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| 00:53.15 | Dave | raster! |
| 00:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | raster: moin! |
| 00:54.45 | Dave | Joerg :) |
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| 00:56.51 | raster | moon! |
| 00:58.34 | Dave | flash? |
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| 01:16.30 | Dave | Hi Ken :) |
| 01:19.56 | KenYoung | Hi Dave! |
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| 01:28.20 | raster | Sorry. I can't do that Dave. |
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| 02:27.12 | Tetracomm | Have any of you tried this on the Openmoko?: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile |
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| 02:54.30 | Dave | flash it like it's hot |
| 02:54.39 | techiem2-r | lol |
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| 03:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/2.5mm-hsjack-nonfitting/ |
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| 03:11.24 | slaxxin | The NeoPwn OS is based on a Linux 2.6.24 kernel and BackTrack Linux, a full Debian (ARMEL) GNU/Linux distribution released as a live CD. Resulting from the merger of two Knoppix-based distros: WHAX and the Auditor Security Collection |
| 03:12.35 | slaxxin | kkiillllller |
| 03:13.09 | techiem2-r | yeah, looks pretty nifty |
| 03:13.47 | techiem2-r | the base card/disc versions are a bit pricey though |
| 03:14.12 | techiem2-r | ok...all seem a bit pricey |
| 03:14.13 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 03:14.33 | techiem2-r | but still cool |
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| 04:34.45 | kobh | AAAAH |
| 04:34.47 | kobh | so |
| 04:34.48 | kobh | in linux |
| 04:34.52 | kobh | if i delete a file |
| 04:34.54 | kobh | rm file |
| 04:34.56 | kobh | can i undo that? |
| 04:34.57 | kobh | :-| |
| 04:35.00 | techiem2-r | erm.... |
| 04:35.01 | CM | Not easily |
| 04:35.38 | kobh | damnit |
| 04:35.50 | kobh | made a great gui app with gtk |
| 04:35.58 | kobh | and i deleted it from my phone |
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| 04:36.06 | kobh | but it turns out i deleted it from my pc somehow too |
| 04:36.13 | kobh | and now its all lost :( |
| 04:36.18 | CM | Ouch :( |
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| 04:36.32 | CM | No backup? Revision control on a remote server? |
| 04:36.47 | kobh | i dont know :| i dont think so? |
| 04:36.52 | kobh | debian on pc and debian on the phone |
| 04:36.56 | kobh | ext3 on pc |
| 04:37.36 | CM | Then I'd say it's lost |
| 04:37.43 | kobh | aww dang |
| 04:38.09 | CM | Never work on code without revision control, and preferably remote |
| 04:38.19 | CM | git, bzr, svn, whatever |
| 04:38.27 | techiem2-r | or at least a few backups |
| 04:38.29 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 04:39.26 | undrwater | is there a consensus that qtextended is annoying? or is it just me? |
| 04:40.02 | kobh | i quite like qtextended |
| 04:40.06 | kobh | except for the bugs |
| 04:40.13 | kobh | for example when you try to delete stuff |
| 04:40.16 | kobh | and get a yes/no prompt |
| 04:40.20 | kobh | that might lock |
| 04:40.27 | kobh | so you have to AUX and start over |
| 04:40.31 | kobh | deleting messages too |
| 04:40.35 | kobh | sometimes it wont work |
| 04:40.36 | kobh | hate that |
| 04:40.42 | kobh | but except for that, id say its just awesome |
| 04:40.48 | jOERG_zzZZzz | kobh: try "mc" (midnight commander). |
| 04:41.03 | undrwater | is browser working for you? |
| 04:41.21 | jOERG_zzZZzz | kobh: you'd have to unmount the volume and remount it as a ext2fs volume |
| 04:41.21 | kobh | yeah it is, undrwater |
| 04:41.26 | kobh | oh ok |
| 04:41.32 | kobh | meh cba... guess ill just start over |
| 04:41.36 | undrwater | did you do that update thingy? |
| 04:41.43 | undrwater | or are you using the straight image? |
| 04:41.51 | jOERG_zzZZzz | see mc "menu: cmd" |
| 04:41.51 | kobh | straight image i guess? |
| 04:42.34 | jOERG_zzZZzz | ?? |
| 04:42.45 | kobh | i dont understand |
| 04:43.00 | jOERG_zzZZzz | with mc you might be able to ndelete files |
| 04:43.05 | kobh | its ok |
| 04:43.09 | kobh | thanks though |
| 04:43.11 | kobh | ill start over |
| 04:43.18 | kobh | opportunity to polish it |
| 04:43.23 | jOERG_zzZZzz | ok |
| 04:43.31 | CM | kobh: That's the spirit! :) |
| 04:43.39 | kobh | i want the matchbox-keyboard on qtextended! |
| 04:43.48 | jOERG_zzZZzz | exactly, take oporunity to learn |
| 04:43.53 | kobh | the debian-keyboard is fantastic |
| 04:43.56 | jOERG_zzZZzz | opportunity |
| 04:44.02 | undrwater | kobh: one of the annoying things! :) |
| 04:44.04 | kobh | beats the shit out of everything qtextended comes with |
| 04:44.25 | kobh | im sure there is a way to make it happen, undrwater |
| 04:44.29 | undrwater | but i'm thinking raster |
| 04:45.12 | kobh | the only good thing about raster is that its black... :P |
| 04:46.59 | kobh | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#How_to_install_it.3F |
| 04:47.12 | kobh | that works on qtopia? |
| 04:47.23 | kobh | i guess you'd have to fetch the ipks manually |
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| 04:50.20 | kobh | im going to try.. |
| 04:50.50 | kobh | or not |
| 04:51.05 | kobh | perhaps it is possible to add the matchbox-keyboard to the list? |
| 04:51.11 | kobh | you know.. "Change input method" |
| 04:51.16 | kobh | add it there? |
| 04:51.20 | kobh | cries out to mwester |
| 04:53.53 | kobh | pms shall be sent |
| 04:54.09 | kobh | im off |
| 04:54.09 | kobh | bai |
| 04:54.11 | kobh | have fun |
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| 05:27.13 | rebelThor | any clue if pidgin is available on 2008.9 ? |
| 05:27.47 | undrwater | should be? |
| 05:27.50 | undrwater | was on .8 |
| 05:28.08 | rebelThor | i guess you have to add the armstrong repo? |
| 05:28.34 | undrwater | i think it's in one of the default ones...but need to add angstrom for msn or yahoo |
| 05:29.31 | rebelThor | i see, thanks. the thing is, i just reflashed 2008.9 because after adding angstrom and doing opkg update/upgrade it was kind of useless, it wouldn't start anything or connect to ssh :D |
| 05:30.13 | undrwater | apparently doing upgrade will kill anything |
| 05:30.38 | rebelThor | heh, so is there any way to update it though? |
| 05:30.40 | techiem2-r | one of the updates did change dropbear to only listen on usb0 and not eth0 |
| 05:30.51 | techiem2-r | in case you were trying to ssh to wifi |
| 05:30.59 | rebelThor | nope, i was trying to connect via usb |
| 05:31.11 | techiem2-r | odd |
| 05:31.19 | rebelThor | it removed my terminal too, so i couldn't see the errors |
| 05:31.35 | rebelThor | (openmoko-terminal2) |
| 05:31.51 | techiem2-r | yeah...odd that 2008.9 didn't have term installed by default |
| 05:32.06 | rebelThor | well, next time i'll install it on the SD, it's much faster then rewriting the whole damn thing on the base mem |
| 05:32.13 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 05:32.26 | techiem2-r | it's working pretty well for me at the moment |
| 05:32.42 | rebelThor | 2008.9 ? |
| 05:32.46 | techiem2-r | yeah |
| 05:32.55 | rebelThor | with angstrom and upgraded? |
| 05:33.01 | techiem2-r | hmm |
| 05:33.11 | techiem2-r | don't think I added the official angstrom repo |
| 05:33.20 | rebelThor | so you just use the base repos ? |
| 05:33.23 | techiem2-r | think I left it with the defaults |
| 05:33.24 | techiem2-r | yeah |
| 05:33.29 | rebelThor | oh, that works for me too |
| 05:33.32 | undrwater | why confuse the user experience with a terminal? |
| 05:33.36 | techiem2-r | I think a previous flash I had the angstrom distro too |
| 05:33.40 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 05:33.50 | techiem2-r | but yeah...that tended to install lots of updates |
| 05:33.50 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 05:34.00 | techiem2-r | that may or may not work... |
| 05:34.02 | rebelThor | undrwater: because i'm pretty sure everyone who's got the phone now can't live with out the term |
| 05:34.07 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 05:34.10 | rebelThor | just my oppinion :D |
| 05:34.14 | techiem2-r | that's my thinking too |
| 05:34.21 | techiem2-r | but I guess I can see the point of not having it too |
| 05:34.35 | techiem2-r | if it was on a consumer build |
| 05:34.39 | undrwater | eventually, yes...but right now, no |
| 05:34.42 | undrwater | right |
| 05:34.46 | undrwater | like iphone |
| 05:34.51 | techiem2-r | *shudder* |
| 05:34.55 | undrwater | tho iphone with terminal would be sweet |
| 05:35.01 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 05:35.05 | techiem2-r | assuming you could do anything with it |
| 05:35.33 | techiem2-r | ls : command not allowed by Apple |
| 05:35.35 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 05:35.39 | rebelThor | heh |
| 05:35.51 | undrwater | has anyone broken 3g iphone? |
| 05:35.59 | techiem2-r | iunno |
| 05:36.06 | techiem2-r | I've been pretty much ignoring em |
| 05:36.24 | techiem2-r | and laughing at how our local AT&T stores have to advertise it even though we don't have 3g here |
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| 05:39.02 | undrwater | heh |
| 05:39.04 | undrwater | where? |
| 05:39.15 | techiem2-r | and laughing at how I'm paying them $25/90 days for AT&T prepaid for my FR instead of $$$$$ for whatever plan you have to have for an iPHone |
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| 05:39.24 | techiem2-r | DuBois, PA |
| 05:39.25 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 05:40.06 | rebelThor | so what keyboard do you guys use? |
| 05:40.11 | rebelThor | i hate the QTopia one :( |
| 05:40.17 | techiem2-r | the full qwerty one |
| 05:40.19 | techiem2-r | whichever that is |
| 05:40.25 | undrwater | raster sometimes... |
| 05:40.29 | undrwater | predictive |
| 05:40.39 | rebelThor | the one that has the "terminal" option along numbers and letters ? |
| 05:40.39 | undrwater | but i haven't settled on an image yet... |
| 05:40.44 | techiem2-r | yeah |
| 05:40.46 | undrwater | i still have Moko ADD |
| 05:40.55 | techiem2-r | I can't stand the predictive one |
| 05:40.56 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 05:41.06 | techiem2-r | I always use the terminal option one |
| 05:41.23 | undrwater | predictive takes some up front investment...but becomes really good |
| 05:41.23 | rebelThor | i can't use the predictive either.. |
| 05:43.35 | techiem2-r | I could see using it for text editting or whatever |
| 05:43.49 | techiem2-r | but it drove me nuts trying to do anything in terminal |
| 05:43.50 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 07:56.34 | CM | Nice hardware: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3782477708.html |
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| 09:22.59 | TeNoVi | Hi! Is there anyone that can help me with a little problem with "RoadMap"? I get an error with the message that it can't access the gps source. |
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| 09:24.55 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: roadmap with which distribution? |
| 09:25.07 | TeNoVi | Qtopia latest |
| 09:25.25 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: that means trolltechs qtextended 4.4? |
| 09:25.29 | TeNoVi | yes |
| 09:25.37 | TeNoVi | that was what i meant |
| 09:25.50 | malik1972 | did you build it yourself? |
| 09:26.30 | TeNoVi | roadmap? I did what described in this guide: http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 |
| 09:27.13 | malik1972 | for qtopia 4.3.x i installed gpsd via opkg and i had to change the device and get a fix before starting roadmap |
| 09:27.52 | TeNoVi | hmm... |
| 09:28.11 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: are your sure that the version from onkelinx is for qtextended? does it start properly? |
| 09:29.03 | Shlee | I need QT 4.4.3 the current release isn't stable. |
| 09:29.24 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: i dont believe so as the author refers to /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/ there is no such folder in 4.4! |
| 09:29.27 | TeNoVi | I'm not shure if it's started properly, but it starts. But I start it from ssh and there I get an error. I think others have it running on qtextended |
| 09:29.52 | TeNoVi | no there isn't, but if you change the "nokia" for "trolltech" it works |
| 09:30.01 | malik1972 | okay, fine! |
| 09:31.03 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: maybe i wil test it, i avoided it for some reasons, for instance that it installs on partition 2 of the sd |
| 09:31.30 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: you may try to get a fix via the mapping demo |
| 09:31.54 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: and start roadmap afterwards |
| 09:31.54 | TeNoVi | malik1972: Hmm. Yes. I can get a fix with the mapping demo. |
| 09:32.05 | TeNoVi | malik1972: I'll try it now |
| 09:33.08 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: teh author should provide a package for it and some more details, the icons are also missing in his screenshots |
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| 09:38.52 | TeNoVi | Hmm. I didn't get the same error, but I can't get any map or menus with roadmap.. |
| 09:39.31 | malik1972 | okay, thats fine |
| 09:39.49 | malik1972 | what do you mean with no menues, nothing? |
| 09:40.21 | TeNoVi | malik1972: Thanks for the tips. I have come a bit further.. With no menues i mean that it just displays "RoadMap" in the top, and nothing more |
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| 09:40.37 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: thats bad |
| 09:41.04 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: maybe he does not find the correct directories |
| 09:42.11 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: i was confused about the structure of this compilation, it does not look like mine in 4.3.3 |
| 09:42.29 | TeNoVi | malik1972: Maybe... I think I'll just wait a bit more before I try to get i working. Now I'll have to get the phone working as stable as possible for tomorrow. ;) |
| 09:43.00 | TeNoVi | malik1972: Well, I don't know why I have such problems, but I'll leave that for now I think |
| 09:45.14 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: i dont think that you can solve your problems till tomorrow |
| 09:45.58 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: calypso, echo, keyboard, adressbook contacts etc etc |
| 09:47.13 | TeNoVi | malik1972: Yes. I didn't mean to fix all those problems. Just trying to make mine phone as stable as I can get it with the fixes that has come and so on. |
| 09:48.26 | malik1972 | TeNoVi: the best solution seems to flash back to 4.3.x and wait for the bug fixes |
| 09:49.12 | TeNoVi | malik1972: mhm. That might be the best. I think I'll do that |
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| 10:18.51 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 10:22.39 | goxboxlive | How big swap partition should i use? i have 4GB of ram. |
| 10:22.48 | goxboxlive | dobbel størrelse? Er ikke det litt mye? |
| 10:22.49 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 10:22.59 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 10:23.02 | goxboxlive | hva er lurt? |
| 10:23.05 | SpeedEvil | If you have 4G of swap, will you ever use it? |
| 10:23.20 | goxboxlive | nei jeg tror ikke det. |
| 10:23.20 | SpeedEvil | Consider how long 4G of fragmented data will take to load. |
| 10:23.43 | goxboxlive | ohh sorry, i thought i where in the Norwegian openmoko channel |
| 10:23.52 | bumbl | goxboxlive: depends: do you want to use suspend to disk? if yes: you need 4gb swap |
| 10:24.08 | goxboxlive | bumbl: no, its only a 24/7 linuxserver |
| 10:25.21 | bumbl | goxboxlive: depends on the memory usage but i have 2gb ram and i never touch my 2gb swap file (so it's rather useless)(it's a powerful laptop though) |
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| 10:39.53 | nielsle | Are there any stable releases of uboot, or should I always use the daily build? I don't want to run into trouble. |
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| 10:44.45 | dns53 | use a build that works and stick with it unless you need the new features |
| 10:45.24 | dns53 | there are 2 uboots there so you can always boot into the other one and reinstall it |
| 10:45.49 | viq | Did anyone play with a mail client on any of the distributions? |
| 10:46.57 | dns53 | not got it working with gmail but that could be just me, the qtopia sms program can read mail |
| 10:47.49 | viq | Did you get it working with anything else? |
| 10:48.18 | dns53 | i have not tried |
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| 11:32.47 | phaedo | is there anyone who could help me with a problem with setting up wifi on my freerunner? |
| 11:35.53 | bipak_ | phaedo: what kind of? |
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| 12:08.33 | caratorn | hello, is there no package for imlib2? |
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| 12:10.31 | ieatlint | imlib2 is a dependency of enlightenment, and seeing as the phone runs e, i would assume it's there |
| 12:15.17 | caratorn | I thought too, but can't find it anywhere |
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| 12:19.39 | ieatlint | perhaps it's simply rolled in with an e package... you actually check if the libs were on the phone? |
| 12:21.04 | mickey|tw|zzZzz | bitbake imlib2 |
| 12:23.52 | caratorn | ieatlint: the lib is not on the phone, |
| 12:27.09 | ieatlint | well, then as mickey said, you'll need to build it yourself i suppose |
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| 12:28.42 | ieatlint | or here is a repo that has packages from august which *may* work (or may just fuck things up) http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ (note that that page is 3.7mb of text) |
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| 12:31.21 | caratorn | I built it, but i was wondering if there was a reason for it not to be available through the feeds |
| 12:32.19 | ieatlint | i'm still surprised it's not, because i still think it's required by e |
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| 13:20.04 | raster | ieatlint: imlib2 is not a dep of e - never has been :) |
| 13:20.25 | raster | well not e17 |
| 13:22.35 | Dave | :D |
| 13:22.43 | Dave | Howdy raster |
| 13:22.44 | ieatlint | like you would know |
| 13:22.49 | ieatlint | hey raster, dave :) |
| 13:23.23 | raster | Dave: sorry. i can't do that dave. |
| 13:23.29 | raster | ieatlint: hehehe |
| 13:23.31 | raster | hmm |
| 13:23.44 | raster | so what on earth throws psplash onto this image... |
| 13:23.55 | Dave | -_- |
| 13:24.13 | Dave | psplash? |
| 13:24.16 | Dave | which image? |
| 13:24.19 | aliases123 | ~dave |
| 13:24.19 | apt | well, dave is mtnman |
| 13:24.53 | raster | treo650 |
| 13:24.56 | ieatlint | does om use psplash? |
| 13:25.07 | Dave | yes |
| 13:25.21 | ieatlint | and why does it suddenly sound bad when i pronounce psplash... |
| 13:25.33 | Dave | I know I needed exquisite to fix some psplash-write errors earlier |
| 13:25.35 | Dave | hah yeah |
| 13:26.08 | finger | Anyone running qtextended image with the echo problem fixed ? ;-) |
| 13:32.19 | raster | ieatlint: actually it doesn't. it ueses exquisite... |
| 13:32.20 | raster | :) |
| 13:33.13 | lindi- | finger: how did you fix it? |
| 13:33.17 | ieatlint | never heard of that one |
| 13:35.09 | Kensan | raster: hi there |
| 13:35.21 | raster | Kensan: boo |
| 13:35.42 | Kensan | raster: thanks for applying the patch and sorry for not replying. |
| 13:35.59 | Kensan | raster: I just rebuilt this morning and everything just worked (tm) |
| 13:36.22 | Kensan | raster: did the "UMAF" guys get in touch with you? |
| 13:36.23 | raster | no probs |
| 13:37.00 | raster | yes |
| 13:37.05 | raster | i saw their mails |
| 13:37.51 | Kensan | raster: I told them about elementary etc and that they should talk to you since their plans sounded very much like the things you are doing/swisscom wants to achieve. |
| 13:39.29 | Kensan | raster: I sent a mail to "devel" about speeding up boot time. It's so painfull that so many people have already done work but nobody makes it available! |
| 13:40.19 | raster | hmmmm |
| 13:40.20 | raster | yeah |
| 13:41.52 | Kensan | raster: this is supposed to be an "open" project but if nobody participates, especially the people from OM, it's no different from closed "in-house" devel projects :( |
| 13:42.20 | raster | true |
| 13:43.13 | Kensan | raster: anyway, I will try to dig a bit deeper into boottime optimization. I hope I'll find some time in the coming days/week(s). |
| 13:43.31 | raster | hmmm |
| 13:43.44 | raster | wonders why psplash krept on... |
| 13:43.48 | raster | crepty |
| 13:43.50 | raster | crept |
| 13:45.33 | Kensan | raster: how is your working coming along? I checked out elementary and saw that you were busy this week ;) |
| 13:45.38 | aliases123 | cough cough. why is pulseaudio still being used when it kills battery. |
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| 13:47.23 | bumbl | aliases123: who knows |
| 13:47.50 | raster | Kensan: yeah - been busy. it's coming along. hover widget done which is what i need for any form of popup/down box etc. |
| 13:47.57 | bumbl | raster: is it planned to release Bindings for elementery? for example over pyrex? |
| 13:48.15 | raster | bumbl: i intend not to lift a finger when it comes to pindings |
| 13:48.18 | raster | bindings |
| 13:48.26 | raster | 1. i majorly dislike pythong |
| 13:48.27 | bumbl | after you got the core things working of corse |
| 13:48.31 | Kensan | raster: cool! |
| 13:48.32 | raster | 2. doing bindings is a pain in the arse |
| 13:48.35 | bumbl | oh ok |
| 13:48.46 | raster | 3. all it does it create more work for me |
| 13:48.52 | Kensan | bumbl: writing a binding is very well suited for a "community project"... |
| 13:48.56 | raster | those who love pythong and want bindingsd are free to create them |
| 13:49.06 | raster | i will never objects to it |
| 13:49.15 | raster | i DO object when it becomes *my* problem to write them |
| 13:49.16 | raster | :) |
| 13:49.24 | bumbl | ah ok |
| 13:49.27 | finger | lindi-: I didn't fix it, I was just wondering if it was fixed and someone got it running |
| 13:49.29 | raster | the C api is so incredibly brain-dead simple |
| 13:49.37 | raster | bidnings buy you nothing in terms of 'r |
| 13:49.42 | raster | bidnings buy you nothing in terms of 'easier to use" |
| 13:49.45 | raster | really |
| 13:49.50 | raster | zippo |
| 13:51.34 | raster | just look at the eleemntary test app |
| 13:51.42 | raster | it doesnt get a lot simpler - in c |
| 13:52.07 | raster | and it barely gets simpler in other langauges (without just losing features or combinding defaults into wrapper calls which c can do anyway) |
| 13:52.33 | Kensan | raster: harald mentioned in one of his postings that "flash + hw ecc" was on his todo list :) |
| 13:52.59 | raster | cool |
| 13:53.01 | raster | that'd help |
| 13:53.05 | raster | ... i hope! |
| 13:53.17 | raster | but... i need to get this treo working |
| 13:53.29 | Kensan | raster: yeah. He wanted to take a look at why the performance gains by holger's patches were not in the expected ball park. |
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| 13:53.49 | raster | right now i end up with splash and exquisite fighting over the fb (well exquisite wins as it takes a second logner to start thus last in - it flips to its vt and rules the world) |
| 13:53.51 | Kensan | raster: so you are testing elementary on multiple devices? |
| 13:54.03 | raster | oh course |
| 13:54.06 | raster | of course |
| 13:54.12 | Kensan | raster: aweseom |
| 13:54.13 | Kensan | e |
| 13:54.15 | Kensan | eh |
| 13:54.19 | Kensan | awesome |
| 13:54.21 | raster | and now i'm trying to get my illume image working on my treo650 |
| 13:54.27 | raster | as that covers "qvga land" |
| 13:54.30 | raster | well not quite qvga |
| 13:54.32 | raster | 320x320 |
| 13:54.35 | raster | i know i theory it works |
| 13:54.39 | mwester | What image are you using on the treo to start with, Mr. raster? |
| 13:54.52 | raster | in qvga (tested on desktop with setup pretending...) |
| 13:55.05 | raster | mwester: opie worked |
| 13:55.17 | raster | now i'm trynig my own |
| 13:55.19 | Kensan | mwester: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ |
| 13:55.19 | mwester | are you building it, or using the pre-built image? |
| 13:55.26 | raster | and i want to know where the hell psplash got sucked in from |
| 13:55.34 | mwester | kill psplash. |
| 13:55.58 | raster | built my own |
| 13:56.05 | raster | X starts |
| 13:56.08 | raster | then quite |
| 13:56.10 | raster | then doesnt come back |
| 13:56.16 | Kensan | raster: I think bitbake can produce dependency graphs with dotty |
| 13:56.22 | raster | problem is.. its nigh imporrble to debug/check |
| 13:56.33 | raster | as i dont seem to have a serial console nor usbnet available |
| 13:56.40 | raster | Kensan: hmmmm.... |
| 13:56.44 | raster | how? |
| 13:56.50 | Kensan | raster: let me see |
| 13:57.18 | Kensan | raster: bitbake -g |
| 13:57.18 | raster | -g |
| 13:57.28 | Kensan | raster: first post! |
| 13:57.29 | Kensan | ;) |
| 13:57.32 | ieatlint | yay for the dislike for python :) |
| 13:57.37 | raster | hit the g spot |
| 13:57.53 | raster | mwester: any tips and tricks on treo650 + oe? |
| 13:57.59 | mwester | heh - I needed Treo parts to fix up my real Treo for my everyday phone -- I bought a cheapo one advertised for "parts only" on eBay -- after cleaning it up, apart from the keyboard, it looks like it works perfectly. :D |
| 13:58.00 | raster | like getting some decent debugging going? |
| 13:58.11 | ieatlint | too many people think python, java and c# will make c obsolete |
| 13:58.13 | mwester | raster: That's what I have to get started with |
| 13:58.20 | mwester | figure out to build an image in OE |
| 13:58.27 | raster | aaaah |
| 13:58.30 | raster | i got that done |
| 13:58.32 | raster | it boots |
| 13:58.37 | raster | exquisite (boot splash) works |
| 13:58.42 | raster | x comes up and calibrates first try |
| 13:58.49 | raster | but goes away |
| 13:58.58 | raster | and impossible to debug ands the keymap only does space + 0 + a-z && A-Z |
| 13:59.05 | raster | no -, / , =. etc. |
| 13:59.07 | raster | in console |
| 13:59.08 | mwester | ieatlint: it's a dream. People want to find a way to distance themselves from the low-level necessities. |
| 13:59.13 | raster | thus.. i'm longing for usbent |
| 13:59.16 | raster | or serial console |
| 13:59.26 | mwester | Serial console --yep. |
| 13:59.32 | raster | if someone knows how to make that work on the treo650./.. |
| 13:59.38 | raster | oh... u do? |
| 13:59.54 | mwester | No I don't but that's what I was going to look for -- mods to get a serial console. |
| 14:00.04 | raster | aaaah! |
| 14:00.55 | mwester | here's a bit of creativity though -- someone hacked up the console driver for the NSLU2 so that it modulates the STATUS led to send the console output.... |
| 14:01.16 | raster | EEEK! |
| 14:01.28 | mwester | One would need a rcvr, and it would be slow, but it wouldn't require soldering or hardware mods. |
| 14:02.34 | raster | hmm |
| 14:02.38 | Dave | sounds good :P |
| 14:02.39 | raster | let me try this.. without hw mods |
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| 14:02.55 | Kensan | mwester: that sounds as cumbersome as the ipod piezo-hack... |
| 14:03.04 | mwester | :D |
| 14:03.20 | mwester | But top marks for creativity. |
| 14:03.31 | Dave | hehe |
| 14:03.31 | Kensan | mwester: no doubt about that ;) |
| 14:03.43 | Dave | mwester, does it require a tinfoil hat? :) |
| 14:04.13 | raster | hmm |
| 14:04.27 | raster | how do i get cocoboot to save the boot commandline so i dont keep having to say "mem-32M" |
| 14:04.29 | raster | err |
| 14:04.32 | raster | mem=32M |
| 14:04.33 | raster | ? |
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| 14:04.37 | Kensan | mwester: http://shadowmite.com/650serial.html |
| 14:06.26 | raster | hmm |
| 14:06.30 | raster | soldering |
| 14:06.31 | raster | bugger |
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| 14:06.45 | Kensan | raster: http://www.pcables.com/ |
| 14:06.46 | Kensan | ;) |
| 14:07.20 | Kensan | raster: erm this one rather: http://www.pcables.com/cat1.html |
| 14:07.22 | raster | damn |
| 14:07.28 | raster | am i missing something? |
| 14:07.35 | raster | http://old.hackndev.com/node/706?from=20&comments_per_page=10 |
| 14:07.44 | raster | according to that... enable usb in cocoboto |
| 14:07.47 | mwester | Oh good grief -- it's just a standard 3.3v serial on the external connector??! Wow, that's easy! (I have a number of those cables for the NSLU2 already made -- I'll just mod one into an spare Treo sync cable) |
| 14:07.48 | raster | and i should get something |
| 14:07.50 | raster | i get a usb device |
| 14:08.01 | raster | Bus 002 Device 015: ID 0830:0061 Palm, Inc. |
| 14:08.06 | raster | but no cdd_ethernet |
| 14:08.09 | raster | or serial etc. etc. |
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| 14:10.04 | raster | ooh |
| 14:10.08 | raster | cdc_subset |
| 14:10.29 | raster | WOOT! |
| 14:10.33 | raster | i had to uplug and plug back in |
| 14:10.39 | raster | WOOTS! |
| 14:10.46 | raster | you are so ownzed |
| 14:11.30 | mwester | That's a network, though -- not a serial console? |
| 14:11.33 | Dave | man, you guys have turned in to such treo whores |
| 14:12.00 | raster | mwester: goot enough for me man |
| 14:12.04 | raster | i have console! |
| 14:12.12 | Dave | \o/ |
| 14:12.48 | raster | hmm |
| 14:12.50 | raster | e dies on init |
| 14:13.00 | Dave | rut roh |
| 14:13.36 | Kensan | welcomes our new serial Treo overlords |
| 14:14.13 | raster | ssh over usb ethernet gadget to you! |
| 14:14.17 | raster | serial be damned |
| 14:14.21 | raster | got the better option |
| 14:14.22 | raster | :) |
| 14:14.28 | raster | hmmm |
| 14:14.35 | raster | this fs image needs to be bigger |
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| 14:15.02 | Dave | We meet again, Doctor Rabbit. |
| 14:16.53 | raster | hmm |
| 14:16.55 | raster | ok |
| 14:17.03 | raster | i may have found something slower than the freerunner... |
| 14:17.12 | Dave | Hahahahahaha |
| 14:17.19 | Dave | I doubt that's even possible |
| 14:17.27 | raster | yup |
| 14:17.29 | raster | it's happened |
| 14:17.32 | Dave | omg |
| 14:17.37 | raster | trying to make a 50mb swap file.. on sd |
| 14:17.40 | raster | still waiting... |
| 14:17.41 | Dave | I'm afraid to ask |
| 14:17.50 | raster | mmcqd is... eating mah cpuz |
| 14:17.51 | leinir | Nokia 3210 ;) |
| 14:17.53 | Dave | haha |
| 14:18.20 | raster | ey is in yor cpuz eatings dems |
| 14:18.26 | Dave | D: |
| 14:18.29 | Dave | ph33rs |
| 14:18.53 | raster | at least its smart enough to do 311mhz |
| 14:19.10 | Dave | hah |
| 14:19.52 | Dave | Raster, let me know when it's done... |
| 14:20.02 | raster | hmmm |
| 14:20.10 | raster | ecore_file_init fails.. again |
| 14:21.00 | raster | damn you e! |
| 14:21.03 | raster | stop checking returns! |
| 14:21.12 | Dave | haha |
| 14:21.14 | Dave | That's what you get! |
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| 14:22.49 | balrog-kun | whoever invented error handling.. |
| 14:22.56 | raster | damnit! |
| 14:23.00 | raster | damn you error handling |
| 14:23.02 | raster | damn you! |
| 14:23.17 | balrog-kun | we would never have errors otherwise |
| 14:24.06 | raster | that;'s it |
| 14:24.14 | raster | away with you evil error handling! |
| 14:24.16 | raster | BEGONE! |
| 14:25.33 | Kensan | raster: pandora's seem to be shipping in a couple of weeks. |
| 14:26.02 | raster | kanawaiting mine... |
| 14:26.11 | raster | in fact... when exactly? |
| 14:26.30 | Kensan | raster: don't know but they seem to ship them as soon as they come off the assembly and they passed their tests. |
| 14:26.40 | Kensan | raster: so if you ordered early... |
| 14:26.49 | raster | hmm |
| 14:26.51 | raster | ok |
| 14:26.54 | raster | how do i view a dot file? |
| 14:26.59 | Kensan | raster: seems like pre-November for the really early people. |
| 14:27.13 | balrog-kun | .dot? |
| 14:27.58 | raster | yeah |
| 14:28.02 | raster | that dot |
| 14:28.09 | raster | mys be some graphviz incantation |
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| 14:28.15 | balrog-kun | yup |
| 14:28.16 | balrog-kun | dot file.dot -Tpng or something like that |
| 14:28.32 | Kensan | raster: tried gimp? |
| 14:29.30 | raster | balrog-kun: yups. tnx |
| 14:31.14 | raster | hmm |
| 14:31.18 | raster | dot is taking a while... |
| 14:31.34 | raster | a... long while |
| 14:31.54 | Dave | balrogkuns |
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| 14:32.35 | Kensan | raster: you need a faster workstation ;) |
| 14:32.49 | balrog-kun | you must have made too many dots and arrows |
| 14:32.53 | raster | Kensan: 2x3ghz not enough? |
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| 14:33.13 | Kensan | raster: how about 4x? |
| 14:33.14 | Kensan | ;) |
| 14:33.22 | Kensan | raster: there's always a bigger fish :) |
| 14:33.26 | raster | well.. it is onyl using 1 of my cores |
| 14:33.35 | raster | as its.. not multithreaded |
| 14:33.56 | Kensan | raster: that would not keep me from buying a shiny new machine *haha* |
| 14:34.06 | raster | hehehe |
| 14:34.10 | raster | well. it is fairly new |
| 14:34.14 | raster | u wont get a lot faster atm |
| 14:34.22 | raster | just more cores |
| 14:34.29 | Kensan | raster: indeed. |
| 14:34.47 | Dave | MORE CORES!! |
| 14:34.55 | Tanuva | melt em all! |
| 14:35.01 | Dave | INTO ONE!? |
| 14:35.05 | raster | must be the insant .dot file that oe generates... |
| 14:35.08 | mwester | was pricing out a 2 x quad-core upgrade the other day, and discovered that one can buy a very good used car for that sort cash. |
| 14:35.15 | aliases123 | one core to rule them all. |
| 14:35.17 | Tanuva | Dave: sure :D |
| 14:35.25 | Dave | mwester :) |
| 14:35.29 | Tanuva | Dave: 1121314551 PHz! |
| 14:35.34 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:35.39 | Dave | MEGACORE, ACTIVATE! |
| 14:35.51 | aliases123 | go capitalmegacoreplanet. |
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| 14:39.02 | Kensan | mwester: better buy hardware than leave the money on the bank ... ;) |
| 14:43.12 | mwester | Kensan: I tried that argument with the wife. :-D It did not go well.... |
| 14:43.31 | Kensan | mwester: ahhh... the wife... |
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| 14:55.16 | XorA | mwester: buy shiny hardware then |
| 14:55.29 | raster | women come and go |
| 14:55.33 | raster | hardware is forwver |
| 14:55.34 | raster | :) |
| 14:55.50 | XorA | right on mr raster :-) |
| 14:57.23 | raster | :) |
| 14:57.28 | raster | priorities... priorities |
| 14:57.29 | raster | :) |
| 14:57.52 | raster | waits for his sd card to finish syncing his new ext2 img... |
| 14:57.54 | XorA | is a little bitter about women this week :-D |
| 14:58.06 | raster | XorA: really? share your pain |
| 14:58.14 | XorA | got dumped |
| 14:58.14 | mwester | uh-oh |
| 14:58.23 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 14:58.42 | nyu | hardware doesn't get pregnant |
| 14:58.42 | raster | XorA: . 3 words: more fish sea |
| 14:58.57 | XorA | raster: yes, and more alcohol and night clubs :-D |
| 14:59.31 | SpeedEvil | XorA: easy solutions - http://www.xkcd.com/486/ |
| 14:59.41 | sicu | i dunno about that, i have tricore, my core just gave birth to twins |
| 14:59.52 | rhkfin | hey, I installed 2008.x and updated and stuff and now I can't find opkg or ipkg: I just get a message '-s: opkg: not found' for opkg update. What's wrong? |
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| 15:00.59 | SpeedEvil | Okaaay.... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/The-Pink-Toolkit-End-Your-DIY-Nightmares_W0QQitemZ200260427786QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200260427786&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A7|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
| 15:01.00 | Dave | heh |
| 15:01.06 | raster | XorA: just think. it's an upgrade opportunity |
| 15:01.19 | raster | get more bang for your buck |
| 15:01.28 | Dave | raster - holy shit, how slow IS that thing? |
| 15:01.33 | Dave | raster - haha, literally ;p |
| 15:01.36 | Dave | *bang* |
| 15:01.45 | XorA | :-D |
| 15:01.51 | raster | Dave: hahaha |
| 15:02.04 | raster | damning |
| 15:02.11 | raster | psplahs is STILLé¨å°gãcæ¯dããwtf |
| 15:02.13 | raster | grrr |
| 15:02.14 | Dave | ;) |
| 15:02.16 | Dave | haha |
| 15:02.25 | raster | so annoying i started typing gibberish |
| 15:02.33 | raster | why does psplash get sucked on |
| 15:02.34 | raster | damnit |
| 15:02.42 | Dave | sucked on? fucked up? |
| 15:02.48 | raster | somethnig to do with palmt650 machine conf |
| 15:02.52 | Dave | :( |
| 15:02.58 | phaedo | hey, anyone able to help with freerunner wifi problem ? |
| 15:02.58 | raster | as for gta02 it doesnt get sucked |
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| 15:03.11 | Dave | right |
| 15:03.14 | Dave | :D |
| 15:03.34 | raster | WOOT! |
| 15:03.42 | raster | no error handling |
| 15:03.44 | raster | no worries |
| 15:03.48 | raster | e starteth |
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| 15:07.04 | raster | XorA: need some halp 'ere |
| 15:07.08 | raster | oooh wow |
| 15:07.12 | raster | still got 13m free ram |
| 15:07.21 | raster | on a 32m machine |
| 15:07.26 | raster | and runing e + gtk terminal |
| 15:07.57 | XorA | raster: hope its not complex stuff, Im still quiet hung over from last night :-) |
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| 15:08.43 | raster | oooh |
| 15:08.53 | raster | hmm |
| 15:08.54 | raster | bollocks |
| 15:08.58 | raster | backlight is off... and stays off |
| 15:09.00 | raster | GAAH |
| 15:10.11 | Kensan | raster: error-handling is for wimps, real men crash their machines! *hehe* |
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| 15:11.05 | phaedo | i just got a neo freerunner, and i am having trouble getting the wifi to work , can anyone help ? |
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| 15:12.03 | lindi- | phaedo: iwconfig eth0 essid $essid; ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient -d eth0 |
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| 15:13.13 | phaedo | i am running OM2008.9 so it has the GUI and it finds and recognizes my router, but when i enter the WEP key, it says unable to connect |
| 15:13.44 | phaedo | will the command line stuff be more effective than the gui ? |
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| 15:15.38 | raster | hmm |
| 15:15.39 | raster | ok |
| 15:15.51 | Xaseron | hi |
| 15:15.53 | raster | i definitely have found something slower than the freerunenr when it coems to disk io |
| 15:15.58 | raster | i'm amazed |
| 15:15.59 | raster | hats off |
| 15:17.08 | mwester | Sure it's not your SD card? |
| 15:17.26 | raster | could be... |
| 15:17.35 | raster | but it seems to behave better when used from my desktop |
| 15:17.35 | mwester | (Of course, could just be paranoidly-slow driver settings in the kernel |
| 15:17.37 | mwester | ) |
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| 15:18.04 | Xaseron | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin <--- should flash the newest uboot image, but if i restart the device the older version is still there |
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| 15:21.25 | raster | XorA: task-base is sucking in psplash |
| 15:21.31 | raster | but psplash isnt mentione in taks-base.bb |
| 15:21.37 | raster | what could be the culprit? |
| 15:22.57 | mwester | raster: in the deploy/..../images dir, you should have a "testlab" subdir -- that'll have the dependency stuff in various .dot files. |
| 15:23.02 | mwester | That'll tell you... |
| 15:23.35 | mwester | (assuming your config pulls in the "testlab" stuff) |
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| 15:24.08 | mwester | Otherwise "bitbake -g <whatever>-image" will dump the dependency graph to depends.dot |
| 15:24.19 | raster | mwester: task-base |
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| 15:24.20 | raster | BUT |
| 15:24.27 | raster | its not mentioned in task-base at all |
| 15:24.38 | raster | grep for it |
| 15:24.39 | raster | :) |
| 15:25.02 | mwester | What image/machine are you building? |
| 15:25.23 | raster | palmt650 |
| 15:25.47 | raster | i suspect its something in palm.inc's MACHINE_FEATURES |
| 15:25.59 | raster | that is included in palmt650.conf |
| 15:26.01 | mwester | hmm... :D too obvious -- I had no idea OE had such specific support for the 650. Cool. |
| 15:26.07 | raster | as that differes from gta02/02.conf |
| 15:26.18 | raster | like it has touschscreen and screen added |
| 15:26.29 | raster | but how on earth do they suck in psplash? |
| 15:26.42 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.45 | raster | i susp[ect does it |
| 15:26.59 | raster | but.. nothnig i can find lists psplash somewhere down the line that i have found... |
| 15:27.49 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.50 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.51 | raster | on the target |
| 15:28.39 | raster | but task-distro-base |
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| 15:29.42 | raster | would involve distro .inc/conf files |
| 15:29.54 | mwester | check conf/angstrom-2008.1.conf |
| 15:29.56 | raster | of whihc only anstrom and console-base want psplash |
| 15:30.12 | mwester | Most stuff is based on angstrom these days. |
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| 15:30.52 | Dave | westers |
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| 15:31.11 | raster | not om |
| 15:31.20 | XorA | om is Angstrom in disguise |
| 15:31.30 | Dave | It's a trap! |
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| 15:31.36 | raster | ooh wait |
| 15:32.10 | raster | ./include/angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc |
| 15:32.13 | raster | aha! |
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| 15:32.24 | raster | if u have a screen... |
| 15:32.24 | Dave | haha |
| 15:32.37 | raster | which "gta02/01" dont claim to have as a feature |
| 15:32.37 | raster | :) |
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| 15:33.20 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 15:35.43 | igor321 | raster: http://www.vergenet.net/~raster/files/rage_04.jpg , what is this? it looks purdy :) |
| 15:37.06 | raster | it's rage |
| 15:37.13 | raster | my media/video center app |
| 15:37.16 | Dave | Yeah, rastter's got a lot of that :p |
| 15:37.27 | raster | (i use it under my tv...) |
| 15:37.27 | Dave | yeah I was going to say, it just looks like any old dvr/vod |
| 15:37.59 | igor321 | well it's _much_ prettier than myth |
| 15:38.32 | raster | thats the old rage |
| 15:38.46 | raster | i improved it a bit |
| 15:38.52 | raster | its available in svn |
| 15:38.54 | raster | e svn |
| 15:38.57 | raster | try it out |
| 15:39.19 | igor321 | on it |
| 15:39.24 | raster | u'll need efl |
| 15:39.26 | raster | and emotion |
| 15:39.34 | Dave | pass |
| 15:39.35 | raster | - xine module built in |
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| 15:40.22 | raster | other than that |
| 15:40.26 | raster | just read the READMe |
| 15:40.36 | raster | (tells u how to set up the config so it knows where to scan for media files) |
| 15:40.42 | raster | and then the keys used to drive it |
| 15:40.47 | lindi- | nice, got my usb headset work |
| 15:40.49 | raster | (its intended for use by a remote control) |
| 15:41.02 | Dave | lindi \o/ |
| 15:41.55 | Dave | I wonder if I could install other raster code on more of my household devices |
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| 15:44.37 | igor321 | i'm using mythtv for my tv viewing and i guess it's okay, only terribly ugly |
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| 15:45.06 | Dave | ncurses ftw? |
| 15:45.36 | igor321 | http://www.vergenet.net/~raster/files/rage2.avi |
| 15:45.51 | igor321 | raster: all videos playing at once? how does that work? |
| 15:46.06 | igor321 | i mean the thumbnails |
| 15:46.07 | raster | igor321: magic |
| 15:46.09 | raster | :) |
| 15:46.57 | Dave | it's not very difficult. |
| 15:47.12 | Dave | Especially when captain raster's at the helm! |
| 15:47.29 | Dave | he probably just diverts power from the dilithium matrix or something... |
| 15:47.53 | igor321 | i don't wanna sound like i'm kissin' his ass, but his work does seem _really_ underrated |
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| 15:48.24 | Dave | nah, it's blatantly awesome |
| 15:48.30 | Dave | but yeah |
| 15:48.32 | Dave | in a subtle sense |
| 15:48.51 | Dave | like who ELSE would give a shit about some tiny keyboard app on a shitty embedded device? |
| 15:48.57 | Dave | :D |
| 15:49.35 | Dave | So then, he's like the Kurt Russel of mobile computing |
| 15:49.50 | raster | bah |
| 15:49.53 | raster | it's just tricks |
| 15:50.06 | raster | i learnt the odd magic trick here or there in my time |
| 15:50.07 | raster | :) |
| 15:50.12 | lindi- | now i should build a cable where i can have FR in host mode and still be able to charge it |
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| 15:51.00 | Dave | Lindi, it's easy and fun! |
| 15:51.13 | Dave | Raster, if only we knew what time you come from! :D |
| 15:51.18 | igor321 | i wanna do that for the beagleboard, nicknamed it "mixed mode usb" :) |
| 15:51.21 | lindi- | Dave: you have done it? |
| 15:51.24 | Dave | yep |
| 15:51.34 | Dave | it was horrible but worked |
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| 15:51.38 | Dave | :) |
| 15:51.49 | Dave | I just went by joerg's specs on the ml |
| 15:52.08 | Dave | then we ordered something, after I showed them it was a good idea |
| 15:52.12 | Dave | (here, that is) |
| 15:52.58 | raster | ok |
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| 15:53.05 | raster | 1mb/sec read from sd |
| 15:53.08 | Dave | slaps mwester around a bit with a large rubber calypso |
| 15:53.15 | Dave | raster, hot damn |
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| 15:53.47 | raster | i think writes are even worse... |
| 15:54.06 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage3.ogg |
| 15:54.07 | raster | btw |
| 15:54.12 | raster | for a "more recent" rage |
| 15:54.17 | raster | ie what the gui looks like these days |
| 15:54.27 | Dave | eww ogg |
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| 15:56.18 | Tetracomm | Ogg is better than the other formats. |
| 15:57.07 | lindi- | Dave: got any photos? ;) |
| 15:57.18 | igor321 | raster: is the tv thing implemented? |
| 15:57.26 | raster | igor321: for me - yes |
| 15:57.31 | raster | it just executes tvtime |
| 15:57.32 | raster | :) |
| 15:57.34 | lindi- | Tetracomm: ogg decoding can be quite resource intensive though since we have no hardware support for it |
| 15:57.38 | raster | no integration tho |
| 15:57.47 | igor321 | i see :) |
| 15:57.49 | Tetracomm | Oh. |
| 15:57.50 | XorA | fixed point ogg is no worse than mp3 |
| 15:57.53 | raster | havent done any v4l module for emotion to do tv/tuner in |
| 15:57.57 | lindi- | XorA: with tremor? |
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| 15:58.01 | XorA | lindi-: yes |
| 15:58.05 | lindi- | XorA: any idea if mplayer uses it? |
| 15:58.10 | XorA | lindi-: mplayer in OE does |
| 15:58.24 | XorA | lindi-: I purposely removed the floating point decoder in OE |
| 15:58.28 | raster | lindi-: yes. WAV decoding does use less cpu resources :) |
| 15:58.29 | raster | :) |
| 15:58.48 | lindi- | XorA: ok, maybe we could need that in debian too |
| 15:58.49 | XorA | OE == OM in this case |
| 15:59.01 | lindi- | XorA: along with the mpeg-4 hardware acceleration patch |
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| 15:59.31 | raster | ok |
| 15:59.35 | raster | .. |
| 15:59.38 | XorA | lindi-: there is an arm optimised git tree for mplayer |
| 15:59.48 | raster | writes make reads look good |
| 15:59.52 | XorA | lindi-: just need to "fix" debian control files to build from that |
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| 16:00.10 | XorA | or was that ffmpeg, either way good to chase |
| 16:00.21 | raster | 120kb/sec writes... |
| 16:00.29 | raster | 1mb/sec reads |
| 16:00.30 | lindi- | XorA: i hope there are no license issues |
| 16:00.31 | raster | god damn |
| 16:00.51 | XorA | lindi-: shouldnt be, ffmpeg is in debian |
| 16:01.12 | lindi- | 'libvorbisidec-dev - Integer-only Ogg Vorbis decoder, AKA "tremor" (Development Files)' |
| 16:01.16 | lindi- | and apparently tremor is too |
| 16:01.34 | lindi- | let's see reverse dependencies |
| 16:01.52 | XorA | maybe mplayer is already linked, you might just need -ac ivorbis to make it use integer decode |
| 16:01.55 | lindi- | none |
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| 16:01.57 | lindi- | nothing uses it |
| 16:02.19 | XorA | mplayer has tremor built in, they kept changing the API and mplayer guys got fedup of it |
| 16:02.57 | raster | i wonder if an ext2 image on a vfat sd card might be the killer... :) |
| 16:03.09 | Dave | haha |
| 16:03.12 | raster | XorA: i can relate to that |
| 16:03.20 | Dave | raster, sometimes you're just plain evil :P |
| 16:03.35 | raster | Dave: only sometimes? |
| 16:03.37 | raster | :) |
| 16:03.40 | Dave | ;) |
| 16:03.46 | Dave | hehe |
| 16:03.57 | Dave | well, the other times you're just a maniacal genious :) |
| 16:04.02 | Dave | genius |
| 16:04.49 | lindi- | XorA: mpd Build-Depends libvorbisidec-dev [arm armel armeb] |
| 16:05.35 | lindi- | XorA: i'm afraid the security team greatly dislikes embedded copies of libraries |
| 16:06.07 | Dave | that's surely a paddlin' :p |
| 16:06.14 | XorA | lindi-: that is also a good opinion, but some libraries never bloody release versions :-) |
| 16:06.35 | lindi- | it might be better if they execute arbitrary code :) |
| 16:06.53 | Dave | oh great |
| 16:07.01 | Dave | Don't give them any ideas now, lindi :) |
| 16:07.22 | XorA | needs to find more liquid that is not alcohol |
| 16:08.04 | Dave | aww |
| 16:08.23 | Dave | poor xora |
| 16:10.45 | sicu | lindi-: http://groups.google.com/group/gta0x/attach/261b3e88630c280e/y-cable.png?hl=en&part=2&view=1 |
| 16:10.47 | XorA | Im fairly sure bottle of wine are not supposed to be drunk like pints |
| 16:11.50 | lindi- | sicu: You cannot view the group's content or participate in the group because you are not currently a member. |
| 16:12.17 | lindi- | sicu: is that really only available through google? |
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| 16:13.40 | fale__ | witch is the parameter for dfu-util to declare witch one of the connected object have to be used? |
| 16:13.40 | sicu | hmmm, didn't know that :/ |
| 16:16.40 | mpr | no, witch isn't the parameter to declare witch |
| 16:18.25 | Dave | sicu :o |
| 16:18.44 | sicu | :O |
| 16:19.19 | Dave | :D |
| 16:23.45 | Isajha | i get for command "opkg-target install libmokoui2-dev" the following output "An error ocurred, return value: -1207155328." |
| 16:24.18 | Isajha | opkg version 0.1.5 |
| 16:24.18 | Dave | ieatlint: â |
| 16:25.04 | ieatlint | as i copy 800gb over a 100mbit link, i'm reminded of just how slow 100mbit is :( |
| 16:25.06 | ieatlint | hey dave |
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| 16:32.17 | Dave | Lint, perhaps you should upgrade ;) |
| 16:33.18 | Dave | Also, where's my libâ bitch? :p |
| 16:33.34 | Dave | or do I have to start paying you too now? :P |
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| 16:37.32 | ieatlint | hah |
| 16:37.38 | ieatlint | it wouldn't hurt |
| 16:37.59 | ieatlint | i've got a lot of work to do on it... the base is in place, a test ui has been made... but it's sitting stagnant |
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| 16:38.51 | ieatlint | part of the problem is that i have a couple people who keep saying they're going to help, and never seem to followthrough, and i'm at a stage where i need to seek input from some people on how best to rework the api |
| 16:39.42 | ieatlint | and the 100mbit is me upgrading :P |
| 16:40.08 | ieatlint | i'm moving things onto a NAS and a new server, both on a 1gbit |
| 16:40.54 | Dave | yeah |
| 16:40.56 | Dave | I noticed -_- |
| 16:41.18 | Dave | ieatlint, oh, heh, nice |
| 16:41.21 | Dave | gogo gadget upgrades |
| 16:42.13 | ieatlint | anyway, seeking employment is also now a higher priority, heh |
| 16:42.27 | Dave | I would certainly hope so,... for your sake :P |
| 16:43.00 | ieatlint | well, i was enjoying a bit of time off, but my bank account isn't as happy as it once was |
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| 16:57.09 | gurugentoo | hi, are there any releases out that have the echo cancellation fix already applied? |
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| 17:07.55 | Dave | guh |
| 17:08.03 | Dave | stupid dbus stop crashing on me |
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| 17:08.32 | ieatlint | someone not singing dbus's praises... ?! |
| 17:09.38 | Dave | hides |
| 17:09.46 | ieatlint | hah |
| 17:09.53 | ieatlint | isn't the biggest dbus fan |
| 17:10.05 | leinir | i've been not doing that ever since they decided to duplicate dcop by adding stupid into the mix |
| 17:10.10 | leinir | is not a fan ;) |
| 17:10.26 | ieatlint | i see the logic in it, but it still strikes me as an inefficient layer |
| 17:10.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf9d5529186f7 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:10.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) prevent possible segfault if /dev/fb0 is absent |
| 17:10.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) disable idlenotifier, FIXME: segfaults |
| 17:10.48 | Dave | :p |
| 17:10.58 | Dave | heh, rut roh |
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| 17:27.26 | Dave | Zilla :] |
| 17:27.40 | Zilla | Hi |
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| 17:31.07 | Dave | Hoi o/ |
| 17:31.21 | Zilla | dag ;) |
| 17:34.05 | techiem2-r | afternoon |
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| 17:34.55 | GNUtoo | hello, how do i rotate the screen in debian? |
| 17:35.24 | GNUtoo | without restarting X |
| 17:38.52 | Wonka | GNUtoo: xrandr -o |
| 17:39.08 | GNUtoo | Wonka, the problem is that doesn't work: |
| 17:39.21 | Wonka | mh. |
| 17:39.43 | Kensan | GNUtoo: did you give xrandr --rotation a try? |
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| 17:39.55 | GNUtoo | Kensan, i'll try thanks |
| 17:41.03 | Kensan | GNUtoo: eh that was "xrandr --rotate |
| 17:46.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rac6ff133f61d 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (display/display.vala powercontrol/powercontrol.vala): fix DBus paths and interface names |
| 17:47.57 | Isajha | i get errors when following the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 17:48.01 | Isajha | No package 'libmokoui2' found |
| 17:48.01 | Isajha | No package 'gconf-2.0' found |
| 17:48.46 | GNUtoo | Kensan, i've tried xrandr --output --rotate inverted but with this result: |
| 17:49.00 | Isajha | on executing om-conf openmoko-sample2 |
| 17:49.09 | GNUtoo | it gives me the --help |
| 17:49.40 | Isajha | any idea what i could do? |
| 17:49.51 | Isajha | system is suse 11 |
| 17:52.04 | Isajha | maybe opkg-target install [package]? |
| 17:53.30 | GNUtoo | and when i rotate it with Option "Rotate" "CCW" the stylus isn't calibrated correctly...is it a userspace or a kernel bug? |
| 17:53.47 | GNUtoo | debian uses Driver "fbdev" |
| 17:54.06 | GNUtoo | because this bug has been fixed in om2008.9 and FSO |
| 17:55.20 | techiem2-r | it has? 2008.9 rotate properly now? |
| 17:56.28 | GNUtoo | i think so... |
| 17:56.34 | GNUtoo | i noticed no bug |
| 17:57.19 | techiem2-r | cool |
| 17:57.34 | techiem2-r | don't think I've tried since I installed 2008.9 |
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| 18:06.14 | Dave | :] |
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| 18:18.00 | GNUtoo | openoffice exits on illegal instruction in #0 0x41ad2374 in ?? () from /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libsb680lr.so...mabe i need to install the dbg packages... |
| 18:18.06 | GNUtoo | (in debian) |
| 18:18.33 | GNUtoo | but were should i bugreport? |
| 18:19.39 | Kensan | GNUtoo: do you think it's a debian-related or Openmoko issue? |
| 18:20.14 | GNUtoo | Kensan, i think it's debian related as it's in the userspace...it's for openoffice... |
| 18:20.48 | Kensan | GNUtoo: well, then I would file it in the debian bts |
| 18:20.59 | Kensan | ;) |
| 18:21.06 | GNUtoo | ah but is the freerunner port supported by debian? |
| 18:21.11 | GNUtoo | or is it an unofficial port? |
| 18:21.21 | Kensan | GNUtoo: it is official |
| 18:21.29 | TAsn | wtf oo on the moko? |
| 18:21.30 | GNUtoo | ah ok thanks a lot |
| 18:21.37 | TAsn | it barely runs on my pc ;] |
| 18:21.40 | GNUtoo | TAsn, just wanted to try... |
| 18:21.49 | TAsn | GNUtoo, what about gui? |
| 18:21.53 | TAsn | sounds barely usable. |
| 18:21.54 | TAsn | ;] |
| 18:22.09 | GNUtoo | TAsn, doesn't run because of an illegal instruction... |
| 18:22.43 | TAsn | well anyway im off. |
| 18:22.59 | TAsn | i was just admiring your try ;] |
| 18:23.06 | Kensan | GNUtoo: btw maybe you can try #openmoko-debian |
| 18:23.08 | TAsn | night |
| 18:23.13 | GNUtoo | Kensan, thanks |
| 18:24.00 | Dave | ^_^ |
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| 18:36.54 | Dave | pesky wabbit |
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| 18:42.15 | rebelThor | hey, how do you get QTopia profiles on 2008.9 to see mp3 files for ringtones ? |
| 18:42.38 | rebelThor | copied the mp3 in /opt/Qtopia/etc/SystemRingTones but i don't see it in the list (or in the "Other.." option) |
| 18:45.38 | gurugentoo | are there plans to implement caller id through a contacts lookup? |
| 18:46.55 | gurugentoo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dialer/2007.2 this says it works... |
| 18:47.19 | gurugentoo | do the contacts have to be in the phone and not the sim card? |
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| 19:02.39 | henkie_ | what is the best for an image right now? |
| 19:02.53 | henkie_ | assuming i want to call with the FR :) |
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| 19:03.41 | rebelThor | 2008.9 is very very stable for me |
| 19:03.58 | rebelThor | QTExtended also works fine |
| 19:04.07 | rebelThor | had some issues with FSO 3, but maybe i just screwed it up |
| 19:04.30 | henkie_ | ah, both are echooing to much for me :( |
| 19:04.33 | jones_ | 2008.9 has only crashed twice for me |
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| 19:04.48 | jones_ | but theres nothing in the default image |
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| 19:25.41 | real_ate | hi everyone... just wondering is there a page on the wiki that talks about the reliability of each of the distros? |
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| 19:28.14 | lindi- | real_ate: huh? |
| 19:29.13 | real_ate | lindi-: you know, which distributions have fixed echo issues and all that |
| 19:29.26 | lindi- | real_ate: how was it fixed? |
| 19:29.27 | real_ate | and resume on call |
| 19:30.02 | real_ate | i'm only looking at reports of it fixed on the qtopia 4.4 distro |
| 19:30.12 | real_ate | and thats why i had the question |
| 19:30.39 | lindi- | real_ate: do you have acces to qtopia source code? i can tell you what to search for |
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| 19:31.34 | real_ate | lindi-: and build a distro myself? |
| 19:31.37 | real_ate | huh? |
| 19:32.07 | lindi- | real_ate: just read it |
| 19:32.43 | real_ate | lindi-: do you have the link? |
| 19:32.56 | real_ate | so i can download it on this machine |
| 19:33.28 | lindi- | real_ate: that's why i asked if you have access to the source code |
| 19:33.53 | real_ate | lindi-: no i don't |
| 19:34.02 | real_ate | sorry :( |
| 19:34.53 | lindi- | real_ate: how can you do any development without source? |
| 19:35.09 | real_ate | i'm not looking for development right now |
| 19:35.27 | lindi- | oh |
| 19:35.28 | real_ate | i'm a desktop developer and want to port my QT |
| 19:35.36 | real_ate | programs over |
| 19:36.07 | real_ate | i just like using open source stuff, so i'm a soon-to-be-developer and an early adopter ;) |
| 19:36.49 | lindi- | when you have source code you can grep for %N0187 |
| 19:36.54 | lindi- | ./framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: c.append( "%N0187" ) # echo cancelling: enable, noise reduction: enable |
| 19:37.50 | real_ate | lindi-: but qt 4.4 has it enabled by default does it not? |
| 19:38.40 | real_ate | and can't you do what this guy says to fix it in 2008.9? http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td791642 |
| 19:38.43 | lindi- | real_ate: i don't have qt 4.4 source |
| 19:39.12 | real_ate | there's a root file system out recently so i'm trying that out |
| 19:39.39 | real_ate | ... i just thought that there should be like a checklist for these sort of big issues on the wiki somewhere |
| 19:40.16 | lindi- | real_ate: i think people should learn to grep the source :P |
| 19:41.56 | Dave | uggh this gsm is real annoying |
| 19:42.06 | Dave | lindi, why could they have used GOOD hardware, to being with? :( |
| 19:42.13 | Dave | also, open, well-documented components |
| 19:44.32 | real_ate | lindi-: but what about non developers and/or people who don't want to build their own OS? |
| 19:44.53 | lindi- | real_ate: you only need to run one grep command |
| 19:44.59 | lindi- | real_ate: no building necessary ;) |
| 19:45.23 | real_ate | oh its a .py ;) |
| 19:45.28 | lindi- | anyways, any idea what's wrong with uboot configuration http://rafb.net/p/WmR4pm17.html |
| 19:45.44 | lindi- | real_ate: on my phone it is python, i don't know how qtopia does it. that's why i asked you to grep your source code |
| 19:46.24 | lambda | hi guys, do you know if FSO MS3 comes with the rendering mplayer driver ? |
| 19:46.28 | mwester | lindi-: that's a quiz? (your uboot config) |
| 19:47.04 | lindi- | mwester: well, if i try to boot menu_6 i get an error which only briefly is shown |
| 19:47.29 | lindi- | mwester: picocom /dev/ttyACM0 and then setenv sd_image_name uImage2.bin and boot works |
| 19:47.49 | mwester | "The following pastebin contains an error. Find the error. (5 pts)" |
| 19:48.06 | lindi- | :) |
| 19:48.40 | lindi- | ha, missing semicolon! |
| 19:48.43 | lindi- | that was easy |
| 19:49.38 | Dave | lindi, how's deb coming along lately? |
| 19:50.27 | lindi- | bugs are afraid |
| 19:50.43 | Dave | Ah, excellent! :D |
| 19:50.50 | Dave | Keeping them at bay, are we? |
| 19:51.38 | lindi- | using distcc really made it easy to build things fast |
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| 19:53.08 | Dave | Mwester, wow, giving an openmoko problem for a school exam would be a nightmare :P |
| 19:53.49 | Tm_T | FYI: I got finally working gprs with my Qtextended, though, IF it's not used it cuts very soon |
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| 19:55.41 | baba_melone | Hi, I flashed my Neo Freerunner to Om2008.9 some weeks ago, but now I dont get the newest software by invoking opkg update and opkg upgrade |
| 19:55.56 | baba_melone | only very few packages are updated then |
| 19:56.14 | Tm_T | baba_melone: what you mean by newest? if you mean newest stable, yes you get it |
| 19:56.41 | viq | baba_melone: somewhat relevant - http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/road-ahead-from-om-20088-to-working.html |
| 19:57.45 | Dave | viq: you are on the path to destruction! |
| 19:58.45 | viq | What, you mean I'm not there yet? Damn, I knew I should have turned left there! |
| 19:59.03 | Dave | :P |
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| 20:02.28 | Isajha | <Dave> Mwester, wow, giving an openmoko problem for a school exam would be a nightmare :P |
| 20:02.35 | Isajha | i got that... |
| 20:07.06 | Dave | :O |
| 20:08.59 | Isajha | well i can still refuse to take this and i guess i will if i don't make it compile successfully within 5h:P |
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| 20:21.55 | Isajha | i mean ok - i don't have to produce anything actually - but i should "evaluate" if openmoko would be suitable for disaster management but how using suse... ofc it does not build on suse... |
| 20:22.08 | Isajha | and i really can't evaluate something i can't even build |
| 20:25.52 | mwester | Isajha: At the moment, the software for the GTA01 and GTA02 devices is largely a disaster; it is itself in need of disaster management. |
| 20:26.16 | mwester | Isajha: What distro are you attempting to build, what features do you need, and what problems are you encountering? |
| 20:29.21 | Isajha | i just need to port some application - should be no problem in first place - but i have troubles using building the example so i can not start testing at all |
| 20:29.48 | Isajha | when the software is "running" (does not even have to be bug free or something) we can start some field tests |
| 20:30.32 | lpotter | doesn't think qtextended is a disaster... |
| 20:31.31 | mwester | Isajha: but for what distro? And what field tests? This makes a large difference.... |
| 20:31.39 | mwester | lpotter: hence the term "largely" ;) |
| 20:31.42 | Isajha | suse 11 systems |
| 20:31.51 | Isajha | running on various machines |
| 20:32.00 | mwester | You wish to run suse 11 on the GTA01 or GTA02 devices? |
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| 20:33.26 | Isajha | i don't have the device yet (monday...) however it seems to me it's a freerunner http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Freerunner02.gif |
| 20:34.07 | Isajha | so gta02 |
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| 20:35.19 | Isajha | what i need to do now is basically just building the example and run it in some emulator - this is just my personal task for that I can device wether i'm going to do this evaluation at all |
| 20:37.47 | bumbl | mwester: disaster is the understatement of the year |
| 20:38.09 | bumbl | to me it seams openmoko has competent coders but lacks leadership |
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| 20:40.38 | Isajha | most propably the solution might be actually simple - i'm running a test atm so takes a few minutes till i get the output - that's the point where it fails |
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| 20:46.40 | malik1972 | bumbl: i think om lost a lot of time |
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| 20:48.13 | malik1972 | bumbl: i would compare it with evolution theory |
| 20:49.54 | malik1972 | bumbl: if you have an idea of the end result there is no need of going the stony way of evolution |
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| 20:53.51 | Isajha | well does not sound encouraging:P |
| 20:54.01 | Isajha | mwester your still there? |
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| 20:57.54 | Isajha | No package 'libmokoui2' found |
| 20:57.54 | Isajha | No package 'gconf-2.0' found |
| 20:58.20 | Isajha | this is the output when i try to configure the example like it's described in the wiki |
| 20:58.54 | Isajha | opkg-target install libmokoui2-devel or opkg-target install libmokoui2-dev or opkg-target install libmokoui2 gives me the following error message |
| 20:59.03 | Isajha | An error ocurred, return value: -1209068160. |
| 20:59.13 | Isajha | i can't really work with that>< |
| 21:01.02 | Dave | Hey isajha |
| 21:01.07 | Dave | still hving problems? :( |
| 21:01.25 | Isajha | opkg-target install libmokoui2-dev gconf-dbus-dev seems to work (http://n2.nabble.com/Issues-with-Ubuntu-package-names-and-Toolchain--td1119640.html) |
| 21:02.44 | Isajha | but the libmokoui2 is still missing |
| 21:03.29 | Dave | yep |
| 21:03.31 | Dave | it sure is! |
| 21:04.33 | Isajha | mmh and the solution/reason is? |
| 21:10.48 | mwester | re |
| 21:11.33 | mwester | Isajha: because that distribution is obsolete. That's why I was asking you what distro you are working with on the device itself... |
| 21:11.39 | mwester | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
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| 21:25.07 | nyu | anyone knows what's this http://www.vergenet.net/~raster/files/rage2.avi that was pasted before? |
| 21:25.11 | nyu | mythtv? |
| 21:25.28 | nyu | sounds like the program I want for my settopbox |
| 21:26.09 | Isajha | ok and what should i download now? openmoko-i686-20080916-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2? |
| 21:26.46 | nyu | raster: ah, I guess you'll know |
| 21:26.53 | nyu | see ^ |
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| 21:30.31 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * ra76501635024 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Use the org.openembedded.dev branch from the org.openembedded.dev trial git repo |
| 21:30.31 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/master * ra76501635024 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Use the org.openembedded.dev branch from the org.openembedded.dev trial git repo |
| 21:32.04 | balrog-kun | no, surely someone broke into his account and put it there to defame him |
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| 21:54.14 | gromez | nyu: you can download and compile rage from enlightenment svn |
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| 22:10.02 | Dave | Isajha, did you ever find what you were looking for? |
| 22:11.25 | nyu | gromez: ah, rage is an enlightenment-based TV app? |
| 22:13.56 | gromez | nyu: very experimental, just try the last version and i could not play any videos |
| 22:14.31 | nyu | ah |
| 22:14.51 | nyu | gromez: can it handle DVB-T? |
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| 22:15.40 | araujo | hello |
| 22:16.22 | gromez | nyu: rage uses tvtime so if tvtime can handle it, yes |
| 22:17.20 | araujo | the openmoko store (US) ships worldwide? |
| 22:17.45 | Tm_T | yes |
| 22:18.05 | araujo | good :-) |
| 22:18.07 | Dave | haha |
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| 22:19.34 | araujo | :-D |
| 22:20.33 | balrog-kun | it's Dave again! |
| 22:21.12 | araujo | hahaha |
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| 22:39.36 | Dave | :D |
| 22:39.46 | araujo | still undecided about OM |
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| 22:40.43 | Dave | heh |
| 22:40.46 | Dave | aren't we all :P |
| 22:40.59 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 22:43.09 | quickdev | raster, here? |
| 22:44.07 | SpeedEvil | araujo: at worst case, it's an open handset. |
| 22:44.44 | araujo | SpeedEvil, :-P |
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| 23:05.20 | Na-Gateaux | hello everybody |
| 23:05.50 | Na-Gateaux | i've just got my open moko |
| 23:06.14 | Na-Gateaux | and i'm testing a bit everything |
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| 23:06.34 | Na-Gateaux | the milestone 3 of FSO looks cool |
| 23:06.44 | Na-Gateaux | but there's things that I don't understand... |
| 23:07.06 | Na-Gateaux | 1) how do I choose a wifi network to connect ? >< |
| 23:07.30 | Na-Gateaux | 2) why can't I dial a phone number ? (others distros work "fine" with dialing) |
| 23:08.13 | rhkfin | Na-Gateaux: write short reports to planet.openmoko.org about your experiences! |
| 23:08.31 | rhkfin | If you want your blog to be added there, open a bug in the bug tracker |
| 23:09.38 | sicu | uhmm |
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| 23:12.20 | Na-Gateaux | rhkfin: ok thanks :) i'm looking for ways to contribute |
| 23:12.27 | rhkfin | great :) |
| 23:13.24 | Na-Gateaux | i'm reading that the recently built freerunner's gps are fixed (no more interferences with the sd card) |
| 23:13.37 | Na-Gateaux | how do you know if the fix was done ? |
| 23:14.08 | Kensan | Na-Gateaux: If you look at the SD-Card slot you can see a component soldered between pins 4 and 5. |
| 23:14.10 | rhkfin | Na-Gateaux: the fix is in the kernel |
| 23:14.14 | rhkfin | ah, ok.. |
| 23:14.28 | rhkfin | But anyway, the kernel fix seems to be working nice as well |
| 23:15.06 | gurugentoo | now you have me curious...time to look |
| 23:15.08 | Na-Gateaux | yes but since I'm running debian from the SD card (sometimes), it would be good if mine was fixed |
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| 23:15.44 | Kensan | Na-Gateaux: it's pin actually pin 3&4 counting from the left |
| 23:15.47 | Kensan | Na-Gateaux: see here http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Freerunner_GTA02_gps_fix.jpg |
| 23:16.49 | Na-Gateaux | I cannot take my SD card off >< |
| 23:17.27 | Na-Gateaux | yeppi, it's fixed :D |
| 23:17.36 | Kensan | Na-Gateaux: good for you :) |
| 23:19.05 | Na-Gateaux | is living in a happy pink world |
| 23:19.39 | gurugentoo | mine's fixed too, though it looks like a pretty messy soldering job |
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| 23:27.35 | vininim | Kensan: Any of those numbers in the battery compartment shows which revision of GTA02 it is? |
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| 23:35.40 | Kensan | vininim: wouldn't know but I believe if you got yours after august it should be v6 and up |
| 23:36.27 | Kensan | vininim: so actually the date code could give a clue. |
| 23:36.45 | mwester | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:55.31 | [Rui] | hi, I'm trying to test http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ but two problems |
| 23:55.42 | [Rui] | 1) what is gta02v5_and_up-lowlevel.bin |
| 23:55.57 | [Rui] | 2) does anyone even boot those images? I get a kernel panic |
| 23:56.56 | rhkfin | [Rui]: do you want to run a 'stable' or really try something experimental? |
