zash | but, in theory |
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| 15:01.06 | zash | hows the java mobile-vm doing? |
| 15:01.31 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java |
| 15:01.47 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i last read, it worked on Debian |
| 15:02.10 | quickdev | raster, here for one question? :) |
| 15:03.29 | zash | AJuOnLiNE|sh: if the java vm works on openmoko, then i guess you can write a generic java me-app and it will work |
| 15:03.40 | zash | but i am no java expert |
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| 15:07.00 | Dave | zash :o |
| 15:07.07 | zash | Dave: :0 |
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| 15:29.49 | Dave | stupid palm |
| 15:30.44 | toggles_w | i hope it's not hairy |
| 15:31.12 | CM | palm -> face ;) |
| 15:31.27 | toggles_w | ouch |
| 15:31.41 | zash | facepalm.jpg? |
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| 15:34.46 | Dave | haha |
| 15:34.48 | Dave | no |
| 15:34.51 | Dave | Palm |
| 15:35.15 | Dave | What am I suppose to do with palm zires :[ |
| 15:36.16 | zash | Dave: is the flat connector between the pcb and the plug at the bottom broken? |
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| 15:39.46 | Dave | huh? |
| 15:39.48 | Dave | no... |
| 15:40.26 | zash | i have a zire 71 |
| 15:40.34 | zash | disassembled |
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| 15:42.09 | Dave | oh! |
| 15:42.10 | Dave | heheh :p |
| 15:42.20 | Dave | zash, is that what happened to yours? |
| 15:43.42 | zash | http://tokiolapalm.cool.ne.jp/giken/030429zire/zire04.jpg |
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| 15:44.27 | zash | the connectorthingy betwen the camerabutton+bottom external connetor |
| 15:44.31 | Dave | :o |
| 15:44.36 | Dave | oh snap |
| 15:44.40 | zash | yes |
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| 15:45.00 | zash | opening and closing it eventualy breaks it |
| 15:45.40 | Dave | :( |
| 15:45.46 | toggles_w | anyone know how to install zhone via opkg? |
| 15:45.58 | Dave | openening and closing the device? (housing) |
| 15:46.05 | Dave | because it stretches/breaks the cable? :p |
| 15:47.07 | zash | Dave: no, to use the camera you slide it out |
| 15:47.12 | Dave | oh yeah I see that now :P |
| 15:47.15 | Dave | I just tried it :D |
| 15:47.23 | Dave | so that eventually breaks it? |
| 15:47.35 | zash | yes |
| 15:47.41 | Dave | what a shitty design |
| 15:47.44 | zash | indeed |
| 15:47.59 | Dave | Well, other than that, how did you find the device? :p |
| 15:48.02 | Dave | assuming you used it. |
| 15:48.18 | zash | a friend left it where i worked and said i could take it |
| 15:48.59 | Dave | oh, heh |
| 15:49.10 | zash | new cable costs nothing |
| 15:49.13 | zash | but the shipping .. |
| 15:49.17 | Dave | well maybe they learned their lesson, because the zire72 seems to alleviate that problem |
| 15:49.32 | Dave | zash, well, I have a BOX full of fucking zires, apparenrtly |
| 15:49.37 | zash | coul |
| 15:49.38 | Dave | 71's and various 72s |
| 15:49.46 | Dave | that I just received similarly from someone |
| 15:49.51 | Dave | most apparently work fine though |
| 15:49.55 | Dave | I'm just not sure what to do with them |
| 15:49.58 | zash | install linux! |
| 15:50.02 | Dave | openmoko? |
| 15:50.10 | Dave | :P |
| 15:50.13 | zash | could work |
| 15:50.18 | Dave | might be stupid? |
| 15:50.30 | Dave | is there a particular version which is best suited for it? |
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| 15:50.38 | Dave | I mean, I'm sure it's no treo, but still... |
| 15:51.01 | zash | "144 MHz TI OMAP310 Processor" |
| 15:51.18 | Dave | :O |
| 15:51.21 | Dave | oh snap |
| 15:51.23 | Dave | :D |
| 15:51.29 | Dave | not bad |
| 15:51.53 | zash | is that comparable with neo1973? |
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| 15:52.40 | Dave | hmm, I don't think so |
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| 15:52.58 | Dave | but i'm uninclined to use openmoko, actually :p |
| 15:53.01 | Dave | imagine that. |
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| 15:55.18 | mwester | The core distro used by FSO, Om, etc is Angstrom --- Angstrom also runs on the Zire 71 IIRC. Google "opie" I think... |
| 15:55.38 | Dave | hah, there's a zire 31 as well :p |
| 15:55.40 | Dave | cute |
| 15:55.50 | Dave | Mwester, cool |
| 15:55.58 | Dave | Then I'm sure it'll run on the 72 as well, right? |
| 15:56.12 | Dave | But seriously, what the fuck am I suppose to do with 24 for these!? |
| 15:56.25 | zash | ebay |
| 15:56.34 | Dave | hahaha |
| 15:56.40 | Dave | zash, want one? :P |
| 15:56.48 | Dave | or two? |
| 15:56.48 | zash | yes |
| 15:56.51 | Dave | :P |
| 15:57.16 | zash | IMAGINE A BEOWULF CLUSTER OF THOSE |
| 15:57.22 | Dave | O_O |
| 15:57.31 | Dave | I'd rather one with my freerunners, but yeah, okay :) |
| 15:57.37 | Dave | beomoko |
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| 15:57.42 | Dave | I should write a wiki page on that |
| 15:57.45 | Dave | beozire? |
| 15:57.50 | zash | hehe |
| 15:58.00 | Dave | could be interesting :) |
| 15:58.31 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 15:58.45 | Dave | I wonder if they can be modified... |
| 15:58.54 | techiem2-r | a cluster of zires to compile stuff for your freerunner |
| 15:58.59 | Dave | rofl |
| 15:59.01 | Dave | :D |
| 15:59.12 | zash | or use as display extenders |
| 15:59.13 | Dave | and then a cluster of freerunners to compile shit for your pc :p |
| 15:59.18 | Dave | zash! |
| 15:59.19 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 15:59.29 | Dave | sweet |
| 15:59.38 | Dave | I wonder how difficult that would be to interface... |
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| 15:59.45 | zash | while the 71 i had lived i used is as a tv remote |
| 15:59.52 | Dave | hah |
| 15:59.54 | Dave | that's it? |
| 15:59.58 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 16:00.03 | zash | and had some games on it |
| 16:00.04 | Dave | I used to use my palm100 for that |
| 16:00.08 | Dave | yeah, same here |
| 16:00.13 | ieatlint | how's your weekend going? |
| 16:00.21 | Dave | too fast |
| 16:00.38 | Dave | lint, we were just discussing what I could do with my box full 'o palm zires |
| 16:00.46 | Dave | read up, it's amusing |
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| 16:01.14 | ieatlint | simple, force them into retail market iphone cases and sell them on ebay as iphones |
| 16:01.18 | Dave | zash, I wonder how difficult it'd be to use the displays on them in such a way |
| 16:01.25 | Dave | haha |
| 16:01.32 | Dave | The thought DID cross my mind... |
| 16:01.51 | zash | ieatlint: why not just get a bunch of iphone boxes and sell them |
| 16:01.57 | techiem2-r | "The new not yet released iPhone 4G!" |
| 16:01.58 | Dave | :P |
| 16:02.03 | Dave | sweet |
| 16:02.07 | Dave | iPhone Z! |
| 16:02.08 | zash | ieatlint: as long as it says "this is just a box, no iphone" |
| 16:02.12 | Dave | yeah |
| 16:02.17 | Dave | people pay good money for that |
| 16:02.26 | ieatlint | zash, try it, and let me know what your state's AG says about it |
| 16:02.43 | Dave | heh |
| 16:02.53 | ieatlint | or whatever the swedish equiv is :P |
| 16:02.58 | zash | ag? |
| 16:03.03 | Dave | I wonder how good the camera on it is... it says it's only 1.3M :| |
| 16:03.17 | zash | Dave: zire 71 has VGA |
| 16:03.27 | Dave | I have a bunch of 72's as well |
| 16:03.31 | Dave | they look slightly improved. |
| 16:03.34 | ieatlint | attorney general... it's who americans call when they've been defrauded |
| 16:03.47 | Dave | either that, or GHOSTBUSTERS |
| 16:03.49 | ieatlint | unless they're wusses, and just call the bbb |
| 16:03.58 | Dave | heh |
| 16:04.08 | Dave | hey, fuck you, lint :) |
| 16:04.17 | Dave | I hope no one called them on openmoko |
| 16:04.23 | ieatlint | lol |
| 16:04.27 | Dave | oh wait, they're in teh .cn |
| 16:04.30 | zash | ieatlint: if it says "this is only a box" |
| 16:04.32 | Dave | lucky them |
| 16:04.33 | ieatlint | i don't think openmoko has made any lies |
| 16:04.39 | ieatlint | openmoko is tw |
| 16:04.45 | Dave | no, just come short on MANY "promises" |
| 16:04.53 | Dave | lint, close enough |
| 16:04.58 | ieatlint | zash, that wouldn't fly here |
| 16:05.12 | Dave | they won't extradite the developers >:) |
| 16:05.15 | Dave | haha |
| 16:05.24 | Dave | that would be funny though |
| 16:05.29 | Dave | have an openmoko court |
| 16:05.40 | ieatlint | if you sold it for a price similar to what one would pay for the iphone, then it would be reasonably argued that you had an intent to defraud the party, even if you put a disclaimer |
| 16:05.44 | Dave | and have a ruling on which distro will proceed from here on out |
| 16:06.04 | ieatlint | the laws are to protect the consumers, who often lack common sense :) |
| 16:06.11 | Dave | ieatlint, well you're safe on ebay, but clearly it's shunned behavior, because YES, the intent IS to defraud |
| 16:06.20 | Dave | yeah, remember, americans are stupid |
| 16:06.25 | Dave | and people in general :) |
| 16:06.33 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 16:06.42 | techiem2-r | http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/101208/doing-something-dumb.gif |
| 16:06.44 | Dave | but lint, it's funny though because on occasion I actually sold the boxes of stuff |
| 16:06.45 | ieatlint | but we all know that awesome story from ebay about the ps2 box |
| 16:06.50 | Dave | just the boxes, for say $5 |
| 16:07.04 | Dave | and some of them were actually valuable for whatever reason (like the PS3 box or something) |
| 16:07.09 | Dave | so someone bought it for $50! |
| 16:07.18 | ieatlint | and here i threw my ps3 box away :( |
| 16:07.22 | Dave | (probably with the intent to defraud someone online for $300) |
| 16:07.28 | Dave | but I did think that far ahead :P |
| 16:07.40 | ieatlint | i have a shrinkwrapper too, that's how i defraud |
| 16:07.45 | Dave | haha |
| 16:07.50 | Dave | naughty naughty :p |
| 16:07.58 | ieatlint | (i seriously do have one) |
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| 16:08.09 | Dave | It's good for bodies, too. |
| 16:08.17 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 16:08.47 | ieatlint | this one isn't big enough for bodies |
| 16:08.53 | ieatlint | unless you break it up first |
| 16:08.55 | Dave | so is there some component adapter for the zire? |
| 16:08.58 | Dave | lint >:) |
| 16:09.14 | ieatlint | you could bundle drugs, money, small animals, etc |
| 16:09.23 | Dave | iPhones... |
| 16:09.39 | ieatlint | i dunno, their egos might be too big |
| 16:09.44 | Dave | hahaha |
| 16:09.51 | sicu | i believe you get more for shrinkwrapped bodyparts, than you do for the whole body =] |
| 16:09.52 | Dave | fucking dickhats :p |
| 16:10.01 | Dave | haha sicu |
| 16:10.02 | Dave | sicko |
| 16:10.05 | Dave | more like in china |
| 16:10.06 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 16:10.12 | ieatlint | nice and fresh! |
| 16:10.14 | Dave | where they have soups for that kind of thing |
| 16:10.19 | sicu | haha |
| 16:10.23 | Dave | though honestly, the germans strike me as being more bloodthirsty |
| 16:10.25 | Dave | :P |
| 16:10.30 | Dave | Especially 'round these parts. |
| 16:10.48 | ieatlint | just because there was that huge sex/cannibalism case does not mean all germans enjoy the taste of human flesh |
| 16:11.04 | Dave | uh huh |
| 16:11.07 | ieatlint | arguably, most germans likely don't even know if they do, having not had the opportunity to try |
| 16:11.16 | Dave | yeah well |
| 16:11.18 | Dave | we'll see... |
| 16:11.19 | ieatlint | this is why i vote libertarian |
| 16:11.24 | Dave | ;p |
| 16:11.42 | ieatlint | if i want to sell my deceased loved ones for food, i should damn well have the right to |
| 16:11.58 | zash | hahahah |
| 16:12.10 | Dave | :) |
| 16:12.16 | CM | We even have a pirate party here in Sweden ;) |
| 16:12.20 | Dave | :D |
| 16:12.32 | ieatlint | not as impressive as the paedophile party in holland |
| 16:12.38 | Dave | haha |
| 16:12.40 | zash | pp ftw! |
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| 16:12.42 | Dave | :D |
| 16:12.50 | CM | zash: Which pp? |
| 16:12.50 | zash | ehm |
| 16:12.52 | CM | :P |
| 16:12.55 | zash | CM: the pirate one |
| 16:12.58 | Dave | winnar? |
| 16:13.00 | CM | Hehe |
| 16:13.20 | ieatlint | hehe, yeah, here's to hoping you aren't cheering for paedophilia |
| 16:13.29 | Dave | So, anyway, what to do with 24 zires? |
| 16:13.40 | zash | Dave: give them to me ;) |
| 16:13.42 | ieatlint | hmmm |
| 16:13.45 | Dave | haha |
| 16:13.55 | Dave | that's not as creative as some of the other responses :p |
| 16:14.00 | Dave | but certainly one option :) |
| 16:14.07 | Dave | zash, do you have a lot of TVs? |
| 16:14.08 | Dave | :P |
| 16:14.11 | ieatlint | i'm not familiar with them |
| 16:14.15 | ieatlint | do they run linux? |
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| 16:14.22 | Dave | ieatlint, yeah, mwester mentioned it above |
| 16:14.25 | zash | Dave: no, none actualy |
| 16:14.34 | zash | Dave: internet > tv |
| 16:14.39 | Dave | < mwester> The core distro used by FSO, Om, etc is Angstrom --- Angstrom also runs on the Zire 71 IIRC. Google "opie" I think... |
| 16:15.10 | Dave | zash, huhu |
| 16:15.18 | ieatlint | 144mhz... damn, that fast! |
| 16:15.23 | Dave | I was just about to say, there's nothing but crappy american football on tv here |
| 16:15.27 | Dave | lint, impressed? |
| 16:15.29 | ieatlint | that meets the minimum requirements to run windows 2000 |
| 16:15.35 | Dave | ROFL |
| 16:15.45 | Dave | uh oh |
| 16:15.47 | ieatlint | except for the whole arch issue |
| 16:15.52 | Dave | I don't like where you're headed with this... :) |
| 16:16.18 | ieatlint | yeah, i dunno what to suggest |
| 16:16.26 | ieatlint | now, if you had 24 newtons... |
| 16:17.15 | ieatlint | so they're zire 71s? |
| 16:18.17 | ieatlint | if they had bluetooth, you could place them throughout an area and track people who had bluetooth devices using a triangulation method that has been explained to me twice but i still don't understand |
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| 16:19.18 | zash | freerunner has bt, right? |
| 16:19.19 | Dave | lint, not all |
| 16:19.30 | Dave | some of them are various 72 models |
| 16:19.44 | ieatlint | yes, fr has bt |
| 16:19.48 | Dave | lint, bluetooth eh... sounds interesting |
| 16:19.56 | Dave | lint, wouldn't wifi me more practical? :P |
| 16:20.07 | ieatlint | as to what use you would have for that info... i dunno |
| 16:20.30 | ieatlint | do they have wifi? |
| 16:20.44 | zash | things with wifi dont have it on all the time? |
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| 16:21.09 | ieatlint | you could also use the bt as a "content delivery system" .. pushing messages to nearby phone with open bt |
| 16:22.43 | zedstar | likes BT traffic logging |
| 16:23.52 | ieatlint | i managed to cut my lip... i would discourage others from trying it, it's quite bloody and annoying |
| 16:24.17 | Dave | :X |
| 16:24.18 | Dave | eww |
| 16:24.20 | Dave | gross |
| 16:24.28 | Dave | lint, stop bleeding all over yourself... |
| 16:24.33 | Dave | I'm sure it's rather disgusting. |
| 16:24.35 | Dave | and messy |
| 16:24.57 | Dave | I hope you didn't cut yourself on your debian freerunner ;) |
| 16:25.10 | sicu | don't let your FR get a taste for your blood ... you'll be doomed |
| 16:25.22 | ieatlint | i don't run debian |
| 16:25.43 | ieatlint | lol |
| 16:25.59 | ieatlint | yeah, i had heard of the freerunner's thirst for blood |
| 16:26.55 | Dave | yeah, and debian tends to bleed you ;p |
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| 16:26.57 | Dave | heh heh |
| 16:27.00 | Dave | Hey Zilla :) |
| 16:27.05 | Zilla | Ey |
| 16:27.08 | Dave | :] |
| 16:27.15 | Dave | hoe is het, vriend? |
| 16:27.22 | Zilla | Uhu :D |
| 16:28.07 | Zilla | hoest met jou dan? |
| 16:28.14 | ieatlint | oooh, costco has $700 off a pool table |
| 16:28.20 | Dave | goed, blijkbaar |
| 16:28.25 | Dave | lint :O |
| 16:28.49 | Dave | Lint, 700 off? then how much is it down to!? |
| 16:28.55 | ieatlint | $2.5k |
| 16:29.04 | Dave | Lint, did I ever tell you about the summer I tried to make one? |
| 16:29.10 | ieatlint | lol |
| 16:29.15 | ieatlint | that doesn't sound good |
| 16:29.16 | Dave | ;) |
| 16:29.25 | Dave | hey, I still have all my limbs intact! |
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| 16:29.30 | Dave | it can't be THAT bad... right? :P |
| 16:29.35 | ieatlint | and fingers? |
| 16:29.44 | Dave | yes, all elev... ten. |
| 16:29.50 | Dave | :) |
| 16:30.10 | ieatlint | hehe... |
| 16:30.44 | Dave | Anyhoo, it wasn't bad, I tried to get away without having to purchase a slab of slate, for the table. |
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| 16:30.54 | Dave | since that's the primary cost. |
| 16:31.04 | Dave | but also what makes the table, so to speak :P |
| 16:31.20 | ieatlint | yeah, hehe |
| 16:31.35 | ieatlint | just use particleboard, it's essentially the same thing.. |
| 16:31.39 | Dave | yeah |
| 16:31.43 | Dave | I used uhh, shit, what's it called |
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| 16:33.49 | Dave | It's really similar, just stronger and more durable. |
| 16:34.05 | ieatlint | how about plexiglass on wood |
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| 16:35.32 | Dave | heh |
| 16:35.35 | Dave | that'd be hot |
| 16:35.40 | Dave | and possibly roll pretty good |
| 16:35.52 | ieatlint | or perhaps acryllic, which is stiffer |
| 16:36.11 | Dave | yeah my only concern with a cheaper substitute was warping |
| 16:36.24 | Dave | especially being exposed to humidity |
| 16:36.28 | ieatlint | ahh, yeah.. |
| 16:36.37 | Dave | but hey, for the price I DIDN'T PAY to construct it... |
| 16:36.37 | ieatlint | shouldn't leave on the east coast man |
| 16:36.43 | Dave | I could just as cheaply make another? |
| 16:36.47 | ieatlint | live |
| 16:36.47 | Dave | hahaha yeah :p |
| 16:36.49 | ieatlint | heh |
| 16:36.59 | Dave | I mean shit, you can make a really ghetto table for $200 |
| 16:37.04 | Dave | WE proved it could be done! |
| 16:37.08 | ieatlint | lol |
| 16:37.15 | ieatlint | let EPA know! |
| 16:37.17 | Dave | I called it an "outdoor" table :P |
| 16:37.19 | Dave | rofl |
| 16:37.24 | Dave | maybe even PETA |
| 16:37.25 | ieatlint | spread the word |
| 16:37.28 | Dave | haha |
| 16:37.40 | ieatlint | hehe, nah, east palo alto |
| 16:38.00 | Dave | hahaha |
| 16:38.06 | Dave | dude |
| 16:38.13 | Dave | some kid would jack it from me :\ |
| 16:38.27 | Dave | and yet, leave me in my expensive car... |
| 16:38.32 | Dave | strange youngsters these days... |
| 16:38.45 | Dave | EPA has shaped up though |
| 16:38.45 | ieatlint | first time i saw "used tires" for sale was in epa... |
| 16:38.52 | Dave | though there's still no lack of weaponsfire :) |
| 16:38.57 | Dave | haha |
| 16:39.02 | Dave | Something new for you, I take it :P |
| 16:39.03 | ieatlint | epa.. kinda, they're still ghetto as hell |
| 16:39.08 | Dave | oh hells yeah |
| 16:39.16 | Dave | but now they've got banners that say it! |
| 16:39.20 | Dave | classy... :P |
| 16:39.24 | ieatlint | the first time i saw "used carpet" for sale was in stockton, heh |
| 16:39.49 | Dave | mmm... carpet |
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| 16:39.59 | Dave | they probably got most of the bloodstains out :) |
| 16:40.07 | ieatlint | lol |
| 16:40.41 | Dave | police auctions ftw! :P |
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| 16:44.17 | Dave | I wonder if I can make use of all these palm displays |
| 16:44.27 | Dave | and extend them together |
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| 16:47.13 | Dave | por Zilla |
| 16:47.30 | Zilla | slaat terug |
| 16:47.40 | Dave | :D |
| 16:47.42 | zash | achtung panzer |
| 16:47.47 | Dave | o.O |
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| 16:47.54 | Dave | zash: niets! |
| 16:48.10 | nyu | does any of the distros that support FR allow you to _export_ contacts in a easily reimportable format? |
| 16:48.20 | nyu | it appears that qtopia doesn't |
| 16:48.36 | nyu | or alternatively, allow you to save contacts to the SIM instead of /home/ |
| 16:48.37 | Dave | yeah, it's sad because I'm not sure if any of them do that :P |
| 16:48.43 | Dave | heh |
| 16:48.47 | Dave | also that |
| 16:48.51 | Dave | fuck |
| 16:48.55 | Dave | we need a STANDARDS COMMITTEE |
| 16:49.00 | Dave | and not composed of dolts |
| 16:49.06 | Dave | and/or clods |
| 16:49.09 | nyu | so how am I supposed not to ditch all my contacts every time I switch or upgrade the system? |
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| 16:49.16 | Zilla | just use the vcf format for contacts ;) |
| 16:49.25 | quickdev | a pim storage system is already written, but not integrated |
| 16:49.30 | nyu | Zilla: and how do you export vcf? |
| 16:49.32 | Zilla | or your simcard |
| 16:49.36 | Zilla | i dont know |
| 16:49.47 | nyu | Zilla: ok, how do you save contacts to the sim? :-) |
| 16:49.57 | Zilla | well. with soma at-commands |
| 16:49.58 | Zilla | :| |
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| 16:53.02 | cjb | g~. |
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| 17:00.12 | Dave | quickdev :] |
| 17:00.22 | Dave | Zilla, ja, but some are broken :[ |
| 17:00.31 | nyu | finally |
| 17:00.33 | nyu | sqlite3 ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite .dump |
| 17:00.38 | Zilla | well i didnt know that |
| 17:00.49 | nyu | then I just need to parse the SQL gibberish |
| 17:01.01 | nyu | but at least I can call my friends now, gee |
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| 17:01.25 | Zilla | well storing your pim and contact info in a sqlite database is a great idea :D |
| 17:02.23 | Dave | :D |
| 17:02.43 | Dave | if only it worked this way (or even the same way) on all the distros -_-; |
| 17:04.13 | quickdev | Zilla, have a look at http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=tree;f=opimd;h=9b0a12f773dec891aab8af78cc56e3bf1b78dda6;hb=HEAD |
| 17:04.29 | Dave | ieatlint, how's your lip? |
| 17:04.48 | Zilla | ill have alook ;) quickdev |
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| 17:24.45 | NaGateaux | stupid question : how do you mount jffs2 image ? (or at leat get the files inside...) |
| 17:25.20 | real_ate | ... how random, my question is VERY related to your's NaGateaux |
| 17:25.38 | real_ate | NaGateaux: have you tried to follow the wiki instructions? |
| 17:25.48 | NaGateaux | not yet, I've just found them |
| 17:26.07 | real_ate | NaGateaux: let me know how that goes cos its not workin for me |
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| 17:26.51 | real_ate | anyone know why /dev/mtdblock0 would not exist? |
| 17:27.37 | LuYu | isnt it dynamically created? |
| 17:27.48 | LuYu | maybe the disk wasnt detected |
| 17:27.58 | Dave | hmm |
| 17:28.02 | Blastur | i guess if you dont have mtd kernel support loaded, the device node will not show up |
| 17:28.09 | Blastur | or maybe you just need to create one using mknod |
| 17:28.13 | LuYu | IIRC, that happened when partitioning destroyed my SD card |
| 17:28.27 | NaGateaux | real_ate: try "mknod /dev/mtdblock0 b 31 0" |
| 17:28.58 | LuYu | it happened with a transcend card |
| 17:28.58 | Blastur | some older drivers do not automatically create device entries in the filesystem |
| 17:28.58 | NaGateaux | seems to be fine on my computer |
| 17:29.03 | LuYu | can you mount it and write to it on the computer? |
| 17:29.15 | real_ate | NaGateaux: trying that now |
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| 17:31.32 | real_ate | ... ok.... now i'm getting an error "unknown filesystem type jffs2" |
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| 17:31.51 | real_ate | i know i've done this before on the same laptop |
| 17:32.12 | NaGateaux | y'ove got to install mtd-tools |
| 17:32.21 | NaGateaux | you've* |
| 17:32.35 | NaGateaux | (this is the package name for debian/ubuntu) |
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| 17:34.50 | real_ate | NaGateaux: still got the same error |
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| 17:40.54 | NaGateaux | weird, once I installed mtd-tools jffs2 became a valid FS |
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| 17:42.19 | real_ate | i don't believe it ... google has never heard about the "unknown filesystem type 'jffs2'" error |
| 17:42.19 | real_ate | :( |
| 17:42.49 | real_ate | am i doing anything hugely wrong here? |
| 17:43.04 | zoff99 | hi guys |
| 17:43.54 | NaGateaux | hi zoff99 |
| 17:44.06 | NaGateaux | real_ate: what is your distro ? |
| 17:44.24 | real_ate | ubuntu |
| 17:44.46 | real_ate | i've done this thing before on this exact computer |
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| 17:45.01 | real_ate | but i just don't know what is wrong/different now |
| 17:45.27 | NaGateaux | sucks to be you >< |
| 17:45.28 | zoff99 | i have the 2008.8 distro and i like to change what happens when i press AUX oder Power button |
| 17:45.44 | zoff99 | can anyone tell me where this is configured? or compiled into? |
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| 17:46.09 | real_ate | :( boo |
| 17:46.17 | NaGateaux | real_ate: try depmod maybe |
| 17:46.23 | NaGateaux | real_ate: or reboot... |
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| 18:02.06 | real_ate | rebooted to try again |
| 18:02.38 | real_ate | what was that command that makes the mtdblock again? |
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| 18:03.00 | finger | what are you trying to do real_ate? |
| 18:04.08 | real_ate | finger: its ok... i was chatin to someone a sec ago who was helpin me with mounting jffs2 problems |
| 18:04.13 | real_ate | i've rebooted and its ok now |
| 18:04.18 | finger | ah ok |
| 18:05.29 | real_ate | :D |
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| 18:14.44 | Tetracomm | Is the OpenMoko project manager in here? |
| 18:14.52 | Tetracomm | How about any of the active developers? |
| 18:15.37 | slaxxin | who is the project manager? |
| 18:15.53 | Tm_T | Tetracomm: what is your need? |
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| 18:16.34 | Dave | omgwtfzxires |
| 18:17.02 | Tetracomm | I want to know if it is possible to use the OpenMoko's USB port to communicate with other USB powered devices like computers do? |
| 18:17.08 | slaxxin | its dace the project manager |
| 18:17.08 | Tm_T | Dave: I have no idea what you're saying but I have to agree |
| 18:17.28 | Tm_T | Tetracomm: and why you asked project manager or active developers? |
| 18:17.34 | slaxxin | dave* |
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| 18:17.49 | Tetracomm | I thought they would know the most about that, or at least about making that possible. |
| 18:17.51 | real_ate | Tetracomm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
| 18:17.57 | Tetracomm | Thank you. |
| 18:18.00 | Dave | slaxxin? |
| 18:18.02 | slaxxin | on sunday? |
| 18:18.05 | nyu | Tetracomm: don't ask to ask, it's a waste of time |
| 18:18.08 | Dave | Tm_T :) |
| 18:18.13 | real_ate | likes to be helpful |
| 18:18.32 | Tetracomm | Wonderful. :) |
| 18:18.34 | Tetracomm | This is good. |
| 18:18.38 | slaxxin | just blurt out the Question dont be shy |
| 18:18.47 | Tetracomm | Not many phones have that, right? |
| 18:18.59 | Dave | yeah, ask slaxin, he's a huge noob :D |
| 18:18.59 | Tm_T | no, not any IIRC |
| 18:19.06 | Dave | he knows what he's talking about :P |
| 18:19.12 | Tetracomm | Wonderful. |
| 18:19.17 | Tetracomm | I must have one of those phones. |
| 18:19.18 | slaxxin | thats me im a user not a dev |
| 18:19.53 | slaxxin | i do know a few answers |
| 18:19.58 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.18 | real_ate | anyone got any opinion what qt 4.4 is like on freerunner? |
| 18:20.36 | slaxxin | i use it at the moment |
| 18:21.00 | Zilla | is there a way to emulate qt firmware on a pc? |
| 18:21.18 | slaxxin | battery life is much advanced over openmoko at the moment |
| 18:21.20 | real_ate | slaxxin: cool! :D does anyone give out to you about not being able to call you |
| 18:21.30 | zash | Zilla: like .. KDE? |
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| 18:21.47 | zash | Zilla: or the phonethingy in qemu |
| 18:21.49 | Zilla | no the openmoko firmware but than emulated |
| 18:21.56 | Zilla | yes |
| 18:22.00 | Tetracomm | How fast is the Neorunner processor? |
| 18:22.09 | slaxxin | phone sometimes sound does not work after resume |
| 18:22.12 | zash | Tetracomm: 400Mhz ARM |
| 18:22.14 | rhkfin | Anyone able to tell me why dialer/contacts/messages won't start on 2008.9? What are the commands to try them on cli to see error messages? |
| 18:22.17 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 18:22.25 | Zilla | i couldnt find a great tut on how to install om firmware on qemu |
| 18:22.55 | Dave | rawr zilla |
| 18:23.19 | real_ate | slaxxin: sound how? like ring tone sound? |
| 18:24.14 | slaxxin | well thesound will stop " when u dial out no ringing is heard in the earpiece of the freerunner |
| 18:24.19 | Zilla | rawr? |
| 18:24.32 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.53 | slaxxin | and the ringtone to |
| 18:25.11 | slaxxin | for an incoming call or outgoing call |
| 18:25.20 | Dave | :D |
| 18:25.43 | slaxxin | but the battery stays up much bettrt/longer |
| 18:26.35 | zash | has someone figured out how to run random images in qemu yet? |
| 18:26.38 | zash | and documented it |
| 18:26.42 | slaxxin | it seems that if this problem occurs on most of the os for the neo |
| 18:27.06 | slaxxin | i dont know about debian |
| 18:27.53 | Dave | Hello zash! |
| 18:28.02 | zash | hello |
| 18:29.58 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | the last time i tried makefile instructions for Ubuntu i got nothing working :-/ |
| 18:30.12 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | it loaded the non-working copy o qtopia |
| 18:30.18 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | after downloading like 800 mb? |
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| 18:35.48 | Dave | Mwester - appear! |
| 18:36.46 | sicu | careful what you wish for... |
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| 18:40.35 | Dave | D: |
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| 18:43.24 | GNUtoo-desktop | hello, is there a battery monitor for debian, if no in what app(preferably Python ) should i look into in order to make a quick and dirty one |
| 18:43.40 | Tm_T | Dave: quick Q: opinion about Plasma (KDE4 thingy) in OM |
| 18:44.17 | Dave | I have no idea |
| 18:44.20 | Dave | I don't do KDE |
| 18:44.31 | Dave | and don't want it in OM |
| 18:44.38 | Dave | but sure, it might be cool... |
| 18:44.48 | Dave | Sorry if I wasn't of much help on that topic :) |
| 18:44.52 | Dave | TM_T screenshots? |
| 18:46.12 | Tm_T | Dave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-gbF1rgb4 |
| 18:46.54 | GNUtoo-desktop | Tm_T, the youtube video of plasma on one of the openmoko phones doesn't work for me(mabe it's because i use youtube-dl || greasemonkey+video player) |
| 18:47.25 | Tm_T | GNUtoo-desktop: interesting, though, cannot help, I rarely touch youtube |
| 18:48.20 | rhkfin | Works for me. And I'm waiting Tm_t to help plasma to be usable on OM :) |
| 18:48.51 | GNUtoo-desktop | is there plasma in debian? |
| 18:49.53 | sigi | Q: anyone got a clue of how many freerunners have been sold worldwide up to date ? |
| 18:51.24 | rhkfin | GNUtoo-desktop: yes, you can install KDE4 on Debian. I don't know if there's an arm port and how does it work. Anyone want to try :)? |
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| 18:51.38 | sicu | ouch ... plasma was laggy on neo, but cool =] |
| 18:52.00 | Tm_T | sicu: the old hardware, sure |
| 18:52.00 | rhkfin | sigi: over 5000 but not many times that was the answer today on the mailing lists |
| 18:53.17 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | wishes other manufacturers went open too with their phone specs |
| 18:54.13 | Dave | -_- |
| 18:54.14 | Dave | uggh |
| 18:54.19 | Dave | TmT, don't send me stupid flash :P |
| 18:55.11 | Tm_T | Dave: awww, anyway, Plasma is a framework to make small applications, widgets if you like |
| 18:55.23 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | where do I look for updated information? not to mention authentic. |
| 18:55.35 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | earlier someone told me here, that wiki is outdated |
| 18:55.36 | CM | Tm_T: Why not using swfdec? |
| 18:55.44 | sigi | rhkfin: ok thanks |
| 18:55.47 | Tm_T | CM: erm? |
| 18:56.00 | CM | To play the flash? |
| 18:56.11 | Tm_T | CM: it's working fine here, sir |
| 18:56.21 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 18:56.24 | CM | :) |
| 18:56.42 | CM | Just saw that you said doesn't work for me(mabe it's because i use.. |
| 18:56.53 | Dave | Tmmt, sounds cute, I suppose... |
| 18:57.08 | Tm_T | Dave: not cute, powerful (:) |
| 18:57.20 | rhkfin | sigi: so I suppose over 10 000 anyway.. |
| 18:57.30 | Tm_T | Dave: whole KDE4 desktop is running on top of Plasma, but, it can be less, it can be more |
| 18:57.32 | CM | What about Tichy? |
| 18:57.56 | Tm_T | Dave: anyway, you should use tab, you fail to hilight me now |
| 18:58.15 | Dave | You fail to spell correctly. |
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| 18:58.24 | Tm_T | Dave: I do (:) |
| 18:58.35 | Dave | :) |
| 18:58.37 | Tm_T | has rocket-high loads |
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| 19:01.51 | Dave | yahoo? |
| 19:02.04 | Tm_T | yahoo? |
| 19:02.45 | Dave | wahoo? |
| 19:03.15 | Tm_T | ok, I don't know how to play this game |
| 19:03.31 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | zahoo? |
| 19:03.46 | zash | hoo |
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| 19:07.59 | GNUtoo-desktop | rhkfin, how many space does kde4-minimal takes? |
| 19:08.10 | Tm_T | 2 spaces |
| 19:08.34 | Dave | space space? |
| 19:08.37 | Tm_T | userbase and one beneath it |
| 19:09.01 | GNUtoo-desktop | Tm_T, MB |
| 19:09.06 | sicu | Dave: =D |
| 19:09.16 | GNUtoo-desktop | sorry for my bad english |
| 19:09.26 | Tm_T | GNUtoo-desktop: ah, let me see... |
| 19:09.27 | Dave | :D |
| 19:09.52 | rhkfin | I have no idea.. I'd guess it'd be better to install on µSD than in the flash |
| 19:10.05 | Dave | rifk rifk |
| 19:10.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | rhkfin, i have 2GB microsd...making space for kde4-minimal...removing openoffice(that doesn't work) and abiword |
| 19:11.02 | Dave | :P |
| 19:11.03 | Tm_T | GNUtoo-desktop: for debian I cannot say, prolly some hundred MBs |
| 19:11.11 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 19:11.39 | rhkfin | GNUtoo-desktop: if you apt-get install kde4-minimal you'll see the required space before download I think? |
| 19:11.47 | Tm_T | it does |
| 19:11.48 | zash | GNUtoo-desktop: i have a slimmed xubuntu that takes 1.8 GB |
| 19:11.55 | Dave | damn, I wish I could get this camera driver to work properly |
| 19:11.57 | GNUtoo-desktop | rhkfin, ah yes...good idea |
| 19:11.58 | Tm_T | zash: it's different =) |
| 19:12.27 | zash | Tm_T: ofc |
| 19:12.29 | Dave | zash, any idea if the zire can stream vga? |
| 19:12.30 | Dave | :p |
| 19:12.38 | zash | Dave: no |
| 19:12.41 | zash | i have no idea |
| 19:12.42 | Dave | =[ |
| 19:16.42 | GNUtoo-desktop | http://rafb.net/p/RFA7Lo81.html |
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| 19:16.57 | GNUtoo-desktop | Tm_T, ^^^ |
| 19:17.21 | Kero | FSO M3 as well as self-built (stable) have crashing enlightenment... seems rather random, though the event "GSM connected" triggers it I think, together with printing a binary string in the upper right corner (name of provider?) |
| 19:17.39 | Kero | trying to build unstable/autorev fails (no real surprise) |
| 19:17.41 | Tm_T | GNUtoo-desktop: broken packages, hmm, try update packagelists? |
| 19:18.15 | Kero | how to get more recent software (enlightenment in particular) on my neo before starting to report bugs? |
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| 19:19.19 | Dave | shit, I wish I knew how to turn this thing on :p |
| 19:19.45 | Tm_T | Dave: "*taptaptap* is this mic on?" ? |
| 19:19.47 | SpeedEvil | passes dave a book entitled 'Lapdancing for dummies'. |
| 19:19.52 | GNUtoo-desktop | Tm_T, you meant apt-get update? because i do not know well debian... |
| 19:19.59 | Tm_T | GNUtoo-desktop: yes |
| 19:20.14 | GNUtoo-desktop | Tm_T, doesn't work |
| 19:20.30 | Tm_T | what doesn't work? |
| 19:21.12 | GNUtoo-desktop | Tm_T, i update then i apt-get install kde4-minimal and it gives me the same error message |
| 19:21.53 | Tm_T | GNUtoo-desktop: then broken packages, not much we can help |
| 19:22.09 | GNUtoo-desktop | Tm_T, ok...so mabe i'll wait for testing kde4 |
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| 19:23.42 | Dave | :) |
| 19:23.49 | Dave | tm_t, more like plug it in first :D |
| 19:23.50 | Dave | :P |
| 19:24.01 | Tm_T | Dave: traditional (:) |
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| 19:25.12 | GNUtoo-desktop | I've a problem with debian...first i want to say that i don't know well debian ...here's the problem: the packages are not customised for the freerunner: for instance mplayer isn't built with libmad...and it needs to be built with libmad to be able to use it...how is it possible to fix that? repositories priorities?(if we create one repo with customised things...) |
| 19:26.37 | Dave | :D |
| 19:27.51 | GNUtoo-desktop | found why the youtube video didn't work: avaliable only as flash...and I was using best quality |
| 19:28.47 | sicu | Kero: how does it crash? do you get a dialog? what does it say? |
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| 19:30.32 | thantalos | hey - i just screwed the sound on my fr. which files do have to restore to have the default behavior back? |
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| 19:30.54 | thantalos | It's FDOM |
| 19:31.13 | thantalos | so i guess it would be the same files for 2008.9 |
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| 19:32.58 | Kero | sicu: I get a dialog from enlightenment allowing me to Recover or Quit. Recovering works, for a while. then I get another of these dialogs |
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| 19:34.44 | mwester | GNUtoo-desktop: Now if you were to take debian packages, and customize them for the freerunner (or more generically for small embedded-type devices), how would the result of that be different from OE? :-) |
| 19:35.05 | Tm_T | mwester: "uh, emmm, its debian!" |
| 19:35.07 | Tm_T | hides |
| 19:35.47 | GNUtoo-desktop | mwester, the difference would be that you would have some customised packages like oe and the rest that there isn't in oe...i mean the huge quantity of packages... |
| 19:36.41 | mwester | Ok, but wouldn't it be more effective to add the missing packages to OE, rather than re-invent all the infrastructure to break up and customize all those packages? |
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| 19:37.14 | GNUtoo-desktop | mwester, how many packages has debian...and how many packages has oe... |
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| 19:37.39 | Tm_T | GNUtoo-desktop: stil |
| 19:37.55 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes...oe is great...but lacks packages... |
| 19:38.00 | mwester | GNUtoo-desktop: What has that to do with my question? |
| 19:38.07 | mwester | Add the packages to OE |
| 19:38.20 | sicu | Kero: hmmm, not sure about that one |
| 19:38.21 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok... |
| 19:38.23 | mwester | OE is the infrastructure you need to create the packages. |
| 19:38.37 | sicu | Kero: looks like someone has similar problems in 2008.x: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767 |
| 19:38.39 | mwester | If you don't use OE, you will need to write that yourself to take all the debian packages, and re-configure them. |
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| 19:38.48 | mwester | So why not use what's already there? |
| 19:39.04 | GNUtoo-desktop | i'll power up my laptop and look what oe lacks... |
| 19:41.52 | mwester | GNUtoo-desktop: That's fine, but my point has nothing to do with what's lacking; it is merely that the infrastructure to create smaller, tighter, customized-for-freerunner packages is OE, and regardless of how many pacakges there are in OE, that's where you would start if you wanted to convert the Debian pacakges in the fashion you desire. |
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| 19:42.12 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
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| 19:44.24 | Kero | sicu: seems about as vague as mine... But I'll have to check if I get SIGABRT... |
| 19:44.42 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i need a mentor! |
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| 19:45.09 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | gets highly confused |
| 19:45.16 | Kero | mine is at least reliable enough, that I get it every time I boot... |
| 19:47.01 | Kero | SEGV |
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| 19:52.03 | Kero | definitely after sending SIM; gsm daemon is up, I can call my neo (I can see "Incoming" and then "release" behind the Enlihtenment Error dialog!!) |
| 19:53.51 | Kero | I'll make a new ticket. |
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| 20:04.34 | quickdev | Does anyone know how long my neo survives in suspend mode? |
| 20:05.00 | Tm_T | a long time |
| 20:12.15 | quickdev | Tm_T, about? |
| 20:12.31 | quickdev | I've got my phone for months but I haven't ever tried it |
| 20:13.02 | slaxxin | lolol |
| 20:13.28 | slaxxin | qt extended =2 days |
| 20:13.44 | Hire1 | 36 hours |
| 20:13.45 | slaxxin | om 2008.9=1/2 day |
| 20:14.18 | Hire1 | we need to test it with a testing kernel, however .. |
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| 20:14.20 | [Rui] | slaxxin: that's without suspend? |
| 20:14.35 | [Rui] | slaxxin: because with suspend and om 2008.9 you get a white screen of death... |
| 20:14.52 | slaxxin | well i dont get good battery with om |
| 20:15.20 | slaxxin | never have gotten the wsod |
| 20:15.36 | [Rui] | slaxxin: what hw revision do you have? |
| 20:15.41 | slaxxin | not even once |
| 20:15.52 | slaxxin | 05 |
| 20:16.00 | [Rui] | slaxxin: same as I do |
| 20:16.08 | [Rui] | slaxxin: and most people who complain about it |
| 20:16.24 | slaxxin | really |
| 20:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | (same as I do) Sure ;-) There's nothing else ... |
| 20:16.45 | slaxxin | ned to sell an get an 06 |
| 20:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely same hw |
| 20:17.02 | slaxxin | 00 |
| 20:17.47 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | we changed PCB layout to streamline SMT process, that's nearly all |
| 20:18.03 | slaxxin | between 3-4 |
| 20:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | nope, 07 has |
| 20:18.12 | slaxxin | o |
| 20:18.58 | [Rui] | what's a SIM cap? (pardon my ignorance) |
| 20:19.20 | slaxxin | capacitor |
| 20:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | main diff between 05 and 07 is the bigger C on Vsys, stopping "no boot without bat" issue |
| 20:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | 10pF on SIM-slot |
| 20:19.34 | vininim | the 3-4 sim soldering fix is for GPS interference? |
| 20:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | to stop GPS issue |
| 20:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | though that's fixed by kernel patch |
| 20:20.17 | slaxxin | they still did the hw fix though? |
| 20:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | you actually nearly dn't need that C |
| 20:20.31 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: I hope the patch keeps existing for my hw's sake |
| 20:20.32 | [Rui] | :) |
| 20:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | yup, fab and TPE EE is *very* anxious and conservative ;-) |
| 20:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | I'll come up with a nice quick_and_dirty fix for the SD-card-C this evening... Stay tuned. Can be done without soldering |
| 20:22.29 | slaxxin | o really |
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| 20:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | not cerified to fix all GPS issues, but worth the 15min to give it a try. cost: ~$0.00001 ;-) |
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| 20:25.16 | mwester | checks the local electronics parts supplier for anything costing $0.00001 :-) |
| 20:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | (per fixed device though) |
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| 20:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:25.35 | slaxxin | + labor |
| 20:25.40 | mwester | comes up with a very short length of wire. |
| 20:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: how much is 1/2 inch of scotch tape? |
| 20:26.30 | slaxxin | scotch is expencive |
| 20:26.46 | mwester | hmm... now I'm very curious to wee what you have come up with when you get this done... |
| 20:26.53 | mwester | s/wee/see/ |
| 20:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: makes a nice C of ~10pF, with a spring wire and some tin-fol ;-) |
| 20:26.57 | Wonka | eeeh... the GPS issue fix 10pF cap is on the microSD slot. not on the SIM slot. |
| 20:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | foil |
| 20:27.05 | toggles_w | not as expensive as gekko tape http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/10/216243 |
| 20:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | yup, right. Was I lured in a mistake again? sorry |
| 20:28.12 | rhkfin | Can't believe that omview really shows .nef (=nikon raw) photos! So cool! |
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| 20:34.20 | _Bill_ | ha.. figured out how to create a vcf from existing qtopia addressbook database.. |
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| 20:34.40 | viq | put it in wiki |
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| 20:35.16 | _Bill_ | i have to simplify the process still.. but yeah.. once i get it plain enough, i'll do it.. |
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| 20:37.47 | _Bill_ | but basicly you send an email with your all contacts from addressbook without configuring email.. and then you can copy the email from Applications/qtmail and base64 decode it to vcf |
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| 20:41.39 | sicu | _Bill_: heh, nice work =] |
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| 20:44.11 | _Bill_ | my pleasure |
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| 20:49.00 | jaj | Hi, just a quick question, is gsm0710muxd complementary to gsmd or does it replace it? |
| 20:51.23 | _Bill_ | complementary |
| 20:51.33 | _Bill_ | iirc |
| 20:51.47 | _Bill_ | but you should confirm from somewhere |
| 20:52.02 | jaj | _Bill_: thanks |
| 20:53.16 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:55.00 | rhkfin | any pdf reader for 2008.9? |
| 20:56.21 | viq | I think I saw evince available |
| 20:56.32 | rhkfin | oh, ok.. Will check.. |
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| 20:58.11 | jones_ | how would i connect to wifi with 29008.9 |
| 20:58.20 | jones_ | om2008.9* |
| 20:58.33 | jones_ | without downloading packages |
| 20:58.37 | rhkfin | jones_: there're some problems AFAIK.. |
| 20:58.50 | rhkfin | but on the command line: |
| 20:59.00 | rhkfin | (no, wait, you can't get there, can you?) |
| 20:59.16 | rhkfin | Do you have an usb-ssh connection to the phone? |
| 20:59.29 | rhkfin | If yes, then iwconfig eth0 essid networkname |
| 20:59.34 | jones_ | yeah, but i cant get dns to resolv |
| 20:59.45 | rhkfin | and udhcpc to get the IP |
| 21:00.04 | rhkfin | Doesn't work on WEP/WPA.. |
| 21:00.09 | rhkfin | only open networks.. |
| 21:00.16 | jones_ | so i really do need to know how to write corporate compatible wpa_supplicant.confs |
| 21:00.32 | jones_ | oh |
| 21:00.49 | rhkfin | right :) |
| 21:02.01 | rhkfin | jones_: Check this:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 21:02.08 | rhkfin | Might help you with usb networking |
| 21:02.46 | jones_ | i have, i couldnt get dns to resolve, but i could ping ip's |
| 21:02.58 | jones_ | im on a complicated uni network |
| 21:03.03 | rhkfin | ok.. |
| 21:03.10 | viq | jones_: echo "nameserver 192.168.0.200" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:03.33 | viq | jones_: if you have a dns server on your computer that is. Or put there a real nameserver |
| 21:03.55 | jones_ | yeah, i tried using, i think it was the opendns servers, got nothing |
| 21:04.08 | jones_ | wait, i remembered how to fix it... |
| 21:04.13 | viq | Are you able to use that dns normally from your computer? |
| 21:05.41 | jones_ | yeah |
| 21:06.04 | jones_ | i used the dns info from ubuntu, i'll do that |
| 21:06.06 | jaj | has anybody here played with netbsd on the neo? |
| 21:06.07 | jones_ | thanks for the help |
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| 21:09.42 | rhkfin | evince ftw!! |
| 21:11.07 | Mononoke | hmm no updates for quite long time :/ |
| 21:11.52 | rhkfin | ls |
| 21:11.54 | rhkfin | oops .) |
| 21:12.02 | Mononoke | . .. |
| 21:12.27 | rhkfin | heh :) |
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| 21:43.16 | techiem2-r | lol gpe-filemanager crashes when it tries to access /media/card... |
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| 22:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: r u there? |
| 22:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: still curious? look: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/SD-capacitor_GPS-fix/ |
| 22:22.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r4158cde5f714 10/ (17 files in 6 dirs): |
| 22:22.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Updated ousaged specs. Implemented org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend() |
| 22:22.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Implemented org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier. |
| 22:22.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Added an handler in frameworkdHandler for Idle Notifier "State" signal. |
| 22:28.35 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: haha, great work on the alternative capasitor gps fix =] |
| 22:28.43 | sicu | gotta try that one out tomorrow =] |
| 22:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | make sure you didn't short any contacts on sd-holder! |
| 22:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | best: use a electronicsa voltmeter to check there's no 0-ohms between any two of the contacts! |
| 22:31.59 | sicu | ok, will do, thanks for the warning |
| 22:34.08 | sicu | just reflashed yesterday to an old backup image i have of 2007.2, which doesn't have the software gps fix ... will be interesting to check if this does the trick =] |
| 22:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: yup! please report on your findings. Either on [hardware]-ml, or directly to me (joerg@openmoko.org). Many thanks! |
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| 22:36.35 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: i certainly will ... thanks for the great info =D |
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| 22:36.55 | sicu | i always love these kinds of workarounds *g* |
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| 22:37.20 | yabo | hello |
| 22:37.31 | yabo | i am looking for someone with a tad of GTK experience |
| 22:37.33 | yabo | anyone around? |
| 22:53.02 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: Cool. I actually have some sticky-backed copper foil tape i shall try that with. It's probably a bit thicker, hopefully there is clearance. |
| 22:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: no clearance, I had to bend the clips a little to make it lock |
| 22:54.27 | mwester | Hmmm... ok. I may need to use aluminum (kitchen) foil then. I'll take a look. |
| 22:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | maybe when you make it a little smaller, not reaching 8mm up to the tip of springs |
| 22:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | also I used my SD-handle in parallel, this could make things worse ;-) http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/ |
| 22:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | another layer of sticky tape |
| 22:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: U've read my comment on voltmeter some lines up here? |
| 22:57.34 | mwester | One could combine the two -- the foil could become the handle -- although that might make a short circuit rather easier. (Yes, I have a meter, and will test carefully!) |
| 22:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | nah, you can't. handle is one side (upper) of SDcard, capacitor hack is on body of holder |
| 22:58.56 | mwester | Ah, I didn't look closely enough. |
| 22:59.16 | mwester | But couldn't one put the foil on the top of the card? |
| 23:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: nope, it has to be close contact to the golden springs. It forms the capacitors with the thin doublesided sticky and the tinfoil |
| 23:02.20 | mwester | notes the lightbulb over his head illuminates, as he finally understands that the foil is not just a sheild |
| 23:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | nope, it's actually exactly the 10pF fix, just with unusual capacitors :-) |
| 23:04.20 | mwester | ;) And with some not-very-precise materials... :-D I wonder how tape works as a dielectric? |
| 23:04.35 | SpeedEvil | just fine |
| 23:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | better than air I'd guess |
| 23:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | actually you got a lot of PVC-type capacitors |
| 23:05.24 | SpeedEvil | with careful measurement you'd get to 30% or so. |
| 23:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | also PE |
| 23:05.34 | SpeedEvil | More likely -50+100% |
| 23:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | in relation to what? |
| 23:07.48 | SpeedEvil | the value you were shooting at. |
| 23:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | Might turn out the hacked "capacitors" are too *big*, then simply making the whole thing less high (up to spring tips) may mprove result |
| 23:08.22 | mwester | Hmmm... is the foil actually electrically connected to anything, then? looks like it should be completely insulated top and bottom, now that re-read the page and observe carefully. |
| 23:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: -50+100 is pretty good |
| 23:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | yup, MUST be islated |
| 23:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's two capacitors in series (or nearly that) |
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| 23:09.29 | mwester | Good, then I understand correctly :) |
| 23:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | one of the springs VDD, another one GND |
| 23:10.05 | mwester | and then some capacitance to each of the contacts, not just the clock. |
| 23:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:10.18 | mwester | BTW that would work on the GTA01 as well, I think. |
| 23:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | xup |
| 23:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:10.28 | mwester | different orientation, but the same connector. |
| 23:10.57 | mwester | Ok, I have to go find some double-sided tape then. back later! |
| 23:11.06 | SpeedEvil | hugs google. |
| 23:11.11 | SpeedEvil | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=permittivity+of+free+space*1m^2%2F1m&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 23:12.14 | SpeedEvil | permittivity of free space*.0005m^2/.0005m |
| 23:13.29 | SpeedEvil | 2cm*1cm of .5mm thick polythene would yield 10pf |
| 23:13.46 | SpeedEvil | If my numbers are right |
| 23:15.24 | slaxxin | very interesting |
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| 23:18.53 | lesouvage | I just flash fso kernel and root file system and the device is booting for the first time. I read I need to be patient but how patient should I be, what time is a normal time for a first fso boot? |
| 23:19.22 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.34 | slaxxin | no more than 2-3 minuits |
| 23:20.03 | SpeedEvil | And sinead o'connor. |
| 23:20.34 | lesouvage | slaxxin: thanks |
| 23:21.23 | lesouvage | slaxxin : I see all kind of disturbing messages passing by and that is going on for around 10 minutes now. |
| 23:21.36 | lesouvage | Emty flash at ........... |
| 23:21.41 | slaxxin | well thats not good |
| 23:21.55 | lesouvage | magic bitmask xxxxxx not found |
| 23:21.56 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.00 | lesouvage | etc. etc. |
| 23:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: we got much smaller area, but also much thinner dielectric |
| 23:22.48 | slaxxin | capacitors are going to power the world |
| 23:23.03 | lesouvage | slaxxin: no, I know I should do that but 99 out of 100 it goes well. I guess it is not a serious problem, just reboot and fash again. |
| 23:23.38 | slaxxin | only takes a minuit to check the sum |
| 23:24.13 | lesouvage | slaxxin: you are completely right, I shouldn't flash without checking the sum. |
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| 23:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | lesouvage: clear flash before flashing new image. I seen that too some day - cleared flash and reflashed image -> works |
| 23:24.49 | slaxxin | how do u clear flash?/ |
| 23:25.03 | lesouvage | slaxxin: that was my question ;-) |
| 23:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | dunno exactly, sth with uboot console |
| 23:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | see wiki, it's mentioned there somewhere |
| 23:25.39 | SpeedEvil | uboot console and nand erase rootfs |
| 23:25.43 | slaxxin | with a new image of course:) |
| 23:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: problem is when new image is smaller than old one, IIRC |
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| 23:27.00 | slaxxin | hasnt ever bothered me before an i put several smaller images on after fdom |
| 23:27.08 | lesouvage | When I donloaded the image for my freerunner it was a .tar.bz2 file. I bunzipt it and a .tar file remain. I assume that this is the image. |
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| 23:27.48 | lesouvage | Is this a right assumption? |
| 23:28.09 | timur | hey guys, i read about the gps issues and was wondering if those were resolved with the hardware solution... it still takes for me forever to get a first fix... anyone else has/had that issue? |
| 23:28.16 | slaxxin | .bin,,, .jffs2 is what i use |
| 23:28.45 | slaxxin | or .jffs2.summery |
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| 23:29.13 | slaxxin | but ima noob |
| 23:34.21 | slaxxin | T-Mobile's 3G coverage is admittedly spotty, but Brodman promised that it will expand substantially by the official Oct 22 G1 launch and should be virtually nationwide by November. |
| 23:34.26 | mwester_ | timur: first fix will always take a long time; it does on all gps devices that have nothing to assist them. So long first-fix times may persist even if you have the hardware and/or software fix. |
| 23:34.49 | slaxxin | thats a big promise |
| 23:35.14 | mwester_ | especially for a company that has very limited low-freq coverage to begin with! |
| 23:35.41 | mwester_ | (they roam onto AT&T in rural areas frequently) |
| 23:36.04 | timur | mwester, when you say a long time, would that be on the order of 6+ minutes |
| 23:36.04 | timur | ? |
| 23:36.13 | slaxxin | i tried to use a t-mobile phone(prepaid) an they didnt have any phone #"s for arkansas |
| 23:36.38 | mwester_ | timur: :) It could be far longer than that. My garmin can take longer than that on a cold start. |
| 23:36.46 | sicu | timur: for a first fix that is not unusual |
| 23:37.07 | slaxxin | mine was 3-7 minuites |
| 23:38.11 | mwester_ | has had 20+ minutes on several occasions. |
| 23:38.12 | lesouvage | timur: I just erased sdom from my freerunner but it was actually working close to perfect when outside. |
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| 23:39.24 | lesouvage | slaxxin: I'm afraid I flashed the wrong file. I'm now doing a jffs2.summery file |
| 23:40.01 | slaxxin | :) |
| 23:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | nokia N810 had ~6..20min. today I installed AGPS-beta, now it works in ~120sec |
| 23:40.20 | slaxxin | yay |
| 23:41.14 | slaxxin | anybody have a wotking gps maps on qt extended? |
| 23:41.32 | slaxxin | working* |
| 23:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | lesouvage: so you obviously are going to install a smaller image than SDOM now. -> erase flash! |
| 23:41.46 | slaxxin | ahhhhh |
| 23:42.09 | slaxxin | your good |
| 23:42.19 | timur | hmmm, i just tried it on another phone and got a fix in about 30-40 seconds. the freerunnner is still chugging along after 12 minutes |
| 23:42.23 | timur | with no fixes |
| 23:42.46 | slaxxin | autocenter? |
| 23:42.59 | mwester_ | Your other phone almost certainly has agps |
| 23:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | timur: so that "other phone" obviously has some sorta AGPS |
| 23:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | I tested with a blood new Samsung SGH-i900: it's as slow as 10min after a reset. |
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| 23:44.22 | lesouvage | What can I do with the other files on the repository of fso. |
| 23:44.32 | timur | hmm yes, it does :) |
| 23:44.51 | timur | ok, well, at 20+ min i'm giving up |
| 23:45.08 | slaxxin | did u reboot? |
| 23:45.18 | mwester_ | timur: do you have the FR sitting vertically? |
| 23:45.35 | timur | no... |
| 23:45.38 | timur | let's try it |
| 23:45.55 | mwester_ | (The gps antenna is oriented so that the phone should be in the normal "talking" position for best gps reception) |
| 23:46.16 | mwester_ | Somebody here suggested to use a coffee mug for that -- remove the coffee first, of course. |
| 23:47.01 | lesouvage | Like openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081005-om-gta01.rootfs.tar.gz What is the idea behind this files? |
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| 23:47.30 | timur | oh, damn, i left the coffee in |
| 23:47.32 | timur | doh! |
| 23:47.34 | timur | :P |
| 23:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | mwester_: the lack PU-foam from box is very handy! |
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| 23:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | Black |
| 23:47.55 | sicu | timur: you might get a quicker fix now ;p |
| 23:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | only if coffee is strong enough |
| 23:48.34 | sicu | yeh, strictly no milk or sugar |
| 23:48.42 | timur | doh, now you tell me? |
| 23:48.49 | mwester_ | although accuracy may be impaired if it is Irish Coffee. |
| 23:48.56 | sicu | haha |
| 23:49.02 | timur | you guys are not helping! i always put bailey's in my coffee |
| 23:49.09 | ott-- | on page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target it says, that debian supports voip. what program do they use? |
| 23:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | twinkle, linphone, kphone... |
| 23:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | gizmo |
| 23:50.01 | timur | ok, new plan. i'm gonna go eat and watch a football game... hopefully by the time i'm back this thing finds where it thinks it is |
| 23:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | timur: take out Ur SDcard! |
| 23:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | might help a lot ;-) |
| 23:52.05 | ott-- | DocScrutinizer: ok, i'll check them out |
| 23:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | twinkle is best of them ;-) |
| 23:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | www.twinklephone.com |
| 23:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | be carefull to have the matching lib versions for commoncpp, ccrtp, and zrtpcpp though! |
| 23:55.00 | slaxxin | turn on gps |
| 23:55.27 | lesouvage | slaxxin: I'm rebooting and it seems to go well. It is configuring all kind of things. |
| 23:55.43 | slaxxin | yea |
| 23:56.09 | slaxxin | did u buy a 2-4 gig sdcard ?? |
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| 23:56.50 | slaxxin | im ready for 2008.10 |
| 23:57.01 | slaxxin | an the updated fdom |
| 23:57.08 | lesouvage | ott: sjphone, zoiper |
| 23:57.14 | slaxxin | with fixes |
| 23:58.24 | sicu | anyone here ever used navit on FR? what distro? |
| 23:58.38 | slaxxin | so i can put qtopia on that 512 meg sdcard |
