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| 00:00.40 | niklauz | just wanted to check with the source, is koolu now the place to go for freerunners in north america? |
| 00:01.27 | TAsn | i bought mine from them. |
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| 00:04.58 | niklauz | how was the experience, shipping ok? |
| 00:05.04 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 00:05.09 | TAsn | fast furious |
| 00:05.17 | TAsn | and you get headphones and pouch |
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| 00:10.06 | TAsn | ha! found it in scardeycat's repos :{ |
| 00:12.59 | TAsn | so cool! |
| 00:19.16 | mib_yma138 | thinks the most packages are at angstrom and celtune repos |
| 00:20.02 | TAsn | im using angstrom and scardey's |
| 00:20.10 | TAsn | till ill fine something i don't have |
| 00:20.15 | TAsn | and then i will resort to yours;0 |
| 00:20.42 | Wonka | i am trying to use debian, atm |
| 00:21.26 | Wonka | biggest problem: how do I start other apps than zhone? |
| 00:21.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | alt+x |
| 00:22.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | launches xterm |
| 00:22.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | ??? |
| 00:22.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | profit |
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| 00:25.49 | Wonka | mh. needs stylus... |
| 00:25.50 | mib_yma138 | does scardedy still build packages? last update was july 21 |
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| 00:27.50 | mib_yma138 | would be nice |
| 00:31.38 | TAsn | damn 2007 is buggy :) |
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| 00:32.31 | penguinator | Hi, usb-host mode on the latest 2008.8? |
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| 00:32.43 | penguinator | anything more than echoing host to that file? |
| 00:32.52 | penguinator | it dosn't appear to be working |
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| 00:51.02 | mwester | TAsn: Just try 2008.8 |
| 00:51.16 | TAsn | mwester, isn't that utterly slow? |
| 00:51.21 | TAsn | how can i get it on sd? |
| 00:51.28 | jaj | hi! does anybody know how I can raise a userland event when the AUX button, for instance, is pressed? |
| 00:51.47 | cjb | jaj: you might run lshal --monitor and see if it gets exposed that way. |
| 00:51.52 | cjb | or look at the zhone hooks for the AUX button |
| 00:52.10 | jaj | cjb: thank you |
| 00:52.11 | mwester | slow? It's more along the lines of an auto that won't start, and when it tries to, the engine falls out onto the floor --- speed is not a factor in measuring yet. :D |
| 00:52.45 | mwester | Perhaps the upcoming 2008.9 release will be more in the lines of something usable. |
| 00:52.56 | mwester | (but yes, I have put 2008.8 on SD card) |
| 00:56.55 | slaxxin | yea try the FDOM |
| 00:57.13 | mwester | What's an FDOM? Another image for the GTA0x? |
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| 00:57.35 | slaxxin | yup |
| 00:57.46 | slaxxin | italian made |
| 00:57.53 | slaxxin | i think |
| 00:58.07 | mwester | And what distinguishes that one? |
| 00:58.45 | slaxxin | preloaded with software for newbs like me:) |
| 00:58.58 | mwester | What's it based on, then? |
| 00:59.14 | slaxxin | i think its 2008 |
| 00:59.32 | jaj | mwester: the wiki has a page on it |
| 00:59.57 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM |
| 01:00.02 | mwester | :) Does that make 8 different images (incl. the obsolete ones) that we have now? |
| 01:00.12 | TAsn | mwester, so no actual reason to use om2008? |
| 01:00.15 | slaxxin | ahh |
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| 01:00.31 | TAsn | or should i try it? although it won't even move ;] |
| 01:00.38 | jaj | mwester: it's all about choice ;) |
| 01:00.59 | slaxxin | an u have to try it to make that choice |
| 01:01.13 | mwester | The huge number of "alternative" images should make it pretty clear to management at Om that they have missed the mark, and totally failed to make use of the community. |
| 01:01.22 | slaxxin | gosh |
| 01:01.27 | mwester | But that's been the problem since the early days of the GTA01. |
| 01:01.40 | jaj | ok, zhone is written in python and it combines spaces and tabs for indentation... |
| 01:01.46 | zion | anyone happen to know a good work around for " pth_mctx.c:476:2: error: #error "Unsupported Linux (g)libc version and/or platform"" when using MokoMakefile? |
| 01:01.48 | slaxxin | ok its time to step up to the plate this time |
| 01:02.11 | TAsn | newest uboot can boot from ext3 means i don't have to make the kernel partition vfat right? |
| 01:02.42 | mwester | TAsn: correct. But there might be other reasons you would choose to put the kernel on a small vfat partition anyway. |
| 01:02.51 | TAsn | which are? |
| 01:04.01 | mwester | If it gets corrupted, you don't loose your rootfs, just a small partition that's easily backed up. If you must, you can remove the SD card and use it in any card reader on any PC to repair the filesystem or even put a new kernel on it; no Linux system required. |
| 01:04.52 | mwester | If you make it a bit bigger, you can use it to back up files and settings between flashing new rootfs images. |
| 01:05.26 | mwester | You can even make it mount read-only, so that your kernel (and the data you also put on that partition) are protected during most crashes. |
| 01:06.35 | TAsn | :) |
| 01:06.47 | TAsn | done, thanks :) |
| 01:08.55 | TAsn | trying fso on sd. |
| 01:09.54 | jaj | I think fso will be very nice one day, especially for the programmer, the design of the dbus API seems to be very nice |
| 01:17.39 | Gnutoo | hello, i want to boot kenrel from sd(FSO_III) using rootfs from flash(ASU 2008.8)...but my minicom terminal is too slow...so it's unresponsive...what should i do |
| 01:17.56 | Gnutoo | here's what minicom says: CTRL-A Z for help |115200 8N1 | NOR | Minicom 2.3 | VT102 | Offline |
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| 01:21.51 | TAsn | don't copy paste |
| 01:21.54 | TAsn | write by hand |
| 01:21.58 | TAsn | that should do the trick. |
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| 01:22.35 | Gnutoo | TAsn, that doesn't work...that is my problem... |
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| 01:22.53 | TAsn | weird. |
| 01:24.43 | Xecuter | hi! im trying to setup usb-networking with ubuntu -> freerunner, but i'm getting "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device, usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device". how come? i've set up usb-networking before... |
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| 01:28.24 | Gnutoo | TAsn, the problem is when i erase someting... |
| 01:28.44 | TAsn | i c |
| 01:28.53 | TAsn | well i just finished doing just that |
| 01:28.57 | TAsn | fso3 on mmc |
| 01:29.01 | TAsn | still booting ;0 |
| 01:29.09 | TAsn | let's hope for the best. |
| 01:29.10 | TAsn | :) |
| 01:29.20 | TAsn | seems good though. |
| 01:30.31 | TAsn | i wonder where can i get a debian kernel image and tared root fs. |
| 01:30.40 | Gnutoo | and does that works? : setenv menu_9=Kernel from microSD (FAT+jffs2): setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}; regular_boot |
| 01:30.47 | TAsn | it does |
| 01:30.52 | TAsn | jffs2? |
| 01:30.55 | TAsn | what's that? |
| 01:31.01 | TAsn | i did ext3 |
| 01:31.02 | TAsn | :) |
| 01:31.22 | Gnutoo | TAsn, i want to boot only the kernel from fat...i want to use the flash rootfs |
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| 01:34.05 | TAsn | fso3 is cool :) |
| 01:35.22 | CVirus | TAsn: how many hours can your battery last with FSO3 ? |
| 01:35.42 | torero | Anyone knows how omview names the thumbnails it generates? it looks like an md5 hash but i dont know from what does it generates it |
| 01:35.48 | TAsn | since i just know installed it |
| 01:35.53 | TAsn | 0.01 hours |
| 01:35.56 | TAsn | is the record |
| 01:35.57 | TAsn | ;0 |
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| 01:41.30 | scarlson | Hello all -- I'd like to apply the XGlamo patch which fixes X-Coordinate on rotation. I've downloaded a snapshot of the git tree. And am trying to run om-conf on the tree. I am getting some errors, but should be able to work through this. |
| 01:41.36 | scarlson | Am I going down the right path? Once I compile this, do I make a IPK and replace the xserver-kdrive-glamo package on my phone? (OM2008.8-update) |
| 01:42.22 | scarlson | I found a package 1.2.0-r24 replaced it with the one that came with OM2008.8update 09-13-2008 and .. xrandr was not functioning afterword |
| 01:42.32 | scarlson | What is the most efficient way to apply this PATCH that I have, so I can move on with the Application that I am developing.. any suggestiosns? |
| 01:44.18 | slaxxin | i sorry i dont |
| 01:44.33 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.57 | Gnutoo | works!!! |
| 01:51.20 | scarlson | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td677542 |
| 01:51.23 | scarlson | This is the patch that I'm referring to. |
| 01:51.24 | scarlson | I'm sorry if this seem rudimentary, but I'm very new with this project/cross-compiling and the toolchain in general.. |
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| 01:59.05 | Gnutoo | wifi works but i had to try twice... |
| 01:59.12 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot and bye... |
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| 02:58.31 | slaxxin | is it the class 6 sdcards that have a corruption problem i? |
| 02:58.55 | slaxxin | or are the class 4 cards doing it to? |
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| 03:07.21 | slaxxin | http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-MicroSDHC-Memory-Adapter-Packaging/dp/B000SMVQK8 |
| 03:10.48 | scarlson | anyone in here real familiar with om-conf |
| 03:10.49 | scarlson | I'd like to figure out how to turn off some compiling test |
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| 03:29.16 | scarlson | anyone alive in here? :) busy hacking? |
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| 03:35.40 | iormz | scarlson, hey |
| 03:36.03 | scarlson | Good evening |
| 03:36.27 | iormz_away | I was about to sleep :( |
| 03:36.32 | scarlson | ah |
| 03:36.39 | scarlson | Well then, good night! |
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| 05:21.15 | undrwater | çà ôé ç |
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| 06:29.18 | kelvie | does the FDOM not come with an ssh server? |
| 06:31.33 | kelvie | hmm nevermind it does |
| 06:31.42 | kelvie | it just doesn't let you connect via wifi it seems |
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| 06:55.25 | rilo | hi |
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| 07:09.32 | undrwater | hello |
| 07:09.52 | ieatlint | hah, david beckham's team here in the states is the worst in their league |
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| 07:21.31 | kelvie | how do I make it so that I am able to ssh into the FR via wireless? |
| 07:21.39 | kelvie | is it a dropbear setting? |
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| 07:23.59 | rwhitby | kelvie: dropbear was modified to only accept connections on usb interface. you need to modify the config to change it back to allowing on any inteface. |
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| 07:28.15 | kelvie | rwhitby: yeah, I just figured that out |
| 07:28.19 | kelvie | it sources /etc/defaults/dropbear |
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| 07:28.24 | kelvie | so if I remove that file it should be OK |
| 07:28.32 | kelvie | it does make sense, since there's no initial root password :p |
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| 07:30.43 | ruskie | there isn't... *shudder* |
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| 07:32.55 | kelvie | ruskie: yep.. but thanks to that, unless a hacker can manage to plug a usb cable into your phone while you're not looking, you're fine :) |
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| 07:47.29 | jopk | hi |
| 07:47.58 | jopk | how can I make a extension use an other language defined in the locallang.xml? |
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| 07:54.51 | kelvie | where can I find out information on how to create my own repository? |
| 07:54.56 | kelvie | I'm not sure how to update the Packages file |
| 07:55.13 | kelvie | (I've created some new packages using the bitbake from the MokoMakeFile) |
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| 08:00.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 2008.08-update has a *multiverse* repository? |
| 08:02.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | the wiki description of it says its similar to ubuntus, but the descripton doesnt makeit sound like it is |
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| 08:18.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | considers rewording the top of the Multiverse page - its actually more like Universe, from what i can see. |
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| 08:27.51 | ruskie | wishes the hardware had a keypad and was a slider... I actually enjoy tactile feedback |
| 08:29.05 | wyze | heh |
| 08:29.15 | wyze | qwerty ftw |
| 08:29.26 | ruskie | dvorak ftw |
| 08:29.29 | prjktdtnt | time for a little duke :) |
| 08:29.40 | ruskie | but I'd be happy with a generic phone keypad+support keys |
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| 08:31.20 | leinirAWAY | tactile feedback for lots of win, absolutely agree :) |
| 08:32.03 | ruskie | not to mention I wouldn't mind it being a phone first and a pda second... so I'd lose the touchpad... |
| 08:32.08 | ruskie | erm touchscreen even |
| 08:32.25 | Batchy | stick a keypad with plastics button on your screen and modify the OS accordingly ;) |
| 08:32.48 | leinir | The touch screen opens a hole slew of possibilities, i'd really not want to be without that :) |
| 08:33.08 | Batchy | then you will have best of both worlds |
| 08:33.10 | leinir | Batchy: Like the P900 did? :) |
| 08:33.14 | Batchy | yes |
| 08:33.38 | ruskie | well why not have a slider configuration... i.e. slide out a proper keypad while at the same time have the touchscreen |
| 08:33.45 | leinir | In fact, someone could build a P910 style keypad as well... (that one was a proper hardware keypad, no press-through-to-the-touchscreen nastiness) |
| 08:33.50 | prjktdtnt | I am actually adjusting to the touchscreen, I just wish it was more sensitive so I didn't have to use the stylus as much |
| 08:34.10 | TAsn | what browser should i install for fso3? |
| 08:34.21 | prjktdtnt | with the screen I have a better excuse not to text someone back, "sorry I was driving" :) |
| 08:34.52 | leinir | prjktdtnt: Shouldn't use the keypad either, just be a model citizen and you've got that excuse anyway :) |
| 08:35.12 | prjktdtnt | leinir, I got good enough to text without looking |
| 08:35.32 | ruskie | still brain would be split between driving and typing |
| 08:35.33 | leinir | prjktdtnt: You're still distracted, however :) |
| 08:35.55 | prjktdtnt | this is true, i usually only sent a response of "driving" and then people knew |
| 08:35.58 | ruskie | imho phone calls/txt of any kind should not be allowed while driving... even with handsfree setups |
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| 08:36.11 | leinir | ruskie: It's like that in Sweden :) |
| 08:36.13 | ruskie | lol... I tend to look at my phone once a day if that... |
| 08:36.28 | ruskie | and I never respond to anything in an instant... |
| 08:36.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | ruskie, i think it should be ok with a handsfree - its less distracting then children |
| 08:36.33 | leinir | i look at mine quite a lot, since its my watch as well while out and about ;) |
| 08:36.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | then agian, those should be banned as well :P |
| 08:36.43 | prjktdtnt | I'm constantly on a phone, whether my cell or my phone at work |
| 08:36.49 | ruskie | Kamping_Kaiser, not really |
| 08:36.50 | leinir | Kamping_Kaiser: i was just about to say something like that ;) |
| 08:36.52 | ruskie | it's still a distraction |
| 08:36.56 | parodyoflanguage | This is cool, I just found out about this project. |
| 08:36.58 | prjktdtnt | and leinir I use mine as a clock too |
| 08:37.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | leinir, ;) |
| 08:37.17 | ruskie | as for kids... there should be atleast 2 adults in the car when kids are in the car |
| 08:37.18 | prjktdtnt | I haven't worn a watch since the first time I got a cell |
| 08:37.29 | ruskie | one to calm them the other to drive and not be bothered by them |
| 08:37.36 | leinir | Well, my first cell didn't have a clock on it :) |
| 08:37.39 | ruskie | I tend to not care about the time :) |
| 08:37.51 | leinir | But my second one was a Nokia 3210, and well... yeah ;) |
| 08:37.53 | ruskie | but yeah I pull it out when I need the watch... |
| 08:38.13 | ruskie | but still I don't bother with missed calls or sms' |
| 08:38.19 | prjktdtnt | ruskie: that isn't always possible, especially when you're a single mother or father |
| 08:38.30 | ruskie | true... |
| 08:38.38 | leinir | sms is vital to me - a phone which doesn't do that properly is well... a hindrance :) |
| 08:38.43 | ruskie | of course one can always try to educate the kids... |
| 08:39.00 | prjktdtnt | I am at work more than I'm at home so SMS is also very important to me |
| 08:39.03 | ruskie | leinir, lol... I tend to prefer email or im... I so wish there was a jabber only client for the s60v3... |
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| 08:39.08 | viq | Is the mail client in 2008 usable, or am I the only one having problems convincing it to work? |
| 08:39.25 | Shlee | Anyone running qtopia? |
| 08:39.29 | prjktdtnt | viq: I've never gotten it to do anything other than SMS |
| 08:39.32 | leinir | ruskie: Series 60 jabber client? Hmm... i'm pretty sure there is one... |
| 08:39.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | is waiting for illume-config to install - its taking its time. |
| 08:39.53 | ruskie | leinir, and that isn't java |
| 08:39.57 | viq | prjktdtnt: may I ask what did you try? |
| 08:40.01 | leinir | ruskie: Hehe, yeah ;) |
| 08:40.09 | ruskie | leinir, and of course free software |
| 08:40.23 | prjktdtnt | viq: Google apps for your domain with IMAP |
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| 08:41.18 | viq | Yeah, I tried google's imap as well, it claims "can't find domain" or something like that |
| 08:41.22 | viq | My own imaps server as well |
| 08:41.32 | ruskie | gah... why is it so hard to find a couple of tiny pasive speakers... |
| 08:42.20 | viq | leinir, ruskie - quick google brought this ;) http://pdis.hiit.fi/pdis/download/jabber/README |
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| 08:43.27 | ruskie | hmm |
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| 08:44.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | how long is to long for something to be left installing? its not a very big app either :\ |
| 08:45.51 | prjktdtnt | Kamping_Kaiser: I never had anything successfully install via the installer app |
| 08:46.03 | prjktdtnt | I actually removed the link to it as it seemed to cause more harm than good for me |
| 08:46.15 | viq | I did install a couple of things through it. |
| 08:46.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | prjktdtnt, i've had a few things install ( i think). so far just this one is failling |
| 08:46.40 | viq | Say, terminal, xterm, some games, some other things. But eg illume-config failed. |
| 08:47.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | viq, xterm, terminal are two that have worked for me, illume-config is failing. |
| 08:47.01 | prjktdtnt | mine I left running for 10 minutes (can't remember what it was) so I just elected to use the CLI from my laptop |
| 08:47.13 | lpotter | Shlee: I am |
| 08:47.23 | prjktdtnt | ended up getting GPRS working and spent about 20 minutes in the IRC on my laptop through my phone |
| 08:47.56 | viq | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, illume-config failed for me too, install it through CLI |
| 08:48.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | viq, i'm getting an error about obaining administrative lock via cli - i assume the install thing isnt cleaning up properly |
| 08:48.56 | prjktdtnt | killall packagekitd |
| 08:49.02 | prjktdtnt | then run opkg again |
| 08:49.03 | viq | Kamping_Kaiser: "pkill packagekit" |
| 08:49.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | viq, cheers. |
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| 08:50.05 | mmp | Hello, I'm just playing with FR a bit, should cat /dev/input/event2 (should be top accelerometer) produce any output? |
| 08:50.18 | prjktdtnt | how is the theming done? I would love to get rid of the bottom bar from the main screen since I already removed the assassin link anyway |
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| 08:52.18 | regis | hello.i ve a problem with mplayer from 2008.8: i can t play mms://vipnrj.yacast.net/nostalgie_webradio01... |
| 08:52.41 | regis | of course i have the network |
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| 08:55.18 | mmp | ahh, I can read the accelerometer output only if gesd is not running, weird... |
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| 09:01.43 | regis | is there anyone there...usually there is a lot of activity in this channel... |
| 09:02.14 | ronny | its idle-time |
| 09:02.15 | bipak_ | *piep* |
| 09:03.10 | bipak_ | tomorrow my freerunner will arrive :D |
| 09:03.36 | prjktdtnt | bipak_ I remember when mine finally arrived, i was so excited |
| 09:03.46 | bipak_ | :D |
| 09:03.54 | bipak_ | i hope you still are |
| 09:04.36 | bipak_ | or did it idsappoint you? |
| 09:04.39 | bipak_ | i hope not :D |
| 09:05.00 | prjktdtnt | bipak_ I haven't turned on my old phone since I received my FR |
| 09:05.01 | prjktdtnt | ;) |
| 09:05.14 | bipak_ | hehehe that sounds good |
| 09:05.37 | prjktdtnt | my only complaint is that it can take a long time to flash it and while it's being flashed it is unusable |
| 09:06.05 | regis | lol |
| 09:06.14 | lindi- | prjktdtnt: well, don't flash then :) |
| 09:06.36 | viq | You can have the system on a card, that's what I do right now ;) |
| 09:06.36 | prjktdtnt | lindi- I don't anymore now that i'm on the newest version of FDOM |
| 09:06.53 | bipak_ | couldn't you just test new version on the sd card? should me much faster |
| 09:07.03 | bipak_ | viq: :) |
| 09:07.30 | prjktdtnt | bipak_ yes, I was having problems with using the SD at first, it wasn't properly seated so it wasn't reading. |
| 09:07.44 | Shlee | FDOM is a nice release.. Going to try out qtopia |
| 09:08.05 | prjktdtnt | speaking of SD cards, the problem with loosing the partition table only happens with larger SD cards correct? or is it not matter what the size is |
| 09:08.25 | leinir | It only happens on SDHC cards, yeah :) |
| 09:08.31 | prjktdtnt | Shlee: qtopia is ok but the handset volume is insanely quiet |
| 09:09.16 | prjktdtnt | it's fairly polished on looks for sure |
| 09:09.51 | Shlee | It's a little annoying flashing on windows seems to take over an hour.. |
| 09:09.58 | regis | bye |
| 09:10.43 | viq | prjktdtnt: my diagnosis at the moment is that qtmail doesn't like encryption |
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| 09:10.56 | prjktdtnt | viq: I figured as much, have you tried unencrypted? |
| 09:11.13 | prjktdtnt | i don't have an unencrypted server to test |
| 09:11.20 | viq | It complained about wrong password ;) I'll look at my server config |
| 09:11.52 | prjktdtnt | wishes he had orange juice so he could make screwdrivers |
| 09:12.25 | prjktdtnt | that's what I should write for the OM, something that pulls drink information from the net |
| 09:12.37 | prjktdtnt | if only I knew how to program lol |
| 09:13.45 | viq | prjktdtnt: connects without ssl |
| 09:13.57 | prjktdtnt | viq: well at least we know it's an issue with SSL then |
| 09:14.28 | viq | yeah |
| 09:14.54 | prjktdtnt | I'll have to see if qtopia's bug tracker has any info on it |
| 09:15.22 | viq | I remember finding something about that in google |
| 09:15.58 | prjktdtnt | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td686718 |
| 09:16.23 | viq | Was about to paste the same link ;) |
| 09:16.40 | prjktdtnt | viq: gotta love google :) |
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| 09:17.04 | prjktdtnt | although it has info on how to make it work if you want to build it manually |
| 09:19.15 | viq | Well, building seems to work only on linux I believe, and my linux box is in serious need of maintenance or reinstallation |
| 09:20.04 | prjktdtnt | viq: running on something that ISN'T linux? blasphemy |
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| 09:20.34 | prjktdtnt | I haven't used windows (outside of my workplace or when I had my short streak as a WoW fanatic) in 3+ years |
| 09:20.36 | viq | Eh? Who said I'm not running nix ? :P |
| 09:20.51 | prjktdtnt | viq: *whew* ok |
| 09:20.53 | prjktdtnt | that's true |
| 09:20.59 | viq | OpenBSD :P |
| 09:21.20 | prjktdtnt | I'm a FreeBSD guy when it comes to BSD but nix is nix (unless it's suse) |
| 09:21.28 | viq | lol |
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| 09:21.58 | ronny | windows is fun and helps to focus once in a while, http://xkcd.com/350/ shows why |
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| 09:22.11 | prjktdtnt | ronny: well played |
| 09:22.42 | prjktdtnt | ronny: I thought about working for microsoft once: http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 09:22.51 | viq | "You know, normal people just have aquariums" :D |
| 09:23.37 | prjktdtnt | "Viruses so far have been really disappointing on the 'disable the internet' front, and time is running out. When Linux/Mac win in a decade or so the game will be over." |
| 09:23.58 | prjktdtnt | "remember windows ME?" |
| 09:24.00 | prjktdtnt | I knew it |
| 09:24.27 | viq | prjktdtnt: wine is so good it can run windows viruses, and mac is becoming an attractive target too ;) |
| 09:24.47 | ronny | well, as far as i understood large part of the transfer infratructure dont run anything that resembles x86 and windows ( |
| 09:24.54 | ronny | so virueses cant break that |
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| 09:25.16 | ronny | only theservers that run linux/windows on x86 are at danger |
| 09:25.22 | prjktdtnt | viq: and I sit back and laugh at both. I helped my friend install linux and the first thing he asked "What is the best linux anti-virus?" he about fell over in shock when I replied with "What is an anti-virus?" |
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| 09:26.45 | prjktdtnt | and then after he regained consiousness he looked like the happiest person alive |
| 09:27.10 | prjktdtnt | especially because in the past he had always critized my choice to use linux and my constant complaints when I had no alternative to using a windows machine |
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| 09:27.46 | prjktdtnt | he still uses windows primarily but he does keep that same linux box updated for when his windows machine isn't working lol |
| 09:27.53 | ronny | lol |
| 09:28.14 | prjktdtnt | I found it to be a small victory but a victory none-the-less |
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| 09:28.48 | prjktdtnt | I was going to do something on my OM but now I can't remember for the death of me what it was lol |
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| 09:31.18 | prjktdtnt | has anyone written an app yet to sync the contacts from 2008 to Thunderbird? |
| 09:31.51 | prjktdtnt | or at least a script to export SIM contacts |
| 09:32.23 | prjktdtnt | I accidentally messed up a phone number the other day (before installing raster's keyboard) and now I have no way to get a hold of him till he sends me a text again |
| 09:36.46 | viq | prjktdtnt: you can import contacts from a vcf file, and I believe thunderbird should be able to export them as such |
| 09:38.26 | prjktdtnt | viq: I'm looking to go the opposite direction from my SIM |
| 09:39.15 | viq | oh, the other way around |
| 09:39.59 | viq | I think that app has an option to import contacts from SIM, and it keeps them in an sqlite database |
| 09:40.52 | prjktdtnt | I keep my contacts on my SIM |
| 09:41.03 | prjktdtnt | I never store on my phone |
| 09:41.37 | prjktdtnt | I made that mistake once, the phone fell in the sink and I lost all my contacts. there were a few people I never heard from again |
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| 09:46.52 | data_jepp | Where do pics/music have to be placed on the phone for qtopia apps to find them? |
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| 09:47.22 | prjktdtnt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.39 | data_jepp | cool *check* |
| 09:48.04 | prjktdtnt | that's where I put mine anyway and it worked |
| 09:48.55 | data_jepp | It worked ;) |
| 09:49.04 | prjktdtnt | rock on |
| 09:49.16 | data_jepp | \o/ |
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| 09:50.21 | methril|laptop | good morning |
| 09:51.04 | prjktdtnt | what is the alsa mixer setting for the microphone? I have people always complaining how quiet I am when I talk on the phone |
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| 09:55.35 | prjktdtnt | nm found it |
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| 09:58.08 | prjktdtnt | now to hope i got the asound.state file modified the way i'd like |
| 09:59.15 | data_jepp | Btw, since you seem to know stuff :D I can ssh in to the phone, i can ping the other computer in the LAN but not access programs like a webserver without a proxy from the computer the neo is connected to. HOw to I make windows forward more than just icmp? |
| 10:00.29 | hama | hi! me use fdom 13092008 and wants to have a look on remoko... how to start? |
| 10:01.18 | hama | data_jepp: looks like ur dns is wrong setted |
| 10:02.49 | data_jepp | But without dns, i should still be able to download from a local http sever i can ping? (direct ip, not hostname) |
| 10:03.08 | hama | yes, through ip only |
| 10:03.32 | hama | not through a html-form |
| 10:03.33 | data_jepp | Gah, hmm. |
| 10:03.54 | hama | try wget the *.html |
| 10:04.02 | data_jepp | No, i use wget direct like this wget http://10.0.0.2/mov.avi |
| 10:04.15 | hama | looks good.... |
| 10:04.33 | hama | and you can ping 10.0.0.2? |
| 10:04.33 | data_jepp | Im wgetting trough the proxy, when its done ill test without proxy |
| 10:04.42 | data_jepp | Yes, that works it seems |
| 10:04.48 | hama | ... |
| 10:05.32 | hama | no1 installed remoko on fdom? |
| 10:06.37 | data_jepp | hama: cant ping 10.0.0.2, but i can ping the router 10.0.0.1 |
| 10:06.48 | viq | hama: doesn't it come with remoko now? |
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| 10:09.25 | hama | viq: thats what i thought.. but cant see anything here... |
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| 10:10.11 | viq | try from terminal |
| 10:10.27 | hama | me did with re-tabtab... |
| 10:10.38 | hama | or opkg search *remoko* |
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| 10:11.14 | prjktdtnt | ok so I found one of the audio channels that modifies the microphone volume, what file do I have to edit to make sure that it turns up the Mic when a call comes in (Mono Sidetone Playback seems to do the job) |
| 10:11.21 | prjktdtnt | nm |
| 10:11.28 | prjktdtnt | good ol find / -name "*.state" |
| 10:11.30 | prjktdtnt | found it |
| 10:11.48 | viq | where is it? |
| 10:12.15 | prjktdtnt | /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ is the dir with the .state files |
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| 10:13.49 | prjktdtnt | control.12 |
| 10:13.59 | hama | hmm, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ReMoko writes: fdom: remoko runs out-of-the-box... |
| 10:14.26 | prjktdtnt | the only problem is that you can then hear the gsm interference in the call, not sure if that is because of how close the phone is to the other though |
| 10:14.52 | Shlee | Is there a gui for the volume controls? or only the states |
| 10:15.11 | hama | Shlee: alsamixer on terminal |
| 10:18.01 | Shlee | qtopia is one pretty setup. |
| 10:18.11 | Shlee | Just need to increase the volume. |
| 10:18.26 | prjktdtnt | Shlee: just remember that alsamixer doesn't automatically update the state files |
| 10:18.32 | Shlee | Nods. |
| 10:18.55 | prjktdtnt | it does however give you a good idea of what value to put in the controls |
| 10:19.36 | hama | after chaged it "alsactl store" will do the job |
| 10:21.03 | prjktdtnt | hama: for asound.state it does but I'm pretty sure that alsactl doesn't modify files such as gsmhandset.state |
| 10:22.16 | hama | prjktdtnt: so they override the values u mean? |
| 10:23.04 | prjktdtnt | hama: the gsmhandest.state or anything from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios will overwrite asound.state when the scenario is called by the phone's respective packages |
| 10:23.25 | hama | i see |
| 10:25.08 | prjktdtnt | easiest example is when you answer a call that is set for the handset speaker it sets asound.state to match gsmhandset.state |
| 10:26.20 | prjktdtnt | at least that's how it is with FDOM |
| 10:26.43 | prjktdtnt | Which would also apply to 2008.8-update |
| 10:28.02 | hama | so a scrpt what calls alsactl... and after that wrote the cahnges to the other cfg would be nice :) |
| 10:29.04 | prjktdtnt | I don't know what calls that and where |
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| 10:50.40 | Tytanick | is there solution to missing file from dropbear (ssh ? ) |
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| 10:59.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | can someone look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Repository - i just made the 'ubuntu comparison' comment |
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| 10:59.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | wondering if theres any thoughts on it |
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| 10:59.51 | jaj | has anybody here already played with Opie? |
| 11:02.49 | Zorkman | I flahed FSO ms3 and can't ssh in, already tried rebooting |
| 11:02.56 | Zorkman | is there something i'm missing? |
| 11:03.02 | Tm_T | hi Kamping_Kaiser |
| 11:03.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tm_T, hey mate. |
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| 11:09.35 | hama | 1 question for using debian: is suspend working here stable? |
| 11:10.37 | Tytanick | Zorkman i have the same thing - i suppose that newest packae of dropbear is invalid |
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| 11:14.00 | Zoup | do you know any Feed reader for om2008 ? |
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| 11:20.07 | maar | session -w jid:maar@jabberpl.org |
| 11:20.07 | maar | sorry |
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| 11:21.44 | data_jepp | Is wifi working with qtopia, is really not here. |
| 11:22.21 | data_jepp | Cant deactive the connection, so i cant delete it. Really not nice. Were do I file a bugreport? |
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| 11:33.22 | spydon | hmm the phone isnt making any sounds when I have an incomming call is there any easy sullotion for this? |
| 11:33.39 | viq | spydon: turn it off, back on, don't suspend ;) |
| 11:33.59 | spydon | already tried that :P |
| 11:34.11 | viq | heh |
| 11:34.18 | viq | try playing with alsamixer, I guess |
| 11:34.31 | jaj | suspend is the root of all evil |
| 11:35.26 | spydon | hehe |
| 11:35.43 | spydon | well it shouldnt be alsamixer as other sounds work... |
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| 11:37.57 | jaj | perhaps pulseaudio, that thing never works correctly |
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| 11:39.10 | jaj | in 2007.2 I had to restart pulseaudio from time to time but then I also had to restart X for some strange reason to have sound work again |
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| 11:44.03 | data_jepp | The wifi is not working at all, checked wpa_cli and the router logs. Authenticats and diseappears, but still shows as connected even tough the router cant see it anymore :o |
| 11:44.57 | spydon | jaj, lol I had it set to silent in settings XD |
| 11:45.07 | spydon | sometimes it so easy solved that you miss it :P |
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| 11:49.32 | torero | anyone knows how omview names its thumbnails? |
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| 11:51.10 | drjnut | Hi! |
| 11:51.17 | drjnut | How do I upgrade all packages with Om2008.8? The gui only let me upgrade them one by one and opkg says "Could not obtain administrative lock"... |
| 11:52.22 | torero | you can ssh into the phone and do opkh update && opkg upgrade |
| 11:52.26 | viq | drjnut: pkill packagekitd |
| 11:52.28 | torero | *opkg |
| 11:52.40 | drjnut | torero, ok, thx! |
| 11:52.54 | torero | :) |
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| 11:55.36 | drjnut | iz upgrading! |
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| 12:01.03 | polz | how do I turn the phone off when using FSO ? |
| 12:02.54 | data_jepp | polz: Pressing the power button should pop ut a menu(?), or you kan use terminal if you have one and shutdown -h |
| 12:03.56 | ronny | pressing the power button about 8 seconds should start the shutdown on fso |
| 12:04.19 | ronny | data_jepp: uh, thats for 2007.2 |
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| 12:11.42 | diego | ronny, that's for 2007.2 |
| 12:12.10 | diego | i've tried to press the power button for 10 second and when i release, it just go in suspende |
| 12:14.45 | ronny | diego: for fdo pressing the power button will put it to sleep |
| 12:14.54 | ronny | ops eh power off |
| 12:15.01 | ronny | needs coffee |
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| 12:33.50 | TAsn | hey |
| 12:33.55 | TAsn | how can i open the front fr cover? |
| 12:34.05 | TAsn | i want to put a screen protector... |
| 12:35.22 | dns53 | you need a guitar pick |
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| 12:40.48 | rwhitby | TAsn: remove the two #6 torx screws, then use a guitar pick to open the case (start at the end with the hole) - it has little plastic tabs inside which you can push with the guitar pick |
| 12:41.43 | TAsn | rwhitby, i hoped the torx screws part wasn't for the fr as well :( |
| 12:41.56 | TAsn | how am i supposed to get a screwdriver for that?! :) |
| 12:42.12 | rwhitby | local electronics store |
| 12:43.37 | TAsn | how much is it? |
| 12:44.20 | TAsn | well anyhow, i aint got a local electronics store around here :) |
| 12:45.00 | Shlee | http://www.particlezoo.net/individual_pages/shop_higgsboson.html |
| 12:46.40 | TAsn | thanks |
| 12:46.49 | TAsn | im off to try my local hardware store ;0 |
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| 12:59.32 | cryptix | somebody here using Luks for drive encryption and ran into trouble with the recent update of the kernel/cryptsetup? i cant figure it out |
| 13:01.05 | cryptix | whops... wrong channel my bad |
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| 13:15.22 | Infoport | Guten morgen Zorkman, SpeedEvil ! |
| 13:17.03 | TAsn | haha got it :) |
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| 13:25.29 | polz | ronny: I'm having the same problem as diego. It doesn't turn itself off, it just suspends |
| 13:26.36 | ronny | polz: you need to press the power button in fso till the shutting down message comes up |
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| 13:30.04 | Shlee | anyone know the formats for qtopia ringtones? |
| 13:34.00 | dns53 | i think it's anything the media player can play |
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| 13:40.28 | Shlee | mp3 does't seem to work |
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| 13:41.11 | spydon | Have anyone successfully used a webcam with the fr? :P |
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| 13:42.38 | ahobohu | I have two (or actually one) questions... How do you use OpenMoko 2008.8? I'm struggling for 3-4 weeks already, with no success so far, and I think I'm going to use a sledgehammer soon... First, it goes to sleep after 10 seconds of "inactivity" while I'm trying to figure anything out (and breaks my desperate tries to do anything). Second, I just tried to perform a opkg upgrade (hoping that the new version won't sleep like that) and ... * Failed to download htt |
| 13:43.19 | dns53 | go to settings and turn of suspend |
| 13:43.26 | ahobohu | (and how the fuck can I stop it from upgrading my kernel, it ruined my device and my qtopia like 10 times already) |
| 13:43.55 | ahobohu | dns53: There is no such thing as settings on my image, and I can't upgrade to see if it has appeared. |
| 13:44.10 | Mononoke | ahobohu: 1) download updated image, 2) look at illume-config-illume package =] |
| 13:44.43 | dns53 | settings should be part of the core image, illume-config also has something |
| 13:44.50 | ahobohu | Mononoke: Will make update && make whatever-image on the source tree do? |
| 13:48.27 | ahobohu | The illume-config package installs only .cfg files |
| 13:48.32 | ahobohu | Will it help if I edit them? |
| 13:48.46 | ahobohu | Hm, no |
| 13:49.20 | Mononoke | andred: I think you should start with DISPLAY=:0 xset s off |
| 13:50.32 | TAsn | hey, i got a screen protector and i got it a little dirty |
| 13:50.35 | TAsn | and it's a bit sticky |
| 13:50.40 | TAsn | any tips on how to clean it? |
| 13:50.57 | TAsn | (it's sticky to start with, it just got dust that stuck to it. |
| 13:51.51 | ahobohu | Mononoke: xset s off did it, thank you very much :) |
| 13:53.03 | Mononoke | ahobohu: that's only temporary |
| 13:53.22 | Mononoke | look at illume-config-illume package |
| 13:53.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r31 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Makefile: split u-boot into a separate target |
| 13:55.39 | ahobohu | Is there any web page which hints me how to edit /etc/opkg/* files to reflect the current repositories I should be getting stuff from? |
| 13:56.54 | polz | ronny: I've tried holding it for more than 20s |
| 13:57.18 | polz | ronny: and it still just suspends |
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| 14:07.53 | ahobohu | So I did opkg upgrade... So now can I restore my kernel, which opkg upgrade destroyed, with cat /mykernel > /dev/mtd3? (I copied mtd3ro to that file before upgrading) |
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| 14:09.27 | ahobohu | Hm, I think I have to setup my own repository, the real ones don't have the packages at all |
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| 14:17.38 | mib_kguhcv | hnn... anyone here? |
| 14:17.53 | mib_kguhcv | or is everyone still enjoying the weekend |
| 14:21.26 | Shlee | mmmmm |
| 14:21.48 | Shlee | My OM just turned off and now I have a blinking red LED.. any idea on the qtopia release? |
| 14:21.55 | Shlee | grab charges |
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| 14:32.51 | TAsn | hey |
| 14:33.01 | TAsn | what does a red light from my power button means? |
| 14:33.10 | TAsn | or even better, where can i read about it in the wiki? |
| 14:34.36 | Tanuva | "charging" |
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| 14:35.19 | Tanuva | although its nearly constantly charging for me, at least while it has not crashed |
| 14:36.34 | TAsn | weird |
| 14:36.38 | TAsn | first time i have seen this :) |
| 14:36.50 | TAsn | and im charging for days now :) |
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| 14:39.31 | Infoport | TAsn, I got a pack of cheap screen protectors, and I think that they have scratched quickly while the regular screen wasn't scratching :/ |
| 14:39.51 | TAsn | so? |
| 14:39.57 | TAsn | at least it's not the screen |
| 14:40.09 | Infoport | TAsn I can keep changing them of course, but now I'm thinking I would either get InvisibleShield or not bother |
| 14:40.41 | TAsn | i will just stick with this one until i will order invisi... |
| 14:41.14 | Infoport | TAsn well I the screen hadn't been scratching (yet) with use, and these quickly start to get light scratches I can see |
| 14:41.33 | TAsn | still, doesn't worth the risk :) |
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| 14:43.01 | Tanuva | the invi screenprotector works well, the bodykit wasnt a good shot imho |
| 14:43.48 | Infoport | TAsn yeah I guess they will protect the screen, and I can make 2 out of each sheet, but I took it apart to cut it larger than the plastic window, so I would wear clips/parts out opening and closing it |
| 14:44.06 | TAsn | yeah |
| 14:44.15 | TAsn | the taking the front panel out part |
| 14:44.20 | TAsn | is rather painful ;( |
| 14:45.11 | Infoport | Tanuva good to know! the invis one was lifetime, but twice what the pack of cheap ones cost (that I have to keep changing, or suffer using them) |
| 14:49.03 | Tanuva | Infoport: it's not that it wears out quickly, but because of the roundness of the neo it simply doesnt fit that good and leaves loads of edges which attract dirt perfeclty |
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| 14:53.10 | scarlson | Does any per chance know anything about the xserver-kdrive-glamo patch that fixed that x-coordinate bug with the touchscreen (when rotating to landscape ?) |
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| 14:54.41 | TAsn | what's the dev name for the moko memory? |
| 14:54.47 | TAsn | i mean built in flash? |
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| 14:59.52 | scarlson | I am having a good fight trying to compile... |
| 15:00.00 | scarlson | TAsn not sure |
| 15:00.10 | scarlson | did you look in /media |
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| 15:00.16 | TAsn | it's not mounted |
| 15:00.18 | TAsn | that's for sure |
| 15:00.23 | TAsn | i want the device name |
| 15:00.28 | TAsn | (im booting from sd) |
| 15:00.33 | scarlson | ah |
| 15:00.43 | bipak_ | looked at the fstab? |
| 15:01.27 | scarlson | dev/disk ? |
| 15:01.55 | Infoport | /dev/mtdblock4/ jffs2rw,noatime1 1 |
| 15:02.02 | bipak_ | the wiki says that wifi is unstable in om2008.8. is this still true? |
| 15:02.24 | scarlson | ah yes |
| 15:02.36 | scarlson | .. Ihave had good experience so far with wifi. |
| 15:02.43 | scarlson | using 2008.8update images |
| 15:02.49 | bipak_ | ah ok |
| 15:03.02 | john | Did they fix the suspend prob? |
| 15:03.07 | scarlson | the signal is a good 20-40% weaker than my laptop... from the same distance to my AP |
| 15:03.07 | bipak_ | so i will install this image when my fr arrives |
| 15:03.09 | Infoport | I've never gotten my wireless to connect encrypted in OM2008.8 |
| 15:03.38 | Infoport | or OM2008.8-update |
| 15:03.50 | scarlson | TAsn: the fstab says /dev/mtdblock4 (for Root and Pseudo what ever that means) |
| 15:04.01 | scarlson | WEP? |
| 15:04.01 | bipak_ | scarlson: he's gone |
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| 15:04.13 | scarlson | John: which one |
| 15:04.52 | john | I tried 2008.8 and I couldn't turn off suspend. Someone reported a bug the same day. |
| 15:04.52 | Infoport | WPA2 did work for me there, but same wpa_supplicant.conf worked well in OM2007.7 |
| 15:05.06 | john | I'm still running 2007.2 |
| 15:05.10 | scarlson | john: wep works great.. |
| 15:05.39 | scarlson | I have no problem suspending and resuming, have used 2008.8update 2008-09-02 and now i'm using 2008-09-13 images.. |
| 15:05.39 | john | Though I'm considering rasters image from http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 15:05.59 | Infoport | john, I liked OM2007 more, but borked it, and now can only get the last image they released and not the last+upgrades |
| 15:06.02 | john | But I'm comfortable with 2007.2 |
| 15:06.08 | scarlson | from what i can tell the 2008.8update images are the most functional/stable. I use my freerunner as my primary phone.. |
| 15:07.27 | Infoport | I think I borked mine using Qtopia-- it puts stuff places without asking (like sqlite database in the 1st SD even though it is on the 3rd SD) |
| 15:07.48 | john | I"m still a bit nervous about updating again. After I flashed 2008.8, It took me >6 hours to get 2007.2 back the way I liked it. |
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| 15:08.46 | Infoport | john well I *was* triple-booting, with 2 on the SD card, until one/more started messing up the others so they didnt boot |
| 15:09.43 | john | Well, I just want 1 that I like ATM. |
| 15:10.27 | Infoport | john I can get the stuff from a backup, although the rootfs doesnt flash back in properly. I think I'll give it a try mountnig and copying the files from the rootfs backup...hopefully it isn't missing a key config file |
| 15:11.36 | john | Seems that in order to back-up my current set-up, I need to boot from SD first, but I don't have the tools to extract the jffs2 image so I can boot from SD ? |
| 15:13.12 | john | So, is the new 2008 better than raster's image? Does it fix all the complaints about the keyboard? |
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| 15:13.21 | ahuhohu | make: *** [update-openembedded] Error 1' mean? |
| 15:16.25 | ahuhohu | What to do when I see this message? |
| 15:17.01 | john | Look to see what failure caused the Error 1 message? |
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| 15:17.37 | scarlson | No, Keyboard is not fixed out of the box. (with the better keyboard) |
| 15:18.05 | john | But is it easy to fix, like 2007 is? |
| 15:18.11 | ahuhohu | john: A lot of M and A's (successfully updated files I guess), nothing else. |
| 15:18.29 | john | Or am I better using rasters image? |
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| 15:19.11 | john | Can you paste the last 2 screens of output to pastebin? |
| 15:20.19 | Infoport | john no I dont think that it is that complicated-- I just mean that a system on SD is a good way to try and not blast the main one. I think I will also start using my other 2G SD card, and once you have the other system just up and going, backup the maqin one. actually it tries to do most of it, and usually only has and issue with the giant rootfs backup (but hopefully got all the configs, since I have mounted and used files fr |
| 15:20.19 | Infoport | om my rootfs...jffs2 backup image) |
| 15:20.19 | ahuhohu | http://pastebin.com/m6a139dc0 |
| 15:21.38 | ahuhohu | http://pastebin.com/d4df94851 Just noticed this in the middle of the update |
| 15:21.47 | Infoport | john I havent seen raster's image (and cant find a description to go with the images you linked) but I got raster's keyboard going in 2008.8update and it was better |
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| 15:23.07 | john | ahuhohu, that looks like a suspect. I'd check out that and see why. |
| 15:23.37 | TAsnn | hey, do you guys also get very slow speeds with scp from box to phone? |
| 15:23.43 | john | I got that from Dave as being 2008.8 mod'd by raster to include a better keyboard. |
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| 15:24.41 | ahuhohu | john: Well, I deleted openembedded and ran make setup again already... So I guess this will be rebuilded from scratch, but doesn't matter... Thanks for trying to help |
| 15:25.01 | Infoport | TAsnn like if you are copying off maps to host directory? yeah it was horrible but they were lots and lots of tiny files there |
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| 15:25.21 | TAsnn | im talking about one big file |
| 15:25.52 | john | Sometimes it's faster and easier to wipe and start over (-= I've done it many times myself. |
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| 15:44.26 | harnir | hello |
| 15:48.48 | ahuhohu | Does installed arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc on the build system itself affect OpenMoko's build process? |
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| 16:02.45 | TAsnn | hey, what's the device name of the moko internal flash? /dev/? |
| 16:03.34 | darkjames | 17:03:49 <scarlson> TAsn: the fstab says /dev/mtdblock4 (for Root and Pseudo what ever that means) |
| 16:05.21 | TAsnn | didn't see that. |
| 16:05.34 | TAsnn | :) |
| 16:05.34 | TAsnn | thanks. |
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| 16:10.53 | cwright | quick question. I've installed Debian on my freerunner, so far so good. However, I'd like to be able to mount the built-in flash. Does anyone know what the /dev entry is for it? |
| 16:11.29 | darkjames | 18:02:44 <TAsnn> hey, what's the device name of the moko internal flash? /dev/? |
| 16:11.29 | darkjames | 18:03:33 <darkjames> 17:03:49 <scarlson> TAsn: the fstab says /dev/mtdblock4 (for Root and Pseudo what ever that means) |
| 16:11.29 | darkjames | :bored: |
| 16:12.02 | scarlson | haha |
| 16:12.07 | scarlson | thanks darkjames |
| 16:12.12 | scarlson | I'm glad your on it. |
| 16:12.14 | scarlson | ;) |
| 16:12.35 | cwright | yea, that's what I thought too, but I am getting this: |
| 16:12.36 | cwright | debian-gta02:/dev# mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt/flash/ |
| 16:12.37 | cwright | mount: /dev/mtdblock4: can't read superblock |
| 16:13.04 | scarlson | check out /etc/fstab maybe there is something in there that will help you |
| 16:13.17 | cwright | I didn't mention, I am running Debian from the microsd card |
| 16:13.32 | darkjames | cwright, you have jffs2 filesystem compiled in kernel? |
| 16:13.32 | cwright | Qtopia is still installed in flash |
| 16:13.36 | cwright | yes |
| 16:13.50 | TAsnn | i lagged out |
| 16:13.54 | TAsnn | so i guess i didn't see that. |
| 16:13.55 | darkjames | cwright, no idea, maybe dmesg can tell something? |
| 16:14.03 | scarlson | cwrite: also talk to TAsn: as i believe he is fighting the same fight |
| 16:14.53 | cwright | sounds like we both need help, not to talk to each other :) |
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| 16:18.39 | ahuhohu | cwright: Always try to mount /dev/mtd4. In theory (at least according to mtd documentation when I read it last week), this device should be used for filesystems designed for mt devices. Though everywhere I've seen jffs2 used, /dev/mtdblockX is given (if I understand correctly, jffs2 uses /dev/mtdX even if you mount "mtdblock", but using the block device was needed for some weird reason) |
| 16:18.47 | john | It's called DLD T/Sing, cwright. |
| 16:18.48 | ahuhohu | s,Always,Also, |
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| 16:19.19 | john | Sorry, I meant BLB, of course. |
| 16:20.06 | TAsn | scarlson, what fight? |
| 16:20.22 | TAsn | im not fighting nothing ;0 |
| 16:20.37 | scarlson | You tell me, you and cwright are asking the same questions :) Just a figure of speech :) |
| 16:20.38 | TAsn | just trying to mount moko flash from ssd booted distro |
| 16:20.41 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 16:20.45 | TAsn | i know |
| 16:20.45 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 16:20.58 | scarlson | Which i believe cwright is also working on |
| 16:21.08 | TAsn | cool enough. |
| 16:21.21 | john | And scarlson is a big fan of BLB troubleshooting, obviously. |
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| 16:21.40 | ahuhohu | cwright: However, be cautious, I wouldn't do anything with an mt device, if I had important data on it. As I'm not much familiar with the way they work :) So my common sense might be wrong, you know :) |
| 16:22.39 | cwright | heh, thanks for the warning. I'll give it a shot in a little while. I rebooted into qtopia to get these files off for now |
| 16:22.46 | scarlson | BLB? I don't know if I'm a big fan... |
| 16:23.06 | john | You seem to be promoting it (-; |
| 16:23.36 | scarlson | Sorry, not sure what BLB is.. hehe |
| 16:23.49 | john | Blind Leading Blind (-= |
| 16:24.05 | scarlson | lol.. |
| 16:25.04 | scarlson | Ok, i'm going further into the rabbit hole now.. mokomakefile take 1. |
| 16:25.05 | john | Great troubleshooting technique. Take two people having same problem and let them try to find their way out by themselves. |
| 16:25.44 | scarlson | It could work, and if they figure it out... they;ll know it forever? |
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| 16:33.46 | mortenlysgaard | Hi, i was wondering. is it possible to install a repo on the fso build, afterall it got opkg |
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| 16:35.40 | cwright | ahuhohu: fwiw, /dev/mtd4 does not mount either. with -t jffs2 I get bad superblock errors, without it I am told it is not a block device |
| 16:36.05 | cwright | Its not urgent at this point, so don't sweat it too much :) |
| 16:36.24 | ahuhohu | cwright: It is not a block device :) What does dmesg give you? I just managed to mount my Qtopia's jffs2 under OpenMoko with no trouble |
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| 16:37.13 | ahuhohu | mtdblock4 though, mtd4 doesn't mount :) |
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| 16:38.13 | cwright | mtdblock4 doen't mount for me either, that's the output I pasted above. dmesg shows nothing relevant. |
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| 16:39.21 | ahuhohu | cwright: Are modules for mtd and mtdblock loaded? Or included in the kernel? That's the only other thing I could think of |
| 16:40.31 | ahuhohu | cwright: What does wc -c /dev/mtdblock4 give? |
| 16:41.00 | cwright | debian-gta02:~# wc -c /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 16:41.01 | cwright | 655360 /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 16:41.39 | cwright | I'm not sure, I'm just running the standard debian kernel (before last nights update) |
| 16:41.45 | cwright | lsmod doesn't list them |
| 16:41.50 | ahuhohu | Well, that's not your Qtopia jffs2 partition, it's only 640 KB, so it couldn't be. |
| 16:43.08 | ahuhohu | That might be wrong conclusion, though. wc -c shows 17 million here, and my Qtopia is ~40 MB |
| 16:43.42 | cwright | oh well, I really appreciate your help. I need to move on though, I have a project to finish. I'm sure I'll be back with other questions :) |
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| 16:46.24 | TAsn | where can i got the source code for all the preinstalled moko apps? |
| 16:46.28 | Toaster` | Good Morning all. I've logged into my FR (2008.8) and after I connect, I can't enter any text. The terminal just sits there blinking at me. Any ideas? |
| 16:46.36 | TAsn | for instance, the lock screen app? |
| 16:46.41 | TAsn | in 2007 |
| 16:46.54 | Toaster` | never mind |
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| 17:01.20 | Pyrasi | I read on the navit wiki that street names work on the newest navit.....does anyone know where a opkg with this in it is? |
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| 17:02.35 | undrwater | O:-) |
| 17:03.00 | Wonka | sinks undrwater |
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| 17:09.07 | TAsn | cwright, i solved the problem we had. |
| 17:09.23 | TAsn | /dev/mtdblock6 is what you are looking for |
| 17:09.24 | TAsn | :) |
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| 17:14.09 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 17:18.03 | jrei | hi |
| 17:19.42 | jrei | hopefully i will recieve my freerunner tomorrow. I want to "use" 2008.08 but would like to key the 2007.2 for fallback. Is there a way to run the 2008.08 just from the mirco SD? |
| 17:19.49 | dbmoodb | hi on om2008.8 where do you put the ringtone ? |
| 17:20.07 | dbmoodb | jrei: yes |
| 17:20.08 | Tig|_ | jrei: yes just look at booting from SD card in the wiki |
| 17:20.10 | dbmoodb | see the wiki |
| 17:20.17 | Tig|_ | dbmoodb: :) |
| 17:20.33 | jrei | thanks, didn't find it searching for dualboot |
| 17:21.01 | dbmoodb | pft dual boot i tri boot my phone ;_) |
| 17:21.13 | dbmoodb | yeah for om2008.8 where does one put the ring tone... |
| 17:21.32 | Tig|_ | jrei: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 17:21.36 | jrei | thanks |
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| 17:26.17 | dbmoodb | mmm can't find any info on that anywhere meh |
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| 17:31.26 | jonsmith1982 | i could do with a few of the features missing from some of the md line apps. |
| 17:31.54 | jonsmith1982 | like grep -d and netstat -p --inet.... |
| 17:32.36 | Tig|_ | jonsmith1982: that is because they are being provided by busybox |
| 17:33.10 | Tig|_ | which is a single program that does cut down versions of lots of command line apps |
| 17:33.18 | jonsmith1982 | yeah i saw... any chance of that being changed? |
| 17:33.34 | Tig|_ | well you could probably install the full versions |
| 17:34.28 | Tig|_ | if they are not in the feeds though you may have to build them :( |
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| 17:36.35 | jonsmith1982 | no iptables either. |
| 17:37.10 | jonsmith1982 | will that change in the stable release? |
| 17:38.42 | nyu | iptables in a phone? |
| 17:39.04 | LetoTo1 | well yeah :P |
| 17:39.10 | jonsmith1982 | its got wifi, i rekon a firewall is needed. |
| 17:39.10 | nyu | jonsmith1982: busybox is used intentionally for size reasons. this is common in embedded devices |
| 17:39.23 | nyu | if you want the full thing you could install gnu coreutils |
| 17:39.32 | mjr | iptables _is_ very relevant for the phone |
| 17:39.50 | mjr | for instance, for giving a usb-connected lappie natted gprs access |
| 17:40.00 | spydon | its a computer with phone capabilities :P |
| 17:40.03 | nyu | jonsmith1982: firewalls to protect the same computer in which they run are only needed in unsafe environments (like ms-windows) |
| 17:40.19 | nyu | if you trust the software you run, there's no reason to block it |
| 17:40.29 | viq | It's a computer which moves a lot between networks, has full networking capabilities, and a couple services running - and quite a bit of very personal data. And you're saying you don't want firewall on it? |
| 17:40.43 | mjr | (also, we do not want to necessarily trust all the software that runs :] ) |
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| 17:40.56 | SpeedEvil | If you trust the software, and all the permissions that it gives authenticated and unauthenticated users of that software. |
| 17:41.00 | nyu | viq: yes. just make sure your ssh is only listening in usb0 |
| 17:41.00 | jonsmith1982 | nyu, fair point but like mjr said its useful for sharing gprs connections also. |
| 17:41.41 | nyu | viq: you don't need a firewall to restrain sshd, because you can tell it not to listen in that interface directly |
| 17:41.51 | nyu | and so on |
| 17:42.38 | nyu | yeah, mjr has a point |
| 17:43.13 | mjr | Indeed, you can configure every piece of software you'll ever install not to listen overmuch. Or you can have a reasonable default denial firewall to cover all of it. Or both :] |
| 17:43.34 | cjb | viq has a point too -- we're talking about a device that says root logins to ssh enabled with an empty password by default. |
| 17:43.59 | cjb | works at MIT, where DHCP gives you a globally-routeable IP and there are no firewalls and seemingly everyone in the world likes to hack machines there. |
| 17:44.14 | cjb | s/says/has/ |
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| 17:46.37 | jrei | most routers have password 1111 by default. - some things just have to be changed, depending your own paranoia |
| 17:48.02 | viq | But none of that is a good reason for it not to have a firewall. |
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| 17:48.26 | jrei | indeed |
| 17:48.27 | data_jepp | How do I disable/kill english.dic in the latest 08.2008 |
| 17:48.29 | data_jepp | ? |
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| 17:50.34 | m5 | mmm it is possible to know why om freezees? |
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| 17:52.07 | CVirus | How man hours can the battery last with FSO milestone3 ? |
| 17:52.31 | m5 | 421 house for me |
| 17:52.35 | m5 | *hours |
| 17:52.35 | cjb | I don't think it suspends automatically |
| 17:52.43 | cjb | so you're asking how long it lasts when you manually put it in suspend |
| 17:52.56 | cjb | and the answer seems to be a long time; a day or three, I think |
| 17:53.17 | CVirus | m5: excuse me ? |
| 17:54.16 | CVirus | I wonder why aren't trolls kicked outside of this channel |
| 17:54.16 | m5 | CVirus: I was jocking... the battery lasts for not a long time for me... |
| 17:54.32 | m5 | CVirus: sorry, I was jocking... |
| 17:54.57 | CVirus | I'm sure you dunno what jocking even means |
| 17:56.05 | jonsmith1982 | how would you even know how long the battery lasts in suspend? |
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| 18:04.03 | jonsmith1982 | one other thing, is it me or does the phone not keep track of the time while its switched off? |
| 18:04.48 | jonsmith1982 | i've had to reset the time a few times on different distros. |
| 18:05.50 | Mononoke | can't get tangogps to look normally |
| 18:06.18 | Mononoke | anyonw with copy of this ? http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 page seems to be down |
| 18:06.33 | Toaster` | Mononoke: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/029656.html |
| 18:06.45 | TAsn | Mononoke, hehe i also looked for that one ;0 |
| 18:06.52 | Toaster` | Mononoke: It fixed up my tangogps interface |
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| 18:08.08 | TAsn | just wondering |
| 18:08.20 | TAsn | what web browser do you guys use? |
| 18:09.15 | Mononoke | minimo |
| 18:10.09 | Mononoke | heh the guy is from same univ as I am |
| 18:13.32 | TAsn | Toaster`, wow, that's an ugly red theme. |
| 18:13.32 | TAsn | ;) |
| 18:13.48 | Toaster` | TAsn: at least it's legible! |
| 18:14.03 | TAsn | my eyes gone sore :( |
| 18:14.10 | Toaster` | TAsn: Not mine though, and should be easy enough to tweak should someone be so inclined |
| 18:14.22 | TAsn | and it still doesn't fix media player ;\ |
| 18:16.27 | TAsn | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1012 |
| 18:16.30 | TAsn | has a file there |
| 18:16.37 | TAsn | i'll check that one out :) |
| 18:17.58 | penguinator | Is there any information anywhere about using wpa eap-tls with the freerunner and 2008.8? |
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| 18:23.18 | spydon | penguinator, cant you use wpasupplicant? |
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| 18:25.29 | penguinator | spydon: it's failing |
| 18:25.48 | spydon | penguinator, hmm weird |
| 18:25.52 | penguinator | CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS |
| 18:25.52 | penguinator | Trying to associate with 00:15:e8:de:44:80 (SSID='WPI-Wireless' freq=2412 MHz) |
| 18:25.52 | penguinator | Authentication with 00:15:e8:de:44:80 timed out. |
| 18:25.58 | penguinator | over and over and over |
| 18:29.28 | Gnutoo | hello, why the mplayer from 2008.8 can't play mms:// what do i have to do in order to get the support for mms? recompile it with oe? |
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| 18:31.11 | penguinator | Is there somewhere I can find the compiled options for wpa_supplicant? |
| 18:31.21 | penguinator | so i can see if it'd be worth building it myself |
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| 18:33.10 | cwright | has anyone been able to get a freerunner successfully connected via gprs to AT&T's network? I've followed the instructions on the wiki and still no luck. |
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| 18:34.26 | Pyrasi | if i installed debian on my microsd card in the past...but now i want to reformat it and just clear it |
| 18:34.37 | Pyrasi | how would i go about that |
| 18:34.55 | Pyrasi | i assume fdisk somehow? |
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| 18:38.37 | cwright | Pyrasi: yup, fdisk will do the job. I've done it several times over the past few days |
| 18:40.29 | Weiss | fdisk is for partition editing rather than formatting. you probably want mke2fs or something like that... |
| 18:40.37 | Weiss | unless of course you do want to repartition.. |
| 18:42.00 | cwright | ah yes, I read that as repartition rather than reformat. sorry |
| 18:43.16 | Pyrasi | alright....cool |
| 18:43.20 | Pyrasi | thanks |
| 18:43.36 | Pyrasi | has anyone used navit on the freerunner here? |
| 18:43.41 | Pyrasi | im tryin to install it for the first time |
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| 18:54.11 | Pyrasi | it wont let me umount /media/card |
| 18:54.26 | Pyrasi | says the device is busy |
| 18:54.29 | Pyrasi | how do i force it? |
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| 18:55.20 | lindi- | lsof | grep /media/card |
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| 19:01.59 | ahuhohu | Is there any way to fix the source tree, besides trying something like make clean? |
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| 19:13.04 | data_jepp | opkg is not working on the qtopia latest snapshot! |
| 19:13.18 | data_jepp | Anyone? Get error 404 and som signature wrong. |
| 19:13.54 | john | sig fails are expected. What repositories are you pointed at? |
| 19:14.41 | data_jepp | Well, i tried buildhost.openmoko.org but that was changed to downloads.openmoko.rog |
| 19:14.45 | data_jepp | *org |
| 19:15.34 | john | Yea. Buildhost was taken down a while ago. If it's only the sig's that are failing, you can ignore those. |
| 19:16.18 | data_jepp | It follows with a failed to download on everyting code 404 |
| 19:16.39 | Toaster` | DNS error? |
| 19:17.06 | data_jepp | Damit! Yes, it seems. Gotta call my ISP, falls in and out all the time. |
| 19:17.49 | data_jepp | how come i have to reboot the phone to get online again? any quicker way? |
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| 19:19.32 | john | How is your phone connecting? You shouldn't need a reboot, just restart the network interface again. |
| 19:20.49 | baze | is there a usable e-mail application available yet? tinymail based perhaps? |
| 19:20.49 | data_jepp | Its static, its connected trough usb |
| 19:20.51 | data_jepp | Unplug it, but still. Its like the dns wont work after the net falls out. |
| 19:20.56 | dgilmore | john: i changed buildhost to downloads and get http://paste.ausil.us/386 |
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| 19:22.01 | ptitjes | guys I built qemu with mokomakefile |
| 19:22.11 | spydon | hmm didnt 2007.2 have "make"? |
| 19:22.23 | ptitjes | it boots correctly but the buttons of the main screen do not react |
| 19:22.24 | lpotter | data_jepp: thats because OM changed their opkg feed. I will release an updated image soon |
| 19:22.30 | ptitjes | did I missed something ? |
| 19:23.07 | ahuhohu | So, I just cleaned my OpenMoko source... Now, quilt failed to compile. (Just like two months ago). Anyone knows how to fix it, cause I don't remember the solution (it fails applying a patch, the application of the patch is successfull, but bitbake decides to fail anyway) |
| 19:23.15 | john | downloads doesn't have a daily-feed directory. If you open http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/ you can see the directory structure and adjust your feeds correctly. |
| 19:23.17 | data_jepp | lpotter: Good :D Looking forward to it. |
| 19:23.30 | data_jepp | john: Ill look into it. |
| 19:23.40 | dgilmore | lpotter: i have a few things missing that id like to see. anything i can help to get it working, browser, GPRS networking, terminal. |
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| 19:25.12 | ahuhohu | I would guess creating the do_patch stamp will create it, but I don't know where, and find is already taking three minutes :) |
| 19:25.16 | lpotter | well. gprs uses the ppp-network script to configure it :) |
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| 19:26.04 | dgilmore | lpotter: i guess i can work that out. i tried configuring it through qtopia |
| 19:27.01 | ahuhohu | No, find didn't find anything, so where does one put the stamps for quilt, or for anything? |
| 19:30.45 | ahuhohu | What is a stamp and how do you create one? |
| 19:31.38 | nick_ | Can somebody help me with qemu? Mine dosent work anymore. Can sombody send me his env for Om2008.8-update? |
| 19:31.55 | ahuhohu | OK, so I'll ask more precise question: How do you compile OpenMOko? :) |
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| 19:34.45 | ahuhohu | Thanks, did it. Won't tell you how. But the key is to use find correctly :) |
| 19:34.45 | TAsn | weird |
| 19:34.52 | TAsn | internet via usb stopped working. |
| 19:36.01 | ptitjes | nick_: where can I find the Om2008.8-update image ? |
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| 19:38.39 | nick_ | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ |
| 19:39.21 | dgilmore | is it worth my while to upgrade from a neo1973 to a freerunner? |
| 19:40.58 | nick_ | whats while? |
| 19:41.27 | iorz | I just flashed FSO milestone3. Looks nice, but when I try "opkg update" I always get several error messages |
| 19:41.33 | Tig|_ | dgilmore: at the moment I would not think so |
| 19:41.42 | ahuhohu | dgilmore: If you count the fact that there are images for it, with which you reduce the headaches you would have with it three-four times... Yes. Unless your Neo 1973 is already working. The rest depends on what you need, the lack of WiFi is very important for some people, some don't care. It's has more RAM, faster CPU and more flash and it makes a difference... But you might be OK with the current.. |
| 19:42.26 | iorz | * Failed to download http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz, error 0 for example |
| 19:42.29 | ahuhohu | dgilmore: I'm not upgrading, even though I want all of these. I don't find them enough for buying a new phone. |
| 19:42.46 | dgilmore | ahuhohu: cheers. wifi does not mean much to me. |
| 19:42.57 | dgilmore | EDGE or 3G would mean much more to me |
| 19:43.08 | Tig|_ | apart from wifi you are not missing at massive amount, yes the FR is faster at something but then there is glamo, so for dev work, which really we are all doing then at the moment there it is not really worth it |
| 19:43.47 | john | Doubt we'll get EDGE or 3G any time soon. |
| 19:44.03 | Tig|_ | dgilmore: I would continue to work with your 1973 until we get something worth upgrading to :) |
| 19:44.17 | john | That's why I waited for the FreeRunner. |
| 19:45.07 | Tig|_ | john: we also need to get the software to catch up with the hardware :) |
| 19:45.10 | nick_ | @i |
| 19:45.18 | dgilmore | john: i was waiting for a freerunner. i was given the neo by someone who updated to the freerunner |
| 19:45.37 | john | So, Om2008.8-gta02-20080914 is pretty good? And getting a better keyboard is fairly simple? |
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| 19:45.42 | dgilmore | i did just order some replacement batteries |
| 19:45.47 | dgilmore | i seem to be have battery issues |
| 19:46.12 | dgilmore | Tig|_: :) any idea when that would be ? |
| 19:46.18 | ahuhohu | Now, you can't impress girls by sniffing their unencrypted wifi connections by just using your phone, but apart from that, Neo1973's cool... |
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| 19:46.34 | Tig|_ | dgilmore: I would stick with the neo then as it is just as supported as the FR and if wifi does not matter to you (mind you support on the FR is "interesting") I would leave it :) |
| 19:46.47 | john | Well, if you didn't pay for the 1973, I"d still go ahead and buy the FreeRunner, unless you're willing to wait for the next rev. |
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| 19:47.21 | Tig|_ | dgilmore: there has not been any announcement or even hand waving speculation yet officially as far as I know :( |
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| 19:47.45 | john | I considered the Wi-Fi to be critical for me. |
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| 19:48.03 | Tig|_ | really they need to get the two hardware platforms they have control over sorted first :) |
| 19:48.14 | dgilmore | Tig|_: ok cool. the only use for me of wifi would be as an AP. but im likely to have it plugged in to charge anyway. so i can route through that |
| 19:48.15 | john | I was also hoping for something decent from the glamo. |
| 19:48.55 | nick_ | can somebody send me his env for qemu? |
| 19:49.08 | john | Anyway, is Om2008.8-gta02-20080914 pretty good? And getting a better keyboard is fairly simple? |
| 19:49.27 | TAsn | weird, moko stopped reaching outside. |
| 19:49.33 | ahuhohu | Hm, that said, does FR's wireless support master mode, or not? |
| 19:49.44 | TAsn | can only reach up to my phone |
| 19:50.10 | TAsn | nvm |
| 19:50.16 | TAsn | i think i forgot maquarding |
| 19:50.57 | ahuhohu | The last 10 times my phone didn't reach anything, it was either a missing iptables rule, or not having ip_forward=1 :) |
| 19:51.26 | ahuhohu | And the DNS, of course |
| 19:54.41 | iorz | ok, I now added src community-repos downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Mulitverse to /etc/opkg |
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| 20:01.32 | ahuhohu | Wooohoo, it's compiling... I might have phone in three to four days :P |
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| 20:03.01 | parodyoflanguage | Okay, I have to ask: Would the Neo Freerunner work well for my primary phone or is it still just at the toy stage? |
| 20:03.17 | john | So, I can boot from SD if I've got uImage and rootfs.tar.gz, right? |
| 20:04.04 | john | But I need rootfs.jffs2 to flash. |
| 20:04.28 | Tig|_ | parodyoflanguage: it is not yet suitable for a normal user to use as a primary phone |
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| 20:04.48 | ahuhohu | parodyoflanguage: I used Neo 1973 with minor problems with Qtopia. The minor problems were lack for international characters (both input and output) and no suspend. I believe I fixed the suspend on my phone, but I haven't tried to use it after that. |
| 20:05.53 | parodyoflanguage | Tig|: Okay, because I just looked at a YouTube video from 2007 and the guy said the "phone application" wasn't working on his. That would be a problem :) |
| 20:06.30 | viq | parodyoflanguage: if it was from 2007 it means it was at least 9 months old, and that's a lot in opensource world ;) |
| 20:07.11 | parodyoflanguage | ahuhohu: Would the freerunner have the same problems with suspend. I don't really need international characters. |
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| 20:07.36 | parodyoflanguage | viq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-qu_jy-HuA |
| 20:07.53 | Tig|_ | parodyoflanguage: well there are working phone apps on most stacks available but the key issue is reliability |
| 20:08.01 | Tig|_ | that and power management |
| 20:08.33 | viq | I called today someone from Om2008, but can't say I used it as a phone much yet |
| 20:08.40 | Tig|_ | you could have a great phone that worked perfectly for 13 hours on a full charge but would that be suitable as a primary phone? |
| 20:08.47 | ahuhohu | parodyoflanguage: Well, that's with OpenMoko. The phone is usable with Qtopia. It should be usable with OpenMoko latest builds too (I still have not managed to install them), but there are too much issues with them. I'm not aware if the suspend problem exists on FR, I'm not even sure I fixed it. I just made my kernel not to write to the port of my modem. |
| 20:08.49 | parodyoflanguage | Right, reliability. So I'll just wait until these issues are improved. |
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| 20:09.31 | parodyoflanguage | Tig|: Probably not, since I recharge once a day. |
| 20:09.48 | Tig|_ | parodyoflanguage: yep, the hardware is there but the software needs to catch up :) |
| 20:10.52 | parodyoflanguage | Well, I'm definitely looking for a new phone (you should see my current one) but I'm unhappy with the inability to modify it any. That's the main reason I've been putting off getting a new phone, then I heard of OpenMoko. |
| 20:11.09 | parodyoflanguage | And I hate the idea of a locked up cell phone. |
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| 20:11.22 | john | parodyoflanguage: The hardware is good. If you can help with the software stack, now would be a good time to jump. |
| 20:11.41 | ahuhohu | Tig|_: Just out of curiosity, what's not working on the software with Qtopia? I was left with the impression that it is solid. The only reason I don't use it, is because it doesn't fullfill the reason I bought this phone, you know.. :) |
| 20:11.45 | nick_ | Does somebody still work with qemu? |
| 20:12.03 | john | If you just want a phone to use, you could be looking at >6 month or worse. |
| 20:12.56 | lpotter | ahuhohu: ad why did you buy this phone that qtopia can't fullfill? |
| 20:13.00 | john | I use mine with 2007.2 just fine. But I understand it just needs to charge several times a day, and not everything works the way I'd like. |
| 20:13.58 | parodyoflanguage | john: Well, I definitely would want to learn how to program the phone, but I don't yet, and I'd need a primary phone to work with for now. |
| 20:14.21 | ahuhohu | lpotter: The lack of X means that I can't use most of already available free software applications, besides console ones. Qtopia rocks, I love it, but it would mean that I will use my phone only as a phone and nothing else. |
| 20:14.45 | parodyoflanguage | john: Thanks. I can definitely wait 6 months, it might take me that long to save up the money :) |
| 20:15.12 | lpotter | ahuhohu: and what other programs would you need that you cannot get on qtopia? |
| 20:15.14 | john | Of course, by then they might have V3 around the corner (-= |
| 20:15.27 | Seadog | parodyoflanguage: you can pick up a normal phone for like a tenner if you don't mind it being awful |
| 20:15.51 | mwester | numpty physics, for one :) |
| 20:16.02 | john | I've got a net10 phone for back-up (-; |
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| 20:16.31 | froksen | Is it yet possible to play MP3 songs on the Freerunner? |
| 20:16.47 | lpotter | has been possible for ages |
| 20:16.47 | ahuhohu | lpotter: Besides everything? :) GPS navigational software, mail client, and about anything there isn't in Qtopia. |
| 20:16.50 | parodyoflanguage | Seadog: I already have an aweful phone. The battery and antennae need to be retaped regularly to hold them in place :) |
| 20:16.53 | parodyoflanguage | And it's very old. |
| 20:16.55 | froksen | Know that in previous versions, it has only been possible to play Ogg |
| 20:17.00 | froksen | Fair :-D |
| 20:17.03 | lpotter | ummm.. qtopia has email |
| 20:17.10 | ahuhohu | OK, my bad |
| 20:17.22 | lpotter | and there are gps apps |
| 20:17.24 | viq | lpotter: which doesn't work with SSL |
| 20:17.26 | john | Imagine that, the Nokia spokesman doesn't know what qtopia is lacking (-; |
| 20:17.40 | lpotter | john: i am asking opinions |
| 20:17.54 | lpotter | and i am not a spokesman for nokia. I am a trolltech developer |
| 20:18.13 | froksen | How is the battery life at the current stage? |
| 20:18.24 | john | And I'm just stiring. Actually I'm glad to see someone from high-up in corporation land following this so closely. |
| 20:18.31 | |FiLiP| | I must say I'm pretty happy ith qtopia on my FR |
| 20:18.49 | lpotter | high up? trolltech only recently got bought by nokia |
| 20:19.02 | |FiLiP| | battery is much better than I expected when i bought the FR |
| 20:19.08 | data_jepp | lpotter: When will you have an updated image ready with the right links? |
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| 20:19.27 | lpotter | just testing the gta02 one now |
| 20:19.28 | john | still shows they haven't tried to kill interest. |
| 20:19.35 | mwester | will be even happier with his GTA01/Qtopia when he gets the "bouncy rubber Calypso" bug worked-around in Qtopia too. |
| 20:19.45 | ahuhohu | lpotter: Well, if you are asking for opinions, there's nothing wrong in Qtopia so my opinion won't matter in any way. It's just that is lacking X that is making some difference. Also, I know how to code for GTK+, not for Qt, though that won't be much problem. |
| 20:19.52 | lpotter | bouncy rubber calypso? |
| 20:20.05 | froksen | |FiLiP|: Fair, how long appox? |
| 20:20.07 | froksen | aprox |
| 20:20.21 | mwester | Calypso GSM bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 |
| 20:20.39 | lpotter | calypso is one big bug |
| 20:20.57 | lpotter | mwester: ahh that one. |
| 20:21.01 | mwester | I have a "wallpaper over the problem" fix I'm testing for FSO MS3; I need to make one of those for Qtopia too. And I agree that the Calypso is nothing but a nightmare. |
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| 20:21.19 | |FiLiP| | offcourse it depends on usage, but if I barely use it (but all the time registered to the network), I easily get 4days&nights |
| 20:21.28 | lpotter | lpotter: i thought it only effected gta02. but I think I fixed it in 4.4 |
| 20:21.53 | lpotter | as I have not been seeing it lately |
| 20:22.04 | john | Must be nice. I'm lucky if my phone hasn't powered off by lunch-time after unplugging it at 7:00AM |
| 20:22.15 | lpotter | john: use qtopia |
| 20:22.17 | lpotter | :) |
| 20:22.42 | lpotter | my gta02 doesnt need charging for a few days |
| 20:22.42 | john | Will it give me OpenGL campatability? |
| 20:22.47 | lpotter | unless i use it |
| 20:22.52 | mwester | lpotter: Is 4.4 released yet? I have no sources except 4.3.2 |
| 20:23.02 | mwester | I'd rather fix it in sometihing current... |
| 20:23.13 | lpotter | john: not yet. and I have sdl code but just havent had time to get it packages |
| 20:23.31 | mwester | SDL on Qtopia? |
| 20:23.37 | froksen | |FiLiP|: Nice... I though it would be like the iPhone about a day or two ... :-S |
| 20:23.48 | lpotter | mwester: i thought i was fixed in 4.3, but maybe it hadnt gotten back ported or sprung to the 4.3.3 tree |
| 20:23.57 | lpotter | mwester: yes |
| 20:24.30 | mwester | :) on the SDL; :( not fixed in 4.3.2 for me on the bouncy rubber calypso problem |
| 20:24.36 | john | My second project is to port http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,25,2107 |
| 20:24.47 | morricone | i just flashed my neo with the latest built and i don't have any keyboard |
| 20:25.08 | TAsn | how can i make opkg show download time and speed? |
| 20:25.56 | iorz | where do I find a opkg repository with openmoko-agpsui ? |
| 20:26.07 | TAsn | scardeycats has it. |
| 20:26.10 | lpotter | mwester: 4.4 is real soon, but I need to concentrate on getting the sdk building |
| 20:26.20 | iorz | kk |
| 20:26.45 | mwester | sets out to wait impatiently for 4.4 :) |
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| 20:27.10 | Staticwave_Ace | does the GSM network send any kind of message when it disallows an SMS message when there's not enough money on an account? |
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| 20:27.31 | Staticwave_Ace | because I was having SMS' going into a black hole because I didn't know I was out of money (in Qtopia) |
| 20:27.34 | |FiLiP| | is staring at the horizon to check if he can see if Qtopia 4.4 is arriving |
| 20:27.55 | lpotter | Staticwave_Ace: I think it just fails. but it should depend on your operator |
| 20:28.08 | Staticwave_Ace | lpotter: well for me, it was failing silently |
| 20:28.17 | lpotter | Staticwave_Ace: I will ask the comms guys today about that |
| 20:28.22 | Staticwave_Ace | thanks |
| 20:28.45 | Staticwave_Ace | also, I'm still not getting notifications about voicemail from my provider |
| 20:29.08 | lpotter | reproducing it might be difficult, becuase virgin mobile they just f'fail to send' |
| 20:29.30 | Staticwave_Ace | lpotter: guess I'll have to wait till I have no money again |
| 20:30.40 | TAsn | does fso3 have sms? |
| 20:30.48 | TAsn | or is there something i should install for sms? |
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| 20:32.22 | Tig|_ | TAsn: yes it does but it is not suitable for production use in my experience |
| 20:32.34 | TAsn | where can i find it? |
| 20:32.49 | TAsn | i have fso installed, just can't find out where the sms are. |
| 20:33.03 | iorz | i just send a sms with fso3 ;) |
| 20:33.17 | iorz | in zhone use the icon on the right top |
| 20:34.23 | TAsn | i see |
| 20:34.35 | TAsn | well what does a blue led from power button mean? |
| 20:34.50 | TAsn | and where can i generally find out everything about the leds and colors? |
| 20:35.22 | Tig|_ | iirc blue means charging , orange means discharging |
| 20:35.38 | TAsn | someone told me red is charging. |
| 20:35.53 | Tig|_ | ah I might have got it backwards then |
| 20:36.01 | TAsn | its plugged though |
| 20:36.05 | TAsn | and the screen is off. |
| 20:36.10 | iorz | for me red is charging, never saw the blue one |
| 20:36.23 | Tig|_ | I do know if you turn both leds in the power button on it glows purple :) |
| 20:37.39 | TAsn | blue means full |
| 20:37.41 | TAsn | i think |
| 20:39.08 | TAsn | iorz, the top right icon doesn't work ;0 |
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| 20:40.15 | Tig|_ | TAsn: yes we really could do with a few pointers on the LED status :) |
| 20:40.23 | TAsn | :) |
| 20:40.34 | iorz | TAsn, how? nothing happens? |
| 20:40.43 | TAsn | nope |
| 20:40.48 | TAsn | just stays as is. |
| 20:41.22 | TAsn | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_LED_signals |
| 20:41.23 | iorz | hm strange, i only have this with the calendar (?) at the bottom left |
| 20:41.30 | TAsn | same with the cal |
| 20:41.30 | TAsn | :) |
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| 20:42.47 | nomatter101 | hi |
| 20:42.57 | TAsn | actually with all but phone map and tools |
| 20:43.26 | nomatter001 | i would like to know if you are planning to build a new version of the mobile phone and if it would contain a cam? |
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| 20:43.46 | iorz | well contacts works for me too |
| 20:43.54 | TAsn | iorz, weird. |
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| 20:44.18 | TAsn | any idea how i can run it from terminal fur debug? |
| 20:44.33 | TAsn | or how can i make opkg show download progress?! |
| 20:45.44 | nomatter001 | does anybody know if something is planned? |
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| 20:46.02 | iorz | where can I get the zhone source? |
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| 20:50.16 | nomatter001 | so noone knows anything? |
| 20:51.11 | Tig|_ | nomatter001: patience grasshopper :) as far as I know there have been no official plans for a new phone at this time |
| 20:51.50 | nomatter001 | Tig|_: ok thx so there won't be a phone with a cam very soon? |
| 20:51.58 | ahuhohu | nomatter001: # Recent changes |
| 20:52.01 | ahuhohu | oops |
| 20:52.08 | ahuhohu | nomatter001: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phone_Development |
| 20:52.09 | TAsn | iorz, dunno |
| 20:52.12 | feitingen | dhcpclient rejects dhcpoffers, does anyone know why? |
| 20:52.12 | TAsn | but about debug |
| 20:52.31 | TAsn | tomorrow i will try debugging it with ssh, and running from terminal. |
| 20:53.30 | Tig|_ | nomatter001: nothing very soon as OM is quite open about their plans and if a new design was in the offing then they would be talking about it. This is all from just someone who is sitting at home watching and not official |
| 20:55.05 | iorz | there's something on the wiki how to get the zhone source (but for ubuntu users :( ) |
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| 20:55.11 | SpeedEvil | rofls. |
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| 20:55.26 | SpeedEvil | Tig|_: GTA03 has a camera |
| 20:55.36 | nomatter001 | Tig|_: so if i want a openmoko-phone soon i will have to buy one without cam |
| 20:55.39 | SpeedEvil | Tig|_: I would not expect it within 6 months |
| 20:56.15 | Mononoke | in OM terms within 1 year >.> |
| 20:56.30 | viq | Hopefully ;) |
| 20:56.50 | TAsn | weird. |
| 20:57.07 | TAsn | restarting x causes network reregistration |
| 20:58.01 | nomatter001 | so what do you think, is it possible to use the neo freerunner, as it is now, as your first phone in europe or are there too much problems? |
| 20:58.14 | Guest_7869699 | nomatter001: you still could get a freerunner und add a camera yourself, should not be too complicated |
| 20:58.53 | Tig|_ | SpeedEvil: they have said that officially? |
| 20:58.58 | SpeedEvil | Tig|_: yes |
| 20:59.01 | Tig|_ | lawks |
| 20:59.12 | Tig|_ | missed that one :/ |
| 20:59.14 | SpeedEvil | guerby: horribly complex - if you want it not to stick out. |
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| 21:04.33 | ptitjes | what means "s2c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20" when flashing qemu ? |
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| 21:06.02 | TAsn | weird upon opkg upgrade in fso3 i lost carrier name in the shelf |
| 21:08.58 | zedstar | speedevil know any cheap places for getting a 5VDC powersupply in the uk? the site i was gonna order is 4 quid but 12 quid shipping!!! |
| 21:10.16 | Tig|_ | zedstar: maplin? |
| 21:10.57 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: current? |
| 21:11.08 | zedstar | tig ah yeh they might |
| 21:11.26 | TAsn | is there an alarm clock app? |
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| 21:11.32 | zedstar | speedevil well this is exact thing.. http://parts.digikey.co.uk/1/1/617315-xfrmr-wall-mnt-5vdc-1-0a-e-star-eps050100-p6p.html |
| 21:11.49 | zedstar | speedevil power for a beagleboard...i dont wanna kill my little beagle |
| 21:11.52 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: sorry - can't do pictures ATM |
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| 21:12.03 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: well - any 'USB charger' will work |
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| 21:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Or indeed a stripped USB lead plugged into your PC. |
| 21:12.58 | zedstar | speedevil i want to keep the usb free for a bluetooth dongle and power separately |
| 21:13.49 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: any USB charger will provide 5V at 500mA |
| 21:13.52 | SpeedEvil | pretty much. |
| 21:14.32 | nick_ | can somebody help me with qemu? |
| 21:14.34 | SpeedEvil | I even got one from dealextreme.com for about 1.50 that seems to work fine (free ship) |
| 21:15.41 | zedstar | speedevil so these things plug in wall socket and provide usb connector? |
| 21:15.42 | nimpo | just upgraded to om2008.8. seems I can't install anything now due to gpg failure (17). Can anyone point me at a fix or the relevant keys? |
| 21:15.56 | paroneayea | http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/09/11 |
| 21:16.02 | paroneayea | Yahoo! |
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| 21:20.50 | nick_ | if somebody has a working qemu can you send me your env (~/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env) |
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| 21:28.03 | TAsn | iorz, did you have to install anything to use sms in fso? |
| 21:29.26 | TAsn | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:FSO_UI_main.png |
| 21:29.36 | TAsn | im not getting anything even similar to this. |
| 21:29.42 | TAsn | almost no icons up theer |
| 21:29.51 | TAsn | furthermore, no bars. |
| 21:32.28 | jonsmith1982 | me nor |
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| 21:33.20 | jonsmith1982 | must be an older version of zhone. |
| 21:37.49 | jonsmith1982 | where can i find a howto guide on compiling and packaging cmd line apps for openmoko? |
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| 21:39.15 | jonsmith1982 | something like htop or s/locate |
| 21:40.24 | TAsn | toolchain |
| 21:40.37 | TAsn | just use the compiler from there. |
| 21:41.26 | TAsn | or maybe a newer |
| 21:41.34 | jonsmith1982 | so om-conf htop then make and om-make-ipkg? |
| 21:41.43 | TAsn | i wonder where i can get zhone from. |
| 21:41.54 | TAsn | i think om-make-ipkg includes make |
| 21:41.57 | TAsn | but yeah. |
| 21:42.03 | jonsmith1982 | oh ok thanks. |
| 21:42.15 | Mononoke | annyone knows right link for google terrain maps ? |
| 21:42.41 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r25d3933b0929 10/src/zhone: remove tabs. DON'T EVER USE TABS IN PYTHON CODE! |
| 21:42.54 | TAsn | lol. |
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| 21:46.39 | iorz | TAsn, no sms just worked directly after flashing |
| 21:47.21 | TAsn | weird |
| 21:47.28 | TAsn | the sms icon is a bit dimmed |
| 21:47.45 | TAsn | the working buttons are much more colorful |
| 21:47.55 | scarlson | Has anyone in here successfully patched and compiled xserver-kdrive-glamo. This patch was for xrandr rotation, fixes the x-coordinate re-calibration.. |
| 21:48.33 | scarlson | I'm currently 25% through the distro build, probably won't be done until tomorrow morning.. |
| 21:48.51 | scarlson | I'd like a copy of the package with the fix if anyone has it.. |
| 21:49.55 | edistar | hi, can anyone help me with gps? I'm running FSO and have activated gps.. echo 1 > /sys/foo.. |
| 21:50.03 | edistar | but a cat /dev/ttySAC1 doesn't tell me anything |
| 21:51.37 | scarlson | Its funny, because it seems that nobody, either has fixed the problem, or cares too. (On a personal basis, the patch is available) |
| 21:52.10 | scarlson | And the current images for both 2008.8 and FSO 3 do not have it. |
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| 22:01.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r62eff396ae44 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [qtopia] adding AT+CSCS=UCS2 for Non-English language PhoneBook support |
| 22:01.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbb916abbadac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] dump up the version of assassin to 234 |
| 22:01.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf6a7dcce623c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update opkg to get 302 redirect bugfixe |
| 22:01.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5ebb846ca5e7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update 2007.2 software stack versions |
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| 22:27.12 | Mononoke | does tangogps cache settings only in gconf ? |
| 22:27.38 | Wonka | i think that's what gconf is for |
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| 22:55.41 | kelvie | how do you change the shell on the openmoko? |
| 22:55.52 | kelvie | I've installed zsh, and modified passwd; but now it won't let me login |
| 22:56.12 | jaj | vipasswd? |
| 22:56.30 | jaj | or vipw rather |
| 22:56.48 | kelvie | jaj: ? none of those are installed |
| 22:56.58 | kelvie | there's no chsh command either (not sure what package provides that) |
| 22:57.30 | jaj | what distro is it? |
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| 22:58.17 | kelvie | jaj: 2008.08 |
| 22:58.35 | kelvie | I have OE on my system though, I can build any packages as necessary |
| 22:59.55 | jaj | hmm I don't know which package provides it |
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| 23:05.50 | kelvie | hmm on gentoo it's shadow |
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| 23:05.56 | kelvie | but I don't see a shadow package in OE |
| 23:06.30 | jaj | I'm a bsd guy and on bsd it's in base ;) |
| 23:07.01 | valos[fr] | on debian, it is in passwd package and locates at /usr/sbin/vipw |
| 23:07.57 | jaj | perhaps that passwd package also contains chsh |
| 23:08.20 | valos[fr] | yes |
| 23:09.42 | kelvie | oh great, thanks |
| 23:10.13 | kelvie | now.. which package contains ldd? :p |
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| 23:10.25 | jaj | also check that zsh is in /etc/shells |
| 23:10.58 | jaj | kelvie: that should be build-essentials |
| 23:11.15 | kelvie | jaj: that it is not |
| 23:11.24 | kelvie | I don't want gcc and the entire toolchain :O |
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| 23:11.28 | valos[fr] | in libc6? |
| 23:11.43 | kelvie | build-essentials? is that in OE? |
| 23:11.47 | kelvie | that sounds very debianish |
| 23:12.02 | jaj | yeah that's for debian |
| 23:12.15 | kelvie | and we're in #openmoko :P |
| 23:12.18 | jaj | I have debian on my OM |
| 23:12.20 | jaj | :p |
| 23:12.27 | kelvie | valos[fr]: aha.. it is in glibc somewhere |
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| 23:17.19 | TAsn | what user repos should i use for pidgin and stuff on fso3? |
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| 23:18.07 | valos[fr] | i use bearstech |
| 23:18.52 | valos[fr] | TAsn: http://shr.bearstech.com/ |
| 23:18.56 | kelvie | ahhh.. there's a package called "ldd" :( |
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| 23:19.07 | TAsn | oh cool they have pidgin and stuff? |
| 23:19.08 | TAsn | :) |
| 23:19.21 | TAsn | btw |
| 23:19.31 | valos[fr] | but |
| 23:19.34 | TAsn | is it safe to do opkg upgrade on fso? |
| 23:19.41 | TAsn | i heard something about broken glamo x |
| 23:19.51 | valos[fr] | i update today |
| 23:20.09 | TAsn | you did opkg upgrade? |
| 23:20.09 | valos[fr] | and I thinks that efl stuffs are broken :-( |
| 23:20.21 | valos[fr] | yes |
| 23:20.40 | TAsn | what's efl? |
| 23:20.45 | valos[fr] | illume don't start anymore and crash xserver |
| 23:20.45 | TAsn | thanks :) |
| 23:21.26 | TAsn | valos[fr], so you don't recommend an opkg upgrade? |
| 23:22.58 | TAsn | valos[fr], ? |
| 23:23.04 | TAsn | should i or should i not? |
| 23:25.14 | weirdedout | TAsn, dont do an upgrade yet. |
| 23:25.23 | TAsn | weirdedout, thanks. |
| 23:25.25 | weirdedout | Just did one 15 mins ago and X will not start. |
| 23:25.33 | TAsn | weirdedout, i c. |
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| 23:25.55 | weirdedout | Hopefully it will be fixed soon :-/ |
| 23:26.03 | valos[fr] | TAsn: sorry, ok I'm not alone, and problem is not related to me |
| 23:26.17 | TAsn | i also did upgrade 15 mins ago and x wouldn't start though i thought it was related to the fact i used anothe repo with it. |
| 23:27.03 | weirdedout | FSO was working really well too. |
| 23:27.04 | valos[fr] | I think problem is in libevas or libecore |
| 23:27.44 | TAsn | just installed fso from scratch and gsm isn't registering. |
| 23:27.48 | TAsn | weird. |
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| 23:29.03 | valos[fr] | TAsn: connection with dbus is OK? |
| 23:29.25 | TAsn | sec, checking |
| 23:29.55 | TAsn | how can i check? |
| 23:29.58 | TAsn | registered :) |
| 23:30.00 | TAsn | cool |
| 23:30.06 | TAsn | all i needed is x restart |
| 23:30.16 | TAsn | now, sms. |
| 23:30.24 | TAsn | for some reason sms icon is grayed |
| 23:34.47 | TAsn | could this be sim card related? |
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| 23:51.35 | kelvie | yes.... finally got PyQt4 working :p |
| 23:51.46 | kelvie | now I can finally start developing |
| 23:52.00 | kelvie | .. or perhaps link it against Qtopia instead of qt4-x11 |
| 23:54.23 | Staticwave_Ace | kelvie: just wait for 4.4 |
| 23:54.39 | kelvie | Staticwave_Ace: of what? |
| 23:54.43 | kelvie | Qtopia? |
| 23:55.08 | Staticwave_Ace | yeah |
| 23:55.11 | kelvie | why? |
| 23:55.25 | Staticwave_Ace | well, you could waste a lot of effort on 4.3 if something big changes |
| 23:55.34 | Staticwave_Ace | and its supposed to be "soon" |
| 23:55.40 | kelvie | they'll be binary compatible |
| 23:55.50 | Staticwave_Ace | that's always the goal |
| 23:55.59 | kelvie | plus I've already been developing using qt 4.4 for the last 6 months |
| 23:56.03 | kelvie | I know most of the changes |
| 23:56.15 | Staticwave_Ace | alright then |
| 23:56.38 | kelvie | no point in waiting :P |
| 23:56.48 | kelvie | there aren't any major changes, just some nice additions (such as QtWebkit) |
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