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| 00:31.25 | b0ib01 | can i get a url for the best 2008.8 image? |
| 00:31.51 | b0ib01 | i've tried 2 images now and neither seemed good |
| 00:32.04 | b0ib01 | the first one had few icons, and the second had even less on the main screen |
| 00:32.07 | b0ib01 | just one "settings" |
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| 00:59.27 | tg | hi |
| 01:00.27 | tg | raster: you around? |
| 01:01.09 | raster | no. i'm dead |
| 01:01.11 | raster | i ate myself |
| 01:01.17 | tg | aw |
| 01:01.31 | tg | anyways, i have a question about the illume keyboard |
| 01:01.50 | tg | is it possible somehow to set the default keyboard type? |
| 01:02.29 | raster | hmmm |
| 01:02.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb892e6784f7 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: [ffmpeg] SRCREV make it work with BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV |
| 01:02.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4378e81d6c95 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [linux-kaiser] Set a SRCREV for linux-kaiser |
| 01:02.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb8c97f4eed06 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to a rev that exists now... |
| 01:02.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rffb30db91b16 10/packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb: [vlc-davinci] Fix the SRCREV usage |
| 01:02.39 | raster | not as such - no |
| 01:02.40 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9205901bac38 10/classes/base.bbclass: [base] Autodetect the SCM and add listing of git repositories |
| 01:02.51 | raster | it has no config it stores for type to use |
| 01:02.55 | raster | code could be added |
| 01:03.04 | tg | and what determines which would be shown? |
| 01:03.07 | raster | but there is none as such |
| 01:03.13 | raster | it just stays with whatever you used last |
| 01:03.17 | raster | (as long as it runs) |
| 01:03.20 | tg | ah i see |
| 01:03.28 | raster | on a reboot - well... it goes back to Default.kbd |
| 01:03.29 | raster | :) |
| 01:03.57 | tg | and if i only need one type is it possible to remove those two icons on the top? |
| 01:04.06 | tg | like they take up too much space |
| 01:04.19 | tg | the type selection and dict selection icon |
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| 01:07.39 | raster | you need that region for the buffer when composing for the dictionary |
| 01:07.52 | raster | as such though those things are in the theme - it defines that layout |
| 01:08.07 | raster | the keyboard "Expects" those features to be there to attach configuration/actions to |
| 01:08.19 | raster | u can modify the them to remove it |
| 01:08.27 | raster | u will still have a blank spot for ths compose buffer |
| 01:08.36 | raster | u can remove that - though illume ASSUMES it |
| 01:08.36 | tg | where's that theme exactly? |
| 01:08.38 | raster | it doesnt check |
| 01:08.47 | raster | the illume.edj |
| 01:08.54 | raster | or whatever.edj file your e config says to use |
| 01:10.01 | tg | how do i edit that? |
| 01:10.28 | raster | edje_decc |
| 01:10.30 | raster | decompile it |
| 01:10.33 | raster | edit .edc file |
| 01:10.38 | raster | its fairly involved |
| 01:10.53 | tg | ok thx |
| 01:11.39 | tg | another question |
| 01:12.15 | tg | in minimo when clicking some toolbar buttons at the bottom the keyboard shows up |
| 01:12.22 | tg | any ideas how to prevent that? |
| 01:12.57 | tg | or is it possible to generally disable auto show? |
| 01:13.05 | raster | no code to disable it generally |
| 01:13.13 | raster | minimo sends a message to ask for the keyboard |
| 01:13.16 | raster | illume responds |
| 01:13.25 | raster | it doesn thave any config to go ingoring autoshow |
| 01:13.36 | tg | i see |
| 01:15.13 | raster | i have a TODO item for that |
| 01:15.19 | raster | i just dopnt have time now to look into it |
| 01:15.22 | tg | ok |
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| 01:24.23 | shaz | Hi guys |
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| 01:25.44 | KenYoung | Hi shaz |
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| 01:34.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re05a36c5dba7 10/packages/ (14 files in 6 dirs): [PackageVersion] Remove the abuse from the PV variable |
| 01:34.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re88f00c21025 10/ (17 files in 12 dirs): [naming policy] If we build a specific revision from a SCM have a "r" after the SCM name |
| 01:36.41 | shaz | Hi KenYoung |
| 01:37.39 | shaz | I used latest qtopia image on qemu but it boots into but nothing works after getting the main screen |
| 01:38.11 | shaz | How can I know what are the other latest and working snapshot/images |
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| 01:44.23 | shaz | I mean the main screen of Qtopia |
| 01:44.50 | shaz | I click on buttons and here and there :) but it just responds with no activity |
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| 01:54.40 | slaxxin | r /etc/resolv.conf needs to be pointed at /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
| 01:54.49 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.57 | Jacen | Evenin'! |
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| 03:14.58 | Jacen | Wazzup? ;D |
| 03:18.43 | pjz | anyone have any hints on SDcard corruption? |
| 03:18.50 | pjz | is there a fix yet? |
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| 03:21.00 | Jacen | Anyone interested in purchasing a used Freerunner (850 version)? |
| 03:28.36 | shaz | hi |
| 03:28.48 | shaz | Anybody ever encountered the following dependancy problem: 'openmoko-today2', 'dbus-glib', 'dbus-glib-native', 'dbus-native', 'dbus-native-x11' ??? |
| 03:29.07 | shaz | I did make openmoko-devel-image |
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| 04:02.29 | rafa | hello people |
| 04:02.38 | ieatlint | wheee.. earthquake in sf |
| 04:03.20 | rafa | if somebody would like to try duke nukem 3d on openmoko neo : http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/ |
| 04:03.33 | rafa | it is a simple port and you can use the accelerometer to play :) |
| 04:04.06 | pjz | anyone had any trouble with their micrsd getting corrupted? |
| 04:04.10 | pjz | is there a fix for it? |
| 04:05.01 | rafa | pjz, what kind of corrupted are you speaking about? File system corruptions? |
| 04:05.06 | pjz | rafa: yeah |
| 04:05.49 | pjz | rafa: any serious amount of i/o seems to cause it |
| 04:05.58 | pjz | rafa: like downloading a 30mb file |
| 04:06.08 | rafa | well, sometimes my system freezes... so I try to have read only mounted file systems. But yes, I use the microsd and sometimes I need to fsck from PC |
| 04:06.15 | pjz | rafa: or even copying from /tmp |
| 04:06.22 | rafa | fsck=fsck.ext2 (because I use ext2 on microsd) |
| 04:06.33 | pjz | nods. me too |
| 04:07.40 | rafa | well ext2 is stable and I don't think so that there are problems with i/o.. Does your system crash or freeze sometimes? if so, then that could be the problem |
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| 04:09.51 | ieatlint | so yay, 4.0 earthquake |
| 04:11.55 | Sargun_Screen | ieatlint: you felt it too? |
| 04:13.30 | ieatlint | yep, i think everyone did |
| 04:13.45 | pjz | rafa: nope, no problem crashing or freezing, also I can observe this corruption occurring |
| 04:13.53 | ieatlint | http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc51207740.html |
| 04:14.18 | Sargun_Screen | ieatlint: neato! |
| 04:14.23 | ieatlint | it wasn't on a high-risk fault (neither the san andrea or the hayward fault), centred in the east bay, contra costa county |
| 04:15.08 | pjz | rafa: if I copy in a file via scp and write it to /tmp, it works fine. same file, copied straight to a microSD parition, gets corrupted (md5sums differ). even just trying to copy that same file from /tmp/ to th emicrosd card results in yet a different md5sum from the microSD version if read afterward |
| 04:15.32 | rafa | pjz. how do you discover that there is a corruption?... you do a fsck sometimes manually? |
| 04:15.34 | pjz | rafa: no rebootes or anything mixed into that sequnce that could cause badness due to unclean shutdown |
| 04:17.22 | pjz | it's not the usb cable b/c copying to /tmp/ works fine |
| 04:17.33 | pjz | (verified md5sums identical to the host pc) |
| 04:18.00 | pjz | my guess is it's yet another case of 'blame glamo' |
| 04:22.37 | pjz | anyone got a link to the fso dialy builds handy? |
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| 04:42.11 | pjz | tries a different kernel |
| 04:42.16 | pjz | hopefuly a more up-to-date one |
| 04:43.33 | pjz | anyone doing any app dev on fso ? |
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| 04:49.15 | pjz | woo, kernel upgrade to latest stable fixed it. fun. |
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| 04:51.56 | ulix | hello |
| 04:52.04 | ulix | any body there? |
| 04:52.42 | ulix | well could some one tell me how to change the dim time of the freerunner |
| 04:52.45 | ulix | please |
| 04:57.31 | pjz | dim time? |
| 04:57.41 | pjz | oh, you mean blank time |
| 04:57.44 | pjz | what distro? |
| 04:57.57 | slaxxin | factory? |
| 04:57.58 | pjz | qtopia? fso? 2008.8 ? 2007.2 ? |
| 04:58.21 | slaxxin | debian |
| 05:07.02 | slaxxin | gosh pjz u ran em off |
| 05:07.24 | undrwater | slaxxin: no...i think it was your fault |
| 05:07.41 | slaxxin | im trying the debian install for the 4th time |
| 05:08.11 | undrwater | i'm trying to fix mine ;) |
| 05:08.23 | slaxxin | surly it doesn't matter what size the sd card is |
| 05:08.52 | slaxxin | mine stops at downloading the kernel |
| 05:08.57 | undrwater | of course not...28mb should be enough |
| 05:09.10 | slaxxin | well |
| 05:10.00 | slaxxin | 28 megs would be very good |
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| 05:10.28 | slaxxin | the debian ir really big right? |
| 05:11.05 | undrwater | i believe it took a few hunnerd mb |
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| 05:12.40 | pjz | once fit debian onto a 32mb flash card |
| 05:12.42 | pjz | back in the day |
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| 05:15.18 | undrwater | anyone have a recommendation for a good wm / de for a tablet pc? |
| 05:17.14 | pjz | find one that was dev'd for that purpose |
| 05:17.19 | cjb | runs GNOME on his. *shrug* |
| 05:17.49 | undrwater | pjz: i was thinking matchbox |
| 05:18.14 | undrwater | my primary customer is giving me his old tablet |
| 05:18.53 | Sargun_Screen | UGeahfiouwajdpawdkjwaoidjwahoiudfhfcq3w8d0uWIU09AdsQS |
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| 05:21.18 | slaxxin | or just "stage kernel" |
| 05:22.28 | slaxxin | to restart the debian installer what is the command to start at kernel? |
| 05:23.41 | pjz | undrwater: what processor, how much ram? |
| 05:23.48 | pjz | undrwater: matchbox is nice for teeny boxes |
| 05:24.14 | pjz | undrwater: anything real though you can run X on |
| 05:24.58 | undrwater | pjz: i think p3 with about 512 |
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| 05:26.00 | undrwater | i'm also thinking one of the *boxes |
| 05:32.55 | slaxxin | http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/system/x10r4/doc/mann/xwm.n |
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| 05:37.41 | slaxxin | http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/wm2/ |
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| 05:38.47 | slaxxin | http://xwinman.org/wm2.php |
| 05:39.19 | slaxxin | wm2 is ok |
| 05:39.49 | undrwater | slaxxin: appreciated |
| 05:39.53 | undrwater | you've used it? |
| 05:41.07 | slaxxin | no its just very small |
| 05:41.16 | slaxxin | i use xwm |
| 05:41.57 | slaxxin | slackware likes fast an lean |
| 05:42.26 | slaxxin | i need to find somebody intrested in a slackware port |
| 05:43.00 | undrwater | for the OM? |
| 05:47.03 | Kagee | How do i activate ssh over Wlan ? |
| 05:47.14 | cjb | Kagee: it's already activated. ssh root@wlanip |
| 05:47.48 | Kagee | connection refused |
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| 05:50.15 | Kagee | I think they deactivatet it a little time ago |
| 05:50.29 | cjb | oh, I guess root without a password is a pretty bad idea |
| 05:50.53 | Kagee | no password? not even SIM PIN? |
| 05:51.08 | slaxxin | can i run the phone as a reguler user? |
| 05:51.32 | Kagee | no ide how i can active it? |
| 05:55.07 | pjz | Kagee: the ssh daemon is called dropbear. you need to configure it to listen to eth0 again if that's what you turned off |
| 05:55.28 | Kagee | i didn't turn it of |
| 05:55.47 | pjz | Kagee: then it should be turned on and you should be able to ssh to it |
| 05:56.07 | Kagee | *sure ? |
| 05:57.49 | undrwater | Kagee: what are you running? what image? |
| 05:58.04 | Kagee | 2008.8-Update (ASU) |
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| 05:58.32 | undrwater | have you updated since flash? |
| 05:58.50 | Kagee | No, but i flashed it today |
| 05:59.01 | Kagee | and there were no updates |
| 05:59.25 | slaxxin | current then |
| 05:59.45 | pjz | Kagee: well, does eth0 have an IP address? |
| 05:59.47 | undrwater | dmesg shows? on pc |
| 05:59.56 | Jozo | Kagee: Look at /etc/default/dropbear or something |
| 06:01.17 | Kagee | pjz: Yes, and i can ping it |
| 06:02.07 | undrwater | unplug / replug? |
| 06:02.39 | pjz | Kagee: and dropbear is running? |
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| 06:03.10 | Kagee | I think so. The terminal is'nt were useful (awfoul keyboard) |
| 06:03.35 | undrwater | yep...till you install raster's |
| 06:03.56 | Kagee | But there it locked up - i'll continue when i get to a proper computer (non-win) |
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| 06:04.42 | undrwater | you're using putty? |
| 06:05.05 | Kagee | I just tried it here because i want to try to install duke-nukem. Yeah, but i'll have usb cabels, linux, all i need in a couple of hours. |
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| 06:32.52 | bubak | hi, i just bought openmoko freerunner and a weekend to play with it before me :) i was just able to flash the om2008.8 image and install some apps, but nothing more,i have a few questions and would be gracefull for comments: |
| 06:32.53 | bubak | 1. from time to time there is a CPU hungry gpe process with no apparent reason (all the apps are shutdown) and openmoko of course is very slow to use? |
| 06:32.53 | bubak | 2. is there any way, that illume keyboard is able to start in 'terminal view'? |
| 06:32.53 | bubak | 3. now im reading the AUDIO from the wiki to understand it, but what happens to me is that (i use openmoko headphones with micro) that both the phone's speaker and the headphones play the sound. (i primarrilly bought headphones as a worke arround for the echo problem -- but while the phone speaker is on, the echo is also on) -- anyone having the same difficulties? |
| 06:32.56 | bubak | 4. something related to #3 -- the phones play in mono -- i just located the various alsa .state files -- can the problem #3 and #4 be related -- that the phone is unable to set the proper alsa state file? |
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| 06:37.40 | kd8ikt | flipping open my laptop i'm debating whether or not to read the above lines |
| 06:38.01 | kd8ikt | i saw numerals and that kinda swayed me towards no |
| 06:38.31 | hil_ | hi all. i'm building the openmoko-browser2. This package requires webkit. I have two questions. 1) I can't find webkit on the svn for openmoko and 2) after I find it (and compile it), where do I put the compiled binaries on the host? (my toolchain is /usr/local/openmoko/) |
| 06:38.42 | hil_ | can anyone help me with this please? |
| 06:39.01 | kd8ikt | oh that.. u using bitbake or the toolchain |
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| 06:40.05 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Installing_additional_libraries_into_the_toolchain <--- does that help? |
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| 06:40.20 | hil_ | lemme check kd8ikt |
| 06:40.26 | hil_ | (i'm using toolchain btw) |
| 06:40.27 | kd8ikt | --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr |
| 06:40.35 | kd8ikt | ---^ |
| 06:40.55 | kd8ikt | the wiki is teh bomb |
| 06:41.10 | hil_ | hnn... that might. |
| 06:41.14 | hil_ | thinks |
| 06:41.35 | hil_ | but do i need a webkit from openmoko or can I get it from the official webkit site? |
| 06:43.47 | kd8ikt | i'd think... (pulls shit out of his arse) that the openmooko "sources" might be best cause they "might" be confoobulated and patched for openmoko specifics then again you "might" get the latest from the main... tree |
| 06:44.33 | kd8ikt | either or... you can probably 'make uninstall'... |
| 06:44.47 | hil_ | lol.... thanks. I'll try the main ... tree and if that doesn't work, i'll try to find the openmoko version |
| 06:45.41 | kd8ikt | cheers |
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| 06:45.49 | kd8ikt | i'll drink to that |
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| 06:46.24 | kd8ikt | as he says the clock strikes 02:45 |
| 06:47.49 | kd8ikt | or is it "he says as " the clock strikes |
| 06:49.05 | hil_ | is that in the noon or night? |
| 06:49.11 | hil_ | :) |
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| 06:49.28 | kd8ikt | only military time starts with a 0 in the morning |
| 06:49.49 | kd8ikt | 07:00 0:930 |
| 06:49.57 | kd8ikt | 09:30* |
| 06:50.10 | kd8ikt | 14:00 |
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| 06:51.08 | hil_ | and how does a clock "strike" 02:45 |
| 06:51.25 | kd8ikt | heh ya got me there |
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| 06:57.35 | slaxxin | its an old clock |
| 06:58.36 | slaxxin | maybe its an old factory clock |
| 06:58.57 | kd8ikt | yeah dings on every 5 min |
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| 06:59.26 | slaxxin | for factory worker breaks |
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| 07:04.38 | Wonka | why the *bleep* does debian's frameworkd package depend on the -bad gst plugins? |
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| 07:25.45 | hil_ | This is just great! I just want a browser and I've beendownloading off webkit svn for half an hour... and this doesn't even include the building |
| 07:25.51 | hil_ | and the second building |
| 07:26.49 | bumbl | get a faster inet connection or donate a faster server/more bandwith to the webkit team |
| 07:27.21 | hil_ | i'm not blaming webkit or my internet.. i just mean that a simple browser should be simple to build |
| 07:27.32 | hil_ | why can't they base it on a simpler engine :'( |
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| 07:29.14 | bumbl | hil_: webkit is already the most simple solution |
| 07:30.21 | hil_ | bumbl: question: have you built webkit for openmoko? i'm just downloading but have no idea if it would compile or if i'll need an openmoko patched webkit source. do you have any idea about this/ |
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| 07:31.16 | Zoup | do you know any way to directly conncet mediaplayer2 to alsa ? |
| 07:31.55 | bumbl | hil_: no; but openmoko has a webkit browser |
| 07:32.10 | hil_ | yes. browser2. it requires webkit to be separately built |
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| 07:36.37 | bubak | i have located two alsa .state file -- the gsmheadset.state and headset.state -- one is for listening to music (stereo output), the second for gsm via headset -- but the phone will not automatically load the appropriate one. is there a way how to arrange it -- for example im listening? |
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| 07:37.19 | bubak | * arrange it? # ignore the rest of the line pls |
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| 07:59.13 | bubak | is it normal, that gpe process take 77% CPU after an hour of normal running (starting/stopping application, making calls)? |
| 08:00.01 | slaxxin | that would be why the battery runs down |
| 08:00.44 | slaxxin | maybe accessing the sdcard all day long |
| 08:04.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | slaxxin, isnt that a silly question? all sorts of things use battery power |
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| 08:09.27 | F4t | i just managed to boot using powersupply only, and save battery :) |
| 08:14.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1967: [kernel] image and modules not in sync ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1967 ) |
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| 08:23.03 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:58.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * ra79873ad595d 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): Prepared for release 0.5 |
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| 09:12.20 | Deubeuliou | hi |
| 09:12.59 | Deubeuliou | I got a kernel panic with the distrib on my SD card and the one on the hdd fails booting |
| 09:13.18 | Deubeuliou | I noticed a sort of "bridge" between two pins of the SD card slot |
| 09:13.43 | Deubeuliou | Does anyone have that too, or is mine broken ? :( |
| 09:13.54 | leinirAWAY | No, that's actually a fix in itself :) |
| 09:14.10 | leinirAWAY | It's the GPS fix, that you might've heard about :) |
| 09:14.14 | Deubeuliou | aha, so it's normal ? ok |
| 09:14.22 | Deubeuliou | more or less |
| 09:14.49 | leinirAWAY | Actually it's abnormal, but it's really good :) |
| 09:15.06 | leinirAWAY | Well, it's normal now, i guess *giggles* the first few shipments didn't have the fix :) |
| 09:15.19 | Deubeuliou | mmmh |
| 09:15.33 | Kensan | Good morning |
| 09:15.35 | Deubeuliou | ok, I'l try with a fresh distrib on my card |
| 09:15.37 | Deubeuliou | hi kennyz |
| 09:15.43 | Deubeuliou | Kensan, :p |
| 09:15.47 | leinirAWAY | 'lo Kensan *curtsies* :) |
| 09:17.15 | Kensan | I have a question about openembedded: why does building qtopia-phone-x11 need some libs (like "libXext") from the host when linking the app? |
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| 09:17.56 | Kensan | Shouldn't the one from openembedded be used? |
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| 09:21.37 | Deubeuliou | oO.... Kernel panic - ,ot syncing VFS: Unable ro mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2) |
| 09:21.43 | Deubeuliou | whay does that mean ? :'( |
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| 09:22.19 | Deubeuliou | I reflashed my SD card but I still got this error |
| 09:22.42 | leinir | i get that one too... it's got something to do with uboot :) |
| 09:22.50 | Deubeuliou | oO |
| 09:22.57 | Deubeuliou | does that mean that I need a debug board ???? |
| 09:23.04 | leinir | No, no, that's GTA01 :) |
| 09:23.30 | leinir | There's two copies of uboot on the freerunner, one you can flash normally, and one you need a debug board for :) |
| 09:23.32 | Deubeuliou | All I did is giving my freerunner to a developper who plugged it on his computer ... |
| 09:23.43 | leinir | It essentially makes sure you can't brick a freerunner :) |
| 09:23.47 | Deubeuliou | ok |
| 09:23.52 | Deubeuliou | I got this error after uBoot |
| 09:24.04 | Deubeuliou | that splsh wasn't here |
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| 09:24.27 | leinir | *nods* Yup, but the fix sits in uboot - but i don't know it, i'm afraid :) |
| 09:24.28 | ieatlint | that is unlikely to be a uboot "error" |
| 09:24.45 | ieatlint | it could be uboot telling the kernel the rootfs is in the wrong place |
| 09:24.52 | Deubeuliou | none of my two distros bots |
| 09:25.01 | Deubeuliou | mmh |
| 09:25.13 | ieatlint | or it could be a corrupted rootfs ... or a kernel that is for some reason unable to read rootfs |
| 09:25.37 | Deubeuliou | it's a fresh reflash |
| 09:25.54 | Deubeuliou | with a rootfs and a uImage that used to work |
| 09:26.55 | ieatlint | how far into the boot does it get? |
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| 09:27.41 | Deubeuliou | I don't knoiw yet, let me take a look |
| 09:27.48 | Deubeuliou | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Suspend.2Fresume_corrupts_SD_card.27s_partition_table <-- could it be that ? |
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| 09:28.25 | Deubeuliou | Starts kernel |
| 09:28.43 | ieatlint | if you're booting off the sd card, it could be |
| 09:28.47 | Deubeuliou | unsupported opcodes |
| 09:29.02 | ieatlint | although as that page says, i believe there is a patch for it |
| 09:29.15 | Deubeuliou | and then, the panic. (the previous errors, I used to get them but they wasn't critical) |
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| 09:29.39 | Deubeuliou | ok, I'll try to rebuild the partition table |
| 09:30.17 | Deubeuliou | but It doesn't explain why the hdd distro doesn't boot ... and since the error is catched during the splash, I don't know what is it |
| 09:30.41 | ieatlint | hdd? |
| 09:31.18 | Deubeuliou | erm, I mean, the one on the very phone |
| 09:31.38 | Kensan | The NAND-Flash |
| 09:32.03 | ieatlint | there are several splash screens, so that's an ambigious description |
| 09:32.25 | ieatlint | the panic you're describing is, as the error plainly states, is due to its inability to read the rootfs |
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| 09:33.21 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: how does your uboot entry look like? |
| 09:35.24 | Deubeuliou | you mean, the screen that I get when booting bt pressing aux+power ? |
| 09:37.12 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: no, I mean when you connect to uboot via console how does the "menu_?" entry you are booting off look like? |
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| 09:38.19 | Deubeuliou | I did never do that |
| 09:38.22 | F4t | hey, can anyone help me with opkg, it always fails to download .sig files |
| 09:38.31 | F4t | which seem to be missing from the repository? :-/ |
| 09:38.42 | Kensan | F4t, IMHO no packages are signed yet |
| 09:38.47 | Deubeuliou | I'm rebuilding the partiotion table now, but gnome keeps mounting the partitions >< |
| 09:38.59 | Deubeuliou | so fdisk fails |
| 09:39.02 | F4t | it looks for .sig file of package list, not a specific package :-/ |
| 09:39.30 | F4t | Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig |
| 09:39.30 | F4t | Signature check failed |
| 09:39.52 | Kensan | F4t: yes, thats because there are no signatures for the packages in the repository. |
| 09:40.05 | Kensan | F4t: but you can install things, right? |
| 09:40.23 | F4t | i check for a package i see on the web, and it does not appear after "opkg update" |
| 09:41.42 | F4t | "opkg search *diversity*" returns nothing... :-/ |
| 09:41.59 | F4t | when it appears in http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/diversity-wifi-svn509.ipk |
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| 09:47.44 | Zoup | waht does this diversity wifi does ? |
| 09:48.13 | F4t | i have no idea, i just want to see it as avalible for installation fro opkg |
| 09:48.15 | F4t | from* |
| 09:50.07 | Tig|_ | Zoup: well I think it is supposed to detect wifi access points and thier approx direction and range but I don't think it works very well |
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| 09:52.04 | Deubeuliou | Kensan, I'm logged in the uBoot prompt |
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| 09:57.58 | Deubeuliou | Kensan, http://pastebin.com/m2b3f5470 |
| 09:59.06 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1968: MokoMakefile installed in dir with not trivial path does not work ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1968 ) |
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| 10:06.45 | F4t | hi, does anyone know whats the difference between armv4t and armv4tl, and is this the reason i get unmatching arch msgs from armv4t repository? |
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| 10:07.40 | harnir | hello |
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| 10:09.58 | RXShorty | hello all |
| 10:10.07 | RXShorty | which editor does Debian have in the terminal? |
| 10:12.12 | hil_ | RXShorty: it has vi |
| 10:12.19 | RXShorty | ahh thanks |
| 10:12.28 | hil_ | gave me some problems because i was used to fedora |
| 10:12.35 | hil_ | the keys don't quite work the same way |
| 10:12.35 | RXShorty | that is what I was searching for thanks hil |
| 10:12.39 | RXShorty | hmm |
| 10:12.49 | hil_ | maybe you can get emacs |
| 10:13.10 | RXShorty | emacs |
| 10:13.11 | RXShorty | hmm |
| 10:13.14 | RXShorty | is that better? |
| 10:13.27 | hil_ | much better IMO but much more difficult to use too |
| 10:13.36 | hil_ | you'll need a reference in the beginning :) |
| 10:14.03 | F4t | does anyone know why do i get "Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured" from opkg for armv4t packages? |
| 10:14.20 | RXShorty | hehe |
| 10:14.31 | RXShorty | well i am trying to get zhone of debian and run a normal x |
| 10:14.35 | RXShorty | but I need to edit a file |
| 10:14.46 | hil_ | vi should work |
| 10:14.47 | RXShorty | but vi opens it, but cannot change it |
| 10:15.01 | hil_ | hit INSERT after you open vi to start editting |
| 10:15.07 | hil_ | hit ESC to go back to command mode |
| 10:15.35 | RXShorty | ahhh |
| 10:15.36 | hil_ | then :wq <enter> to Write and Quit ... or :q! <enter>to Quit without saving! |
| 10:15.37 | RXShorty | sweet |
| 10:15.37 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: your microSD-Card has 2 partitions and the second one holds the rootfs which is ext2? |
| 10:16.06 | Kensan | RXShorty: http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html |
| 10:16.19 | hil_ | Kensan: much better :) |
| 10:16.34 | Deubeuliou | yes Kensan |
| 10:16.48 | Deubeuliou | I followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
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| 10:17.32 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: well it does seem fine so IMHO you are hitting some kind of bug or corruption issue... |
| 10:17.36 | Deubeuliou | ("Prepare SD Card" and "Populate SD Card" |
| 10:17.55 | RXShorty | thanks Kensan |
| 10:18.23 | Deubeuliou | How can I see the full boot of the 2007.2 ? I mean, w/o the splash before X |
| 10:18.36 | Kensan | RXShorty: I will pass it on to google ;) |
| 10:18.51 | Deubeuliou | oh, btw, I have a new kernel panic |
| 10:19.00 | Deubeuliou | much later than the previous one |
| 10:19.12 | Deubeuliou | something like: |
| 10:19.20 | RXShorty | heheeh |
| 10:19.36 | RXShorty | true... well i just needed to figure out which editor it used |
| 10:19.37 | Deubeuliou | VFS: unable to read device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 10:19.54 | Deubeuliou | then, it gives me a list of availbes "root=" options |
| 10:20.22 | Kensan | RXShorty: well this one might be even better: http://www.sm.luth.se/csee/courses/smd/139/smd139_vi.pdf |
| 10:22.34 | harnir | I've repacked qtopia 4.3.3 jffs2 to tar.gz, is there a place I can put it for everyone to download? |
| 10:22.52 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: sorry for asking again: but what did you do before the kernel panics started to appear? |
| 10:23.04 | Deubeuliou | 2 things |
| 10:23.12 | Deubeuliou | I did an opkg upgrade |
| 10:23.21 | RXShorty | checking now |
| 10:23.21 | Deubeuliou | directly on the phone, not ssh'ed in |
| 10:24.07 | Deubeuliou | second, I handed my FR to a Bearstech dev while at a meeting: He used it to show people the rootfs |
| 10:24.25 | Deubeuliou | I didn't see all what he did, but I guess nothing nasty |
| 10:24.43 | Deubeuliou | (I hope) |
| 10:24.45 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: after you upgraded it still booted? |
| 10:25.19 | Deubeuliou | mmmmh .... I think so ... I'm not certain whether I rebooted or not, but I think I did |
| 10:25.37 | Deubeuliou | yes, I did... in order to check if the keyboard would come back |
| 10:25.53 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: and you reflashed the microSD-Card while trying to solve the problem? |
| 10:26.44 | Deubeuliou | Yes, I even rebuilt the partition table .... but I'm not sure whether it worked well: Gnome-automounting mounts the SD card while using fdisk |
| 10:26.54 | Deubeuliou | May I turn it off and retry ? |
| 10:27.10 | Deubeuliou | s/may/should |
| 10:29.07 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: well I would try to figure out where the cause of the problem is. Otherwise you poke around and don't remember what you did to get it fixed. |
| 10:29.57 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: Is there a way for you to "pastebin" the error message? |
| 10:30.32 | Deubeuliou | I can write them by hand |
| 10:30.55 | Deubeuliou | or is there a way to receive all what is prompted in a terminal ? |
| 10:30.57 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: hm... that's a bit of a hassle for you :( |
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| 10:31.03 | Deubeuliou | trough any connection ? |
| 10:31.16 | Deubeuliou | it is less than 10 lines |
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| 10:33.29 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: I guess it's possibly to tell the kernel to log to the "serial console" with some uboot-foo to pipe out over usb but I have no idea how that's done. |
| 10:33.38 | Kensan | possible |
| 10:34.02 | Deubeuliou | just after I boot, the uboot turns the connection (with cu) off |
| 10:34.46 | Deubeuliou | uBoot is a kind of Grub, isn't it ? |
| 10:35.03 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: it is the bootloader, yes. |
| 10:35.22 | Deubeuliou | ... maybe I can take a picture ? ^^ |
| 10:35.35 | Deubeuliou | okok, I'll just write the error down |
| 10:36.08 | Deubeuliou | oO' I fucked the args up :p |
| 10:37.03 | Deubeuliou | I hope uBoot didn't stored them |
| 10:37.28 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: as long as you don't tell it to "saveenv" you should be safe. |
| 10:38.24 | RXShorty | hey guys... |
| 10:38.27 | RXShorty | thanks it worked! |
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| 10:40.17 | Deubeuliou | oooo it looks like my 2007.2 is closely able to boot.... xinit fails, but I don't get any kernel panic. I reboot and retry to boot the 2008.8(SD card) |
| 10:41.57 | Deubeuliou | Ok, I got the panic |
| 10:42.06 | Deubeuliou | (but I was in the Nand-Boot ... strange) |
| 10:43.24 | Deubeuliou | Kensan, the first line is EXT2-fs mmcblk0p2 couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4). |
| 10:43.35 | Deubeuliou | do you want the followings ? |
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| 10:44.08 | b0ib0t | hi |
| 10:44.24 | b0ib0t | i downloaded 08.8 and it only has a settings button, and nothing else! wtf? |
| 10:44.37 | b0ib0t | it is daily snapshot |
| 10:45.22 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: maybe it is an ext3 partition? Could that cause such trouble? |
| 10:47.38 | Deubeuliou | oh, yes ... you may be right ! |
| 10:47.49 | Deubeuliou | actually, it IS an ext3 |
| 10:49.54 | Kensan | Deubeuliou: then rootfstype should be ext3 in uboot. |
| 10:50.41 | Deubeuliou | (I just checked and it appears that I have no uImage.bin on my SD card oO') .... I killed gnome-vfs-deamon |
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| 10:54.18 | Deubeuliou | I come back in 3 minutes |
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| 11:00.40 | swc|666 | smacks himself in the face with a large trout |
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| 11:19.13 | Xecuter | hi guys! just got my phone today! :D |
| 11:19.17 | Xecuter | i love it :D |
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| 11:19.54 | Xecuter | but where is the terminal in 2008.8? |
| 11:21.23 | mpr | doesn't have one installed by default, you can find xterm from the installer |
| 11:21.48 | igor321 | duke nukem 3d? fuck yeah |
| 11:22.25 | Xecuter | mpr, can't find anything in the installer |
| 11:22.35 | mpr | do you have a net connection? |
| 11:22.42 | Xecuter | says that it can't find any repos |
| 11:22.47 | Xecuter | probably not |
| 11:23.07 | phrozen77 | <NewsBot> [OpenMoko] Valério Valério: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko played with accelerometers ( http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=164 ) |
| 11:23.17 | mpr | enable wlan from the settings or configure usb networking w/ wiki instructions |
| 11:23.22 | malik1972 | phrozen77: yeah, thats cool |
| 11:23.51 | nyu | is that the free version of the semi-free one? |
| 11:25.01 | VDVsx | Duke nukem 3d is GPL now |
| 11:25.09 | lindi- | with graphics too? |
| 11:25.42 | VDVsx | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/02/2359230 |
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| 11:26.57 | lindi- | i wouldn't trust /. :) |
| 11:28.20 | nyu | I recall there was a version, I think the "iccubus" or something, which was non-free |
| 11:28.55 | nyu | I mean the code itself, not the graphics |
| 11:29.11 | lindi- | is there some free alternative graphics? |
| 11:29.54 | nyu | not that I know of |
| 11:30.03 | nyu | but if the code is non-free to being with... |
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| 11:30.59 | cga | hi all, what's the 2008 status???? can it make calls and sms?? i'm fed up with qtopia... is boring!!! (but at least it works as a phone) |
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| 11:35.38 | lindi- | too many question marks :) |
| 11:35.55 | b0ib0t | halp |
| 11:36.04 | b0ib0t | what 08.8 image do i want? |
| 11:36.29 | admiral0 | i agree with cga... using qtopia=bore to death |
| 11:36.45 | b0ib0t | admiral0, what distro you running? |
| 11:36.53 | mpr | b0ib0t: raster's is better than the original |
| 11:36.57 | admiral0 | qtopia |
| 11:37.00 | mpr | haven't tried the most recent ones |
| 11:37.08 | admiral0 | b0ib0t: it sucks |
| 11:37.49 | b0ib0t | is 08,8 pretty good? |
| 11:38.16 | mpr | I'd say having a recent 2008.08 on the internal flash and debian on the sd is a fairly good combo |
| 11:38.34 | mpr | at least if you're looking for a dev environment and not a working phone |
| 11:39.11 | b0ib0t | i want working phone on internal, and dev environment on sdkard |
| 11:39.15 | mpr | (and if you're just looking for a working phone then freerunner might not have been the best choice at this stage :) |
| 11:39.19 | cga | is looking for a working phone |
| 11:39.31 | admiral0 | mpr: qtopia works |
| 11:39.47 | mpr | I guess the qtopia stuff is "working" in some sense of the work, haven't tried it myself |
| 11:39.56 | mpr | s/work/word/ |
| 11:40.08 | b0ib0t | so, qtopia == every day phone, and debian == fun |
| 11:40.23 | mpr | apt: no I didn't :) |
| 11:40.33 | cga | mpr: word up! |
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| 11:41.17 | mpr | b0ib0t: debian has more comprehensive libraries etc. which is nice for development, but doesn't have a packaged illume yet |
| 11:41.17 | cga | Zorkman: !!! |
| 11:41.57 | mpr | which is why the 2008.08 on internal flash is nice, then you can use that and run stuff in chroot with the debian libraries etc. :) |
| 11:44.55 | b0ib0t | this might be a dumb question, but in 07.2, on the crappy keyboard they give for term, how do i do slashes and double quotes? |
| 11:45.49 | b0ib0t | ?? |
| 11:47.35 | nyu | I use copy & paste |
| 11:47.36 | nyu | for slashes |
| 11:48.14 | b0ib0t | =/ |
| 11:48.19 | mpr | raster's image has a decent keyboard, use that. :) |
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| 11:48.38 | b0ib0t | what is rasters image? |
| 11:48.41 | b0ib0t | and where do i get it? |
| 11:49.06 | mpr | it's a modified 2008.08 |
| 11:49.21 | b0ib0t | sounds neat |
| 11:49.23 | b0ib0t | url? |
| 11:49.37 | mpr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:50.09 | b0ib0t | downloading now |
| 11:50.12 | b0ib0t | ^^ |
| 11:50.17 | b0ib0t | bbl gotta take the cat to the vet |
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| 12:03.09 | Xecuter | ok so i got internet through usb, i can ping google an stuff, but i can't download packages |
| 12:03.12 | Xecuter | how come? |
| 12:04.13 | mpr | you can ping with a domain name and not just using ip addresses? |
| 12:04.21 | bubak | opkg update does nothing? |
| 12:04.56 | Xecuter | can ping both www.google.com and the ip... |
| 12:04.57 | mpr | for me the installer found the repositories as soon as I had net working and a dns server added at /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:05.06 | Xecuter | yes it did |
| 12:05.16 | mpr | oh |
| 12:05.19 | mpr | but download fails? |
| 12:05.29 | Xecuter | but when i try to install the browser, it sais packages can't be downloaded |
| 12:05.36 | mpr | hmm |
| 12:05.43 | mpr | just for the browser or for any package? |
| 12:05.45 | bubak | try wget |
| 12:05.50 | Xecuter | any package |
| 12:05.56 | bubak | for example wget www.google.com |
| 12:06.06 | mpr | which 2008.08 image do you have? |
| 12:06.14 | Xecuter | dunno :P |
| 12:06.18 | Xecuter | how do i check? |
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| 12:06.38 | mpr | w/ raster's 2008.08 the installer works for me |
| 12:06.44 | mpr | where did you get it?-) |
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| 12:07.12 | Xecuter | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ |
| 12:08.43 | mpr | k.. maybe someone else knows more about the recent official builds, I've just used the installer on the raster image |
| 12:09.07 | Xecuter | whats that? |
| 12:09.12 | Xecuter | unstable? |
| 12:09.17 | Xecuter | or stable? |
| 12:09.37 | mpr | see the url 20 minutes back |
| 12:09.50 | mpr | none of those, raster's own modified build of 2008.08 |
| 12:09.57 | mpr | not provided by openmoko |
| 12:10.04 | Xecuter | is it stable then? |
| 12:10.45 | mpr | well probably as stable as any 2008.08 available at the moment :) |
| 12:10.50 | Xecuter | im planing on using the openmoko as my main phone, so i want stable software ;) |
| 12:10.54 | Xecuter | ok |
| 12:10.55 | fuzzdk | I have been away for two weeks. What would be best upgrading my 2007.02 or change to 2008.08? |
| 12:11.01 | Xecuter | but thats good |
| 12:11.28 | fuzzdk | I just want it to be stable in 3-4 month from now |
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| 12:11.50 | bubak | does the raster's image contain the echo fix? and is the echo fix really echo fix? |
| 12:12.17 | mpr | what's the echo fix, haven't been paying close attention to the mailing lists? |
| 12:12.30 | mpr | oh, you mean speaker echo |
| 12:12.34 | mpr | dunno |
| 12:12.39 | bubak | i mean speaker echo, yes |
| 12:12.42 | mpr | haven't used my freerunners as phones :P |
| 12:12.48 | bubak | :) |
| 12:13.15 | Dave | hmm |
| 12:14.26 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 12:15.14 | Xecuter | mpr, should i also flash kernel? |
| 12:15.57 | Dave | XORA |
| 12:15.59 | mpr | yeah |
| 12:16.13 | mpr | or at least I did since it's provided along with the root image |
| 12:16.23 | mpr | some other kernel might work if you're lucky :) |
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| 12:17.17 | Dave | Dear < >, running you application for 24 hours caused my battery to explode. Thank you. |
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| 12:18.17 | nyu | Dave: we got signal |
| 12:18.57 | Dave | Oh, DID you now? |
| 12:19.11 | nyu | for great justice =) |
| 12:19.29 | Dave | take off every freerunner? |
| 12:19.41 | Dave | because they're broken and function properly? |
| 12:19.42 | Dave | :] |
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| 12:20.14 | nyu | somebody set us up the bomb in your battery |
| 12:20.21 | Dave | D: |
| 12:20.27 | Dave | TERRORISTS WIN!? D: |
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| 12:21.36 | Dave | bricode |
| 12:21.45 | nyu | btf-8 |
| 12:22.20 | Dave | :p |
| 12:22.54 | nyu | :q! |
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| 12:28.51 | apollo13 | hey is there some kind of shell installed on om2008.8 by default (don't wont to flash it again), cause network gets down at some point and I can't get it working without a shell :/ |
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| 12:29.24 | mpr | not by default, but you can install xterm via the installer |
| 12:29.37 | Xecuter | apollo13, think you have to install it, but you can ssh to your phone from your computer |
| 12:29.38 | apollo13 | ... hard without network :/ |
| 12:29.43 | apollo13 | I can't |
| 12:29.55 | Xecuter | dont have the usb-cable? |
| 12:29.58 | apollo13 | I have |
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| 12:30.03 | apollo13 | but the connection drops |
| 12:30.12 | apollo13 | It only works the first time |
| 12:30.19 | apollo13 | flashed twice alredy :/ |
| 12:30.27 | mpr | drops when the image suspends? |
| 12:30.30 | mpr | or something else? |
| 12:30.42 | lindi- | image suspends? |
| 12:30.52 | apollo13 | could be |
| 12:30.58 | mpr | 2008.08 suspends after 30 seconds by default |
| 12:30.59 | apollo13 | I disabled suspend for now |
| 12:31.17 | apollo13 | still can't login or ping |
| 12:31.20 | apollo13 | maybe a reboot helps |
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| 12:32.32 | bubak | apollo13: firewall? |
| 12:32.41 | sylar | hi, is there any news about om 2008.9? |
| 12:32.52 | apollo13 | bubak: not on my desktop |
| 12:33.30 | apollo13 | how to reboot 2008.8? |
| 12:33.43 | mpr | hold the power key down for a bit |
| 12:33.57 | apollo13 | no reaction |
| 12:34.05 | mpr | a bit longer :) |
| 12:34.39 | apollo13 | maybe the 2008.8 update wasn't such a good idea |
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| 12:34.56 | apollo13 | waiting for fso milestone 3 ;) |
| 12:35.25 | Dave | mofomoko |
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| 12:39.02 | Dave | :o |
| 12:39.24 | sylar | news about 2008.9? |
| 12:39.45 | lindi- | slaxxin: how does the debian install "fail to download the kernel"? |
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| 12:42.19 | Xecuter | all right i've flasheed |
| 12:42.34 | Xecuter | where is the backspace button? |
| 12:42.47 | Xecuter | and how do i get numbers in the keyboard? |
| 12:42.57 | mpr | click the icon in the upper right corner and select terminal keyboard |
| 12:43.09 | mpr | to get a full keyboard |
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| 12:43.22 | Xecuter | aah |
| 12:43.24 | Xecuter | thanks |
| 12:43.41 | apollo13 | should I use Om2008.8-update or the normal one? |
| 12:44.00 | mpr | I'm recommending raster's version to everyone :P |
| 12:44.16 | bumbl | I'm recommending fso to everyone |
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| 12:44.24 | mpr | better keyboard etc. than the official images |
| 12:44.59 | mpr | bumbl: I meant within 2008.08 variations |
| 12:45.17 | bumbl | oh |
| 12:45.26 | mpr | fso vs. 2008.08 is another story and fso is the future etcetc, yeah :) |
| 12:45.27 | Xecuter | can i get a norwegian keyboard? :P |
| 12:45.28 | sylar | mpr: fso is better of qtopia? |
| 12:45.48 | bumbl | I tried to like 2008.8 but I don't succeded |
| 12:46.04 | mpr | Xecuter: yeah, raster had instructions for configuring the keyb layout in the maling lists somewhere |
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| 12:48.04 | mpr | sylar: depends, qtopia might be better right now if you just want something that can make phonecalls |
| 12:48.22 | mpr | but fso seems to be the direction where future development is headed |
| 12:48.30 | sylar | 2008.8 is really too slow, fso is faster? |
| 12:48.33 | Zogg | any way to manually import contacts from SIM on openmoko-contacts (running it under ASU) ? |
| 12:48.46 | mpr | I haven't noticed 2008.08 being slow |
| 12:49.15 | mpr | 2007.2 had some weird cpy-hogging background processes |
| 12:49.16 | Zogg | 08' contacts are barely usable |
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| 13:09.46 | Xecuter | installing things is really slow |
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| 13:14.24 | apollo13 | where do I get libjack from? (for navit) |
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| 13:17.39 | mpr | from debian repositories if you're using a debian image, otherwise build your own? |
| 13:17.43 | dPeS | i found some strange thing - fr takes the same amount of energy when lcd is dimmed and poweroff (qtopia - image 2.09) is it normal? |
| 13:18.48 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4631 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (15 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:18.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Lots of cleanup and a restructuring of the modules into a package. |
| 13:18.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: This means that this can now be used like any other Python package. |
| 13:18.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Also added the possibility to synthesize waveforms, and put this new |
| 13:18.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: feature to good use to debug the deglitcher. Finally, there are a few |
| 13:18.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: example scripts in demo/ The now obsolete examples under examples/ |
| 13:18.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: will be removed once they've been converted to more modern counterparts. |
| 13:20.22 | apollo13 | mpr: I though the armstrong repo would have it if it has navit... I'll see where I can find it |
| 13:20.39 | mpr | oh, might be |
| 13:21.27 | Xecuter | how can i install 2007.2 on the memory chip? |
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| 13:22.41 | dPeS | maybe the lcd module isnt't powered off properly? |
| 13:22.59 | Xecuter | im not very impressed with 2008.8 |
| 13:23.36 | dPeS | is there some place for energy efficient discusion? (maybe separate irc channel) |
| 13:23.49 | apollo13 | Xecuter: 2007.2 isn't that impressing either |
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| 13:24.09 | Xecuter | i liked it better then 2008.8 |
| 13:24.10 | mpr | Xecuter: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 13:24.41 | Xecuter | keyboards isnt very good |
| 13:25.42 | apollo13 | Xecuter: mine is |
| 13:26.26 | apollo13 | did you try the illumne (eg raster's) one? |
| 13:27.44 | lindi- | dPeS: what do you want to discuss? |
| 13:28.39 | Xecuter | yes |
| 13:30.11 | mpr | note that the kb switches back to the official 2008.08 one after you install something and you have to reboot/restart x to recover the illume one |
| 13:30.30 | Xecuter | aaah |
| 13:30.32 | Xecuter | thanks |
| 13:30.34 | Xecuter | ill try that |
| 13:31.00 | dPeS | apollo13: for e.g. that i've just wrote |
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| 13:31.21 | apollo13 | dPeS: hu? |
| 13:31.35 | dPeS | some energy saving topics... for like kernel settings etc |
| 13:32.15 | lindi- | dPeS: do you know python? |
| 13:32.54 | Gnutoo | hello, what's the procedure that can make phones calls with AT commands? because i've NO CARRIER as result of ATDmyphonenumber(i use a nozomi card...i don't know where else to ask) |
| 13:32.54 | dPeS | well i'm dev and also admin in private... know python for a while |
| 13:33.21 | lindi- | dPeS: how about writing a program that shows energy consumption history of the last 30 minutes or so graphically and also logs it to file? |
| 13:33.22 | Gnutoo | is there a website that gives the procedure...or mabe in the openmoko wiki history |
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| 13:33.54 | dPeS | well... afaik that program already exist |
| 13:34.04 | lindi- | dPeS: aha |
| 13:34.11 | dPeS | it's called... batmon.py |
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| 13:34.32 | dPeS | it's gtk app but i've changed it into console app in 5min |
| 13:34.49 | dPeS | it's simple - cut off 80% of code ;) |
| 13:35.04 | lindi- | dPeS: svn checkout svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/battery is empty |
| 13:36.15 | dPeS | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/batmon.py ? |
| 13:36.32 | lindi- | hmm, that seems to lack name of author |
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| 13:37.37 | dPeS | well it's gpl |
| 13:38.50 | dPeS | this code works pretty well... and shows when i'm not usb plugged in that my fr takes the same amount energy when lcd is powered off and when it's NOT |
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| 13:42.43 | Xecuter | anyone know where i can find a 2007.2 image? |
| 13:43.37 | lindi- | dPeS: yeah but i'd like to know who gives me permission to use it :) |
| 13:44.51 | Xecuter | i rebooted and no i get no gsm... |
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| 13:46.58 | ftnt | hi. is there anyway to use the gprs connection on 2008.8 taking into account that my sim card needs to enter the pin? pls |
| 13:48.31 | hipitihop | is there an enlightenment restart cli ? |
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| 13:55.01 | Openfree | is it possible Openmoko will adopt a high end Application processor, to replace s3c2442, I see TI omap3 serials are quite linux-friendly |
| 13:55.39 | Openfree | so to achieve high performance, i guess there will be a lot issues, not only techinical |
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| 13:56.18 | Openfree | www.beagleboard.org |
| 13:57.12 | lindi- | Openfree: that is probably not the right place to ask it |
| 13:57.49 | rwhitby | Openfree: omap3 user manuals are not public |
| 13:58.00 | Openfree | lindi-, I'm not asking, i'm just discussing about with people |
| 13:58.42 | b0ib0t | flashing the raster stuff to my freerunner now w00t |
| 13:58.51 | pb__ | Openfree: I guess anything is possible, but I would be surprised if openmoko switched to an omap3. It is hard to imagine that the extra performance would justify the cost. |
| 13:59.22 | rwhitby | let alone the fact that it's idealogically incompatible due to the user manuals not being public ... |
| 13:59.50 | pb__ | true, but isn't that also the case for the atheros wifi chip and the like? |
| 14:00.20 | pb__ | I thought the gta02 hardware was already not 100% publicly documented, but I could well be wrong about that |
| 14:00.48 | mjr | it's not |
| 14:00.54 | rwhitby | it is true, and I think they have a strong preference for cpu with public data manuals (which the samsung was when they started) |
| 14:00.56 | Openfree | rwhitby, maybe I'm wrong, but i can get the user manual, does that's still not enough |
| 14:01.12 | b0ib0t | can i put windows xp on the freerunner? |
| 14:01.12 | rwhitby | Openfree: can you get it legally without being under an NDA? |
| 14:01.25 | mjr | anyway, gta03 will go with the same soc, but after that, it's pretty much in the air - going by publically available information |
| 14:01.38 | Openfree | rwhitby, that's true , atheros provide binary code |
| 14:01.46 | mjr | b0ib0t, yes, just install bochs ... |
| 14:01.58 | b0ib0t | what is bochs? |
| 14:02.00 | Openfree | rwhitby, Yes, i download some public docs from TI's web |
| 14:02.17 | rwhitby | Openfree: got a URL? |
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| 14:02.41 | Openfree | rwhitby, google is your friend, it's esay to get |
| 14:02.43 | rwhitby | if it's a data manual with register definitions, I'll take my words back immediately |
| 14:02.59 | b0ib0t | i was jk about windows |
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| 14:03.10 | Openfree | rwhitby, there are register definitions |
| 14:03.11 | b0ib0t | real question though... how do i get to console using 08.8 raster? |
| 14:03.43 | b0ib0t | i want to connect to my wifi but i cant find the console/term |
| 14:03.46 | lindi- | b0ib0t: x86 emulator |
| 14:03.48 | Openfree | b0ib0t, can't u , i think it's already provided |
| 14:04.23 | Openfree | b0ib0t, serial console, or SSH via your usb net |
| 14:04.58 | b0ib0t | can i set up a usb net with winblows? |
| 14:04.59 | Openfree | b0ib0t, for choise one, you must have debug board, search wiki, it helps |
| 14:05.22 | b0ib0t | yea the wiki got me this far |
| 14:05.31 | rwhitby | Openfree: I take my words back - it does look like omap3 data manuals are on the TI public web now. That's changed since last time I looked (which was a while back). |
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| 14:06.20 | rwhitby | My apologies for speaking without confirming my old assumptions. |
| 14:06.59 | Openfree | b0ib0t, haven't tried , but how weird you try this with M$ platfrom |
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| 14:07.26 | b0ib0t | yes i've got a m$ gaming machine |
| 14:07.29 | b0ib0t | so shameful |
| 14:07.34 | Openfree | rwhitby, things does change so rapidly, eh? ^_^ |
| 14:07.44 | rwhitby | indeed |
| 14:08.00 | b0ib0t | time to bust out my netbook i think (slackware) |
| 14:08.47 | Openfree | rwhitby, i guess OMAP3 is not open when openmoko adopt s3c24xx, but since times goes by, thing change too |
| 14:09.20 | rwhitby | yeah, I expect TI released the info to coincide with the BeagleBoard marketing strategy |
| 14:10.13 | Openfree | and samsung do have high end chip which s3c64xx seiral, but not yet open their specs, big company always have their own strategy |
| 14:11.03 | apollo13 | I am always getting: root@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# opkg install tangogps An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 14:11.15 | apollo13 | according to the wiki it's a config error |
| 14:11.25 | apollo13 | how can I find out what's causing it? |
| 14:11.33 | thorben | yes, check your network connection |
| 14:11.40 | b0ib0t | mickey/mickeyl you do alot of stuff with the ipaq? |
| 14:11.55 | apollo13 | thorben: network is working fine |
| 14:12.00 | apollo13 | update works |
| 14:12.29 | thorben | apollo13: ah sorry, I had return value 2 whenever I wanted to install a package not in the repository |
| 14:12.32 | nyu | is the ipaq thing still around? |
| 14:12.36 | lindi- | apollo13: compile with debugging symbols, use gdb? |
| 14:12.37 | nyu | I used to own one of those |
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| 14:12.48 | apollo13 | thorben: ah that might be, let me check |
| 14:12.50 | thorben | check opkg -l | grep "packagename" |
| 14:13.09 | thorben | (or was it opkg list?) |
| 14:13.11 | mickeyl | b0ib0t: i no longer use any of my PDAs. Fully working on mobile phones these days |
| 14:13.11 | Xecuter | I cant call or send sms, gsm isnt running, and im not beeing asked for a pin. Whats wrong? |
| 14:13.17 | apollo13 | thorben: it was list, you were right |
| 14:16.02 | apollo13 | is opkg segfaulting for you too when trying to opkg -test upgrade the bearstech testing repo? |
| 14:19.21 | Xecuter | how do i start/restart gsm in terminal? |
| 14:19.45 | b0ib0t | mickeyl: right on |
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| 14:20.58 | lindi- | Xecuter: what distro? |
| 14:21.08 | Xecuter | raster 2008.8 |
| 14:21.11 | Xecuter | or something |
| 14:21.25 | lindi- | Xecuter: does it use frameworkd? |
| 14:21.58 | Xecuter | its basicly openmokos own 2008.8, the ASU |
| 14:22.09 | Xecuter | i have no idea :P |
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| 14:24.32 | lindi- | Xecuter: ps axuf? |
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| 14:30.01 | Xecuter | lindi-, what about that? |
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| 14:41.33 | hil__ | hi all.. can anyone guide me (or gimme a link to a Wiki page) for building kernel modules with the MokoMakefile. |
| 14:41.48 | hil__ | I tried searching on the wiki (and using google) but couldn't find anything |
| 14:44.25 | hil__ | thinks no one's here |
| 14:46.28 | hil__ | #openmoko-cdevel |
| 14:46.31 | hil__ | oops |
| 14:48.25 | ftnt | I got gprs without GSM multiplexing and without a GUI, how can I restart gsm? pls |
| 14:49.12 | hil__ | ftnt: either everyone's asleep or busy :( |
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| 14:50.20 | thorben | do NDAs actually prevent the porting of an OS _other_ than Linux to the FR? |
| 14:50.32 | ShellEvil | No. |
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| 14:50.44 | ShellEvil | You can recode the glamo thingy for your OS using open-source. |
| 14:52.56 | thorben | is thinking about Plan 9 |
| 14:54.28 | Kensan | thorben: NDAs only cover certain information that can not be made available to everyone. If you are able to port Plan 9 without that information everyone is free to do so. |
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| 14:56.56 | thorben | I just wanted to know if NDAs would put any obstacles into the path of anyone wanting to port anything |
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| 14:57.14 | pb__ | mickeyl: good afternoon |
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| 14:59.11 | shanka | Hi, I've just installed debian on my FreeRunner. I'm unable to connect to the internet using usb0. Also I'm unable to ping (it returns with "-bash: ping: command not found" |
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| 14:59.27 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 14:59.40 | shanka | What do you guys(/gals?) suggest? |
| 15:01.38 | mpr | have you got the usb0 working with other images? |
| 15:02.08 | shanka | yes, it works with Qtopia and OM2008.8 |
| 15:02.09 | mpr | at least for me it worked for debian right away after installing to a sd card |
| 15:02.10 | dbmoodb | shanka: make sure you are forwarding dns / other stuff properly. then try again. |
| 15:02.25 | nomeata | shanka: did you install the kernel that came with the Debian installer, or a later one? |
| 15:03.01 | shanka | nomeata: I used the script at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner with automatic |
| 15:03.22 | shanka | so I've used the kernel that came with the Debian installer only I think.. |
| 15:03.40 | nomeata | shanka: ok. what does "ifconfig usb0" say? |
| 15:04.27 | shanka | can I paste here? or should I use pastebin? |
| 15:04.34 | shanka | what the heck.. |
| 15:04.34 | shanka | shashank@ubuntu-desktop:~$ ifconfig usb0 |
| 15:04.34 | shanka | usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ea:1f:f2:f3:c1:da |
| 15:04.34 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.34 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.35 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.37 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.39 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.41 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.43 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.54 | apollo13 | pastebin ;) |
| 15:05.52 | shanka | ok, I'll try to restart my phone in Qtopia and ensure that usb network on my ubuntu is working properly.. and then get back to you |
| 15:06.48 | thorben | shanka: make sure your LAN is not in the 192.168.0 address-space |
| 15:07.12 | shanka | thorben: yeah, it's in 192.168.1.xx range |
| 15:07.59 | thorben | shanka: what I also did wrong initially was trying to do ssh into 192.168.0.200 |
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| 15:08.48 | thorben | instead of 192.168.0.202 |
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| 15:11.02 | shanka | thorben: I'm able to ssh into the device. The problem is connecting to internet from the FreeRunner |
| 15:11.30 | mpr | oh |
| 15:11.39 | mpr | /etc/resolv.conf contains a valid dns server? |
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| 15:12.00 | shanka | I use "ssh moko" as suggested in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#Changing_host_keys |
| 15:12.13 | shanka | mpr: yeah I does, I've added the OpenDns dns server |
| 15:12.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r19580728aba0 10/src/zhone: |
| 15:12.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: fix logic error in startup procedure: |
| 15:12.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: antenna power needs to be turned on _before_ sending the PIN, otherwise it's going to be resetted lateron |
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| 15:13.00 | shanka | mpr: The problem is ping is not working so I've to either try "apt-get update" or "wget xxxx" to test internet |
| 15:13.03 | harnir | shanka: nice! but 'ssh fr' is shorter ;-) |
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| 15:13.48 | mpr | well seems that ping isn't installed :) |
| 15:14.12 | shanka | mpr: yeah |
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| 15:14.28 | mpr | you don't have any firewalls etc.? |
| 15:14.41 | guddigundolf_ | ??????? |
| 15:14.52 | shanka | mpr: no none. |
| 15:15.17 | mpr | route -n shows a valid default route? |
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| 15:16.40 | nomeata | shanka: (sorry for the delay) actually, I wanted you to run ifconfig usb0 on the FreeRunner :-) |
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| 15:17.09 | shanka | nomeata: oh, ok... I just restarted the phone to Qtopia |
| 15:17.21 | shanka | internet is working (able to ping google.com) |
| 15:17.44 | shanka | so I think the problem is with debian, I'll restart to debian on FR and get back |
| 15:17.58 | shanka | mpr: route -n in FR right? |
| 15:18.03 | mpr | yeah |
| 15:18.10 | mpr | and that /etc/resolv.conf too :) |
| 15:18.15 | shanka | mpr: just a sec, have to restart |
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| 15:18.42 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rb24d3c2e66fe 10/illume/illume/ (24 files): illume-fso-theme: Rotating asterisk images were out of sync. Update the missing one. |
| 15:20.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd5712c35135b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: |
| 15:20.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: try to circumvent race condition for sending SIM init commands |
| 15:20.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Needs testing on other modems |
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| 15:23.06 | shanka | ok here it /etc/resolv.conf: |
| 15:23.06 | shanka | nameserver 61.1.96.69 |
| 15:23.06 | shanka | nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 15:23.36 | shanka | and route -n shows: |
| 15:23.37 | shanka | Kernel IP routing table |
| 15:23.37 | shanka | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 15:23.37 | shanka | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 15:23.37 | shanka | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 15:24.02 | mpr | ifconfig? |
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| 15:24.37 | shanka | mpr: nomeata: ifconfig: |
| 15:24.38 | shanka | usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 72:23:fe:89:4e:f1 |
| 15:24.38 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.38 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.38 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.38 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.40 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.42 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.44 | shanka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.54 | nomeata | hmm. that looks good. |
| 15:25.19 | nomeata | can you pign 192.168.0.202 from your laptop? |
| 15:25.27 | nomeata | eh, desktop |
| 15:26.02 | mpr | that 192.168.0.1 as default gateway sounds weird, shouldn't it be .200? |
| 15:26.08 | shanka | nomeata: yeah I can ping |
| 15:26.09 | ToOOot | Hi all. Is 2008.8 already capable of phoning + sms'ing without problems? |
| 15:26.09 | mpr | don't have a fr at hand now to check |
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| 15:26.34 | ToOOot | I have used Qtopia and had sms issues and the latest snapshot is buggy as hell. |
| 15:26.42 | nomeata | shanka: have you set up IP forwarding and masquerading on your desktop? |
| 15:26.52 | nomeata | shanka: hmm. probably, yes, as it works in qtopia |
| 15:26.59 | shanka | nomeata: I can ssh into FR, yeah I've done IP forwarding and masquerading |
| 15:27.05 | shanka | nomeata: yeah |
| 15:27.07 | nomeata | shanka: ok. try apt-get update |
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| 15:27.27 | shanka | nomeata: takes a very long time and reports and error.. |
| 15:27.36 | shanka | I tried: wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh |
| 15:27.54 | shanka | got an error saying it's unable to resolve the address |
| 15:28.05 | shanka | so DNS is the problem? |
| 15:28.18 | nomeata | shanka: yes. put your desktopâs resolv.conf on the freerunner and retry |
| 15:31.03 | shanka | still not able to resolve |
| 15:31.34 | shanka | mpr: how do I change the default gateway? |
| 15:31.39 | mpr | nomeata: does your route -n show 192.168.0.1? |
| 15:33.27 | shanka | aha connected! |
| 15:33.35 | nomeata | mpr: I have changed it. but it should have copied the interfaces file from the image it was installed from |
| 15:33.40 | shanka | I changed the default gateway to 192.168.0.200! |
| 15:33.41 | nomeata | shanka: change /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:33.42 | shanka | thanks mpr! |
| 15:33.47 | mpr | yay |
| 15:34.37 | shanka | thanks nomeata |
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| 15:35.43 | mpr | wonder where it got that wrong value |
| 15:35.58 | mpr | qtopia's image has it in its interfaces-file and it gets copied? |
| 15:36.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rc27fc2efede1 10/src/zhone: show GSM agent state on display |
| 15:36.10 | mpr | how does qtopia's networking work then? |
| 15:36.16 | shanka | mpr: hmm, yeah I don't remember to have touched these values before |
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| 15:41.26 | mpr | maybe it's just some debian-default and the debian install script can't determine the correct value from qtopia images but can from 2008.08, or something |
| 15:41.42 | retracile | tangogps seems to think I'm in the Mediterranean. I understand that off the west coast of Africa is the "0,0" point, but any ideas why it would put me in the Med.Sea? |
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| 15:51.46 | me | ciao a tutti|hi all |
| 15:52.09 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03f.hackenberger 07org.openmoko.dev * rff791585fa69 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Set the build key to $HOST_ARCH |
| 15:52.13 | lindi- | mpr: install.sh copies /etc/network/interfaces always. |
| 15:52.19 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03f.hackenberger 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r719c76afc644 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Set the build key to $HOST_ARCH |
| 15:52.43 | me | anybody could help me please? I can't install debian on fr because an error |
| 15:52.58 | mpr | do qtopia images have a /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:54.11 | me | mpr: yes |
| 15:54.28 | mpr | with a valid gw value? |
| 15:54.46 | me | I don't know what it means |
| 15:54.56 | mpr | oh :) |
| 15:55.10 | mpr | that earlier comment wasn't for you, it was for lindi- |
| 15:55.18 | me | lol |
| 15:55.50 | mpr | what error are you getting? |
| 15:55.51 | lindi- | mpr: that i do not know |
| 15:56.02 | lindi- | me: "an error"? |
| 15:56.20 | me | mpr: I can't umount the sd |
| 15:56.39 | mpr | paste the error message |
| 15:57.12 | me | E: Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card. You need to |
| 15:57.12 | me | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.21 | mpr | do what it says :) |
| 15:57.27 | mpr | 'killall qpe' |
| 15:57.51 | me | I done it but the same error occurrs |
| 15:58.00 | mpr | hmm |
| 15:58.43 | mpr | and you typed 'killall qpe' without the quotes, and 'ps uax' shows that qpe is not running anymore? |
| 15:59.08 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1969: Zhone, empty message box disables functionality to send message. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1969 ) |
| 15:59.09 | me | yes, but then qpe restarts automatically |
| 15:59.18 | mpr | what image are you using? |
| 15:59.30 | me | qtopia... |
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| 15:59.39 | me | but I get the same error on 2008.8 update |
| 16:00.08 | mpr | i got it too but everything worked fine after killing qpe once on raster's 2008.08 |
| 16:00.27 | me | ... bho |
| 16:00.35 | me | so I can't install anything on the sd |
| 16:00.35 | me | ... |
| 16:00.37 | mpr | ah, but raster's image pops up a "do you want to restart" dialog when killing qpe |
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| 16:01.17 | mpr | qtopia images restart automatically or sth? |
| 16:01.38 | me | qpe restart |
| 16:01.45 | me | *restarts |
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| 16:01.58 | mpr | you just need to figure out a way to make it not restart :) |
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| 16:03.37 | me | i damage it :D |
| 16:04.46 | me | *I could damage it :D loool |
| 16:05.58 | mpr | if it's too hard on the qtopia image, just put http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ on the internal flash and run the debian install through that |
| 16:06.39 | mpr | there you get a dialog box when killing qpe, just leave the dialog open and don't click on "restart" and you shouldn't get that "kill qpe"-error anymore |
| 16:07.07 | me | sorry I can't understand, what I have to do? |
| 16:07.21 | mpr | anyone speak italian?-) |
| 16:07.35 | me | io |
| 16:07.37 | me | lol |
| 16:07.57 | me | I have to download an image? |
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| 16:08.18 | mpr | replace qtopia with the above image, yeah |
| 16:08.35 | mpr | and then 'killall qpe' in that and it should work |
| 16:08.39 | me | replace? I have to uninstll it? |
| 16:09.02 | mpr | overwrite |
| 16:09.14 | mpr | no uninstall needed, the qtopia gets overwritten :) |
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| 16:09.44 | me | it is a qtopia-x11 but I have qtopia (no x11) installed... |
| 16:09.52 | mpr | yes |
| 16:10.26 | me | mpr: thx but I don't want qtopia-x11..... |
| 16:10.31 | mpr | :) |
| 16:10.34 | sicu|away | me: i think this might help you: http://qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=470&forum=13 |
| 16:10.34 | me | it runs better qtopia (no x11) |
| 16:10.45 | mpr | you can install qtopia back after creating the debian sd |
| 16:10.53 | me | lol |
| 16:11.40 | me | uff is there a method to install debian arm to the sd from the pc? |
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| 16:13.24 | me | I have to go away, thanks! |
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| 16:19.00 | mattbnz | I don't suppose anyone else has used an openmoko with a zyxel wireless AP? |
| 16:19.10 | LionKMP | Hi! What should I see when I press download map in TangoGPS and select a zoom level? (Nothing gets downloaded for me.) (2008.8 updated version) |
| 16:19.16 | mattbnz | my moko will work fine with any AP except for my ADSL router... which is rather annoying! |
| 16:19.38 | mattbnz | gets huge packet loss on the modem -> moko path, transmit is fine though |
| 16:19.40 | mattbnz | very weird |
| 16:21.12 | cjb | LionKMP: you should see a number like 1500 appear at the bottom left |
| 16:21.15 | cjb | and start counting down |
| 16:21.20 | cjb | and that's how many tiles it's trying to download |
| 16:21.57 | LionKMP | cjb: tiles? isn't it downloading roads? data files? I try again. |
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| 16:23.24 | LionKMP | hm |
| 16:23.28 | cjb | LionKMP: map tiles |
| 16:23.31 | LionKMP | D6: 68 |
| 16:23.37 | cjb | LionKMP: it deals in images, not data |
| 16:23.41 | LionKMP | 25 this is counting down |
| 16:23.45 | cjb | then it's downloading |
| 16:23.54 | cjb | it means it's downloading 6 at once, 68 total |
| 16:24.12 | LionKMP | the first number, D1, disappeared now. (the blue thing) |
| 16:24.16 | LionKMP | hm |
| 16:24.22 | cjb | then it's done downloading |
| 16:24.43 | LionKMP | I thought this works with map data. ok, I try moving and them zooming offline. |
| 16:24.57 | cjb | no, it doesn't. |
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| 16:25.19 | cjb | just like when your browser goes to Google Maps, it doesn't download "map data", it downloads GIF images. |
| 16:27.13 | LionKMP | well, I don't know if it has downloaded anything more. I cannot remember what the previous boundaries are for different zoom levels. |
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| 16:27.30 | LionKMP | but the city I am trying to download has lot of holes. shouldn't that option fill all those? |
| 16:27.55 | LionKMP | ah, it downloads the current VIEW? |
| 16:28.08 | LionKMP | (and more zoom levels for THAT viewport?) |
| 16:28.14 | cjb | yes. |
| 16:28.27 | cjb | so, zoom out to encompass your city, if you want to download all of it. |
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| 16:28.56 | LionKMP | so, zoom whole city first. ok :) I thought "zoom" selection meant how much to zoom out for the download area |
| 16:29.18 | LionKMP | e.g. I see an area, I choose 4 zoom levels so it goes beyond my area :) wrong. |
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| 16:30.13 | LionKMP | hm, why don't the MB measures change? now I view complete city and still only 25MB for +4 zoom levels.!? |
| 16:30.23 | LionKMP | I am in zoom 10. |
| 16:31.11 | LionKMP | ah, that's because it does not depend on number of streets. :-p |
| 16:31.16 | LionKMP | :D |
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| 16:33.02 | Deubeuliou | Kensan, thanks a lot, That was because of ext3 |
| 16:33.10 | Deubeuliou | (I had to go, I come back only now :p) |
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| 16:35.40 | LionKMP | too big for internal card, and I didn't install the additional card because GPS wouldn't work, people says :( |
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| 16:36.26 | mpr | the sd card interferese with the gps only when reading/writing the sd |
| 16:36.29 | mpr | not all the time |
| 16:36.44 | cjb | LionKMP: that's fixed now, if you update kernel. |
| 16:37.40 | LionKMP | wow really? hm... flashing the kernel won't change my data, right? |
| 16:37.45 | ShellEvil | no |
| 16:37.48 | LionKMP | only flashing rootfs scratches. |
| 16:37.56 | cjb | right. |
| 16:37.59 | LionKMP | cool |
| 16:38.00 | cjb | separate partition. |
| 16:38.20 | LionKMP | thanks all. :) I'll try. but I installed the 2008.8 updated flash files, do I need newer? |
| 16:38.31 | LionKMP | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue Aug 26 08:33:29 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 16:38.49 | cjb | no, that is new enough |
| 16:38.57 | LionKMP | great :) |
| 16:39.36 | LionKMP | so ..hmm... won't I need hardware fix? no sending back? |
| 16:40.00 | cjb | the software workaround seems to be adequate |
| 16:40.13 | cjb | I use GPS and SD together without any big problems |
| 16:40.30 | cjb | maybe you lose a little GPS precision *if* you're doing SD I/O and using GPS at the same time |
| 16:40.34 | cjb | but you don't lose the fix or anything. |
| 16:40.35 | LionKMP | ok that sounds great, then I install the card and reconfigure OSM track path. |
| 16:40.36 | Zilla | only in the initialization of the gps, the gps interferes with the sd-card right? |
| 16:40.53 | cjb | Zilla: other way around, the sd-card interferes with the gps |
| 16:41.12 | cjb | oh, yes, it might be harder to get an initial fix if you're doing SD I/O at the time. |
| 16:41.13 | Zilla | right... |
| 16:41.13 | mjr | Zilla, not only then, but the gps needs a better signal at that point so it's more visible |
| 16:41.13 | LionKMP | cjb: anyway, do you know why is it jumping all around when I am standing in 1 posisiton? is that a software problem in tangoGPS? |
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| 16:41.25 | cjb | LionKMP: maybe it doesn't have a good lock yet |
| 16:41.53 | Zilla | but some units have the interference problems and some not right? |
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| 16:42.07 | LionKMP | it always display speed 0.1 to 4.0 when we are standing, directions vary. |
| 16:42.26 | tkep | a lot of updates today |
| 16:42.28 | tkep | good lord |
| 16:42.48 | LionKMP | tkep: for Om 2008.8? |
| 16:42.51 | LionKMP | packages? |
| 16:42.56 | tkep | yeah |
| 16:43.14 | LionKMP | cool! (finding user guide about opkg update....! :) ) |
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| 16:46.28 | LionKMP | what's the right way to make DNS values staying between boots? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking does not really offer a way. |
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| 16:49.35 | Gnutoo | hello, does anyone knows the good AT commands to call someone? |
| 16:49.36 | harnir | LionKMP: up echo 'nameserver 123.123.123.123' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:49.46 | LionKMP | ok |
| 16:49.50 | harnir | LionKMP: add this at the end of the iface usb0 stanza |
| 16:50.02 | Gnutoo | because i've NO CARRIER as response when i dial with my nozomi card |
| 16:50.11 | LionKMP | ok, hm, this should be mentioned on that page somewhere :( |
| 16:50.36 | mpr | LionKMP: it's a wiki, you can add it :) |
| 16:50.37 | LionKMP | I add it |
| 16:50.40 | LionKMP | :D |
| 16:50.45 | harnir | LionKMP: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#Configure_Default_Neo_DNS |
| 16:50.48 | harnir | LionKMP: it is |
| 16:51.26 | LionKMP | wow, true. thanks. |
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| 17:01.58 | LionKMP | Signature check failed |
| 17:02.07 | LionKMP | that's from opkg update. 404 error for the .sig file. |
| 17:02.35 | apollo13 | LionKMP: that's okay |
| 17:02.47 | LionKMP | ah, ok :-D |
| 17:02.55 | LionKMP | sorry, didn't try continuing. |
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| 17:17.06 | Dave | :O |
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| 17:27.18 | Dave | moo |
| 17:27.49 | Tanuva | did one of you render osm maps using osmarender/xslt yet? |
| 17:29.29 | nomeata | Tanuva: on the FreeRunner? |
| 17:29.33 | nomeata | (SCNR) |
| 17:30.39 | Tanuva | no, on the desktop :) |
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| 17:31.41 | Tanuva | what leads to my problem: I first tried whole europe and now reduced to germany/england, but xmlstarlet (which renders osm data to svg) still fills whole ram and swap (both ~2gig) after a few seconds |
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| 17:32.26 | adsllc | I just flashed the 2008.8 update image from yesterday - anybody know the root password? |
| 17:32.51 | mpr | empty? |
| 17:33.16 | adsllc | Doesn't work for me. |
| 17:33.55 | adsllc | D'oh! Nevermind... ssh'ing to 192.168.0.200 is very different from 192.168.0.202... :) |
| 17:34.05 | Dave | :P |
| 17:34.07 | Dave | dwaas |
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| 17:38.11 | Zilla | maybe try sudo passwd root in the terminal.... |
| 17:38.12 | mac2k | Tanuva: i sometimes run tilesAtHome and it manages to fill my 4GB of ram with a single tiles, |
| 17:38.22 | Zilla | and set an new password that way adsllc |
| 17:39.18 | adsllc | Zilla: The image doesn't have terminal installed, so that wouldn't work. In any event, I just had my IP addresses mixed up - forget it! |
| 17:39.22 | Tanuva | mac2k: hm. so how is one supposed to render own maps instead of script-downloading (does such exist?) tiles from osm.org? (which in the end saves their bandwith)... *g* |
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| 17:39.37 | Tanuva | seems like theres no go with less than 8gig of ram... |
| 17:40.43 | Zilla | and you dont have it connnected via wifi.... |
| 17:40.48 | Dave | ZILLA! |
| 17:40.50 | Zilla | and ssh into via the wifi |
| 17:40.57 | Zilla | Yes?:S |
| 17:40.59 | Dave | :D |
| 17:41.01 | Dave | Hallo :] |
| 17:41.03 | Zilla | Ey |
| 17:41.09 | Dave | hoe gaat het? :P |
| 17:41.22 | Zilla | goed... met jou.?:S |
| 17:41.30 | Dave | zeer goed :D |
| 17:41.37 | Dave | mokomokomoko |
| 17:41.38 | Dave | :D |
| 17:41.48 | Tanuva | nom nom nom. |
| 17:43.59 | mac2k | Tanuva: tangogps can download tiles from osm.org, if using the vecort files u usually only render the images you neet at the moment |
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| 17:44.28 | Tanuva | yes, but I'm going to london in a few weeks and don't want to download tiles over gprs on a foreign gsm net... ;) |
| 17:44.44 | F4t | hey all, does anyone know why opkg keeps telling me the package is not for my configuration when im trying to use arm4t packages? |
| 17:44.50 | Tanuva | and scrolling over to london here isn't the perfect solution either since it doesn't download some tiles for some reason |
| 17:44.56 | mac2k | then i would try some vector osm viewer |
| 17:45.04 | mac2k | navit uses vector files |
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| 17:46.47 | Gnutoo | hello, does someone knows AT commands |
| 17:46.48 | Gnutoo | ? |
| 17:46.58 | Zilla | atd for dailing ;) |
| 17:47.35 | Zilla | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands ;) |
| 17:48.53 | mac2k | Tanuva: take a look at this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Rana |
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| 17:52.28 | Gnutoo | Zilla, thanks but when i do ATD on my nozomi card it says NO CARRIER but mabe it's because the card and the sim are specialy for gprs/edge |
| 17:53.08 | Zilla | well as far as i know..... usb-gprs/umts modems dont support dailing ;) |
| 17:53.56 | Gnutoo | Zilla, the problem is that i want to know my phone number... |
| 17:54.24 | Zilla | Ah.... well just call someone wich has nummerrecognition turned on |
| 17:54.51 | Gnutoo | Zilla, but as the card doesn't support calling(and it's a pc-card...) |
| 17:54.52 | Zilla | but you have to call in non-anonymous mode ;) |
| 17:54.53 | sicu | mac2k: rana looks interesting ... u tried it? |
| 17:55.01 | bubak | hi, i have a problem with echo during call (i tried Om2007, latest Om2008, qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot, not tried FSO nor debian). the only really usable workaround is probably to use the headphones with micro (headset). |
| 17:55.01 | bubak | but i need for the qtopia/Omxxx to load the exact one profile for alsa ([gsm]headset.state file) -- but the phone itself switches to some defaults, and i can change it only during the call (alsactl -f <file> restore) |
| 17:55.01 | bubak | finally the question: |
| 17:55.01 | bubak | is there any way how to tell the fr to load a particular alsa state file during a call? |
| 17:55.28 | Gnutoo | Zilla, mabe i should send a sms? |
| 17:55.36 | Zilla | you could try that... |
| 17:55.39 | Tanuva | mac2k: looks promising... :) |
| 17:55.40 | Gnutoo | Zilla,as it supports recieving sms |
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| 17:57.13 | Gnutoo | Zilla, thanks a lot i'll try that... |
| 17:57.45 | Zilla | or put the simcard in an normal phone and send an sms/call |
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| 17:59.37 | Weiss | is there a log file somewhere which i can check for problems with GSM registration? |
| 17:59.49 | Weiss | (in OM2008.8-update) |
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| 18:03.34 | Tanuva | iirc there was a wiki page about (non-)working sim cards |
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| 18:04.29 | Dave | wiki wiki wiki |
| 18:05.43 | sicu | dave dave dave |
| 18:06.19 | zash | aids aids aids |
| 18:06.23 | Tanuva | spam spam spam |
| 18:06.34 | Dave | badgers? |
| 18:06.36 | zash | spam spam spam spam spam eggs bacon and spam |
| 18:06.37 | sicu | goes back to his corner |
| 18:06.37 | Tanuva | mushroom! |
| 18:06.49 | Dave | invites sicu out of his corner |
| 18:06.56 | sicu | =D |
| 18:07.52 | sicu | whatcha fiddeling with dave? |
| 18:08.03 | sicu | you're way too quiet :p |
| 18:08.19 | Dave | >:) |
| 18:08.23 | Dave | How did you guess :D |
| 18:08.37 | Dave | Just, you know... |
| 18:08.40 | Dave | evilness! :P |
| 18:08.47 | bumbl | maybe he found the holy grail of the freerunnners |
| 18:08.51 | Dave | hides |
| 18:09.16 | bumbl | and now he plays with it all the time |
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| 18:09.48 | bumbl | Dave: got you: you are sending your position via tangogps |
| 18:10.43 | Dave | ABORT! ABORT! |
| 18:11.08 | sicu | doesnt believe in FR mythology |
| 18:11.24 | bumbl | it seems to send the position without asking me about that |
| 18:11.33 | bumbl | my position was tagged with average joe |
| 18:15.05 | Weiss | Tanuva: there is, but the only log stuff refers to the old-style gsmd stuff which 2008.8 doesn't use |
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| 18:16.19 | Gnutoo | Zilla, AT+CMGF=1;AT+CMGS="phonenumber",145 i typed a message and made ctrl+z...the terminal said: +CMGS: 1 ...before I also tried without the 145 and it said +CMGS: 0...but i didn't receive any message... |
| 18:16.48 | Zilla | well cant you just put that simcard in an normal cellphone? |
| 18:16.57 | Zilla | and text that way? |
| 18:17.18 | Gnutoo | Zilla, ok i'll try... |
| 18:17.42 | Zilla | and did the at+cmgf did say OK? |
| 18:17.59 | Gnutoo | yes it did |
| 18:18.45 | Zilla | and you phonenumber is in the +landcode+phonenumber |
| 18:18.51 | Zilla | like +31 for holland ;) |
| 18:19.05 | Gnutoo | Zilla, ah...i used 0039phonenumber... |
| 18:19.13 | Zilla | thats OKe :) |
| 18:19.18 | Gnutoo | ok |
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| 18:23.17 | faltantornillos | is there any way to charge my freerunner while using an external disk connected to a usb hub? |
| 18:24.24 | ronny | active hubs? |
| 18:24.51 | faltantornillos | ronny, what do you mean? |
| 18:25.04 | Gnutoo | bye i'll go |
| 18:25.09 | Zilla | Bye |
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| 18:25.29 | ronny | faltantornillos: active usb hubs got power supplies, so it might work |
| 18:25.32 | fish | re |
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| 18:26.45 | fish | when i connect my freerunner to power, it starts to boot and power off a few seconds after... |
| 18:27.13 | fish | is this normal? i think if it started to boot the charging logic should already be up |
| 18:27.47 | fish | (connect to power -> usb) |
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| 18:28.01 | mwester | fish: normal for freerunner |
| 18:29.42 | fish | mwester: well, but its not charging. do it really need to fully boot until the battery can be charged?! |
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| 18:34.44 | mwester | fish: if it cannot even start to boot, it will slowly trickle charge (veeeerrrrry slowly). If it boots, but cannot bring up the USB completely (enough to ensure that 500ma charge current is available), then it will default to 100ma charge; if the battery has insufficient capacity, that's not enough to keep it running, and it will shut down again. |
| 18:35.36 | FxChiP | FR? |
| 18:35.45 | mwester | fish: so plug it into it's provided wall charger (preferred), or to a host that can bring up the USB networking interface (so it will have at least 500ma to use), or just leave it alone for a while (plugged in) until the battery has enough capacity to fully boot the device. |
| 18:35.52 | fish | mwester: well i have it connected to my thinkpad which should deliver 500ma.. |
| 18:36.01 | mwester | Windows? |
| 18:36.06 | fish | no, linux |
| 18:36.23 | Kensan | FxChiP: Freerunner - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner |
| 18:36.39 | FxChiP | No, I meant -- was he referring to it? |
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| 18:36.51 | mwester | Ok, then the host should recognize the device and it should enumerate. But I do think that at least some of the USB ports on the Thinkpads are NOT 500ma. |
| 18:36.53 | bubak | thinkpad here and no problems |
| 18:36.54 | fish | and it gets setup as cdc_acm, i guess it does not start to the point were it setup cdc_ether.. |
| 18:37.13 | FxChiP | A freerunner would still be kick-ass by the way |
| 18:37.19 | Kensan | FxChiP: heh, that's what I get for answering "questions" without having the context ;) |
| 18:37.37 | FxChiP | Kensan, not your fault, I should have provided context :) |
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| 18:37.47 | apollo13 | where does the qtopia music player search for music? |
| 18:38.03 | mwester | everywhere it can |
| 18:38.14 | Kensan | FxChiP: well, one could argue... ;) |
| 18:38.39 | bubak | there is a application in the qtopia menu that rescan your storage and updates the info found |
| 18:38.41 | FxChiP | True, but I'm outright saying I should have provided context, and your response was valid and helpful :) |
| 18:38.42 | mwester | apollo13: it scans the sd card and builds a database of content. |
| 18:38.54 | apollo13 | mwester: hmm does it support mp3? |
| 18:39.13 | mwester | dunno. I'd like it to support phone calls first. |
| 18:39.22 | apollo13 | hehe me too |
| 18:39.29 | apollo13 | the sound is somewhat crackling |
| 18:40.03 | mwester | It works better than the other images, and seems to register ok for everyone else, but I can't get any newer firmware images to register with any SIMs I have, on any network :( |
| 18:40.16 | fish | mwester: so the power consumption of the freerunner is higher than the 100mA which the usb port might deliever? |
| 18:40.26 | mwester | Far higher |
| 18:40.31 | tuXXX | mwester: Qtopia supports mp3 |
| 18:40.48 | fish | mwester: that isnt possible on this usb port, i charged the device several times on this port.. |
| 18:40.55 | tuXXX | (and is the only firmware to register my sim too) |
| 18:40.56 | Kensan | FxChiP: well then I agree and completely blame you for my humble mistake *heh* |
| 18:41.01 | apollo13 | tuXXX: you use it? where do you put the mp3 files? |
| 18:41.10 | fish | mwester: but now i only see the bootsplash and it turns off again |
| 18:41.29 | tuXXX | apollo13: on the SD card |
| 18:41.40 | apollo13 | tuXXX: is the partition important? |
| 18:42.00 | apollo13 | are folders allowed? |
| 18:42.07 | tuXXX | when I used it that way, I only had one vfat partition |
| 18:42.18 | apollo13 | ok I have etx2 |
| 18:42.19 | tuXXX | I think it worked with any folder |
| 18:42.22 | rafa | fish, when you see the bootsplash.. do you see the boot menu? |
| 18:42.25 | apollo13 | mounted at /media/card |
| 18:42.27 | mwester | fish: the device takes >100ma to boot up; far more than that while the GSM is active, and then add the wifi and the GPS on top of it, and it will discharge the battery flat on just 100ma of current. |
| 18:42.28 | bubak | does anyone knows if the sound profiles in the "options" menu during boot are somewhat configurable? |
| 18:42.40 | fish | rafa: nope |
| 18:42.52 | rafa | fish: ah.. okey, only the bootsplash |
| 18:43.05 | fish | now i boot with another battery |
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| 18:43.21 | fish | hope i can change them |
| 18:47.42 | AJuOnLiNE | waives hello to everyone |
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| 18:54.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1970: ar6k does not print newline after disconnect message ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1970 ) |
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| 18:55.14 | baba_melone | It may sound a bit dumb, but: how do you play snake? |
| 18:55.40 | Zilla | with the up, down, left and right buttons on your keyboard ;) |
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| 18:57.12 | baba_melone | and now question 2, whih is an extended version of question 1: ho do you play it with the neo |
| 18:57.28 | baba_melone | not with the keyboard, do you? |
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| 19:14.19 | fish | btw: that didn't work.. it booted with the other battery but after i remove it it turns off, even after it was fully booted |
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| 19:23.44 | Amorphous | hey. anyone know why i can't hear the other party nor can they hear me when i call someone? using 2008.8 |
| 19:27.34 | lpotter | umm. let me guess. because someone stole your neo? |
| 19:27.49 | harnir | Amorphous: check mixer settings |
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| 19:30.09 | Amorphous | err i mean it works both ways when i call someone but it doesn't when i am called |
| 19:30.22 | Amorphous | harnir, could that still be the fault of mixer settings? |
| 19:30.51 | harnir | Amorphous: does sound work when are not calling someone? |
| 19:31.02 | harnir | try playing some songs/samples |
| 19:32.36 | Amorphous | harnir, i heard the ringing once and the alarm from the clock... though mediaplayer doesn't want to start playing |
| 19:33.41 | harnir | Amorphous: the thruth is I don't use 2008.8, so I don't know... try looking for .state files on the wiki, or try to setup mixer settings and write them in gsmhandset.state, maybe that will help... |
| 19:34.32 | Amorphous | so it's entirely possible that it works when calling but not when being called? |
| 19:35.10 | harnir | no idea :-) |
| 19:35.48 | Amorphous | thank you anyway :) |
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| 19:50.57 | LionKMP | what filesystem would you use on the SD card? it's currently VFAT, it was delivered with this. |
| 19:51.13 | LionKMP | default FR microSD 512MB |
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| 19:56.37 | mjr | ext2/3 depending on how paranoid you're feeling about the small amount of extra wear caused by 3's journaling, and how much you really want it anyway not to have to fsck when your neo crashes or runs out of battery ;) |
| 19:57.33 | LionKMP | hm, ok, so not vfat at all :) ok, I'll format it before starting to fill. |
| 19:57.49 | ieatlint | heh, actually that falls under the "don't fix somethingthat's not broken" ideology |
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| 19:58.02 | ieatlint | is fat working for you? if yes, then don't change it |
| 19:58.24 | mjr | fat gets inconvenient if you want to eg. install software there |
| 19:58.24 | LionKMP | I didn't try yet. I didn't see fat since like floppies were used or so. |
| 19:58.30 | mjr | s/software/packages/ |
| 19:58.33 | ieatlint | if you need permissions, sym links, etc ... then perhaps ext2/3... but remember that fat is "unversal" and can be read an essentially any OS, where ext2 cannot |
| 19:58.35 | LionKMP | OSM maps first. |
| 19:58.50 | LionKMP | anyway, cannot umount. any ideas what may be using it? |
| 19:58.56 | ieatlint | mjr, how so? it's not like you don't run everything as root already :P |
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| 19:59.34 | LionKMP | well, I'll format it on PC :) |
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| 20:00.09 | mjr | ieatlint, okay, permissions aren't currently so hot, but linkage and stuff might be warranted... |
| 20:00.41 | Tig| | Has there been any work on getting any of the images to not run as root? |
| 20:00.44 | ieatlint | if you want to be able to read the card in windows or mac (or crazy obscure OSs, or game consoles), you'll generally want fat |
| 20:01.02 | ieatlint | mjr, hence me saying if you wanted symlinks, use ext2/3 :) |
| 20:01.03 | LionKMP | ok, I don't want that, I don't have that stuff. :) |
| 20:01.27 | LionKMP | I don't even wanna take it off, unless replacing to a larger one :) |
| 20:01.36 | Tig| | as I can't connect to quakenet irc net from the FR as the k-line people connnecting as root :( |
| 20:01.38 | mjr | ieatlint, yes you did say that. And packages do want links. Yet you still asked :] |
| 20:01.58 | Deubeuliou | I'm having troubles with wget: it downloads web pages, but not archives ... |
| 20:02.02 | ieatlint | mjr, often not in the binary destinations :) |
| 20:02.14 | mjr | and if and if, but the card is hard to remove, and as for usb transfer, usbnet is saner most often |
| 20:02.27 | Tig| | Deubeuliou: that sounds very odd, are you sure you are not behind a proxy? |
| 20:02.43 | Deubeuliou | I am behind my computer, with IP translation |
| 20:02.53 | ieatlint | Deubeuliou, what do you mean by archives? |
| 20:03.04 | Deubeuliou | an ipk package, or an edj theme |
| 20:03.09 | ieatlint | like ... .ar files, .tar ... or do you mean recurisvely downloading to archive a site |
| 20:03.24 | ieatlint | yeah, you got somehting crazy going on :P |
| 20:03.39 | Tig| | never had any issues with wget not grabbing a specific filetype hence the question about a proxy |
| 20:03.46 | Deubeuliou | no, I'm not doing recursive download |
| 20:03.53 | Deubeuliou | just trying to wget a single file |
| 20:04.04 | ieatlint | what error does it give you? |
| 20:05.10 | Deubeuliou | nothing ... "Connecting to thing.com (a.b.c.d:80)" |
| 20:05.22 | Deubeuliou | and the download bar doesn't appear |
| 20:05.31 | Deubeuliou | (I just managed to wget a PNG) |
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| 20:05.55 | ieatlint | and downloading text (eg, html) from the same website works? |
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| 20:06.28 | Deubeuliou | mmmh It works now .... |
| 20:06.45 | ieatlint | could just be packet loss |
| 20:06.58 | Deubeuliou | yeds, likely |
| 20:07.19 | ieatlint | mjr, btw, have you heard om talk at all about moving away from the everything as root policy? |
| 20:07.31 | ieatlint | i haven't been following in here much for a couple weeks now |
| 20:08.14 | mjr | not really, but I've not been very following either |
| 20:08.21 | ieatlint | it somehow unsettles me that i could go register a 1-900 number, then start releasing programs for the OM that call the number in the background |
| 20:09.51 | mjr | personally more pressingly, I want FSO to be stable enough and that stable enough packaged for debian so I can switch back to that, 'cause I like it. But I would prefer for it to do some privilege separation as well ;P |
| 20:10.00 | Dave | how's it going with my homies? :P |
| 20:10.27 | Dave | ieatlint, I'll take some action on that! |
| 20:10.29 | Dave | :P |
| 20:10.35 | ieatlint | fso is moving very quickly, they've closed like 10 bugs in the past 3 days |
| 20:10.37 | ieatlint | at least 10 |
| 20:10.44 | Dave | oo |
| 20:10.44 | Dave | woo |
| 20:10.47 | cjb | I tried running fso-unstable |
| 20:10.49 | ieatlint | and zhone's home screen now has more than 4 icons |
| 20:10.51 | cjb | and the dialer was greyed out |
| 20:10.53 | Dave | go go gadget bugfixes! |
| 20:10.56 | cjb | and messages/address book too |
| 20:10.59 | cjb | anyone know what's up with that? |
| 20:11.03 | Dave | :P |
| 20:11.08 | ieatlint | cjb, it's greyed out if you aren't registred on a network |
| 20:11.14 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 20:11.18 | Tig| | woot, mickeyl was hinting that they were pushing for Milestone 3 this weekend or soon :) |
| 20:11.23 | cjb | is there a way to trigger registering? |
| 20:11.24 | ieatlint | seems to happen only on first boot after flashing for me |
| 20:11.28 | cjb | because sometimes I need to try more than once to register |
| 20:11.36 | cjb | with fso-testing, tapping the dialer tries to register |
| 20:11.44 | cjb | so I can just tap it more than once if it fails at first |
| 20:11.46 | ieatlint | yeah, i dunno |
| 20:12.00 | ieatlint | one would hope it has a method of continuing its attempt to register |
| 20:12.01 | cjb | d'oh. sounds like new FSO is going to be hard for me to use. :/ |
| 20:12.41 | slaxxin | 2008.9 with debian on sdcard is a better way to go |
| 20:13.03 | cjb | I don't like qpe very much |
| 20:13.09 | ieatlint | Dave, i wrote a front end and plugin system to use with liblate last night... if i actually do any work today, i could have a plugin that mimmicks nextbus's simplistic bus predictions in like 2 hours |
| 20:13.28 | slaxxin | then u can still save the tango maps to debian from openmoko |
| 20:13.59 | cjb | what are liblate and nextbus? |
| 20:14.05 | Dave | oh hot |
| 20:14.19 | cjb | ooh |
| 20:14.20 | cjb | bus predictions |
| 20:14.21 | cjb | I see |
| 20:14.27 | Dave | ieatlint, while that's great, I can't stand their fucking interface and would do anything to get away from it :P |
| 20:14.30 | ieatlint | yep, and liblate is a library for nextbus |
| 20:14.40 | Dave | So my drive for the project was to get away from their terrible prediction system. |
| 20:14.45 | ieatlint | Dave, hey, it's all about small steps :P |
| 20:14.46 | Dave | or at least the interface, anyway! |
| 20:14.53 | Dave | well, true enough |
| 20:14.58 | Dave | come on, I can't overwork you here? :D |
| 20:15.06 | cjb | aw, doesn't have anything for MA |
| 20:15.10 | ieatlint | i'm writing something with the intent that others can add functionality themselves |
| 20:15.12 | Dave | heh |
| 20:15.33 | Dave | or rewrite portions of it :P |
| 20:15.37 | ieatlint | hence, it's a true plugin system, you just drop the plugin object file into the plugin directory, and you can use it |
| 20:15.39 | Dave | coughs quietly |
| 20:15.52 | ieatlint | liblate is a mess, and it will stay that way for a couple weeks at least :P |
| 20:15.54 | Dave | you drop it, and it's like BAM, right in yer program! |
| 20:16.01 | Dave | ieatlint, uggh, okay |
| 20:16.06 | Dave | I hope your demo went well though :) |
| 20:16.13 | Dave | Did you impress everybody with your elite skills? |
| 20:16.21 | Dave | and your wild accomplishments. |
| 20:16.33 | ieatlint | sorry, but cleaning up code is boring, and i should be collaboratng with another guy in person very soon |
| 20:16.42 | ieatlint | Dave, most were just confused :P |
| 20:16.46 | Dave | oh heh |
| 20:16.51 | Dave | man, you're cheating on me now!? |
| 20:16.54 | Dave | :O |
| 20:16.55 | ieatlint | it was a "users" group, not a "dev" group :P |
| 20:17.00 | Dave | heh, I suppose... |
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| 20:17.02 | Dave | but still |
| 20:17.17 | ieatlint | yeah, some were quite intrigued |
| 20:17.35 | Dave | Man, I'm slightly offended. |
| 20:17.40 | ieatlint | :P |
| 20:17.45 | Dave | I want to work too! |
| 20:17.46 | Dave | jerk :P |
| 20:17.52 | ieatlint | i need to start organising it all better |
| 20:17.56 | Dave | no kidding |
| 20:17.59 | ieatlint | hah |
| 20:18.07 | Dave | Following clate was kind of... uhh |
| 20:18.20 | Dave | well, trying to get it to work was clearly not the best route... :) |
| 20:18.22 | ieatlint | clate is bad, don't touch it |
| 20:18.28 | Dave | well I gave up :p |
| 20:18.40 | Dave | I'm like, lint is cool, but fuck this shit, I'm doing my own :D |
| 20:18.58 | Dave | clearly it was a test app developed 'as you were going along', am I right? ;) |
| 20:18.58 | ieatlint | what i'm writing now, as i implement the simplistic prediction plugin, i plan on modifying the library as i go along to make implementation of the library easier |
| 20:19.06 | Dave | go go plugin system! |
| 20:19.18 | Dave | soon our library will take over the nations buses! |
| 20:19.32 | ieatlint | then in the next 2 weeks, i plan on breaking up the library into several object files (compiled still into a single shared libary), so that it's easier to read |
| 20:20.01 | ieatlint | and then i am going to start documenting the api in a wiki |
| 20:20.06 | Dave | nooooooooooooo |
| 20:20.12 | Dave | what, the SEC got to you, too? :P |
| 20:20.21 | ieatlint | ? |
| 20:20.23 | Dave | nevermind |
| 20:20.29 | ieatlint | securities and exchange commission? |
| 20:20.29 | Dave | a single shared lib? |
| 20:20.46 | ieatlint | Dave, yeah, liblate is already a single shared library... liblate.so |
| 20:20.55 | Dave | lint, will it become part of your preexisting "awesome" wiki/website/pedia/thing? |
| 20:21.03 | Tig| | Strippers Executive Committee?? |
| 20:21.29 | ieatlint | Dave, heh, i installed mediawiki on a server, so it won't be completely hackish :P |
| 20:22.06 | ronny | but its mediawiki, how can it NOT be completely hackish |
| 20:22.16 | ieatlint | :) |
| 20:22.20 | Dave | haha |
| 20:22.25 | ieatlint | it's all relative |
| 20:22.38 | Dave | ronny, oh, take your hate elsewhere, you bloodthirsty germanmonger :p |
| 20:22.42 | ieatlint | compared to what i do that's hackish... :) |
| 20:22.46 | Dave | :D |
| 20:22.52 | Dave | go go batmon! |
| 20:22.54 | Dave | haha |
| 20:23.01 | Dave | oh shit, I should find that batmon patch I made... |
| 20:23.09 | Dave | I meant to email it to you like a week ago :x |
| 20:23.23 | ieatlint | i like to write those programs that inexplicably work fine when running in valgrind without error, but segfault without valgrind |
| 20:23.35 | Dave | hah |
| 20:23.38 | Dave | oh gee, great |
| 20:23.44 | ronny | thats why i gave up on c#+ |
| 20:23.48 | Dave | so they "barely work" :P |
| 20:23.49 | ronny | -"#+" |
| 20:24.01 | ronny | usualy c is just wasting time |
| 20:24.02 | Dave | sea sharp plus? |
| 20:24.12 | Dave | C is life? |
| 20:24.22 | ronny | c is wasting lifes |
| 20:24.24 | ieatlint | c has some missing things, but i love it |
| 20:24.26 | Dave | whoever controls the source controls the universe? |
| 20:24.30 | Dave | oh wait, that's oil, sorry :) |
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| 20:24.45 | Dave | lint likes it down 'n dirty :P |
| 20:24.50 | ronny | Dave: nah, for the universe it was tritioum, ask the klingons |
| 20:24.51 | ieatlint | i want exception handling :( |
| 20:24.55 | Dave | heh |
| 20:25.07 | ronny | c is just not suitable for anything thats above system level |
| 20:25.15 | Tig| | I thought that was /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:25.18 | ieatlint | i disagree |
| 20:25.25 | ieatlint | i have this odd appreciation for native code |
| 20:25.41 | ieatlint | stupid stuff runs faster and uses less system resources |
| 20:26.16 | ronny | well, better compilers kick ass |
| 20:26.28 | Dave | as the old adage goes, WHY USE PEARL!? C IS FASTAR?!?!? |
| 20:26.42 | ieatlint | don't even start on perl ... |
| 20:26.45 | Dave | :D |
| 20:26.47 | Dave | Yes please. |
| 20:26.50 | ieatlint | perl is hackish |
| 20:26.53 | ronny | all the time thats wasted to coding c should be used to make compilers yank out better code |
| 20:26.56 | Dave | Which is great |
| 20:27.09 | ronny | in the end we might get speed and easy code |
| 20:27.12 | ieatlint | ronny, i wouldn't say i wasted time |
| 20:27.22 | Tig| | oh ffs we all ready have six stacks, the last thing we need is perl getting involved :P :) |
| 20:27.22 | ieatlint | and i find c pretty easy :P |
| 20:27.29 | Dave | of course he didn't, just ask the others who attended the user group meeting :P |
| 20:27.36 | Dave | wouldn't they agree? :P |
| 20:27.50 | ieatlint | ronny, so what language(s) do you like? |
| 20:27.56 | Dave | oh great |
| 20:27.57 | ronny | LionKMP: given the stuff like ownership issues for pointers, lack of any buildin savety nets, its just not woth it |
| 20:27.59 | Dave | not this again... |
| 20:28.25 | ronny | ieatlint: vala/python |
| 20:28.40 | ieatlint | someone was telling me to learn vala |
| 20:28.47 | ronny | its cool |
| 20:28.47 | ieatlint | to simplify gtk stuffs |
| 20:29.10 | ronny | bascially vala puts the c# syntax and savety on top of gobject |
| 20:29.13 | ronny | its a pleasure |
| 20:29.28 | ronny | most the pointer-headaches get removed |
| 20:29.34 | Dave | who's pleasure? |
| 20:29.42 | ieatlint | the safety net isn't much concern mine... garbage collection isn't my problem |
| 20:29.45 | ronny | vala |
| 20:29.52 | Dave | ieatlint, apparently not! :P |
| 20:30.01 | Dave | laughs |
| 20:30.08 | ieatlint | and pointers are one thing i understand very well |
| 20:30.11 | ronny | ieatlint: dealing with pointers is one of the main fuckup causes |
| 20:30.41 | LionKMP | ronny: ? |
| 20:30.45 | tuXXX | well, vala is great because you don't have to mess with gobject/gtk macros too :) |
| 20:31.12 | ronny | it doesnt matter that a few people can handle them, i claim that for every coder thats able to handle pointers, there are at least 100 which cant |
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| 20:31.51 | ronny | LionKMP: sorry, tab-complete accident |
| 20:31.58 | LionKMP | ok :) |
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| 20:32.03 | ieatlint | ronny, well, i'm not necessarily saying everyone should use c |
| 20:32.11 | ieatlint | i like c, i like its low level |
| 20:32.48 | ronny | well, i love the low-level too, but for many things its just unnecessary and doenst yield great gains |
| 20:32.50 | tuXXX | I like both (and perl, python, ruby...) |
| 20:33.01 | sicu|awy | there's no such thing as pointer-headaches, only pointer-pleasure |
| 20:33.01 | ieatlint | i like taking linked lists and looping them back to the start of the list to make infinite loops damnit |
| 20:33.07 | tuXXX | I just use the right tool :p |
| 20:33.35 | ronny | ieatlint: keeping others away from your precious code thru horrorà |
| 20:33.38 | ronny | ? |
| 20:33.47 | ieatlint | immer |
| 20:34.27 | ronny | well, im mostly into getting rid of all things that are common fuckups |
| 20:34.42 | ieatlint | before i release code, i remove all the newline characters from the file and don't include a custom typedef headerfile that renames all the standard types to seemingly random things so you can't figure out what they are |
| 20:34.43 | ronny | and c is a common fuckup, many people are simply unable to handle it |
| 20:35.16 | ronny | i want many people to hack my code |
| 20:35.57 | ieatlint | well, at the very least, libraries should be written in a native code |
| 20:36.09 | tuXXX | well, I don't know if there is more people able to hack python/vala/C#/java code than C/C++ code |
| 20:36.11 | ronny | i dont think so |
| 20:36.15 | tuXXX | maybe C#/java |
| 20:36.19 | AJuOnLiNE | what language can I write an application in, which can be used on other mobile platforms as well.. like say Symbian ? |
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| 20:36.41 | ieatlint | visual basic |
| 20:36.42 | ronny | tuXXX: if i can learn python in 3 hours, most people should be able to pull it off in a few days |
| 20:36.54 | brian_252 | Is anyone using Network-Manager for wifi? |
| 20:37.03 | ieatlint | ronny, i similarly learnt it in a matter of hours... but i still don't like it :) |
| 20:37.04 | AJuOnLiNE | ieatlint: that is fuUny :P |
| 20:37.15 | ronny | ieatlint: why not ? |
| 20:37.40 | ieatlint | because i love c, and it shields me too much from anything low level |
| 20:37.57 | ronny | ieatlint: makes me about a factor of 10 more productive, and all i do with it is writing tools that mostly just wait in c written mainloops anyway |
| 20:38.00 | tuXXX | ronny: as soon as you know how languages work, one new language is not much, but if you don't know any language, then I don't know if it's possible to understand python in 3 hours (I'd say no) |
| 20:38.18 | ieatlint | ronny, it has it's place, i realise |
| 20:38.25 | ieatlint | it allows you to develop very quickly, for sure |
| 20:38.36 | ieatlint | but i still feel restricted on what i can do |
| 20:38.54 | ieatlint | and when i wrote an app in python, then ported it to c, and noticed it used half as much memory... i wasn't encouraged |
| 20:38.56 | ronny | c has other restrictions cause its so LOW level |
| 20:39.06 | AJuOnLiNE | i am trying to work on a solution to use Openmoko FreeRunner into a Data reporting tool for Sahana. For instance in the current situation http://tinyurl.com/sahana-hindi |
| 20:39.13 | ronny | memory consumption is to be expected tho |
| 20:39.16 | cjb | uses both C and Python, and can't possibly imagine writing string-heavy scripts in C. |
| 20:39.16 | AJuOnLiNE | Can i ask questions here, which can be patiently replied :) |
| 20:39.20 | ronny | after all its an interpreter |
| 20:39.33 | AJuOnLiNE | Sahana is a FOSS Disaster Management System |
| 20:39.41 | cjb | ronny: no more than java's an interpreter. |
| 20:39.47 | cjb | (which it isn't) |
| 20:40.05 | ronny | cjb: well, java is jited these days, python isnt |
| 20:40.11 | cjb | yeah |
| 20:40.21 | ronny | back in the old days java was a bytecode interpreter |
| 20:40.31 | FxChiP|away | uh |
| 20:40.32 | cjb | people are working on python JITs, pypy mainly. |
| 20:40.34 | ieatlint | anyway, i'll stick to my c code these days |
| 20:40.36 | Dave | enjoys his popcorn |
| 20:41.04 | ronny | Dave: copy that bag of popcorn over here please |
| 20:41.13 | Tig| | AJuOnLiNE: I had never heard of Sahana before, looks an interesting project. I can't really help with translations though :9 |
| 20:41.15 | Dave | oh, you're enjoying this too? :) |
| 20:41.15 | FxChiP | String-heavy scripts in C is not that bad if you know what the hell you're doing |
| 20:41.20 | Tig| | :( even |
| 20:41.36 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig| : thanks I am not looking for translations here in the openmoko channel.. |
| 20:41.38 | ieatlint | i agree with FxChiP |
| 20:41.46 | Dave | yeah, it's longer |
| 20:41.53 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig|: i am to work on using Openmoko phone as a disaster reporting device |
| 20:42.03 | AJuOnLiNE | so kinda will be writing an application on the device.. |
| 20:42.08 | AJuOnLiNE | s/on/for |
| 20:42.12 | ronny | brb |
| 20:42.15 | Tig| | ah right and then posting to the webapp |
| 20:42.32 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig| yes that is one thing we can do. |
| 20:42.34 | ieatlint | Dave, btw, you missed an earthquake last night if you weren't in the area |
| 20:42.42 | Dave | oh great |
| 20:42.52 | ieatlint | one of the fun ones... 4.0, so some people are freaking out and everyone else is just laughing |
| 20:42.54 | Dave | I leave the earthquake, only to be greeted by a hurricane |
| 20:42.55 | AJuOnLiNE | so i need some patient developer/person who is aware of Openmoko development.. and can help me with some questions :) |
| 20:42.55 | cjb | FxChiP: string, regexps, url downloading; all things I do in ten lines of python that I'd be impressed in seeing happen in less than 100 lines of C. |
| 20:42.57 | Dave | Terrific! |
| 20:43.01 | Dave | Best of both worlds... |
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| 20:43.02 | austria3-1france | ot: oh my god: austria won 3:1 against france (soccer) |
| 20:43.04 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig| i am a n00b here :D |
| 20:43.04 | Dave | I mean, coasts :p |
| 20:43.07 | cjb | and I spend more time writing C than Python, so I'm not a C hater. |
| 20:43.10 | FxChiP | cjb, and? |
| 20:43.19 | Dave | austria3-1france: LIKE OMG! |
| 20:43.21 | FxChiP | cjb, this doesn't make C a bad language. |
| 20:43.25 | Dave | Who cares about soccer? |
| 20:43.28 | FxChiP | It just means Python coddles you for that bit. |
| 20:43.31 | Dave | haha :p |
| 20:43.35 | cjb | FxChiP: so, saying that people should only use C and not swap to python when they're doing something scriptish seems very inefficient. |
| 20:43.49 | austria3-1france | Dave: the europeans |
| 20:43.53 | Dave | heh |
| 20:43.54 | Dave | :P |
| 20:43.56 | FxChiP | If you're doing any sort of "real" programming though, use C |
| 20:44.02 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig| : this is my proposal Idea http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsjhvbz_26gdmnvfcv |
| 20:44.06 | Dave | if you're a REAL man, use C :P |
| 20:44.12 | ieatlint | cjb, i can do all in 10 lines of C |
| 20:44.27 | ieatlint | in liblate, i download urls... takes like 4 or 5 lines |
| 20:44.28 | Dave | haha, so it seemed in clate :P |
| 20:44.29 | FxChiP | Python is great for whipping up a small script to fetch a file or two, but if you're writing anything with any complexity you should probably do it in C |
| 20:44.31 | Dave | just many fold |
| 20:44.32 | ronny | ieatlint: i think you will like vala, its exposing many usefull things and compiles down to c |
| 20:44.34 | cjb | *shrug* I work on a desktop environment written in Python for my day job. |
| 20:44.41 | mwester | can program an Excel spreadsheet to do sums, and even averages! |
| 20:44.43 | cjb | (and write openmoko code in C some weekends.) |
| 20:44.51 | ieatlint | ooooh |
| 20:44.52 | ronny | cjb: open source? |
| 20:44.54 | FxChiP | You work on a *DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT* written in *PYTHON!?* |
| 20:44.58 | cjb | ronny: yes, OLPC/Sugar. |
| 20:44.58 | Dave | cjb, stick to what you do best. |
| 20:45.01 | ieatlint | yeah, let's all switch to excel |
| 20:45.02 | FxChiP | kay |
| 20:45.05 | cjb | Dave: which one is that? ;-) |
| 20:45.05 | FxChiP | OLPC/Sugar I can accept |
| 20:45.05 | Dave | cjb, we enjoy having you :) |
| 20:45.08 | Dave | hehe |
| 20:45.09 | FxChiP | If it were more full-featured than that |
| 20:45.11 | ronny | cjb: ah, i kinda abadoned that one |
| 20:45.15 | FxChiP | Then I'd have to eat you |
| 20:45.16 | ieatlint | FxChiP, that's not that impressive |
| 20:45.25 | ieatlint | FxChiP, isn't xfce written in python even? |
| 20:45.29 | Dave | cjb, I think the verdict on that one is still out ;) |
| 20:45.32 | ronny | xfce is c |
| 20:45.32 | FxChiP | ieatlint, no, XFCE is C IIRC |
| 20:45.34 | CVirus | cjb: what desktop environment is that ? |
| 20:45.37 | cjb | ieatlint: don't think so. |
| 20:45.46 | cjb | CVirus: the Sugar environment that runs on the One Laptop per Child laptops. |
| 20:45.50 | ieatlint | well then, i suppose i'm wrong |
| 20:45.51 | FxChiP | If any real desktop environment were written in Python, there'd be something wrong with the developers |
| 20:46.02 | cjb | ... |
| 20:46.03 | ieatlint | i must destroy the evidence of my incorrectness and all the witnesses |
| 20:46.04 | FxChiP | (Excluding Sugar) |
| 20:46.05 | Amorphous | Tig|, although not running as root has it's use, just set your client to advertise a different login... |
| 20:46.17 | CVirus | FxChiP: why did you exclude sugar ? |
| 20:46.21 | ronny | FxChiP: actually much in ubuntu/gnome already is python |
| 20:46.25 | FxChiP | Because Sugar isn't a complex DE :) |
| 20:46.28 | Dave | WHITE POWDER!? |
| 20:46.31 | cjb | yeah, many gnome applets are python |
| 20:46.33 | ronny | FxChiP: its not that much of an issue |
| 20:46.37 | Dave | What exactly are we talking about here... |
| 20:46.37 | ieatlint | lol dave |
| 20:46.39 | FxChiP | Applets, okay. |
| 20:46.45 | CVirus | most OM apps are written in python .. right ? |
| 20:46.47 | FxChiP | Desktop app/critical apps, not. |
| 20:46.47 | Dave | :p |
| 20:46.49 | CVirus | this is why raster is mad |
| 20:46.51 | CVirus | lol |
| 20:46.51 | cjb | FxChiP: you probably haven't seen much of what it can do. it merges presence and collaboration stuff into the UI in ways that the other DEs don't so far. |
| 20:46.54 | ronny | FxChiP: most of the desktop env is mostly waiting for input |
| 20:46.54 | Tig| | AJuOnLiNE: an interesting and worthy concept. one thing that might be looking into is webcam support for taking pictures of found people |
| 20:47.09 | Dave | raster's just a wiezened crankypants. |
| 20:47.15 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig| yes its proposed in the GTA03 ? |
| 20:47.19 | Dave | I think that puts it best :) |
| 20:47.34 | FxChiP | cjb, yes, but it does one thing at a time |
| 20:47.49 | Dave | tig, or make cheesey wanted posters for random people you see/meet? :P |
| 20:47.56 | ieatlint | raster is cool |
| 20:48.04 | Dave | undeniably |
| 20:48.09 | ieatlint | i just feel like e17 is some sort of vaporware |
| 20:48.13 | Tig| | Amorphous: not sure I can in pidgin but that thought did cross my mind, that and seeing what broke if I changed the name of the root account as surely programs should be looking at the uid and gid.... :P |
| 20:48.15 | Dave | heh |
| 20:48.21 | ieatlint | i can get it now, but i question just the same if it'll ever be done |
| 20:48.23 | Dave | He's like, come on guys, you know you want it! |
| 20:48.29 | Dave | all the kids are doing it! |
| 20:48.30 | Dave | :P |
| 20:48.37 | ronny | e17 is lacking manpower |
| 20:48.46 | Dave | like everything |
| 20:48.48 | ronny | and i wont touch c for any compelx system |
| 20:48.54 | Dave | bumble, it was you! |
| 20:48.59 | Amorphous | hehe wired way of solving the problem :) |
| 20:49.01 | ieatlint | raster spends too much time in his meth lab and selling to children |
| 20:49.12 | Dave | heh |
| 20:49.15 | Dave | good deal |
| 20:49.25 | ieatlint | someone tell him i said that |
| 20:49.32 | FxChiP | will later |
| 20:49.54 | CVirus | e17 is NOT vaporware |
| 20:49.58 | CVirus | E devs take their time |
| 20:50.04 | Dave | haha |
| 20:50.08 | Dave | uh huh |
| 20:50.15 | CVirus | they think 7 years is not enough .. lol |
| 20:50.21 | Dave | :P |
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| 20:50.28 | ieatlint | it's like OSS vaporware though |
| 20:50.31 | ieatlint | we can see the code and try it |
| 20:50.33 | CVirus | it's the most light weight wm you'll ever use by the way |
| 20:50.36 | Dave | NUKEM! |
| 20:50.39 | FxChiP | uh |
| 20:50.39 | FxChiP | no |
| 20:50.40 | ieatlint | but will it ever hit a release stage? |
| 20:50.40 | FxChiP | flux |
| 20:50.44 | ronny | e17 is impressive |
| 20:50.47 | CVirus | FxChiP: e17 is lighter |
| 20:50.51 | FxChiP | Than fluxbox? |
| 20:50.53 | FxChiP | Are you shitting me? |
| 20:50.56 | ieatlint | CVirus, i'm in windowmaker right now |
| 20:50.56 | ronny | they refuse bad apis |
| 20:51.04 | CVirus | I tried both for a long period of time |
| 20:51.12 | ronny | and they know how to do base stuff REALLY good |
| 20:51.13 | CVirus | enough to decide |
| 20:51.13 | FxChiP | here |
| 20:51.24 | ronny | the result is that e17 outperforms anything else |
| 20:51.28 | FxChiP | Raster reports that his SVN size is somewhere around 600-something MB |
| 20:51.29 | CVirus | true |
| 20:51.29 | FxChiP | at least |
| 20:51.37 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig| are you related to staffs.ac.uk ? |
| 20:51.47 | Dave | Hmm |
| 20:51.57 | Tig| | AJuOnLiNE: nononononononono :) |
| 20:51.57 | ronny | FxChiP: so its like 60mb worth of history data= |
| 20:52.03 | FxChiP | even so |
| 20:52.13 | ieatlint | FxChiP, what you want to say is that e17 is the most light weight desktop environment you'll ever use (and even then, things like xfce might beat it) |
| 20:52.20 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig| ahem :P your whois kinda tells something :P |
| 20:52.20 | FxChiP | I fail to see how it, with its multiple parts, is more lightweight than flux |
| 20:52.24 | CVirus | FxChiP: why do you think they are using illume in ASU ? |
| 20:52.38 | FxChiP | flux's tar.bz2 is 767 K |
| 20:52.53 | FxChiP | fetches e16 |
| 20:52.58 | CVirus | e16 is good too |
| 20:52.59 | FxChiP | e16 is 1.7M |
| 20:53.13 | CVirus | e17 is turning into a full DE |
| 20:53.25 | FxChiP | both not counting imlib |
| 20:54.21 | FxChiP | soo... |
| 20:54.30 | CVirus | raster is one of those performance/optimization freaks ... you can trust his wm :-p |
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| 20:54.43 | CVirus | when it comes to speed/performance I mean |
| 20:54.44 | FxChiP | I can also trust a wm that I've seen run *very* smoothly on a Pentium I. |
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| 20:54.48 | FxChiP | (fluxbox) |
| 20:54.53 | FxChiP | (running on a P166) |
| 20:55.16 | FxChiP | I'm just sayin'. |
| 20:55.30 | Dave | hot |
| 20:55.36 | Dave | I'll take that action! |
| 20:55.53 | ieatlint | FxChiP, oooooh... mmx? with edo ram? |
| 20:55.57 | mwester | thinks arguing about which WM to use on Om is a theoretical exercise until the phone can suspend/resume and make phone calls... but the optimism in the group is a probably a good thing. |
| 20:55.58 | FxChiP | yep |
| 20:56.08 | FxChiP | I'm not arguing which WM to use |
| 20:56.09 | ieatlint | very nice |
| 20:56.12 | FxChiP | I'm arguing that flux is really, really light |
| 20:56.31 | FxChiP | Or rather, that it's lighter than e16 (and most likely e17 unless they did a total rewrite) |
| 20:56.43 | Tig| | I had a phone call on FSO today, and seeing as it has my testing sim in I was quite supprised, could no answer it though |
| 20:57.07 | CVirus | mwester: what really bothers me is the suspend/resume issue |
| 20:57.22 | CVirus | mwester: I feel there's a hardware obstacle behind that |
| 20:57.26 | mwester | I see that too. |
| 20:57.31 | FxChiP | Dave, I believe it had less than 64 MB too |
| 20:57.32 | FxChiP | or 64 tops |
| 20:58.14 | Dave | oh snaps, mwester got in this here parlee |
| 20:58.19 | mwester | CVirus: Andy keeps mentioning the "magic" he's developed to control suspend/resume sequencing in 2.6.26 -- but we still don't have any code to work with. :( And now Werner is working on GTA03. |
| 20:58.43 | Dave | flux it like it's hot! |
| 20:58.48 | Zilla | Btw does someone knows when gta03 will be available? |
| 20:58.49 | CVirus | mwester: so andy is the one who is responsible for it right now |
| 20:59.07 | CVirus | Zilla: when it's ready |
| 20:59.09 | mwester | I don't know honestly. It's beginning to feel a lot like the GTA01 |
| 20:59.10 | Dave | ZILLA |
| 20:59.21 | CVirus | we almost never had a release date for the freerunner |
| 20:59.28 | Zilla | oke when its ready |
| 20:59.33 | Zilla | good answer |
| 20:59.37 | Zilla | Dave whats wring? |
| 20:59.40 | Zilla | *wrong? |
| 20:59.53 | mwester | Just ignore Dave. |
| 20:59.58 | Zilla | le :) |
| 21:00.00 | Dave | :( |
| 21:00.00 | Zilla | *ke |
| 21:00.08 | Dave | Mwester, meaniepants. |
| 21:00.12 | Dave | bumble ;) |
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| 21:00.55 | bumbl | Dave: :D |
| 21:04.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * ra1d8c1294df2 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtextentryproxy.cpp: [qtopia] Abuse the QTextEntryProxy to get input itself |
| 21:04.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r906a00fdcb89 10/src/applications/addressbook/ (addressbook.cpp contactlistpane.cpp): [addressbook] Allow to show the Findbar to find contacts |
| 21:04.35 | FxChiP | w00t |
| 21:04.57 | FxChiP | just the feature I was looking for |
| 21:05.07 | FxChiP | the FR is completely useful to me now |
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| 21:05.23 | Dave | ;) |
| 21:05.29 | Dave | Fxchip, let's be friends. |
| 21:05.38 | FxChiP | okay Dave |
| 21:05.56 | Dave | :) |
| 21:06.08 | Dave | is anyone else running flux on the phone? |
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| 21:07.14 | FxChiP | wouldn't run flux on the phone |
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| 21:08.13 | mwester | Somebody port Numpty Physics to the device; that might make it marginally more useful. |
| 21:08.19 | cjb | already been done |
| 21:08.21 | cjb | it's in the FSO images |
| 21:08.58 | mwester | Hmmm.. so maybe I should fight with the wifi to make that work, so I install it, then... |
| 21:09.01 | *** join/#openmoko harnir (n=harnir@dhcp046-205.ds.amg.gda.pl) |
| 21:09.14 | harnir | when OpenMoko stopped working on 2007.2, April? |
| 21:09.20 | Dave | uh oh, it's harnir |
| 21:09.36 | mwester | harnir: about then, or slightly earlier. |
| 21:09.38 | harnir | Dave: I'm making a video about 2007.2 |
| 21:09.44 | harnir | mwester: ok |
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| 21:10.22 | mwester | harnir: the community submitted some fixes and changes after that, but basically Openmoko quietly stopped working on it and shuffled people to go work on the horror that was ASU. |
| 21:10.55 | Tanuva | which /sys entry was it one could turn the display backlight on with? |
| 21:11.08 | harnir | mwester: well, it's currently must usable, apart from Qtopia, AFAIK |
| 21:11.17 | mwester | 'tis true. |
| 21:11.47 | mwester | That's why the SHR project is using that code as a base, along with the FSO stuff. |
| 21:12.38 | Tig| | are the SHR people working with the 2007.2 versions of the apps or the upstream ones from the pimlico project? |
| 21:12.54 | mwester | 2007.2, AFAIK |
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| 21:13.20 | harnir | btw, it uses GTK2 or GTK+? |
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| 21:17.33 | AntonTakk | grrr |
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| 21:18.05 | AntonTakk | want to use the fr as my daily phone, but the 2008.8 update release just crashed on me |
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| 21:19.21 | AntonTakk | and 2007.2 seems unable to read my sim card |
| 21:19.28 | harnir | AntonTakk: qtopia? |
| 21:19.46 | AntonTakk | i'd rather stick to my razr than use qtopia |
| 21:19.53 | lpotter | why? |
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| 21:20.45 | AntonTakk | the ui is anoying, and i can't get any of the more interesting apps on it like orrery, numtyphysics, the accelerometers alpha package, etc |
| 21:21.20 | AntonTakk | the media player can't be stopped once you get it going |
| 21:23.01 | AntonTakk | has a calendar app and a home app, but noone has bothered to display upcoming calendar entries on the home screen, and iirc, last i tested the calendar entries didn't actually alert like they were configured to |
| 21:23.42 | lpotter | and that works on the other images? |
| 21:24.00 | AntonTakk | no, but they don't have both of those components, either |
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| 21:25.35 | AntonTakk | i like fso, but it won't meet even my basic needs untill ms3 is out |
| 21:31.03 | harnir | which is more correct? ASU = April or August Software Update? |
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| 21:31.44 | lpotter | Another Software Update :) |
| 21:31.54 | harnir | nice one :-) |
| 21:33.05 | Blackhex | hello, is there a screen brightness and dim control UI in 2008.8? |
| 21:33.12 | AntonTakk | yes |
| 21:33.14 | AntonTakk | in settings |
| 21:34.14 | Blackhex | oh sorry dim is there but not brighteness as I see |
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| 21:36.37 | Blackhex | upps it don't enable backlight after dim :-) |
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| 21:38.58 | Tronic | harnir: Maybe they promise April, but deliver in August? |
| 21:42.11 | CVirus | mwester: where did you read of Andy's promise about reliable suspend/resume with 2.6.26 ? |
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| 21:53.35 | *** join/#openmoko offray_ (n=offray@Dynamic-IP-cr20011888205.cable.net.co) |
| 21:53.40 | offray_ | Hi all |
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| 21:55.29 | Zilla | Hi |
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| 21:58.48 | me | hi all |
| 21:59.15 | offray_ | This is my output from ifconfig: http://pastebin.com/m716522e9 Now I try to make ping to 192.168.0.202 and I get: "From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable". I have FSO Milestone 2 on gta02, but this image should work also, isn't it? |
| 21:59.23 | *** part/#openmoko lloyd_fedora (n=User@86.99.63.11) |
| 22:00.05 | me | you haven't conifugred correctly the pc-side , maybe? |
| 22:00.18 | cjb | maybe it's because your other net is also 192.168 |
| 22:00.18 | Zilla | can you ping your moko from your host pc |
| 22:00.20 | cjb | what's the netmask? |
| 22:01.43 | offray_ | Zilla: no I can not ping from the PC |
| 22:03.21 | offray_ | cjb: the mask is this Mask:255.255.255.0 for eth0 (PC) and usb0 (FR) |
| 22:04.39 | cjb | ok |
| 22:08.21 | AntonTakk | offray_: you have a route for 192.168.0.202 to use usb0? |
| 22:09.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2b000ed0c208 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade to Qtopia to be able to show the findbar in the addressbook app |
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| 22:10.27 | offray_ | AntonTakk: I don't know. How Can I find it? |
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| 22:33.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd2d4e27a111f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade to Qtopia to be able to show the findbar in the addressbook app |
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| 23:03.05 | Weiss | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/Packages has zero size, and has done for the last 6 hours or so. is this a problem, or just waiting for the daily build to finish (or similar)? |
| 23:05.45 | Tig| | Weiss: I think it is always a zero size |
| 23:06.20 | Tig| | for example http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/Packages is also a zero size and that is the feed I use to update my FSO image :) |
| 23:07.05 | Tig| | I think it probably should have a size if all the bells and whistles are running on the repository like .sig files for the feeds etc |
| 23:07.28 | Tig| | but I think a few processes are currently being skipped because everything is changing so rapidly |
| 23:07.56 | Weiss | Tig|: ah ok, it's the Packages.gz files inside the sub-folders which are important |
| 23:08.12 | Weiss | i was clearly having a separate problem when opkg update failed.. |
| 23:08.27 | Tig| | presumably but I am not an opkg scientist :) |
| 23:08.57 | Tig| | but by god I can cut and paste stuff off websites :) |
| 23:09.35 | Weiss | installs "Stuff" |
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| 23:10.13 | Tig| | actually thinking about it I don't think that the downloads.openmoko feed is being built daily as they now have dev and testing feeds |
| 23:10.20 | cjb | bah. went to AT&T store, they only had 71234 D/G |
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| 23:11.27 | Weiss | Tig|: yeah, presumably there aren't daily updates. i'm using the stable ASU stuff for now - exceeding my expectations so far... |
| 23:11.45 | Weiss | after i found that my new O2 SIM didn't work, but my old one was fine.. |
| 23:11.48 | Tig| | "ÐаÑ
. Ñпадна до най-& T магазина, Ñе Ñа Ñамо 71234 D / G" even in Bulgarian I don't understand that cjb :) |
| 23:12.03 | Tig| | Weiss: cool :) |
| 23:12.36 | Tig| | I am dreading going into the orange shop and asking them to swap my main sim |
| 23:12.59 | Tig| | because they will want to know why.... and then they will not understand.... |
| 23:13.19 | Weiss | Tig|: for an older one which is more compatible? |
| 23:13.31 | Tig| | well for one that will play nicely |
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| 23:14.37 | Tig| | I have two here but have a couple of issues with both, but one has my main number attached to it and I am not allowed to put that back in the FR until the FSO gets decent text support |
| 23:15.27 | Tig| | well more accurately before there is decent text support in the interface :) |
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| 23:25.46 | magbeat | hi |
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| 23:43.50 | slaxxin | be sure an get a sim that the contacts are more centered on the paper |
| 23:45.13 | Tig| | ?? |
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| 23:59.24 | SpeedEvil | Tig|_: as I understand it, one hypothesis for SIMs not working was that the contacts were shorted out by the SIM contacts being in the wrong position. AIUI it's been tested with some tape, and this wasn't teh cause. |