| 00:00.06 | Ainulindale | Ah sounds better :-) |
| 00:01.11 | Dave | heh |
| 00:01.24 | Ainulindale | Hmmm weird state now |
| 00:01.30 | Ainulindale | I can call my answering machine |
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| 00:01.37 | Ainulindale | But I can't call my girlfriend |
| 00:01.46 | Qwell | she blocked you |
| 00:01.52 | Ainulindale | And if I try to call me with her phone, it just terminate the call |
| 00:01.55 | mjr | Qwell, beat me to it :] |
| 00:02.15 | Ainulindale | Oh, got it. Forgot that. |
| 00:02.33 | Ainulindale | She has a children service. |
| 00:02.37 | Ainulindale | (Because it's cheaper) |
| 00:02.39 | Dave | Having some domestic issues, are we? :p |
| 00:02.41 | Ainulindale | She can't call at certain hours |
| 00:02.47 | Qwell | damn, I was close |
| 00:02.48 | Ainulindale | (or be called) |
| 00:03.01 | Dave | OWell, QWell. |
| 00:03.23 | Ainulindale | or that's the base station borking who knows |
| 00:06.44 | rivalarrival | Ainulindale: Try dating someone over the age of 13 you prevert. |
| 00:08.13 | Ainulindale | rivalarrival: Nope, I prefer my wives as my wines, 10 to 14 years deep below the ground |
| 00:08.18 | Ainulindale | Fresher that way |
| 00:08.19 | mickey|sofa | :) |
| 00:08.22 | mickey|sofa | sleepy |
| 00:08.23 | mickey|sofa | g'night |
| 00:08.27 | Ainulindale | Night mickey|sofa |
| 00:08.31 | rivalarrival | Like that austrian guy and his daughter? |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rffe636743199 10/otapi/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: * remove org.freesmartphone.GSM.Phonebook, the relevant methodds are in .SIM and high-level access will be covered by the ophoned |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: API. |
| 00:13.36 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: * add first sketch for a cell broadcasting API: org.freesmartphone.GSM.CB.xml.in |
| 00:15.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2400050d35fc 10/ (9 files in 5 dirs): |
| 00:15.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: |
| 00:15.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: * rename Test API to Debug API and enhance it (List virtual channels + Inject arbitrary strings into a virtual channel) |
| 00:15.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: * implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.CB.{Get|Set}CellBroadcastSubscriptions |
| 00:17.03 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: hmmm, won't work it seems |
| 00:17.10 | Ainulindale | (bitbake ipkg-make-index) |
| 00:17.23 | Ainulindale | (and can't find the .ipk) |
| 00:18.12 | mickey|zzZZzz | bitbake package-index |
| 00:18.19 | mickey|zzZZzz | -> bed |
| 00:18.56 | Ainulindale | good night to you :-) |
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| 00:21.10 | retracile | *refresh* Aww, still in San Pablo. |
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| 00:21.42 | linuxxr | Scheduled Delivery: 17-July-2008 |
| 00:21.46 | linuxxr | yay |
| 00:22.08 | linuxxr | 6 days |
| 00:22.44 | fuzzyt | what was your #? |
| 00:23.11 | KrisAbsinthe_ | 4hours on and 50% remaining YAY |
| 00:24.24 | chillywilly | w00t, UPS notification!!! |
| 00:24.34 | chillywilly | does a happy dance |
| 00:24.55 | linuxxr | 2039 |
| 00:25.04 | chillywilly | is no. 3000 |
| 00:26.08 | chillywilly | rock on |
| 00:27.52 | kelvie_work | 1724 -- still nothing :( |
| 00:28.00 | kelvie_work | I think they just didn't send me an email |
| 00:28.18 | chillywilly | nex week Tuesday! |
| 00:28.21 | chillywilly | next* |
| 00:29.39 | chillywilly | Scheduled Delivery: 15-July-2008 |
| 00:29.54 | chillywilly | :-D |
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| 00:36.35 | rivalarrival | kelvie_work: Did you check your spam filters? |
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| 00:43.21 | budfive | Does anybody know if the list of known working/not working SIMs at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT is applicable to the freerunner, or neo1973 only? |
| 00:43.58 | budfive | I've a known bad sim, and wondering if I should get a known-good one from ebay before my freerunner shows up |
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| 00:46.16 | swc|666 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:58.52 | nezticle | sweet UPS notification! added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 00:59.57 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Solar pannel added 2hrs and woke up my deep discharged neo after 20 minutes |
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| 01:02.03 | kd8ikt | no way! |
| 01:02.09 | kd8ikt | thats pimp dude |
| 01:02.15 | kd8ikt | deff but given the intoxicated state of the author during the its writing I think we can forgive him his passing fascination with certain minutiae. |
| 01:02.24 | kd8ikt | whoops accidental paste again |
| 01:03.37 | kd8ikt | so is that the walkway light solar cell? |
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| 01:16.34 | kd8ikt | KrisAbsinthe_: |
| 01:17.51 | KrisAbsinthe_ | steped away, yes it is |
| 01:18.37 | kd8ikt | hey check this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Solar_power#Interest |
| 01:18.47 | kd8ikt | i dropped my name in the list |
| 01:19.28 | kd8ikt | you should make a lil homebrewd hack section detailing findings |
| 01:20.04 | kd8ikt | that was my first wiki edit for openmoko ew make me feel warm inside |
| 01:21.44 | KrisAbsinthe_ | lol, maybe I will. It added 2 hours. I will make the proper circuts and use a diode to prevent backflow(Solar pannels can drain if there is no sun). Thinking about using electroconductive paint on the back of the back lid |
| 01:21.57 | kd8ikt | hey KrisAbsinthe_ you live up in dayton right? |
| 01:22.01 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yeah |
| 01:22.13 | kd8ikt | my dad just invited me to the dayton airshow nextweek |
| 01:22.38 | KrisAbsinthe_ | they are not bad, Ill be in NYC 17th-21st |
| 01:22.47 | kd8ikt | awe |
| 01:23.24 | kd8ikt | yeah ya def need a diode |
| 01:24.34 | kd8ikt | i wish those guys developing solar tape would release to the public already |
| 01:25.02 | KrisAbsinthe_ | no shit, I could use it right now lol |
| 01:25.45 | kd8ikt | thin+flexible |
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| 01:32.34 | niklauz | how is the shipping going? It's looking like i'll need to re-place my order... |
| 01:34.03 | kd8ikt | too late |
| 01:34.08 | kd8ikt | i think they are sold out |
| 01:34.39 | Tsing1 | anyone get a tracking number with their order? |
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| 01:39.18 | niklauz | wah!?! |
| 01:39.55 | rivalarrival | Yeah, they only had 13 left at this time yesterday |
| 01:40.21 | niklauz | omg no.... |
| 01:40.27 | niklauz | cries |
| 01:40.40 | rivalarrival | Tsing1: The tracking number will be coming - they've been shipping about 1000 per day. |
| 01:40.45 | niklauz | i ordered it last sunday but my fsckin credit card company blocked it |
| 01:40.57 | rivalarrival | niklauz: THAT sucks. |
| 01:41.25 | niklauz | kd8ikt: unless there store is broken you are right |
| 01:41.40 | niklauz | it doesn't have the neo as a purchase option |
| 01:41.58 | niklauz | i've waited for years |
| 01:42.33 | rivalarrival | Might try the distributors... |
| 01:42.38 | mmontour | niklauz: did you get an order number the first time? |
| 01:42.43 | niklauz | this is just going to cause me to sink ever deeper into my WoW addiction where i will hibernate until more are available again |
| 01:43.35 | rivalarrival | The 900 mhz phones are coming on the 25th. |
| 01:43.50 | niklauz | mmontour: no, this is really a cursed thing |
| 01:43.56 | Tsing1 | rivalarrival: ahh, thanks! |
| 01:44.36 | niklauz | when i called me cc company they said the original order would go through, that was tues/wedns then i sent OM an email on thursday |
| 01:44.42 | rivalarrival | Tsing1: I ordered on the 4th, just got my tracking number yesterday. But it seems like they've sped up the process. |
| 01:45.03 | niklauz | i saw that about the 900MHz, anyone know about the 850's? |
| 01:45.24 | rivalarrival | When they'll be getting more? |
| 01:45.44 | rivalarrival | Probably another month, at the earliest. |
| 01:47.05 | rivalarrival | It might be a blessing in disguise - there have been a couple hardware issues in this batch. GPS antenna connector got bent, killed the unit. |
| 01:47.06 | niklauz | this is one of the local distributors, http://www.koolu.com/ anyone know what this W.E. Phone is? |
| 01:47.29 | mmontour | "W.E. Phone" is a Freerunner |
| 01:47.52 | mmontour | In the future I think they're planning to re-brand them or ship custom software, but for now they're just re-selling the OM devices |
| 01:48.25 | niklauz | if it's exactly the same, why rebrand in that way... |
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| 01:51.28 | kelvie | aw.. mine's shipping on monday |
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| 01:52.58 | dantalizing | how do i upgrade dropbear without it kicking me? |
| 01:53.00 | rivalarrival | niklauz: Looks like an up-and-coming service provider... GSM, VoIP, television... lotsa stuff |
| 01:53.20 | kd8ikt | i might just resell mine ;) |
| 01:53.31 | tessier | YEAY! |
| 01:53.39 | tessier | My PHONE SHIPPED! |
| 01:53.42 | tessier | dances the dance of joy |
| 01:55.39 | niklauz | rivalarrival: hmm.. ok, i'll see if i can reach them on the phone |
| 01:55.45 | dvarnes | mmontour, yesterday one of the WE guys was chatting with rwhitby .. said they are doing Andriod for the FR, couldn't say much, but seemed they were quite far along ... see logs for more |
| 01:55.49 | mmaestri | hi everybody |
| 01:55.58 | mmaestri | my name is martin, and... |
| 01:56.02 | mmaestri | I've got a tracking number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:56.28 | mmaestri | cannot believe it yet |
| 01:56.33 | rivalarrival | Hi, Martin |
| 01:56.43 | dvarnes | they "are working with Google in some capacity" if I remember correctly |
| 01:56.44 | rivalarrival | When did you order? |
| 01:56.52 | mmaestri | july 5th |
| 01:57.02 | mmaestri | order no #2442 |
| 01:57.15 | doc|home | me too! :D |
| 01:57.24 | doc|home | order 3032 |
| 01:57.27 | kelvie | wah.. why's mine so late |
| 01:57.28 | mmaestri | gonna update the wiki right now...:p |
| 01:57.35 | kelvie | I'm 1724.. but they said mine's shipping Monday |
| 01:57.38 | doc|home | kelvie: they just don't like you |
| 01:57.41 | kelvie | clearly |
| 01:57.46 | niklauz | lol maddog works for this company :) |
| 01:58.09 | rivalarrival | kelvie: You didn't threaten them with bodily harm. You have to do that if you want them to take you seriously. |
| 01:58.23 | mmaestri | anyway, it says that they estimate july 17th to deliver |
| 01:58.30 | kelvie | rivalarrival: damn |
| 01:58.32 | kelvie | is it too late now? |
| 01:58.36 | niklauz | dvarnes: i'll search, do u knowwhere the logs are hosted? |
| 01:58.40 | mmaestri | next thursday |
| 01:59.02 | rivalarrival | kelvie: Yeah, unfortunately. If you do it now, they'll know you're just trying to screw with them. |
| 01:59.11 | kelvie | damn |
| 01:59.19 | rivalarrival | You could try taking one of them hostage. |
| 01:59.24 | kelvie | will do |
| 01:59.28 | kelvie | plane tickets to Taiwan right? |
| 01:59.32 | kelvie | I think I can make it back by Monday |
| 01:59.42 | rivalarrival | Nah, Sunnyvale CA. |
| 01:59.45 | kd8ikt | the more you press refesh on tracking.UPS.com the faster it moves |
| 01:59.47 | mmaestri | maybe you could threaten them |
| 02:00.04 | rivalarrival | sic /b/ on them. |
| 02:00.15 | Tsing1 | rivalarrival: I have it! woot! |
| 02:01.12 | rivalarrival | They day's take seems to get to UPS around 5:30 PM everyday. |
| 02:01.15 | rivalarrival | pacific time |
| 02:01.47 | niklauz | it looks like they are bundling google apps & maybe android(?) w/ these phones, possibly targeted at enterprise, but i remember in an interview maddog mentioned he was working to make mobile computing more accesible like perhaps in a cell phone form |
| 02:01.58 | dvarnes | niklauz, sorry ... google is your friend :-) |
| 02:02.07 | mmaestri | should I log in to MyUPS to see a detailed tracking? |
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| 02:02.54 | rivalarrival | I don't think they have any additional information for the receiver, only for the sender. |
| 02:03.00 | zacharym | does the Freerunner work with AT&T? |
| 02:03.07 | rivalarrival | zacharym: Yes. |
| 02:03.13 | zacharym | excellent :D |
| 02:03.42 | rivalarrival | zacharym: Thre was something aboute a few AT&T sim cards not working, but I think it's been resolved. |
| 02:04.29 | rwhitby | dantalizing: one trick is to run two dropbear instances, one on port 22 and the other on port 2222. Or run a telnetd to upgrade dropbear. |
| 02:04.30 | mmaestri | rivalarrival: so...noone did it, right? |
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| 02:06.40 | ChandleWEi | how to swithching keyboard? |
| 02:07.16 | ChandleWEi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:08.48 | kd8ikt | did you by chance read the "his doesn't work on official OM 2007.2 repositories. However, if you use a ScaredyCat..." part of that page |
| 02:09.43 | kd8ikt | this* |
| 02:14.43 | doc|home | a true sign of fail: http://lh6.ggpht.com/guillermo.castro/SHgPHhnvu5I/AAAAAAAABLY/bf9qdyvvIaA/DSC00426.JPG?imgmax=640 |
| 02:16.01 | kd8ikt | i remember when mac got butt hurt and faught linksys for rights to the name "iphone" |
| 02:16.58 | kd8ikt | when linksys clearly owned it first, well maybe not clearly but they did |
| 02:21.53 | doc|home | heh |
| 02:23.11 | mmaestri | how do you protect the screen? did you use something to prevent it from scratches? |
| 02:24.14 | fuzzyt | 2192 shipping today, arrives on 7/16, :) |
| 02:24.31 | mmaestri | http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Screen-Protector-OPenmoko-Neo1973_W0QQitemZ110237137197QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:24.42 | mmaestri | is the only thing openmoko listed in ebay |
| 02:25.02 | mmaestri | any of you bought it? |
| 02:28.17 | kelvie | don't screen protectors make it hard to draw with the stylus? |
| 02:28.22 | kelvie | at least the invisibleshield/bestskinsever ones |
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| 02:31.32 | kd8ikt | cmon man dont be like my dad, his laptop still has that protective plastic covering it |
| 02:31.43 | kd8ikt | life is about scratches and dents |
| 02:31.49 | kd8ikt | its meant to be used |
| 02:32.14 | kd8ikt | pluss it'll give you reason to buy a new one when it gets overly worn |
| 02:32.20 | ieatlint_ | yeah, a condom is a one-time use thing |
| 02:32.25 | doc|home | kelvie: no, they're fine, not noticeable on my n800, in fact, it's easier to use because I'm less afraid about scratching that |
| 02:32.26 | mmaestri | hehe, ok |
| 02:32.30 | doc|home | ieatlint_: only if you're wealthy! |
| 02:32.34 | doc|home | damn rich kids |
| 02:32.37 | kd8ikt | what is this condom of wich you speak? |
| 02:32.39 | niklauz | i'm a geek, whats a condom |
| 02:32.48 | niklauz | d'oh! beat me too it |
| 02:32.50 | ieatlint_ | too rich to walk your ass down to planned parenthood? |
| 02:32.55 | niklauz | foiled again! |
| 02:32.57 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:33.07 | ieatlint_ | it's like a balloon |
| 02:33.07 | kd8ikt | only sailors use condoms |
| 02:33.12 | niklauz | lol |
| 02:33.28 | ieatlint_ | they hand them out at a lot of parades and festivals in san francisco |
| 02:33.34 | niklauz | heheh |
| 02:33.41 | kd8ikt | hey checkout my userpage its got a few good points http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt |
| 02:34.07 | kd8ikt | dont feel like tracking down where all the respective projects should go so it wrote in my userpage |
| 02:34.29 | kd8ikt | half the stuff i read in the softwawre wishlist |
| 02:35.55 | Arg0naut | my phone just departed from philly :D |
| 02:36.15 | doc|home | kelvie: email them, they might have sent it and the mail got spat out by your spam filters or something |
| 02:36.21 | doc|home | Arg0naut: philly? o.O |
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| 02:36.41 | niklauz | Arg0naut: grats :) |
| 02:37.24 | niklauz | kd8ikt: u mentioned motion-gesture binding, i have a couple ideas for applications |
| 02:38.00 | doc|home | there's nothing funnier than seeing fully grown men (in their 40s+) excited about a piece of hardware :D |
| 02:39.01 | kd8ikt | hey i'm 25 so byte me |
| 02:39.26 | doc|home | 26 |
| 02:39.31 | fuzzyt | hey i just turned 40, so thanks, and hell yeah i'm excited!!!! |
| 02:39.33 | doc|home | and also excited: o |
| 02:39.40 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:39.46 | doc|home | fuzzyt: laughing with you man, not at you :) |
| 02:39.51 | niklauz | 1) authentication - hold 2 OM together and shake vigorously, have them generate an auth key based on accell data to validate ident and prevent MitM attacks |
| 02:39.56 | mmaestri | doc|home: 27 here |
| 02:40.03 | doc|home | niklauz: nice |
| 02:40.11 | fuzzyt | its all good, just shipped today |
| 02:40.14 | niklauz | this could be used for transfering sensitive data in snoopable zones |
| 02:40.15 | doc|home | same :D |
| 02:40.16 | Arg0naut | 19, here |
| 02:40.22 | doc|home | giggling a little |
| 02:40.23 | niklauz | i'm 28 :-P |
| 02:40.23 | doc|home | :/ |
| 02:40.53 | niklauz | how old r u doc|home? |
| 02:40.55 | kd8ikt | is it me or is there no openmoko forum |
| 02:41.02 | niklauz | o o 26 |
| 02:41.09 | doc|home | yeah :) |
| 02:41.15 | kelvie | doc|home: I did email them |
| 02:41.17 | kelvie | they said monday :p |
| 02:41.23 | mmontour | Cool. "By the end of today every order will have gone out!" -- steve on the community ML |
| 02:41.25 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: i've mentioned that to sean once |
| 02:41.28 | doc|home | kelvie: good :) |
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| 02:41.45 | kelvie | doc|home: when's your expected arrival time? :) |
| 02:41.52 | doc|home | kelvie: the 15th :( |
| 02:41.59 | kelvie | ah |
| 02:42.07 | kelvie | so my guess would be mine's the 16 |
| 02:42.09 | doc|home | right, time for me to go play enemy territory |
| 02:42.41 | petriborg | quick question - what exactly is the dboard used for - what sort of program development requires it? |
| 02:43.28 | kelvie | mmontour: eh? every order? |
| 02:43.40 | mmontour | petriborg: only low-level bootloader hacking or possibly advanced kernel development. Most people don't need it. |
| 02:43.49 | kelvie | shop@openmoko said mine's shipping Monday :( |
| 02:43.56 | petriborg | ah thank you very much mmontour :-) |
| 02:44.24 | mmontour | That's what his email said (in the "Los Angeles group order is on its way!" thread) |
| 02:44.37 | kd8ikt | mm tasty microshake |
| 02:45.58 | kd8ikt | like those ones at ballparks when they give you a fricken wooden stick to eat with |
| 02:47.48 | mmaestri | how accurate is the estimated delivery date? |
| 02:47.55 | kd8ikt | what happened to Chocky hadnt heard from him since he left work an hour ago to run home to his newly delivered moko |
| 02:48.03 | mmaestri | I mean, it says I have to wait a week |
| 02:48.40 | mmaestri | could it be here before that date? it happened before? |
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| 02:49.16 | Arg0naut | what shipping did you get? |
| 02:50.49 | mmaestri | ground, i guess |
| 02:50.56 | mmaestri | the cheaper one |
| 02:51.27 | kd8ikt | same here get mine next fri |
| 02:51.41 | Arg0naut | mmaestri:i would say expect a week |
| 02:52.34 | kd8ikt | in the meantime http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval |
| 02:52.50 | kd8ikt | still hasnt been incorporated into the ui has it? |
| 02:52.59 | kd8ikt | X |
| 02:53.01 | cjb | hopes his FR has working GPS |
| 02:53.48 | Jacen | does too. |
| 02:54.17 | kd8ikt | and why wouldnt it? |
| 02:54.34 | Jacen | GPS prblem: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP' (set by HdR on Friday, July 11, 2008 08:17:00) |
| 02:55.18 | retracile | *refresh* Aww, still in San Pablo. |
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| 02:56.11 | kd8ikt | isnt that just one of those mcx? connectors what are those? <connect laptop wifi antenna's |
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| 02:59.35 | Agrajag- | i don't understand how after all that supposed testing before production could start, it still managed to ship with bad soldering/connections |
| 03:00.38 | kd8ikt | i say the same for the shared SDIO SDCARD/glamo vid chip :P |
| 03:03.06 | Arg0naut | Agrajag: it seems like it is a low percentage of the freerunners affected, but I still agree with you |
| 03:04.20 | jOERG_rw | Agrajag-: It's not completely broken, but only individual device has poor soldering on this difficult component. GPS is at incredibly low level, so our tests just were not nitpicking enough here. Hard to create a artificial signal as low as real GPS |
| 03:07.14 | jOERG_rw | Agrajag-: you know, we actually *test* EACH device at fab, just the signal level was adjusted too high, so those devices went undetected |
| 03:08.32 | Arg0naut | * salutes JOERG |
| 03:08.49 | jOERG_rw | 'rning |
| 03:12.24 | rivalarrival | Eh, excuses are like assholes. :-) |
| 03:13.51 | jOERG_rw | nah, I excuse for nothing, just explain. but you may ask for something i actually *had* to exuse afterwards ;-) |
| 03:14.25 | doc|home | rivalarrival: massive and generally stink a little? |
| 03:14.39 | rivalarrival | I'm just screwing with you. |
| 03:14.54 | rivalarrival | I prefer "good enough now" rather than "perfect, later" |
| 03:14.54 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: on the topic of GPS, do you happen to know if the issue with the antenna switch was resolved? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-April/000055.html |
| 03:15.12 | doc|home | jOERG_rw: pm? |
| 03:15.52 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: it didn't show real bad effects, though it's not quite straight in design |
| 03:16.25 | jOERG_rw | doc|home: ?? have a day off today, no pm |
| 03:16.30 | mmontour | thanks. |
| 03:16.31 | doc|home | jOERG_rw: hehe, ok, some other time then :) |
| 03:16.48 | doc|home | jOERG_rw: was just a potential device idea I wanted to bounce off you |
| 03:17.09 | jOERG_rw | toss over, I'll look at it tomorrow |
| 03:17.15 | doc|home | ok |
| 03:17.38 | dcordes | where can I find videos of ASU on freerunner? |
| 03:17.49 | jOERG_rw | youtube??? |
| 03:20.24 | doc|home | jOERG_rw: done, was only a quick one anyway |
| 03:25.05 | dcordes | I liked the gtk interface better |
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| 03:26.12 | niklauz | i was skeptical, but they massaged it into something that was really nice looking just in time to drop it lol |
| 03:28.27 | ieatlint_ | i like how the qtopia image can pair with my bluetooth headset, but then seemingly can't use it for anything |
| 03:28.53 | dcordes | damn old qtopia |
| 03:29.01 | dcordes | fso I say! |
| 03:29.18 | ieatlint_ | i am downloading it now to load it and try |
| 03:29.26 | jOERG_rw | dcordes: nah, that's the BT drver i uess |
| 03:29.31 | dcordes | I doubt it has bt drivers |
| 03:29.50 | ieatlint_ | doubt that fso has bt drivers? |
| 03:29.55 | jOERG_rw | :-D sure we need a BT driver to do BT |
| 03:29.57 | dcordes | no gui stuff |
| 03:30.05 | dcordes | I mean |
| 03:30.15 | dcordes | fso is very thin |
| 03:30.22 | ieatlint_ | eh, will look at it |
| 03:30.23 | jOERG_rw | I say it's not FSO or sth |
| 03:30.31 | jOERG_rw | it's just the driver |
| 03:30.38 | dcordes | NFC |
| 03:31.05 | dcordes | have none of the fic devices |
| 03:31.23 | jOERG_rw | nevermind, have no reall idea about it |
| 03:31.33 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.37 | jOERG_rw | off now. N8! |
| 03:31.49 | dcordes | good neight |
| 03:32.12 | Arg0naut | so is FSO going to be image that will be used in the long term? |
| 03:33.19 | doc|home | night |
| 03:34.17 | dcordes | whoknows |
| 03:34.39 | dcordes | lol |
| 03:34.51 | nullpuppy | sort of. from what i've heard, long term goal is fso for the base with asu stuff for the ui. |
| 03:35.08 | nullpuppy | fso is just low level framework stuff, but not UI (for long term OM stuff at least) |
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| 03:36.00 | nuclear_eclipse | I personally find the GTK stack to be the most usable as a day-to-day system, but it's still quite lacking |
| 03:36.11 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 03:36.32 | ieatlint_ | the qtopia image was pretty decent for telephony/sms |
| 03:36.37 | ieatlint_ | asu was bleh |
| 03:38.35 | Arg0naut | nullpuppy: thanks |
| 03:38.52 | ieatlint_ | i think it's funny that every image i've tried has all sorts of errors in the boot screen |
| 03:38.55 | nullpuppy | Arg0naut: no prob |
| 03:39.40 | nullpuppy | sooo much email on the ml's .... |
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| 03:40.11 | goodwill | its been shipppppppppppped!!!! |
| 03:40.18 | nullpuppy | wooo! |
| 03:40.22 | goodwill | thats rigth you heard me!!! |
| 03:40.25 | ieatlint_ | congrats! |
| 03:40.26 | goodwill | right |
| 03:40.34 | goodwill | look at me ye mortals and despari |
| 03:40.38 | goodwill | despair |
| 03:40.47 | goodwill | at my poor spelling apparently |
| 03:40.48 | goodwill | :) |
| 03:40.50 | nuclear_eclipse | too excited to type, eh? |
| 03:40.54 | goodwill | heheheh |
| 03:40.59 | linuxxr | get to hacking |
| 03:41.14 | goodwill | linuxxr: I've been qemuing all this time |
| 03:41.22 | goodwill | linuxxr: and compling the trees and all |
| 03:41.26 | goodwill | oh yeah!!!! |
| 03:41.38 | ieatlint_ | i'm still learning the interface before i can really start hacking |
| 03:41.41 | goodwill | second generation iPhone my a** |
| 03:41.53 | goodwill | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g |
| 03:42.04 | ieatlint_ | and wondering whz the fso image i just flashed is sitting at an openmoko "please wait" screen for 2 min and counting |
| 03:43.03 | goodwill | ieatlint_: --> |
| 03:43.05 | goodwill | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.05 | goodwill | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.05 | goodwill | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.05 | goodwill | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.12 | goodwill | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/ |
| 03:43.19 | goodwill | see point 4 |
| 03:43.44 | ieatlint_ | ah, thanks |
| 03:44.48 | ieatlint_ | someone who likes to write docs should make wiki pages for all this |
| 03:45.01 | goodwill | its on the download page of the fso image :) |
| 03:45.32 | ieatlint_ | hehe |
| 03:45.42 | goodwill | :-P |
| 03:45.43 | ieatlint_ | but seeing as you flash them all the same way... |
| 03:45.49 | ieatlint_ | i didn't look :P |
| 03:45.57 | goodwill | its all good |
| 03:48.11 | ieatlint_ | i like the lack of bars to indicate signal strength and battery... |
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| 03:48.36 | nuclear_eclipse | yeah, there's not even a way to turn FSO off... |
| 03:48.42 | nuclear_eclipse | I ditched it almost right away |
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| 03:49.06 | nuclear_eclipse | or rather, if there is a way, it's certainly not obvieus :P |
| 03:49.09 | ieatlint_ | "init 0" |
| 03:49.18 | nuclear_eclipse | s/obvieus/obvious/ |
| 03:49.36 | ieatlint_ | apparently all it can do is make calls |
| 03:49.36 | goodwill | nuclear_eclipse: its milestone 1...its like pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha |
| 03:49.57 | goodwill | it has the greatest potential I think though |
| 03:50.17 | nuclear_eclipse | true, but I would have thought "shutdown" would be one of the biggest/easiest/lowest hanging pieces to implement.... |
| 03:50.32 | ieatlint_ | all i see is a clock, battery/signal metres and a telephone icon with keypad |
| 03:50.39 | ieatlint_ | am i missing anything? |
| 03:50.52 | nuclear_eclipse | I mean, it should literally be a button that does `exec("shutdown -h now")` :P |
| 03:51.06 | nuclear_eclipse | ieatlint_: nope, that's it |
| 03:52.11 | ieatlint_ | yeah, well, it does have the smoothest UI... just needs work |
| 03:53.02 | Jacen | So, anyone using an IM protocol on the Freerunner yet? :3 |
| 03:53.22 | Arg0naut | night all |
| 03:53.32 | Jacen | Nighty |
| 03:54.12 | goodwill | Jacen: which one? |
| 03:54.52 | Jacen | Err, any. AIM/MSN would probably be prefered. |
| 03:55.35 | ieatlint_ | i wonder if pidgin's libpurple can be adapted |
| 03:55.43 | ieatlint_ | then again, pidgin is a resource hog |
| 03:56.10 | nuclear_eclipse | I'd be interested if anyone could get finch up on the neo |
| 03:56.15 | Jacen | Even a text-based messenger would be great, if it al fit correctly. |
| 03:56.22 | Jacen | *all |
| 03:56.26 | Jacen | On the screen I mean. |
| 03:56.27 | goodwill | Jacen: I am pretty sure openembedded has pidgin |
| 03:56.30 | tessier | pidgin is a resource hog? |
| 03:56.44 | goodwill | Jacen: I do nto knwo if will look good on X |
| 03:56.48 | rivalarrival | Pidgen can be a real resource hog. |
| 03:56.59 | goodwill | pidging also has a text client call finch I believe |
| 03:57.05 | goodwill | you can run in the OM terminal |
| 03:57.05 | Jacen | openembedded? |
| 03:57.15 | ieatlint_ | well, pidgin and finch work on a library called libpurple |
| 03:57.15 | Jacen | Ah, anyone tried it out? |
| 03:57.16 | goodwill | rivalarrival: the plugins tend to be resource hogs |
| 03:57.29 | ieatlint_ | so you can take the libpurple library, and make a lightweight gtk ui in theory |
| 03:57.29 | goodwill | Jacen: no idea |
| 03:58.23 | ieatlint_ | plus, the sms shortcodes could be interesting |
| 03:58.24 | goodwill | Jacen: OM os is based on openembedded |
| 03:58.32 | ieatlint_ | maintaining a gprs connection is a battery issue |
| 03:58.37 | Jacen | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 03:58.40 | ieatlint_ | but aim at least has an sms gateway |
| 03:58.52 | ieatlint_ | if you could write a client based around sending sms instead of using data... |
| 03:59.54 | taslack | so anyone have any videos up showing off the freerunner yet? |
| 04:00.53 | Jacen | Oo, that'd be fun. |
| 04:01.01 | Jacen | By the way; how IS the batter life for the Freerunner? |
| 04:01.26 | Jacen | *battery |
| 04:02.17 | linuxxr | slackware has finch |
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| 04:03.36 | goodwill | linuxxr: ok? |
| 04:04.03 | ChandleWEi | kd8ikt: " This doesn't work on official OM 2007.2 repositories. However, if you use a ScaredyCat release (http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/) it should work fine." I don't know how to change to ScaredyCat release, and now my opkg/om-gta02-feed.conf is src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gt |
| 04:04.33 | ChandleWEi | kd8ikt: and what I need to change this repositories |
| 04:04.51 | nuclear_eclipse | scaredycat seems to only be for gta01 right now, so that's a no-go on the freerunner |
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| 04:07.26 | linuxxr | but no libpurple |
| 04:08.07 | ChandleWEi | nuclear_eclipse: thank your reply, I'm just openmoko newbie, I just would how to switch keyboards in fr |
| 04:08.36 | goodwill | linuxxr: libpurple is part of pidgin, so installing a pidgin package will do it |
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| 04:09.22 | nuclear_eclipse | linuxxr: I thought finch was a CLI app that was built on top of libpurple as a proof-of-concept type deal? |
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| 04:11.59 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.59 | linuxxr | CA, US 07/11/2008 7:11 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN |
| 04:12.21 | linuxxr | well in slackware i guess not |
| 04:12.36 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:13.28 | linuxxr | also i would not know u guys are the sys operators |
| 04:13.39 | linuxxr | im just a linux noob |
| 04:15.59 | ieatlint_ | finch is only partially a proof of concept |
| 04:16.07 | ieatlint_ | finch is intended to be a real function client |
| 04:16.16 | nuclear_eclipse | ieatlint_: well, yes |
| 04:16.22 | ieatlint_ | it was more of an issue to prove the portability of libpurple |
| 04:16.31 | nuclear_eclipse | that's what I was getting at :P |
| 04:16.35 | ieatlint_ | ah, ok |
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| 04:17.28 | ieatlint_ | libpurple would be a pretty sensible place to start if one were to make an IM client though |
| 04:18.10 | linuxxr | /usr/include/libpurple |
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| 04:25.57 | kd8ikt | dang ChandleWEi... just now got back to my comment? |
| 04:26.02 | kd8ikt | that was like an hour ago |
| 04:26.54 | kd8ikt | to change repositories, change /etc/opkg.conf ? can anyone confirm that for chewbacca |
| 04:27.03 | ChandleWEi | kd8ikt: sorry I'm go out to eat breakfast |
| 04:27.16 | kd8ikt | dang where do you live |
| 04:27.28 | kd8ikt | Sat Jul 12 00:35:46 EDT 2008 |
| 04:27.30 | kd8ikt | here |
| 04:27.47 | ChandleWEi | kd8ikt: Sat Jul 12 12:27:38 CST 2008 |
| 04:27.50 | ChandleWEi | heer |
| 04:27.52 | kd8ikt | aight catch ya later |
| 04:28.03 | linuxxr | bheer |
| 04:28.17 | linuxxr | then breakfast |
| 04:28.26 | kd8ikt | heh thats what i stepped out for, pluss i ragchewed a bit on my ham radio |
| 04:29.25 | kd8ikt | lol chewbacca cmon dont tell me i'm the only one who laughed at that |
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| 04:36.40 | Chocky | woo. |
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| 04:37.24 | goodwill | someone do me a favor and message me with my name in the line |
| 04:37.31 | goodwill | need to check a plugin |
| 04:37.32 | Chocky | make some corrections and additions to getting started page ;-) |
| 04:37.38 | Chocky | did opkg upgrade - takes some time. |
| 04:38.13 | goodwill | anyone? |
| 04:38.58 | Chocky | slaps goodwill around |
| 04:39.03 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 04:39.06 | goodwill | does nto work |
| 04:39.11 | goodwill | let me restart the chant client |
| 04:39.35 | kd8ikt | Chocky: sooo hows teh fone |
| 04:39.47 | Chocky | hm, I think it upgrades dropbear then dumps you out and the upgrade status is lost |
| 04:39.51 | kd8ikt | you've been awol for hours |
| 04:39.52 | Chocky | still poking at it |
| 04:40.00 | Chocky | went home, had dinner, put kid to bed |
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| 04:40.11 | goodwill | Chocky: again please? |
| 04:40.13 | kd8ikt | ah a picket fence owner |
| 04:40.23 | Chocky | beats goodwill silly |
| 04:40.30 | Chocky | alas no, a condo renter |
| 04:40.30 | goodwill | grrr |
| 04:40.40 | kd8ikt | using irc on your phone? |
| 04:40.45 | goodwill | no |
| 04:40.46 | Chocky | hardly |
| 04:40.48 | Chocky | heh |
| 04:40.49 | goodwill | Chocky: one more time |
| 04:41.02 | Chocky | stabs goodwill in the eye |
| 04:41.12 | goodwill | goodwill: hello |
| 04:41.17 | mmontour | goodwill blows goats. I have proof. |
| 04:41.20 | goodwill | does not work |
| 04:41.25 | goodwill | grumbles |
| 04:41.27 | kd8ikt | def need an irc client or... nevermind its got ssh i can ssh into my server and user irssi, |
| 04:41.37 | kd8ikt | noneed for bloat |
| 04:41.39 | nuclear_eclipse | kd8ikt: my thoughts exactly :) |
| 04:41.39 | goodwill | thank you guyes |
| 04:42.49 | nuclear_eclipse | kd8ikt: I've aliased irc='ssh -t dyson screen -Rd irssi irssi' so that I can log in from any PC to a single persistent session, and it works beautifully |
| 04:42.59 | Chocky | geek. |
| 04:43.04 | nuclear_eclipse | :) |
| 04:43.24 | nuclear_eclipse | I regularly work from multiple unix machines, so it's a must :P |
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| 04:43.32 | goodwill | ok I think it works |
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| 04:52.15 | Chocky | stupid dropbear |
| 04:52.21 | Chocky | opkg so lame |
| 04:52.43 | goodwill | Chocky: why? |
| 04:53.08 | Chocky | try 'opkg install dropdear' over ssh |
| 04:53.17 | Chocky | dropbear |
| 04:53.26 | Chocky | if this were Debian ... grumble. |
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| 04:58.18 | iphone | hah |
| 04:58.56 | kd8ikt | add an & just incase the operation kills your connection |
| 05:00.26 | Chocky | it's more than that |
| 05:00.40 | Chocky | it gets confused about configuration and such. never mind. |
| 05:01.25 | ieatlint_ | what image are you using chocky? |
| 05:01.29 | niklauz | anyone know if there is a way to run ssh through https, or something like that, basically i'm not allowed ssh but i really miss console access to my server |
| 05:01.44 | Chocky | whatever it shipped with |
| 05:02.08 | ieatlint_ | niklauz: just change the ssh daemon to run on port 443 |
| 05:02.42 | niklauz | that is still snoopable as ssh though, better to not look like i'm trying to circumvent them |
| 05:02.50 | kd8ikt | chocky i got something that will cheer you up |
| 05:02.58 | kd8ikt | http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_mudd.png |
| 05:03.28 | Chocky | the reference is lost on me |
| 05:03.41 | kd8ikt | never seen startrek? |
| 05:03.46 | Chocky | yes, but still |
| 05:04.05 | goodwill | wow the name of the actress who plays the White Witch in Chronicles of Narnia is actual Tilda |
| 05:04.14 | kd8ikt | lol cool |
| 05:04.14 | goodwill | I wonder if she abbreviates it using ~ |
| 05:04.22 | kd8ikt | [#openmoko] |
| 05:04.52 | kd8ikt | ok Chocky howbout this one http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_espionage.png |
| 05:05.10 | Chocky | hm, yes |
| 05:05.42 | Chocky | waits for opkg lots |
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| 05:07.38 | ieatlint_ | heh, the daily 2007.2 image doesn't have a dhcp client |
| 05:07.49 | Chocky | the humanity of it |
| 05:07.56 | Chocky | and iwconfig key doesn't work |
| 05:08.43 | ieatlint_ | just noticed that |
| 05:08.50 | ieatlint_ | it's not compiled into the kernel correctly |
| 05:09.16 | kd8ikt | need extra modules? |
| 05:09.16 | mwester | How so? defconfig problem? |
| 05:10.50 | ieatlint_ | encryption support is a module in the wifi stack |
| 05:11.28 | ieatlint_ | IEEE 802.11 WEP encryption (802.1x) |
| 05:11.33 | ieatlint_ | IEEE 802.11i CCMP support |
| 05:11.38 | ieatlint_ | IEEE 802.11i TKIP encryption |
| 05:11.44 | ieatlint_ | all 3 are modules in the kernel config |
| 05:12.05 | *** part/#openmoko dantalizing (n=dan@wsip-70-184-147-28.ga.at.cox.net) |
| 05:12.06 | mwester | That's a problem? |
| 05:12.14 | kd8ikt | so you need to install the modules ipkg |
| 05:12.26 | ieatlint_ | ah, didn't know there was a modules pack for them |
| 05:12.37 | ieatlint_ | anyway, i'll deal with it later |
| 05:12.39 | kd8ikt | sould be in the repo |
| 05:12.57 | kd8ikt | if it modulized em or try modprobing em |
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| 05:14.44 | ieatlint_ | well, they're not included, but they may be in a package |
| 05:14.59 | ieatlint_ | i just checked... /lib/modules is pretty bare |
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| 05:16.31 | daMaestro | got his shipping confirmation |
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| 05:19.08 | Chocky | gah |
| 05:19.15 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.16 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.45 | carrar | Stop making excuses and do it!! |
| 05:19.47 | carrar | :) |
| 05:21.26 | Hoolxi | hi, i've notice that mokomakefile set "~/build/conf/local.conf" to "om-gta01", is this correct for Neofreerunner? |
| 05:22.23 | mmontour | om-gta02 for Freerunner |
| 05:23.09 | Hoolxi | mmontour, so, the default is wrong, i have to correct manually? |
| 05:24.15 | mmontour | yes, you should change your local.conf |
| 05:25.06 | Chocky | oh dear |
| 05:25.10 | Chocky | I broke something |
| 05:25.14 | Chocky | oh, wait. |
| 05:25.20 | Chocky | just takes ages ;-) |
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| 05:29.32 | Chocky | tries GPS |
| 05:29.37 | kd8ikt | lol search youtube for "fake rope" |
| 05:32.21 | Chocky | iwconfig works now |
| 05:33.58 | kd8ikt | modprobe? |
| 05:34.06 | Chocky | upgrade, reboot |
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| 05:38.13 | goodwill | openmoko has a lot of maillists |
| 05:38.21 | Jacen | >_> |
| 05:38.25 | Jacen | Yeah. O__o; |
| 05:38.36 | Chocky | has a lot of bedtime |
| 05:38.45 | Jacen | NO YOU DON'T |
| 05:38.49 | Jacen | YOU STAY RIGHT HERE |
| 05:38.53 | goodwill | hahahah |
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| 05:39.45 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, awesome |
| 05:41.49 | kd8ikt | for what |
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| 05:45.07 | KrisAbsinthe | thats funny |
| 05:46.50 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, the fake rope recommendation |
| 05:46.58 | kd8ikt | i fricken love youtube |
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| 05:47.17 | kd8ikt | we need to work on a youtube freerunner app |
| 05:47.32 | daMaestro | iirc, there are no arm builds of flash |
| 05:47.54 | kd8ikt | NOOOO |
| 05:47.59 | goodwill | I though chumby was arm |
| 05:48.02 | goodwill | it has flash |
| 05:48.08 | goodwill | and also N800 and 810 |
| 05:49.02 | goodwill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3SffhzAjBY |
| 05:49.24 | goodwill | flash on N800 |
| 05:50.38 | kd8ikt | oh man i forgot i wanted one of those nokia tablets |
| 05:52.27 | daMaestro | goodwill, link to the builds? |
| 05:52.47 | goodwill | I do not have any |
| 05:52.53 | goodwill | I'll look around |
| 05:52.58 | goodwill | but flash can run on arm |
| 05:55.05 | kd8ikt | flash lite? |
| 05:55.45 | Jacen | Argg.. ... Odd place to ask, but anyone know where you can get decent working Laptops for under $100? >__>; |
| 05:56.06 | goodwill | Jacen: freegeek? freecycle? |
| 05:56.12 | goodwill | Jacen: define decent |
| 05:56.19 | niklauz | haha |
| 05:56.24 | kd8ikt | laptop <=100 thats laughable |
| 05:56.25 | niklauz | olpc, oops! |
| 05:56.33 | goodwill | kd8ikt: nope flash 9 |
| 05:57.08 | kd8ikt | i'll sell you this 486@50mhz 500mb drive laptop for 100 |
| 05:57.26 | goodwill | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2008/05/02/43661/arm-welcomes-adobes-mobile-flash-move.htm |
| 05:57.34 | kd8ikt | heh my linksys router has power cpu then that ;) |
| 05:58.52 | daMaestro | Jacen, http://laptop.org |
| 05:59.03 | kd8ikt | it chugs for seconds just loging in via ssh |
| 05:59.28 | kd8ikt | they still selling the buy two get one |
| 06:00.02 | daMaestro | goodwill, yeah, i had found that |
| 06:00.05 | smhar | openmoko webstore shows an empty list in Purchase Options: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner |
| 06:00.05 | kd8ikt | nope even still that was like 400$ |
| 06:00.20 | Jacen | >_> Sorry, had to disapear. |
| 06:00.20 | kd8ikt | sold out |
| 06:00.32 | kd8ikt | for now |
| 06:01.05 | Jacen | Anyways, Freecycle would be great if I didn't live in the middle of nowhere. Kekeke. |
| 06:01.18 | kd8ikt | Sold Out? |
| 06:01.19 | kd8ikt | GSM 900Mhz variant stock is due on on July 25th |
| 06:02.06 | kd8ikt | anyone know if the sold out applies for the other stores in asia/europe? |
| 06:04.45 | daMaestro | it should really be made more clear it's sold out and more are on the way |
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| 06:07.09 | ChandleWEi | what's different with Qtopia and openmoko .I find a project name Qtopia in ASU_Feature_Plan,how diff this Qtopia with trolltech.com/products/qtopia |
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| 06:08.56 | Fossi | hi |
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| 06:12.59 | smhar | kd8ikt, how did you know about the 25th date? does this apply to openmoko store? |
| 06:14.12 | goodwill | smhar: it applies only to 900mhz I believe |
| 06:14.25 | kd8ikt | its there in small letters on that link you sent |
| 06:14.43 | kd8ikt | under SOLD OUT? |
| 06:14.55 | kd8ikt | bottom right |
| 06:15.03 | kd8ikt | i just copy/pasted |
| 06:16.05 | smhar | goodwill, kd8ikt, I am a happy duck again :-) I am only intrested in the 900mhz models ,,yay |
| 06:16.28 | kd8ikt | oh... well noproblem |
| 06:17.48 | smhar | will the new patch of FreeRunners have their antena problem fixed? |
| 06:18.17 | Fossi | i guess the new patch wont have one to begin with |
| 06:18.31 | kd8ikt | batch |
| 06:19.42 | smhar | Fossi, ?? how come? |
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| 06:19.56 | kd8ikt | antenna problem* |
| 06:20.05 | kd8ikt | no problem= no fix |
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| 06:20.38 | smhar | kd8ikt, oh, I thought you meant no gps antena to begin with :-) |
| 06:20.47 | goodwill | what the problem? |
| 06:20.51 | goodwill | whats the problem? |
| 06:20.59 | Fossi | see topic |
| 06:20.59 | kd8ikt | ~gps |
| 06:21.00 | apt | hmm... gps is http://russnelson.com/ipaq/gps/ or qpegps.sf.net or gpsqpe.sf.net |
| 06:22.07 | goodwill | what's the antenna problem? |
| 06:22.15 | Fossi | see topic |
| 06:22.33 | kd8ikt | Sold Out? |
| 06:22.42 | kd8ikt | damn paste crap |
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| 06:24.28 | goodwill | Fossi: that links talk about repair...whats actually wrong with it? |
| 06:24.41 | kd8ikt | bad antenna conneciton |
| 06:24.43 | Fossi | well, it says what's wrong with it |
| 06:24.58 | goodwill | is not a hardware guy |
| 06:25.01 | Fossi | a pin isn't soldered well and the connector is deformed |
| 06:25.02 | goodwill | its deformed it seems |
| 06:25.29 | goodwill | ah crap |
| 06:25.34 | kd8ikt | well if you dont feel you can fix it i'm sure you can send it in under warranty and they'll fix it |
| 06:25.35 | goodwill | I do not solder |
| 06:25.37 | Fossi | now i just have to get a 6x40 torque to fix it :\ |
| 06:25.58 | rtm | Is there anyone online who is familiar with the accelerometers in a Freerunner? |
| 06:25.59 | goodwill | send it in? to where? |
| 06:26.11 | goodwill | local vendor? or back to taiwan? |
| 06:26.13 | Fossi | well, as it will void your warranty, i won't solder mine either i guess |
| 06:26.29 | kd8ikt | i dunno jeez |
| 06:26.38 | kd8ikt | you're killin me |
| 06:26.53 | Fossi | you'll first have to wait some more and see what solutions everybody comes up with |
| 06:28.25 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Accelerometer rtm? |
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| 06:29.36 | Fossi | where would you configure the init process in the openmoko distro? i see no conf.d, no rc.d, found no tools to do it |
| 06:29.38 | rtm | kd8ikt: Yes, thanks, I've looked at that. I see data coming out of /dev/input/event3, but not /dev/input/event3. I'm wondering if I have a hardware problem. |
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| 06:30.04 | Fossi | rtm: that sentence didn't make sense |
| 06:30.08 | Jacen | Whoo, Sonic the Hedgehog for the win. :3 |
| 06:30.40 | rtm | Fossi: Sorry! I meant I see data from event3, but not event2! |
| 06:30.42 | Sonicadvance1 | eh |
| 06:30.46 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 06:31.16 | kd8ikt | hm wonder where the other is located |
| 06:31.38 | kd8ikt | tried event4? and or all the other ones? |
| 06:31.57 | kd8ikt | i cant wait till i get my phone |
| 06:32.09 | kd8ikt | exactly one week from today |
| 06:32.16 | Fossi | rtm: well, if it helps any, it's the same for me |
| 06:32.54 | rtm | kb8ikt: Yes, I tried those. Only event3 gives the data stream described on the Wiki. |
| 06:33.16 | kd8ikt | wait yeah the wiki says "/dev/input/event2 and /dev/input/event3" |
| 06:33.19 | rtm | Fossi: That does make me feel somewhat better. |
| 06:34.09 | rtm | If you "cat /dev/input/event3 | od", you see the stream described on the Wiki, and the stream changes when you move your phone. |
| 06:34.28 | rtm | Not so for event2, at least on my unit. |
| 06:36.19 | Fossi | same here |
| 06:36.24 | ieatlint_ | same here |
| 06:36.34 | ieatlint_ | event3 is good, 2 is nothing... i seem to recall this on the mailing list |
| 06:36.41 | Fossi | so maybe it's a driver problem or somesuch |
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| 06:37.07 | H264 | w00t! I just found out it was finally released! |
| 06:37.13 | ieatlint_ | "ok, neod seems to do something with them and seems to sometimes reconfigure them. |
| 06:37.13 | ieatlint_ | That seems to be the reason why I got no data. |
| 06:37.13 | ieatlint_ | I have managed to get values from event2, too now." |
| 06:37.14 | rtm | OK, thanks for the info, and for checking your devices. |
| 06:37.16 | H264 | I'm so happy |
| 06:37.32 | ieatlint_ | so something with "neod" ... not even sure what that is |
| 06:37.35 | H264 | now all I have to do is buy one... heh |
| 06:38.45 | Fossi | i has a matchbox-keyboard \o/ |
| 06:38.50 | Fossi | finally a / |
| 06:38.53 | ieatlint_ | i managed to get wifi working with wpa |
| 06:39.09 | Fossi | though i was thinking about just putting that character into multitab |
| 06:40.02 | Fossi | ieatlint: i don't even wanna try ;D |
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| 06:40.39 | ieatlint_ | i did because i want to install packages without creating some nat through the usb0 if |
| 06:40.39 | rtm | ieatlint: Was everything you needed on the Wiki page about Freerunner wifi, or did you have to do a lot of sleuthing? |
| 06:41.17 | ieatlint_ | uhm, i needed some info from the wiki, but i also had a bit of experience with it |
| 06:41.42 | ieatlint_ | not through a gui of course, through console |
| 06:42.07 | Fossi | well, i just put up an 'open' wlan with mac filters |
| 06:42.31 | Fossi | enough to keep people around here out |
| 06:42.44 | Fossi | i guess i'll even keep it open and add a traffic shaper |
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| 06:43.15 | ieatlint_ | well, it's not much more effort than what you're already doing then |
| 06:43.28 | ieatlint_ | you basically "connect" to the ap as though it had no encryption |
| 06:43.50 | ieatlint_ | you create a wpa_supplicant.conf and then run the daemon... it sets up the encryption |
| 06:43.57 | ieatlint_ | run the dhcp client, and you got an ip |
| 06:43.57 | Fossi | yes, just that wpa_supplicant likes to through weird error messages at me |
| 06:44.13 | ieatlint_ | just ignore them |
| 06:44.28 | ieatlint_ | i thought they were blocking me too, but they weren't |
| 06:44.36 | Fossi | and that my router doesn't want to hand out a dhcp address to the moko |
| 06:44.48 | Fossi | i don't know why, but i also don't feel like finding out |
| 06:44.55 | kd8ikt | how you fix the event2 (1st accellerometer)? would it be worth putting on the wiki as a sub sub sub note? |
| 06:45.18 | ieatlint_ | did you figure out how to fix it? |
| 06:45.42 | kd8ikt | fossi using encryption? |
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| 06:47.16 | kd8ikt | a gui app for scanning/listing AP's + adding entries into wpasupplicant would be *tits* |
| 06:47.55 | kd8ikt | dude i need to start coding crap with all my time |
| 06:48.29 | ieatlint_ | tits? |
| 06:48.30 | kd8ikt | read through a few C books before and can do simple stuff like math and echo's even read up about kernel programming |
| 06:48.47 | ieatlint_ | that's a job for python |
| 06:48.49 | kd8ikt | printk |
| 06:48.54 | Fossi | well, then... do? |
| 06:49.12 | kd8ikt | python ? +gtk? |
| 06:49.18 | Fossi | i think somebody works on a radar on the project stuff |
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| 06:50.20 | ieatlint_ | a radar? how so? |
| 06:50.53 | kd8ikt | gps+wifi? |
| 06:51.22 | ieatlint_ | how is that a radar? |
| 06:51.28 | kd8ikt | so you could walk around? maybe get a better idea where that AP is that your trying to get close to ;) |
| 06:52.04 | kd8ikt | thats brilliant |
| 06:52.30 | ieatlint_ | there are applications for such things (see kismet) |
| 06:52.35 | ieatlint_ | they're not the most reliable and such |
| 06:52.48 | kd8ikt | yeah... but it doesnt draw a picture for you |
| 06:53.57 | kd8ikt | not sure the ar6k supports monitor mode?!? |
| 06:54.12 | kd8ikt | *yet* |
| 06:57.08 | Jacen | Woahmagosh |
| 06:57.12 | Jacen | Mine shipped. :D |
| 06:59.57 | KrisAbsinthe | kd8ikt: no monitor mode on the FR |
| 07:01.37 | kd8ikt | is messin with http://projects.openmoko.org |
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| 07:02.03 | kd8ikt | its a bit empty |
| 07:02.09 | ieatlint_ | "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv4tl; c) AppleWebKit/525.1+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/525.1+) openmoko-browser2" |
| 07:02.15 | ieatlint_ | if anyone is curious what the user agent is |
| 07:02.28 | KrisAbsinthe | i agree, I had a project, its not under development anymore |
| 07:03.03 | KrisAbsinthe | It was a GUI for dfu-util |
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| 07:06.17 | kd8ikt | cant say i care too much for that sites layout either |
| 07:06.38 | kd8ikt | amazing like sourceforge though |
| 07:07.13 | kd8ikt | take a bit to get the hang of it |
| 07:07.22 | kd8ikt | its got forums ;) |
| 07:14.35 | Jacen | is secretly Bonkers in disguise~ |
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| 07:18.22 | Jacen | 'Ello Mr Shlee. Can I get you some Tea? |
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| 07:20.36 | ieatlint_ | opkg is driving me crazy |
| 07:20.49 | MrShlee | Morning, no thanks Jacen. |
| 07:21.01 | Jacen | Fine. |
| 07:21.19 | Jacen | sips from the neglected tea cup. |
| 07:22.50 | emilis_info | how do I stop usb0 from disconnecting? |
| 07:23.28 | aggtrfrad | if anyone from Toronto, there's a new buying group u can join, currently 2/10 |
| 07:25.48 | kd8ikt | dont you get some free stuff with group orders? |
| 07:25.49 | ieatlint_ | don't unplug the usb cable |
| 07:26.02 | goodwill | ieatlint: why? |
| 07:26.09 | ieatlint_ | kd8ikt: a free carrying back, and $30 off the order |
| 07:26.19 | kd8ikt | ? a fag bag? |
| 07:26.25 | kd8ikt | fanny pack* |
| 07:26.37 | goodwill | kd8ikt: some typo that is |
| 07:26.40 | kd8ikt | i forget that some people are really gay and take offense |
| 07:26.47 | ieatlint_ | uh... heh |
| 07:26.52 | ieatlint_ | lives in san francisco |
| 07:27.00 | kd8ikt | then you know what i mean |
| 07:27.10 | goodwill | kd8ikt: ooohhh you are in trouble now .... ;) |
| 07:27.11 | Jacen | Hmm dang. |
| 07:27.17 | ieatlint_ | yeah, as many of my friends are gay, i know |
| 07:27.23 | Jacen | I forgot if I ordered anything extra with my Freerunner or not. >_> |
| 07:27.29 | ieatlint_ | it's like "nigger" ... only they get to use that term |
| 07:27.32 | goodwill | ieatlint: you part of one of SF Group buys? |
| 07:27.39 | goodwill | ieatlint_: you part of one of SF Group buys? |
| 07:27.41 | kd8ikt | heh you'll love this lint http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_sanfrancisco.png |
| 07:27.46 | ieatlint_ | nope, didn't know there was any |
| 07:28.12 | ieatlint_ | that's not true |
| 07:28.16 | ieatlint_ | LA and vegas are the same |
| 07:28.19 | kd8ikt | lolz |
| 07:28.27 | ieatlint_ | berkeley and santa cruz are a maybe |
| 07:28.54 | kd8ikt | do you think the gsm antenna is mildly directional? |
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| 07:29.14 | goodwill | ieatlint_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#San_Francisco_Bay_Area |
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| 07:29.56 | emacsen | I'm in the U-Boot, and I've plugged the USB in, but the computer doesn't see it |
| 07:30.01 | emacsen | is there something I need to do? |
| 07:30.17 | goodwill | emacsen: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:30.19 | ieatlint_ | yeah, i may have paid $30 more and not gotten a bag i'd never use, but i got my device ... they have 5 people with at least one wanting a 900 |
| 07:30.35 | emacsen | goodwill: flash the device with the qtopia image |
| 07:30.47 | emacsen | goodwill: but right now, see it with lsusb :) |
| 07:30.47 | ieatlint_ | there is no usb0 ethernet interface in u-boot |
| 07:30.50 | ieatlint_ | it's something else |
| 07:31.15 | ieatlint_ | dfu-util made my unplug my computer's bluetooth dongle to flash :* |
| 07:31.49 | ieatlint_ | i'm trying to get settingsgui to work... |
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| 07:32.03 | emacsen | ieatlint_: is that to me? |
| 07:32.07 | emacsen | nothing else is plugged in |
| 07:32.24 | ieatlint_ | my last two statements were essentially irrelevant to you |
| 07:32.39 | ieatlint_ | when you try and run dfu-util, what does it say? |
| 07:33.32 | emacsen | shoot the phone turned itself off, hold on |
| 07:34.15 | kd8ikt | its alive, its alive! |
| 07:34.22 | goodwill | kill it!!! |
| 07:34.23 | emacsen | lol and now, it worked. who nows |
| 07:34.24 | goodwill | kill it now!!! |
| 07:34.42 | ieatlint_ | emacsen: once the phone is on, it takes like 5 seconds for the computer to see it |
| 07:35.01 | ieatlint_ | next time, just keep executing the command till it works like 30s have passed |
| 07:35.05 | goodwill | kd8ikt: kill it before it reproduces again!!! |
| 07:35.43 | emacsen | ieatlint_ they should add that to the wiki :) |
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| 07:35.56 | emacsen | lets hope the qtopia images work better :) |
| 07:36.05 | ieatlint_ | there's a lot that should be added |
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| 07:36.24 | ieatlint_ | but the phrase "they should add that to the wiki" should read "i should add that to the wiki" |
| 07:36.44 | emacsen | ieatlint_ fair nuff :) |
| 07:37.06 | Jacen | >_> So, how's the battery life guys? |
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| 07:37.06 | emacsen | but it works, and that's good... well it's working... it's uploading the rootfs image now |
| 07:37.26 | goodwill | so I got my friend hooked on linux now, so much so he complains about how the website need terminals |
| 07:39.22 | kd8ikt | hey goodwill http://youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8 |
| 07:39.56 | Jacen | Also, how long you think till the phone can be considered Stable? |
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| 07:40.26 | ieatlint_ | depends what you want it to do |
| 07:40.43 | ieatlint_ | parts of the phone will be stable long before other parts are |
| 07:40.53 | kd8ikt | well considering one hasnt reached critical mass spontaneously proves its stable ;) |
| 07:41.02 | Jacen | Lulz |
| 07:41.43 | emacsen | Jacen: I find it stable... it's pretty solid, being made of metal and plastic |
| 07:41.49 | Jacen | <_<; |
| 07:41.56 | emacsen | the OS on the other hand... ;) |
| 07:42.56 | emacsen | I hold out hope that the qtopia project will inject some sanity in the UI while the kernel improves in time |
| 07:43.30 | kd8ikt | that kinda rhyms |
| 07:43.38 | Jacen | Lulz |
| 07:43.39 | Jacen | Ah well |
| 07:43.43 | emacsen | okay, reflashed rootfs... so, guess it's time to reboot! |
| 07:43.44 | Jacen | I spoze I'm off to bed. |
| 07:43.50 | Jacen | Seeya. |
| 07:43.59 | kd8ikt | emacsen are you british by chance? |
| 07:44.23 | emacsen | kd8ikt: no |
| 07:44.33 | emacsen | I'm American. Just up at 4am |
| 07:44.47 | kd8ikt | 3:44 here EST |
| 07:44.53 | emacsen | yeap |
| 07:45.07 | kd8ikt | sleep is for the weak |
| 07:45.45 | ieatlint_ | the whole week |
| 07:45.47 | emacsen | hey hey... it's doing ... something |
| 07:46.16 | emacsen | (I had a gui then screen went blank w/ cursor again) |
| 07:46.28 | ieatlint_ | i got settingsgui running, yay |
| 07:46.39 | ieatlint_ | although it's only kinda supported by the gta02, having been written for gta01 |
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| 07:48.00 | goodwill | ooh, google access using shell |
| 07:48.02 | goodwill | goosh.com |
| 07:49.03 | rwhitby | .org |
| 07:49.17 | goodwill | eh? |
| 07:49.36 | kd8ikt | .or-G |
| 07:50.16 | emacsen | ieatlint_ the phone also makes a nifty flashlight when you don't want to wake your girlfriend up |
| 07:51.03 | rwhitby | goosh.org, not goosh.com |
| 07:51.17 | goodwill | rwhitby: right |
| 07:51.19 | goodwill | my bad |
| 07:51.34 | ieatlint_ | my old phone had an led flash for it's camera i could turn on to use as a flashlight... this isn't quite as good |
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| 07:52.37 | kd8ikt | need a way to tunr on the pixels white eh? |
| 07:52.54 | kd8ikt | turn all* |
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| 07:53.12 | kd8ikt | mother funk my fingers have been goofy lately |
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| 07:53.35 | kd8ikt | is pygtk used on the main firmware? |
| 07:54.19 | kd8ikt | heard a lot of talk about the main firmware utilizing both so... i'm taking a stab |
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| 07:57.53 | ieatlint_ | 2007.2 does not have pygtk, but it's in the repos |
| 07:58.10 | ieatlint_ | i just installed it |
| 07:58.52 | kd8ikt | just wondering what i should look into for making a gui app |
| 08:00.07 | Fossi | well, with fso, it will prolly run anyway |
| 08:00.33 | Fossi | and asaik asu can run gtk apps just as well |
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| 08:01.05 | Fossi | then again, who needs a gui if there's a root shell at hand ;D |
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| 08:02.13 | ieatlint_ | fso has python_ |
| 08:02.14 | ieatlint_ | ? |
| 08:02.29 | Fossi | well, maybe not yet |
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| 08:02.38 | Fossi | but why shouldn't you be able to install it? |
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| 08:02.55 | kd8ikt | squinting ang pecking at my cellphone isnt what i call practical, fun yes but def not something you'd see me doing waiting in the line at the store |
| 08:03.33 | kd8ikt | but thumb hacking cause i did most of the real work at home making the app sounds better |
| 08:03.59 | kd8ikt | it is what seperates us from the beasts right? |
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| 08:07.07 | kd8ikt | like an ap that scans/selects an AP and asks for a encryption key/cipher with touch keyboard at the bottom sounds much more appealing then iwlist scan; iwconfig ath0 essid myfingershurt; iwconfig key blah; dhcpcd ath0 |
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| 08:13.41 | ieatlint_ | yeah, this may actually force me to learn python |
| 08:13.51 | ieatlint_ | since i won't have the patience to do it in c |
| 08:14.28 | kd8ikt | the few and the proud with the hardware |
| 08:15.03 | kd8ikt | lets help make some history eh? |
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| 08:17.15 | ieatlint_ | so it stands to me that the qtopia image is the easiest/stablest/nicest but lacks support for more than sms and telephony |
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| 08:17.49 | ieatlint_ | 2007.2 has fine telephony, very mediocre sms, and somehow can only detect about 30 of the contacts from my sim |
| 08:18.03 | ieatlint_ | and asu is ... well, difficult |
| 08:18.16 | ieatlint_ | and fso is just telephony, hehe |
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| 08:19.04 | kd8ikt | FSO doesnt have the driver/kernel stuff for the moko's advanced hardware? |
| 08:19.19 | ieatlint_ | uhm, it may, i didn't spend that much time with it |
| 08:19.52 | ieatlint_ | it's user interface consisted of telling you your signal strength, your battery level, the time/date, and then the ability to dial phone numbers |
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| 08:19.59 | ieatlint_ | its |
| 08:20.29 | ameng | Hi, what's the web browser openmoko uses? |
| 08:20.42 | ieatlint_ | an implementation of webkit |
| 08:21.00 | kd8ikt | gecko based right? |
| 08:21.07 | budfive | webkit |
| 08:21.11 | ieatlint_ | "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv4tl; c) AppleWebKit/525.1+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/525.1+) openmoko-browser2" |
| 08:21.22 | kd8ikt | yeah |
| 08:21.30 | budfive | heh? |
| 08:21.37 | budfive | that's three different platforms in one |
| 08:21.46 | ameng | webkit/gtk? |
| 08:21.49 | budfive | mozilla, webkit and khtml are 3 different engines. what's going on? |
| 08:22.03 | ieatlint_ | everything says mozilla |
| 08:22.06 | budfive | on a full machine, these correspond to firefox, safari and konqueror |
| 08:22.15 | ieatlint_ | eg "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)" |
| 08:22.38 | ieatlint_ | safari and konqueror are also webkit... dunno why they're listed |
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| 08:22.49 | budfive | konqueror uses the khtml engine |
| 08:23.27 | ameng | where to find the browser sources? |
| 08:24.03 | ameng | I want to have a look |
| 08:24.31 | ieatlint_ | "KHTML is the HTML layout engine developed by the KDE project. It is the engine used by the Konqueror web browser, and a forked version (WebKit) is used by Apple's Safari web browser." |
| 08:25.07 | ameng | right |
| 08:25.35 | ameng | where to find the openmoko browser sources? |
| 08:25.47 | kd8ikt | svn |
| 08:26.12 | ameng | can you give me its address |
| 08:26.46 | kd8ikt | 90210 Beverly hills |
| 08:27.14 | kd8ikt | http://svn.openmoko.org/ |
| 08:27.26 | ameng | thx |
| 08:28.53 | ieatlint_ | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ |
| 08:29.00 | ieatlint_ | that was excessively difficult to find |
| 08:30.21 | ieatlint_ | i just installed the fso again to take a real look behind the lackluster gui |
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| 08:31.49 | kd8ikt | is the FSO the 2007? |
| 08:32.06 | kd8ikt | the openmoko firmware i mean |
| 08:32.32 | ieatlint_ | no |
| 08:32.42 | ieatlint_ | there's 2007.2, asu, fso and qtopia |
| 08:32.45 | kd8ikt | damn you! stick to the moko sources! |
| 08:32.53 | ieatlint_ | it ships with 2007.2 |
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| 08:39.40 | kd8ikt | ok ok i read through http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
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| 09:07.28 | dimko | holy molly |
| 09:07.35 | dimko | hello everybody |
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| 09:08.10 | dimko | some questions lads |
| 09:08.26 | dimko | a) does anyone ave good documentation on freerunner? |
| 09:09.27 | dimko | b)i am having problems doing dpkg update... |
| 09:09.56 | dimko | Signature check failed - is what i am getting every second line |
| 09:10.03 | dimko | did anyone fight it yet? |
| 09:10.22 | dimko | c) is there anyone in here at all? |
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| 09:10.32 | z3cka | i'm here |
| 09:10.38 | leinirAWAY | The signature check is just a security woopsie, it's being looked into :) |
| 09:10.52 | emdete | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.56 | dimko | does it update as supposed to? |
| 09:11.01 | emdete | dimko: yes |
| 09:11.06 | dimko | emdete: yeah, pretty useless |
| 09:11.18 | emdete | dimko: really? hm, it helped me alot |
| 09:11.19 | z3cka | i'm new... i'm just reading the wiki until my eyes bleed |
| 09:11.24 | dimko | went to sleep at 5 yesterday, reading wiki |
| 09:11.35 | emdete | dimko: so what was missing? |
| 09:11.46 | dimko | i cant install any packaging |
| 09:12.04 | dimko | i have errors and believe it or not wiki HAS NOTHING on it... |
| 09:12.07 | emdete | thats a quite general remark |
| 09:12.17 | z3cka | got to get the OM networked right? |
| 09:12.21 | dimko | niether googling helped either |
| 09:12.46 | dimko | example: i want to install media player |
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| 09:13.29 | z3cka | the current gtk image comes with a media player |
| 09:14.19 | z3cka | download this http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 09:14.29 | dimko | i don't now if i have current image... |
| 09:14.35 | z3cka | and flash it to your rootfs |
| 09:14.56 | z3cka | have you flashed your divice? |
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| 09:15.48 | dimko | nope |
| 09:15.55 | dimko | only got it ysterday... |
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| 09:16.05 | goodwill | dimko: dpkg? |
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| 09:16.14 | z3cka | then you have the one from 2007.2 |
| 09:16.25 | goodwill | dimko: there is ipkg in the older one and opkg in this one |
| 09:16.32 | goodwill | dimko: its not debian |
| 09:17.32 | dimko | is using gentoo btw |
| 09:17.33 | z3cka | me too... read from here down: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Booting_the_Neo_Freerunner |
| 09:17.48 | z3cka | learn to flash your device |
| 09:18.10 | z3cka | quite a bit of improvements |
| 09:18.23 | dimko | i am not happy with idea, if smth goes wrong i shall need other devices... |
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| 09:19.16 | z3cka | no... there is a complete reset that you can restore from... i think |
| 09:19.23 | z3cka | i had no problems |
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| 09:19.53 | z3cka | i even tried the new Qt version |
| 09:20.14 | z3cka | didn't like it as much as anticipated |
| 09:20.30 | CM | As long as you don't mess up u-boot there's no problem, and with the freerunner you can even recover from that |
| 09:20.35 | CM | only has a GTA01 |
| 09:21.06 | dimko | z3cka: i am not into qt really... |
| 09:21.31 | z3cka | i've heard if you mess up real bad... all you need is a debug board to fix just about everything |
| 09:21.49 | z3cka | dimko: me neither |
| 09:22.19 | z3cka | i like to gtk version... but word is that they are switching |
| 09:22.27 | CM | z3cka: You don't need a debugboard with the freerunner |
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| 09:22.44 | CM | You can restore a working uboot from a built in flash |
| 09:23.04 | CM | And if uboot works you can flash a new kernel and rootfs via usb |
| 09:23.37 | z3cka | nice |
| 09:23.47 | dimko | mmmm |
| 09:23.52 | dimko | interesting... |
| 09:23.59 | z3cka | hence, not that much to worry about |
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| 09:24.47 | z3cka | mine don't make calls yet anyway... so i got nothing to luse |
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| 09:24.52 | ja | anyone hae 850 in stock? |
| 09:25.02 | ja | or lead time for nother smd run or wahtever is needed? |
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| 09:25.23 | z3cka | the OM store does... no? |
| 09:25.29 | ja | hrm, afaik no |
| 09:25.53 | ja | tries ff instead of opera just in case js was screwing up |
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| 09:28.21 | z3cka | wow looks like you are right... no phones till the 25th... (900's that is) |
| 09:28.40 | ja | im surprised ASUS doesnt have a gta02 competitor. or MSI |
| 09:28.44 | ja | wtf theyre slackin! |
| 09:28.55 | ja | iriver or meizum8 might be out by the time the 850 is in stock |
| 09:29.36 | z3cka | how many 850"s did they sell? |
| 09:29.41 | z3cka | ?do you know |
| 09:29.49 | ja | nope. was a ml thread on it |
| 09:29.53 | leinirAWAY | ja: Well, from the time of conception 'till the eeePC was launched, there were 12 months :) |
| 09:29.59 | leinirAWAY | So... :) |
| 09:30.04 | ja | asus already makes phones afaik |
| 09:30.12 | ja | they just dont care about making a generic/linux/open one i guess |
| 09:30.31 | z3cka | i'm on a 9" EeePC right now!!!! weeee :-D |
| 09:30.39 | ja | isn HTC founder like the sister of FIC founder or something anyways |
| 09:30.54 | ja | surprised HTC doesnt drop a bomb somewehre on this mess and save me the hassle of some conky looking unnecessarily thick gta02, but wahtever |
| 09:30.56 | kd8ikt | anyone activly developing? |
| 09:31.44 | z3cka | nope... just a user, active trying to use this thing |
| 09:31.59 | kd8ikt | ... |
| 09:32.05 | z3cka | *actively |
| 09:32.18 | kd8ikt | then why the fudge did you buy it |
| 09:32.23 | ja | kd8ikt: shame about the no USB2. i really wanted a QS1R plugged in |
| 09:32.23 | ieatlint_ | nice z3cka, i'm on the original eee 701 |
| 09:32.56 | ieatlint_ | although i currently have my eee connected to a full size keyboard and lcd |
| 09:33.03 | ja | imagine a lil portable version of the rohde/schwarz 10K analyzer unit for about an order magnitude lessprice.. |
| 09:33.07 | z3cka | i bought it to use it as a phone... and give feedback and testing |
| 09:34.00 | leinirAWAY | ja: Ditto for the Tenori-on music device... :) |
| 09:34.11 | dimko | wanted a REAL linux phone, not more, not less |
| 09:34.16 | ja | leinirAWAY: imo DS is the best mini music device |
| 09:34.20 | dimko | hell, i got more than wanted... |
| 09:34.22 | leinirAWAY | Plus things the Tenori-on cannot do, due to being an un-connective device :) |
| 09:34.24 | ja | leinirAWAY: esp if Korgs new USB stuff works with it |
| 09:34.28 | Fossi | ja: actually my htc prophet is just as thick |
| 09:34.33 | z3cka | ieatlint: good idea... the small keyboard is brutal |
| 09:34.36 | kd8ikt | too many indians not enough chiefs eh |
| 09:34.46 | Fossi | ja: and looks less sleek in comparison |
| 09:34.46 | dimko | buy youreself an exellent linux phone and get all sort of linux related problems for free :))) |
| 09:35.05 | kd8ikt | expensive linux phone i might add |
| 09:35.10 | Fossi | and it doesn't have a touchpad driver ;D |
| 09:35.23 | ja | Fossi: dual-core CPU tho. for uh.. i dunno |
| 09:35.49 | ja | z3cka: its just i found some place that had bought 10packs and was selling them individually, but my browser history is short |
| 09:35.56 | ja | z3cka: so they might not have sold out yet |
| 09:36.20 | kd8ikt | ... |
| 09:36.22 | Fossi | well, still doesn't help booting a kernel without a touchpad driver :D |
| 09:36.24 | z3cka | i see |
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| 09:37.41 | dimko | guys... my bad, misconfigured DNS... |
| 09:38.05 | dimko | well, its not a good thing not to be able to give proper responce on problem... |
| 09:39.17 | z3cka | dimko: is your OM connected through wifi? |
| 09:39.39 | dimko | i can if i want to, but at the moment its over usb |
| 09:40.17 | z3cka | so it gets the network through you desktop machine? |
| 09:40.59 | CM | dimko: did you follow the guide in the wiki for usb networking? |
| 09:41.23 | dimko | yes, all works now thank you |
| 09:41.26 | CM | Didn't work for me, guess I'll give it another try |
| 09:41.29 | z3cka | nope... skipped it, and went to flashing |
| 09:41.49 | z3cka | i will give it another go |
| 09:41.50 | dimko | CM: what gateway do you have at home? |
| 09:42.03 | CM | gateway? |
| 09:42.15 | CM | I mean I can't even ssh to the phone |
| 09:42.17 | dimko | z3cka: actually not, i connected to my server |
| 09:42.32 | dimko | i can share my experience on that |
| 09:42.40 | dimko | its rather very simple |
| 09:43.00 | dimko | the only thing - you would have to use vi, dont ask me how, i use emacs |
| 09:43.08 | dimko | a) |
| 09:43.20 | CM | likes vi |
| 09:43.21 | dimko | you need a module built in or insmodded |
| 09:43.38 | dimko | cdc_ether |
| 09:43.56 | dimko | you can find it in netowrkig devices, usb devices |
| 09:44.03 | CM | I do, and I get the usb1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 7e:1b:3d:b0:e1:58 when I plug the phone in |
| 09:44.07 | dimko | at least in gentoo kernel |
| 09:44.15 | dimko | good |
| 09:44.17 | CM | And I have created a eth.usb0 |
| 09:44.28 | dimko | lol, why do you need it? |
| 09:44.36 | dimko | anyway |
| 09:44.50 | CM | It worked before, using iptables |
| 09:44.53 | dimko | does your desctop support routing? |
| 09:44.59 | dimko | desktop even |
| 09:45.13 | CM | You mean if I use networkmanager? |
| 09:45.40 | dimko | no, i mean if you connect another pc to youe desktop directly, will it go onto internet? |
| 09:46.05 | CM | Ah, ok. Nope, no auto forwarding |
| 09:46.41 | CM | But that part is fine, I just don't get why the phone doesn't show up, or why I can't ssh over the usb network |
| 09:46.48 | z3cka | found vendor... i think someone asked: http://shop.koolu.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=5&zenid=1mkafqj1ka0tv8tl78u8k3a0f7 |
| 09:46.49 | dimko | what gateway do you ahve at home? is it some dumb router? is it linux box? |
| 09:47.00 | dimko | ok |
| 09:47.19 | CM | dimko: Dumb router, but that's all set up right |
| 09:47.21 | dimko | CM: tell me, what does "ip link" give you? |
| 09:47.34 | dimko | woopsi, here come troubles... |
| 09:47.55 | dimko | i can help you connect to phone, but i wont be doing routing for you... |
| 09:48.07 | CM | Sure, no problem |
| 09:48.13 | dimko | CM: tell me, what does "ip link" give you? |
| 09:48.14 | CM | dimko: http://pastie.org/232563 |
| 09:48.27 | CM | Didn't want to spam in here |
| 09:48.46 | CM | Hmm.. Wait a sec, what's that usb2 thing.. |
| 09:49.50 | dimko | wooo... howcome you have 2 usb0 and usb1? interfaces? |
| 09:50.01 | CM | Wonder that too |
| 09:50.01 | dimko | true |
| 09:50.15 | CM | Unplugged the phone and put it back in, now I get http://pastie.org/232564 |
| 09:50.31 | CM | Ahh. Damn. I have an usb bluetooth plug in there.. |
| 09:50.37 | CM | Bet that one is messing everything up |
| 09:51.34 | dimko | yep ;) |
| 09:52.07 | dimko | u prolly applied setting of you moko to usb |
| 09:52.42 | CM | I think it happened when I switched baselayout or so |
| 09:52.59 | CM | Just such a pain to clean out all configurations and restart ;) |
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| 09:54.07 | evolux | hi! I'm just trying this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr |
| 09:54.16 | evolux | everything works but the font inside of gtk elements is much too big |
| 09:55.08 | evolux | the text "Registering..." at the top left scales correctly and I can change it via the dpi setting for xoo |
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| 09:57.45 | emacsen | anyone using the qtopia firmware? |
| 09:57.57 | leinir | Yup :) |
| 09:58.00 | emacsen | One small problem- I can't hear calls :) |
| 09:58.03 | leinir | (as in qtopia, not asu) |
| 09:58.04 | emacsen | and they can't hear me :) |
| 09:58.09 | emacsen | yes, as in qtopia |
| 09:58.17 | emacsen | does it work for you? |
| 09:58.25 | leinir | Right... i'll check once my boyfriend wakes up... |
| 09:59.10 | emacsen | leinir: You know what's interesting about the Free Software community |
| 09:59.22 | leinir | The community part? :) |
| 09:59.44 | emacsen | lenir: we're so small and odd that there's an equal chance in my mind that you're a gay man than a heterosexual woman |
| 10:00.18 | dimko | 8-) |
| 10:00.21 | emacsen | for the record, I woke my girlfriend up to have her answer the phone |
| 10:00.24 | leinir | *giggles* Well, first option is correct, but yeah :) |
| 10:00.44 | dimko | leinir: geek society is same shovenists everywhere, dont be offended, geeks dont have much sex, so they are bitter ;) |
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| 10:01.05 | emacsen | dimko, we don't have MUCH sex, but generally it's more competant sex |
| 10:01.26 | leinir | dimko: Did you ever watch Revenge of the Nerds? ;) |
| 10:01.34 | dimko | emacsen: who told you WE are geeks, i am not ;) |
| 10:01.52 | dimko | and no, i dont watch telly, its plain bore |
| 10:02.34 | leinir | It's a movie, mid eighties or something like that |
| 10:02.50 | leinir | 1984 |
| 10:02.52 | emacsen | telly? must be all UK people or something |
| 10:02.55 | leinir | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088000/ |
| 10:03.25 | leinir | i lived there for two years, my boyfriend is an English ex patriot, but i'm a dane :) |
| 10:03.29 | CM | I'm running the qtopia build from the buildhost, and calling works |
| 10:03.30 | dimko | emacsen: close, i live in Ireland |
| 10:03.36 | dimko | i am not irish though |
| 10:03.58 | CM | But I can't answer. Should try the fso next |
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| 10:04.45 | doc|home | I'm Irish, don't live in Ireland though :) |
| 10:05.19 | CM | doc|home: If you believe hollywood, you should live in Boston ;) |
| 10:05.32 | doc|home | CM: meh, that'd mean living in the US. fuck.that. :) |
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| 10:05.43 | dimko | pog ma hoin ;) |
| 10:05.46 | CM | Hehe |
| 10:05.48 | emacsen | yea, no audio on calls |
| 10:05.48 | doc|home | no thanks |
| 10:05.50 | doc|home | :) |
| 10:05.54 | doc|home | night all |
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| 10:06.03 | dimko | nighty |
| 10:06.41 | emacsen | great... well it's much prettier, but USELESS ;) |
| 10:06.56 | dimko | well, thats QT to you ;) |
| 10:07.09 | dimko | is so mutch not starting flame war |
| 10:07.15 | vpv | Hi, has anyone of you done the internet connection sharing with Fedora? How do I get it to run the iptables stuff and such? |
| 10:07.19 | leinir | Yes, QuickTime is not very good for sticking on a phone ;) |
| 10:07.23 | MrShlee | emacsen: 2007 is the best option until mickey and co release the new FSO build. |
| 10:07.27 | leinir | pokes dimko right back ;) |
| 10:07.40 | emacsen | MrShlee: yes, and no |
| 10:07.51 | emacsen | I spent 30 mins and I couldn't figure out how to send SMS |
| 10:08.05 | CM | vpv: Did you follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Fedora_.28Tested_with_FC8.29 |
| 10:08.20 | dimko | vpv: uuu, man... you'd have to read tnns of manuals for that |
| 10:09.01 | dimko | vpv: i find its better for you to use wireless than mess around with iptables and such |
| 10:09.12 | dimko | its much easyer |
| 10:09.50 | vpv | CM: thanks, but I guess that's just to get the computer <-> neo connection, which I've already managed to do. But it's useful anyway, so far I just did everything manually... |
| 10:10.25 | CM | Ok. I'm on gentoo and have no real experience with fedora. Doesn't NetworkManager handle that stuff? :) |
| 10:10.35 | vpv | dimko: ok, I don't yet know how to use wireless on the neo, so I *thought* sharing might have been easier... |
| 10:11.21 | vpv | CM: NM starts to ask Neo for an IP address with DHCP, I haven't been able to figure out how to have manual settings with NM |
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| 10:14.33 | dimko | vpv: i shall not be doing evertyhing for you |
| 10:14.39 | dimko | i can help a bit though |
| 10:14.49 | dimko | i only got mine frerunner yesterday myself |
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| 10:15.04 | dimko | anyway, to make life easy follow those steps |
| 10:15.51 | dimko | 1) cdc_ether - modprobe this module if its not in kernel of you main computer. if you dont know how - read documentation on howto compile kernel |
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| 10:16.35 | dimko | 2) configure your future usb0 interface to be up and to be on 192.168.0.200/24 network. its simple |
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| 10:17.18 | dimko | 3) (tricky part) configure eth0 interface with "iwconfig" program to connect to your wireless |
| 10:17.52 | dimko | 4) configure ip address of eth0 interface to one you have on your lan |
| 10:18.08 | dimko | or should i say Wlan |
| 10:18.32 | dimko | part 3 is tricky, a) make sure interface is up (ip link set eth0 up) |
| 10:18.53 | dimko | b) dont forget to change /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:19.38 | dimko | if difficulties with wifi - man iwconfig |
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| 10:19.58 | vpv | dimko: thanks, I actually can see some networks with iwlist now, I'll try to continue from there |
| 10:20.01 | dimko | another tricky thing - wireless security, disable it temporary, or you WILL have problems |
| 10:20.25 | dimko | if stuck - let me know, i might help you |
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| 10:20.36 | reboot662 | hi there |
| 10:23.47 | |Marco| | mornin |
| 10:23.59 | dimko | hm... |
| 10:24.12 | dimko | i have a question regarding flushing device's kernel |
| 10:24.31 | dimko | can anyone give it to me in simple steps? wiki doesnt make sence |
| 10:25.52 | leinir | Hook the device up to your machine via USB, write out the command for flashing the kernel (the dfu-util one on the Getting Started page) |
| 10:25.54 | |Marco| | remove the kernel from NOR boot ? |
| 10:26.33 | emacsen | oh yeah that's the other thing. seems neither image has wpa2 support in the GUI |
| 10:26.39 | leinir | Then turn on the device into u-boot using the method described on that page (the one which says used for flashing) |
| 10:26.57 | leinir | Tap the AUX key to switch options (makes it not auto-boot) |
| 10:27.08 | leinir | Launch the command you typed in on the computer |
| 10:27.32 | leinir | Do it again if it returns with an error almost immediately :) |
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| 10:28.00 | dimko | ok, lets see... |
| 10:28.02 | dimko | thank you |
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| 10:30.49 | dimko | leinir: so, for example i can log into my moko(configured for inet and also has small kernel image, which is less than 2 meg) and i can run that dfu command? |
| 10:30.56 | dimko | dfu is dangerous isn't it? |
| 10:31.19 | leinir | dfu is dangerous if you try to flash u-boot :) |
| 10:31.22 | reboot662 | anyone knows what the strange white bar is on the bottom of my screen when i tap the datum?µ |
| 10:31.27 | leinir | Everything else can be salvaged :) |
| 10:31.51 | leinir | The dgu-command is run on your computer, not the device :) |
| 10:31.57 | leinir | dfu, not dgu |
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| 10:33.16 | dimko | is confused... |
| 10:33.52 | dimko | do i have to have a card connected to my pc or it can stay in moko? |
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| 10:35.11 | leinir | The freerunner came with a USB cable |
| 10:35.23 | mjr | dimko, dfu doesn't have anything to do with the card |
| 10:35.27 | dimko | ok |
| 10:35.36 | leinir | Oh, you're trying to do the boot from SD card thing? |
| 10:35.36 | reboot662 | can someone give me some quick support? |
| 10:35.43 | dimko | downloaded |
| 10:35.53 | dimko | leinir: i thought its most logical |
| 10:36.13 | leinir | Well, i couldn't get it to work on mine *giggles* :) |
| 10:36.20 | leinir | i'm sure i'm just doing something wrong, though :) |
| 10:36.42 | leinir | reboot662: If anyone knew the answer to that question, i'm sure they would answer - hence the silence :) |
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| 10:36.56 | PBeck | hi |
| 10:36.58 | michael | does anyone want to try if a 'ssh root@192.168.0.202 "opkg upgrade"' gives him a segmentation fault error too? |
| 10:37.06 | leinir | better than than 376 people going "sorry, dunno!" ;) |
| 10:37.13 | reboot662 | so no1 knows why i cant send text message's? |
| 10:37.16 | reboot662 | damn |
| 10:37.18 | reboot662 | soz |
| 10:37.29 | dimko | hasnt got it working yet |
| 10:40.09 | Haproli | michael: worked for me last time I did it |
| 10:40.18 | Haproli | the ssh thing |
| 10:40.23 | Haproli | and the upgrade |
| 10:41.35 | michael | Haproli: when directly giving the command? |
| 10:41.44 | michael | when I do that it segfaults |
| 10:41.51 | michael | when i first login it works |
| 10:41.57 | Haproli | ahso |
| 10:42.13 | Haproli | Did not try directly sorry |
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| 10:43.22 | reboot967 | what dsn do i have to set in my windows ip config for openmoko |
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| 10:44.21 | reboot967 | cuz i cant ping google.cem |
| 10:44.23 | reboot967 | com* |
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| 10:49.26 | Haproli | michael |
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| 10:49.32 | Haproli | got the same segmentation fault btw |
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| 10:52.28 | michael | Haproli: thanks for testing, this is really bad. then i have to try openssh-sshd |
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| 10:55.54 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, a vast majority of the people here use linux. |
| 10:56.03 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 10:57.15 | Haproli | I think reboot967 had to reboor |
| 10:57.20 | Haproli | reboot* |
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| 10:57.51 | leinir | Well yes - he'll be reboot968 when he returns ;) |
| 10:58.00 | Haproli | :-d |
| 11:01.46 | leinir | Hmm... The Qtopia image wakes up now and again, it seems like it happens when the quality of reception changes... |
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| 11:03.17 | dimko | ok, it looks like it's flashing now... |
| 11:03.50 | leinir | If there's a # progress bar, then yes :) |
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| 11:09.18 | vpv | dimko: I got wireless to work with WEP security, thanks for pointing me to the right direction :) |
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| 11:14.21 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r00694e18259a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (5 files in 5 dirs): ogsmd: refactor unsolicited response delegation capability into dedicated channel class in gsm core. |
| 11:15.10 | Ainulindale | hey mickeyl |
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| 11:15.36 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: quick question, what am I supposed to kill to truly get rid of phonekit on 2007.2 ? |
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| 11:17.23 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: good question. i don't know offhand, to be honest. I think it might be autostarted, so you need to remove the dbus service file |
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| 11:18.02 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: so there's no easy to switch from phonekit to frameworkd without rebooting :-/ |
| 11:20.32 | mickeyl | well |
| 11:20.34 | mickeyl | you can kill the process |
| 11:20.40 | Ainulindale | I tried that |
| 11:20.45 | Ainulindale | I ended with zombie state |
| 11:20.55 | Ainulindale | And frameworkd -s ogsmd didn't do anything good unfortunately |
| 11:21.16 | Ainulindale | (i.e. mdbus -s didn't show it) |
| 11:22.08 | MrShlee | mickeyl: Does the OM FSO have a git and/or TRAC? |
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| 11:22.13 | mickeyl | MrShlee: yes, both |
| 11:22.16 | MrShlee | or is freesmartphone.org it? |
| 11:22.21 | mickeyl | git.freesmartphone.org |
| 11:22.23 | mickeyl | trac.freesmartphone.org |
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| 11:23.01 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: it's been a while, since i hacked on 2007.2. possibly the dialer is written so that it does not automatically follow name owner changes |
| 11:23.33 | Ainulindale | What do you mean ? |
| 11:24.17 | mickeyl | if you kill dbus service and launch another that provides the same interface, the bus name owner changes |
| 11:24.27 | mickeyl | well written clients don't care |
| 11:24.31 | mickeyl | since they follow name owner changes |
| 11:24.32 | mickeyl | ... |
| 11:24.33 | mickeyl | :D |
| 11:24.47 | Ainulindale | Oh, yeah, didn't quite catch that |
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| 11:32.39 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1f8d5bb8950e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: repair damage done by previous commit |
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| 11:35.26 | opentrinity | hi, i read that gta02 can actually not be used as a phone for daily use |
| 11:35.39 | SpeedEvil | The software isn't there yet. |
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| 11:35.53 | SpeedEvil | With some images it mostly works. |
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| 11:37.18 | opentrinity | there is an italian in channel...that have openmoko? |
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| 11:43.00 | MrShlee | opentrinity: Getting the actual hardware into the hands of developers will speed up the lack of functionality. |
| 11:43.57 | opentrinity | so you tell me to wait? |
| 11:43.59 | leinir | MrShlee: i'm sure that's not what you meant to say ;) |
| 11:44.25 | leinir | opentrinity: If you want a working phone and are not planning to do development, yes :) |
| 11:44.26 | MrShlee | I meant for FSO but yes. |
| 11:44.48 | leinir | MrShlee: So... more developers will speed up the lack of functionality... ;) |
| 11:44.55 | CM | Are there any latest fso builds somewhere? |
| 11:45.13 | CM | Did a make clobber yesterday to clean up and it takes a while to rebuild |
| 11:45.52 | MrShlee | ok, the grammar is dead. :D |
| 11:46.01 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
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| 11:47.22 | opentrinity | leinir, i 'm a debian user and i 'm not scared to update my phone...but i hoe that for calls and sms works actually :-( |
| 11:47.52 | CM | opentrinity: Seen the we phone? |
| 11:48.32 | opentrinity | CM, WHAT? |
| 11:48.55 | CM | opentrinity: http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html |
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| 11:56.00 | opentrinity | CM, sorry :-/ but what is the difference? |
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| 11:57.39 | dimko | ou yeah |
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| 12:09.09 | HauDyr | hai gais |
| 12:09.56 | opentrinity | i have to go |
| 12:10.04 | opentrinity | bye..and thanks |
| 12:10.58 | HauDyr | i am trying to get the bluetooth working on my FR, but when i try to power it up nothing happens. any suggestions ? |
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| 12:24.11 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc39eb56a185c 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): OTAPI: document methods for generic and restricted SIM access: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.Send{Generic|Restricted}SimCommand() |
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| 12:27.51 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7e0193d67bec 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.Send{Generic|Restricted}SimCommand(...) |
| 12:29.54 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra0c4f1381578 10/ChangeLog: update ChangeLog |
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| 13:23.37 | Chocky | sigh |
| 13:23.43 | Chocky | my FR kernel crashed |
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| 13:28.44 | sitwon | the openmoko-browser2 doesn't seem to let you type in forms (eg, search in google) |
| 13:29.00 | Chocky | or even let you browse in my case :p |
| 13:29.06 | Chocky | ended up with 3 onscreen keyboards |
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| 13:29.14 | sitwon | Chocky: do you have ineternet? |
| 13:29.16 | sitwon | o |
| 13:29.23 | Chocky | yes |
| 13:30.01 | spdr | Hey, i want to order the GTA02, but at the truebox.co.uk site it said there might be lots of problems with it, how true is that ? |
| 13:30.25 | spdr | i mean, will i be able to make calls with no problem? what bugs should i expect? |
| 13:30.30 | Chocky | lots |
| 13:30.39 | sitwon | spdr: it's not so much that ther are problems, just the software is incomplete and buggy |
| 13:30.48 | Chocky | that's call problems |
| 13:30.51 | Chocky | +ed |
| 13:31.30 | Chocky | seems to have upgraded from QTK to qtopia via opkg ok. hm |
| 13:31.36 | sitwon | Chocky: I guess I would consider things like "screen does not work" or "GSM modem ranomly fails because of bad soldering" to be problems... software can be fixed |
| 13:31.37 | Chocky | only thing is I have some duplicate apps |
| 13:31.46 | _newbie3 | and some sim cards don't work etc. |
| 13:31.57 | spdr | how buggy? does it crash alot? does it freeze ? |
| 13:32.06 | cjb | yes |
| 13:32.11 | Chocky | "a lot" please |
| 13:32.18 | spdr | lol |
| 13:32.30 | Chocky | oh yes, quality conversation here. |
| 13:32.44 | spdr | damn ... not sure i should order :\ although i'd like to |
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| 13:33.19 | _newbie3 | i'd like to, too. But i fear it's not going to be nice. |
| 13:33.31 | Chocky | it's not ;-) |
| 13:33.37 | sitwon | spdr: wait a little while, it'll get better w/ age (like a fine wine, or expensive cheese) |
| 13:33.38 | Chocky | got mine last much. much work to do |
| 13:34.14 | Chocky | er |
| 13:34.16 | Chocky | s/much/night/ |
| 13:34.36 | spdr | i saw u need to set it up worse than a gentoo box, but..how buggy is it really? is it really much of a pain in the ass? |
| 13:34.51 | cjb | yes |
| 13:35.12 | cjb | if you are at all worried about a phone that doesn't work very well, you shouldn't buy this one |
| 13:35.12 | davi | Has it hardware problems? |
| 13:35.22 | sitwon | spdr, it's not even useful as a basic phone |
| 13:35.25 | cjb | davi: looks like the GPS might, yeah |
| 13:35.30 | emilis_info | doh |
| 13:35.31 | spdr | sitwon, for real? why? |
| 13:35.33 | TAsn | spdr, you should order. |
| 13:35.58 | spdr | TAsn has shares with the company. |
| 13:36.03 | smhar | but I think the coming batch will have the GPS problem solved, hopefully |
| 13:36.05 | davi | cjb, What about the warranty? Will the phone be replaced by one which works? |
| 13:36.07 | sitwon | spdr, because it's not guranteed to make/receive calls all the time or even connect to the cellular network |
| 13:36.13 | TAsn | sitwon, with that attitude you shouldn't buy anything since everything will get better. |
| 13:36.15 | emilis_info | my freerunner doesn't return from suspend and ignores power button completely |
| 13:36.18 | _newbie3 | and the gsm not accepting some sims might be close a hardware problem too. |
| 13:36.36 | sitwon | TAsn: yea, but I already have a FR ;-) I like broken things |
| 13:36.57 | TAsn | sitwon, same here. :) |
| 13:36.59 | spdr | broken is fun but is it fixable? :P |
| 13:37.13 | sitwon | I got lucky, my FR worked w/ the first SIM I tried |
| 13:37.54 | spdr | :\ |
| 13:38.08 | _newbie3 | it's not like i have tons of sims laying around. If it doesn't work with the sim i have i can try to get a replacement but that's it... |
| 13:38.18 | sitwon | spdr, if you have $400 burning a hole in your pocket feel free to buy one, just don't get rid of your current phone yet |
| 13:38.33 | Chocky | I think if you need to ask at all, you shouldn't be getting one |
| 13:38.36 | _newbie3 | spdr: you only really know if somethings fixable if you fixed it. |
| 13:38.46 | CVirus | lol @ Chocky |
| 13:38.46 | spdr | but .. i want to get rid of my current phone :( |
| 13:38.57 | _newbie3 | at least with hightech you don't know that much about. |
| 13:39.24 | emilis_info | how do I get battery state on the command line? |
| 13:39.34 | Chocky | stabs use of "lol" |
| 13:39.43 | CVirus | hehe |
| 13:39.57 | sitwon | spdr, you can probably get a heavily discounted smart phone for a fraction of the price and then get a FR when the software is more stable (or when the 3rd revison of the hardware is released) |
| 13:40.36 | spdr | sitwon, any idea when that is? |
| 13:40.38 | spdr | and does it really have problems as a phone as well? coz if i could use it as a phone that would be a good start :S |
| 13:40.41 | sitwon | I don't think anyone has set a date |
| 13:41.26 | _newbie3 | dates are always just guesses and subject to change anyway. I predict it will take quite some time for the next major hardware revision. |
| 13:41.32 | Ainulindale | spdr: depends on the image |
| 13:41.33 | sitwon | spdr, it will probably be a stable phone by around th end of the year |
| 13:41.42 | Ainulindale | sitwon: wow, sooner |
| 13:41.45 | Ainulindale | It's already stable on FSO |
| 13:41.59 | Ainulindale | Only thing, right now, there's no real applications on FSO |
| 13:42.02 | spdr | FSO = no software |
| 13:42.04 | Ainulindale | (e.g. contacts) |
| 13:42.10 | spdr | lol, sux |
| 13:42.18 | Ainulindale | And if you want to know I've got no problems on 2007.2 right now |
| 13:42.34 | spdr | what image are u using? FSO? |
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| 13:44.09 | Ainulindale | 2007.2 as I just said |
| 13:44.12 | sitwon | Ainulindale: I don't want to give a n00b too optimistic of a projection.... |
| 13:45.13 | spdr | i dont have any problem messing around with it for a while, as long as i dont have to do so all the time (Besides updates) |
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| 13:45.32 | sitwon | Ainulindale: on 2007.2 my battery runs dry in a few hours... less than 6 hour battery life is not good for a cell-phone |
| 13:45.42 | spdr | 4 sure |
| 13:46.27 | sitwon | I might be doing something wrong though, not really sure |
| 13:47.20 | Chocky | powersaving still needs lots of work |
| 13:47.40 | sitwon | Chocky have you tried the Qtopia image? |
| 13:48.10 | Chocky | I did an opkg update to pull it. running now |
| 13:48.20 | Chocky | the UI is immensly frustrating |
| 13:49.55 | emilis_info | Chocky, use the commandline :) |
| 13:49.56 | leinir | Well... mine's been unplugged since i got up this morning (7 hours ago), and i currently have four out of five bars :) |
| 13:49.57 | sitwon | I didn't like the UI much either, but it looked like it was more complete, or at least had a lot more software |
| 13:50.03 | leinir | (using Qtopia) |
| 13:50.37 | Chocky | emilis_info: alas, yes |
| 13:50.42 | sitwon | the keyboard drove me nuts |
| 13:51.03 | Chocky | for example, I started a song in the media player, but couldn't control the volume nor even stop it |
| 13:51.09 | emilis_info | sitwon, the keypad sucks, the small qwerty keyboard is even worse... |
| 13:51.10 | emilis_info | :) |
| 13:51.15 | Chocky | there's no obvious way to kill apps from the UI |
| 13:51.20 | Chocky | some of the fonts are too big |
| 13:51.21 | Chocky | etc etc |
| 13:51.27 | emilis_info | and I was unable to bring the keypad back since I installed the small qwery one |
| 13:52.48 | Chocky | can't make the browser do anything sane |
| 13:53.11 | emilis_info | zoom-in / zoom-out buttons in browser would be enough... |
| 13:53.41 | emilis_info | anyways |
| 13:53.43 | Chocky | I mean. there's shedloads of potential here, but it needs lots and lots of work |
| 13:54.01 | emilis_info | anyone knows how to get battery status from command line? |
| 13:54.01 | emilis_info | :) |
| 13:54.16 | dcordes | apm? |
| 13:54.33 | Chocky | slaps use of APM in 2008 |
| 13:54.53 | emilis_info | dcordes, wow, thanks |
| 13:54.57 | Chocky | cat /proc/apm |
| 13:55.00 | Chocky | probably the 100% bit |
| 13:55.33 | emilis_info | the lack of man pages sucks a little bit also... |
| 13:57.13 | sitwon | hmm... I have -1% |
| 13:58.00 | dcordes | that's not much |
| 13:58.29 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: that probably means 'unknown' as it's charging |
| 13:59.58 | Chocky | still has a headache trying to figure out the various stacks |
| 14:00.32 | Subfusc | yeah |
| 14:00.44 | Subfusc | Interfaces aren't fun to read either |
| 14:00.45 | Subfusc | :p |
| 14:01.43 | Chocky | I'm not sure which one I should be using for what will eventually become mainstream |
| 14:02.36 | Subfusc | i think you should rule out the ETK stack, if that is you'r problem |
| 14:04.38 | Chocky | almost worse - I'm very much in a position to help; trying to figure out where to start :-( |
| 14:04.54 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 14:04.59 | Chocky | dave, dave, dave. |
| 14:05.39 | jakob__ | does anyone know if the nokia su-8w bluetooth keyboard can be successfully connected to the FR? (http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-0278352-SU8W-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B000HLWPGO/) |
| 14:05.52 | Chocky | oh, and for final comedy, I accidentally unscrewed the laser pointer and the batteries fell out. turned out one of them was backwards, so was only 1/2 volatge. much brighter after that |
| 14:05.58 | jakob__ | or is there any other "foldable" bt keyboard which can be used? |
| 14:06.17 | Dave | :P |
| 14:06.25 | Dave | Chocky :D |
| 14:06.31 | Dave | Welcome to the world of Freerunners! |
| 14:06.33 | Chocky | now I just have to not blind myself |
| 14:06.34 | Dave | huzzah! |
| 14:06.38 | Dave | haha |
| 14:06.44 | Chocky | huzzah indeed. |
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| 14:07.15 | Chocky | now I just need to collect the ~$3000 for the units downstairs. |
| 14:07.45 | Subfusc | hehe |
| 14:07.54 | Subfusc | Sounds like you'r having fun |
| 14:07.54 | Subfusc | :) |
| 14:07.58 | Chocky | Dave: is opkg upgrade a recommended way to get qtopia ;-) |
| 14:08.06 | Chocky | +? |
| 14:08.20 | Dave | to get qtopia? |
| 14:08.34 | Chocky | what I said |
| 14:08.49 | Chocky | sorry, I mean, opkg install the qtopia task |
| 14:08.51 | Dave | No |
| 14:08.58 | Dave | Flash qtopia |
| 14:09.01 | Chocky | whyso? |
| 14:09.06 | Dave | I'm not quite sure what you're asking. |
| 14:09.18 | Dave | If you want to use Qtopia, flash the qtopia image :) |
| 14:09.56 | CVirus | he wants to install qtopia task |
| 14:10.02 | CVirus | whatever that is |
| 14:10.06 | Chocky | pkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 |
| 14:10.10 | Chocky | opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 |
| 14:10.14 | Dave | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 14:10.20 | Chocky | is the result materially different from the image? |
| 14:10.30 | Chocky | apart from still having some GTK stuff I need to remove? |
| 14:10.35 | Chocky | cos that's what I did ;-) |
| 14:10.41 | Dave | yes :p |
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| 14:11.16 | Chocky | how is it different then, batman? |
| 14:11.44 | IXian-probe | preferably I'd put the qtopia on the sdcard or the other way around.. |
| 14:12.08 | IXian-probe | so I'd be able to enjoy both qtopia goodness and gtk goodness ^_^ |
| 14:12.11 | Dave | na na na na na |
| 14:12.17 | Chocky | I'm not worried about swapping, etc, etc. my purpose here is understaind the nuts and bolts of how it all fits together. |
| 14:12.51 | Chocky | <- systems architect |
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| 14:13.03 | Chocky | and long time embedded haxx0r. |
| 14:13.26 | IXian-probe | Chocky: I bow to your superior knowledge, master. ;) |
| 14:13.36 | Chocky | don't do that. At least, not just yet :p |
| 14:13.38 | IXian-probe | Chocky: I'm nothing but a humble wannabe ;) |
| 14:13.50 | IXian-probe | Chocky: yes master ^_^ |
| 14:14.16 | Dave | The apprentice is becoming teh mastar? :O |
| 14:14.36 | Chocky | Dave: your l33t speek is improving, but still needs practice. |
| 14:14.48 | Dave | Fuck that :) |
| 14:14.50 | IXian-probe | Dave: replace e with 3 ^_^ |
| 14:14.51 | Chocky | anyway, answer my question already |
| 14:15.04 | Dave | Thanks for the suggestions though ^_^ |
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| 14:16.18 | Chocky | anytime I see "rogers.com", I think "watch out, angry Canadian" |
| 14:17.21 | Dave | Yes! :D |
| 14:17.24 | Dave | high-fives Chocky |
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| 14:20.13 | Dave | pesky qtopia packages |
| 14:20.17 | Chocky | hm |
| 14:20.25 | Chocky | so you don't know the answer then? ;-) |
| 14:20.31 | Chocky | will accept that. |
| 14:20.56 | Dave | No, I have an unrelated issue. |
| 14:21.02 | Dave | From the other day. |
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| 14:21.22 | Chocky | ok, gonna try FSU |
| 14:21.23 | Dave | It's a "please wait a week while we code this function, so stop your bitching" :) |
| 14:21.27 | Chocky | er |
| 14:21.28 | Chocky | FSO |
| 14:21.42 | Dave | What were you using now? ASU? Qtopia? |
| 14:22.04 | Chocky | like I said. the default image with Qtopia opkged into it |
| 14:22.12 | Dave | Ah |
| 14:22.16 | Dave | GTK |
| 14:22.27 | CVirus | is the default image any good ? |
| 14:22.42 | Chocky | no ;-) |
| 14:22.46 | Chocky | it's pretty if you poke it a bit |
| 14:22.56 | CVirus | no suspend for sure .. right ? |
| 14:23.10 | CVirus | Chocky: how many hours can your battery last ? |
| 14:23.15 | Chocky | who knows |
| 14:23.18 | Chocky | it's been plugged in all night |
| 14:23.25 | Chocky | is not the person to ask |
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| 14:23.34 | CVirus | aren't you willing to test and see ? |
| 14:23.38 | Chocky | hasn't even tried a call yet |
| 14:23.43 | Chocky | in good time I'll know. |
| 14:23.44 | CVirus | hehe |
| 14:23.51 | CVirus | good luck |
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| 14:33.28 | nuclear_eclipse | CVirus: I had my Neo in suspend overnight and it came back up with a good portion of the battery left |
| 14:34.25 | CVirus | wow |
| 14:34.31 | CVirus | how many hours was that and what image are you using ? |
| 14:35.02 | nuclear_eclipse | reflashed with the daily GTK build, and about 9 hours of overnight time |
| 14:35.30 | CVirus | the GTK build can do suspend ?? |
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| 14:35.54 | HauDyr | i was testsing the GPS while sitting in the train and i got a fix after around 12-15 minutes with alot of sattelits connected around 10-20, ok sometimes it dropped down to 3 or 0 for a while bu it always reacquired them. |
| 14:35.58 | nuclear_eclipse | every once in a while it won't come out of suspend, but it works for the most part |
| 14:36.17 | TAsn | HauDyr, was that with agps? |
| 14:36.38 | HauDyr | with gpsd |
| 14:37.24 | TAsn | HauDyr, sorry for not knowing enough about it |
| 14:37.48 | TAsn | but was that with agps? i mean in the config? or agps needs another daemon? |
| 14:38.07 | TAsn | because with agps it's supposed to find it fast, real fast. |
| 14:38.28 | HauDyr | but now i am sitting in my parents house and it have tried getting a signal for a hour with no luck :-) |
| 14:38.35 | TAsn | btw, sitting in a train isn't optimal for gps use, not even mentioning getting the first fix, so cool!!! :) |
| 14:38.47 | HauDyr | TAsn, its with the standart config |
| 14:38.57 | TAsn | HauDyr, don't know about the standard :) |
| 14:39.01 | TAsn | well cool. |
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| 14:41.53 | HauDyr | TAsn, i was a little surprised when i got the fix in the train, but hopefully that shows that the biggest problem with the gps is the software not the hardware. |
| 14:42.16 | HauDyr | i really hope that for all the other FR guys |
| 14:42.25 | TAsn | :) |
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| 14:44.55 | Chocky | moo |
| 14:45.17 | nuclear_eclipse | cluck |
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| 14:51.39 | dragonball_ | what software dev packages are preinstalled? |
| 14:51.52 | nuclear_eclipse | none |
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| 14:52.40 | dragonball_ | how hard is it to get emacs or some text editor on there? |
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| 14:52.56 | nuclear_eclipse | vi is already on, emacs is available through opkg |
| 14:52.57 | sitwon | dragonball_: it has busybox vi already |
| 14:53.11 | spdr | how about using perl? possible ? |
| 14:53.18 | dragonball_ | ok. good enough. |
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| 14:53.44 | mmontour | perl can be installed |
| 14:54.13 | dragonball_ | currently it has support for tri-band, any quad-band phone available? |
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| 14:55.28 | sitwon | dragonball_: the firmware doesn't support quad-band |
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| 14:56.15 | dragonball_ | it's possible to flash the firmware in the future to support quad-band or need to buy new phone? |
| 14:56.30 | abraxa_ | HauDyr: There's no GPS software (=firmware) that's making problems - sadly it is the hardware that's responsible |
| 14:57.13 | sitwon | dragonball_: I think I read on the Wiki that quad-band will not be possible on this hardware |
| 14:57.14 | mmontour | sitwon: it's a hardware issue too - the TI Calypso needs extra external components for quad-band |
| 14:57.45 | sitwon | yea, what he said |
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| 15:00.29 | HauDyr | abraxa_, hmm ok |
| 15:01.28 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: and tri-band |
| 15:01.37 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: it just requires a different design. |
| 15:03.11 | mmaestri | hi |
| 15:03.12 | mmontour | I thought that it had only 3 inputs for external filter networks, and quad-band needed an external mux switch. Anyway, whatever it was required too big of a PCB layout change to be done for GTA02 |
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| 15:05.34 | SpeedEvil | Quad-band is quite possible - it'd just have required a more complex and rather different RF design. When it was known that GTA01 design actually worked, and diddn't require any debugging. |
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| 15:05.55 | SpeedEvil | I may be wrong. I thought it already had an external 3 way mux. |
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| 15:28.02 | Chocky | kids |
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| 15:43.04 | Chocky | hm, flashing so slow |
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| 15:47.22 | Lo-lan-do | Hi there |
| 15:47.34 | Lo-lan-do | Are there docs on the DBus API for the contact list? |
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| 15:48.03 | Lo-lan-do | I did the import from SIM with the Python script linked to from the wiki, but now I'd like to fiddle with the results. |
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| 15:55.17 | Chocky | maybe I'm just oily, but my screen gets dirty real easy |
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| 15:58.42 | Blalien | hello to all |
| 16:00.14 | Blalien | does anyone have the same trouble with th gps connection like the person who posted about it on the wiki? |
| 16:00.35 | Chocky | yeah |
| 16:00.40 | Chocky | not tried hard though |
| 16:00.50 | Lo-lan-do | What would that be? |
| 16:01.02 | Chocky | doesn't work ;-) |
| 16:01.11 | Lo-lan-do | I got my Freerunner today, haven't managed to get a GPS fix yet, but haven't tried very hard either. |
| 16:01.44 | edistar | Blalien: me too |
| 16:02.00 | edistar | Blalien: very weak reception |
| 16:02.12 | Blalien | Lo-lan-do: GPS Antenna CON(CON7601),there are bad soldering issues with the PIN. |
| 16:02.53 | Blalien | edistar: I don't have one yet, but that's a huge manufacturing default in my opinion |
| 16:03.15 | edistar | Blalien: of course, yes |
| 16:03.15 | SpeedEvil | Depends on the yield. |
| 16:03.25 | SpeedEvil | If it's 99% or 50% |
| 16:03.37 | edistar | SpeedEvil: looks like at least 20% |
| 16:03.49 | SpeedEvil | edistar: based on? |
| 16:04.03 | edistar | SpeedEvil: speculation ;) but many people are complaining |
| 16:04.06 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: Ok, I was concidering on buying an external antenna to connect to the Phone. Would this help? |
| 16:04.16 | SpeedEvil | watches the statistical significance ninjas comme for edistar. |
| 16:04.22 | SpeedEvil | blat78: yes. |
| 16:04.25 | SpeedEvil | blal: |
| 16:04.30 | edistar | SpeedEvil: lD |
| 16:04.38 | edistar | :D same tab problem? |
| 16:04.58 | SpeedEvil | but the right solution is to get it repaired. |
| 16:05.05 | SpeedEvil | edistar: no - typo |
| 16:05.21 | Chocky | yes. need to get a fine point for soldering iron though |
| 16:05.32 | Chocky | assuming mine doesn't work - haven't tried yet |
| 16:05.56 | SpeedEvil | At $90, the debug kit should really have a soldering station in it. |
| 16:06.08 | Chocky | :p |
| 16:06.36 | Chocky | ok, have flashed latest qtopia. the result is a bit more sensible than before |
| 16:08.22 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: hmmm but soldering will void the warranty. And that's the same reason why I didn't ordert the debug board |
| 16:08.26 | leinir | Where "latest" is how new? :) |
| 16:08.32 | Chocky | today |
| 16:08.39 | Chocky | snapshot wotsit |
| 16:08.40 | CVirus | can it suspend ? |
| 16:08.45 | Chocky | who knows ;-) |
| 16:09.01 | leinir | Well, my one from a couple of days ago does suspend :) |
| 16:09.08 | Chocky | nice: dhclient.c(2050): null pointer |
| 16:09.17 | CVirus | how much can the battery stay alive with suspend enabled ? |
| 16:09.20 | SpeedEvil | Blalien: yeah - I'd wait for a statement. Assuming you're not close to the expiration of the warranty. |
| 16:09.40 | leinir | CVirus: A long time - mine's been off charge since this morning (9 hours ago), let's see... |
| 16:09.49 | leinir | 3 of 5 bars :) |
| 16:09.53 | Chocky | well, wifi works :p |
| 16:10.02 | Chocky | if I configure from command line |
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| 16:11.10 | Chocky | this is the bug someone said yesterday. power button suspends, but then if you press again, it fades in, then fades right out |
| 16:11.29 | Chocky | I think. hm, touch the screen and it comes back ok |
| 16:11.46 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: qtopia? |
| 16:12.03 | Chocky | aye |
| 16:12.10 | nuclear_eclipse | I had that same issue when I tried Qtopia yesterday |
| 16:12.16 | Chocky | makes sense, but it's just non intuitive |
| 16:12.35 | nuclear_eclipse | I don't even think it makes sense :P |
| 16:12.48 | Chocky | heh |
| 16:13.48 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: And could it be a first batch manufacturing problem? And I sure will be waiting for a statement. |
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| 16:14.24 | SpeedEvil | It may be that they'd rather let users try to repair it, and cover any damage, ratehr than take the hits in returns. |
| 16:15.21 | Chocky | wonders how the moo the browser works |
| 16:15.27 | budfive | if a minor resoldering does fix the problem, this really isn't that big a deal |
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| 16:19.17 | Chocky | hm, speakers are loud |
| 16:19.29 | Chocky | but the qtopia media player is a lot better than the GTK one |
| 16:19.34 | retracile | *refresh* Aww, still in San Pablo |
| 16:19.37 | CVirus | cool |
| 16:20.22 | Chocky | hm, shrek mpeg doesn't want to play |
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| 16:21.04 | goodwill | Chocky: on OM? |
| 16:21.13 | Chocky | aye |
| 16:21.26 | goodwill | why not? what does it say? |
| 16:21.30 | gweeper | i just spent 10 minutes wandering around a cemetary with agpsui running and all i got were 600 bad fixes... anyone have any suggestions of things i might be doing wrong before i assume i have bad hardware? |
| 16:21.31 | edistar | retracile: http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 16:21.33 | Chocky | it's just blank |
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| 16:21.45 | Chocky | and I got two media player icons on the lanucher for bonus points |
| 16:21.53 | retracile | edistar: Yep. It's even in the topic. ;) |
| 16:22.11 | edistar | retracile: ok, missed that :P |
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| 16:24.49 | Blalien | I hope I will be getting my Freerunner soon. I already have some accessories like the diNovo Mini, Sennheiser VMX-100 and 8GB micro SDCH ultra. |
| 16:25.09 | Chocky | accessories before main device. good idea. |
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| 16:27.19 | Stroller | I'll be pleased to have my Invishield in my hand before the Freerunner arrives. |
| 16:27.52 | nuclear_eclipse | ironically, my invisibleshield shipped before my FR, but I got the FR first, and I'm still waiting on the IS |
| 16:28.14 | Stroller | lol |
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| 16:28.38 | Stroller | the invisibleshield is supposed to arrive in like 4 - 7 days, isn't it? |
| 16:28.46 | nuclear_eclipse | I assume |
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| 16:29.35 | methril|laptop | hi |
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| 16:30.22 | Blalien | Stroller: Which type did you order? |
| 16:30.39 | Stroller | The full one |
| 16:30.46 | nuclear_eclipse | same here |
| 16:30.50 | Stroller | I'm not sure in retrospect that this was necessary |
| 16:30.59 | goodwill | how many people are having gps problems I wonder |
| 16:31.04 | Stroller | I think I read afterwards that the Freerunner has a rubberised case? |
| 16:31.11 | nuclear_eclipse | somewhat |
| 16:31.36 | mjr | at least one gps problem in our order of 12; at least 2 phones untested so far |
| 16:31.46 | goodwill | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.56 | matsch | well iguess i have gps problems too |
| 16:32.06 | goodwill | mjr: and if one does not solder then whats one to do? |
| 16:32.18 | goodwill | not that I have my FR yet |
| 16:32.21 | mjr | well, having ordered from pulster, I sent mail to him |
| 16:32.32 | mjr | asking how the warranty issues are handled |
| 16:32.50 | goodwill | pulster? |
| 16:32.59 | mjr | pulster.de, an EU reseller |
| 16:33.01 | goodwill | ah |
| 16:33.03 | goodwill | ok |
| 16:33.17 | Blalien | mjr: Pulster.de is the worst reseller in my opinion. |
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| 16:33.59 | Chocky | aw |
| 16:34.07 | Blalien | They never answered my mail and the didn't read the previous one and cancelled one of my orders. |
| 16:34.55 | Tanuva | pulster's really fine here |
| 16:34.56 | Chocky | the onscreen keyboard is messed up in qtopia |
| 16:34.58 | Chocky | you get 3 of them |
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| 16:36.32 | Blalien | Tanuva: I'm glad you are ;). But they should read there mail more often. I'm happy with Golden Delicious Compupters. |
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| 16:38.18 | CorrAn62 | Hi all |
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| 16:39.04 | CorrAn62 | Is someone french? |
| 16:40.32 | SpeedEvil | Do any of the distributors have stock? |
| 16:40.50 | Lo-lan-do | CorrAn62: I am |
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| 16:43.09 | Stroller | SpeedEvil: country? |
| 16:47.30 | SpeedEvil | I was wondering if any do. |
| 16:47.36 | SpeedEvil | For the topic - as the shop doesn't |
| 16:48.06 | linuxxr | might in a week or 2 |
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| 16:48.09 | Stroller | Ah! |
| 16:48.10 | mmontour | koolu.com claimed to have stock yesterday |
| 16:48.28 | Stroller | I have the notion that Truebox & Pulster are both on back-order |
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| 16:50.29 | effbiai | is there a way to read the serial number by software? Serial on the CPU is just 0000.. |
| 16:50.35 | Chocky | .. |
| 16:50.43 | Chocky | CPUs generally don't have serial numbers |
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| 16:52.08 | effbiai | ok, but still.. is there a way to read the serial number by software? |
| 16:52.29 | mwester | No |
| 16:53.29 | goodwill | effbiai: there was once an initiative t tag all cpu's and use that number for secure online processing. aka ... privacy concerns |
| 16:53.38 | goodwill | effbiai: thankfully that went away |
| 16:53.53 | Chocky | any serial numbers on the system will be read via some I2C bus or similar |
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| 16:55.04 | goodwill | effbiai: why do you need it? |
| 16:55.06 | mwester | Manufacturing costs increase dramatically if you need a serial number per-board, and have to make it meaningful (i.e. impossible to over-write using jtag or other technology) |
| 16:55.21 | Chocky | anyway, just read the sticker under the battery :p |
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| 16:56.04 | effbiai | goodwill: to restrict all but accepted phones to a server. yes i know there's other ways.. but this would be the most conivient |
| 16:56.30 | Chocky | you might be better off with MAC address |
| 16:56.49 | effbiai | yep, but it is clonable and changable |
| 16:56.53 | mmontour | or IMEI? |
| 16:56.57 | Chocky | as are most things |
| 16:57.00 | effbiai | hmm IMEI, thax! |
| 16:57.12 | mwester | effbiai: Think of the phone as an ordinary PC running Linux -- it's no more secure than one of those (i.e. MAC address is a hint, but can be overridden) -- you'll need the same technology to secure the phone as you would any other PC. (keys, etc) |
| 16:57.30 | mwester | IMEI is easily faked too. |
| 16:57.48 | effbiai | hmm.. might be. but it's a start :) |
| 16:57.51 | effbiai | thanks for the info |
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| 16:58.44 | mwester | (I can write a patch in a matter of an hour or two that would make the serial driver substitute any IMEI I wanted when reading it back from the GSM; that kernel can be reflashed onto the device by any user.) You really need to consider some form of key exchange. |
| 16:59.41 | Chocky | wget with https :p |
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| 17:01.15 | SpeedEvil | MicroSD is secure |
| 17:01.23 | SpeedEvil | if you implement the secure digital part |
| 17:01.37 | SpeedEvil | AIUI. |
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| 17:03.37 | Stroller | So, if the unique number is intended to identify perpetrators of online fraud, all we need to do is legislate mandatory registration of SD card sales |
| 17:03.46 | Stroller | Win! |
| 17:04.17 | goodwill | Stroller: right until your card get stollen or someone figures out how to spoof it |
| 17:04.26 | goodwill | Stroller: VM's come to mind |
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| 17:04.41 | goodwill | s/VM's/VM's |
| 17:04.45 | goodwill | s/VM's/VMs |
| 17:04.50 | goodwill | arrggghh |
| 17:05.51 | Chocky | heh, motor jumps a bit when you turn FR on |
| 17:05.57 | effbiai | solaces goodwill |
| 17:06.10 | Chocky | slices goodwill |
| 17:06.12 | effbiai | Chocky: yep, i've noticed is aswell |
| 17:06.22 | effbiai | s/is/it |
| 17:06.44 | Stroller | goodwill: hey, it was SpeedEvil who said it was secure |
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| 17:06.56 | Stroller | I was only giving the politicians' response. |
| 17:07.13 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, SD has some cryptographic stuff on it that's rarely used. |
| 17:07.44 | SpeedEvil | And a serial number that can't easily be spoofed. |
| 17:08.28 | Chocky | tries to make a call :-( |
| 17:09.47 | CVirus | motor ? |
| 17:09.54 | Chocky | motor |
| 17:10.11 | HauDyr | is there another terminal application that can be installed using opkg ? |
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| 17:14.05 | Chocky | hm, no gsmd in qtopia image :o |
| 17:14.15 | mwester | Thank goodness for that too |
| 17:14.29 | Chocky | whyso? |
| 17:14.51 | effbiai | CVirus: yes, There's a motor Connected to: S3C2442 GPIO - tho i don't know how to "play" with it.. anyone know? |
| 17:15.14 | mwester | gsmd was originally written as a test program to test communications with the GSM. It was, according to the author entirely unsuited for anything else. |
| 17:15.28 | Chocky | so what does qtopia use? |
| 17:15.45 | mwester | effbiai: probably the vibrator -- it appears as an "LED" from the user-space perspective. |
| 17:16.18 | effbiai | mwester: yes, i've figured out it is the vibrator.. but how to "play" with it? |
| 17:17.28 | Chocky | and more to the point, why can't I make a call? |
| 17:17.41 | effbiai | Chocky: ask lpotter, he's one of the qtopia.net devs |
| 17:17.44 | DocCod | Chocky: qtopia uses its internal phone/gsm library to connect to the modem, hence no gsmd |
| 17:18.25 | DocCod | calling in asu/qtopia works fine here |
| 17:18.29 | DocCod | as is gprs :) |
| 17:18.30 | effbiai | Chocky: calling worked with my qtopia.net image.. tho i had to fix the mic and speaker |
| 17:18.33 | SpeedEvil | effbiai: echo 1 > foo |
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| 17:19.20 | effbiai | Chocky: speaker and mic aint working on qtopia.net image. how to fix: ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa - then reboot. done =) |
| 17:19.34 | Chocky | woks now |
| 17:19.49 | Chocky | no idea why it didn't first time |
| 17:19.57 | effbiai | speaker + mic aswell? |
| 17:20.05 | Chocky | well, my wife heard me :p |
| 17:20.08 | effbiai | (witout the link i just described)? |
| 17:20.11 | Chocky | aye |
| 17:20.12 | effbiai | hmmm |
| 17:20.18 | effbiai | maybe they fixed it. i did report it |
| 17:20.22 | Chocky | snapshot I got from a few hours ago |
| 17:20.26 | effbiai | roger |
| 17:20.45 | Chocky | bravo |
| 17:20.49 | effbiai | that's after I reported it. maybe they updated it :) |
| 17:21.06 | mmontour | I've created a "Freerunner Hardware Issues" page on the wiki to summarize some of the issues like GPS and audio quality. Can some people please take a look and see if there are any errors in what I've said? |
| 17:21.13 | Chocky | ok, will try gps again |
| 17:22.01 | Chocky | actually, I do know why I might not have been able to make a call. reception in this condo with T-Mobile is really bad. |
| 17:22.19 | effbiai | ah :) |
| 17:22.47 | Chocky | but no feedback of reception, AFAICT. the tiny bars I think are WiFi |
| 17:22.47 | effbiai | Chocky: i haven't tested gps on qtopia.net image. please let me know how it works :) |
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| 17:23.39 | Chocky | and the two media player icons are annoying. I can delete one, but if I install something else, it comes back |
| 17:24.26 | effbiai | heh, probably you should continue the feedback on #qtopia? ;) |
| 17:24.44 | Chocky | heh, run openmoko apps on my Desktop with Xnest :p |
| 17:26.14 | kd8ikt | afternoon chocko |
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| 17:28.37 | effbiai | SpeedEvil: but where is the device? /dev/..? |
| 17:29.36 | linuxxr | hda1? |
| 17:29.44 | linuxxr | no? |
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| 17:29.54 | SpeedEvil | effbiai: the vibrator? |
| 17:29.54 | effbiai | vibrator |
| 17:29.56 | effbiai | yes |
| 17:30.03 | vpv | what kind is the external GPS antenna connector on the Freerunner, MCX, MMCX, SMA... ? |
| 17:30.08 | SpeedEvil | I think it's something brightness |
| 17:30.18 | SpeedEvil | find /sys -name brightness |
| 17:30.34 | effbiai | miss locate :> |
| 17:30.37 | vpv | I'm haven't been able to get any satellite fixes with the internal antenna... |
| 17:30.42 | Chocky | hm |
| 17:30.48 | effbiai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.50 | SpeedEvil | vpv: common alas |
| 17:30.50 | effbiai | :> |
| 17:31.00 | Chocky | I think GPS is too much pain until we have a definite statement. |
| 17:31.15 | SpeedEvil | It's the sort with a little barrel and a ring on it |
| 17:31.44 | SpeedEvil | checks. |
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| 17:32.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 |
| 17:32.48 | SpeedEvil | that |
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| 17:34.05 | vpv | SpeedEvil: thanks, seems like that's an MMCX |
| 17:34.14 | mjr | hmm, wasn't at least consistently broken after all, that device I said was :] |
| 17:34.48 | SpeedEvil | vpv: or at least, that plugs into my phone. |
| 17:35.31 | SpeedEvil | (neo) |
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| 17:37.25 | kd8ikt | lol they sell gps jammers, how paranoid? |
| 17:37.31 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 17:37.40 | smurfy-phil | vpv: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware (and yes its a MMCX , bought one 3 days ago) |
| 17:37.51 | SpeedEvil | And other essentials for the paranoid. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14218 |
| 17:38.06 | CVirus | what's an MMCX ? |
| 17:38.32 | SpeedEvil | cv": the GPS connector |
| 17:38.33 | kd8ikt | little antenna connector that connects laptop wifi devices to their antenna's |
| 17:38.36 | smurfy-phil | CVirus: the name of the connecter for the gps antena (external) |
| 17:38.41 | CVirus | ah ok |
| 17:38.52 | kd8ikt | its really tiny |
| 17:39.03 | CVirus | One-Step HCG Urine Pregnancy Test Papers (10-Pack) |
| 17:39.05 | CVirus | wtf |
| 17:39.11 | CVirus | ROFL |
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| 17:43.19 | Elleo | I don't suppose anyone can recommend a case with a transparent screen area that would fit the FreeRunner? |
| 17:45.16 | effbiai | lol, this got just posted on htc-linux: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1822437 - just wanted to share :) hilarious |
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| 17:46.46 | DocCod | ok, so here my status on GPS: |
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| 17:47.02 | DocCod | cold start: like 10 minutes for a fix |
| 17:47.18 | DocCod | agps data feeded immediately after start: fix in 1 minute or less |
| 17:47.44 | DocCod | with over 8 satellites |
| 17:48.08 | kd8ikt | dang |
| 17:48.09 | mjr | gets fixes in ~2-5 min in a somewhat suboptimal area (tall buildings, but a reasonable area of sky visible) |
| 17:48.26 | mjr | maybe 3-5 to be less optimistic |
| 17:48.29 | DocCod | and don't use openmoko-agpsui for testing GPS with AGPS data feeded |
| 17:48.47 | DocCod | because the application resets the GPS before doing anything |
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| 17:48.59 | DocCod | so the agps data is deleted again, hence no improvement |
| 17:49.20 | DocCod | while if you feed agps data and just use tangogps for instance, it works pretty quick |
| 17:49.35 | DocCod | between 2 tall buildings, btw |
| 17:50.20 | DocCod | i'm quite happy with these results |
| 17:50.37 | DocCod | especially as i can feed agps data easily over gprs |
| 17:52.06 | gemlog | Thanks DocCod. Good info. |
| 17:52.25 | gemlog | Anyone got a link to a review with pix of final shipped device? |
| 17:53.17 | effbiai | gemlog: like this? http://www.snmoore.net/openmoko/pictures/freerunner/ |
| 17:53.24 | gemlog | Thanks! |
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| 17:53.40 | DocCod | btw, i am using the app from here to get and feed the agps data: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ |
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| 17:53.58 | SpeedEvil | Elleo: I wonder if iphone case would work |
| 17:55.10 | effbiai | SpeedEvil: that would be so cool :> |
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| 17:55.17 | effbiai | an open "iphone"! :P |
| 17:55.35 | gemlog | effbiai: looking more for application screenshots. i shud have been clearer. good product shots there though. |
| 17:55.42 | nomeata | Hi. Iâm now a happy owner of a freerunner and flashed the current 2007.2 image. Can I now continue to keep the software up to date with opkg, or will that not catch all improvements? |
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| 17:57.04 | effbiai | gemlog: i'm using qtopia.net image. witch is not the OS it comes with.. tho, i could take some photos for ya. if you want more openmoko specsified images or "rewievs". check out youtube |
| 17:57.16 | Elleo | SpeedEvil: yeah, I've been looking at a few HTC cases as well; problem is that most of the ones with visible screens seem to be quite precisely made and the freerunner is a bit large than most others |
| 17:57.51 | SpeedEvil | Yeah |
| 17:57.59 | gemlog | effbiai: clicked through those already. I'll just lurk here longer to find out how smooth things are going with funcionality and apps. thx |
| 17:58.29 | effbiai | SpeedEvil + Elleo: this seems like a project i could check out next time i go to china :) |
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| 17:59.23 | effbiai | got some contacts in a few fake-factorys there :> |
| 17:59.55 | effbiai | gemlog: roger that, happy googling :) |
| 18:00.31 | gemlog | speaking of bloody rogers, I'm going to pop down there and see what they'll soak me for a sim and plan... |
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| 18:02.48 | nomeata | Where can I best see the changes done to the software, i.e. new uploaded packages and their changelog? |
| 18:04.32 | effbiai | svn i guess |
| 18:05.09 | nomeata | effbiai: is there a websvn access or something? |
| 18:05.54 | effbiai | nomeata: sounds like a job for google.. "I'm feeling lucky" woosh: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_svn |
| 18:06.20 | nomeata | hehe, searching for svn inside the wiki gives no results... |
| 18:06.23 | nomeata | thx |
| 18:06.26 | Chocky | so why is opkg update broke? |
| 18:06.58 | effbiai | cuz it don't got any money "haha" :P |
| 18:07.10 | Chocky | beats eff senseless |
| 18:07.16 | effbiai | hehe |
| 18:07.21 | nomeata | but then, I found svn.openmoko.org, but it does not display the changes |
| 18:07.40 | effbiai | nomeata: to bad |
| 18:07.58 | effbiai | maybe the trac then? |
| 18:08.15 | effbiai | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap |
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| 18:08.47 | nomeata | ah, should have thought of that :-) |
| 18:08.54 | effbiai | or another job done by google: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ChangeLog maybe? |
| 18:09.02 | mmontour | there's also the 'commitlog' mailing list |
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| 18:13.43 | nomeata | and, if I may continue to ask beginners questions, how are the opkg packages built? automatically from svn, or manually and then uploaded? |
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| 18:20.38 | kd8ikt | openmoko sdk |
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| 18:25.21 | malik1972 | hi there |
| 18:25.24 | rooly|away | hi |
| 18:25.26 | vililikku | hi |
| 18:25.27 | effbiai | hi |
| 18:25.27 | rooly|away | what do you want |
| 18:25.36 | malik1972 | i have a problem booting from sd card |
| 18:25.39 | gemlog | Rogers wants 50$ usd/cad for a SIM is that in the ballpark? |
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| 18:25.45 | malik1972 | used the wiki for that |
| 18:26.08 | effbiai | used the wiki to generate the problem? :P |
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| 18:26.38 | Stroller | If people corrected the wiki it would no longer generate problems |
| 18:26.46 | malik1972 | i have a boot entry "boot from sd (fat+ext2)" |
| 18:27.02 | malik1972 | okay, tell me the truth;-) |
| 18:27.06 | nomeata | how do you mute your freerunner? There is no UI for it yet, right? |
| 18:27.17 | SpeedEvil | nomeata: earplugs |
| 18:27.22 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 18:27.34 | cjb | gemlog: seems expensive. |
| 18:27.38 | malik1972 | i need to stroller: whats wrong with the wiki? |
| 18:28.08 | gemlog | cjb: wouldn't suprise me coming from Rogers |
| 18:28.15 | Stroller | Oh, sorry, malik1972, I have no idea |
| 18:28.37 | Stroller | But I have read other people saying they followed the wiki and then later resolving their problems |
| 18:28.47 | mmontour | gemlog: do you have Fido in your area? You might get a better deal there. |
| 18:28.54 | Stroller | malik1972: I'm pretty sure this has been covered on the mailing-lists |
| 18:28.55 | malik1972 | there is not dir called /mnt/moko for my rootfs |
| 18:29.00 | Stroller | -community or device-owners |
| 18:29.12 | malik1972 | stroller: okay, will have a look at that |
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| 18:29.43 | mjr | might somebody with an installed crosscompiler toolchain compile http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ for me for a 3g stick experiment ;) |
| 18:30.08 | gemlog | mmontour: not sure. rogers is new here. they only have one ant on one building downtown... Thot fido/rogers were the same company. |
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| 18:31.17 | mmontour | Fido is now owned by Rogers, but they still operate as a somewhat-independent company (different phones, plans, etc) |
| 18:31.31 | malik1972 | there is no relevant boot entry for the last 3 months |
| 18:32.56 | gemlog | mmontour: then I guess I don't. only that one retailer in my town for rogers. also, telus and bell are both cdma only, so it's rogers or nothing then. |
| 18:33.44 | mmontour | too bad. You might consider buying a cheap pre-paid phone - that will give you a SIM and also a backup phone in case you have problems with your Freerunner. |
| 18:33.51 | malik1972 | okay, i found it |
| 18:34.35 | cjb | has a $10 pay as you go AT&T phone |
| 18:35.00 | Tanuva | I'd say a backup phone is absolutely nessecary |
| 18:35.09 | gemlog | mmontour: thx I'll price that out next. I'm in northern canada, so options are a bit limited. |
| 18:35.10 | kd8ikt | do microSDHC cards work? or just SD |
| 18:35.17 | mjr | kd8ikt, hc works |
| 18:35.21 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt:SD won't fit |
| 18:35.27 | kd8ikt | microsd |
| 18:35.34 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 18:36.03 | Tanuva | imho the sd card is a little too buried inside the phone, accessing it could be easier... |
| 18:36.23 | kd8ikt | i need to buy one of those 8gb new ones |
| 18:36.36 | kd8ikt | microsd cards are cheap |
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| 18:37.01 | malik1972 | ohh man |
| 18:37.11 | mmontour | gemlog: how far north? www.icewireless.ca might also be an option. |
| 18:39.07 | gemlog | Not *quite* that far :-) near the tip of the panhandle. |
| 18:39.48 | mmontour | well, guess you have no choice but to get Rogered :( |
| 18:40.28 | gemlog | I got brochures when I went to check out the SIM cost. Looks nasty. I can see what the iphone ppl are whinging about. |
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| 18:53.44 | malik1972 | nobody from the new freerunner owners booting from sd? |
| 18:54.34 | gemlog | montour: you're down on the island? on rogers or... |
| 18:54.40 | Lo-lan-do | We're all busy grumbling aobut GPS. |
| 18:55.07 | malik1972 | i would also but i cant |
| 18:55.41 | malik1972 | first i have to run om from sd, qtopia 4.x is on nand |
| 18:56.05 | gemlog | mmontour: I meant |
| 18:57.34 | nomeata | When I have issues with 2007.2 software (here, Messages), should I still file bugs or is 2007.2 obsolete anyways? |
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| 18:58.28 | malik1972 | where i can see the "NAND boot environment settings" |
| 18:58.35 | ferric | nomeata: file away |
| 18:58.43 | ferric | nomeata: the community is hopefully picking up .2 |
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| 18:59.04 | ferric | mwester: ping? |
| 18:59.12 | ferric | mwester: any ideas why this is happening with mokomakefile? http://pastie.org/private/cb7wok0wuhwjtdu4vngrq |
| 19:00.09 | mmontour | gemlog: I'm in Vancouver, on a Fido Prepaid plan |
| 19:01.06 | gemlog | Ah, just hit you checking the 850 on the Island on the wiki. coincidence :-) |
| 19:01.21 | nomeata | strange, for some reason I can not use tracâs âcustom queryâ to list all bugs with component "openmoko-messages". any idea why? |
| 19:01.30 | mmontour | I have family near Duncan |
| 19:01.47 | gemlog | you guys sound a bit like hams in those posts. |
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| 19:03.38 | mwester | ferric: Is that still not fixed?? |
| 19:05.10 | nomeata | hmm. shoudnât the message component sort the contacts (acting as folders, if I see it correctly), putting folders with unread messages on top? |
| 19:05.19 | mwester | If you haven't synced in the past week or two, try updating. |
| 19:05.41 | nomeata | The freerunner says I have one unread message, but I can not find it (and I have a lot of contacts, because I copied the addressbook from my evolution on my regular pc) |
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| 19:18.34 | malik1972 | can someone help concerning booting from sd? |
| 19:21.58 | ferric | mwester: i ran a make update first |
| 19:22.07 | ferric | mwester: with a brand new mokomakefile? |
| 19:22.20 | ferric | mwester: should i clean the whole damn thing out and reup? |
| 19:22.23 | mmontour | malik1972: I don't have a Freerunner but I might be able to help. What's the problem? |
| 19:22.38 | mwester | ferric: Ok, then it's still busted. |
| 19:22.50 | mwester | Cleaning won't help. |
| 19:22.57 | ferric | mwester: weird. it's in OE? |
| 19:23.00 | malik1972 | mmontour: thanx, here we go |
| 19:23.19 | mwester | Yeah, I reported it, and mickey said it was fixed, but I think he may have misunderstood the problem. |
| 19:23.44 | ferric | mwester: hm. |
| 19:23.44 | malik1972 | mmontour: the uboot menue for the shipped freerunner has an entry for booting from sd (fat+ext2) |
| 19:23.56 | mwester | You need to copy the correct file into place. |
| 19:24.03 | malik1972 | mmontour: i used http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
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| 19:24.10 | Pinaraf | hi |
| 19:25.05 | malik1972 | mmontour: but i still get an error like "unable ro read uimage.bin from mmc 1:1" |
| 19:25.05 | ferric | mwester: which file is that? |
| 19:25.42 | malik1972 | mmontour: wrong image format for bootm command |
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| 19:26.04 | malik1972 | mmontour: found this http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2008-July/001755.html |
| 19:26.14 | malik1972 | mmontour: but it did not helped |
| 19:27.12 | mmontour | reads... |
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| 19:28.08 | mmontour | grumbles that the devs evidently didn't apply the 1-line patch that removes the need for the fat/ext2 split... |
| 19:29.21 | malik1972 | mmontour: i have 2 partitions fat+ext3 as sugessted in the thread above |
| 19:29.33 | mwester | ferric: find the "generate-constants" executable in your tmp/work/i686-linux/ tree, and copy it to tmp//staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/gobject-generate-constants |
| 19:29.52 | mwester | Then restart the build. |
| 19:29.55 | mmontour | One of the issues seems to be whether you are booting with the NOR or the NAND version of u-boot |
| 19:30.28 | malik1972 | mmontour: tried both |
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| 19:31.03 | mmontour | Can you boot from the NAND one and then connect to the u-boot console? (USB console, /dev/ttyACM0 on the Linux side) |
| 19:32.28 | malik1972 | mmontour: how this works |
| 19:32.42 | malik1972 | mmontour: nand boot menue and then? |
| 19:33.24 | malik1972 | mmontour: while in boot menue i cannot ssh to the freerunner |
| 19:33.24 | mmontour | On the Linux side, run a terminal program e.g. "screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200" (or use minicom, cu, etc) |
| 19:33.50 | mmontour | u-boot uses a serial-device emulation rather than ethernet |
| 19:34.32 | mmontour | The "Bootloader" wiki page has more information |
| 19:34.35 | malik1972 | mmontour: i wrote the 1-liner on the desktop side |
| 19:34.53 | malik1972 | got 02v5 # DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 |
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| 19:35.29 | malik1972 | setting console to usb doesnt work, he returns to the menue |
| 19:36.39 | mmontour | The window where you see the "DEVICE_CONFIGURED:" should now be a terminal session to u-boot. Enter "help" and you should see a list of commands |
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| 19:37.45 | malik1972 | mmontour: thanx for pointing me to the difference between nand and nor, up to date i was using nor:-) |
| 19:38.13 | malik1972 | mmontour: nand menue has several menue entries twice, something went wrong using the advices in the thread |
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| 19:39.17 | mmontour | you can clean up the menu items later - they are defined by environment variables. The "printenv" command will show you all of the environment variables so you can see exactly what each menu item does |
| 19:39.27 | HauDyr | i tried entering the coordinates from my gps into a gps coordinat converter that uses goolge maps it was right on the spot within 5m |
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| 19:41.04 | malik1972 | mmontour: whats next? |
| 19:41.25 | mmontour | malik1972: type "mmcinit". You should see some messages about detecting your SD card |
| 19:41.31 | malik1972 | mmontour: menue_4 and 5 are obsolete |
| 19:41.52 | malik1972 | okay |
| 19:42.12 | malik1972 | nothing about partitions |
| 19:42.32 | cesarb | I'm back to trying to compile things after a long hiatus, and I'm a bit lost with the three branches (since there are still >4000 unread messages on my community list folder). Which one should I use if I need a working terminal (which can type things like / )? |
| 19:43.28 | malik1972 | my printenv is long |
| 19:43.32 | malik1972 | post it here? |
| 19:43.36 | malik1972 | boot_menu_timeout=300 |
| 19:43.40 | malik1972 | bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot |
| 19:43.44 | malik1972 | bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 19:43.48 | malik1972 | bootdelay=1 |
| 19:43.52 | malik1972 | menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 19:43.53 | mmontour | use pastebin.ca, not directly into irc |
| 19:43.56 | malik1972 | menu_2=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv stderr usbtty |
| 19:44.00 | malik1972 | menu_3=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv stderr serial |
| 19:44.12 | malik1972 | menu_4=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv stderr usbtty |
| 19:44.16 | malik1972 | menu_5=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv stderr serial |
| 19:44.20 | malik1972 | menu_6=Reboot: reset |
| 19:44.24 | malik1972 | menu_8=Power off: neo1973 power-off |
| 19:44.28 | malik1972 | mtdids=nor0=physmap-flash,nand0=neo1973-nand |
| 19:44.32 | malik1972 | mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) |
| 19:44.36 | malik1972 | quiet=1 |
| 19:44.40 | malik1972 | sd_image_name=uImage.bin |
| 19:44.44 | malik1972 | splashimage=nand read.e 0x32000000 splash 0x5000; unzip 0x32000000 0x8800000 0x96000 |
| 19:44.48 | malik1972 | stderr=usbtty |
| 19:44.52 | malik1972 | stdin=usbtty |
| 19:44.56 | malik1972 | stdout=usbtty |
| 19:45.00 | malik1972 | usbtty=cdc_acm |
| 19:45.04 | malik1972 | partition=nor0,0 |
| 19:45.16 | malik1972 | mtddevnum=0 |
| 19:45.20 | malik1972 | mtddevname=nor |
| 19:45.24 | malik1972 | pcb_rev=0x000 |
| 19:45.28 | malik1972 | pcf50633_int1=0x80 |
| 19:45.32 | malik1972 | pcf50633_int2=0x02 |
| 19:45.33 | CM | ~pastebin |
| 19:45.33 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 19:45.36 | malik1972 | sorry |
| 19:45.39 | CM | :) |
| 19:45.40 | malik1972 | pastebin.ca |
| 19:45.40 | malik1972 | ahh |
| 19:45.40 | malik1972 | okay |
| 19:45.40 | malik1972 | got it |
| 19:45.41 | malik1972 | http://pastebin.ca/1070291 |
| 19:46.08 | malik1972 | apt: thanx and sorry, will use it |
| 19:46.08 | apt | malik1972: no problem |
| 19:46.30 | mmontour | apt is a bot, BTW |
| 19:46.39 | CM | ~beer malik1972 |
| 19:46.40 | apt | ACTION pours a pint of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for malik1972 |
| 19:46.41 | malik1972 | what? |
| 19:47.03 | malik1972 | hehe |
| 19:47.07 | malik1972 | cool |
| 19:47.14 | malik1972 | nevertheless |
| 19:47.18 | mmontour | try "fatls mmc 1" |
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| 19:48.06 | malik1972 | it says "44032 qtopia_db.sqlite" |
| 19:48.24 | malik1972 | thats the file on the fat partition |
| 19:48.43 | malik1972 | rootfstype=ext2 is not correct |
| 19:48.46 | mmontour | For SD-booting the kernel (uImage.bin) should also be on that partition |
| 19:48.56 | malik1972 | really? |
| 19:50.01 | malik1972 | how i can remove a menue entry? |
| 19:50.07 | mmontour | yes - look at the "fatload" command in the "boot from microSC" menu item |
| 19:50.50 | mmontour | To remove an environment variable, "setenv name" with no value specified (e.g. "setenv menu_6" to clear that item). Then do a "saveenv" before rebooting |
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| 19:52.44 | malik1972 | he should load the kernel from /boot/image of the second partition |
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| 19:53.51 | mmontour | No, "fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}" says to load from a FAT filesystem on the first partition of the MMC device. |
| 19:53.53 | malik1972 | setenv 'bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 2 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000' |
| 19:54.37 | malik1972 | mmontour: this is a little bit confusing and not logical |
| 19:55.14 | malik1972 | i guess the problem is the correct adress |
| 19:55.14 | mmontour | To specify the 2nd partition use "1:2" (device 1 partition 2) rather than "2". But that's not what you want to do. |
| 19:55.42 | mmontour | You have to load the kernel from the FAT partition due to a bug in u-boot that crashes when trying to access an ext2/ext3 filesystem |
| 19:55.58 | malik1972 | okay |
| 19:56.02 | malik1972 | will try this |
| 19:56.07 | malik1972 | one moment |
| 19:56.37 | mmontour | afk for about 20 minutes, but I'll check back later... |
| 19:56.39 | malik1972 | should i leave with saveenv |
| 19:56.39 | cesarb | Great, if http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions is to be trusted, NONE of the options have a usable terminal :( |
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| 20:01.30 | leinir | Well... it doesn't list Qtopia... which doesn't this moment have one, due to a lacking software feed, but it'll get there very soon, lpotter mentioned yesterday i believe it was :) |
| 20:02.05 | lpotter | yes, I wil lset that up this morning |
| 20:02.15 | leinir | lpotter: Brilliant stuff :) |
| 20:02.31 | malik1972 | lpotter: hi, i use qtopia 4.3.2 in nand,i have a question |
| 20:02.54 | lpotter | ok |
| 20:03.19 | malik1972 | lpotter: can you bake a package for the "ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa" |
| 20:03.30 | lpotter | yes. |
| 20:03.38 | leinir | i have been wondering, by the way... any app written for Qtopia will run on OpenMoko proper as well, right? :) Just randomly ;) |
| 20:04.07 | lpotter | you would have to compile it against ASU, as Qtopia uses the framebuffer and not X |
| 20:04.19 | malik1972 | lpotter: that would be nice, often i forgot it, having it on a card would be a good solution as long as there is no newer version which fixs it |
| 20:04.32 | Lo-lan-do | I get "Signature check failed" when running opkg update, is that known/fixable? |
| 20:04.44 | kd8ikt | oh yea? what was i reading about that uses frambuffer, oh yeah a flash plasyer |
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| 20:05.19 | abraxa_ | Lo-lan-do: That's normal, nothing to worry about |
| 20:05.20 | kd8ikt | for the life of me i cant remember what it was called we were talking about getting youtube to work |
| 20:05.51 | kd8ikt | and i read about it on a webpage was searching flash player arm/emmbeded type stuff |
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| 20:05.57 | Lo-lan-do | Okay. What I do worry about though is that curses and libncurses5 try to step on each other's shoes. |
| 20:06.22 | owen1 | can i get the openmoko in the US? |
| 20:06.31 | leinir | lpotter: Right, but in the spirit of Qt, it's just a recompile, not code changes :) |
| 20:06.32 | Lo-lan-do | finishes editing his contacts in Emacs |
| 20:06.45 | kd8ikt | nottoday they are sold out but some the 25 there should be more |
| 20:07.00 | kd8ikt | come* the 25th |
| 20:08.25 | malik1972 | lpotter: where can i found additional software packages for my freerunner or do i have to compile it myself? |
| 20:08.40 | malik1972 | has someone done it, filemanager, qkonsole ... |
| 20:09.05 | lpotter | thats the feed I will setup this morning |
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| 20:09.44 | owen1 | can i make calls via wifi, without a mobile carrier? |
| 20:09.50 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:10.02 | SpeedEvil | with the appropriate software - in principle - which isn't installedc. |
| 20:10.11 | SpeedEvil | (skype won't work) |
| 20:10.36 | leinir | lpotter: i will be a very happy puppy when that feed comes up :) |
| 20:10.53 | malik1972 | lpotter: thanx |
| 20:11.17 | malik1972 | mmontour: now he boots, but gives me a kernel panic |
| 20:12.15 | owen1 | SpeedEvil: so i need to install a specific app, and than i can make phone calls over wifi? |
| 20:12.40 | owen1 | SpeedEvil: how come i don't need a carrier? is it some kind of voip? |
| 20:14.36 | mwester | lpotter: ;) Downloaded the Qtopia SDK ISO; love the vmware idea. (but you forgot to put a REAL text editor on the image! :D ) |
| 20:14.54 | lpotter | thats what apt-get is for |
| 20:15.10 | lpotter | apt-get install xemacs21 :) |
| 20:15.46 | mwester | Yeah, but how can you develop software without emacs in the first place?! |
| 20:15.51 | owen1 | is the os is debian? |
| 20:15.59 | malik1972 | lpotter: i used a zaurus before (cacko), how are the chances to port applications to 2.x? |
| 20:16.28 | lpotter | mwester: I can't. but apt-get works |
| 20:16.44 | lpotter | malik1972: they would basicaly have to be rewritten |
| 20:16.57 | lpotter | from qtopia 2 to qtopia 4 is quite a jump |
| 20:16.58 | mwester | lpotter: The latest qtopia image constantly re-registers (AT&T sim); known issue, and where should discussion on that happen (ml? forum?) |
| 20:17.01 | owen1 | what os is it comes with? debian? |
| 20:18.00 | malik1972 | lpotter: oh sorry, 1.4 to 4.x, bigger jump |
| 20:18.27 | abraxa_ | owen1: It comes with 2007.2, which is based on Angstrom, which is a debian derivative from what I know |
| 20:18.48 | lpotter | mwester: known issue |
| 20:19.40 | mwester | Ok. Can I offer any assistance in getting it resolved? It almost looks like some strange Calypso problem to me; it seems to be reporting that it lost the registration erroneously. |
| 20:20.12 | malik1972 | lpotter: wakening from suspend is also an issue with apm or is there a workaround? |
| 20:21.22 | malik1972 | lpotter: its the most useable distribution so far for the freerunner |
| 20:21.47 | owen1 | can i use any phone carrier i want (verison/t-mobile/cingular/etc)? |
| 20:22.09 | ferric | mwester: strange - just restarting the build seems to have produced an image? |
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| 20:24.32 | mmontour | malik1972: can you see what caused the kernel panic? It might be an ext3 vs. ext2 issue (some kernels did not have ext2 support compiled in) |
| 20:25.13 | malik1972 | mmontour: hi again, one moment |
| 20:26.22 | malik1972 | i used a kernel from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080712/ |
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| 20:26.41 | malik1972 | and did a mkfs.ext3 |
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| 20:27.40 | mmontour | The printenv that you pasted had "rootfstype=ext2", and I suspect that might need to be "rootfstype=ext3" |
| 20:27.58 | malik1972 | yes i saw it |
| 20:28.32 | linuxxr | so the freerunner is an ext3 filesys/ |
| 20:28.42 | linuxxr | ? |
| 20:28.58 | sitwon | isn't ext3 backward compatible w/ ext2? |
| 20:29.09 | mmontour | jffs2 for the onboard flash. ext3 is typical for a root filesystem on the SD card. |
| 20:29.30 | owen1 | can i use any phone carrier i want (verison/t-mobile/cingular/etc)? |
| 20:29.45 | sitwon | owen1: only GSM, no Sprint or Verizon |
| 20:29.46 | mmontour | owen1: the carrier has to use GSM |
| 20:30.42 | mmontour | malik1972: editing the environment variables is tricky. You can't just copy/paste into a terminal because that will send characters too fast for the Neo to process. |
| 20:31.08 | mmontour | Also you have to escape any '$' and ';' characters in the string |
| 20:31.36 | malik1972 | mmontour: update correct "root=" boot option |
| 20:32.05 | malik1972 | mmontour: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (179,2) |
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| 20:32.27 | malik1972 | mmontour: i could try to load the default environment |
| 20:32.35 | leinir | ext3? Hmm... interesting... |
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| 20:33.38 | mmontour | hmm, "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" looks right to me. Can you normally access the card from Linux using that device name? |
| 20:34.14 | malik1972 | never tried it, one moment, boots qtopia |
| 20:34.25 | malik1972 | will have a look on it |
| 20:34.54 | malik1972 | someone has to modify the "boot from sd wiki" |
| 20:35.37 | malik1972 | others will also be in the dark after readining it |
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| 20:35.40 | mmontour | malik1972: the rule around here is that anyone who says that is nominated to be that "someone" :) |
| 20:35.57 | malik1972 | mmontour: is i get a solution |
| 20:36.41 | malik1972 | mmontour: someone who knows about that what he writes, i am not sure if i am that one;-) |
| 20:37.23 | Tanuva | I'm just going through that page, so one needs to change the uboot boot_env? |
| 20:38.36 | malik1972 | mmontour: /dev/mmcblk0p2 ist the ext partition, it looks okay |
| 20:38.51 | malik1972 | mmontour: will try an ext2 rootfs |
| 20:39.37 | leinir | malik1972: A lot of people got confused about ext2 and ext3 - if we're supposed to use ext3, there's rather a nasty error there that *will* confuse a good number of people |
| 20:40.14 | mmontour | You can try that, but I'd stick with ext3. That "... on unknown block (179,2)" suggests that it isn't seeing the partition at all, not that it has a problem with the filesystem |
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| 20:41.30 | leinir | Hmm... i'm getting that same error on attempting to boot from sd |
| 20:41.31 | malik1972 | mmontour: any suggestions or workarounds |
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| 20:41.54 | leinir | ...on unknown block (172,9), that is |
| 20:43.18 | mmontour | If you can, check the kernel to see whether it has built-in support for both ext2 and ext3 filesystems (using "cat /proc/filesystems" and "lsmod", or by examining the config file that it was built with) |
| 20:43.42 | mwester | You MUST use ext2 or vfat for the partition that you wish for uboot to read the kernel from on the SD card. |
| 20:43.55 | leinir | Well, that kernel is the uImage found up on the website - http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/ |
| 20:44.05 | mwester | At present, ext3 is not in-kernel, so you MUST use ext2 for the rootfs. |
| 20:44.08 | mmontour | mwester: his issue is now with Linux failing to mount the rootfs from SD |
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| 20:44.22 | leinir | i'll give the 20080712 image a shot |
| 20:44.28 | mwester | Right, use ext2 because most kernels have ext3 as a module. |
| 20:44.33 | malik1972 | leinir: i did it, |
| 20:44.45 | malik1972 | leinir: no change |
| 20:44.49 | leinir | Right |
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| 20:45.19 | mmontour | mwester: oh. It was the other way around for GTA01 (ext3 built in, ext2 as a module) |
| 20:45.35 | malik1972 | the kernel has ext3 support |
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| 20:45.53 | leinir | Hmm... |
| 20:45.58 | malik1972 | nodev devpts |
| 20:45.58 | malik1972 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.58 | malik1972 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.02 | mwester | It's changed over time to the point where I'm not even sure what kernels have what where, but in general if anything is built in it will be ext2, not ext3 |
| 20:46.05 | malik1972 | sorry |
| 20:46.13 | malik1972 | its the qtopia kernel |
| 20:46.28 | mwester | Ah, well that one I don't konw about. |
| 20:46.33 | mwester | Could be anything. |
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| 20:46.54 | malik1972 | i have qtopia in nand and try gtk on sd |
| 20:47.21 | malik1972 | okay, will reload default with this serial thingy;-) |
| 20:47.27 | mmontour | malik1972: anyway, sounds like it is worth trying ext2 for your rootfs |
| 20:47.27 | daMaestro | mwhahahaah my freerunner is on the way |
| 20:47.32 | mwester | I just build my own kernel, as I grew tired of sorting out which distro had which modules and patches. |
| 20:48.02 | daMaestro | just in time, my coworker spilled a full 16oz latte on my blackberry |
| 20:48.09 | daMaestro | and now ... well.. it's a PITA to press keys |
| 20:48.16 | malik1972 | okay, next try |
| 20:48.38 | mwester | daMaestro: you've been around here, surely you don't expect the device to replace a blackberry (yet)! |
| 20:49.28 | mwester | malik1972: you can download a kernel with the important stuff all built-in (no modules required) from moko.mwester.net; that's the one I'm running (Qtopia in flash, gtk image on SD card) |
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| 20:50.28 | Tanuva | mwester: but you dont have ext3 in it either, do you? |
| 20:51.20 | mwester | Tanuva: ext3 is built-in, ext2 is a module on my kernels. |
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| 20:51.47 | mwester | notes to check how much bigger the kernel would be with both built in... |
| 20:52.04 | Tanuva | ah |
| 20:52.12 | Tanuva | is going to take a look at it |
| 20:52.20 | Tanuva | (the kernel, not its size9 |
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| 20:52.54 | daMaestro | mwester, it's going to, yes |
| 20:53.20 | mwester | :) eventually... |
| 20:53.25 | daMaestro | mwester, i'm going to take every feature i use daily with my blackberry and directly contribute to making it work |
| 20:53.45 | mohamed_ | hi all, I was building openmoko using ASU but the following error occured http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26944/, any help ? |
| 20:53.49 | daMaestro | mwester, as long as i can hack in python; i'm going to be rocking lots of code |
| 20:53.58 | mwester | The sticky keyboard will be a motivating factor! :o |
| 20:54.02 | daMaestro | haha |
| 20:54.38 | daMaestro | mwester, i think you know by now i know the state of the OM project (iirc, i've been lurking here for quite some time) |
| 20:54.52 | daMaestro | mwester, now that we have some serious hardware; i'm going to start hacking |
| 20:54.59 | daMaestro | oh, and we added python and git |
| 20:55.05 | Tanuva | is just learning python as a result of failing to compile any c++/qt4 stuff for the neo |
| 20:55.07 | daMaestro | git was the largest factor for me |
| 20:55.08 | mwester | I was hoping to replace my ancient Treo650, but the treo will have to stay working for a while yet; I'm still optimistic. |
| 20:55.17 | Tanuva | but python seems fine |
| 20:55.25 | daMaestro | monotone-- # holy moly |
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| 20:55.49 | malik1972 | kernel panic |
| 20:55.49 | mwester | monotone was/is the most amazing bit of software I've ever seen. |
| 20:55.52 | daMaestro | python++ # not only a high level language, but a well written lowlevel interface/base |
| 20:56.09 | daMaestro | mwester, it never worked right for me |
| 20:56.12 | mwester | malik1972: Panic, or just complaints about duplicate symbols? |
| 20:56.14 | daMaestro | mwester, and i was just running a buildsys |
| 20:56.19 | SpeedEvil | ponders pykernel. |
| 20:56.20 | malik1972 | panic |
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| 20:56.50 | mwester | malik1972: pastebin? |
| 20:57.12 | mwester | daMaestro: what was amazing about monotone was how it could be possible to expend so much CPU to update so little data... |
| 20:57.15 | daMaestro | mwester, i'm likely going to have to buy the debug board also |
| 20:57.25 | daMaestro | mwester, lol |
| 20:57.31 | malik1972 | mwester: how i can do that? connecting to pc, via usb and logs? |
| 20:57.36 | daMaestro | mwester, i was curious what you actually liked about it |
| 20:58.00 | daMaestro | malik1972, iirc you can set the console to use and then boot (and connect via use and cu) |
| 20:58.03 | mwester | malik1972: Can you ssh into it? dmesg will capture the output. |
| 20:58.19 | linuxxr | the dbug board the same as the board in the phone? |
| 20:58.20 | daMaestro | maybe the debug board is needed for that |
| 20:58.25 | daMaestro | linuxxr, no |
| 20:58.42 | mwester | Yeah, the debug board is needed for the real console output, but it's seldom needed. |
| 20:58.52 | malik1972 | mwester: ssh doesnt work |
| 20:58.58 | daMaestro | linuxxr, http://openmoko.com/product-dboard.html |
| 20:59.26 | Tanuva | mwester: with your kernel, mount complains about ext2 being an unknown fs type once I try to mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 (which has an ext2fs, I'm just gonna check... |
| 20:59.53 | mwester | Tanuva: Yes, I checked, and the kernels I have support ext3 internally (ext2 is a module). |
| 21:00.10 | Tanuva | ah yes, should have read your statement more thoroughly :) |
| 21:00.19 | mwester | malik1972: Which kernel did you flash? |
| 21:00.28 | daMaestro | mwester, i'm planning on spending a little time to try and develop a boot loader so i can install many rootfs/kernel images |
| 21:01.19 | daMaestro | mwester, and i'll likely need access to NOR from time to time |
| 21:01.42 | daMaestro | has put off all hacking until the code base/systems mature more (and we get new hardware) |
| 21:02.37 | Tanuva | would like to start hacking asap, first learning some python :D |
| 21:03.24 | daMaestro | Tanuva, i have a few python based FOSS projects going, you could close some bugs ;-) |
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| 21:03.49 | retracile_ | *refresh* Aww, still in San Pablo |
| 21:03.57 | daMaestro | mwester, i assume that NAND will boot much faster then SD? |
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| 21:04.25 | mwester | I've not found that to be the case; I've not timed anything but it sure doesn't seem to make any difference. |
| 21:04.25 | mmontour | retracile_: lol |
| 21:04.36 | daMaestro | awesome. |
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| 21:04.38 | Tanuva | daMaestro: I doubt I know enough python yet, have started reading today. until know, I just know bits of c/c++ and quite a bit of java/c# :D |
| 21:05.08 | daMaestro | Tanuva, basic python is quite easy to read/write |
| 21:05.22 | daMaestro | Tanuva, it really reads/writes like english |
| 21:05.54 | daMaestro | and rather then having to deal with "hmm.. i need more ram for this list" it's like:: mylist.extend([some,more,list,data[) print "w00t" |
| 21:05.54 | daMaestro | lol |
| 21:06.09 | daMaestro | loves typeos |
| 21:06.12 | Tanuva | *fg* |
| 21:06.39 | daMaestro | typeos == "it's a feature, not a bug" |
| 21:06.51 | Tanuva | sure it is, if not it wouldnt be there :) |
| 21:07.08 | daMaestro | mwester, i just spent a few hours last night porting barry (linux -> blackberry shiet) to gcc 4.3 .... *lame* |
| 21:08.40 | daMaestro | mwester, now.. i have to attempt to port it to opensync 0.3x |
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| 21:09.07 | daMaestro | i think it's going to be easier to just stick barry in a 3rd party repo with a opensync 0.2x compat package.. but that is the lazy way :-/ |
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| 21:09.25 | daMaestro | http://www.mail-archive.com/barry-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00868.html |
| 21:10.24 | lpotter | tries mwester kernel |
| 21:11.31 | daMaestro | mwester, do you know of any effort spent on making an integrated build/web system for reviewing images? or is it still just all wiki based? |
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| 21:11.49 | malik1972 | bad idea to load the default, lost menues |
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| 21:12.37 | malik1972 | how can i correct things, reload default/uboot to nand |
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| 21:14.42 | lpotter | decides to switch to mwester kernel |
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| 21:16.33 | malik1972 | The latest bootloader binary builds can be found under http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots in the subdirectory 200X.XX/images/. It should be written to the NAND flash address 0x00000000 (size 0x30000) (the first partition). |
| 21:16.59 | mohamed_ | hi all, I was building openmoko using ASU but the following error occured http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26944/, any help ? |
| 21:17.16 | lpotter | praises mwester for actually getting suspend/resume working on fr |
| 21:17.28 | cjb | mohamed_: you're using an odd shell. |
| 21:17.38 | mmontour | malik1972: I recommend not re-flashing u-boot until you have more experience with the device. It won't help with your environment problem because that's stored in a different partition. |
| 21:17.39 | lpotter | mwester: doe suspend/resume work on 1973? |
| 21:17.40 | malik1972 | lpotter: did he? |
| 21:18.07 | lpotter | malik1972: my initial test says yes |
| 21:18.09 | cjb | mohamed_: you might see what /bin/sh and /bin/bash are symlinked to, and point them at bash |
| 21:18.10 | ieatlint_ | does assassin actually work? |
| 21:18.13 | malik1972 | mmontour: okay, i have only one entry "boot" in boot |
| 21:18.20 | lpotter | lets see if it can call after I get to work |
| 21:18.26 | kd8ikt | that true mwester ? |
| 21:18.26 | mohamed_ | cjb: I'm using ubuntu 8.04, and this is its terminal where I used to build openmoko many times before without problems |
| 21:18.29 | malik1972 | lpotter: also for qtopia 4.x? |
| 21:18.40 | BHSPitLappy | This is probably a worn-out question here, but has there been much effort to port the openmoko platform onto other existing smartphones? |
| 21:18.44 | cjb | mohamed_: when I type "pushd" at a bash shell, it works |
| 21:18.48 | mmontour | Your best approach is probably to copy/paste the items back from the 'pastebin' page that you created earlier. There is a terminal program called "neocon" in the OM SVN tree that adds a per-character delay so that copy/paste will work. |
| 21:18.59 | cjb | mohamed_: somehow that script isn't getting run by bash. perhaps because a symlink is messed up. |
| 21:19.02 | lpotter | malik1972: yes, and will be in next qtopia update |
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| 21:19.19 | malik1972 | lpotter: when you will update it?;-) |
| 21:19.33 | lpotter | was thinking today sometime |
| 21:20.30 | mohamed_ | cjb: so what shall I do you think ? |
| 21:20.31 | malik1972 | lpotter: cool, suspend/resume+feed |
| 21:20.34 | lpotter | audio still clicks when i resujes, though |
| 21:21.06 | lpotter | resunmes |
| 21:21.11 | lpotter | bah resumes |
| 21:21.43 | malik1972 | mmontour: this is hard stuff:-) |
| 21:22.02 | mohamed_ | does neo1973 works in Egypt for GSM900 |
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| 21:22.36 | mohamed_ | s/works/work |
| 21:22.38 | Tig| | mohamed_, are you running ubuntu, as iirc they inline replaced bash with dash |
| 21:22.59 | Tig| | I can't remember if they reverted it though |
| 21:23.32 | malik1972 | mmontour: booting from nand doesnt work anymore |
| 21:23.39 | malik1972 | only nor |
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| 21:23.50 | malik1972 | good news and bad news |
| 21:24.15 | mohamed_ | Tig|: so should I use dash and not bash ? |
| 21:24.22 | malik1972 | no way to flash uboot to nand? |
| 21:24.23 | cesarb | Tig|: AFAIK Ubuntu still uses dash, and last year I made OM compile correctly in dash |
| 21:24.29 | Tig| | mohamed_, this page would suggest it would as the neo1973 was iirc 900 triband, if you have a neo you want the 900 version : http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_eg.shtml |
| 21:24.51 | cesarb | Tig|: in fact, I never changed to bash (instead I fixed the bugs) |
| 21:25.12 | Tig| | mohamed_, well bash would be better but cesarb has just said that they managed to get it to compile in dash |
| 21:25.26 | Tig| | so I have not been much help :) |
| 21:25.58 | malik1972 | mmontour: okay |
| 21:26.14 | cesarb | Tig|: I don't recall even compiling python-edje, so it might still have bashism bugs |
| 21:26.21 | cesarb | s/even/ever/ |
| 21:27.09 | mmontour | when you say "booting from nand doesn't work any more" do you mean you can't even get to the u-boot console on nand? Or just that you can't boot the kernel from there? |
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| 21:27.20 | Tig| | apt, ah right :) whoops :) |
| 21:27.31 | mohamed_ | Tig|: no of course not, you're so helpful, thank you cesarb, but the question is did you make a successful build with ASU or the ordinary one ? |
| 21:28.43 | cesarb | mohamed_: well, last I played with openmoko, _ASU didn't exist yet_ :| |
| 21:29.01 | Tig| | mohamed_, aha! all the information is here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 21:29.18 | Tig| | they did not switch bash but sh for dash |
| 21:29.22 | cesarb | mohamed_: and if http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions is correct, I won't use ASU for a while, since I need a working terminal |
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| 21:29.44 | BHSPitLappy | mohamed_, just run "bash" before doing what you're trying to do |
| 21:31.09 | Tig| | mohamed_, reading though that page BHSPitLappy's idea would definatly the thing I would try first :) |
| 21:32.05 | mohamed_ | cesarb: Tig|: BHSPitLappy: ok thanks alot, but it didn't make any difference, the same error occurs :( |
| 21:32.27 | Tanuva | damn. my neo crashed while extracting a rootfs to the sdcard >.< |
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| 21:34.59 | mohamed_ | cesarb: Tig|: BHSPitLappy: another question I have neo1973 with the latest build of openmoko, but it doesn't register with GSM900, i.e. I can't make phone calls any idea ? |
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| 21:38.44 | Tig| | mohamed_, hmm my usual simcard would not register with a few of the recent images, I thought it was a network issue as there was some odd stuff going on with my network |
| 21:38.48 | Tanuva | has anyone thought about how one should control kobodeluxe yet? :D |
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| 21:39.11 | Tig| | Tanuva, that the arcade game? I just tapped on the screen |
| 21:39.34 | Tanuva | me too, but then it simply disappeared and I had to kill it from an ssh session |
| 21:39.46 | Tanuva | (because it blocked the cpu running in the background ;) ) |
| 21:40.27 | Tanuva | argh, now it crashed the second time while extracting the rootfs from flash to the sdcard... |
| 21:40.36 | Tanuva | there seems to be some issue... |
| 21:40.55 | malik1972 | mmontour: where can i download neocon |
| 21:41.37 | mohamed_ | Tig|: so you mean that I need an older image ? |
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| 21:42.37 | Tig| | mohamed_, I don't know if it is connected, have you tried a different sim? |
| 21:42.47 | mmontour | source is at http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/neocon/ |
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| 21:44.13 | mmontour | also a wiki page http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoCon - I don't know of a downloadable binary |
| 21:44.18 | malik1972 | i hate uboot |
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| 21:44.52 | malik1972 | what about the uboot images on the servers? |
| 21:45.06 | Tig| | mmontour, erm I am not sure that is the best choice of name for a bit of software |
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| 21:45.24 | mohamed_ | Tig|: yes |
| 21:46.06 | Tig| | mohamed_, is it just sitting there with "Registering" in the top left? |
| 21:46.52 | mmontour | I haven't kept up-to-date on the state of u-boot builds for Freerunner so I can't comment on what's on the servers. I have my own bitbake recipe and set of patches for the Neo1973. |
| 21:47.38 | mohamed_ | Tig|: yes, Registering... :) |
| 21:47.54 | Tig| | at a console try : libgsmd-tool -m shell |
| 21:48.06 | Tig| | then type r and hit enter |
| 21:48.57 | Tig| | if it registers and you can make calls but sms is broken then we have the same problem :) which would be a start as then we know it is not only us having this problem :) |
| 21:50.19 | Tig| | hmm who was it that I was talking to about bluetooth keyboards the other day? |
| 21:50.33 | mohamed_ | Tig|: then ? |
| 21:50.36 | malik1972 | mmontour: okay, compiled it |
| 21:50.56 | Tig| | mohamed_, after you have entered a single r and hit enter, did it register? |
| 21:51.09 | malik1972 | mmontour |
| 21:51.36 | malik1972 | mmontour: i should copy paste commands to it and leave it with ~.? |
| 21:51.43 | Tig| | mohamed_, you can tell by entering a : R (and hitting enter) which should tell you your currently registered network |
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| 21:54.47 | mohamed_ | Tig|: unknown command a :( |
| 21:55.10 | Tig| | sorry |
| 21:55.13 | Tig| | enter |
| 21:55.18 | Tig| | r |
| 21:55.35 | Tig| | then after it returns info |
| 21:55.40 | Tig| | R |
| 21:56.19 | mmontour | I've never actually used it - check the README and/or the source for usage instructions. Once you're connected you should be able to paste text into your terminal window (either ctrl-c/ctrl-v or select + click middle mouse button). |
| 21:57.05 | mmontour | Oh, also you won't be able to paste an entire line because setenv has different syntax |
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| 21:57.35 | mmontour | You'll need to do "setenv name value", whereas the printenv output is shown as "name=value" |
| 21:57.36 | mohamed_ | Tig|: the first r gives netreg registration denied cme error: 32 |
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| 21:58.18 | mohamed_ | Tig|: the R gives register to operator no. |
| 21:58.20 | Tig| | mohamed_, hmm that sounds like the network |
| 21:58.58 | malik1972 | i have to sleep now |
| 21:59.25 | mohamed_ | Tig|: :( |
| 22:00.31 | vpv | which file would I need to download to get the root filesystem for qtopia to run from the SD card? |
| 22:00.44 | mohamed_ | Tig|: I've tried "etisalat" and "mobinil", should I try vodafone also ? |
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| 22:01.33 | Tig| | mohamed_, we are well out of my experience now :) but I have noticed this post to the mailing list : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011554.html |
| 22:01.45 | malik1972 | thanx |
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| 22:02.35 | Tig| | mohamed_, sorry this url: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011548.html |
| 22:03.47 | Tig| | mohamed_, do you have a known working version of your kernel and rootfs, ie one that you used before and defiantly works? |
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| 22:04.48 | mohamed_ | Tig|: what do you mean by defiantly works ? I have a kernel and rootfs from the wiki that they say they are the latest |
| 22:04.52 | Tig| | I would try that as the next step. Then it will either be a wierd network issue or some kind of hardware setting that can persist across flashing |
| 22:05.21 | Tig| | mohamed_, by working, one that you have used before when the phone could register |
| 22:06.00 | mohamed_ | Tig|: for my bad luck the phone never registered before :) |
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| 22:06.57 | Tig| | mohamed_, hmm do you know what hardware revision the phone is? |
| 22:07.21 | Tig| | I would hope that would be printed under the battery |
| 22:07.42 | Tig| | as then the best people to ask would be the mailing list |
| 22:07.50 | mohamed_ | Tig|: gta01bv4 |
| 22:08.57 | Tig| | but try to get as much information as possible first to give people the best chance of nailing it :) so hardware revision. images tried, networks tried and the output from that tool we just tried |
| 22:09.27 | Tig| | what you can see as a user and anything that you can think of that could help :) |
| 22:10.07 | Tig| | erm this is a stupid question but can anyone else get a signal on a different phone on any of the networks you have tried near you? |
| 22:11.40 | mohamed_ | Tig|: yes, for sure it's my nokia phone working and I can make a phone call now :) |
| 22:11.52 | Tig| | damn :( |
| 22:12.06 | mohamed_ | Tig|: why ? |
| 22:12.49 | Tig| | because error 34 is the return code for when the phone connects to a network that it can only make emergency calls on |
| 22:13.18 | mohamed_ | Tig|: :/ |
| 22:13.22 | Tig| | 32 even |
| 22:13.31 | Tig| | so that means one of two things |
| 22:13.50 | Tig| | either 1: it is not connecting to the correct network |
| 22:14.02 | Tig| | 2: it is not registering correctly with the network |
| 22:14.16 | Tig| | did you get any info from the R command? |
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| 22:14.42 | Tig| | lower case r makes it register upper case R should ask it who you are connected to |
| 22:14.57 | mohamed_ | Tig|: yes, just as I told you, Registering with nework no. |
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| 22:16.00 | Tig| | mohamed_, sorry, running out of ideas now :( it sounds like it is not registering but we don't know which network it is attempting to register with |
| 22:16.39 | Tig| | as I understand it a GSM phone can still make emergency calls even when it is not registered on that network |
| 22:18.33 | Tig| | mohamed_, just in case I vanish offline these are the pages I am working from : GSM codes : http://www.activexperts.com/activsms/sms/gsmerrorcodes/ and libgsmtool : http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#libgsmd-tool |
| 22:20.08 | Tanuva | argh... its not possible to prevent the neo to boot immediately after inserting the accu, is it? |
| 22:20.19 | Tanuva | s/to boot/from booting/ |
| 22:22.57 | Tanuva | mwester: your kernel fails to mount my mmcblk0p2 although its an ext3 partition, am I missing something? uboot env maybe? |
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| 22:25.56 | mmontour | Tanuva: do you see /dev/mmcblk* entries in /proc/partitions? |
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| 22:26.45 | Tanuva | I can read/write both partitions from the fso-image in built-in flash, yes... didnt check /proc though |
| 22:27.11 | spdr | is it possible to do voip on the freerunner ? |
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| 22:28.01 | Tanuva | spdr: its possible, yes. but the software is far from being usable for that |
| 22:28.46 | spdr | too buggy? |
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| 22:30.43 | Tanuva | yes, but its improving |
| 22:31.14 | SpeedEvil | spyre: only on wifi - gprs is too slow. |
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| 22:32.31 | Tanuva | hehe... greetings from tabcompletion :D |
| 22:33.00 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: actually not |
| 22:33.07 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: I misread that. |
| 22:33.28 | Tanuva | oh... ah :) |
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| 22:35.34 | sparq | It's been a while since I've peeked at OpenMoko's status -- is anyone walking around using their Freerunner as their primary phone? |
| 22:35.47 | henkie | wtf |
| 22:35.52 | henkie | sorry, wrong chan |
| 22:35.53 | SpeedEvil | Only the insane. |
| 22:36.18 | sparq | How... insane would one have to be? |
| 22:36.24 | Tig| | sparq, yes me :) |
| 22:36.32 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: probably not as insane as that guy who used _gta01_ as his primary phone, however |
| 22:36.35 | henkie | i would use it, but i hate ppl calling me :) |
| 22:36.53 | SpeedEvil | Well - not actually botheredabout missinng the odd call, and 5-12h battery life. |
| 22:37.00 | ieatlint_ | i'm using it as my primary, but i carry a backup phone with me in case |
| 22:37.05 | Tig| | It is doable but you need an understanding gf :) |
| 22:37.19 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I've used it as my primary mobile phone (GTA01) |
| 22:37.43 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: however, my SIM still has 8.88 of the 10 pounds of initial credit on it, and I got it last year. |
| 22:37.44 | sparq | Tig|: understanding in the "Why won't you anwer my calls?!" sense or in the "Your phone is annoying to use" sense? |
| 22:37.52 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I don't make many calls. :) |
| 22:37.58 | Tig| | but my god it is the best excuse for "no dear I did not get your text about popping around and visiting your mother" :) |
| 22:38.16 | ieatlint_ | sms are pretty reliable |
| 22:38.38 | Tig| | ieatlint_, ssh! don't tell her that |
| 22:39.17 | Chocky | moose |
| 22:39.26 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I didn't mean you, I meant that guy who even had to use it on a hospital... |
| 22:39.35 | Chocky | it's my primary phone, cos it's my only phone |
| 22:40.27 | Chocky | hm, so with the qtopia media player, the music is mono through the headphones and doesn't mute the speakers. guh. |
| 22:40.44 | Chocky | so much for it being a portable MP3 player ;-) |
| 22:41.21 | lpotter | that would be a problem with the alsa state file then, nmost likely |
| 22:41.27 | Chocky | hum. |
| 22:41.47 | Tig| | I had a happy e-mail today from those nice people at truebox (uk reseller) and Openmoko are sending the pouches and headphones out that were missing from our orders and will be arriving next week sometime :) |
| 22:42.15 | Chocky | pouch is nice. the headphones are a bit nasty. dunno what the point of the button on them is |
| 22:42.35 | Chocky | pause I suppose |
| 22:42.38 | Chocky | or skip |
| 22:42.44 | Stroller | Chocky: on my Sony-Ericsson I use it for hanging up |
| 22:42.51 | Chocky | right |
| 22:43.07 | sparq | Tig|: What sort of problems are there for basic calls? |
| 22:43.27 | Chocky | well, the most obvious problem for me is that it's near impossible to use the address book without the stylus |
| 22:43.38 | Tig| | Chocky, well considering I had written off getting them it is nice to know they are on their way :) the pouch is more what I am interested in as there is no screen cover |
| 22:43.54 | Chocky | ebay has some screen covers, but dunno how good |
| 22:44.04 | Chocky | my screen is already dirty. had it less than one day |
| 22:44.25 | Tig| | sparq, well apart from battery life then making and recieving calls is fine, have had the odd call where people have had an echo but it works |
| 22:44.50 | Tig| | Chocky, I meant either a hard cover or something to protect it more :) |
| 22:45.11 | sparq | Tig|: That doesn't sound any worse than the last five cell phones I've owned ^_^ |
| 22:46.10 | sparq | Tig|: I assume the kernel folks are hacking away at the battery life problem, yes? |
| 22:47.01 | sparq | the GTA1 had some kind of hardware problem that silenced interrupts that could have saved a lot of power, I seem to recall |
| 22:47.30 | Tig| | sparq, I will not pull any punches here, yes you can make calls and SMS's but you will have problems with power issues and sending sms's is a pain in the arse unless you swap the keyboard app and then you have to use a stylus and be very accurate. It is all being worked on and even the GTA01 is getting massive battery life boosts from the ongoing kernel work |
| 22:47.53 | Chocky | moo. |
| 22:47.58 | Dave | neigh. |
| 22:48.04 | Tig| | quack |
| 22:48.15 | lpotter | qtopia's predictive keyboard can be used very well with fingers |
| 22:48.27 | Dave | lpotter, oh yeah? |
| 22:48.30 | Dave | You think so? |
| 22:48.35 | lpotter | yes |
| 22:48.46 | lpotter | its got 'fault' tolerance |
| 22:51.20 | Dave | lpotter, and by fault tolerance, you mean, moderately compensates for fat-finger syndrome? :P |
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| 22:52.18 | SpeedEvil | Wpwm Tha[f br grtay! |
| 22:52.41 | sparq | Tig|: Understood. Perhaps I should have phrased my question differently. I'm more interested in whether the issues are related to missing important pices of middleware or firmware, or more related to the UI. I've already got a phone with massive UI bugs. ^_^ |
| 22:52.43 | Dave | haha, yeah, especially with your notoriously awesome typing, eh, Speedevil? ;) |
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| 22:56.55 | Tig| | sparq, well middleware and UI issues mainly, the problem is that it is just the wrong moment for the end user at the moment as there are the three (main) stacks as you can read here : http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 22:57.10 | sparq | right |
| 22:57.12 | Tig| | now they all have different goals but should end up in the same place :) |
| 22:57.30 | Tig| | that link should give you a better picture |
| 22:58.25 | Dave | lpotter, have the qtopia repos opened yet? ;) |
| 22:58.34 | sparq | reads |
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| 23:01.31 | kd8ikt | aye a whole new framework |
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| 23:02.25 | Tanuva | i'm just trying to clone the fso.org/zhone.git repository, but git fails "resolving" HEAD: http://rafb.net/p/yFYEqj46.html - Am I doing something wrong or is the repo "broken"? |
| 23:02.43 | Dave | Tanuva! |
| 23:02.51 | Tanuva | looks for shelter |
| 23:02.56 | Dave | Muwahahaha |
| 23:03.00 | Dave | Good call >:) |
| 23:03.03 | Tanuva | :D |
| 23:05.06 | Dave | So Tanuva, you seem to be a Qtopia fool, to me... |
| 23:05.12 | Dave | ... is this correct? |
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| 23:05.59 | ieatlint_ | opkg is the most unreliable thing on the phone |
| 23:06.05 | Dave | haha |
| 23:06.07 | Dave | hardly |
| 23:06.14 | Dave | though yeah, we could easily bash it, for a number of reasons :) |
| 23:06.14 | Tanuva | Im fiddling around with the three stacks until I find something I can have fun with. Should say: do some gui stuff with python or so... |
| 23:06.18 | Dave | Though honestly, it actually -works- |
| 23:06.23 | Dave | so there's far better to bitch about :D |
| 23:06.27 | ieatlint_ | kinda |
| 23:06.32 | Tanuva | but its searching capabilities are ... |
| 23:06.33 | Dave | oh, that reminds me |
| 23:06.47 | ieatlint_ | i can't run opkg update because it tries to download .sig files that don't exist (gets 404s) |
| 23:06.47 | Dave | I have to get started on a python client for my project... |
| 23:06.56 | ieatlint_ | which i realise isn't opkg's fault |
| 23:07.02 | Tanuva | ieatlint_: that doesnt interrupt it from updating |
| 23:07.06 | Tanuva | its successful anyway |
| 23:07.15 | ieatlint_ | oh? it makes it sound like it fails |
| 23:07.27 | Tanuva | it just fails checking if the repo is trusted |
| 23:07.47 | Tanuva | but since it IS ;), everything's fine |
| 23:07.53 | ieatlint_ | how about if i want to install something, i have to keep running the same command until it works, because it'll randomly fail to download a file at times with "error 0" |
| 23:08.13 | Tanuva | find out what error 0 means I'd say |
| 23:08.25 | ieatlint_ | from what i can tell, it means no error |
| 23:08.32 | Tanuva | [not givin proper error messages is a weakness of opkg...] |
| 23:09.17 | ieatlint_ | and if i try to install pygtk, i get "An error ocurred, return value: 2." ... increasing verbosity gives a 5,090 line output |
| 23:09.26 | Tig| | ieatlint_, ignore the 404 on the sig files it will still work |
| 23:09.55 | Tig| | but dependancy resolution is useless |
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| 23:10.19 | Dave | ieatlint_: you can ignore that |
| 23:10.35 | ieatlint_ | ok, so i can ignore the 404s |
| 23:10.41 | Dave | it still works fine, it just blows because you can't intuitively chain using && in that case |
| 23:10.54 | BHSPitLappy | This is probably a worn-out question here, but has there been much effort to port the openmoko platform onto other existing smartphones? |
| 23:10.56 | Dave | ieatlint, sure, it still downloads the Packages.gz fine. |
| 23:11.09 | Dave | though yeah, it's annoying as hell about the failed .sig files -_- |
| 23:11.19 | Tanuva | would like some pyqt stuff.. |
| 23:11.23 | Dave | also opkg gives general errors for multiple things which is annoying |
| 23:11.29 | Dave | like error: 2 |
| 23:11.34 | Dave | for pretty much everyting |
| 23:11.40 | Tig| | BHSPitLappy, not worn out but it does exist there were a few things on the planet site |
| 23:11.46 | ieatlint_ | yeah, the verbose level 2 messages seem pretty useless |
| 23:11.55 | ieatlint_ | it appears to list every package i have installed |
| 23:12.41 | Tig| | BHSPitLappy, but realistically the main thrust will be getting up to speed on the freerunner and 1973 first but there are people working on it |
| 23:12.46 | Tanuva | ah. simply replacing http:// by git:// in the git-repo-url makes git clone successfully -.- |
| 23:12.58 | Dave | heh |
| 23:13.16 | BHSPitLappy | Tig|, yeah; I know there are a handful of android ports floating around, I figured people would be tinkering this direction as well |
| 23:17.03 | Dave | So much for Qtopia's supposed intuitive software management system. |
| 23:17.16 | Dave | DaMaestro, you're back, baby! |
| 23:17.27 | Dave | cat /dev/sandwich > daMaestro |
| 23:17.40 | daMaestro | munch munch |
| 23:17.51 | daMaestro | actually today i'm having blueberry coffee cake |
| 23:17.53 | Dave | :D |
| 23:17.55 | daMaestro | goes to get another latte |
| 23:17.57 | daMaestro | lol |
| 23:17.58 | Dave | oh, heehee |
| 23:18.05 | Dave | Hrm, some diet you're on... |
| 23:18.11 | Tanuva | got some chocolate in front of him |
| 23:18.12 | Dave | Damn, they really must NOT feed you well... :\ |
| 23:18.14 | Dave | poor guy |
| 23:18.17 | daMaestro | Dave, they are out of sandwiches... and bluntly, the new sandwiches suck |
| 23:18.27 | Dave | That is rather disappointing. |
| 23:18.32 | lpotter | qtopia knows nothing about opkgs |
| 23:18.54 | Dave | lpotter, and qpkgs? |
| 23:19.42 | Tanuva | whats this "edje"? |
| 23:19.57 | ieatlint_ | okay, i solved my pygtk "error 2" message ... PEBKAC |
| 23:20.01 | Dave | It would be nice to be able to intuitively install it's own offered qtopia packages. Perhaps I have yet to simply learn the system, however I suspect that sort of support is still being developed (as someone else mentioned to me earlier, a few days back). |
| 23:20.09 | Dave | ieatlint: good :) |
| 23:20.16 | abraxa_ | Tanuva: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Edje |
| 23:20.22 | ieatlint_ | the package is called python-pygtk, and opkg doesn't have a "package not found" message |
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| 23:21.22 | Tanuva | abraxa_: ah, thanks :) |
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| 23:34.16 | ieatlint_ | the laser pointer on the stylus very much so confuses my cat |
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| 23:34.40 | carrar | use the cat's paw as a pointer |
| 23:34.47 | Tanuva | hehe, I have made the two here run all around the living room with a laser pointer :D |
| 23:35.22 | mmontour | Tanuva: I regret to inform you that you are infringing on US patent #5443036 |
| 23:35.40 | Tanuva | and that is? |
| 23:35.46 | dcordes | lol |
| 23:35.56 | Tanuva | *shuddering from fear* |
| 23:36.02 | dcordes | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5443036.html |
| 23:36.26 | Tanuva | LOL |
| 23:36.37 | Tanuva | okay, now reboot. really. :) |
| 23:38.23 | Tig| | Tanuva, I have killed the laser pointer here doing that :) |
| 23:38.47 | Chocky | all |
| 23:38.53 | Tig| | I thought it was the battery but it looks like something more serious :( |
| 23:38.54 | Dave | haha |
| 23:39.22 | Dave | Curious cat is no longer curious. |
| 23:39.54 | Chocky | so what's today's complaint about the software? |
| 23:40.22 | tessier | Chocky: I'll let you know when I pick up my phone in an hour and a half. |
| 23:40.25 | Tig| | Chocky, I woke up this morning and the blasted thing had not made me any tea :( |
| 23:40.42 | Chocky | stalked! |
| 23:40.50 | Tig| | and there is not enough power from the USB host to power the toaster |
| 23:41.01 | Tig| | my mornings are a living nightmare |
| 23:41.48 | daMaestro | the stylus is useless IMHO, unless they are shipping a new one |
| 23:41.52 | daMaestro | it's far to bulky |
| 23:42.03 | daMaestro | is planning on shopping for a stylus at some point |
| 23:42.05 | Chocky | yes, but the address book is real hard to use without it |
| 23:42.10 | Tig| | daMaestro, it is handy if you need to vault a wall :) |
| 23:42.25 | Dave | Haters. |
| 23:42.37 | abraxa_ | mmontour: That's just plain sad. How did you find out about the patent anyway? |
| 23:42.43 | Tig| | Dave, ? |
| 23:42.48 | daMaestro | i'd settle for a USB drive/pen/stylus that is small as possible |
| 23:43.21 | mmontour | I don't remember where I first saw it. It's one of the classic examples of how f*cked the US patent system is. |
| 23:44.02 | dcordes | abraxa_: I bet it's a matter of common knowledge in a world of funny cat pictures on the internet! |
| 23:44.15 | Chocky | mmm, minimo |
| 23:44.51 | abraxa_ | mmontour: Yeah, certainly. I'm so happy we don't have software patents in Europe (yet). |
| 23:45.01 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: Don't worry. |
| 23:45.08 | Chocky | can't figure out busybox tar |
| 23:45.19 | Tanuva | didnt, too |
| 23:45.25 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: powerful software interests and our politicians are working real hard on that. |
| 23:45.27 | Tanuva | Chocky: first gunzip, then tar xvvf :) |
| 23:47.04 | Chocky | hmm. |
| 23:47.57 | Tanuva | politicians who dont have any clue what they're talking about |
| 23:48.10 | Chocky | abraxa_: yes, but it was a close run thing. |
| 23:48.27 | Chocky | remembers all the fuss in Debian a few years back in the UK |
| 23:48.49 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil, Chocky: Yeah, I'm not too hopeful. The powers that be are not weak |
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| 23:52.45 | Chocky | I'm wondering if I should be worried that I'm now running Mozilla on my phone |
| 23:53.06 | ja | chock its fast enough?? |
| 23:53.17 | Chocky | dunno, can't find a way to enter URLs |
| 23:53.17 | ieatlint_ | would that be minimo? |
| 23:53.20 | ja | 2ghz is not enough for firefox on linux/x, even the post fsync() fix |
| 23:53.22 | Chocky | linty: aye |
| 23:53.43 | ieatlint_ | 2007.2 has the openmoko-browser2 working with a keyboard |
| 23:53.52 | ieatlint_ | i installed it on asu... runs, but no keyboard |
| 23:53.56 | Chocky | linty: couldn't make the damn thing work |
| 23:54.14 | ja | will compile Dillo |
| 23:54.16 | ja | f the nonsense |
| 23:54.26 | Chocky | heh |
| 23:54.28 | Chocky | links |
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| 23:56.31 | SpeedEvil | firefox 3 |
| 23:57.12 | ieatlint_ | i need to whip something up in python to read xml over http |
| 23:57.23 | SpeedEvil | (Though I'm running ff1.5 on a CPU only 1.5* as fast, with 1.5* theRAM as the FR |
| 23:58.54 | Chocky | now I need to find some silly way to get my GPS (hackable WinCE) to talk to FR |
| 23:59.01 | rivalarrival | need moko. |
| 23:59.28 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: How familiar are you with the PCF50633? |
| 23:59.28 | rivalarrival | what GPS? |
| 23:59.50 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: the pmu in the fr? |
| 23:59.53 | Chocky | Maxtek MNT-7T aka VXA-2000 |
