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| 00:21.43 | egn | hey, I was wondering if this feature can be implimented with the OpenMoko platform: 'emergency' away states, ie. I put on an away message "hey, I'm sleeping, if it's an emergency, press 5", if they press 5, the phone rings, otherwise it sends them to voicemail |
| 00:22.21 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:22.34 | SpeedEvil | mentioned in the wiki |
| 00:22.47 | SpeedEvil | When anyone will implement it... |
| 00:24.14 | egn | SpeedEvil: k, what's it under? |
| 00:24.46 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 00:24.57 | SpeedEvil | Category:Calling_Features ? |
| 00:25.15 | egn | alright, thanks |
| 00:26.29 | abraxa__ | egn: The wiki page is named Wishlist, just fyi |
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| 00:30.06 | mmontour | egn: A similar but easier-to-implement method would be to let the first call go to voicemail but to note the caller ID, then if you get a second call from that same ID within a time window (e.g. 5 minutes) then ring the Neo. |
| 00:34.53 | egn | mmontour: alright, what's the harder part about the original method? |
| 00:36.39 | mmontour | I think you would have to answer the call to tell whether or not they had pressed 5, and if not I don't know if you could send the call to your carrier's voicemail (so you'd have to have the voicemail itself done on the Neo). However I haven't worked with GSM in any detail so this may not be correct. |
| 00:37.08 | liwei | anyone use GPS in gta02? |
| 00:37.59 | egn | mmontour: alright, thanks for the input |
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| 00:40.41 | abraxa__ | liwei: Not many people here even have one :) |
| 00:41.13 | liwei | SpeedEvil should know it |
| 00:41.53 | liwei | i know he made S-GPS |
| 00:46.27 | egn | what's the voicemail status on the OpenMoko itself? |
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| 01:00.06 | SpeedEvil | Not |
| 01:00.20 | SpeedEvil | liwei: in a very limited manner |
| 01:01.19 | SpeedEvil | egn: Much outside the core functionality is unimplemented. |
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| 01:01.32 | SpeedEvil | egn: Much inside the core functionality is unimplemented. |
| 01:01.36 | SpeedEvil | (though a bit less) |
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| 01:05.37 | egn | SpeedEvil: hah alright |
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| 01:33.34 | mmontour | egn: there is an Openmoko port of Asterisk so you might be able use that for voicemail. I haven't tried it. |
| 01:36.26 | egn | mmontour: hm alright |
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| 01:37.12 | liwei | speedEvil here? |
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| 01:40.20 | liwei | i need SpeedEvil to help me? |
| 01:42.46 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 01:44.40 | liwei | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/7-Installation.html |
| 01:45.09 | rarsa | Hi. what is the status of OpenMoko? I've been going to the web site for about a year and it's always "about to be released" |
| 01:46.06 | liwei | i am very happy for SpeedEvil coming |
| 01:46.18 | rarsa | The news were quite static up until march this year but again no announcements, just some media buzz |
| 01:46.55 | liwei | i use tangoGPS,but if no gllin , i can use it? |
| 01:47.49 | SpeedEvil | liwei: no |
| 01:47.57 | liwei | SpeedEvil , yesterday , you told me to cat /dev/ttySAC1 outside, i think it maybe work |
| 01:48.05 | SpeedEvil | li oh |
| 01:48.10 | SpeedEvil | I forgot you had GTA02 |
| 01:48.16 | liwei | but i can't see anything in tanggoGPS |
| 01:48.18 | SpeedEvil | You need to configure gpsd |
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| 01:48.31 | SpeedEvil | to read from that serial port |
| 01:48.43 | SpeedEvil | rarsa: with luck - end of the monthish |
| 01:48.52 | SpeedEvil | rarsa: production is supposed to be happening now |
| 01:49.26 | rarsa | When will the group shippings start? |
| 01:49.48 | SpeedEvil | rarsa: I'd not expect it mid next month at the absolute earliest. |
| 01:50.19 | SpeedEvil | ^till |
| 01:50.45 | rarsa | thanks |
| 01:51.44 | liwei | SpeedEvil how to config gpsd? is there a wiki to teach it ? |
| 01:51.45 | rarsa | Do you know if it will be supported by canadian carriers? is there a link of carriers it works with? |
| 01:53.37 | mmontour | rarsa: it will work with Rogers and Fido |
| 01:54.06 | rarsa | Thank you |
| 01:55.32 | SpeedEvil | rarsa: any GSM carrier |
| 01:56.13 | rarsa | How reliable are the calls? at the few presentations I've been (conferences) they said it was a "work in progress" but would be stable when released. Is that the expectation? |
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| 01:56.35 | rarsa | Oh, the other low point was battery life. is that still the case? |
| 01:57.06 | rarsa | (just FYI... I don't own a cell phone, I've never had or seen the need for one, but I waant my first to be a neo) |
| 01:57.20 | SpeedEvil | It's a work in progress. |
| 01:57.33 | SpeedEvil | It's not going to be consumer ready when it's released. |
| 01:57.43 | SpeedEvil | It should usually make/recieve calls and SMSs |
| 01:57.49 | liwei | SpeedEvil help me please when you have spare time |
| 01:58.04 | SpeedEvil | liwei: I don't know how to configure gpsd. |
| 01:58.32 | SpeedEvil | http://gpsd.berlios.de/ is the webpage. |
| 01:58.44 | SpeedEvil | You need to set it up for a serial GPS on TTYSAC1 |
| 01:58.59 | SpeedEvil | after turnbing the GPS on. |
| 01:59.22 | liwei | do you use it in gta02? |
| 01:59.30 | SpeedEvil | Id on't have one. |
| 01:59.40 | SpeedEvil | Or I'd bother setting it up and posting to wiki |
| 02:00.45 | mmontour | rarsa: We're all hoping/expecting that the Freerunner will have acceptable battery life. |
| 02:01.17 | liwei | thank you very much , i go to check that gpsd web , maybe have information |
| 02:01.27 | mmontour | My main concern is audio quality - my GTA01 has a loud echo, and I have not seen anything to reassure me that GTA02 will be any better |
| 02:01.33 | rarsa | Is that a HW or SW "condition" ? (the battery and the call quality)? |
| 02:01.47 | mmontour | HW and SW |
| 02:02.07 | rarsa | I mean, do you know if I buy one, the problems will be solved with SW upgrades? |
| 02:02.28 | rarsa | or will it be the same case as with the 1973? Experimental for developers? |
| 02:03.59 | mmontour | My personal opinion is that Freerunner will ship with some unresolved hardware bugs that will affect its use as a "normal" phone. I'd love to be proved wrong. |
| 02:04.38 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: any specific bugs you have in mind? |
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| 02:06.55 | mmontour | Audio echo is the main one. Also, mailing list posts like this one worry me: (...searching for link) |
| 02:07.45 | mmontour | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-May/002741.html |
| 02:09.21 | SpeedEvil | I am irritated by the lack of schematics. |
| 02:09.47 | mmontour | mwester's investigation of GSM flow control issues is another area to watch closely |
| 02:09.52 | mwester | suspects that insuffient user-space development with the neo1973 will permit some as-yet-unidentified hardware/firmware issues to slip through. |
| 02:10.23 | SpeedEvil | Yeah :/ |
| 02:10.33 | SpeedEvil | And the lack of eyes on schematics. |
| 02:10.42 | SpeedEvil | s/cs/cs son't help/ |
| 02:10.43 | mwester | I am troubled by the seeming assumption, without any obvious justification, that all is well with the GSM. :( |
| 02:11.24 | mwester | Jeorg (sp?) seems to have been a valuable addition to the team as it relates to the schematics! |
| 02:11.50 | SpeedEvil | ket: don't |
| 02:11.51 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 02:13.24 | rarsa | well, thank you for the information |
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| 02:36.15 | liwei | how to install a soft keyboard |
| 02:37.39 | liwei | i don't want to use default keyboard |
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| 02:55.09 | liwei | when i use opkg update ,what does mean "Signature check failed"? |
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| 03:06.31 | zash | liwei: means what it says :D |
| 03:07.10 | nab | waves |
| 03:07.21 | nab | Greetings all. |
| 03:07.23 | nab | :-) |
| 03:07.38 | zash | mornin' |
| 03:07.48 | nab | Does anyone know how to increase the buffer size for audio player with the media player...? |
| 03:08.19 | nab | I really want to walk to the store listening to tunes using iSCSI/GPRS. :-) |
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| 03:10.53 | nab | Using the 10 Kb/sec link it skips pretty bad. |
| 03:11.19 | nab | I am assuming the defaults are set to read from SD level I/O performance. |
| 03:11.34 | nab | iSCSI/Wifi is faster than that btw. |
| 03:11.44 | SpeedEvil | 10k/s can't work |
| 03:11.52 | SpeedEvil | gprs is 5k/s |
| 03:12.29 | zash | GPRS ~= 56k modem ~= 7 KiB/s theoretical max :D |
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| 03:12.59 | nab | Actually |
| 03:13.07 | nab | root@om-gta02:~# hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 03:13.07 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.10 | zash | i think gprs is slower than 56k |
| 03:13.17 | nab | root@om-gta02:~# hdparm -t /dev/sda |
| 03:13.17 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.22 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.30 | SpeedEvil | nab: not over GPRS |
| 03:13.37 | nab | SpeedEvil: I know |
| 03:13.42 | nab | Sorry, iSCSI/WiFI LUN |
| 03:13.43 | nab | :-) |
| 03:13.57 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I diddn't realise GTA02 |
| 03:14.02 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if that's a slow SD. |
| 03:14.03 | nab | But anyways, having to wait for 30 seconds before I can listen to mp3sis OK |
| 03:14.20 | nab | For iSCSI/GPRS |
| 03:14.29 | SpeedEvil | Or if GTA02 is slower than GTA01 |
| 03:14.36 | nab | The mounts are completely stable over iSCSI/GPRS btw |
| 03:14.37 | zash | shitloads of local caching would be nice if possible |
| 03:14.38 | SpeedEvil | I get 3MB/second over SD |
| 03:14.56 | nab | Now its just a matter of getting the apps to take into account the slow link. ;P |
| 03:15.03 | nab | SpeedEvil: Hrmm |
| 03:15.16 | nab | I am running git from 05132008 |
| 03:16.00 | SpeedEvil | Linux om-gta01 2.6.24 #2 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 23:51:06 CDT 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 03:16.02 | nab | Anyways, anyone know where I should start looking for pre-buffer settings for audio with openmoko-media-player2 |
| 03:16.34 | nab | I think it uses pulseaudio for the backend |
| 03:17.17 | zash | would grep -i buffer /path/to/openmoko-media-player2/src for starters |
| 03:17.32 | nab | nods |
| 03:17.46 | nab | I see ~/.openmoko-mediaplayer |
| 03:18.00 | nab | But it appears to be non-text and related to the current playlist |
| 03:18.44 | nab | Ok, I see /etc/pulse |
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| 03:19.27 | nab | Hrmm, nothing wrt pre-buffer size |
| 03:21.22 | nab | Ok, time to ask in #pulseaudio |
| 03:21.24 | nab | :-) |
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| 03:23.54 | nab | raster: greetings |
| 03:24.11 | nab | raster: Hey, do you know anything about pulseaudio wrt openmoko-mediaplayer..? |
| 03:24.19 | raster | nada |
| 03:24.20 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it's pulseaudio |
| 03:24.26 | nab | I am trying to figure out how to increase the 'pre-buffer before playback' for iSCSI/GPRS |
| 03:24.42 | SpeedEvil | you don't want to do that in pulseaudio |
| 03:24.56 | SpeedEvil | you want to do it in whatever is feeding the raw data |
| 03:25.02 | SpeedEvil | not after you decode it |
| 03:25.10 | nab | Hrrmmm |
| 03:25.49 | nab | Who is the maintainer of openmoko-mediaplaye..? |
| 03:26.12 | nab | I will drop them a note and cc openmoko-devel |
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| 03:26.28 | SpeedEvil | looks at abraxa. |
| 03:26.50 | SpeedEvil | picks abraxa_up, and drops him, to see if there is any response. |
| 03:27.24 | nab | double checks http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Media_Player |
| 03:27.34 | nab | Yep, nothing wrt a pre-buffer size |
| 03:27.57 | nab | I actually had this same problem with EZX devices |
| 03:28.10 | SpeedEvil | As I understand the code, on an indepth reveiw (lasting 20s) it throws the file to mplayer |
| 03:28.19 | nab | I suppose in the pre-openmoko mobile world, audio is only coming from flash |
| 03:28.20 | nab | :-) |
| 03:28.28 | nab | Ahh yes. |
| 03:28.35 | nab | mplayer has -cache I believe |
| 03:28.41 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 03:29.12 | SpeedEvil | ah no |
| 03:29.14 | SpeedEvil | gstreamer |
| 03:29.25 | nab | looks |
| 03:29.31 | raster | stoomer |
| 03:29.45 | SpeedEvil | line 287 playback.c |
| 03:29.53 | SpeedEvil | omp_playback_play() |
| 03:31.08 | raster | goo-stewer |
| 03:31.48 | SpeedEvil | Oh no! Rasters been driven mad by nasty graphics acceleration chips! |
| 03:31.59 | nab | SpeedEvil: Thanks |
| 03:32.05 | nab | :-) |
| 03:32.34 | raster | stews SpeedEvil's goo |
| 03:32.58 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.58 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.00 | nab | Hmmm |
| 03:33.32 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.32 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.33 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.36 | nab | There we go. ;-) |
| 03:33.45 | SpeedEvil | You don't care about that. |
| 03:33.50 | SpeedEvil | That's on the output side. |
| 03:33.57 | nab | Oh.. |
| 03:35.52 | raster | are u playing audio.video from a network stream? |
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| 03:36.13 | nab | raster: Its off a iSCSI/GPRS mounted R/O block device |
| 03:36.25 | raster | oooh |
| 03:36.33 | raster | ouch |
| 03:36.38 | liwei | why opkg so sllow,and often download failed |
| 03:36.43 | raster | last time i checked gprs gets u about 40kb in theory |
| 03:36.45 | raster | 20kbit in reality |
| 03:36.45 | nab | The mediaplayer works great coming off SD or iSCSI/Wifi, (so it assumes a few 100 Kb/sec bandwith) |
| 03:36.52 | nab | raster: Less than there I think |
| 03:36.56 | raster | and nasty-hairy-arse latency |
| 03:36.56 | nab | s/there/that |
| 03:37.06 | nab | raster: The mount is stable over iSCSI/GPRS however |
| 03:37.19 | SpeedEvil | raster: I was consistently gettig 5K/s+ over GPRS for a gig or so |
| 03:37.27 | nab | (I added some WAN tuning bits to the Openmoko/iSCSI builds btw) |
| 03:37.33 | raster | u must be playing-ultra-low-quality audio.... |
| 03:37.38 | liwei | i want to install python , and i opkg install python , but he couldn't download it |
| 03:37.41 | nab | raster: Some audio books |
| 03:37.45 | raster | SpeedEvil: 40kbit then :) |
| 03:37.52 | raster | SpeedEvil: thats the theory |
| 03:37.54 | nab | raster: But I have no problem to let it buffer up for 60 seconds to get the goods |
| 03:38.02 | raster | in my experience iw as lucky to go over 20kbit |
| 03:38.06 | nab | For the higher quality stuff. :-) |
| 03:38.12 | raster | tbut then it may have degraded due to reception and cell traffic |
| 03:38.22 | nab | And hopefully it will agreesively buffer the next track in the playlist too. :P |
| 03:38.31 | nab | lives in the bay area |
| 03:38.40 | nab | I am used to it |
| 03:38.41 | nab | :P |
| 03:39.24 | nab | notes that iSCSI connections (communication paths) can be brought up and down on the fly (doing from WiFi to GPRS and vice-versa) |
| 03:40.05 | nab | So the transition happens instantly from the users's perspective. |
| 03:40.38 | nab | But just waiting a single communication path's packets to get resent over the new link should work (with some small pauses) out of the box. |
| 03:40.38 | SpeedEvil | As can iFAT |
| 03:40.44 | nab | ACtually |
| 03:40.52 | nab | Using vfat really sucks for iSCSI/GPRS |
| 03:41.04 | nab | Espically if you want anything above a few 100 MB |
| 03:41.34 | nab | I remember when I once tried to make the GTA01 do iSCSI/USB-net connected to a 100 GB USB device formatted vfat |
| 03:41.49 | nab | We waited 20 minutes for a directory listing (eg: one really big one) |
| 03:41.51 | raster | if u cant sustain download speeds on average at least at the playback rate - it's pointless buffering inthe long run |
| 03:41.53 | raster | if u can |
| 03:42.00 | raster | then u just need to cover up the bad patches |
| 03:42.08 | nab | But ext3 works fine for that stuff |
| 03:42.11 | nab | raster: <nod> |
| 03:42.20 | raster | i assume thats your problem? |
| 03:42.31 | nab | I never said iSCSI/GPRS wrt audio playback was easy. :-) |
| 03:42.35 | raster | hehehe |
| 03:42.44 | nab | raster: Well, I can get a steady GPRS link here. |
| 03:42.51 | nab | And like I said, the I/O is stable, just slow |
| 03:42.52 | raster | imho the player should adjust buffering |
| 03:42.55 | SpeedEvil | NFS even might be better. |
| 03:43.00 | nab | raster: In a perfect world, yes |
| 03:43.05 | nab | SpeedEvil: Not even close. :-) |
| 03:43.12 | nab | NFS sucks over WAN |
| 03:43.12 | SpeedEvil | rsync to pull new tracks |
| 03:43.17 | raster | it should learn what buffering is needed based on examining the data flow |
| 03:43.43 | raster | so if it g4etts stuttry, up the buffer size so when u have spare bw it fills it up a bit |
| 03:44.06 | nab | wrt GPRS network access, using block level access is the only (somewhat) useable setup according to my tests |
| 03:44.17 | nab | raster: Makes sense |
| 03:45.02 | nab | raster: I just figure doing a 512k buffer upfront or something |
| 03:45.21 | nab | I am patient. :P |
| 03:45.42 | SpeedEvil | http streaming works just fine for me. |
| 03:46.40 | nab | SpeedEvil: Using openmoko-mediaplayer2..? |
| 03:46.58 | nab | I was trying to figure out how to access shoutcast stuff from Browser -> Media Player |
| 03:47.15 | nab | Ok, I will drop abraxa a line about the pree-bufferring bit |
| 03:47.31 | SpeedEvil | I dunno - I had tried mplayer url://whatever |
| 03:47.36 | SpeedEvil | and it sort-of-worked |
| 03:47.59 | nab | SpeedEvil: Gothca |
| 03:48.04 | nab | looks for abraxa's email |
| 03:48.38 | nab | Ok, I am going to get a cold beer (It was 92 here today) |
| 03:48.50 | nab | I guess one more walk w/o iSCSI/GPRS is acceptable |
| 03:48.51 | nab | :P |
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| 03:53.22 | raster | rememebr that for next time based on mountpoint |
| 03:53.22 | raster | or on network address |
| 04:09.23 | nab | is still looking for *** Signoff: kdean06 ("I am free, no matter what rules surround me. I am free because I know |
| 04:09.23 | nab | +that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do) |
| 04:09.23 | nab | *** mbuf (n=shakthim@61.16.248.242) has joined channel #openmoko |
| 04:09.29 | nab | Ugh |
| 04:09.33 | nab | That was supposed to be; |
| 04:09.50 | nab | is still looking for abraxa's email addy |
| 04:10.07 | SpeedEvil | use the source! |
| 04:10.09 | nab | Anyone know that offhand..? |
| 04:10.17 | nab | Doh |
| 04:10.18 | nab | :-) |
| 04:10.50 | nab | SpeedEvil: Thanks again |
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| 04:18.49 | Sup3rkiddo | morning all |
| 04:19.52 | summatusmentis | hi Sup3rkiddo |
| 04:20.02 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, y0 |
| 04:20.04 | summatusmentis | have you gotten your GSoC test machine yet? |
| 04:20.14 | Sup3rkiddo | nope...not yet... |
| 04:20.37 | summatusmentis | :-/ |
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| 04:37.36 | nab | SpeedEvil: Hey |
| 04:37.51 | nab | What is the quickest way to get mplayer on my device..? |
| 04:38.44 | nab | I would like to try with -cache 65536 (which I think the the defacto upper limiter for mplayer wrt pre-buffer |
| 04:38.58 | nab | And I can do some iSCSI/Wifi video playback too |
| 04:38.59 | nab | :-) |
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| 04:44.33 | Xecuter | hi! |
| 04:45.06 | nab | waves |
| 04:45.08 | nab | Greetings |
| 04:45.18 | Xecuter | what are the features the devs are working on right now? i read somewhere that its "Not suitable for end-users at release", what does this mean? |
| 04:45.56 | nab | I think they mean its not ready for grandma to use it for her daily phone. |
| 04:46.03 | nab | (at least not my grandma :-) |
| 04:46.25 | nab | But I can say that the basic bits seem to be quite stable now. |
| 04:46.35 | nab | meaning the userspace phone stuff |
| 04:46.37 | Xecuter | haha |
| 04:46.43 | Xecuter | yeah i'll manage |
| 04:46.56 | Xecuter | but i'm just wondering whats not done yet |
| 04:46.57 | nab | But I am not working on that personally, so I can't say for 100% |
| 04:47.05 | Xecuter | okey |
| 04:47.27 | nab | Xecuter: Feel free to ask in here and the folks with GTA02 hardware can tell you |
| 04:47.36 | Xecuter | the important thing at release is ringing at sms... the rest can come as they develop... |
| 04:47.45 | Xecuter | ok |
| 04:48.14 | nab | Also, you can look for specifics on the openmoko community list archive @ http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ |
| 04:48.32 | nab | openmoko-devel is a good spot for questions too |
| 04:49.07 | nab | Xecuter: Actually, wrt sms.. Did you search the wiki..? |
| 04:49.20 | Xecuter | no... should i? :P |
| 04:49.24 | nab | Of course |
| 04:49.30 | nab | :-) |
| 04:49.37 | Xecuter | hehe |
| 04:50.19 | nab | I do see one "Unknown Sender" sms on my GTA02 sample |
| 04:50.50 | nab | Michael Shiloh does testing before sending them out to devs.. |
| 04:50.53 | nab | :-) |
| 04:51.09 | nab | <whew> |
| 04:51.33 | nab | has had to work on sample hardware, that well, really did not work at all. |
| 04:51.33 | Xecuter | hehe |
| 04:51.50 | nab | Thankfully the GTA02 has been doing everything I have been wanting to do with it. |
| 04:51.53 | Xecuter | are you on the dev team? |
| 04:52.00 | Xecuter | or part of production? |
| 04:52.01 | nab | 3rd party developer |
| 04:52.06 | Xecuter | ok |
| 04:52.10 | nab | 3rd OSS devel. :-) |
| 04:52.11 | Xecuter | so like you and i? |
| 04:52.24 | nab | Mostly kernel stuff for now |
| 04:52.38 | Xecuter | what cool stuff can we see from nab? ^^ |
| 04:52.54 | nab | I have been doing a project for a number of years implementing the Internet Small Computer Interface for Linux v2.6 |
| 04:53.06 | nab | Both Initiator/Target (Client/Server) implementation |
| 04:53.23 | nab | The project is http://linux-iscsi.org |
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| 04:54.04 | nab | Actually, the main page needs to be updated for the Freerunner stuff |
| 04:54.09 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OpenMoko_Freerunner |
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| 04:54.12 | nab | for the v2.6.24 builds |
| 04:54.20 | Xecuter | cool |
| 04:54.25 | nab | There are also older Neo1973 builds, that I will be updating when I get my Neo back |
| 04:54.37 | nab | for v2.6.22.6 |
| 04:54.46 | nab | (for the kernel module) |
| 04:54.57 | nab | Also, the plan is to get OCFS2 up and running on the device |
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| 04:55.11 | nab | So that Nokia/Maemo hardware can share a cluster FS over iSCSI/WiFi |
| 04:55.21 | nab | (Along with your R/W mounted iSCSI LIO-VMs ;-) |
| 04:55.25 | Xecuter | i have noooo idea what you are talking about :P |
| 04:55.54 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OCFS2/iSCSI_for_OS-2008 |
| 04:55.54 | Xecuter | thats way to technical for me ^^ |
| 04:56.13 | nab | So, a cluster filesystem, or shared disk fileystem allows multiple computing nodes to access the same filesystem mount at the same time |
| 04:56.30 | nab | eg: If one node creates a directory and/or new files, the other nodes see this |
| 04:56.33 | Xecuter | aaah |
| 04:56.50 | nab | This type of tech is usually used in high-end database and mission criticial infrastructure |
| 04:56.58 | nab | eg: linux-iscsi.org/builds run on OCFS2 |
| 04:57.13 | nab | But scaling it down to mobile stuff is quite an interesting project |
| 04:57.50 | nab | Espically when you can OpenMoko+Maemo+Wifi+VM+iSCSI |
| 04:57.53 | nab | :-) |
| 04:57.58 | Xecuter | ^^ |
| 04:58.42 | nab | So when you get new mp3s, then can go on the cluster storage and can be accesed by all of the VM and Embedded nodes |
| 04:58.49 | nab | Or what-have you. |
| 04:59.06 | nab | I am currently working on accessing smaller FS mounts (sub 10 GB) over iSCSI/GPRS |
| 04:59.19 | nab | Which is up and running on the kernel side. |
| 04:59.47 | zash | wants afs | coda | nfs-ish with caching for offline |
| 05:00.05 | nab | Now the question is how do you get an userspace media player to understand you are running on a network-backed storage device that can only do single digit K/b sec for transfer rates |
| 05:00.05 | nab | :-) |
| 05:00.17 | nab | zash: :-) |
| 05:00.26 | nab | Offline ops are very nice, no question |
| 05:00.41 | nab | So what we need is a non-networked filesystem that runs over iSCSI that does offline ops. |
| 05:01.03 | nab | Mabye we can bribe some of the btrfs folks to include this feature for their alpha-devel |
| 05:01.04 | nab | :P |
| 05:01.26 | Xecuter | ^^ |
| 05:01.45 | nab | btrfs == next-generation Linux v2.6 filesystem out of Oracle |
| 05:02.00 | liwei | how to install finger-keyboard |
| 05:02.49 | liwei | i haven't any idea for 4 hours |
| 05:03.07 | nab | liwei: Ask on openmoko-devel |
| 05:03.13 | nab | Or the community list :-) |
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| 05:04.48 | liwei | thank you , i change channel |
| 05:05.02 | nab | liwei: I mean the mailing list |
| 05:05.03 | nab | :-) |
| 05:05.25 | nab | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ |
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| 05:35.05 | CVirus | it's 15 already |
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| 05:36.20 | nab | CVirus: I am sure the OM/FIC folks are busy. :P |
| 05:37.58 | nab | notes that making a call while listening to audio over iSCSI/Wifi with the OM Media Player works! |
| 05:38.55 | nab | Same with incoming calls |
| 05:39.06 | nab | Well, the incoming ones don't kill the media player audio |
| 05:39.33 | nab | wonders how iSCSI/GPRS would work for that |
| 05:40.20 | zash | don't think that will work |
| 05:40.47 | nab | zash: well, with the R/O mounts killing the TCP connection will work |
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| 05:41.06 | nab | And will re-connect when the GPRS link comes back online |
| 05:41.41 | nab | (Once gsmd and gprs can be used in parallel of course :-) |
| 05:41.56 | zash | if you are using gprs, how are you going to answer a call? |
| 05:42.09 | nab | nods |
| 05:42.17 | nab | I suppose you will have to ask Harald that one |
| 05:42.18 | nab | :P |
| 05:44.31 | zash | afaik gprs is like old times modem |
| 05:45.52 | nab | listens to voicemail with iSCSI/Wifi mp3s paused with OM MediaPlayer |
| 05:45.54 | nab | Cooooool |
| 05:46.03 | nab | zash: <nod> |
| 05:46.09 | nab | sub 10 Kb/sec |
| 05:46.15 | nab | data transfer rates |
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| 05:50.18 | zash | and 3g was proprietary? |
| 05:51.27 | nab | zash: TIA I would imagine |
| 05:51.55 | nab | TIA == Trade Industry Association standards |
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| 05:52.20 | nab | But if the use is large enough, that type of thing *usually* moves toward open standards |
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| 05:52.49 | nab | The usb-net 3g modems work under linux, sooo. :-) |
| 05:53.02 | nab | I don't know about the actual wire protocol |
| 05:53.18 | nab | er, radio wire protocol |
| 05:53.19 | nab | :P |
| 05:53.34 | zash | :D |
| 05:55.10 | nab | Wow, the GTA02 power management looks pretty solid |
| 05:55.26 | nab | With mp3 iSCSI/Wifi usage |
| 05:55.43 | nab | I suppose the power to drive the LCD is the biggest draw |
| 05:56.16 | nab | Doing playback of 128 kbit audio over 802.11 b/g is the current test-bed |
| 05:56.58 | CVirus | nab: you have a GTA02 in hand right now ? |
| 05:57.04 | nab | CVirus: yes |
| 05:57.09 | CVirus | lucky you |
| 05:57.26 | CVirus | I assume you're an OM dev ... right ? |
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| 05:57.42 | nab | CVirus: From my first few days with it, the OM devs have been spending alot of time on the OOB usage |
| 05:58.01 | nab | CVirus: well, linux-iscsi.org dev |
| 05:58.23 | nab | But with LIO code, you run into methods which the OM application code has not been used just yet. |
| 05:58.25 | nab | :-) |
| 05:58.36 | nab | That has historically been the case on other platforms as well |
| 05:59.11 | nab | Espically when we are talking about GPRS link speeds |
| 05:59.53 | CVirus | nab: how did you get your self a FreeRunner ? |
| 06:00.25 | nab | CVirus: Well, I think you need to be working on OSS projects that are going to be useful to the OM platform |
| 06:00.59 | nab | OM/iSCSI is going to be useful for devel/hackers and (hopefully) end-users |
| 06:01.02 | nab | :-) |
| 06:02.03 | nab | plans to bribe raster to make an OM/iSCSI+iSNS client UI |
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| 06:02.14 | nab | updates linux-iscsi.org .plan |
| 06:02.15 | nab | :-) |
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| 06:02.36 | nab | Actually, there is some working python+gtk core-iscsi code |
| 06:02.41 | nab | On the Maemo platform |
| 06:02.58 | raster | better have a lot of cash |
| 06:03.04 | raster | because i dont have any spare time :) |
| 06:03.05 | nab | goes to the ATM |
| 06:03.10 | nab | hehe |
| 06:03.15 | nab | Ok, mabye just some questions |
| 06:03.16 | nab | :-) |
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| 06:04.43 | nab | Or mabye one of the hunger-devels here in #openmoko would like to do some OM+E+iSCSI code |
| 06:04.43 | nab | :-) |
| 06:04.56 | nab | HUNGRY |
| 06:04.58 | nab | :-) |
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| 06:05.50 | nab | can provide active-active H/A + active/active iSCSI redundacy to OM devices |
| 06:05.51 | nab | :-) |
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| 06:07.05 | nab | Even on <gasp> non Linux based target platforms |
| 06:07.28 | nab | will not speak such heresy |
| 06:07.48 | nab | Oh, the power of x86/virtualization |
| 06:08.09 | nab | :-) |
| 06:09.16 | nab | Is there a method to change volume via OM-UI yet..? |
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| 06:13.32 | nab | continues to listen to on-battery iSCSI/Wifi |
| 06:13.53 | nab | Very solid power usage |
| 06:14.04 | nab | looks at /sys for exact usage |
| 06:14.57 | nab | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.09 | nab | Hmm, I don't see the output for the battery level applet |
| 06:15.22 | nab | Anyone know where that data is coming from..? |
| 06:15.55 | nab | finds /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat |
| 06:15.56 | nab | :-) |
| 06:16.41 | nab | Actually, I have the Power Manager stuff completely disabled via the UI |
| 06:16.43 | nab | WOW |
| 06:16.53 | nab | The screen is still going dim though |
| 06:17.18 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# cat time_to_empty_now |
| 06:17.19 | nab | 17400 |
| 06:17.41 | nab | What units are those again..? |
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| 06:20.44 | nab | yeah, the PM is supposed to be disabled, according to the UI accessable while pressing and holding the power-button |
| 06:20.58 | nab | I would consider that a feature and != bug |
| 06:21.01 | nab | :-) |
| 06:21.02 | zash | Volts? |
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| 06:21.24 | nab | has no clue |
| 06:22.00 | nab | wonders what the divisor is for Volate vs. Mins |
| 06:22.05 | nab | Volage too |
| 06:22.06 | nab | :-) |
| 06:22.14 | nab | ugh, VOLTAGE |
| 06:22.42 | zash | charge it to max, check value, let it drain until and see what min value is |
| 06:22.49 | nab | I must admit its pretty amazing to watch the hardware-devels to their thing |
| 06:23.11 | nab | zash: Or, we can look at the code |
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| 06:23.27 | zash | or that :D |
| 06:23.30 | nab | Actually, I wonder if anyone has put the OM tree into LXR just yet |
| 06:23.36 | nab | LXR == Linux Cross Reference |
| 06:23.55 | nab | Which makes groking C code much quicking than $EDITOR/grep |
| 06:24.01 | nab | s/quicking/quicker |
| 06:24.23 | nab | Espically one as large as OM userspace |
| 06:24.42 | nab | http://lxr.linux.no/ |
| 06:24.49 | nab | If any openmoko.org devels are around |
| 06:24.50 | nab | ACtually |
| 06:24.57 | nab | I should send that to openmoko-community |
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| 06:28.53 | nab | sends |
| 06:33.08 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# cat time_to_empty_now |
| 06:33.08 | nab | 11280 |
| 06:33.08 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# date |
| 06:33.08 | nab | Sat Apr 26 18:02:04 UTC 2008 |
| 06:33.08 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# cat time_to_empty_now |
| 06:33.09 | nab | 10560 |
| 06:33.11 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# date |
| 06:33.13 | nab | Sat Apr 26 18:02:35 UTC 2008 |
| 06:33.40 | nab | So 720 decrease in ~30 seconds |
| 06:33.50 | nab | or 24 |
| 06:34.15 | patoh | shit |
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| 06:34.22 | patoh | that is shocking |
| 06:34.37 | nab | The battery applet still shows 90% usage |
| 06:34.48 | nab | And I have been listening to 128 kbit iSCSI/Wifi audio for 45 mins..? |
| 06:34.48 | patoh | I am assuming its slow on the uptake |
| 06:34.57 | patoh | =/ |
| 06:34.58 | nab | Actually, closer to 60 mins |
| 06:35.25 | zash | write a script that takes the value at regular intervals and generate a nice graph :D |
| 06:35.30 | nab | patoh: Well, add a second or two for human CLI interaction |
| 06:35.32 | nab | :-) |
| 06:36.10 | nab | Actually, the applet just went to ~80% |
| 06:36.29 | nab | That is seriously good. |
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| 06:36.52 | nab | With the LCD dim, you can listen to Wifi network audio for 4x hours! |
| 06:36.55 | patoh | so it can last for around 10 hours of audio playing |
| 06:36.59 | patoh | ok, I was way off :P |
| 06:37.08 | nab | I wonder how that would work with iSCSI/GPRS |
| 06:37.09 | patoh | wonder what its like with the wifi off |
| 06:37.15 | nab | <nod> |
| 06:37.28 | patoh | wait, with wifi, got a gta02? |
| 06:37.31 | nab | Actually 4+ hours |
| 06:37.45 | nab | :-) |
| 06:37.49 | nab | nods |
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| 06:38.00 | nab | It has been working very well |
| 06:38.17 | patoh | nice, suspend? |
| 06:38.18 | nab | I still don't know if its a GTA02v5 or GTA02v6 |
| 06:38.40 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# cat /proc/cpuinfo | tail -n 3 |
| 06:38.40 | nab | Hardware: GTA02 |
| 06:38.40 | nab | Revision: 0350 |
| 06:38.40 | nab | Serial: 0000000000000000 |
| 06:38.51 | nab | patoh: I believe so, yes. |
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| 06:39.09 | faern | nab: how long standby time does it have? |
| 06:39.12 | nab | And after the battery is drained, just plugging it into USB makes it reboot and go |
| 06:39.24 | nab | faern: Not sure |
| 06:39.37 | nab | Hopefully that can be estimated in the UI soon. :-) |
| 06:39.51 | faern | yes :P |
| 06:40.12 | faern | the battery life is my only concern about the neo |
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| 06:40.27 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Features |
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| 06:40.51 | zash | "Battery life (Approximation/Ideal Target) Standby time 150-200 Hrs (GSM) Talk time (Backlight off) Up to 3-4 hrs(GSM)" |
| 06:41.09 | nab | Sounds good |
| 06:41.10 | nab | :-) |
| 06:41.19 | nab | That sounds similar to my N800 |
| 06:41.19 | faern | yes. that is ok |
| 06:41.23 | patoh | not much talk time :( |
| 06:41.33 | patoh | my 6300 can do about 8 hours |
| 06:41.39 | patoh | than again it has a white screen of death too ;) |
| 06:42.15 | faern | :P |
| 06:42.30 | nab | waits for N810 Wimax Ed. |
| 06:42.45 | faern | but it says "Ideal time" so I'm worried the powersaving is not too good implemented yet |
| 06:42.49 | nab | Hopefully we can get some OM-WiMax goodness by GTA05 |
| 06:42.58 | nab | Or via USB or BT |
| 06:43.07 | nab | But I figure that BT would be too slow for Mobile Wimax |
| 06:43.16 | nab | At least in the current incarnations. |
| 06:43.31 | nab | Well |
| 06:43.37 | nab | That would still faster than GPRS |
| 06:43.37 | nab | :-) |
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| 06:46.24 | patoh | so gta03 is been skipped? |
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| 06:46.37 | nab | patoh: GTA03 is the GPS device |
| 06:46.42 | nab | The Dash |
| 06:47.52 | nab | GPS+WIFI device |
| 06:48.33 | zash | no, but there is a pic of the gta02 here: http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 ;) |
| 06:48.58 | zash | i said gta03 |
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| 06:54.27 | patoh | heh, cool |
| 06:56.21 | nab | At ~75% usage with 128 kbit iSCSI/Wifi |
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| 06:57.27 | mmontour | nab: have you tested your GTA02 with a voice call to another person? If so, any comments on the audio quality? |
| 06:57.51 | nab | mmontour: I pinged voicemail this evening |
| 06:58.07 | nab | (The dialer just called it for me) |
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| 06:58.24 | nab | through the headset, and it sounds OK to non-audio engineer ears |
| 06:58.29 | mmontour | The real test is a live conversation with someone. On my GTA01 the other person hears an annoying echo of their voice |
| 06:58.45 | nab | never tried that on his GTA01 |
| 06:58.51 | nab | I could never get iSCSI/GPRS working. :P |
| 06:58.56 | nab | (with the old device :-) |
| 06:59.16 | nab | I am guessing the GSM firemware updates will solve this |
| 06:59.46 | nab | And hopefully soon we will get the iSCSI/GPRS case working for all of the OM devices (including the DASH) |
| 06:59.47 | nab | :-) |
| 07:00.03 | mmontour | Last I heard there will be no GSM firmware updates in the field (although the mass production ones may have newer FW than the development samples) |
| 07:00.09 | nab | well, DASH for 802.11 b/g access |
| 07:00.23 | nab | mmontour: <nod> I sent mine to Michael Shiloh |
| 07:00.46 | nab | He is handling the OM devel relations in the US |
| 07:00.47 | mmontour | I'm not personally interested in GPRS - Canadian data rates are stupidly expensive (starting at $50/MB) |
| 07:01.00 | nab | (and all over from what I can tell :-) |
| 07:01.06 | nab | Ugh, that sucks |
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| 07:01.24 | nab | Yeah, us US folks in/near big cities are pretty lucky |
| 07:01.33 | lekernel | hi |
| 07:01.52 | patoh | I am interested in GSM for phone calls and messages, can use wifi when I need net :) |
| 07:01.53 | nab | I think the Mobile Wimax + Ebay Mobile-WiMax attenne is the way to go |
| 07:02.02 | patoh | our GRPS rates are worse than mmontour's :( |
| 07:02.04 | nab | (for the 2010 stuff) |
| 07:02.21 | patoh | nab: is the gta04 the suposed 3g device? |
| 07:02.29 | nab | GSM is nice now because of the obvious bit of the GSM carriers being seperated from the handset providers |
| 07:02.37 | nab | patoh: I believe that is the current talk on openmoko-kernel |
| 07:02.46 | patoh | cool, I suspected so :) |
| 07:03.08 | nab | I know there is significant Mobile-WiMax investment in Taiwan |
| 07:03.31 | patoh | wonders what syncing on linux will be like with openmoko |
| 07:03.35 | patoh | devices |
| 07:03.41 | nab | I wonder if going native GTA04+Mobile-Mimax with BT 3-G would be viable |
| 07:04.04 | nab | Going with Intel silicon would be the obvious choice (which is what Nokia is using) |
| 07:04.12 | nab | On their Baxter Peak mobile platform |
| 07:04.46 | nab | We shall see how Xohn does this summer with their US launch |
| 07:04.49 | nab | Xohm |
| 07:05.39 | nab | Getting 1-2 Mbit (125 - 250 Kb/sec) for typical case is pretty convincing for Mobile-WiMax |
| 07:05.52 | nab | With 5-10 mile cell tower access |
| 07:06.21 | nab | Not to mention that w/ Xohm you can purchase Mobile-Wimax packets by the day/week/month |
| 07:06.37 | nab | (or so says the current new items) |
| 07:08.06 | nab | s/new/news |
| 07:08.07 | nab | :-) |
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| 07:08.40 | patoh | is the dash software (client and server side) going to be opensource? |
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| 07:10.27 | nab | patoh: Have a look at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017205.html |
| 07:11.59 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# date |
| 07:11.59 | nab | Sat Apr 26 18:41:23 UTC 2008 |
| 07:11.59 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# cat time_to_empty_now |
| 07:11.59 | nab | 9960 |
| 07:12.22 | nab | Still at ~75% according to the battery appllet |
| 07:12.26 | nab | applet |
| 07:13.37 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:13.43 | nab | waves |
| 07:13.53 | nab | Goodmorning (GST) Hopscotch! |
| 07:14.14 | Hopscotch | :) |
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| 07:33.01 | nab | notes the battery applet says ~50% |
| 07:33.18 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# cat time_to_empty_now |
| 07:33.18 | nab | 8640 |
| 07:33.18 | nab | root@om-gta02:/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat# date |
| 07:33.18 | nab | Sat Apr 26 19:02:42 UTC 2008 |
| 07:33.32 | nab | Actually, just jumped back to ~75% |
| 07:33.33 | nab | :-) |
| 07:33.53 | nab | (from eyeballing the UI :-) |
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| 07:38.51 | nab | > tanuk: I am using an audio book @ 128 kbit |
| 07:38.51 | nab | > And am patient to wait 30-60 seconds for playback |
| 07:38.51 | nab | > :-) |
| 07:38.51 | nab | > (At least over GPRS) |
| 07:38.51 | nab | <tanuk> If the link speed is < 10 kB/s, you'll spend maybe about two minutes buffering for |
| 07:38.52 | nab | +every minute of playback. |
| 07:38.57 | nab | hrrrmmms |
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| 07:51.30 | josch|nsn | okay as i understood all the time i'm into this project, openmoko is about an OPEN platform [tm] - so why the hell is there NO official word on what GTA stands for??? (and no, it's not grand theft auto...) |
| 07:52.42 | holycow | who cares |
| 07:52.47 | holycow | everyone will call it a moko anyway |
| 07:52.51 | josch|nsn | haha |
| 07:53.08 | josch|nsn | it's just a mystery i /finally/ want to have solved |
| 07:53.18 | josch|nsn | only three words!! plz! |
| 07:53.46 | holycow | i'm putting 20 on 'getting terrible acne' |
| 07:55.23 | balrog-kun | what's that program called Dinge? |
| 07:55.56 | josch|nsn | balrog-kun: have a look here: http://neo1973-germany.de/ |
| 07:56.09 | josch|nsn | balrog-kun: it's an alternative experimental gui |
| 07:56.18 | josch|nsn | based on python, efl and dbus |
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| 07:57.31 | balrog-kun | josch|nsn: thaniks for the link |
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| 07:58.46 | josch|nsn | balrog-kun: anyway you only distract from the GTA question to be answered - maybe this happened everytime one tried to solve this :P |
| 07:59.42 | josch|nsn | XY: hey what does gta stand for?, ZZ: hey XY have a look here!, XY: wow great! *walks away distracted* |
| 08:01.01 | josch|nsn | balrog-kun: if you have any questions you may join #neo1973-germany or ask emdete directly |
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| 08:02.03 | rwhitby | Generic Telephone Appliance |
| 08:02.11 | josch|nsn | rwhitby: for real? |
| 08:02.19 | rwhitby | (the chinese design that it started from) |
| 08:02.59 | josch|nsn | rwhitby: wow - is this true? can i add this to the wiki? |
| 08:03.08 | balrog-kun | josch|nsn: it's to save your time, as i know we'll never figure out the GTA |
| 08:03.10 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 08:03.42 | josch|nsn | balrog-kun: watch what rwhitby has to reveal! |
| 08:03.47 | rwhitby | josch|nsn: sure, you can add it to the wiki |
| 08:03.53 | josch|nsn | oh nice! |
| 08:04.17 | rwhitby | (it'll be as accurate as most other stuff in wikis ...) |
| 08:04.32 | josch|nsn | hahaha |
| 08:04.53 | josch|nsn | you know that i will cite you? :P |
| 08:05.02 | rwhitby | works for me |
| 08:05.26 | rwhitby | unless someone gives you an official answer, my definition will be authoritative |
| 08:05.27 | ScaredyCat | gneh! |
| 08:05.38 | ScaredyCat | anyone build pulseaudio recently |
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| 08:05.57 | rwhitby | and if someone gives you an official answer, then you'll have your answer. so put it in the wiki and wait for someone to correct it ... |
| 08:06.36 | josch|nsn | rwhitby: i think you are authoritive enough that one may believe your word ^^ |
| 08:06.38 | rwhitby | Actually, I think it was "GNU Telephony Appliance" |
| 08:06.46 | josch|nsn | lol rly`? |
| 08:07.01 | rwhitby | heck, put em both in the wiki ... |
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| 08:07.44 | ScaredyCat | Google Takes All |
| 08:08.03 | rwhitby | Gates Telephone Anti |
| 08:08.16 | ScaredyCat | Giant Toad Arse |
| 08:08.34 | ScaredyCat | Go Try Again |
| 08:08.54 | mmontour | "GSM Telephone (Allegedly)" |
| 08:09.18 | ScaredyCat | [G]I [T]hate [A]mtn |
| 08:09.18 | nab | Grand Telephony Alliance |
| 08:09.27 | nab | s/Grand/Great |
| 08:09.28 | josch|nsn | there we are again... |
| 08:09.59 | mmontour | is still waiting to hear from a GTA02 owner who has used it to talk to another real person, and who can comment on the audio quality |
| 08:10.11 | ScaredyCat | | /builder/newBuild/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libavahi-common.so: undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail@LIBSSP_1.0' |
| 08:10.15 | ScaredyCat | dagnabit |
| 08:11.25 | gambler | sure hope GTA02 is faster than the slowwwwwwwwwwwwww GTA01 video i saw on scaredycats website |
| 08:11.44 | nab | is up for doing some video playback over iSCSI/Wifi |
| 08:12.12 | ScaredyCat | I thought libssp wasn't being built |
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| 08:12.16 | nab | Where can I find a video player .ipk and what resolution do I need..? |
| 08:12.37 | nab | I have been using 320x240 .avi for Nokia/Maemo hardware with iSCSI/WifI |
| 08:13.45 | nab | Anyone..? |
| 08:14.32 | nab | The iSCSI/WiFi traffic is ~500 KB/sec |
| 08:14.44 | nab | (to a mounted filesystem) |
| 08:15.57 | nab | I assume I am looking for mplayer |
| 08:16.18 | nab | Considering openmoko-mediaplayer2 calls mplayer for video decoding. :-) |
| 08:16.35 | nab | searches for a mplayer .ipk |
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| 08:19.46 | josch|nsn | nab ipkg install mplayer should suffice |
| 08:20.30 | josch|nsn | nab: i wrote my experiences and some mencoder lines in this wiki article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player |
| 08:21.59 | patoh | josch|nsn: I assume h264 is out of the question? |
| 08:22.24 | josch|nsn | patoh: mpeg4 video is played just fine in qvga |
| 08:22.46 | patoh | josch|nsn: but mpeg4 usually uses dvix/xvid to encode does it not? |
| 08:22.48 | nab | josch|nsn: Great, thank you!! |
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| 08:23.15 | josch|nsn | patoh: you can use divx/xvid, yes |
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| 08:23.38 | patoh | josch|nsn: so MPEG4 part 2 works? |
| 08:23.43 | nab | 400kbps mpeg4 works on a 200Mhz neo (without sound) on prerotated 240*320 ffmpeg codec videos, at 25fps, using stock mplayer. |
| 08:23.52 | josch|nsn | patoh: yepp in qvga |
| 08:24.03 | patoh | cool, wonder how well part 10 will work iwth qvga :) |
| 08:24.20 | josch|nsn | patoh: the mpeg4 decoder is really amr optimized in mplayer - thats the reason it works so well |
| 08:24.24 | nab | find some 320x240 .avi to copy onto iSCSI/WiFI |
| 08:24.26 | patoh | :) |
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| 08:25.37 | nab | notes its pretty cool to be able to do opkg install <pkgname> from a device in your pocket |
| 08:25.54 | josch|nsn | patoh: you get the optimal results with the mencoder lines i noted in the wiki |
| 08:26.31 | josch|nsn | nab: /me uses debian on his neo and thinks being able to do apt-get install is even cooler |
| 08:26.50 | nab | josch|nsn: I was using some win32 encoder going from DVD -> .avi that gave me the best results on the Nokia 770 with iSCSI/WiFi video playback |
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| 08:27.21 | nab | Something that someone in my old team recommended. |
| 08:27.29 | nab | I will have to look into mencoder though. |
| 08:27.30 | nab | :-) |
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| 08:31.22 | ScaredyCat | Cap_J_L_Picard: ping |
| 08:31.57 | josch|nsn | nab: srsly.... use mencoder or ffmpeg directly - far better than those M$ crap |
| 08:32.20 | patoh | mencoder seems to be one of the best video encoders out there |
| 08:32.28 | josch|nsn | seconded |
| 08:32.32 | patoh | does not have the best set of filters but :( |
| 08:32.43 | patoh | avisync for windows has some great filters floating around on the internet |
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| 08:32.54 | josch|nsn | patoh: what filters do you need? |
| 08:33.09 | nab | josch|nsn: Nod |
| 08:33.17 | josch|nsn | ?? |
| 08:33.20 | nab | It was what one of my guys in my old team recommended |
| 08:33.24 | cekay | hey guys, does anyone have the alsactl state files for the gta02 hardware? |
| 08:33.29 | nab | (A win32 guy, but a good guy :-) |
| 08:33.39 | nab | just runs on non Linux stuff in a VM |
| 08:33.45 | nab | s/on/all |
| 08:33.56 | nab | But anyways. |
| 08:33.59 | nab | copies videos |
| 08:34.08 | josch|nsn | nab: whats nod? |
| 08:34.14 | josch|nsn | ah |
| 08:34.18 | josch|nsn | nod |
| 08:34.21 | josch|nsn | ^^ |
| 08:34.39 | josch|nsn | thought it was an abbr. of some kind XD |
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| 08:35.04 | nab | :-) |
| 08:35.27 | josch|nsn | then /me thought about the gdi/nod thingy o0 |
| 08:35.28 | patoh | josch|nsn: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=108681 |
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| 08:36.19 | nab | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 181677540 2008-05-15 01:36 draw_the_line.avi |
| 08:36.19 | nab | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 211409090 2008-05-15 01:36 more.avi |
| 08:36.19 | nab | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 406894458 2008-05-15 01:34 wakinglife.avi |
| 08:36.19 | nab | [root@ps3-cell mnt]# file *.avi |
| 08:36.19 | nab | draw_the_line.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 352 x 208, ~15 fps, video: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) |
| 08:36.21 | nab | more.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 352 x 208, ~15 fps, video: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) |
| 08:36.24 | nab | wakinglife.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 352 x 208, ~15 fps, video: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) |
| 08:36.28 | nab | josch|nsn: Hrmmm |
| 08:36.42 | nab | Yeah, I encoded these following the requirement's for maemo's media player |
| 08:36.57 | josch|nsn | patoh: -> The binary... <= HAHAHAHA |
| 08:37.08 | josch|nsn | patoh: the source is missing it seems :P |
| 08:37.37 | patoh | josch|nsn: go a few posts down |
| 08:37.42 | patoh | there is a improved version of it with source |
| 08:37.51 | patoh | someone pm'd him for it and released it under his permission |
| 08:37.53 | nab | Ugh |
| 08:38.00 | nab | mplayer is doing remote X11 for me |
| 08:38.01 | nab | :-) |
| 08:38.10 | nab | relogs-in without ssh -X |
| 08:38.38 | nab | er, unless there is another method to output to glamo when running X apps remotely..? |
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| 08:39.11 | nab | There we go. :-) |
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| 08:39.34 | nab | Ok, the video decoding is definately off with my encode |
| 08:39.36 | nab | And no audio |
| 08:39.37 | josch|nsn | patoh: the source file is not available anymre - so fail |
| 08:39.50 | nab | josch|nsn: Can you post a vid for me to test with..? |
| 08:39.53 | nab | with mplayer..? |
| 08:40.08 | josch|nsn | nab: sure i have one uploaded already |
| 08:40.14 | patoh | josch|nsn: funny, it was there the other day |
| 08:40.36 | nab | So, I am actually getting video playback with one of mine over iSCSI/WiFi, it just looks like the player is having trouble reading the encode |
| 08:40.47 | nab | josch|nsn: Excellent, URL..? |
| 08:41.15 | patoh | josch|nsn: http://kosmos.kawaii-shoujo.net/gradfun2db/gradfun2db-v1.0.zip :) |
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| 08:42.00 | nab | I will save it over r/w EXT3 on iSCSI/WiFI |
| 08:42.02 | nab | :-) |
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| 08:42.05 | patoh | its gpl'd |
| 08:42.25 | josch|nsn | patoh: oh and it's gpl'ed - i'm impressed |
| 08:42.42 | nab | josch|nsn: What was that link..? |
| 08:42.47 | patoh | josch|nsn: yeah, would take a bit of porting to mplayer, its done in cpp, but the asm part looks _ok_ |
| 08:42.52 | josch|nsn | nab: just searched for it but its not there anymore :-( |
| 08:43.08 | nab | You got a HTTP server handy..? |
| 08:43.16 | nab | You can just email it to me too |
| 08:43.26 | nab | nab <AT> linux-iscsi.org |
| 08:43.37 | nab | (thanks) |
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| 08:43.46 | josch|nsn | nab: i'm at work atm (windows pc) and as far as i see it's not on one of my servers anymore |
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| 08:44.10 | nab | josch|nsn: What would you recommend for me to encode my own..? |
| 08:44.24 | nab | I am using Debian/Lenny i386 |
| 08:44.32 | josch|nsn | you can encode /everything/ because mplayer eats everything |
| 08:44.40 | josch|nsn | nab: maybe just load a video from youtube |
| 08:44.47 | nab | .flv..? |
| 08:44.49 | nab | Ok |
| 08:44.58 | nab | downloads |
| 08:45.00 | nab | :-) |
| 08:45.01 | josch|nsn | at least ffmpeg works well for flv |
| 08:45.44 | nab | runs youtube-dl |
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| 08:45.53 | josch|nsn | yeah youtube-dl ftw |
| 08:48.49 | josch|nsn | flv is simply a container format with h263 video and mp3 audio in it so it should be no problem for mplayer but as i said i onl use ffmpeg and vlc for flv |
| 08:49.04 | nab | Hmm, video output is still off (but playing) and no sound |
| 08:49.13 | nab | What should I be using for -vo ..? |
| 08:49.38 | nab | root@om-gta02:/media/sda# mplayer Coconut_Records-West_Coast.flv |
| 08:49.38 | nab | MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.1.2 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team |
| 08:49.38 | nab | CPU: ARM |
| 08:49.38 | nab | Playing Coconut_Records-West_Coast.flv. |
| 08:49.38 | nab | libavformat file format detected. |
| 08:49.38 | nab | [lavf] Video stream found, -vid 0 |
| 08:49.40 | nab | [lavf] Audio stream found, -aid 1 |
| 08:49.42 | nab | VIDEO: [FLV1] 320x240 0bpp 29.917 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) |
| 08:49.44 | nab | vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! |
| 08:49.46 | nab | vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! |
| 08:49.48 | nab | VO XOverlay need a subdriver |
| 08:49.50 | nab | vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! |
| 08:49.52 | nab | [VO_SDL] Using driver: fbcon. |
| 08:49.54 | nab | vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! |
| 08:50.12 | nab | It looks like its picking up -vo sdl |
| 08:50.19 | josch|nsn | nab: use nopaste plz |
| 08:50.39 | nab | (sorry :-) |
| 08:51.18 | nab | trys switching to landscape mode |
| 08:51.25 | josch|nsn | try -vo help to get a list of available modules |
| 08:51.53 | nab | mplayer <file.flv> video output looks the same. |
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| 08:53.12 | nab | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 08:53.13 | nab | Hrrmm |
| 08:53.19 | josch|nsn | nab: try fbdev or similar |
| 08:53.21 | nab | I thought I closed openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 08:53.43 | josch|nsn | you can find out what uses sdp by doing lsof | grep dsp |
| 08:53.59 | nab | josch|nsn: Ok, its going. :-) |
| 08:54.05 | josch|nsn | nice |
| 08:54.12 | nab | In a small section of the LCD. :-) |
| 08:54.18 | josch|nsn | yepp |
| 08:54.24 | josch|nsn | you have to enable scaling |
| 08:54.31 | josch|nsn | and rotation |
| 08:54.33 | josch|nsn | OR |
| 08:54.34 | nab | now looks at which mediaplayer process is holding /dev/dsp |
| 08:54.38 | josch|nsn | you switch to qvga first |
| 08:54.57 | josch|nsn | it's all explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player |
| 08:55.20 | nab | josch|nsn: Thanks I will take another look |
| 08:55.24 | nab | :-) |
| 08:55.54 | josch|nsn | nab: if i explained something now that is NOT in the wiki feel free to add it |
| 08:58.05 | nab | josch|nsn: <nod> |
| 08:58.09 | nab | :-) |
| 08:58.14 | josch|nsn | hehe |
| 08:58.23 | josch|nsn | nab: <gdi> |
| 09:03.37 | nab | josch|nsn: The other encodes are working with -vo fbdev just fine btw |
| 09:05.51 | josch|nsn | nab: you can set fbdev as the standard output module in mplayer config in your home directory |
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| 09:15.33 | nab | OK, after stopping pulseaudio audio is working |
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| 09:17.28 | josch|nsn | hehe |
| 09:18.50 | nab | htts://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/Image:ISCSI-WiFI-Mplayer-Freerunner.png |
| 09:18.59 | nab | er |
| 09:19.15 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/Image:ISCSI-WiFI-Mplayer-Freerunner.png |
| 09:19.16 | nab | :-) |
| 09:19.39 | nab | reads how to go fullscreen |
| 09:22.44 | nab | FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo). |
| 09:22.46 | nab | Hmm |
| 09:23.01 | nab | Using the 'autosync 30 -vf scale -zoom -xy 640 -vf rotate=1' |
| 09:23.10 | nab | as additional mplayer parameters |
| 09:23.25 | nab | Do I have to switch the device to landscape w/ rotate=1..? |
| 09:25.10 | nab | Ok, mplayer -sws 0 -nodouble -vo fbdev -fs -framedrop file.flv -vf rotate=1 is going.. |
| 09:25.16 | nab | Still the small video res |
| 09:25.53 | nab | trys with 320x240 avi |
| 09:27.31 | nab | Hmmm, still the small decode (but properly in full screen :-) |
| 09:27.44 | nab | I suppose that is some additional parameter for -vo fbdev |
| 09:27.58 | nab | Time to get sdl installed too |
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| 09:29.05 | nab | mplayer playback with audio for the iSCSI/WiFI .avi decode sounds really good |
| 09:29.11 | nab | Espically through headphones |
| 09:29.12 | nab | :-) |
| 09:33.58 | nab | lets the .avi decode play before trying mplayer audio playback over iSCSI/GPRS |
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| 09:44.50 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/Image:ISCSI-WiFI-FBdev-Landscape.png |
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| 09:46.45 | nab | starts charging the Freerunner sample on a PS3 |
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| 09:50.29 | kario | what is the point with iSCSI/GPRS? |
| 09:50.47 | nab | kario: The LIO-devs want to be able to go snowboarding and listen to audio books |
| 09:50.50 | nab | On the mountain |
| 09:51.22 | nab | And not have to wait until 2010 for Mobile-Wmiax |
| 09:51.23 | nab | :-) |
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| 09:55.49 | nab | Ok, 30 minutes into .avi player is stable over iSCSI/WiFI |
| 09:56.38 | kario | point taken |
| 09:57.02 | nab | or skiing if that is your thing. |
| 09:57.03 | nab | :-) |
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| 10:23.03 | broedge | hm just black screen and some icons bt and wlan o the top... light is on? sems i installed some WM too much... but r moving e-wm didt work. |
| 10:24.59 | nab | waves |
| 10:25.16 | nab | abraxa__: You about..? |
| 10:25.20 | abraxa__ | nab: I got disconnected earlier, unfortunately |
| 10:25.27 | abraxa__ | Did you get my comments? |
| 10:25.27 | nab | greetings |
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| 10:25.33 | nab | I did not |
| 10:25.38 | abraxa__ | Oh |
| 10:25.46 | abraxa__ | <abraxa__> nab: Got your message, I'll reply in a little |
| 10:25.46 | abraxa__ | <abraxa__> If you want to read ahead, check out http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-plugins/html/gst-plugins-base-plugins-playbin.html under "Buffering" |
| 10:25.46 | abraxa__ | <abraxa__> Currently I play asap and disregard the buffer messages, so that would have to change |
| 10:25.50 | nab | Did you reply to the list..? |
| 10:26.05 | nab | reads |
| 10:26.08 | nab | Excellent. :-) |
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| 10:27.25 | abraxa__ | Actually that's pretty much all of the response, I suppose |
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| 10:27.56 | abraxa__ | Do you want to have a try implementing the change or would you prefer if I do it? |
| 10:28.05 | ScaredyCat | !!! |
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| 10:28.12 | nab | I was just moving some more iSCSI/WiFI packets with mplayer |
| 10:28.14 | ScaredyCat | what, you mean.... supporting code! |
| 10:28.18 | nab | abraxa__: That would be great! |
| 10:28.46 | nab | can re-enable his iSCSI/GPRS to test any new changes |
| 10:28.47 | nab | :-) |
| 10:28.55 | abraxa__ | nab: Alrighty, I'll have a look in a bit then |
| 10:29.07 | nab | abraxa__: Great, thank you!! |
| 10:30.20 | abraxa__ | ScaredyCat: It's not about "supporting code", it's asking whether he wants to come up with a patch himself or not - of course I'll help if requested |
| 10:30.47 | ScaredyCat | [2008-05-15 11:27:50] <abraxa__> Do you want to have a try implementing the change or would you prefer if I do it? |
| 10:31.50 | nab | abraxa__: Btw, I was missing the pixmaps for the media-player buttons after grabbing via opkg install |
| 10:31.59 | nab | What package am I missing...? |
| 10:32.12 | abraxa__ | ScaredyCat: Maybe you interpretate it differently than I am? *scratches his head* |
| 10:32.23 | nab | (It looks like it is missing a dep :-) |
| 10:32.48 | nab | (I did this from a fresh ASU install on Freerunner hardware |
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| 10:33.06 | ScaredyCat | that suggests 'he' could write the code or you would do it form 'him' |
| 10:33.07 | abraxa__ | nab: It should be in the openmoko theme package, however the theme has been changed by thos rather recently, so maybe he omitted the media player pixmaps as they don't match that style |
| 10:33.17 | ScaredyCat | s/form/for/ |
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| 10:33.22 | nab | root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/issue | tail -n 2 |
| 10:33.22 | nab | Openmoko P1-Snapshot-20080418 \n \l |
| 10:33.37 | nab | And opkg install openmoko-mediaplayer2 is what I used IIRC |
| 10:34.13 | nab | abraxa__: <nod> |
| 10:34.19 | abraxa__ | ScaredyCat: Hmm, honestly I fail to see what you're trying to say :) |
| 10:34.28 | nab | remembers the button layout |
| 10:34.29 | nab | :-) |
| 10:34.35 | abraxa__ | hehe |
| 10:34.44 | nab | That reminds me |
| 10:34.54 | nab | I have an .nfo and .jpg in my audio book directory |
| 10:35.11 | ScaredyCat | abraxa__: nm - it's not life threatening |
| 10:35.22 | nab | And after queueing up the directory to the media player, I will get gstreamer errors when the playback hits that non audio file |
| 10:35.41 | nab | Could you add some logic to keep going by default for tracklist playback..? |
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| 10:35.44 | abraxa__ | ScaredyCat: I just wanna make sure you don't get the idea that I wouldn't support my own software ;) |
| 10:35.48 | nab | (When you get a bit :-) |
| 10:36.20 | nab | will probably just shutup and start spending patches |
| 10:36.23 | nab | :P |
| 10:36.47 | nab | Or mabye, on the discan, o-mit the non media files |
| 10:36.56 | nab | s/discan/dirscan |
| 10:37.16 | nab | It would be cool to start up quiver to display the image files for the covers |
| 10:37.38 | abraxa__ | nab: Well, that's a feature I always wanted to add (i.e. file-type detection based on available gst plugins) but with the downfall of the GTK application suite that's rather unlikely to happen, I'm afraid |
| 10:37.39 | nab | When a image file was detected in the tracklist |
| 10:37.40 | nab | :-) |
| 10:37.50 | nab | abraxa__: Ahh, gotcha |
| 10:38.27 | nab | abraxa__: What have you been considering for your new work..? |
| 10:38.49 | abraxa__ | My goal is to re-write the media player using python after my PIM daemon fulfills the immediate needs |
| 10:39.00 | nab | Very interesting |
| 10:39.29 | nab | There where some LIO-devs working on python-gtk stuff on Maemo for iSCSI-Client-UI |
| 10:39.42 | abraxa__ | One of the motivations is that people can then edit the application on the device with a text editor, not needing the SDK and an external PC |
| 10:39.47 | nab | They have been waiting to see how OM stuff is working.. |
| 10:39.54 | nab | (very good :-) |
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| 10:40.04 | nab | abraxa__: Makes sense |
| 10:40.13 | abraxa__ | I thought so, too :) |
| 10:40.29 | abraxa__ | And what does LIO stand for? |
| 10:40.30 | rschuster | hi. how can I enforce that the virtual keyboard will be shown? (eg. starting a program or such) |
| 10:40.40 | nab | LIO == Linux-iSCSI.org |
| 10:40.46 | abraxa__ | Ahh, thanks |
| 10:41.06 | nab | LIO-Target is the upstream project that the OpenMOko/iSCSI stuff (as well as mission critical stuff) connects to |
| 10:41.47 | nab | Please let me know if you have an issues getting an OpenMoko/iSCSI environment setup with LIO-VM |
| 10:42.09 | nab | LIO-VM == Running an Linux/iSCSI Target in an x86 virtual machine on Linux/Mac/Win |
| 10:42.28 | nab | You can basically just plug in a USB drive and point your OpenMoko/iSCSI client at the target IP |
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| 10:43.04 | nab | Or any Type == Direct-Access (DISK) really |
| 10:43.24 | nab | With ext3 mounts, the Freerunner is looking very stable |
| 10:43.30 | nab | both r/o and r/w |
| 10:44.08 | nab | Your first iSCSI LUN will automatically be mounted by the OM device on /media/sda |
| 10:44.13 | abraxa__ | Interesting.... |
| 10:44.28 | nab | And accessable via the playlist tab with media-player, etc. |
| 10:44.34 | abraxa__ | Does it offer automounting/autoplugging stuff? |
| 10:44.40 | nab | abraxa__: Which part..? |
| 10:44.48 | abraxa__ | iSCSI |
| 10:45.14 | nab | For LIO-VM, you have to grab focus on the VMware machine, and re-run LIO-demo.sh |
| 10:45.18 | nab | But I am working on that |
| 10:45.19 | abraxa__ | Well, never mind |
| 10:45.27 | abraxa__ | I wasn't thinking enough :) |
| 10:45.32 | nab | On the client side, core-iscsi is still broken wrt to that |
| 10:45.39 | abraxa__ | Ahh okay |
| 10:45.42 | nab | With Open/iSCSI however, you can rescan an existing iSCSI TCP connection |
| 10:45.51 | nab | And detect new iSCSI LUNs and filesystems etc. |
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| 10:46.04 | nab | Something I imagine will end up as a AUX function |
| 10:46.25 | nab | Along with the iSCSI/iSNS config for your iSCSI enabled mobile setup. |
| 10:46.29 | abraxa__ | I was more thinking along the lines of "I come home and Openmoko sees my WiFi-AP at home, so it can automatically connect to the media share on the NAS" |
| 10:46.41 | nab | abraxa__: Ahh yes.. |
| 10:46.42 | nab | Well |
| 10:47.01 | nab | Traditional iSCSI does define the concept on multiple communication paths per iSCSI storage nexus |
| 10:47.14 | nab | nexus == mapping between Initiator and Target storage object mappings |
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| 10:47.36 | nab | You can start/stop these on the fly across multiple interfaces with core-isci |
| 10:47.40 | nab | core-iscsi |
| 10:47.43 | nab | and lio-target |
| 10:48.05 | nab | The other option would be using iSCSI/SCTP and multi-homing |
| 10:48.17 | abraxa__ | I hope the overhead isn't as high as it sounds ;) |
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| 10:48.42 | nab | To prevent any service interruption to the media-player end-user |
| 10:48.51 | nab | But with GPRS that will be tricky |
| 10:48.53 | nab | :-) |
| 10:49.00 | Outlander | yeah gprs is slooow |
| 10:49.04 | Outlander | in oz anyway |
| 10:49.09 | nab | But not impossible |
| 10:49.19 | abraxa__ | Anyway, bbl |
| 10:50.00 | nab | abraxa__: Actually, the login/logout overhead is very small |
| 10:50.09 | nab | As it the other advanced features of iSCSI. |
| 10:50.13 | nab | s/it/is |
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| 10:50.49 | nab | (Stuff not supported just quite yet on the client side) |
| 10:50.57 | nab | But we are getting close. :-) |
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| 11:00.18 | nab | root@om-gta02:/media/sda# opkg install libsdl |
| 11:00.18 | nab | Nothing to be done |
| 11:00.18 | nab | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
| 11:00.18 | nab | Collected errors: |
| 11:00.18 | nab | Cannot find package libsdl. |
| 11:00.20 | nab | Hmmm |
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| 11:02.18 | ScaredyCat | do a : opkg update |
| 11:02.27 | ScaredyCat | then try the install |
| 11:02.48 | nab | Doh |
| 11:03.55 | josch|nsn | nab: why do you need libsdl? |
| 11:04.06 | josch|nsn | you wanna play wesnoth? ;) |
| 11:04.28 | nab | josch|nsn: Will SDL give me fullscreen..? |
| 11:04.40 | broedge | hm where do i get opkg .. i have ipkg here, at my a780 |
| 11:04.42 | nab | Or mabye my fbdev parameters are just wrong |
| 11:05.01 | nab | mplayer -sws 0 -nodouble -vo fbdev -fs -framedrop wakinglife.avi -xy 640 -vf rotate=1 |
| 11:05.45 | nab | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
| 11:05.45 | nab | Collected errors: |
| 11:05.45 | nab | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 11:05.45 | nab | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 11:05.45 | nab | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 11:05.45 | nab | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 11:05.47 | nab | Hrrmmm |
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| 11:05.58 | josch|nsn | nab: i told you to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player |
| 11:06.29 | josch|nsn | nab: you are missing -vf scale -zoom |
| 11:06.32 | nab | looks again for QVGA |
| 11:06.49 | josch|nsn | 640 is NOT qvga |
| 11:06.50 | nab | For switching between QVGA and VGA mode do the following with a compatible kernel: |
| 11:06.56 | nab | What does the last bit entail..? |
| 11:07.07 | rschuster | nab: sdl fullscreen works |
| 11:07.12 | josch|nsn | do you want to use qvga or resize your video? |
| 11:07.29 | rschuster | nab: if you have installed a devel image run kobodeluxe (works in either orientation) |
| 11:07.29 | josch|nsn | rschuster: as mentioned in the wiki article... |
| 11:08.13 | nab | Ok, I am missing /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state |
| 11:08.36 | nab | josch|nsn: Are the QVGA stuff changes to fbdev, or a seperate mod..? |
| 11:08.46 | josch|nsn | pff... |
| 11:08.46 | nab | rschuster: Thanks |
| 11:08.55 | josch|nsn | nab: its all in the wiki article |
| 11:09.01 | josch|nsn | if it's not, tell me |
| 11:09.02 | nab | josch|nsn: Ok, thanks |
| 11:09.03 | nab | :-) |
| 11:09.12 | abraxa__ | nab: Try using xrandr to change resolution, the sysfs stuff in the video player article is outdated |
| 11:09.13 | josch|nsn | nab: i said so hours ago... |
| 11:09.28 | josch|nsn | abraxa__: it is? why didnt you update it? |
| 11:09.46 | abraxa__ | I didn't have time :( |
| 11:09.56 | josch|nsn | abraxa__: so xrandr finally works for resolution switching? |
| 11:10.01 | nab | josch|nsn: Sorry, my video hardware knowledge is some-what limited |
| 11:10.02 | nab | :-) |
| 11:10.17 | abraxa__ | josch|nsn: I'll try as soon as my Neo has booted up |
| 11:10.22 | josch|nsn | hehe |
| 11:10.39 | mjr | yay for xrandr modechanges |
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| 11:11.14 | nab | Where can I find the libsdl*.ipk stuff directly..? |
| 11:11.30 | nab | looks at opkg repo info |
| 11:12.12 | abraxa__ | nab: buildhost.automated.it is a nice repo (ScaredyCat maintains it) |
| 11:12.30 | nab | Hmm |
| 11:12.38 | nab | I can't seem to find the libsdl packages on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ |
| 11:12.43 | nab | abraxa__: OK, thanks |
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| 11:13.42 | abraxa__ | josch|nsn: xrandr doesn't work for me, I'll see what I can find |
| 11:14.22 | abraxa__ | Maybe it does work for nab, however, as he has a GTA02 |
| 11:14.29 | nab | Ok, I am grabbing libsdl-image and libsdl-mixer |
| 11:14.52 | nab | And libsdl-1.2 |
| 11:15.22 | abraxa__ | nab: Mind doing a "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 320x240" to see whether that works for you? |
| 11:16.09 | nab | Hmm, I think the UI just crashed w/ pcf50633_battvolt timeout :-( |
| 11:16.18 | nab | That is the actualy console message |
| 11:16.18 | josch|nsn | abraxa__: nab has a gta02???? |
| 11:16.19 | nab | :-) |
| 11:16.34 | nab | The mplayer video is still doing however |
| 11:16.35 | abraxa__ | nab: After doing the xrandr or when? |
| 11:16.36 | nab | s/doing/going |
| 11:16.41 | nab | abraxa__: Nope |
| 11:16.45 | abraxa__ | oh |
| 11:16.46 | nab | I guess I will have to reboot |
| 11:16.47 | josch|nsn | abraxa__: you mean xrandr -s 240x320 |
| 11:16.51 | nab | one sec |
| 11:16.52 | nab | :-) |
| 11:17.10 | abraxa__ | nab: And the pcf50633 is just a kernel debug message |
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| 11:17.19 | nab | abraxa__: <nod< |
| 11:17.39 | nab | The screen dim timeout just kicked off |
| 11:17.40 | abraxa__ | josch|nsn: Yeah, oops |
| 11:17.54 | josch|nsn | nab: why doyou have a freerunner?? |
| 11:17.57 | nab | And I can't bring it back from dim.. (with the video player stuff running :-) |
| 11:18.13 | nab | Time to take a note and reboot |
| 11:18.14 | nab | :-) |
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| 11:20.39 | nab | josch|nsn: I am providing LIO packages for the device |
| 11:21.06 | nab | So you can access 900 GB filesystem mounts over the network |
| 11:21.15 | nab | And other fun stuff like that |
| 11:21.37 | nab | Hmmm |
| 11:21.45 | nab | notes the screen is still dim |
| 11:21.53 | nab | Mabye time for a "cold-reboot" |
| 11:22.24 | nab | There we go |
| 11:22.29 | josch|nsn | nab: LIO? i used to do that kind of stuff via ssh |
| 11:22.43 | nab | josch|nsn: What stuff? |
| 11:22.56 | nab | LIO == Linux-iSCSI.org |
| 11:22.56 | broedge | why do i have black, lit screen, and just a non-working panel after installing like e-wm and matchbox-panel? |
| 11:22.57 | josch|nsn | mounting distant file systems |
| 11:23.04 | nab | Ah yes, sshfs |
| 11:23.06 | nab | Wel |
| 11:23.16 | josch|nsn | with fusefs |
| 11:23.17 | nab | No one really runs that in production (from what I know :-) |
| 11:23.24 | nab | But still pretty cool |
| 11:23.27 | nab | sshfs and httpfs |
| 11:23.36 | josch|nsn | LIO url plz |
| 11:23.43 | nab | Linux-iSCSI.org |
| 11:25.20 | josch|nsn | nab: encryption? |
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| 11:26.41 | nab | josch|nsn: For the iSCSI traffic..? |
| 11:27.12 | nab | The IPS TWG defined ipsec AH/ESP for securing bulk traffic |
| 11:27.59 | nab | And IKE for the key exchange protocol |
| 11:28.22 | nab | Ok, the device is back up |
| 11:28.32 | nab | trys xrandr -s 240x320 |
| 11:28.46 | nab | root@om-gta02:/media/sda# xrandr -s 240x320 |
| 11:28.46 | nab | Can't open display |
| 11:28.55 | nab | Do I have to not be in X..? |
| 11:29.03 | abraxa__ | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr ... |
| 11:29.04 | abraxa__ | :) |
| 11:29.06 | nab | er duh |
| 11:29.10 | nab | (Its getting late over here :-) |
| 11:29.14 | abraxa__ | No worries |
| 11:29.31 | nab | retires |
| 11:29.37 | nab | er, retries even |
| 11:30.49 | josch|nsn | nab: does your solution use native encryption |
| 11:32.12 | nab | VO: [fbdev] 208x352 => 190x320 BGR 16-bit [fs] |
| 11:32.12 | nab | screensize is smaller than video size |
| 11:32.12 | nab | FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver. |
| 11:32.19 | nab | Hmmm |
| 11:32.35 | nab | josch|nsn: IPSEC is done at the network layer, so yes. |
| 11:32.58 | nab | But the to really make it work you need the MobilIKE stuff, yes. |
| 11:33.18 | josch|nsn | finds the sshfs version more convenient |
| 11:33.31 | josch|nsn | does everything through ssh - even tunneling |
| 11:33.51 | josch|nsn | (real tunneling with tun0 device ) |
| 11:33.54 | nab | Ok, fullscreen .flv playback is doing |
| 11:33.56 | nab | :-) |
| 11:34.01 | josch|nsn | nab: congrats! |
| 11:34.02 | nab | GOING |
| 11:34.11 | nab | me kills pulseaudio again |
| 11:34.19 | ScaredyCat | sshfs fails miserably over time |
| 11:34.47 | ScaredyCat | with large amounts of data it just stops working |
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| 11:35.24 | josch|nsn | ScaredyCat: it worked fine for me so far and i copied whole dvd images |
| 11:35.41 | nab | Playback looks pretty decent over iSCSI/WiFI |
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| 11:35.48 | ScaredyCat | well, that's not what I'd call 'large amounts of data' |
| 11:35.58 | josch|nsn | nab: you rly can stream your file? |
| 11:36.00 | ScaredyCat | 4-10gb of dvd ... |
| 11:36.03 | josch|nsn | great! |
| 11:36.04 | nab | josch|nsn: I know a bit about that type of stuff.. |
| 11:36.17 | ScaredyCat | I'm talking about 100's of GB |
| 11:36.27 | josch|nsn | ScaredyCat: in one file? |
| 11:36.31 | nab | presented iSCSI/HD from PS3-Linux @ LWCE last year |
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| 11:36.41 | ScaredyCat | when it works, it's grat, when it stops working it's not... |
| 11:36.52 | nab | Doing playback from BD/HD-DVD shit, etc. |
| 11:36.54 | ScaredyCat | no, not in one file, multiple |
| 11:37.44 | nab | wonders how to get his .avi to playback using xrandr |
| 11:38.24 | nab | google:/home/nab/haakon-ppc/nab# file more.avi |
| 11:38.26 | nab | more.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 352 x 208, ~15 fps, video: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) |
| 11:39.00 | nab | And I was using xrandr -s 240x320 |
| 11:39.14 | nab | notes that 'file' does not extract the resolution for .flv files |
| 11:39.30 | josch|nsn | ScaredyCat: well this workes also - bavkuped 800GB of data through sshfs once |
| 11:39.40 | josch|nsn | ScaredyCat: is the issue bugreported? |
| 11:40.06 | ScaredyCat | iirk it's a know issue, as yet unfixed |
| 11:40.09 | ScaredyCat | iirc |
| 11:40.17 | ScaredyCat | known |
| 11:41.29 | josch|nsn | never used iscsi - what are the alternatives? does it integrate as a mountable device? |
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| 11:43.37 | nab | josch|nsn: SAN storage transports encapsulate the I/O request below the host OSes block layer of the storage stack |
| 11:43.42 | ScaredyCat | ataoe |
| 11:44.00 | nab | Which makes the SAN struct block_device (eg: /dev/sda) appear at a locally connected evice. |
| 11:44.50 | nab | fdisk, mkfs and mount work just like any other storage device |
| 11:47.08 | josch|nsn | ah nice lowlevel then |
| 11:47.38 | josch|nsn | and i assume i can outomount it in through fstab? |
| 11:48.03 | nab | josch|nsn: There are a couple of different methods to do that yes.. |
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| 11:48.24 | nab | The OM stuff will automount /dev/sda in /media/sda |
| 11:48.31 | nab | and so on. |
| 11:48.47 | nab | Actually, I don't know what it does for /dev/sda1 |
| 11:48.49 | josch|nsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.53 | nab | Correct |
| 11:49.03 | nab | For example, I am using FILEIO from a PS3-Linux LIO-Target |
| 11:49.12 | josch|nsn | wow rly nice - dont know why i didnt recognize the stuf yet |
| 11:49.25 | nab | FILEIO == A file on a mounted filesystem using buffered level kernel I/O |
| 11:49.57 | nab | The LIO-Target Storage Engine can also send raw blocks to a struct block_device (BLOCK layer) or struct scsi_device (SCSI layer) |
| 11:50.16 | nab | The former includes logical volumes, MD RAID arrays, etc. |
| 11:50.21 | nab | You get the idea. :-) |
| 11:50.41 | josch|nsn | yeah |
| 11:50.50 | josch|nsn | have to try that @ home |
| 11:51.04 | josch|nsn | is it in some repos like debian? |
| 11:51.24 | nab | josch|nsn: <nod> |
| 11:51.39 | josch|nsn | nab: great will report back on success |
| 11:51.42 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/[debian,ubuntu] |
| 11:52.06 | nab | josch|nsn: Great, I am going to have to head-out soon, but post any questions to the LIO-Target devel list |
| 11:52.15 | nab | There is a link to the google group on the main page |
| 11:52.24 | josch|nsn | lol google |
| 11:52.33 | nab | :-) |
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| 11:58.20 | josch|nsn | nab: damn only i386 and amd64 packages - have to build myself then |
| 11:59.21 | nab | josch|nsn: Use m-a -vt a-i target to build it for your running kernel |
| 11:59.27 | nab | it == iscsi_target_mod.ko |
| 11:59.34 | nab | ER Sorry |
| 11:59.57 | nab | The OM client stuff is in http://linux-iscsi.org/builds/openmoko/freerunner/core-iscsi/ |
| 12:00.10 | nab | The target stuff is in the debian/ubuntu repos |
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| 12:00.31 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/svn/trunk/README |
| 12:00.41 | nab | On howto build the target from source |
| 12:01.05 | josch|nsn | nice docu thx |
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| 12:08.26 | nab | josch|nsn: The stacks have been run on pretty much every arch under the sun |
| 12:08.55 | nab | But if you got some new builds, let the list know. :-) |
| 12:09.03 | josch|nsn | nab: what about my old sparc? |
| 12:09.16 | nab | has an Ultra 10 sitting close by |
| 12:09.33 | josch|nsn | nab: would be nice to have also binaries for other arcs |
| 12:09.43 | nab | josch|nsn: <nod> |
| 12:09.47 | nab | It will build on all of them |
| 12:09.47 | josch|nsn | i assume you autobuild them so adding more wouldnt be more work |
| 12:09.55 | nab | I use a G4 Cube running Debian/Lenny for my workstation |
| 12:10.04 | josch|nsn | nice |
| 12:10.20 | nab | josch|nsn: I do the builds in some VMs running iSCSI/OCFS2 |
| 12:10.29 | josch|nsn | i love the fact that this ultra portability is only possible with oss |
| 12:10.33 | nab | eg: The repo is self hosted on top of iSCSI |
| 12:10.45 | nab | josch|nsn: :-) |
| 12:11.01 | nab | has an a few Alpha nearby too |
| 12:11.13 | josch|nsn | nab: but you only support linux as a kernel? |
| 12:11.26 | nab | josch|nsn: Well, the LIO-Target design is OS independent |
| 12:11.39 | nab | The plugins talk with the local host storage subsystems. |
| 12:11.50 | nab | But you can easily run it inside of a VM on non Linux systems |
| 12:11.52 | nab | And export stuff |
| 12:11.57 | josch|nsn | kk |
| 12:12.09 | nab | The design has been ported in the past to non Linux OSes however. |
| 12:12.24 | nab | But for LIO-Target its all Host local + VM linux |
| 12:12.25 | nab | :-) |
| 12:12.50 | josch|nsn | nab: who are the main devs? |
| 12:13.11 | nab | josch|nsn: Well, mostly myself |
| 12:13.11 | josch|nsn | wow, then kudos to you |
| 12:13.15 | josch|nsn | this all sounds great |
| 12:13.21 | nab | But the project initially was a funded start-up etc. |
| 12:13.22 | ScaredyCat | http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/450784 |
| 12:13.24 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 12:13.35 | nab | Then last near I bought the code and turned it into an OSS thing |
| 12:14.06 | josch|nsn | you "bought" it?? |
| 12:14.10 | nab | <nod> |
| 12:14.23 | nab | Well, I was the co-founder and chief architect for it |
| 12:14.24 | nab | :-) |
| 12:14.29 | josch|nsn | ah kk... |
| 12:14.46 | nab | And people got tired of listening to me about binary kernel modules |
| 12:14.48 | nab | Soooo |
| 12:14.49 | nab | :-) |
| 12:14.54 | josch|nsn | hahaha |
| 12:14.56 | josch|nsn | great |
| 12:15.05 | josch|nsn | thanks for that |
| 12:15.11 | nab | :- |
| 12:15.12 | nab | :-) |
| 12:15.23 | nab | The LIO-Target stuff is destined for upstream kernel.org before too long |
| 12:15.27 | josch|nsn | are there alternatives for your work? |
| 12:15.38 | nab | Sure |
| 12:15.50 | nab | But the LIO-Target project has been around the longest on the server side |
| 12:15.55 | nab | And thats all I really know, soo. |
| 12:16.11 | nab | On the client, there is support in kernel.org for the client side with open/iSCSI |
| 12:16.21 | nab | And then the other x86 OSes have their iSCSI clients |
| 12:16.26 | nab | Some RISC UNIX platforms too |
| 12:16.36 | nab | And of course iSCSI HBAs and whatnot. |
| 12:16.55 | nab | The LIO stuff supports a bunch of extra stuff not usually implemented by vendors. |
| 12:17.16 | nab | Like active-active connection recovery so you can multi-plex across multiple backbone providers coast-to-coast |
| 12:17.22 | josch|nsn | so what is currently in the kernel and what is not? |
| 12:17.43 | nab | And as you loose links, the nexus between the storage objects never stops, etc. |
| 12:18.04 | nab | josch|nsn: The Open/iSCSI Initiator client is upstream |
| 12:18.15 | nab | And the Target engine folks are still duking it out |
| 12:18.24 | raster | eye is in your kernelz stealinz yor bytses! |
| 12:18.25 | nab | presented at LSF 08' for the project this year |
| 12:18.47 | nab | http://iou.parisc-linux.org/lsf2008/IO-iSCSI_and_Target_Mode-Nicholas_Bellinger.pdf |
| 12:18.52 | nab | (If anyone gets bored :-) |
| 12:19.08 | nab | OpenMoko did have a mention in the discussion fo course |
| 12:19.25 | nab | Under "Sexy Embedded Linux Hardware" I believe |
| 12:19.27 | josch|nsn | LSF = Linux Storage & Filesystem Workshop |
| 12:19.35 | nab | josch|nsn: <nod> |
| 12:19.40 | josch|nsn | where? |
| 12:19.47 | nab | San Jose |
| 12:19.50 | nab | , CA |
| 12:19.53 | josch|nsn | oups |
| 12:20.01 | josch|nsn | = europe |
| 12:20.25 | raster | ewwwop |
| 12:20.30 | josch|nsn | raster: provide the lolcat image and you are done for today |
| 12:20.37 | raster | hahaha |
| 12:20.51 | nab | josch|nsn: It's a USENIX event |
| 12:21.03 | nab | It was alot of fun this year. :P |
| 12:21.10 | nab | Lots of talk about SSD drives |
| 12:21.20 | nab | Lots of storage industry folks, and the usual suspects |
| 12:21.24 | nab | :-) |
| 12:23.13 | josch|nsn | a meeting of all those guys that think they are more intelligent with their strage drivers than the drives internal logic :P |
| 12:23.44 | nab | josch|nsn: Heh |
| 12:23.47 | nab | Something like that |
| 12:24.11 | josch|nsn | ^^ |
| 12:24.12 | nab | And very different personality and not everyone speaks the same languages |
| 12:24.18 | nab | personalities |
| 12:24.27 | nab | And lots of free-drinks |
| 12:24.29 | nab | :P |
| 12:24.37 | josch|nsn | oh free is good |
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| 12:24.47 | nab | Espically once LSF ends and the academics come to town |
| 12:24.48 | josch|nsn | even if it's free beer instead of speach |
| 12:24.48 | nab | :P |
| 12:25.04 | josch|nsn | speech even |
| 12:25.07 | nab | :-) |
| 12:25.46 | nab | is looking forward to driving some iSCSI mobile devices next year |
| 12:26.20 | josch|nsn | n800/810, freerunner... |
| 12:26.25 | nab | josch|nsn: I think doing the shared storage FS stuff is the most interesting so far for the LIO-Work |
| 12:26.27 | nab | <nod> |
| 12:26.34 | josch|nsn | pandora |
| 12:26.58 | nab | I believe that > v2.6.22 has the Distributed Lock manager (DLM) v8 wire protocol bits for doing traffic across the devices |
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| 12:27.15 | nab | will be taking a look at getting builds for this soon |
| 12:27.38 | nab | Since the ocfs2+dlm kernel modules can be easily enabled in v2.6.24. :-) |
| 12:28.32 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OCFS2/iSCSI_for_OS-2008 for the project page |
| 12:29.06 | nab | So to get the Freerunning and OS-2008 devices up, they both need > 2.6.22 kernel |
| 12:29.25 | nab | I know there are folks on linux-omap working on the latter device |
| 12:29.35 | nab | s/Freerunning/Freerunner |
| 12:29.36 | nab | :-) |
| 12:29.59 | nab | Having a few x86 LIO-VMs and those devices on a shared storage mount would be pretty slick |
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| 12:30.22 | nab | (There are still obvious changes needed for R/O OCFS2 access of course) |
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| 12:30.43 | nab | The internal logic will still fence nodes for R/O filesystem mounts when cluster nodes go away |
| 12:30.56 | nab | internal DLM logic |
| 12:31.18 | nab | But that all currently depends on timeout settings and wireless connectivity |
| 12:31.44 | nab | But making OCFS2/DLM more WiFI friendly is a long-term project |
| 12:32.02 | nab | And will require some kernel patches |
| 12:32.03 | nab | ;-) |
| 12:32.38 | nab | But I plan to use R/O and R/W ext3 for now, and see how the OCFS2/WiFi bits come along |
| 12:32.40 | DPThuught | i would rather like to have a distributed and redundant filesystem like ceph, glusterfs or gfarm. I don't know, somehow i don't like shared storage on a block layer. |
| 12:33.00 | nab | DPThuught: Well, its a matter of making that logic lightweight I think. |
| 12:33.25 | nab | And portable to a number of different environments (at least in the storage case) |
| 12:33.51 | nab | DPThuught: Btw, OCFS has done through to different major versions |
| 12:33.54 | DPThuught | intermezzo sounds like a really good idea for a nomadic user btw. Sadly it has really poor online performance and offline work depends on local disk space which is usually sparse |
| 12:34.03 | nab | The first used block READs to access metadata stored on the disk |
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| 12:34.21 | nab | Which the OCFS devs found did not scale well to larger numbers of cluster nodes |
| 12:34.27 | ScaredyCat | awns |
| 12:34.28 | DPThuught | nab: yea, thats a really good point. all cluster filesystems i checked out so far are not very trustworthy |
| 12:34.29 | ScaredyCat | then |
| 12:34.32 | ScaredyCat | yawns |
| 12:34.45 | nab | So along came OCFS2 and put the metadata onto the network fabric |
| 12:35.05 | nab | (Which is what most the major cluster fses do) |
| 12:35.09 | nab | But anyways |
| 12:35.10 | nab | :-) |
| 12:35.23 | DPThuught | i think i have to read more about OCFS2... :) |
| 12:35.25 | nab | DPThuught: OCFS2 is great because the config is so simple |
| 12:35.57 | nab | And has been included upstream for a while, and can run in BE/LE 32/64 mode, etc |
| 12:36.14 | nab | And inside of VMs, etc |
| 12:36.20 | nab | But you get the idea |
| 12:36.31 | DPThuught | I just like the idea of multiple machins all having free disk space coming toghether and forming a filesystem/namespace cloud from the collected free space. Of course with redundancy. |
| 12:36.33 | nab | There are some wikipedia links for cluster/shared storage on the OCFS2/iSCSI OS 2008 page |
| 12:36.36 | nab | Check them out |
| 12:36.48 | nab | DPThuught: <nod> |
| 12:36.57 | nab | But in reality, you are doing to have multiple pieces of storage |
| 12:37.02 | nab | Some small FS mounts for R/W access |
| 12:37.24 | nab | And on the backend you can have VMs moving files around to your shared storage filesystems |
| 12:37.46 | nab | So much of it comes down to network bandwith and connectivity |
| 12:37.54 | nab | Esp wrt R/W access |
| 12:38.11 | nab | For now we assume the OCFS2 mount on the mobile devices will be read-only |
| 12:38.23 | nab | But other VMs with R/W can put files onto the mount |
| 12:38.33 | nab | And the mobile device will see the new dirs/files, etc |
| 12:38.51 | nab | And that userspace will also see the updates |
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| 12:39.08 | nab | (Which is not the case with the Maemo devices and OCFS2) |
| 12:39.20 | nab | At least not with the default file manager. |
| 12:39.21 | nab | :-) |
| 12:39.23 | nab | But you get the idea. |
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| 12:56.35 | Cap_J_L_Picard | ScaredyCat: Pong? |
| 12:56.49 | ScaredyCat | oh.. blimey! |
| 12:56.55 | ScaredyCat | that was hours ago :) |
| 12:56.59 | rwhitby | adds an OM_BRANCH variable to MokoMakefile to enable building the org.openmoko.april-update branch ... |
| 12:57.39 | ScaredyCat | Cap_J_L_Picard: I jst came across the libssp error again. |
| 12:58.04 | ScaredyCat | I don;t think anyone's really don a clean build for a long time |
| 12:58.19 | Cap_J_L_Picard | hmm... |
| 12:58.23 | Cap_J_L_Picard | yeah... |
| 12:58.48 | XorA | did one 2 days ago |
| 12:58.48 | ScaredyCat | I've added what I did to fix it to that bug |
| 12:58.57 | ScaredyCat | slaps XorA |
| 12:58.59 | Cap_J_L_Picard | tries to remember how he got pas it last time... |
| 12:59.02 | ScaredyCat | really? |
| 12:59.03 | rwhitby | wonders how to reproduce http://quickstart.openmoko.com/recommended/ builds ... |
| 12:59.14 | Cap_J_L_Picard | s/pas/past/ |
| 12:59.16 | ScaredyCat | so how did you get past the libssp errors then XorA? |
| 12:59.25 | XorA | there were no libssp errors |
| 12:59.48 | ScaredyCat | well, you didn't build form sane src revs and the current .bb files then |
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| 13:00.00 | ScaredyCat | because they have errors in that cause the libssp issue |
| 13:00.00 | rwhitby | or he had a different host setup |
| 13:00.17 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: OM people use moko-autorev |
| 13:00.25 | XorA | didnt use autorev |
| 13:00.50 | ScaredyCat | the libssp errors cause avahi to fail, which causes gnome-vfs, pulseaudio etc to fail. |
| 13:02.29 | ScaredyCat | 'libssp errors' == avahi failing to link because libssp not built (disabled in gcc EXTRA_OECONF) |
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| 13:03.51 | XorA | avahi doesnt require ssp anyway |
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| 13:04.37 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 1311 |
| 13:04.38 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1311, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 13:04.39 | cdbot2 | * * scaredycat(AT)automated.it: libssp.so.0 is required for oh-puzzle but is not built... |
| 13:04.40 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1311 |
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| 13:10.44 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: I thought the whole point of oe was that it was distro agnostic, hence all the native stuff |
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| 13:12.39 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: indeed |
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| 15:23.24 | ScaredyCat | sighs |
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| 15:24.04 | SpeedEvil | passes ScaredyCat an angry crocodile, to take his mind off his troubles. |
| 15:25.40 | XorA | laughs when he sees the new bootsplash |
| 15:25.42 | ScaredyCat | fears even an angry crocodile could not achieve that. |
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| 15:29.32 | CM | is half way to a booting pc :) |
| 15:30.26 | ScaredyCat | finally got all the parts then CM? |
| 15:31.41 | CM | Yepp, botoed with a livecd and about to install now |
| 15:32.05 | CM | Using my old disk, so basically just have to change some configs and build a new kernel :) |
| 15:32.14 | ScaredyCat | cool |
| 15:32.21 | ScaredyCat | XorA: pic |
| 15:33.00 | SpeedEvil | PIC18F628A |
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| 15:33.56 | ScaredyCat | thows a pic axe at SpeedEvil |
| 15:34.27 | wasabi | so this freerunner phone, will it be USABLE? |
| 15:34.30 | XorA | ScaredyCat: exquisite |
| 15:34.32 | wasabi | That is, can I actually place phone calls on it. |
| 15:34.36 | wasabi | If so, I'm all over it. |
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| 15:35.09 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: basically. On release it's at best a basic phone and SMS thingy |
| 15:35.12 | ScaredyCat | rubs wasabi all over XorA |
| 15:35.27 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: there will be a number of problems that mean it's not a general user-ready phone. |
| 15:35.39 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: power saving |
| 15:35.46 | wasabi | I see. |
| 15:35.51 | wasabi | So why charge $400 for it? |
| 15:35.54 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: general state of software readyness, and lack of core apps such as light-seber noise. |
| 15:36.15 | ScaredyCat | becuase $1 is worth nothing atm |
| 15:36.18 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: because that's broadly what it costs to make, and make a small profit. |
| 15:36.20 | wasabi | hehe |
| 15:36.29 | ScaredyCat | $400 is worht just about something |
| 15:36.32 | wasabi | Oh well. See... I'd love to get one, and hack on it. |
| 15:36.41 | wasabi | But I'm not going to spend $400 if it can't do the basic stuff. |
| 15:36.42 | ScaredyCat | we all would |
| 15:37.06 | ScaredyCat | I say 'we' .... |
| 15:37.17 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: At the moment, it's a PII/200 class machine, with a 16 bit ISA graphics card, and stuff, all packed into a little case. |
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| 15:37.48 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: As a small linux device that is open-source, and is dev friendly, there is little competition. |
| 15:37.50 | wasabi | What's wrong with the power saving? |
| 15:38.00 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: it's not really implemented fully |
| 15:38.55 | wasabi | so... when will that be solved? |
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| 15:39.49 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: When will birds suddenly appear? |
| 15:40.08 | ScaredyCat | when you are near? |
| 15:43.02 | mwester | why is everyone speaking in riddles? :D |
| 15:43.17 | Lintus | :D |
| 15:43.21 | XorA | isnt that Carpenters lyrics? |
| 15:43.35 | mwester | doesn't listen to the Carpenters... |
| 15:43.37 | ScaredyCat | nearly |
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| 15:43.47 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: basically - when someone codes it |
| 15:43.54 | wasabi | oh well. i really want to buy and hack on one... but if it's going to sit at home all day and i'm not going to be able to actually place calls and stuff on it, it's just not going to happen. sort of the same position my maemo device is in. |
| 15:44.00 | wasabi | awesome device... but i have no reason to carry it around. |
| 15:44.14 | wasabi | and so it sits at home ignored |
| 15:44.22 | Lintus | Eh, i thought you can call and send sms with openmoko, when you open it from case |
| 15:44.22 | SpeedEvil | It can place calls and stuff |
| 15:44.37 | wasabi | well, how long does it run without power saving? |
| 15:44.37 | mwester | Power saving is an iterative process; there is *always* something that can be improved, a new algorithm to try, etc. Power saving basics will be working shortly (IMO); it will be refined for much time to come. |
| 15:44.43 | SpeedEvil | However, it does not have many important apps that would make it actually usable. |
| 15:44.54 | SpeedEvil | I mean fot the general user |
| 15:44.55 | wasabi | how so? dialer and sms is all I use my real phone for. |
| 15:44.59 | XorA | SpeedEvil: what apps? |
| 15:45.04 | ScaredyCat | wapss |
| 15:45.08 | ScaredyCat | wapps |
| 15:45.09 | SpeedEvil | A nice polished browser. |
| 15:45.24 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: I think that's all being done in secret |
| 15:45.30 | SpeedEvil | A polished audio/video player |
| 15:45.31 | wasabi | whats going to happen when android finally has hardware? |
| 15:45.32 | XorA | SpeedEvil: epithany-webkit :-) |
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| 15:45.41 | ScaredyCat | have you not noticed bugger all going on? |
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| 15:45.44 | XorA | we got a polished audio player |
| 15:45.59 | ScaredyCat | either it's not goig on, or they're deving in the background |
| 15:46.04 | SpeedEvil | XorA: sure - I mean a video player that knows the limits of the GTA02 hardware |
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| 15:46.24 | ScaredyCat | I suspect the latter from some of the comments on the commuity list |
| 15:46.46 | XorA | org.openmoko.april-update is current stuff |
| 15:47.12 | ScaredyCat | and gtk is going... or at least not being used |
| 15:47.17 | mwester | I also suspect the latter; the lack of discussion on some of the important issues is leading me to think that they are already resolved in some other codebase. |
| 15:48.08 | XorA | mwester: no, I think its that there is only one guy who can help you and he is massively busy |
| 15:48.09 | ScaredyCat | or they just dont't give a fuck :) |
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| 15:48.48 | mwester | :( |
| 15:48.50 | wasabi | whatcha mean about gtk? |
| 15:49.44 | ScaredyCat | over there --> gtk |
| 15:50.02 | unknown_lamer | hmm maybe I could hack up a mcclim-etk backend |
| 15:50.12 | wasabi | they're not using gtk anymore? |
| 15:50.14 | unknown_lamer | there is already a mostly working gtk/cairo backend though |
| 15:50.17 | XorA | there is no secret codebase inside OM |
| 15:50.21 | ScaredyCat | EFL |
| 15:50.35 | XorA | unless its so secret I dont know about it |
| 15:50.42 | wasabi | are there any actual people who develop in here? |
| 15:50.53 | unknown_lamer | wasabi: yes |
| 15:51.40 | unknown_lamer | wasabi: http://unknownlamer.org/img/misc/lj/clim-accepting-gadgets-working.png I'm hacking on that so I can write an openmoko-view and get purely gadget/touch based UIs working in CLIM |
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| 15:51.59 | balrog-kun | develops a neck ache |
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| 15:52.31 | ScaredyCat | oils down a ferret for balrog-kun |
| 15:53.17 | XorA | NOTE: package openmoko-image-1.0: completed |
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| 15:56.51 | ScaredyCat | dies a little inside |
| 15:56.53 | XorA | sees no libssp problem, and has no libssp in tmp/ anywhere |
| 15:57.12 | roh | hm.. libssp was what exactly? |
| 15:57.14 | wasabi | oh well. i guess i'll wait another year and see what happens then. android might have hardware at that point |
| 15:57.28 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: check back in a month |
| 15:57.30 | ScaredyCat | android will have h/w this year |
| 15:57.36 | SpeedEvil | wasabi: something may have happened |
| 15:57.59 | ScaredyCat | if you want the logs XorA, you're welcome |
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| 15:59.32 | XorA | ScaredyCat: find tmp/ -name "*libssp*" |
| 16:01.13 | SpeedEvil | 'ERROR: '/mnt/data/om/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb' failed |
| 16:01.18 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/1019129 |
| 16:01.19 | SpeedEvil | thoughts? |
| 16:01.25 | SpeedEvil | It's been a while since I built |
| 16:01.32 | ScaredyCat | not from just that SpeedEvil... |
| 16:01.43 | ScaredyCat | give us 5 lines back |
| 16:01.48 | ScaredyCat | from there |
| 16:01.51 | mwester | moves his tmp aside, and syncs up to see what happens to his build (it worked fine a few days ago). |
| 16:02.02 | SpeedEvil | ERROR: function do_prep_locale_tree failed |
| 16:02.05 | XorA | ScaredyCat: mtn head |
| 16:02.07 | SpeedEvil | seems to be the original |
| 16:02.57 | ScaredyCat | you're not using om XorA? |
| 16:03.11 | XorA | ScaredyCat: I am using om |
| 16:03.17 | SpeedEvil | After binary locale generation |
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| 16:03.40 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: paste it in pastebin |
| 16:03.46 | idarwin | For anyone wondering whether gtk will be around, or what else will be around, look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework |
| 16:04.17 | ScaredyCat | yes, head |
| 16:04.18 | idarwin | esp. the diagram mid-page. |
| 16:04.43 | ScaredyCat | ( XorA ) |
| 16:04.55 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/m10a46988 |
| 16:04.57 | ScaredyCat | om head... |
| 16:06.10 | ScaredyCat | do you have ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 16:06.15 | ScaredyCat | in your loal.conf ? |
| 16:06.16 | mwester | auto-rev or srcrev? Which is XorA using? (I'm using auto, and aside from the occasional expected breakage, it builds ok) |
| 16:06.19 | ScaredyCat | local |
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| 16:06.38 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: no |
| 16:06.47 | SpeedEvil | searches for local.conv |
| 16:07.11 | ScaredyCat | mwester: I blew away my tmp for a fresh build.. (there is an issue with autorev afaik) |
| 16:07.25 | SpeedEvil | ./build/conf/local.conf ? |
| 16:07.29 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: ${OMDIR}/build/conf/local.conf |
| 16:07.32 | mwester | Ok. Well I'll find out shortly. |
| 16:07.54 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: added, new build kicked |
| 16:08.41 | ScaredyCat | mwester I switched to sane srcrev |
| 16:09.02 | zedstar_ | can we assume glib will always exist in the standard images? for example if u write some dbus programs and use the glib-dbus bindings |
| 16:09.02 | summatusmentis | hmm... i was pinged overnight, and I have no idea by who, or in what channel |
| 16:09.11 | XorA | mwester: Im using no autorev and head of OM mtn |
| 16:09.13 | ScaredyCat | to get newer versions |
| 16:09.51 | ScaredyCat | isn't the default sane then XorA |
| 16:09.52 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:10.22 | XorA | what default? the default is no autorev |
| 16:10.46 | ScaredyCat | yes, so the versions will be got from sane srcrev |
| 16:10.47 | abraxa_ | zedstar_: D-Bus will be used extensively, as will glib |
| 16:11.16 | ScaredyCat | ${OMDIR}/openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc |
| 16:12.06 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Wasn't in this chan, as far as my logs show |
| 16:12.20 | ScaredyCat | surely that's the defaults, since any other just overrides those... ?= means set if not set - right? |
| 16:12.24 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: mm... I scrolled back as far as I could, thanks |
| 16:12.31 | ScaredyCat | !logs |
| 16:12.33 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 16:12.34 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 16:12.35 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 16:12.37 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 16:12.39 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 16:12.54 | zedstar_ | abraxa_ ok good thanks |
| 16:12.59 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Actually, I was mislead - Sup3rkiddo pinged you - supposedly to say hello |
| 16:13.14 | abraxa_ | gets confused and shuts up |
| 16:13.18 | summatusmentis | I was still there for that, though, I think |
| 16:13.40 | ScaredyCat | prods XorA |
| 16:14.00 | XorA | ScaredyCat: your mumbling incoherentlu |
| 16:14.07 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Yeah, I speak too fast. |
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| 16:14.19 | ScaredyCat | XorA: sorry? |
| 16:14.21 | summatusmentis | lol, no worries |
| 16:15.00 | XorA | DISTRO="openmoko" |
| 16:15.00 | XorA | INHERIT += "rm_work" |
| 16:15.00 | XorA | GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_GB.UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8" |
| 16:15.07 | XorA | bitbake openmoko-image |
| 16:15.16 | XorA | thats my setup |
| 16:15.33 | ScaredyCat | right, but the versions it will use to build come from ${OMDIR}/openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc |
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| 16:16.20 | XorA | ScaredyCat: obviously |
| 16:16.45 | ScaredyCat | that's what I said |
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| 16:17.24 | ScaredyCat | no autorev == sane-srcrevs |
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| 16:18.41 | XorA | anyway I give up for today |
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| 16:19.09 | ScaredyCat | slaps XorA|gone |
| 16:20.25 | CM | hands ScaredyCat a slimy trout ;) |
| 16:20.37 | ScaredyCat | ~trout XorA|gone |
| 16:20.38 | apt | ACTION slaps XorA|gone around a bit with a large trout! |
| 16:20.47 | CM | Hehe |
| 16:20.48 | SpeedEvil | passes ScaredyCat a book entitled 'Cooking Trout'. |
| 16:20.58 | ScaredyCat | ~cook trout |
| 16:20.59 | apt | ACTION throws trout in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks trout on 350 for an hour |
| 16:22.09 | ScaredyCat | only another 1283 tasks to go |
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| 16:31.37 | mwester | an hour??! Not fish, for heavens sake! |
| 16:32.31 | CVirus | ~cook FreeRunner |
| 16:32.32 | apt | ACTION throws FreeRunner in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks FreeRunner on 350 for an hour |
| 16:32.39 | CVirus | haha |
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| 16:46.47 | ScaredyCat | is http://gypsy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ broken |
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| 16:51.29 | ScaredyCat | idarwin: that picture looks wrong |
| 16:51.41 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: looks like it |
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| 17:35.38 | green | Hi All! Where I can to make an order for GTA02? |
| 17:35.49 | SpeedEvil | passes green a TARDIS. |
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| 17:37.19 | abraxa_ | green: GTA02 isn't on sale yet, I'm afraid |
| 17:37.37 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: that would be 'when' surely |
| 17:37.39 | green | SpeedEvil, heh, thanks |
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| 17:39.12 | green | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.26 | abraxa_ | green: "should" |
| 17:39.28 | SpeedEvil | green: according to previous information no. |
| 17:39.34 | ScaredyCat | no, based on real info |
| 17:39.38 | SpeedEvil | However, we have had no information aas to the progress of this. |
| 17:39.52 | ScaredyCat | did your build wokr SpeedEvil? |
| 17:40.00 | SpeedEvil | And it's probably going to be at least amonth before successful production leads to shipment. |
| 17:40.06 | SpeedEvil | NOTE: Running task 877 of 5854 (ID: 1700, /mnt/data/om/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14.bb, do_populate_staging) |
| 17:40.16 | SpeedEvil | Further than it was. |
| 17:40.22 | ScaredyCat | oh, so only another 7 hour then |
| 17:42.10 | green | sadly(( |
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| 17:48.42 | mmontour | 'packagekit' build is failing for me: Requested 'libopkg = 0.1.3' but version of libopkg is 0.1.4 |
| 17:49.41 | ScaredyCat | have you updated? |
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| 17:51.47 | mmontour | Yes, I just did an update (with autorev) |
| 17:52.51 | mmontour | (the packagekit dependency was from openmoko-qtopia-x11-image; I was able to build the regular openmoko-devel-image this morning) |
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| 17:55.14 | ScaredyCat | override the libopkg preferre version in your conf |
| 17:56.09 | ScaredyCat | PREFERRED_VERSION_libopkg = "0.1.4" |
| 17:56.39 | ScaredyCat | unless it sets it in the image .bb it should work |
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| 18:17.30 | mmontour | ScaredyCat: Thanks, but it didn't help. http://www.pastebin.ca/1019256 has the full log. |
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| 18:23.36 | ScaredyCat | you could try modding the .bb ( /home/mmontour/moko/openembedded/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb ) |
| 18:24.26 | ScaredyCat | seth the opkg entry to "opkg (>=0.1.3)" without quotes |
| 18:24.43 | ScaredyCat | seth... |
| 18:24.44 | ScaredyCat | set |
| 18:24.50 | ScaredyCat | I'll have a looksie |
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| 18:37.58 | XorA|gone | hey guys, can I by a freerunner yet? |
| 18:38.05 | XorA|gone | s/by/buy/ |
| 18:38.14 | ScaredyCat | slaps XorA|gone |
| 18:38.24 | ScaredyCat | you get one free don;t you |
| 18:38.45 | *** topic/#openmoko by jarkmeister -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) should start mass production before May 16. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates :) |
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| 18:41.11 | idarwin | scaredycat what looks wrong about the picture? |
| 18:41.33 | ScaredyCat | oh, hehe... nothing now... |
| 18:41.50 | ScaredyCat | I didn;t set the high level thingys as services until after |
| 18:42.18 | ScaredyCat | I saw them as apps, hence why are they below gtk et al |
| 18:43.10 | ScaredyCat | but apparently I talk unitelligable giberish anyway |
| 18:43.16 | idarwin | ScaredyCat has been reflashed with new understanding from Mickey's picture |
| 18:43.28 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 18:43.45 | ScaredyCat | still isnt sure they should be python services though |
| 18:43.52 | mickeyl | well |
| 18:43.58 | ScaredyCat | ;o |
| 18:43.58 | mickeyl | see "the role of python" |
| 18:44.03 | ScaredyCat | yoink! |
| 18:44.06 | mickeyl | i'm not anal 'bout that |
| 18:44.24 | mickeyl | if someone comes up with more efficient implementation serving the same API - be my guest |
| 18:44.57 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I see that you're using it to prototype it... I'm just not sure that it'd ever end up as a C app - you know, "It works as is, why change it" |
| 18:45.19 | XorA|gone | just compile the python, job done |
| 18:45.40 | ScaredyCat | that fish clearly wasn't big enough ;) |
| 18:45.47 | XorA|gone | ~prod ScaredyCat |
| 18:45.48 | apt | ACTION zaps ScaredyCat with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 18:46.52 | XorA|gone | needs food, hacking ASU makes me hungry |
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| 18:47.39 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: your concern is very valid, but then again... if it works as is why change it? :D seriously, I'm expecting the C ones will hardly give any benefit except memory footprint, but will cost 5 times the implementation time. |
| 18:48.34 | ScaredyCat | I agree, the memory footprint and supporting libs needed are my 2 'issues' |
| 18:49.13 | ScaredyCat | but it's all dbus anyway, right? So my apps can be C, bash script whatever .... |
| 18:49.25 | ScaredyCat | just making the dbus calls... |
| 18:49.47 | ScaredyCat | I just don;t want the supporting services eating all the ram / flash |
| 18:50.09 | ScaredyCat | ~cook roast beef for XorA|gone |
| 18:50.10 | apt | ACTION puts on his apron and fires up the stove. "Your roast beef will be ready in a little while, XorA|gone." |
| 18:50.11 | XorA|gone | I think the time lost due to interpreting python will be dwarfed by the time taked to blit images around a gta02 screen :-) |
| 18:50.43 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 18:51.43 | ScaredyCat | where's that new boot splash anyway XorA|gone |
| 18:51.44 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: *nod*, that's the idea. write your dialer using the 'dialog' program :) |
| 18:51.51 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 18:52.26 | ScaredyCat | actually looking at building gtk-server for it - much more flexible :) |
| 18:52.37 | mickeyl | right |
| 18:53.24 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: it will be in the ASU branch when I finish merging it |
| 18:53.35 | ScaredyCat | but yes, the dbus stuff is flexible enough for all sorts |
| 18:53.50 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: maybe tomorrow if I act like a genius |
| 18:54.01 | ScaredyCat | ASU? April Surprise Undoing? |
| 18:54.26 | Vegar | April Software Update |
| 18:54.43 | ScaredyCat | ... it's not April |
| 18:54.54 | ScaredyCat | changes it |
| 18:55.01 | XorA|gone | its 11 months until April so a good chance we will deleiver early :-) |
| 18:55.02 | ScaredyCat | s/April/Another/ |
| 18:55.08 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 18:55.12 | ScaredyCat | stupid bot |
| 18:55.22 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: roflmao |
| 18:56.05 | ScaredyCat | [2008-05-15 19:53:44] <XorA|gone> ScaredyCat: maybe tomorrow if I act like a genius |
| 18:56.19 | ScaredyCat | acting in't your forte though, is it ;) |
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| 18:56.53 | ScaredyCat | sshh ssh he's back |
| 18:57.00 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: well linux companies hire me although Im a total windows fanboy :-) |
| 18:57.23 | ScaredyCat | hehehe |
| 18:58.07 | ScaredyCat | I heard microsoft pay you to slow down linux projects... |
| 18:58.29 | XorA|gone | they do |
| 18:58.42 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I can see it works :P |
| 18:58.50 | mwester | does that for free :p :D |
| 18:58.58 | ScaredyCat | lol |
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| 19:00.46 | abraxa_ | XorA|gone: You're a Windows fanboy? |
| 19:01.08 | ScaredyCat | yeah, windows 3.1 too |
| 19:01.40 | abraxa_ | Wow, what a masochist |
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| 19:02.36 | cyril_ | a true masochist would prefer Vista ;-p |
| 19:04.22 | GNUtoo | openmoko(freerunner) will come with pulseaudio like on that:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack so i will be able to make the audio from my computer go to the phone that will be connected to my hifiset...or is there any complications? |
| 19:04.25 | GNUtoo | oops hello |
| 19:06.11 | abraxa_ | GNUtoo: Yeah, the complication is about how to attach the phone to your head so you can use it as a headphone |
| 19:07.41 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 19:08.44 | SpeedEvil | pases abraxa_ a selection of galvanised nails. |
| 19:09.52 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Why me? I'd use duct tape ;) |
| 19:10.44 | GNUtoo | abraxa_, it's not a standard jack? |
| 19:12.16 | abraxa_ | GNUtoo: You want to connect the FR to your HiFi amp? Sure you can, but... why, if you have a computer |
| 19:13.24 | GNUtoo | abraxa_, if i use the computer i must pass a cable between it and the hifi amp which is not possible because i would have the risk of falling because of the cable... |
| 19:14.01 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth A2DP works |
| 19:14.03 | abraxa_ | So instead you want to leave the phone on the amp and feed it audio via BT/WiFi? |
| 19:14.21 | SpeedEvil | From the phone to the amp that is. |
| 19:14.32 | GNUtoo | abraxa_, yes |
| 19:14.42 | SpeedEvil | There are any number of BT->3.5mm jack thingies available. |
| 19:14.42 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Do you remember if the 2.5mm jack is mono or stereo? I forgot |
| 19:14.50 | GNUtoo | abraxa_, wifi with pulseaudio... |
| 19:14.50 | SpeedEvil | stereo |
| 19:15.00 | abraxa_ | GNUtoo: Then that works |
| 19:15.06 | SpeedEvil | There is one speaker. |
| 19:15.18 | GNUtoo | abraxa_, thanks a lot.... |
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| 19:15.40 | abraxa_ | GNUtoo: Personally I'd just buy a dedicated A2DP receiver and a BT dongle for the computer but... yeah |
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| 19:16.14 | GNUtoo | abraxa_, as i will buy the openmoko...i can also use it for that... |
| 19:16.22 | abraxa_ | Yup :) |
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| 19:25.40 | summatusmentis | have there been any efforts to set a release date for software? |
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| 20:14.49 | cb22 | stefan_schmidt: random question, are you related to Soren Schmidt at all? |
| 20:15.08 | stefan_schmidt | cb22: no |
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| 20:17.40 | XorA|gone | stefan_schmidt: but I bet you are related to many people why have left billions of dollars in secure accounts in 3rd world countries |
| 20:18.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4436 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/src/Makefile.am: opkg: fix remaining accidental commit |
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| 20:19.22 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: heh |
| 20:21.21 | mwester | I have no such luck with secure accounts. However, I *have* been personally selected by a deposed politician in Nigeria to help him recover his wealth. |
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| 20:21.43 | dnh | hello you guyes |
| 20:22.44 | dnh | anyone knows how you get freerunner hardware in qemu with mokomakefile? |
| 20:23.14 | mwester | dnh: you can only get neo1973 hardware emulation in qemu. |
| 20:23.47 | SpeedEvil | mwester: no - you need to build the matter replicator module. |
| 20:23.52 | SpeedEvil | Then you get the hardware. |
| 20:24.25 | dnh | speedevil how do you do that? |
| 20:24.51 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - it was not a serious comment.. |
| 20:25.29 | dnh | aha, now i get it |
| 20:26.42 | dnh | the guide says: Neo FreeRunner (GTA02) |
| 20:26.42 | dnh | The instructions for running the emulator are the same for FreeRunner, but the final command line to invoke qemu changes. Instead of "-M gta01" as the machine name "-M gta02fake" has to be used |
| 20:27.40 | dnh | how do i do this with the makefile? |
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| 20:41.08 | mmontour | Can anyone help with a failure in the git fetcher for linux-openmoko? http://www.pastebin.ca/1019412 |
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| 21:09.21 | SpeedEvil | wonders why tangogps seems to occasionally lose config. |
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| 21:45.14 | MetaMorfoziS | last quarter hour "before May 16." :) |
| 21:45.37 | CVirus | haha |
| 21:45.46 | MetaMorfoziS | (At my timezone!) |
| 21:45.47 | CVirus | it's May 16 here already |
| 21:45.53 | MetaMorfoziS | c-c |
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| 21:45.55 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
| 21:46.13 | CVirus | it's 45 minutes past May 16 |
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| 21:57.25 | linuxxr | lets just hope everything went well |
| 21:57.44 | linuxxr | somebody does know |
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| 21:58.00 | linuxxr | :) |
| 21:58.36 | linuxxr | y let the linux slinging begin |
| 22:00.18 | mwester | thinks OM should just collect a bunch of GTA01's and send them off to the too-eager can't-wait consumers... |
| 22:00.56 | SpeedEvil | I want a broken screen GTA01 to try adding wifi to. |
| 22:01.12 | mwester | By the time they arrive and someone realizes, there will have been time to do the GTA02 production *right* |
| 22:01.18 | SpeedEvil | I think I have a solution. |
| 22:01.25 | SpeedEvil | For internal wifi. |
| 22:01.39 | mwester | I just want the GSM to work. It's a phone, after all. |
| 22:01.43 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 22:02.26 | mwester | There's room above the display by the debug connector; that might work for a usb wireless device. |
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| 22:05.48 | SpeedEvil | There really isn't |
| 22:06.20 | mwester | :) Ok... |
| 22:06.23 | SpeedEvil | The earpiece gets in the way |
| 22:06.31 | mwester | so where else is there room? Battery? |
| 22:06.44 | SpeedEvil | I was thinking of deleting and replacing the GPS antenna |
| 22:06.48 | SpeedEvil | with a smaller one |
| 22:06.53 | SpeedEvil | And putting it there |
| 22:06.55 | mwester | Ah! |
| 22:07.13 | ScaredyCat | how do you 'delete' hardware? |
| 22:07.19 | mwester | It slides right out. |
| 22:07.21 | SpeedEvil | Wiresnips. |
| 22:07.31 | SpeedEvil | And hammers. |
| 22:07.52 | ewon | lasers. |
| 22:07.55 | mwester | It is a rather large space, most of that pcb is wasted (looks to exist only to secure the little ceramic antenna) |
| 22:08.19 | SpeedEvil | It's not completely simple. |
| 22:08.37 | SpeedEvil | It's quite probable that it'd end up with GPS only working when wifi was off. |
| 22:09.13 | mwester | Which is not an unreasonable compromise, if one considers. |
| 22:11.02 | madwoota | not being able to use both together also ensures a battery life of > 30 minutes :P |
| 22:11.50 | SpeedEvil | It's not _quite_ that bad |
| 22:12.07 | SpeedEvil | But, yes, it has an impact. |
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| 22:26.53 | linuxxr | call fic an find out for us |
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| 22:40.50 | tessier_ | Today is the last day before May 16th. Hope the phone is in production. :) |
| 22:41.33 | rtm | Actually, it's May 16th in China now. They must be shooting off the assembly line by the tens of thousands. |
| 22:41.39 | tessier_ | Surely. |
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| 22:51.19 | CVirus | we hope |
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| 22:54.42 | SpeedEvil | Where in china is this plant? |
| 22:54.53 | SpeedEvil | It's quite far I hope from the recent quake? |
| 22:55.19 | rtm | My impression is that most of the manufacturing of this type occurs near the coast. |
| 22:58.16 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2007/06/15/#20070615-gta01-factory-trip - should be the same for GTA02, I'd say |
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| 23:23.49 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:24.00 | mickeyl | wonders about broken XMLRPC |
| 23:24.05 | mickeyl | CIA-44: is your daddy dead? |
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