00:00.28 | rwhitby | yes, and you need to set the right git branch too |
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00:01.28 | Zwiseli | ah ok, org.openmoko.april-update |
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00:09.19 | rwhitby | actually, there is a new branch name now I think |
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00:11.54 | CVirus | Isn't there anyway that the FreeRunner can work as a wireless antenna or something ? |
00:12.01 | CVirus | like amplify the wireless signal |
00:12.46 | Dominus | It'd be the most expensive, poorest performing consumer wireless repeater available. |
00:12.57 | Dominus | BUt I guess you could hack it up/ |
00:15.28 | SpeedEvil | Seamless GSM/wifi - move out of range, and it drops back to cellular relay |
00:15.40 | SpeedEvil | Of course, there is the whole glaciality thing. |
00:16.00 | CVirus | hmm |
00:21.54 | CVirus | when will the online shop open ffs |
00:22.14 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
00:30.00 | CVirus | np: God, His Son and Holy Whore - Amon Amarth |
00:30.03 | CVirus | :-p |
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00:34.04 | nezza-_-|zZzZ | mhh couldn't sleep so i decided to play a little bit with gimp: |
00:34.05 | nezza-_-|zZzZ | http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2480/gelbesschildlinuxyz8.gif |
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01:27.09 | daMaestro | Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080524-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 still has no icons :-/ |
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01:33.35 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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01:46.53 | wurp2 | nezza-_-: Warning, this is running Linux? |
01:47.14 | nezza-_- | wurp2: mh warning, FREE running penguins ;) |
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03:08.50 | brian_ | yeeee haaaa |
03:09.03 | brian_ | the masses |
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04:11.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1433 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
04:11.03 | cdbot2 | * * packagekit get updates failed |
04:11.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1433 |
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04:33.57 | *** topic/#openmoko is No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon |
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04:34.14 | CVirus | brian_: huh ? |
04:34.48 | CM | Lots of people in the channel maybe :) |
04:35.08 | CVirus | hehe |
04:35.12 | linuxxr | massive production |
04:35.27 | CVirus | what about mass production ? |
04:35.28 | linuxxr | linux to the masses |
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04:45.00 | holycow | hallo |
04:45.22 | holycow | so when might we be able to purchase mokos? soonish yes? |
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04:56.51 | CM | Ok, anyone got a hint why bitbake can't find my bitbake.conf? |
04:56.53 | CM | http://pastie.caboo.se/205220 |
04:57.39 | CM | I haven't change any of the config files (only kept the sources dir) |
05:00.57 | mmontour | CM: you have a typo in your BBPATH (extra "i" after "openembedded") |
05:02.18 | raster | no purchasing |
05:02.20 | raster | ev er! |
05:02.25 | raster | MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! |
05:02.46 | CM | mmontour: Argh.. Thanks |
05:02.47 | ljp | does that mean the neo is going to be free? |
05:02.54 | daMaestro | ;-) |
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05:03.06 | daMaestro | it already is free |
05:04.07 | ljp | the hardware isnt |
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05:05.03 | raster | ljp: no - we are just going to put it in a perspex display case and tempt you with it |
05:05.06 | raster | and make you drool |
05:05.08 | raster | but refuse to sell it |
05:05.09 | raster | :) |
05:05.15 | holycow | i can has moko? |
05:05.43 | ljp | raster: too late. i already have a few on my desk |
05:06.35 | raster | ljp: bastard! give 'em back! we need to put them in perspex cases for tempting! |
05:06.38 | raster | :) |
05:06.56 | rwhitby | keeps a tight grip on his gta02 too. |
05:07.11 | holycow | damnit |
05:07.24 | CM | wants it.. My preciousss |
05:07.24 | raster | threatens to turn on the global gta02 self-destruct signal |
05:07.46 | holycow | all your mokos are belong to us! |
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05:08.15 | ljp | raster: sorry, mine are having driver and hardware issues with that signal |
05:09.21 | rwhitby | raster: mine has the battery out for charging, so it's not gonna blow today |
05:09.52 | raster | ljp: the reason we took so long with the freerunner is that we do have a fail-safe self-destruct |
05:09.58 | raster | we secretly spent all our time in making that work |
05:10.09 | raster | instead of bothering with any of the rest of the hardware |
05:10.11 | raster | or drivers |
05:10.11 | raster | :) |
05:10.18 | rwhitby | or apps ;-) |
05:10.23 | ljp | doh |
05:10.27 | raster | rwhitby: our super-secret self-destruct system reauires no battery |
05:10.30 | raster | muahhahahahahahah! |
05:10.55 | rwhitby | rewires the battery-less power source for the self-destruct to power the phone instead ... |
05:11.06 | raster | hahahahah |
05:11.18 | raster | the aura of steve is protectign you |
05:11.29 | raster | we have yet to figure out how to penetrate the apple glow |
05:11.40 | rwhitby | and connects the secret power amplifier and antenna used for remote activation of the self destruct to make it a quad band ... |
05:12.08 | raster | bah |
05:12.12 | raster | how do i resolve a conflict' |
05:12.22 | rwhitby | mtn or git? |
05:12.28 | rwhitby | (or people?) |
05:12.38 | raster | geeeet |
05:12.54 | raster | with people i just use a trout. |
05:13.30 | raster | aah |
05:13.45 | raster | git-mergetool |
05:15.27 | raster | hmm |
05:15.36 | raster | how do i just fecth a missing file from the upsteram repo |
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05:17.33 | roh | hm.. pull? i mean.. then its local, but not neccessary checked out, right? |
05:18.34 | raster | git-pull git://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git org.openmoko.asu.dev |
05:18.34 | raster | fatal: Entry 'conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc' would be overwritten by merge. Cannot merge. |
05:18.34 | raster | Merge with strategy recursive failed. |
05:18.48 | raster | i dont even have the file |
05:18.56 | raster | i just want to pull the upstream one back in |
05:19.14 | raster | cvs/svn update wou8ld do that |
05:19.14 | ljp | why dont you have that file.. hmmm?? |
05:19.15 | raster | normally |
05:19.22 | raster | ljp: merge comflict |
05:19.25 | raster | i merged the confloict |
05:19.27 | raster | saved |
05:19.30 | raster | git-pulled again |
05:19.32 | raster | bit bitched |
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05:19.35 | raster | git bitched |
05:19.43 | raster | i went "fuck it" and just want he upstream |
05:19.43 | ljp | bit gitched |
05:19.45 | raster | so i deleted it |
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05:20.00 | raster | but git dont want to pull me a new copy |
05:20.13 | roh | revert and pull? |
05:20.40 | roh | revert kills llocal changes to the repo afaik |
05:20.52 | roh | local as in changed files, contents. |
05:21.08 | raster | ummmm |
05:21.13 | raster | usage: git-revert [options] <commit-ish> |
05:21.15 | raster | whats commit-ish |
05:21.19 | raster | i never committed any changes |
05:21.26 | raster | i simply merged locally |
05:22.32 | roh | i think it means 'same params as git-commit' and thus 'file or path' |
05:22.51 | raster | git-revert conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc |
05:22.51 | raster | fatal: Cannot find 'conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc' |
05:22.54 | raster | definitely nto a file |
05:23.02 | roh | mmmmh |
05:23.21 | raster | kicks git |
05:23.28 | raster | all i want.. is a missing file back that was deleted |
05:23.35 | raster | how hard does it have to be! |
05:23.35 | mmontour | raster: try "git checkout <file>" |
05:23.36 | raster | :( |
05:23.52 | raster | aha! |
05:23.54 | raster | that does it |
05:23.58 | raster | hjave to checkotu a specific file |
05:23.59 | raster | tnx! |
05:24.24 | raster | wtf |
05:24.44 | mmontour | I was in a similar situation a few days ago (still mostly a git n00b) |
05:24.52 | raster | git-pull git://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git org.openmoko.asu.dev |
05:24.52 | raster | fatal: Entry 'conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc' would be overwritten by merge. Cannot merge. |
05:24.52 | raster | Merge with strategy recursive failed. |
05:25.37 | ljp | oh now youve done it |
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05:27.46 | raster | yes |
05:27.52 | raster | entry will be ovewritten with merge |
05:28.02 | raster | I WANT YOU TO OVERWRITE IT YOU GALOOT! |
05:28.05 | raster | grrr |
05:28.17 | Sonicadvance | o_o |
05:28.21 | Sonicadvance | scoots away |
05:29.49 | ljp | go on.. say crikey |
05:29.59 | raster | crickey! |
05:30.26 | raster | this little fella just loves to tweak me nipples! |
05:30.47 | rwhitby | bloody ripper |
05:31.11 | ljp | there ya go. thats more what I expected |
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05:33.00 | raster | git-please-just-feckin-work-ok-so-i-can-get-on-with-my-work |
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05:35.40 | raster | ok |
05:35.44 | raster | haed top edit the file |
05:35.47 | raster | even tho it had no conflicts |
05:35.53 | raster | required the timestamp changes.... |
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06:16.06 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r72d6cd92ebf7 10/packages/meta/meta-toolchain-openmoko.bb: meta-toolchain-openmoko: add native opkg-cl into toolchain. another |
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06:26.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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06:45.26 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r1956da01ed0c 10/src/ (sim.c sms_impl.h): Cleaned pdu parsing |
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06:58.01 | doc|home | is it just me or does this bear an uncanny resemblance to the freerunner? http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/05/28/helios-ocean-2-exposed/ |
06:58.17 | doc|home | visually of course, not capabilities wise |
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06:59.25 | raster | doc|home: looks much better |
06:59.26 | raster | :) |
06:59.32 | doc|home | hah |
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07:36.55 | shoragan | hmm, did anyone have problems with opkg refusing to upgrade/install packages with 'Nothing to do'? |
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07:46.27 | tessier | So, anyone testing a new phone off the production line yet? Do they rock or what? :) |
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07:48.52 | BDo | They should ! |
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10:26.52 | alian | greetings.. how can i take out the matchbox from the build? |
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10:29.35 | alian | anyone can suggest me how to take out particular packages from the default build? |
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10:34.56 | alian | i'm doing some gtk-directfb stuff, but i couldnt get it compile nicely.. some packages not needed as well for my case (ie: matchbox, x11), but i couldn't find any info on how to take out those packages from the build. can anyone give me some directions? appreciates for helps |
10:36.44 | diego_at_work | man bitbake |
10:37.00 | diego_at_work | there is an option to create a graph with the dependicies |
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10:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1434 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
10:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * packagekit send wrong message when md5 miss match |
10:38.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1434 |
10:44.57 | alian | i see.. |
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10:48.53 | alian | but i'm not checking the dependencies now, i want to take it out from the build, where can i do it? /openembedded/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-version.inc? |
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10:50.49 | diego_at_work | maybe it compiles X just becouse is required from something else ... |
10:51.02 | diego_at_work | s/from/by& |
10:51.03 | diego_at_work | s/from/by/ |
10:51.13 | diego_at_work | ... lol |
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10:58.31 | alian | sorry.. i don't get what you mean.. |
11:01.05 | diego_at_work | when you do a bitbake openmoko-devel-image, it reads openmoko-devel-image.bb |
11:01.26 | diego_at_work | and looks if it depends on some other package |
11:04.55 | alian | i see.. ok, i will try that |
11:05.09 | ScaredyCat | smcibpr |
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11:15.48 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Only first index of multipart messages are now listed in ListMessages method |
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11:30.06 | igor321 | hello everybody |
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11:30.22 | igor321 | are there already plans for gta03? |
11:31.54 | buz | yes |
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11:32.28 | igor321 | that's really nice |
11:32.43 | igor321 | are the new features already agreed upon? |
11:33.47 | buz | mostly are i believe |
11:34.11 | buz | same as gta02 but no glamo, a cam, edge and a new case |
11:34.44 | igor321 | is there a replacement for glamo? |
11:36.05 | morricone | no, actually not having glamo is a improvment |
11:36.21 | buz | yes |
11:36.48 | igor321 | yes, in retrospective glamo is sort of a disaster |
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11:41.12 | jOERG_rw | new ts probably - capacitive |
11:42.00 | jOERG_rw | just editing the circuit diagrams :-) |
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11:46.08 | igor321 | is capacitive ts "multitouch" compatible? |
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11:47.14 | jOERG_rw | no exact spec yet |
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11:49.02 | igor321 | still, i'm very happy you're already working on gta03, keep up the good work ;) |
11:49.30 | jOERG_rw | just jouned in... just starting |
11:49.45 | jOERG_rw | s/jouned/joined/ |
11:51.12 | jOERG_rw | Yeah, aming towards a GTA03A2, *not* A6 |
11:53.25 | igor321 | learning from mistakes :) |
11:53.47 | jOERG_rw | LOL! not *my* mistakes |
11:54.18 | igor321 | haha nobody said so ;) |
11:55.02 | jOERG_rw | honestly, we are trying hard to improve QA and proofreading, applying DRC etc... |
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11:56.39 | igor321 | how many of you are there working on the hardware? |
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11:58.06 | jOERG_rw | dunno exactly. quite some guys/girls over in Taipei, and half a dozen developers all ver the world |
11:58.23 | igor321 | you're not in taiwan? |
11:58.36 | jOERG_rw | Germany right now |
11:59.21 | igor321 | i thougt you were all in taipei... |
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12:00.09 | jOERG_rw | Not at all. Andy is in GB, Werner somewhere southamerica... |
12:01.49 | igor321 | colour me old-fashioned, but i imagined you all playing with the prototypes in taipei :) |
12:02.04 | igor321 | whatever works i guess :) |
12:02.20 | igor321 | never designed a product myself so what would i know :) |
12:03.26 | jOERG_rw | for now we ave circuit diagrams to play with. Yea and a few GTA02 to "learn" from, i got with me when i came back 3weeks ago |
12:04.34 | igor321 | the components list for the gta03 is final, no? |
12:05.09 | summatusmentis | ...? it is?!? |
12:05.16 | jOERG_rw | product spec: YES. individual components: not yet |
12:05.39 | summatusmentis | where do we see the spec? or can we yet? |
12:06.03 | igor321 | i guess you'd have some troubles finding an open-friendly gpu |
12:06.04 | jOERG_rw | No idea. Ask michel shilo |
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12:06.34 | SpeedEvil | GTA03 is the same - pretty much - as GTA02 - with the GPU ripped out |
12:06.58 | igor321 | so there will be no "replacement" gpu? |
12:07.01 | summatusmentis | completely gone? |
12:07.05 | jOERG_rw | igor321: we got rid of glamo, and don't have a new GPU |
12:07.07 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
12:07.19 | summatusmentis | I see... hmm |
12:07.32 | jOERG_rw | exactly |
12:07.56 | igor321 | actually depens... what if glamo proves usefull... |
12:08.13 | igor321 | someone might write a decent driver?... |
12:08.36 | jOERG_rw | WAAAH, glamo spoils half the device. many reasons like bandwidth etc |
12:08.37 | SpeedEvil | There are fundamental hardare programs. |
12:08.41 | SpeedEvil | That can't be overcome. |
12:08.54 | SpeedEvil | It's connected over a 7M/second bus. |
12:09.03 | igor321 | i'm aware of that |
12:09.15 | SpeedEvil | That has to be bit-banged - so if you ant 50% CPU, you need to treat it as 3.5M/s |
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12:09.30 | igor321 | but 7M/sec might be enoug if someone we're to fully utilize glamo |
12:09.43 | SpeedEvil | If you need to access the SD too, then it drops to below this. |
12:10.02 | SpeedEvil | The glamo is not a very fully featured accelerator alas. |
12:10.15 | jOERG_rw | SD is connected via glamo :-((( |
12:10.34 | igor321 | yeah, inculding glamo was a bad architectural choice |
12:10.43 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
12:10.54 | SpeedEvil | It wouldn't have hurt so bad if DMA had worked |
12:11.35 | igor321 | so basically, gta03 is gta02 without the glamo, new screen and 3G? |
12:11.46 | SpeedEvil | same screen and everything |
12:11.53 | SpeedEvil | same chipset |
12:12.06 | SpeedEvil | GTA04 is the next hardware major refresh AIUI |
12:12.18 | igor321 | so one could suppose it's coming out soon? |
12:12.35 | igor321 | i mean, half a year or so? |
12:14.03 | morricone | igor321, don't expect an answer for that question |
12:14.54 | igor321 | yeah, it would be stupid to announce a new revision weeks before freerunner debut |
12:15.18 | igor321 | i'm stull buying gta02, and i've got a 10pack group to prove it :) |
12:15.21 | igor321 | can't wait actually |
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12:21.41 | jOERG_rw | I don't tink anybody will or should stop to buy GTA02, just to wait for GTA03 ;-) |
12:24.08 | summatusmentis | doesn't have the money for a GAT02, or the cell coverage to justify it :-/ |
12:25.26 | balrog-kun | i guess it doesn't matter that gta03 design is similar to gta02 |
12:25.50 | balrog-kun | the main value for me is the time between the releases when the little hardware bugs are ironed out |
12:26.28 | summatusmentis | will removing glamo pull some functionality backwards(vid accel)? |
12:26.33 | balrog-kun | a re-design introduces new bugs and you restart the cycle and you're chances of making a successful device are low again |
12:26.52 | balrog-kun | *your |
12:27.25 | mjr | summatusmentis, some operations backwards, others forwards. Tradeoffs. |
12:29.47 | balrog-kun | on the gta04 it will be forward since that new s3c chip has graphics accel on-board already |
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12:31.16 | balrog-kun | in terms of opennes it's backwards though |
12:31.42 | summatusmentis | mjr: right, that's sort of what I assumed |
12:32.12 | mjr | basically what you could do inside the gpu without using the bus will go backwards, others forwards |
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13:15.45 | vvb | hey.. i hve a gta01 and when trying to run gllin i get "illegal instraction".. can anyone help me out as to why i get this? |
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13:20.52 | diego_at_work | probably you're trying the wrong version... |
13:21.47 | vvb | wrong version of kernel? |
13:22.06 | diego_at_work | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin |
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13:26.05 | vvb | this link does not help me tell what am i doing wrong |
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13:26.49 | diego_at_work | probably you are using a old gllin executable on a recent version of openmoko |
13:27.34 | diego_at_work | which openmoko image are you using, and which version of gllin are you using? |
13:28.08 | vvb | i have the same version thats listed in the http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/download/?Accept=Accept link |
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13:28.17 | vvb | is there a newer version than that? |
13:28.37 | diego_at_work | (and check that you have math coprocessor emulation enabled in kernel, if you have compiled a custom one) |
13:29.18 | vvb | no.. i have flashed from the pre compiled list |
13:29.44 | vvb | is there a way to veryfy that? |
13:30.00 | vvb | it has math coprocessor |
13:30.39 | diego_at_work | how do you start gllin? |
13:31.02 | vvb | ./gllin in the /home/root/gllin/ |
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13:32.25 | diego_at_work | do you have the "file" command on your neo? |
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13:44.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re53e9cf4ffe7 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: [moko-autorev] Set Assassin as AUTOREV |
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13:54.43 | mmontour | vvb: To check for math-coprocessor emulation look for "NetWinder Floating Point Emulator" string in dmesg. Also, your /home/root/gllin/gllin should be a shell script (with the actual executable as "gllin.real"). |
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14:00.17 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4459 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (configure.ac libopkg/opkg.c): opkg: update error handling for opkg_update_pkg in opkg.c and bump version number |
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14:20.06 | andyfrommk | is there a gcc opkg for the neo1973 or freerunner? |
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14:24.27 | balrog-kun | probably |
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14:24.38 | balrog-kun | there was an ipkg once |
14:24.55 | andyfrommk | do you have a url? |
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14:26.26 | balrog-kun | looks up on buildhost |
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14:27.36 | balrog-kun | it would be http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gcc_4.1.2-r12_armv4t.ipk i think |
14:28.23 | andyfrommk | thanks balrog-kun |
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14:42.11 | Tanu_ | å® /wm 2 |
14:42.14 | Tanu_ | argh |
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15:15.41 | piksi | <PROTECTED> |
15:16.45 | buz | they want to slashdot themselves |
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15:22.04 | balrog-kun | evil conspiracy :) |
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16:22.32 | kdean06 | Any word on the sometime USB disconnections while the Neo is charging via USB? |
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16:23.01 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: works for me |
16:23.08 | abraxa__ | kdean06: Neo or FR? |
16:23.10 | mjr | doesn't haappen here really |
16:23.16 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, Flawlessle everytime? |
16:23.23 | kdean06 | abraxa__, Both, actually. |
16:23.25 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: yes, pretty much |
16:23.38 | kdean06 | Hrm... |
16:23.48 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, What distro are you running on your host systems? |
16:24.50 | kdean06 | Because I've found that both the Freerunner and the 1973 randomly die now and then on Debian Sid/Experimental and my wife made me aware last night of random USB drops and restarts on Ubuntu Gutsy. |
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16:28.11 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: slackware |
16:28.15 | kdean06 | Hrm. |
16:28.37 | abraxa__ | kdean06: Wow, your wife uses linux? Congratulations, dude :) |
16:28.51 | kdean06 | lol |
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16:29.40 | kdean06 | She's not really admining it herself, I set it up and she just uses it. :) |
16:30.26 | kdean06 | But she's a big fan of being able to make Clearlooks turn purple. And it's easier for me to deal with that any of the alternatives... I feel so out of place tinkering with Windows. :S |
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16:58.17 | abraxa__ | Hmm, does anyone have issues compiling openmoko-mediaplayer2? |
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16:59.50 | abraxa__ | I'd be surprised if not as I'm getting an error regarding AC_PROG_INTLTOOL (though I have no idea why that is an issue now) |
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17:01.55 | wurp2 | kdean06: I can only think of one occasion that my neo failed to charge properly the whole time it was connected to my Gutsy machine |
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17:31.19 | d3vice | g'afternoon |
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18:35.01 | PBeck | ahoi |
18:36.45 | playya_ | ~seen thos |
18:36.46 | apt | thos <i=thomas@nano.thos.me.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 32d 5h 13m ago, saying: 'ScaredyCat, such as?'. |
18:36.52 | playya_ | :'( |
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19:02.37 | abraxa__ | playya_: Send him a mail? |
19:02.48 | playya_ | yes |
19:03.04 | playya_ | but generaly he answers really fast |
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19:06.18 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r84fd202c433f 10/data/themes/zhone.edc: zhone: disable fading transition effect for now |
19:14.04 | Sup3rkiddo | mickey|linuxtag, howdy |
19:16.45 | mickey|linuxtag | heya |
19:17.11 | mickey|linuxtag | sorry for not getting back to ya, but there's hardly network on linuxtag and we're standing 10 hours on the booth every day |
19:17.32 | Sup3rkiddo | hope its fun!...me got scary things to talk about :P |
19:17.46 | mickey|linuxtag | well, it's stress :) |
19:18.20 | playya_ | i want to be there too :( |
19:18.35 | Sup3rkiddo | mickey|linuxtag, hehe, understood... |
19:18.37 | playya_ | btw. marco did not sent me the promised cards |
19:20.53 | daMaestro | mickey|linuxtag, hey.. you should go say hello to Jeroen van Meeuwen and Max Spevack at the Fedora booth ;-) |
19:21.36 | daMaestro | oh and Paul Frields ... |
19:21.38 | mickey|linuxtag | daMaestro: oki, will do |
19:22.04 | wurp2 | emdete: Do you have a page that lists the major functionality currently in Zad/Underground? |
19:22.18 | daMaestro | mickey|linuxtag, i was really wanting to bring a freerunner to FUDCon and get a group of contributors interested in maintaining an OM development stack in Fedora |
19:23.06 | daMaestro | mickey|linuxtag, you might be able to poke people @ LinuxTag re: devel stack; I already have most everything packaged... just need to update it, get it reviewed, etc |
19:23.27 | emdete | wurp2: http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/Zad ? |
19:23.30 | mickey|linuxtag | oh, ok. i'll mention tht |
19:24.24 | wurp2 | I had seen that, but I didn't see anything that listed what it does now |
19:24.52 | ljp | any reason why daily images on buildhost stopped on 25 May? |
19:25.00 | daMaestro | builds are failing now? |
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19:25.33 | daMaestro | iirc, qtopia-x11* or something is currently failing to build |
19:25.57 | daMaestro | May 28 17:53:35 <mmontour>daMaestro: I tried doing an org.openmoko.asu.dev build earlier today, but it failed on qtopia-phone-x11. The ones on buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/... are probably the best ones you'll find (but I haven't tried them) |
19:26.17 | wurp2 | On http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/ZadStatus, I see pylgrim (gps), sms, and dialing and muxing |
19:26.29 | wurp2 | I assume that it does gprs, since that would be the main point of muxing |
19:26.44 | emdete | wurp2: ah, i see, it's moving... more or less: news feeds are shown; your mails; osm of you current position; transactions on your bank account; hot or not; power state; network switching usb/gprs; |
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19:27.25 | emdete | wurp2: also you can dial (manually remambered number); receive calls; no sms for now |
19:27.28 | wurp2 | transactions on my bank account? Hot or not? |
19:27.30 | wurp2 | ;-) |
19:27.45 | wurp2 | Cool |
19:27.57 | emdete | shure (h.o.n.: http://www.hotornot.de/?check=0) |
19:28.21 | emdete | this is zad's view: http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/ZadStatus#IstheNeohotOrnot |
19:28.24 | wurp2 | Some of the things that are missing sound like fairly easy things to code... I might pitch in on some of those |
19:28.26 | mmontour | qtopia-phone-x11 from org.openmoko.asu.dev fails to build for GTA01. The bitbake recipe from org.openmoko.dev has some fixes, but last time I tried it there were still problems in do_install() |
19:28.56 | emdete | wurp2: yes, i would like to, but i am fighting wth low level stuff. i will get that stable before i start gui again |
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19:29.04 | wurp2 | Yeah, I agree |
19:29.20 | emdete | wurp2: for now i only do gui enhancements when i'm frustrated from low level uglyness ;) |
19:29.21 | wurp2 | That was NOT a complaint; I was just pleased that there is stuff I could contribute to |
19:29.45 | emdete | wurp2: i would really like to see that but i am to slow :/ |
19:30.04 | wurp2 | and enough stuff working that I could maybe switch over from OM builds w/o too much pain |
19:30.05 | emdete | wurp2: the dbus-api is still moving and the gui plugin mechanism gets changed too soon |
19:30.22 | emdete | wurp2: what are your ideas? |
19:30.29 | wurp2 | Is there somewhere I can read about the gui plugin switch? |
19:30.39 | wurp2 | Well, I would like to put together a media player |
19:31.14 | emdete | wurp2: not now. point is: everything is reduced to yes/no/maybe... to fit everything into that it needs some good ideas... |
19:31.41 | wurp2 | w/ automated detection of when you connect to a broadband network (or maybe just your home network) and tries to get songs you've requested from your main music list |
19:31.56 | emdete | yes, there was a playlist-thing with gstreamer in a earlier release which has gone when i switched completly to py (that vresion was c) |
19:31.59 | wurp2 | and deletes songs you've already listened to |
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19:32.17 | emdete | syncing... pfew, cool stuff... |
19:33.09 | wurp2 | What happens if e.g. you just try to opkg install openmoko-terminal? |
19:33.31 | emdete | nothing ;) zad runs fullscreen without a wm for now |
19:33.39 | wurp2 | ah |
19:33.55 | wurp2 | But I could probably build a python terminal pretty easily |
19:34.16 | emdete | and: it would install nearly 'world' because i stripped the rootfs down to 39% on a gta01 |
19:34.41 | wurp2 | Yeah, I thought that would be the case |
19:34.43 | emdete | wurp2: that would be great... as a detail view.. hm. i should get rid of the plugin design soon |
19:34.55 | emdete | it just has to be e... |
19:35.19 | wurp2 | I dunno anything about e :-) |
19:35.27 | wurp2 | but, I dunno much about any gui system |
19:35.28 | emdete | wurp2: i didn't either |
19:35.47 | wurp2 | I just hack stuff out in whichever one is appropriate. I don't do it often enough to really learn one |
19:35.53 | emdete | it's fast and good friends of mine use it. |
19:35.58 | wurp2 | I do mostly back end work (webservers) |
19:36.26 | emdete | wurp2: you would like the zad design. everything is backend. gui is quit dump |
19:36.46 | wurp2 | I installed Zad for a while and played with it |
19:36.57 | emdete | all functionality is available through dbus, if its hot or not, osm, whatever |
19:36.59 | wurp2 | pyneod and pyneog seemed very straightforward |
19:37.13 | wurp2 | dbus is also kick-ass |
19:37.13 | emdete | if you like you just build your gui in... say... days |
19:37.52 | emdete | what i also did is to keep the api dynamic with maps so you can add params without breaking anything |
19:38.12 | emdete | i have the case right now where i need a new param. i just add it and nobody cares |
19:38.27 | emdete | nobody but the component that uses it in the futre |
19:38.59 | emdete | if you develop alone you cannot fix everything in one moment so i needed some decopling |
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19:40.03 | wurp2 | I see |
19:40.25 | wurp2 | I assume that only applies to direct api; dbus is still standard param list? |
19:40.34 | emdete | no, opposit |
19:40.41 | wurp2 | the only downside I see to the map thing is documentation |
19:40.46 | emdete | dbus uses a{sv} |
19:40.49 | wurp2 | I see |
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19:41.33 | wurp2 | What about the dbus interfaces defined standard like ophoned? |
19:42.02 | emdete | :D |
19:42.15 | emdete | it is to static for my needs |
19:42.30 | emdete | we had lots of discussion with mickey but he did not like my idea |
19:42.54 | emdete | so we split, i made modules to allow separate api |
19:43.08 | wurp2 | ah, so the differences are only at the dbus interface layer? |
19:43.12 | wurp2 | Below that code is shared? |
19:44.16 | emdete | that was the plan.. ask mickey, as far as i know he started a own gsmd with some of the ideas of pygsmd |
19:44.41 | mickey|linuxtag | emdete: who is this girl? photoshop or actual neo lover? |
19:44.59 | emdete | mickey|linuxtag: sry, gimp :) |
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19:46.09 | mickey|linuxtag | ah, too bad ;) |
19:46.14 | mickey|linuxtag | but now i'm less envious |
19:46.16 | mickey|linuxtag | *g* |
19:46.17 | emdete | yes.. |
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19:47.19 | cb22 | mickey|linuxtag: theres always josch's openmoko camisole |
19:47.33 | mickey|linuxtag | *nod* |
19:47.40 | mickey|linuxtag | bbiab |
19:47.43 | mickey|linuxtag | grabs dinner |
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20:13.26 | josch | cb22, you're kind of persistant arent you? :P |
20:14.02 | josch | cb22, enjoy the *real* benefits of the camisole: http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/mokoelsa.png |
20:16.33 | abraxa_ | lol. |
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20:18.30 | josch | abraxa_, you dont know... maybe he likes men more? :D |
20:19.43 | cb22 | abraxa_ has no room to speak, he is the bdsm slave emo kid after all :p |
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20:20.30 | abraxa_ | cb22: I'm not emo. :) |
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20:21.34 | cb22 | runs |
20:22.03 | tushyd | anyone have any updates on production testing? |
20:23.39 | Blastur | tushyd: they had to respin the freerunner, so it has been delayed until late december 2008 |
20:23.50 | Blastur | good news is that software will be far more mature upon release |
20:24.13 | tushyd | seriously? December! |
20:24.15 | tushyd | man that sucks |
20:24.37 | Blastur | i know |
20:24.48 | josch | you have heard wrong |
20:24.57 | josch | it's december 2009 instead |
20:24.58 | tushyd | what does "respin mean" |
20:24.59 | josch | :P |
20:25.27 | Blastur | it means that there are too many showstopperbugs in the hardware, there is no way to work around the bugs |
20:25.36 | daMaestro | waits for someone to call bullshit |
20:25.43 | josch | hehe |
20:25.47 | Blastur | more specifically, the graphics components have been deemed too slow |
20:25.52 | Blastur | the performance is simply unacceptable |
20:26.13 | Blastur | so they are going to replace it with PowerVR chipset (same as iPhone uses actually) |
20:26.14 | tushyd | ah |
20:26.22 | tushyd | interesting |
20:26.22 | josch | tushyd, he is joking |
20:26.26 | tushyd | oh. |
20:26.27 | tushyd | haha |
20:26.30 | cb22 | yeah, and the v8 is getting inculded too |
20:26.44 | josch | no actually they want to include a geforce 9800GT |
20:26.54 | tushyd | ha, wouldn't that be nice |
20:26.59 | spydon | hehe |
20:27.04 | josch | they only had som trouble porting the nvidia driver to armv4t |
20:27.09 | Blastur | it's eitehr PowerVR or a Voodoo 2 card with 3DFX acceleration |
20:27.30 | tushyd | so december was a joke? |
20:27.36 | wurp2 | tushyd: It means they are lying to you |
20:27.41 | josch | and as you mention powervr - i heard it is about being reverse engineered atm |
20:27.42 | Blastur | tushyd: im afraid so :( |
20:28.01 | josch | tushyd, its hopefully to be available next month |
20:28.04 | Blastur | freerunner should be out soon, with a slow graphics accelerator |
20:28.08 | tushyd | damn I wish I wasn't so gullible |
20:28.24 | Blastur | or rather, with insufficient bus bandwidth to the gfx accelerator |
20:28.29 | Qwell | tushyd: gullable* |
20:28.37 | wurp2 | The bandwidth problem to the gfx chip has me considering whether I'm getting FR at all :-( |
20:28.50 | wurp2 | I have a 1973 already |
20:28.56 | wurp2 | Qwell: heh |
20:29.11 | Qwell | wurp2: :) |
20:29.22 | tushyd | Qwell: You can spell it both ways. Like grey and gray |
20:29.30 | Qwell | tushyd: actually, you can't. |
20:29.40 | Qwell | you were right :p you missed the joke, I think |
20:29.56 | josch | i for myself will stick with my gta01 but only because i dont need wlan and the accelerometers |
20:29.57 | tushyd | haha |
20:30.21 | tushyd | oh, so there is a gfx problem? |
20:30.29 | josch | slightly |
20:30.32 | wurp2 | There is a bandwidth prob to the gfx chip |
20:30.44 | wurp2 | as in, bw to the gfx chip is shared with the sd card |
20:30.46 | josch | but it should be as fast as without acceleration |
20:31.03 | wurp2 | and is about 1/10th the bw on the 1973 iirc |
20:31.14 | tushyd | ah |
20:31.40 | wurp2 | It sounded as if getting 320x240 video to work on the FR was probably not going to happen |
20:31.57 | wurp2 | until someone gets accel working, and no one is working on that or forsees a time when they will |
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20:32.45 | wurp2 | josch: The accelerometers looked very cool to me |
20:32.46 | josch | indeed |
20:32.46 | wurp2 | josch: wifi is only 'eh' |
20:32.46 | josch | they are a neat feature |
20:32.46 | tushyd | seriously? video playback is pretty standard... I can see people not buying the FR for that reason |
20:32.58 | josch | tushyd, hardly anybody knows for sure |
20:32.59 | wurp2 | Mostly I would use wifi at home, and at home I have bluetooth I can use |
20:33.05 | josch | these are just estimations |
20:33.18 | wurp2 | raster seemed fairly certain... but I would love to see him be wrong |
20:33.27 | josch | i myself also heard people that are quite satisfied with the qvga video performance of the freerunner |
20:33.38 | wurp2 | josch: Are they watching video? |
20:33.49 | josch | namely the iscsi guy |
20:33.53 | wurp2 | I haven't been able to play video (the sw has been broken) on the 1973 for months |
20:34.00 | josch | he sais we can watch youtube vids just fine |
20:34.03 | wurp2 | wow |
20:34.07 | wurp2 | very good news! |
20:34.16 | josch | indeed |
20:34.24 | wurp2 | youtube is about 160x120, though, no? |
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20:34.32 | wurp2 | not that I really care |
20:34.40 | josch | dont know |
20:34.42 | wurp2 | if it looks OK, that's all that matters to me |
20:34.45 | josch | ask someone who uses it :P |
20:35.33 | cb22 | ooh, sweet, looks like freebsd just got per-process routing tables |
20:35.42 | josch | we should also try to not scare people away by saying things like "video isnt working" if we dont know that for sure |
20:36.00 | josch | we need a lot of freerunner to be bought from openmoko |
20:36.26 | josch | so it is profitable for all of use to not spread unverified bad stuff |
20:36.32 | josch | -not |
20:36.42 | tushyd | i'm still going to buy it, no doubt |
20:36.42 | wurp2 | true |
20:36.58 | wurp2 | I'm very happy with the 1973 |
20:37.01 | josch | i would buy it too if you give me the money :P |
20:37.03 | cyril__ | especially when we can see video working with L4 kernel |
20:37.14 | josch | yeah L4 is nice |
20:37.25 | wurp2 | I may or may not get FR, depends on if the sw for one or the other makes my wife happy ;-) |
20:37.29 | josch | lets port the hurd to it ^^ |
20:37.59 | wurp2 | Is hurd even done? |
20:38.05 | josch | hehe |
20:38.06 | wurp2 | I dunno nuttin about L4 |
20:38.15 | josch | L4 is a microkernel |
20:38.45 | wurp2 | I thought they were writing Duke Nukem Forever for Hurd ;-) |
20:38.48 | josch | theoretically such a kernel should be a bit slow on embedded devices |
20:39.11 | wurp2 | sure, but how would it affect video, if the issue is bw? |
20:39.19 | josch | i'm running a bet which one is out first |
20:39.38 | josch | I'm all for the hurd :D |
20:39.45 | AVee | We should port minux to the freerunner ;) |
20:39.57 | josch | okay brb naruto |
20:40.47 | cb22 | netbsd on freerunner! |
20:40.58 | spydon | have anyone done that? :P |
20:41.03 | cb22 | yep |
20:41.08 | cb22 | well, on the neo1973 |
20:41.11 | cb22 | and in qemu |
20:41.58 | AVee | NetBSD will probably port itself automagically, thats what is usually does... |
20:43.17 | cb22 | i've never used netbsd up until a week ago or so. now i'm running it on my eee and on my shiny new server :) |
20:43.28 | cb22 | i'm more a freebsd person |
20:44.10 | wurp2 | AVee: Port itself automagically? |
20:44.26 | AVee | To be honest, a haven't got around to running either one of them. The old debian server just won't die ;) |
20:45.15 | wurp2 | I've been perfectly happy w/ Linux |
20:45.19 | AVee | wurp2: Sure, it has to be like that, it's the only explanation for their list of supported platforms. Must be magic ;) |
20:45.21 | wurp2 | Sorry, GNU/Linux ;-) |
20:45.46 | mickey|berlin | seen l4 today on a Neo |
20:45.48 | wurp2 | AVee: :-) |
20:45.50 | mickey|berlin | demoed by the master himself, Prof. H. |
20:46.07 | ferric | is the l4 geared towards mobile devices? |
20:46.07 | mickey|berlin | impressive technology |
20:46.12 | mickey|berlin | nothing useful right now, but impressive nonetheless |
20:46.31 | AVee | Yeah, it's really interesting stuff. |
20:46.43 | mickey|berlin | ferric: depends. it's for minimizing the TCB |
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20:46.52 | mickey|berlin | which may be interesting on mobiles |
20:46.53 | mickey|berlin | or not |
20:47.40 | ferric | ah. |
20:47.54 | josch | mickey|berlin, präzise wie ein holzhammer :P |
20:48.03 | mickey|berlin | :D |
20:48.14 | ferric | mickey|berlin: you have an FR? |
20:48.36 | mickey|berlin | some preMP device is sitting next to me, yes. |
20:48.53 | wurp2 | All the FR pics I've seen still have two speaker grills |
20:48.57 | wurp2 | Is that the plan for release? |
20:49.03 | mickey|berlin | yep. changing that would have been costly |
20:49.21 | mickey|berlin | and it's good for symmetrie |
20:49.22 | wurp2 | yeah, no big deal. It just threw me off. |
20:49.26 | mickey|berlin | for whatever that's worth :D |
20:49.38 | Qwell | the speakers on the bottom should be moved up :p |
20:49.54 | Qwell | bottom/sides |
20:50.27 | mickey|berlin | *shrug* many things will be done, once Om actually does its first ID |
20:50.34 | Qwell | ID? |
20:50.44 | mickey|berlin | industrial design |
20:50.47 | Qwell | ahh |
20:50.48 | mickey|berlin | case and stuff |
20:50.57 | mickey|berlin | we inherited this one |
20:51.07 | mickey|berlin | so it was "take it or no project" |
20:51.08 | mickey|berlin | guess what we did :) |
20:51.28 | mickey|berlin | so really all complaints about the case is void |
20:51.34 | mickey|berlin | kind of ;) |
20:51.34 | Qwell | fair |
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20:53.36 | wurp2 | wow |
20:53.40 | wurp2 | I hadn't heard that before |
20:53.57 | cb22 | mickey|berlin: i hear gta04 is going to look hot :) ? |
20:54.04 | wurp2 | So no choice about screen formfactor |
20:54.22 | mickey|berlin | cb22: i have no idea. i sincerely hope so |
20:54.25 | mickey|berlin | wurp2: yep |
20:54.35 | mickey|berlin | wurp2: actually |
20:54.38 | cb22 | wow, 6 hours talk time on the free runner |
20:54.56 | mickey|berlin | 90% of gta01 was already decided upon when Openmoko started |
20:54.56 | mickey|berlin | dunno whether i should tell that |
20:55.02 | wurp2 | cb22: 6 hours talk time w/ cpu running full speed |
20:55.03 | mickey|berlin | so that's our heritage |
20:55.07 | cb22 | wurp2: yeah |
20:55.12 | cb22 | i find that really impressive |
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20:55.44 | cb22 | correct me if i'm wrong, but the ti handles encoding of the audio, so the cpu only really needs to be on minimal power? |
20:56.10 | cb22 | like 12mhz or so :) |
20:56.29 | mickey|berlin | kind of |
20:56.40 | mickey|berlin | so with cpufreq really working, there should be plenty of talk time |
20:56.49 | mickey|berlin | although the s3c has limits |
20:56.57 | mickey|berlin | omap is the clocking wonder |
20:57.08 | wurp2 | Is anything going on with cpufreq? I haven't heard anything about it in months |
20:57.30 | wurp2 | or maybe it's only a month |
20:57.46 | mickey|berlin | not atm. |
20:57.52 | wurp2 | :-( |
20:57.56 | mickey|berlin | one kernel expert on vacation |
20:58.01 | mickey|berlin | other one busy with production testing software |
20:58.21 | wurp2 | oh, I had the impression cesarb was an indie, not employed by OM |
20:58.30 | mickey|berlin | oh, for sure |
20:58.34 | cb22 | anyone know where i could find power info about the cpu? |
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21:00.28 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management |
21:00.34 | wurp2 | Of course, it's all about the 01 |
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21:04.20 | wurp2 | based on that page, it seems that having the cpu at 12mhz would add no more than 2 hours to that 6 hour talk time |
21:04.54 | cb22 | 2 hours is a lot |
21:05.05 | cb22 | 1/3 |
21:05.32 | wurp2 | well, this would add less than 1/5 |
21:05.44 | wurp2 | assuming nothing else is eating power, gsm on a call is 600 mW |
21:05.56 | wurp2 | cpu idling at 200 MHz is 140 mW |
21:06.07 | wurp2 | cpu at 12 MHz is 50 mW |
21:06.24 | wurp2 | So at best, it's a comparison of 740 mW to 650 mW |
21:06.45 | cb22 | i'm sure that the 2440 would draw more power though? |
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21:07.14 | wurp2 | Well, anything that draws the same power in both scenarios makes the ratio worse |
21:07.28 | wurp2 | Sorry, you're comparing cpus |
21:07.32 | wurp2 | I agree there |
21:08.17 | wurp2 | It should be better than the 6hrs * 740 / 650 figure for the 2440 |
21:08.39 | wurp2 | *but*, it will probably be worse than that figure, because that's ignoring any other current draw |
21:09.39 | wurp2 | Is RAM used much (at all?) during phone calls? |
21:10.20 | wurp2 | bus power draw is very heavy |
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21:11.18 | cb22 | random question: the freerunner has 2 sets of ram, one 64mb built into the cpu, and one 64mb chip |
21:11.27 | cb22 | could it be 'turned off'? |
21:12.18 | wurp2 | that's a cool notion |
21:12.30 | wurp2 | Is the machine smart enough to prefer the built-in ram? |
21:12.43 | wurp2 | If you're not talking to the stuff on the bus, there's essentially no power draw from what I can tell |
21:13.29 | wurp2 | So if it prefers the cpu ram (to the extent of moving memory from the other ram if enough remains free on the cpu ram for a long enough period) you would get the same benefit |
21:16.12 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Do you know off the top of your head the bus speed devoted to keeping the screen updated? |
21:19.24 | abraxa_ | wurp2: Personally I'd say that worrying about the little energy the external RAM uses is moot with the glamo in place ;) |
21:25.52 | wurp2 | The bus uses 600 mW if it's on full speed |
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21:26.18 | wurp2 | I am more worried about the battery usage of the 1973 than FR, too ;-) |
21:26.20 | wurp2 | at least for now |
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21:27.27 | mmontour | I'm no longer worried about the 1973's battery usage - I've given up on it (after getting <24 hours even while suspended) |
21:29.19 | wurp2 | mmontour: You had the battery go dead in less than 24 hours, suspended? |
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21:30.03 | mmontour | Yes, using one of mwester's kernels. Note that I have old moko1 GSM firmware, which might be part of the problem. |
21:30.04 | wurp2 | Has anyone talked about what's broken? 'cause something has to be just ignoring the suspend for that to happen, it seems to me |
21:30.15 | wurp2 | ah, I do have updated firmware |
21:30.37 | wurp2 | I don't think it had the big power saving update that everyone was talking about 6 months ago, though |
21:30.52 | wurp2 | afaik, that never came available |
21:30.54 | mmontour | There might have been something else still powered up (GPS, audio, etc) - I didn't investigate at all |
21:31.58 | wurp2 | I'd actually be fine with 16 hours uptime if I could actually get wake on gsm during that time, and ideally get it to wake and take some gps & cell tower readings every few minutes |
21:32.10 | wurp2 | hrm, maybe even less than that... I need a car charger |
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21:33.12 | wurp2 | I just realized that I've been keeping the gps off lately because I was worried about power |
21:33.24 | wurp2 | but gps is less than 1/16th the power draw of the rest of the system |
21:34.17 | wurp2 | I'd like to start playing with finding cell towers, building little super-quick apps to let me bookmark & tag places, location based alerts, etc |
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21:36.29 | mmontour | Right now I'd settle for good-enough battery life and audio quality to replace my current phone - a Sanyo SCP4000 from around 1999, still on its original battery |
21:37.01 | wurp2 | it already replaced my previous phone |
21:37.13 | wurp2 | but it sits on a charger all day at work, and usually as soon as I get home |
21:37.21 | wurp2 | and I hear complaints about echo :-( |
21:37.47 | mmontour | Hopefully the future case-redesign will include better audio isolation between the speaker and the mic |
21:38.52 | mmontour | As for charger-all-day - I want the phone to make my life easier. I don't want to have to put in a lot of effort keeping it fed with electrons |
21:39.33 | wurp2 | I don't consider it a lot of effort |
21:39.39 | wurp2 | But I understand the sentiment |
21:41.06 | wurp2 | mmontour: But... I think we are a fairly long way away from the neo making your life easier |
21:41.36 | wurp2 | The hacker's phone has more bugs than one would see from a polished end-user-oriented phone |
21:42.09 | wurp2 | I'm having fun hacking on it, more than enough fun to make up for the times when I e.g. have to reboot it because it's forgotten it's supposed to be a cell phone |
21:42.23 | mmontour | Well, "easier" in its role as a phone (so I can replace my current one and not have to keep paying for 2 accounts). Hacking is a whole other matter. |
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21:46.54 | wurp2 | Yeah, I just bit the bullet and moved my sim card right away when I got the phone |
21:47.00 | wurp2 | mostly that has worked out |
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21:47.22 | wurp2 | periodically we seem to get a release that loses track of the cell network & doesn't notice, though, so I don't get any calls :-( |
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21:48.07 | mmontour | My old one is CDMA, so it's a bit more work to switch. |
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21:48.28 | wurp2 | ah |
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22:39.06 | cesarb | wurp2: sorry, been busy with work, so I haven't progressed much |
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23:06.43 | abraxa_ | NOTE: Fetched git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz from tarball stash, skipping checkout |
23:06.43 | abraxa_ | NOTE: Creating tarball of git repository |
23:06.43 | abraxa_ | fatal: failed to unpack tree object 3bf4cea81fe7dd81cad6f78019383c93653ba7f6 |
23:06.55 | abraxa_ | Has anyone seen/experienced/solved this issue before? |
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