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00:02.40wurp2|awaythos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008
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00:12.41webjamesi'm having some problems here is the output: http://dpaste.com/40269/
00:13.07webjamesi'm using ubuntu 8.04 with qemu 0.91 and mokomakefile
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00:15.13webjamesthis is the error, openmoko/flash.sh: line 96: kill: (-3688) - No such process
00:15.51webjamesi'm not sure if it's just a missing dependency. but i have installed all the packages recommended on the wiki
00:17.16webjamesSpeedEvil, how come you say april for freerunner?
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00:18.43dcordessomebody know which package provides the "simple" theme selector?
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00:20.49dcordeswhere you can only select the desired gtk theme in a drop down list?
00:23.20webjamesi don't know, sorry. perhaps http://projects.openmoko.org/ will tell you
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00:59.08peter_harrisonsorry for the delay, I'm running on a GTA01. It was advertised as a GTA01D, but I have not seen a GTA01D.
00:59.36peter_harrisonThe reason I want USB host is because I'm making a robot, and want to control it using PhidgetServo.
01:00.56peter_harrisonTo see what I have got going so far: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ab8tF5bYF-k
01:02.54mjrNeat. SpeedEvil is making a UAV ;]
01:03.16dcordesmjr, no rly?
01:04.00mjryeah, for quick and handy aerial photography
01:04.14CIA-17openmoko: 03werner * r4229 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/wait-for-power-DONTUSE.patch: (log message trimmed)
01:04.14CIA-17openmoko: wait-for-power-DONTUSE.patch:
01:04.14CIA-17openmoko: - drivers/misc/pcf50633.c (pcf50633_adc_read, pcf50633_read_charger_type):
01:04.14CIA-17openmoko:  applied the rest of Matt's 3.6V threshold changes
01:04.16CIA-17openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (wait_for_power): added threshold checking, as
01:04.20CIA-17openmoko:  suggested by Matt
01:04.22CIA-17openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (wait_for_power, poll_charger): look for the
01:04.50mjr(anyway, don't know about the use host aside from it reportedly having at least been initialized for some)
01:04.58mjrs/use/usb/
01:06.36peter_harrisonOPenmoko is a great platform for robotics - cheap, low power, runs linux, built in radio and gps. Everything one needs :)
01:07.46peter_harrisonOne question - in USB host mode will the Neo accept a charge if the power lines are powered by +5v?
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01:08.20peter_harrisonI was assuming this would work, but usually if you are a host you provide the power.
01:09.09peter_harrisonON the OpenMoko it doesn't because it is USB 1.0 - but that is okay if it can charge while also in host mode.
01:09.20mjrmy current educated impression is that for gta01, this works, but as gta02 has its own 100mA power output in host mode, I'm not so sure; there was some discussion on the lists whether host mode and power input/output could be separately controlled but I don't know where that ended up
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01:10.51peter_harrisonfrom a robotics point of view the GTA02 providing power - but not charging - would be a issue. Lucky I have a GTA01 !
01:11.03mjrindeed
01:11.40peter_harrisonPS: Do you change to host mode the same way that the Wiki says, or has it changed?
01:11.56mjr'course, do you need the usb host spesifically or would some gpios suffice? ;]
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01:12.57peter_harrisongpios? forgive the ignorance, I was just aiming to set things up like they are on my laptop, which I know works.
01:13.16peter_harrisonThe laptop is a host, and accepts the phidgetservo.
01:13.25peter_harrisonThere is no kernel space driver.
01:13.41peter_harrisonI just have a library to call which does the comms in user space.
01:13.54mjrgeneral purpose io... oh, you have a prefabbed usb gadget for the thingy
01:14.02peter_harrisonyep.
01:14.11mjrwell you probably want usb then ;)
01:14.18peter_harrisonYep :)
01:14.54peter_harrisonI'm more concerned about programming and AI than the low level hardware interfaces.
01:17.02mjrhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#USB_Host indicates that it "should" be possible to get outside power while in host mode also for the Freerunner, which would be nice for these kinds of things. However I don't know if that's up-to-date.
01:19.46mjrconsidering gta01s will be in low supply and all
01:20.20peter_harrisonI will keep everyone up to date with progress. I will be doing a video of the first voyage :)
01:23.37mjrGood luck with that :]
01:24.30mjrspeaking of ad-hoc robotics, in my department (of cs at uni of Helsinki) there are courses featuring roombas with bluetooth remote controls and an attached wlan-connected camera phone for video.
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01:24.52dcordes_can somebody tell me how to select gtk theme in openmoko :) ?
01:24.55mjrWe have students racing their programs (which run on desktop boxes in the same room)
01:25.05dcordes_(yes I googled+searched wiki)
01:27.29mwesterdcordes_:  There is no built-in GUI for that AFAIK.
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01:28.33dcordes_mwester, I sure have seen a program which only had a gtk window and a box where you could select the theme
01:29.04dcordes_mwester, I don't need a gui at all though - how can I select it manually?
01:29.11mwesterOk, it's not part of the standard package so it must be an add-on.  Did you check the projects site?
01:29.20dcordes_not really
01:29.39dcordes_but if I can select it manually doesn't really matter
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01:30.38mjrgoes to sleep
01:32.41dcordes_mwester, can only find themes on project site, not theme selector
01:33.47mwesterI would expect that the technique to change themes would be the same as for other desktops.
01:35.56dcordes_mwester, you mean gconf?
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01:48.22dcordes_mwester, hmm gcontool-2 wants dbus something
01:55.17XorAmorning
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01:58.05dcordes_XorA, morning
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01:58.18dcordes_you in .tw?
01:59.16mohamedhi all, I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and I'm trying to build openmoko but this error occurs http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60249/
01:59.24mohamedany help?
02:02.42XorAdcordes_: yes
02:03.19Kensanmohamed: you are missing git.
02:03.20XorAhates people that ask a question then immediately quit
02:03.28dcordes_XorA, not working for wolfson anymore?
02:03.29Kensantoo
02:03.46XorAdcordes_: I worked for OpenMoko since Oct last year
02:04.33dcordes_XorA, nice are you completely in tw or jus temp.?
02:04.57XorAdcordes_: only 2 weeks in .tw, Im not mad enough to leave Scotland yet :-)
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02:08.40dcordes_XorA, so you do some freerunner marathon over there?
02:09.03XorAmy freerunner was stolen to test some GSM bugs, so no
02:09.43dcordes_ok maybe you can help me: I have a problem with qvga theming. do you know how to set the gtk theme manually in a 'normal' openmoko-image?
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02:13.02dcordes_XorA, my today screen looks like this http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3pe2.png
02:13.31XorAdcordes_: wow
02:13.44XorAlooks like matchbox crashed
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02:14.20dcordes_matchbox-window-manager?
02:17.19XorAyes
02:17.41mwesterIs that with the bleeding edge build?
02:17.53dcordes_XorA, starting it shows up a blue gtk theme around the running window
02:17.58dcordes_mwester, yep today's build
02:18.16dcordes_htcblueangel with custom kernel. but image is completely 'standard'
02:18.22XorAis not sure what "todays" build is, OE.dev runs fine on my GTA01 :-)
02:19.01dcordes_XorA, blueangel is a qvga machine
02:19.11mwesterOk.  If nobody bumped the sane-srcrev for openmoko-theme-standard2, there was a syntax error in the version of the theme.xml file selected.
02:19.22dcordes_http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1283
02:19.26XorAdcordes_: well so is Motorola EZX and images I think work on that
02:20.50dcordes_sometimes, after a xserver-nodm restart, the blue window decorations appear directly, sometimes not
02:22.44XorAhmm, looks like for QVGA something in matchbox packaging goes wrong for openmoko
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02:27.45KensanHow can I tell bitbake t package additional filess? (I am getting: "files were installed but not shipped in any package")
02:29.28Marcel_MKensan: FILES_${PN} += "/usr/weirdpath/importantfile.foo"
02:29.45dcordes_XorA, I gues openmoko-theme-standard2-qvga or its depends have some issues
02:30.13XorAdcordes_: most likely, QVGA requires the community to fix it, I dont think there is bandwidth inside the company at the moment
02:30.20XorAand a lack of QVGA devices as well
02:30.25KensanMarcel_M: brilliant, thanks :)
02:30.33dcordes_XorA, somebody stole a780? :)
02:30.47Marcel_MKensan: you are welcome
02:31.24dcordes_I will try and replace qvga with normal theme just for fun of it
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02:35.32dcordes_wtf this resized the icons
02:35.42dcordes_I thought *icon-theme* takes care of those?
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03:39.29wurp2|awaykdean06: So what's the final verdict?  Does sound work on the 3/19 build?
03:40.07tick35kdean06:  I think so
03:42.53wurp2|awaytick35: OK, I'm confused - are you answering me, or continuing a prior conversation with kdean06 ?
03:43.14tick35:P
03:43.17tick35I am sorry
03:43.45tick35I must be blind ~_~ I saw the wrong name.
03:44.08wurp2|awaynp
03:44.13wurp2|awayJust making sure :-)
03:44.13tick35wurp2|away:  I am answer you that, I think sound works
03:44.19wurp2|awayawesome, thanks!
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03:44.46wurp2|awayI know kdean06 (the guy who does the reviews) had audio crap out on him for that build on his 3rd reboot or so
03:45.04wurp2|awaydunno if he isolated it to some other issue, or rebooted again and it was ok, or what
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03:52.05mellhenHELP? kernel-panic on hx4700. things i have done before:
03:52.38mellhen1Compiling openmoko for hx4700 (full log http://www.file-upload.net/download-738006/--make-openmoko-devel-image2.html)
03:53.58mellhen2 Booting with HARET and Angstrom zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin)
03:56.19mellhenopenmoko uses kernel 2.6.21-hh20-r14_hx4700 but newest zImage is 2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700. Could there be the error?
03:57.18XorAwurp2|away: sound should be working, I fixed the core problem a few days ago
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04:01.43wurp2|awayXorA: Thanks!
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05:28.49kdean06wurp2|away, I rebooted after that failed time and it's been working fine since then. In fact, it's signifigantly more clear than the 28 Feb 2008 image so I'd suggest using it. :)
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06:50.48CIA-17openmoko: 03werner * r4230 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/console-ansi.patch: (log message trimmed)
06:50.48CIA-17openmoko: From: andrzej zaborowski <balrogg@gmail.com>
06:50.48CIA-17openmoko: That could be an image too big ( > 60MB) but isn't in this case. Qemu
06:50.48CIA-17openmoko: tracked it down to a memory corruption in latest u-boot. Attached
06:50.48CIA-17openmoko: u-boot patch should help (inlined for viewing).
06:50.52CIA-17openmoko: console-ansi.patch:
06:50.54CIA-17openmoko: - drivers/video/cfb_console.c (process_sequence): memsetl size is in words, not
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07:15.18Hopscotchgood morning
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07:43.50ScaredyCatthos: ping
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07:44.53XorAScaredyCat: yes, more people to hate on thos :-)
07:46.07ScaredyCatnaa, just wondered if he'd seen my comment earlier...
07:46.20ScaredyCatiirc he was playing with the icons
07:46.35ScaredyCatbut the makefile isbroken for the stock ones
07:46.55ScaredyCatbecause either it had the wrong filenams, or he forgot to commit them
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07:47.45XorAScaredyCat: that was why I was hating on him :-)
07:47.57ScaredyCatoh..
07:48.22ScaredyCatwll, if i fixed it for myself, you should be able to without even thinking :)
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07:59.27XorAScaredyCat: ${AUTOREV}-1 :-)
07:59.52ScaredyCatwell, no I just edited the makefile :)
08:00.46XorAIve spent all day merging the OM mtn into OE.dev
08:00.48ScaredyCatwouldn't that make you -1 versio behind for everythign?
08:01.05ScaredyCatsounds like fun...
08:01.05XorAScaredyCat:  no, it wouldnt actually work at all :-)
08:01.14XorAmeld is good :-)
08:01.34ScaredyCatmmm... that seems pretty poor...
08:02.07XorAwhy poor?
08:02.15ScaredyCatno translation...
08:02.28ScaredyCat$(( it and it works?
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08:03.26ScaredyCatlet's see if this puppy boots
08:04.06XorAScaredyCat: can you provide a diff for that Makefile, I can put that straight in svn
08:04.46ScaredyCaterrm...
08:04.57ScaredyCatI have rm_work turned on
08:05.11ScaredyCatbut it is an easy fix...
08:05.40ScaredyCat${OMDIR}/build/tmp/work/all-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-0.1.0+svnr4226-r1/icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/
08:06.08ScaredyCatthe makefile.am in there, remove all the icons that aren't in the stock dir...
08:06.25ScaredyCatie most of them except the ones with moko in the title
08:06.30ScaredyCatat the end of the list
08:07.23XorAwill try and look at that later
08:07.38XorAlets see if I have busted image builds completely
08:08.55ScaredyCatsuspects so ;)
08:11.56ScaredyCatmight sound like a silly question...
08:12.14ScaredyCatbut why aren't contacts sorted alphabetically ?
08:13.25ScaredyCat:o new button on dialer
08:13.40ScaredyCats/dialer/answerer/
08:17.39XorAScaredyCat: I know nothing about the pimlico apps
08:18.02ScaredyCatpimlico ?
08:19.02ScaredyCatongah!
08:19.24ScaredyCatthey removed the aux button completely... :/
08:19.54XorAScaredyCat: yeah, that needs to be fixed, and pimlico is the OH PIM apps that OM ones are based on
08:20.07ScaredyCatahh ok...
08:20.17ScaredyCat!ombug 1280
08:20.19cdbot2* * Bug 1280, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown
08:20.20cdbot2* * lukas.gorris(AT)gmx.de: qvga themes/icons do not build due to sed problem
08:20.21cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1280
08:20.25ScaredyCat!ombug 1282
08:20.25cdbot2* * Bug 1282, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown
08:20.26cdbot2* * will(AT)openmoko.com: Remove rotate display option
08:20.27cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1282
08:21.05ScaredyCatthey removed the entire menu to get rid of one option!
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08:21.12ScaredyCatsobs
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08:21.32XorAScaredyCat: Im not sure of the logic behind that
08:21.51XorAScaredyCat: feel free to re-open that bug and point out GTA01 is crippled by that change
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08:22.19ScaredyCatWell, we're lucky he aint a doctor... "I'm sorry sir, you have a slight cut on your toe, we'll have to remove the leg"
08:22.47XorAShe
08:27.09ScaredyCatShe / He / it
08:27.26ScaredyCatI still don;t want my leg cut off :)
08:28.00cdbot2* * OM Bug 1284 has been created by scaredycat(AT)automated.it
08:28.03cdbot2* * Contacts are not sorted.
08:28.05cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1284
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08:28.43TRIsoftmorning
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08:41.00torporwhats up gang?
08:41.06torpor<--- still building building building .
08:41.30torporRunning task 2588 of 5373
08:41.56ScaredyCatare you using om or oe dev ?
08:41.58XorAis building two images at once and killing this poor machine
08:42.03torporom
08:42.06ScaredyCat[2008-03-20 07:59:41] <XorA> Ive spent all day merging the OM mtn into OE.dev
08:42.16torporto be honest ScaredyCat i'm really not sure of the differences.
08:42.17ScaredyCatyou might want to start again
08:42.25torporwhat, why?
08:42.36torpori don't get it to be honest.
08:42.43torpori just want a stable caught-up build system image.
08:42.47ScaredyCatoe.dev is the latest stuff, om is the 'safe' stuff
08:42.52torporwhats with all these freakin' changes that makes things borked?
08:43.03torporokay how do i switch from om to oe.dev, with mokomakefile?
08:43.26rwhitbymake update-bleeding-edge
08:43.53torporok then what?
08:43.58ScaredyCat:o rwhitby!
08:44.01rwhitbythen proceed as normal
08:44.04torporok
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08:44.08torpordoing that now then.
08:44.18torporhopefully i can get back to apps-writing on the weekend, sheesh ..
08:44.53rwhitbyisn't there a stable SDK now?
08:45.14ScaredyCatafaik it doesn't build
08:45.17rwhitbyhas two dead GTA01s which won't charge anything, so has not been following closely ...
08:45.23ScaredyCat:O
08:45.56torporrwhitby: i have one dead gta01 just like that too.  what shall we do?
08:48.27torporso, can i get a yes/no:   make update-bleeding-edge && make openmoko-devel-image
08:48.30torpor\?
08:49.19rwhitbythat's what I'd do if I wanted an oe.dev image
08:49.23ScaredyCathrmm, we thought you had
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08:49.51torporbut this will work and will be safe and i can happily continue to hack away once its done, right?
08:50.05ScaredyCatsafe?
08:50.20torporalso: where is the latest 'good fun' image to put on my gta01 in the meantime?  scaredy you still got a published image, or is there another one out there with all the bells and whistles which someone might sugest?
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08:50.28ScaredyCatwell if rwhitby is telling you how to use his makefile to switch, then that's safe
08:50.34torporsafe as in i won't have to stop it and start it again in 8 hours ..
08:50.45ScaredyCatthe actual build, there are never any guarentees
08:50.49rwhitbytorpor: you'll always need to do that, it's OpenEmbedded ...
08:50.51ScaredyCatfor oe.dev or om
08:51.13torporah
08:51.14ScaredyCattorpor: I still build..
08:51.17torporok
08:51.30ScaredyCatthe one on my buildhost form yesterday is good, running on mine now
08:51.34torporcoz i want to put a new image on my gta01 and get back to experimenting with it ..
08:51.38ScaredyCathttp://buildhost.automated.it/
08:51.46torporthanks
08:51.50torpori'll check it out now ..
08:52.09ScaredyCatit eve has an incoming ring :)
08:52.10XorAOE.dev is probably broken
08:52.12ScaredyCateven
08:52.22torporwhats that?
08:52.27torporXorA: why?
08:52.40ScaredyCat!!!
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09:08.05CIA-17openmoko: 03werner * r4231 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/mknor:
09:08.05CIA-17openmoko: <johncylee> wpwrak: that's true... heh, you used uboot=$1 in mknor but still
09:08.05CIA-17openmoko: +use $1 after it
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09:50.21CIA-17openmoko: 03thomas * r4232 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/ (101 files): icons: add missing 22x22 stock icons
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09:54.10thosScaredyCat, that should fix it
09:54.13thosScaredyCat, I hope
09:54.32ScaredyCat:)
09:54.45ScaredyCatwhat are they used for ?
09:54.48ScaredyCatthose icons
09:55.08thosScaredyCat, which ones?
09:55.12thosScaredyCat, 22x22?
09:55.14ScaredyCatyes
09:55.19thosqvga
09:55.25ScaredyCatoh...
09:55.35thosdcordes_ asked about a qvga theme
09:55.40thoswhich I said was unnesaccary
09:55.42ScaredyCatnot really an issue then
09:58.25thoswe need to find an artist willing to draw a nice theme for openmoko
09:58.28thoshrm
09:58.36thoss/artist/good artist
10:00.24xcasexthos email alberto@cored.org for samples of hsi work :)
10:00.41thosxcasex, for free?
10:01.16ScaredyCathe has some stuff on the wiki iirc
10:01.18ScaredyCatit's god
10:01.21ScaredyCatgood
10:02.13thosnot impressed by the website
10:02.52XorAwe want Geiger icons :-)
10:03.26xcasexthos, he's an artist. what do you expect, for it to suit your taste? ;) look at the detour & detroit themes :)
10:03.40xcasexi'm sure raster will vouch for him as well
10:03.47thoser
10:03.58thosI don't think any vouch from raster will imrpove my impression
10:04.08xcasextssk.
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10:04.15XorAhe cant use mencoder anyway :-)
10:04.33xcasexanything better then the current theme, is a vast improvement :p
10:04.53thosxcasex, yeah, we could all use default GTK+ theme
10:04.59XorABoris Valejero :-)
10:05.00thosblindlingly fast
10:05.25ScaredyCatEdwin McTavish
10:05.31thosgosh, enlightenment does make me laugh
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10:05.39thos"General Settings - Framerate" WTF
10:05.47xcasexthos i love it ;)
10:06.01xcasexthos but enough trolling though.
10:06.17thoswaits for the go-faster stripes
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10:06.39xcasexi think alberto is a good interface designer, and i consider that approaching him for a mockup might be a good move.
10:06.50thosalberto who?
10:07.16xcasexalberto castro
10:07.28thosdiscovers text-as-images in this cored.org - BALETED
10:08.01zashFAIL
10:08.12thosah that's the word these days
10:08.27xcasexthos, even so, interface designer, not xhtml/css designer :)
10:08.36thosxcasex, uh
10:08.38xcasexhe's been wanting me to redo that site forever.
10:08.38thosxcasex, no
10:08.47thosxcasex, interface designers understand a11y
10:08.54xcasexthey do?
10:08.56xcasexwow.
10:08.58thosthey *should*
10:09.00xcasexthat's new :)
10:09.05thosotherwise they're going to be pretty poor
10:09.22xcasexthos, the world outside of OSS is so far from understand uxd how can you even expect them to grasp axy ?
10:09.44thosxcasex, ?
10:09.47xcasex*understading
10:09.54thosxcasex, I know interaction designers
10:10.00xcasexthos: i educate them :)
10:10.07thosright...
10:10.12xcasexhaha :)
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10:10.24thoswith your crazy gothic styles
10:10.26thoshmm
10:10.55xcasexmy crazy gothic styles?
10:11.01xcasexthat's his design
10:11.06thosi've seen your websites!
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10:11.17xcasexmy site is still over at blog.asystemapart.com :p
10:11.23xcasexbrb
10:15.29zashsemitransparent background + fixed background = bad
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10:23.26xcasexback
10:23.46xcasexthos, really though, gothic is a niiice style ;D
10:23.59XorAtoo many goths in OpenMoko
10:25.40thosxcasex, well, feel free to get started on "neo underworld"
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10:28.40xcasexthos, oh. i'm not touching that with a ten foot pole.
10:28.48xcasexanyway, bbiab 1h gotta mount up a sideboard.
10:29.16torporanyone gotten usb host working on the neo1973 yet?
10:29.22torpori wanna do that soon ..
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10:36.07Marcel_Mtorpor: hi usb-host work fine here
10:36.20torporMarcel_M: did you follow the guide on the wiki to build the cable, or .. ?
10:36.48Marcel_Myes i made me a 3headed cable
10:36.55torpori gotta do that
10:37.23Marcel_Mits supersimple
10:37.57Marcel_Mtorpor: http://celtune.morb-design.com/powered_usb_cable-1.jpg
10:38.08Marcel_Mhttp://celtune.morb-design.com/powered_usb_cable-2.jpg
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10:38.34torporcool thanks marc
10:38.44torpori'm going to build that cable and then add a midi interface to my neo .. ;)
10:39.04Marcel_Mtorpor: great!
10:40.00Marcel_Mbtw usb-host mode should work with every newer kernel this one is tested with usb-host mode http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.24+svnr4194-r4165-r3-neo1973.bin
10:41.25torporcool
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12:17.16CIA-17openmoko: opkg: Fix md5 sum on big endian systems.
12:17.16CIA-17openmoko:  Patch from Jeremy Lainé <jeremy laine bolloretelecom eu>
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12:31.13mellhenHELP? I have written a short letter to avoid SPAM in this channel: http://www.file-upload.net/download-738393/hx4700.html I would be very pleased, if sb could help me to resolve the "Freeing init memory: 84K"
12:31.21playyathe htc magician is called vpa compact IV/V in the vodafone shop?
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12:38.01cdbot2* * OM Bug 1285 has been created by andy(AT)openmoko.com
12:38.02cdbot2* * WLAN stability issue with WPA
12:38.04cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1285
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12:56.21PBeckhi
12:57.08fredtheca1Hi
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13:24.23mellhenhi
13:25.00nezza-_-hi
13:25.24mellhenwhat is an irc for, when nb is talking to each other?
13:27.13fredtheca1mellhen: it gives us the opportunity to do so should we wish... what's on your mind?
13:27.44fredtheca1Is anyone actively using Perl with Openmoko?
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13:34.54ScaredyCatirc isn't always instant...
13:35.11ScaredyCatyou can ping people, ask questions and get the answers later...
13:35.20mellhenok
13:35.58mellhenbut who is looking up the whole text to find questions users have written houers before?
13:36.25nezza-_-mellhen: if you dont like it, dont use it.. it seems to work
13:36.27rwhitbypeople usually wait until a question is asked before answering
13:36.47mellhen:)
13:37.31rwhitbyand if you're lucky, only those who actually know the answer will respond :-)
13:37.42mellhenso how it is passible to advise sb on my question?
13:37.52mellhenok
13:38.04rwhitbydon't ask to ask, just ask.
13:38.54mellhenok my question is in this letter (http://www.fileupload.net/download-738393/hx4700.html)
13:40.05rwhitbya one line plain text summary in the channel is usually the way people start ...
13:40.51rwhitby(as opposed to pointing to a document that no longer exists on a site that bombards you with advertising ...)
13:40.52nezza-_-The document you requested was not found. May we suggest our home page?
13:42.43mellhenOk ill try plain text. (but first the link again: http://www.file-upload.net/download-738006/--make-openmoko-devel-image2.html )
13:42.52ScaredyCatmellhen:
13:42.55ScaredyCat!logs
13:42.55cdbot2Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at:
13:42.56cdbot2http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko
13:42.57cdbot2Live-logs are available at
13:42.58cdbot2http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog
13:43.03cdbot2See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
13:43.11nezza-_-mellhen: what is your question?
13:43.18ScaredyCatpeople look at the logs, fill in the wiki etc
13:43.28nezza-_-nobody wants to read some text without knowing whats the topic
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13:44.19rwhitbyis wary of being pointed to a file download site (which could be serving up any executable to him) just to see a question ...
13:44.19ScaredyCatis it SFW ?
13:44.33nezza-_-and instead of an fileupload service you could use something like http://nopaste.snit.ch/
13:44.51mellhenyes thats right i will try to improve my proceeding
13:45.17mellheni noticed taht this was the wrong link ;( shame on me sry
13:45.49fredtheca1mellhen: what's the question?
13:46.03nezza-_-post your question, paste the link to a nopaste with the log and THEN somebody MAYBE will help you
13:46.26rwhitbynotices "make" but looses patience when someone can't ask a question within 20 minutes ...
13:46.48rwhitbynight all
13:47.02nezza-_-rwhitby: ack. n8
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13:48.10mellhenill short the letter and paste it here one moment
13:48.20mellhengn8
13:48.23mellhenThe compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel.
13:48.23mellhenI booted wi
13:48.27nezza-_-mellhen: and please.. ask a FUCKING QUESTION
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13:48.53mellhenI want to boot openmoko on my hx4700.
13:48.53mellhenThe compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel.
13:48.53mellhenI booted with haret-0.5.1 and zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700.bin.
13:48.53mellhenWith this zImage the "boot-process" stops very early with "Freeing init memory: 84K" even before booting the kernel.
13:48.53mellhenWhen i use an older zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin) i got a kernel-panic. But it boots the kernel and hangs later on.
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13:50.49mellhenhow to resolve the "Freeing init memory issue"?
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13:51.46rwhitbystopping at that point usually means that the rootfs can't be loaded for some reason.
13:51.53rwhitbyare you a kernel hacker?
13:52.32mellhenno, realy ia am an "advanced" user with bad english-knowledge and wordstock
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13:53.00rwhitbydon't worry about your english - it's bound to be 100% better than me trying to speak in your native tongue.
13:53.26mellhenso you are a native speaker in english?
13:53.42rwhitbyhas anyone else been successful in booting openmoko on the hx4700, or are you the first to try it?
13:53.44mellhenok back to the topic
13:53.58rwhitbyI speak Australian - some say that it sounds a bit like English :-)
13:54.31ScaredyCatonly in america ;)
13:54.33mellhenok thats not english. a friend stays in australia at this moment ^^
13:55.04mellhenagain back to topic
13:55.45rwhitbyis not able to help futher with hx4700 kernel debugging.
13:55.46mellhen@rhwhitby : so maybe the zImage is broken?
13:56.05mellhenI want to boot openmoko on my hx4700.
13:56.05mellhenThe compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel.
13:56.05mellhenI booted with haret-0.5.1 and zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700.bin.
13:56.05mellhenWith this zImage the "boot-process" stops very early with "Freeing init memory: 84K" even before booting the kernel.
13:56.05mellhenWhen i use an older zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin) i got a kernel-panic. But it boots the kernel and hangs later on.
13:56.10mellhensry
13:56.24mellheni cant handle this ficking irc-client
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13:59.22mellhenis anyone here using the hx4700 with openmoko, who would be so kind to give me zImage and rootfs?
13:59.36dcordesmellhen, with which DISTRO = "?" in your conf/local.conf did you build the hh kernel?
14:00.05mellhenone moment
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14:01.05mellhenMACHINE = "hx4700"
14:01.05mellhenDISTRO = "openmoko"
14:01.05mellhenBUILD_ARCH = "i686"
14:01.05mellhenINHERIT += "rm_work"
14:02.40mellhenid try to do it like here http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012734.html and here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile discribed
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14:07.55dcordesmellhen, are you sure hx47 works in r14?
14:08.48mellhendcordes: i dont understand the whole question
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14:09.11mellhendcordes: do you mean in comparison to the r6 ?
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14:10.37dcordesmellhen, yes
14:11.24dcordesyou could also try building with hh19 or just compile hh kernel manually and install it into om rootfs
14:11.44thosdcordes, there was an error in the icon theme
14:11.48thosdcordes, i've fixed it now
14:12.05mellhendcordes: i realy dont know how to.
14:13.11dcordesthos, are you referring to merge of 22x22 into normal icon package or to 1283 ?
14:13.25thosdcordes, the merge
14:13.33thosdcordes, I forgot to svn add the stock icons last night :-)
14:13.53dcordesmellhen, http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel <- just replace htcuniversal with hx4700
14:14.20mellhendcordes: it was the first time ever i compiled an image. But copy and paste some lines isnt realy difficult.
14:14.28mellhenok thx
14:14.31dcordesthos, ok. I still wonder how ui will decide to select 22x22 instead of the bigger ones.
14:14.40thosdcordes, the theme chooses
14:14.51dcordesmellhen, for manual hh.org kernel building it's the same ;)
14:15.12dcordesthos, ok somebody seriously has to cope with openmoko-standard-theme2-qvga then
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14:15.34dcordesunfortunately I hear om inc has no bandwith for this :(
14:17.53dcordesso if somebody has a heart for qvga ppl check 1283 :)
14:18.16ScaredyCatpfft
14:18.41ScaredyCatwhere's that icon guy gone
14:18.48mellhendcordes: i am familiar with linux only for a short time. ill try it. but i think ill fail to do the compiling ...
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14:20.30ScaredyCathttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork
14:22.00dcordesmellhen, what's that :) ?
14:22.48dcordesScaredyCat, those icons look very nice
14:23.03ScaredyCatindeed ...
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14:23.21ScaredyCatif he would do a whole them... mmmmm
14:23.26ScaredyCattheme
14:23.55mellhendcordes: what do you mean?
14:24.10mellhendcordes: maybe a smily?
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14:50.04donanyone know of a spot I can get more upto date information?
14:50.13SpeedEvilon?
14:50.24donI'm specifically looking for timetables.
14:50.31thoshaha
14:50.35donI know I know
14:50.46SpeedEvilmaybe a month or two
14:50.53thosmaybe three
14:50.55thoswho knows :-)
14:50.59donI have been hearing that since last summer
14:51.08donthe wait is killing me
14:51.09thosbut the v5 prototype is nice
14:51.15SpeedEvilThe 'final' version of freerunner is supposed to be coming
14:51.20SpeedEvilreal soon now.
14:51.22thosit actually works
14:51.27donthat is what I am waiting for
14:51.35lu_zeroSpeedEvil good
14:51.36lu_zerowhen?
14:51.41thosplus doesn't have the battery dead problem the gta01 has
14:51.51donthe information updates are pretty sparse
14:52.00SpeedEvilthos: the gta01 doesn't really have that problem - it's a software thing.
14:52.19nezza-_-SpeedEvil: dont think so. as i know its a hardware problem
14:52.21SpeedEvillu_zero: a week or two - for the preproduction test items as I understand it
14:52.34lu_zerohow to apply to get one?
14:52.36SpeedEvilnezza-_-: it's not - it can be worked round ust fine in software
14:52.46SpeedEvillu_zero: site isn't open for purchase yet
14:52.50donright but the there is the production... shipping... maybe 09?
14:52.54lu_zeroI have some people that want it for a project asap
14:53.04SpeedEvildon: shouldn't be 09
14:53.14nezza-_-SpeedEvil: can you give me more infos?
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14:53.30SpeedEvilnezza-_-: no - there have been no timetables published.
14:53.38SpeedEvilnezza-_-: just a drip of leaked info.
14:53.38donI know but the drop dead date was November 07
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14:53.41donthen December
14:53.45donthen Jan
14:53.50donthen spring 08
14:53.52SpeedEvilHardware problems.
14:53.53mwesterYep, but they didn't drop dead.
14:53.57nezza-_-don: it seems like it will be released at the end of april
14:53.58donI know
14:54.16donheard it before
14:54.17SpeedEvilnot in consumer ready form - but probably
14:54.23mwesterSo it seems there's more flex in the schedule than thought.  The answer seems to be "it will ship when it is ready"
14:54.27nezza-_-http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html (sorry its in german)
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14:54.33donand a good policy
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14:54.40donbut I want it!!!!
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14:58.33donSO the free runner will be released at the end of April but openmoko won't be consumer ready?
14:58.47SpeedEvilyes - probably
14:58.53SpeedEvilcertainly to the second
14:59.14SpeedEvilExpect a working phone/SMS tool, most of the time with most images IMO.
15:00.20donMy verizon contract expired in December so I'm sitting here waiting for this thing...
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15:01.10mjrget a gsm contract and a cheapass phone
15:01.35madwootawhats he need a new phone for?
15:01.45madwootacontract expired, not the service
15:01.45madwootaheh
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15:07.45CIA-17openmoko: 03thomas * r4236 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/dialer-main.c):
15:07.45CIA-17openmoko: 2008-03-20 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
15:07.45CIA-17openmoko:  * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (main): Set a widget name on the dial pad
15:07.45CIA-17openmoko:  for theming
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15:13.32CIA-17openmoko: 03thomas * r4237 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/: openmoko-dialer: bring in libhito
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15:15.13donMy phone is half working.
15:15.43donVerizon forced an update to my phone that corrupted some hacks I had in place. I haven't been able to fix.
15:17.33fredthecatWhat is the feeling regarding the discussions about the GSM connections bouncing/SIM compatibility?  Might it require new GSM firmware?
15:18.37SpeedEvilWorks for me.
15:18.41SpeedEvilMoko1
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15:19.11SpeedEvilI wonder how many people it affects.
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15:21.08CIA-17openmoko: 03thomas * r4238 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg.h opkg_download.c): opkg: remove some "#if 0" code
15:21.14thomasg_yeah, had no problem with moko1 at all
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15:32.30edistarhey! can anyone help me? no matter which DISTRO I set in my local.conf bitbake always bakes for angstrom.. and of course I want openmoko.. any tips?
15:34.43ScaredyCatisn't openmoko just a set of overrides for the standard angstrom distro
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15:35.22ScaredyCatrequire conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc
15:35.22ScaredyCatrequire conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc
15:36.55edistarScaredyCat: I have both those files
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15:37.06ScaredyCatyes, you should...
15:37.35edistarScaredyCat: where do I set the requires?
15:37.37ScaredyCatwhat I'm saying is that 'openmoko' is just angstrom with some variations
15:37.51ScaredyCatmainly source paths etc
15:38.20ScaredyCatlook at ${OMDIR}/openembedded/conf/distro/openmoko.conf
15:39.26edistarScaredyCat: would 'ls build/tmp' give my anstrom as result if I was successfully building with DISTRO=openmoko?
15:40.17edistarScaredyCat: openmoko.conf has the two lines in it
15:40.17ScaredyCatdoesn it?
15:40.41edistarls build/tmp outputs 'angstrom'
15:40.56edistarScaredyCat: I thought it had to output 'openmoko'
15:41.24ScaredyCatI don;t have angstom in my build/tmp and I build 'openmoko;
15:41.58edistarScaredyCat: also if I set DISTRO="angstrom-2008.1
15:42.15edistarthen it also says DISTRO=angstrom
15:42.23ScaredyCatMACHINE = "fic-gta01"
15:42.23ScaredyCatDISTRO = "openmoko
15:42.29ScaredyCatis in my config
15:42.52ScaredyCatdo you mean in the image filenames>
15:42.53ScaredyCat?
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15:43.18edistarScaredyCat: http://nopaste.org/p/aj8CwZM3v this is my local.conf
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15:44.07DavieyHi, I've got a neo1973 here that i can't switch on, or is detected when i plug it in via usb.. am i being daft?
15:44.42dnearymickeyl: Ping?
15:44.46`pwgen`Daviey: empty battery ?
15:44.51mjrunplug, remove the battery for half a minute or so, plug in, _wait_ several hours to be sure, try to turn on
15:45.06Daviey`pwgen`: Isn't the usb cable there to charge it?
15:45.19Davieymjr: oh ok
15:45.45mjrthe battery removal ensures that there's no component on there to eat up all the juice from the trickle charge before it reaches the battery
15:45.48`pwgen`Daviey: if the battery is too empty it can not drive the usb to be detected and do fast charge
15:46.03Davieyahh
15:46.10edistarScaredyCat: when I start baking anything(e.g. openmoko-image) it says at the beginning: http://nopaste.org/p/aSV1VTYp3
15:46.25Davieyso if i just leave it plugged in, it will still charge?
15:46.28Davieygotcha! thanks
15:46.42`pwgen`Daviey: so it had to charge with the 20 mA until i can power the usb .. and this takes time
15:46.44joschfredthecat, I am actively using perl :-)
15:47.02Davieyokay, i'll pop back in a few hours.. thanks chaps
15:47.55`pwgen`Daviey: if you own a second battery: power it up with the second one,, and change the battery while its booting ( bas solution but it works )
15:48.33cb22`pwgen`: isnt that evil considering the smoke when no battery inserted but usb plugged in problem?
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15:49.04Daviey`pwgen`: nope just one :(
15:50.06`pwgen`cb22: i have done this 5 min ago , it never smokes , but be sure your usb does not give more than 5 volts ( there are some usb hubs out with 5.6 up to 6.5 Volts )
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15:51.15mwesteredistar:  You're building something that's unlike anything anyone else has ever built before; it's very probable that there are mysteries aplenty in the various components you have instructed bitbake to assemble.
15:51.58edistarmwester: what's so special? machine=nokia770 only, or is there anything else too?
15:52.02mwesteredistar:  But start by at least removing the "~/" stuff from your local.conf; replace that with fully-qualified pathnames (IIRC there is a probability that certain recipes or even bitbake may puke over that syntax)
15:52.04thosedistar, don't you want to be building openmoko-devel-image anyway?
15:52.23mwesteredistar:  "openmoko" and "nokia770" are not a pair that have ever been done before, AFAIK
15:52.27edistarmwester: oO, I gave you the wrong link.. I have replaced all of them already
15:53.01edistarthos: yeah, eventually.. but no matter what I build, it seems to stick to DISTRO=angstrom
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15:53.20edistarmwester: yeah, I just thought I'd try it :)
15:53.27mwesteredistar:  Start by getting angstrom working on the nokia770, and then once that's all building ok, you can try to change it to "openmoko", and see if you can track down where things are being reset inappropriately.
15:53.33thosedistar, did you set your environment up correctly?
15:53.46ScaredyCatso it's not overriding it
15:53.59mwesteredistar:  Yes, angstrom overrides the DISTRO in certain spots.  It may be that there's something about nokia770 that makes that permanent, or otherwise affects it.
15:54.05edistarthos: how do I check that?
15:54.09edistarmwester: thx for the info
15:56.32ScaredyCatedistar: you could start off with a simple conf
15:56.44ScaredyCatjust the target, distro and build host
15:56.45edistarScaredyCat: I thought mine was simple :)
15:56.59edistarI need the PREFFERED_VERSION because otherwise xomap doesn't bake
15:57.20ScaredyCatok, well keep it in then - get rid of the other guff
15:57.41edistarok
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16:03.52ScaredyCatthos: were you playing with opkg?
16:04.08thosyes
16:04.29ScaredyCatdid you just break it?
16:04.32thosbo
16:04.35thosno*
16:04.42ScaredyCathrmm
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16:15.23ScaredyCatit's definately broken thos
16:16.09ScaredyCatERROR: Exception:<type 'exceptions.IOError'> Message:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/builder/newBuild/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/opkg-native-0.0+svnr4238-r1/temp/log.qa_package'
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16:21.39thosScaredyCat, doesn't look like an opkg code issue to me
16:21.58thosScaredyCat, looks like a bitbake issu
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16:42.09ScaredyCathttp://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&kc=305&l=en&oc=SV1T1051&s=bsd&sbc=pedge_t105
16:42.13ScaredyCat£99 server
16:46.25StephmwI can't believe they actually ask for £300 for that heap in the first place
16:47.08ScaredyCat:)
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16:51.53ScaredyCatstill 99 isn't bad for a processor and a hdd
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17:06.25CIA-17openmoko: 03thomas * r4239 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
17:06.25CIA-17openmoko: 2008-03-20 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
17:06.25CIA-17openmoko:  * Makefile.am:
17:06.26CIA-17openmoko:  * configure.ac:
17:06.26CIA-17openmoko:  * src/dialer/Makefile.am:
17:06.27CIA-17openmoko:  * src/dialer/moko-history.c: (on_btn_save_clicked):
17:06.31CIA-17openmoko:  Display a list of contacts when "Add to contact" is clicked
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17:11.10CIA-17openmoko: 03thomas * r4240 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/: dialer: fix svn:externals
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17:24.21torporahem
17:24.26torporScaredyCat: you there?
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17:29.39CIA-17openmoko: 03thomas * r4241 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/dialer/moko-history.c: dialer: fix typo
17:31.59thosteach me to compile, edit, commit :-)
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17:48.27torporis there anything special to worry about, NAND-partition setup-wise?
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18:15.24ccflyhello :>
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18:27.13webjamesSpeedEvil, are you around?
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18:33.37webjamesanyone from the UK here?
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18:33.58Stephmwwebjames: yo
18:34.27webjamesHello, StealthCP do you know who our supplier for the Freerunner will be?
18:34.42webjamesStephmw, sorry
18:34.51Stephmwwebjames: no, no idea for now
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18:36.30webjamesin germany it seems to be priced at 299 euros, dist by http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm  and  http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm  
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18:38.21webjamesoh well i'm sure all will be revealed soon thanks Stephmw
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19:01.40`pwgen`emdete: online and ready for questions ?
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19:30.02SirBob1701Sweet its in pvt
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20:05.36`pwgen`knows someone a small cmdline audioplayer for openmoko ?
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20:22.49wurp2`pwgen`: ogg123?
20:23.08J-23mplayer
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20:26.59mwestercat?
20:27.32J-23hmm, music compressed with bzip2...
20:27.48J-23zcat *.raw.bz2 > /dev/dsp :D
20:28.43kdean06aplay not work?
20:30.01mwesterwhite noise generator:  cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp
20:30.12Qwellcat /dev/mouse > /dev/dsp
20:30.24J-23cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/dsp
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20:30.43wurp2Oh, ogg123 would require you to turn off pulseaudio :-(
20:30.48kdean06mwester, I did that once. God spoke to me, but I didn't understand. ::(
20:30.59wurp2on the other hand, it plays better w/o pulseaudio :-)
20:31.12wurp2kdean06: Your unhappy face has four eyes.
20:31.37kdean06Indeed.
20:31.38mwesterpunishment for not understanding, I bet.   ;)
20:31.51kdean06I sometimes make them with no eyes to generate cosmic balance.
20:32.41wurp2In the two-eyed smiley face land, the smiley with four eyes is king
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20:34.22devcowhi @ll
20:36.19`pwgen`wurp2: something that runs with pulseaudio ... wt* is pulseaudio ?
20:36.44Daviey`pwgen` mjr: thanks for earlier, it's working now
20:37.14devcowi want to buy me an  Neo 1973 (GTA01) how stable is it for the normal phone calls and how long does the battery alive?
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20:38.05`pwgen`Daviey: nice
20:38.28wurp2`pwgen`: pulseaudio is the daemon responsible for mixing the sounds from various sources
20:38.57abraxa__devcow: #neo1973-germany is your friend
20:39.07wurp2devcow: 1) yes 2) you can rely on 4 hours w/ no rechage, and might get as much as 7
20:39.11wurp2for now
20:39.20wurp2abraxa__: People selling neos there?
20:39.33devcowyes in german you can buy it
20:39.35abraxa__wurp2: He's German, hence...
20:39.39wurp2devcow: But you can't buy a new neo right now; FIC is retooling the production line for FreeRunner
20:39.55wurp2abraxa__: ic
20:40.36Daviey<PROTECTED>
20:40.37devcowenable suspend is this now working? i red that it is buggy
20:41.02wurp2it is buggy, in that wake on ring doesn't work at all consistently
20:41.07wurp2and wake from power is currently fubar
20:41.14wurp2wake from aux seems fine right now
20:41.29`pwgen`wurp2: i have done a little telephone application with gtk an pyneod  but now i have the question " how to i let the phone ring ? "
20:41.40wurp2w/ suspend you get 20 hours or more, but who really cares if you don't get calls :-(
20:42.23devcowokay so i have to wait till i can this basic functions. but then i will try it out
20:42.25wurp2`pwgen`: I think aplay is probably the best option, as mentioned earlier.  Others may know a better way...
20:42.38`pwgen`wurp2: vibrate ist working well
20:42.46`pwgen`ha i found it paplay
20:44.04wurp2cool!
20:44.37wurp2devcow: If you're waiting for that, you may wanna play the waiting game for FreeRunner
20:45.17`pwgen`is there a plan useing dbus for ringtone activation and configuration ?
20:46.10devcowyep i want an open source smartphone it has so nice features when the software is stable with all its features iphone will be soon crap ;-)
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20:47.04wurp2`pwgen`: I think there is a general commitment to dbus, but no commitment whatsoever to a time frame for it
20:47.33kdean06I was actually reading http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Aussie-Linux-head-Microsoft-more-open-than-iPhone/0,130061733,339287392,00.htm which was saying that Microsoft's offerings are (ATM - Openmoko and Andriod are both mentioned passingly) signifigantly more "open" than the iPhone.
20:49.27wurp2iphone is almost as closed as you can get
20:49.45SpeedEvilWell - iphone with working security
20:49.45Qwelluntil you jailbreak it..
20:49.50wurp2it's a great piece of hardware, with really super nice software on it, but it is very closed
20:49.57wurp2Qwell: exactly
20:52.23devcowiphone is definately too high priced it is crap in comparing it with other phones
20:52.46Gottoxbut it's nice looking crap :)
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20:52.57devcowit is ;-)
20:53.26`pwgen`.. but its working ... (:-((
20:53.33Davieysim card failure, "Network Registration Denied" :(
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21:07.48pjzis looking forward to buying older iphones on the used market in a couple years - they'll make great in-house wifi tablets
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21:09.30wurp2sorry, iphone is nice hw *for the US*
21:10.05SpeedEvilI want cheap e-ink stuff.
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21:10.32StephmwSpeedEvil: hell, even _affordable_ e-ink stuff would be nice
21:10.50SpeedEvilyeah
21:11.03SpeedEvilI really want bare imaging film
21:11.31SpeedEvilCover it with ITO coated film, and all you need is a PCB to get a segmented imager.
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21:11.39SpeedEvilCover it with ITO coated film, and all you need is a PCB to get a segmented display.
21:12.02wurp2You need some high expansion piezo pixels too
21:12.31SpeedEvilNo - I mean stuff like large 7 segment displays, or custom stuff
21:12.43SpeedEvilwith maybe 30 or so shapes.
21:12.49wurp2Oh, I just want a brick covered in piezo & e-ink
21:13.33SpeedEvilI also want to make a simple viewer.
21:14.06SpeedEvilSay 12cm long, 3cm dia, with a 20cm film wrapped round it.
21:14.58SpeedEvilyou unwrap the film, and simply slide the wand back and forward over it to print
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21:51.17xcasexwurp2: for the us?
21:51.19xcasexhow so.
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22:06.25wurp2Well, I don't really track the cell phone market, but integrated google maps, media player, pic viewer, EDGE, etc. certainly looks like a nice package compared to what I've seen on other phones...
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22:07.18wurp2I never wanted a nice cell phone before because I hate the carriers, and everything was closed & locked down.  Now I love my neo, but still don't look too much at the market other than the big buzz items like iphone
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23:07.59peter_harrisonMorning all
23:08.41peter_harrisonTrying to import math into python on a neo. Have achieved this before, but is elluding me now.
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23:11.53peter_harrisonI have installed python-math which put math.so into python2.5/lib-dynaload
23:12.12peter_harrisonbut the import on the python command line doesn't work.
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23:15.30peter_harrisonHmm - seem to have 'fixed' it by copying the math.so and cmath.co up a dir.
23:15.53peter_harrisonStill; that doesn't seem right - it should look in this dir?
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