00:02.40 | wurp2|away | thos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008 |
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00:12.41 | webjames | i'm having some problems here is the output: http://dpaste.com/40269/ |
00:13.07 | webjames | i'm using ubuntu 8.04 with qemu 0.91 and mokomakefile |
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00:15.13 | webjames | this is the error, openmoko/flash.sh: line 96: kill: (-3688) - No such process |
00:15.51 | webjames | i'm not sure if it's just a missing dependency. but i have installed all the packages recommended on the wiki |
00:17.16 | webjames | SpeedEvil, how come you say april for freerunner? |
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00:18.43 | dcordes | somebody know which package provides the "simple" theme selector? |
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00:20.49 | dcordes | where you can only select the desired gtk theme in a drop down list? |
00:23.20 | webjames | i don't know, sorry. perhaps http://projects.openmoko.org/ will tell you |
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00:59.08 | peter_harrison | sorry for the delay, I'm running on a GTA01. It was advertised as a GTA01D, but I have not seen a GTA01D. |
00:59.36 | peter_harrison | The reason I want USB host is because I'm making a robot, and want to control it using PhidgetServo. |
01:00.56 | peter_harrison | To see what I have got going so far: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ab8tF5bYF-k |
01:02.54 | mjr | Neat. SpeedEvil is making a UAV ;] |
01:03.16 | dcordes | mjr, no rly? |
01:04.00 | mjr | yeah, for quick and handy aerial photography |
01:04.14 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4229 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/wait-for-power-DONTUSE.patch: (log message trimmed) |
01:04.14 | CIA-17 | openmoko: wait-for-power-DONTUSE.patch: |
01:04.14 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - drivers/misc/pcf50633.c (pcf50633_adc_read, pcf50633_read_charger_type): |
01:04.14 | CIA-17 | openmoko: applied the rest of Matt's 3.6V threshold changes |
01:04.16 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (wait_for_power): added threshold checking, as |
01:04.20 | CIA-17 | openmoko: suggested by Matt |
01:04.22 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (wait_for_power, poll_charger): look for the |
01:04.50 | mjr | (anyway, don't know about the use host aside from it reportedly having at least been initialized for some) |
01:04.58 | mjr | s/use/usb/ |
01:06.36 | peter_harrison | OPenmoko is a great platform for robotics - cheap, low power, runs linux, built in radio and gps. Everything one needs :) |
01:07.46 | peter_harrison | One question - in USB host mode will the Neo accept a charge if the power lines are powered by +5v? |
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01:08.20 | peter_harrison | I was assuming this would work, but usually if you are a host you provide the power. |
01:09.09 | peter_harrison | ON the OpenMoko it doesn't because it is USB 1.0 - but that is okay if it can charge while also in host mode. |
01:09.20 | mjr | my current educated impression is that for gta01, this works, but as gta02 has its own 100mA power output in host mode, I'm not so sure; there was some discussion on the lists whether host mode and power input/output could be separately controlled but I don't know where that ended up |
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01:10.51 | peter_harrison | from a robotics point of view the GTA02 providing power - but not charging - would be a issue. Lucky I have a GTA01 ! |
01:11.03 | mjr | indeed |
01:11.40 | peter_harrison | PS: Do you change to host mode the same way that the Wiki says, or has it changed? |
01:11.56 | mjr | 'course, do you need the usb host spesifically or would some gpios suffice? ;] |
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01:12.57 | peter_harrison | gpios? forgive the ignorance, I was just aiming to set things up like they are on my laptop, which I know works. |
01:13.16 | peter_harrison | The laptop is a host, and accepts the phidgetservo. |
01:13.25 | peter_harrison | There is no kernel space driver. |
01:13.41 | peter_harrison | I just have a library to call which does the comms in user space. |
01:13.54 | mjr | general purpose io... oh, you have a prefabbed usb gadget for the thingy |
01:14.02 | peter_harrison | yep. |
01:14.11 | mjr | well you probably want usb then ;) |
01:14.18 | peter_harrison | Yep :) |
01:14.54 | peter_harrison | I'm more concerned about programming and AI than the low level hardware interfaces. |
01:17.02 | mjr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#USB_Host indicates that it "should" be possible to get outside power while in host mode also for the Freerunner, which would be nice for these kinds of things. However I don't know if that's up-to-date. |
01:19.46 | mjr | considering gta01s will be in low supply and all |
01:20.20 | peter_harrison | I will keep everyone up to date with progress. I will be doing a video of the first voyage :) |
01:23.37 | mjr | Good luck with that :] |
01:24.30 | mjr | speaking of ad-hoc robotics, in my department (of cs at uni of Helsinki) there are courses featuring roombas with bluetooth remote controls and an attached wlan-connected camera phone for video. |
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01:24.52 | dcordes_ | can somebody tell me how to select gtk theme in openmoko :) ? |
01:24.55 | mjr | We have students racing their programs (which run on desktop boxes in the same room) |
01:25.05 | dcordes_ | (yes I googled+searched wiki) |
01:27.29 | mwester | dcordes_: There is no built-in GUI for that AFAIK. |
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01:28.33 | dcordes_ | mwester, I sure have seen a program which only had a gtk window and a box where you could select the theme |
01:29.04 | dcordes_ | mwester, I don't need a gui at all though - how can I select it manually? |
01:29.11 | mwester | Ok, it's not part of the standard package so it must be an add-on. Did you check the projects site? |
01:29.20 | dcordes_ | not really |
01:29.39 | dcordes_ | but if I can select it manually doesn't really matter |
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01:30.38 | mjr | goes to sleep |
01:32.41 | dcordes_ | mwester, can only find themes on project site, not theme selector |
01:33.47 | mwester | I would expect that the technique to change themes would be the same as for other desktops. |
01:35.56 | dcordes_ | mwester, you mean gconf? |
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01:48.22 | dcordes_ | mwester, hmm gcontool-2 wants dbus something |
01:55.17 | XorA | morning |
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01:58.05 | dcordes_ | XorA, morning |
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01:58.18 | dcordes_ | you in .tw? |
01:59.16 | mohamed | hi all, I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and I'm trying to build openmoko but this error occurs http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60249/ |
01:59.24 | mohamed | any help? |
02:02.42 | XorA | dcordes_: yes |
02:03.19 | Kensan | mohamed: you are missing git. |
02:03.20 | XorA | hates people that ask a question then immediately quit |
02:03.28 | dcordes_ | XorA, not working for wolfson anymore? |
02:03.29 | Kensan | too |
02:03.46 | XorA | dcordes_: I worked for OpenMoko since Oct last year |
02:04.33 | dcordes_ | XorA, nice are you completely in tw or jus temp.? |
02:04.57 | XorA | dcordes_: only 2 weeks in .tw, Im not mad enough to leave Scotland yet :-) |
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02:08.40 | dcordes_ | XorA, so you do some freerunner marathon over there? |
02:09.03 | XorA | my freerunner was stolen to test some GSM bugs, so no |
02:09.43 | dcordes_ | ok maybe you can help me: I have a problem with qvga theming. do you know how to set the gtk theme manually in a 'normal' openmoko-image? |
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02:13.02 | dcordes_ | XorA, my today screen looks like this http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3pe2.png |
02:13.31 | XorA | dcordes_: wow |
02:13.44 | XorA | looks like matchbox crashed |
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02:14.20 | dcordes_ | matchbox-window-manager? |
02:17.19 | XorA | yes |
02:17.41 | mwester | Is that with the bleeding edge build? |
02:17.53 | dcordes_ | XorA, starting it shows up a blue gtk theme around the running window |
02:17.58 | dcordes_ | mwester, yep today's build |
02:18.16 | dcordes_ | htcblueangel with custom kernel. but image is completely 'standard' |
02:18.22 | XorA | is not sure what "todays" build is, OE.dev runs fine on my GTA01 :-) |
02:19.01 | dcordes_ | XorA, blueangel is a qvga machine |
02:19.11 | mwester | Ok. If nobody bumped the sane-srcrev for openmoko-theme-standard2, there was a syntax error in the version of the theme.xml file selected. |
02:19.22 | dcordes_ | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1283 |
02:19.26 | XorA | dcordes_: well so is Motorola EZX and images I think work on that |
02:20.50 | dcordes_ | sometimes, after a xserver-nodm restart, the blue window decorations appear directly, sometimes not |
02:22.44 | XorA | hmm, looks like for QVGA something in matchbox packaging goes wrong for openmoko |
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02:27.45 | Kensan | How can I tell bitbake t package additional filess? (I am getting: "files were installed but not shipped in any package") |
02:29.28 | Marcel_M | Kensan: FILES_${PN} += "/usr/weirdpath/importantfile.foo" |
02:29.45 | dcordes_ | XorA, I gues openmoko-theme-standard2-qvga or its depends have some issues |
02:30.13 | XorA | dcordes_: most likely, QVGA requires the community to fix it, I dont think there is bandwidth inside the company at the moment |
02:30.20 | XorA | and a lack of QVGA devices as well |
02:30.25 | Kensan | Marcel_M: brilliant, thanks :) |
02:30.33 | dcordes_ | XorA, somebody stole a780? :) |
02:30.47 | Marcel_M | Kensan: you are welcome |
02:31.24 | dcordes_ | I will try and replace qvga with normal theme just for fun of it |
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02:35.32 | dcordes_ | wtf this resized the icons |
02:35.42 | dcordes_ | I thought *icon-theme* takes care of those? |
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03:39.29 | wurp2|away | kdean06: So what's the final verdict? Does sound work on the 3/19 build? |
03:40.07 | tick35 | kdean06: I think so |
03:42.53 | wurp2|away | tick35: OK, I'm confused - are you answering me, or continuing a prior conversation with kdean06 ? |
03:43.14 | tick35 | :P |
03:43.17 | tick35 | I am sorry |
03:43.45 | tick35 | I must be blind ~_~ I saw the wrong name. |
03:44.08 | wurp2|away | np |
03:44.13 | wurp2|away | Just making sure :-) |
03:44.13 | tick35 | wurp2|away: I am answer you that, I think sound works |
03:44.19 | wurp2|away | awesome, thanks! |
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03:44.46 | wurp2|away | I know kdean06 (the guy who does the reviews) had audio crap out on him for that build on his 3rd reboot or so |
03:45.04 | wurp2|away | dunno if he isolated it to some other issue, or rebooted again and it was ok, or what |
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03:52.05 | mellhen | HELP? kernel-panic on hx4700. things i have done before: |
03:52.38 | mellhen | 1Compiling openmoko for hx4700 (full log http://www.file-upload.net/download-738006/--make-openmoko-devel-image2.html) |
03:53.58 | mellhen | 2 Booting with HARET and Angstrom zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin) |
03:56.19 | mellhen | openmoko uses kernel 2.6.21-hh20-r14_hx4700 but newest zImage is 2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700. Could there be the error? |
03:57.18 | XorA | wurp2|away: sound should be working, I fixed the core problem a few days ago |
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04:01.43 | wurp2|away | XorA: Thanks! |
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05:28.49 | kdean06 | wurp2|away, I rebooted after that failed time and it's been working fine since then. In fact, it's signifigantly more clear than the 28 Feb 2008 image so I'd suggest using it. :) |
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06:50.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4230 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/console-ansi.patch: (log message trimmed) |
06:50.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: From: andrzej zaborowski <balrogg@gmail.com> |
06:50.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: That could be an image too big ( > 60MB) but isn't in this case. Qemu |
06:50.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: tracked it down to a memory corruption in latest u-boot. Attached |
06:50.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: u-boot patch should help (inlined for viewing). |
06:50.52 | CIA-17 | openmoko: console-ansi.patch: |
06:50.54 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - drivers/video/cfb_console.c (process_sequence): memsetl size is in words, not |
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07:15.18 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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07:43.50 | ScaredyCat | thos: ping |
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07:44.53 | XorA | ScaredyCat: yes, more people to hate on thos :-) |
07:46.07 | ScaredyCat | naa, just wondered if he'd seen my comment earlier... |
07:46.20 | ScaredyCat | iirc he was playing with the icons |
07:46.35 | ScaredyCat | but the makefile isbroken for the stock ones |
07:46.55 | ScaredyCat | because either it had the wrong filenams, or he forgot to commit them |
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07:47.45 | XorA | ScaredyCat: that was why I was hating on him :-) |
07:47.57 | ScaredyCat | oh.. |
07:48.22 | ScaredyCat | wll, if i fixed it for myself, you should be able to without even thinking :) |
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07:59.27 | XorA | ScaredyCat: ${AUTOREV}-1 :-) |
07:59.52 | ScaredyCat | well, no I just edited the makefile :) |
08:00.46 | XorA | Ive spent all day merging the OM mtn into OE.dev |
08:00.48 | ScaredyCat | wouldn't that make you -1 versio behind for everythign? |
08:01.05 | ScaredyCat | sounds like fun... |
08:01.05 | XorA | ScaredyCat: no, it wouldnt actually work at all :-) |
08:01.14 | XorA | meld is good :-) |
08:01.34 | ScaredyCat | mmm... that seems pretty poor... |
08:02.07 | XorA | why poor? |
08:02.15 | ScaredyCat | no translation... |
08:02.28 | ScaredyCat | $(( it and it works? |
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08:03.26 | ScaredyCat | let's see if this puppy boots |
08:04.06 | XorA | ScaredyCat: can you provide a diff for that Makefile, I can put that straight in svn |
08:04.46 | ScaredyCat | errm... |
08:04.57 | ScaredyCat | I have rm_work turned on |
08:05.11 | ScaredyCat | but it is an easy fix... |
08:05.40 | ScaredyCat | ${OMDIR}/build/tmp/work/all-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-0.1.0+svnr4226-r1/icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/ |
08:06.08 | ScaredyCat | the makefile.am in there, remove all the icons that aren't in the stock dir... |
08:06.25 | ScaredyCat | ie most of them except the ones with moko in the title |
08:06.30 | ScaredyCat | at the end of the list |
08:07.23 | XorA | will try and look at that later |
08:07.38 | XorA | lets see if I have busted image builds completely |
08:08.55 | ScaredyCat | suspects so ;) |
08:11.56 | ScaredyCat | might sound like a silly question... |
08:12.14 | ScaredyCat | but why aren't contacts sorted alphabetically ? |
08:13.25 | ScaredyCat | :o new button on dialer |
08:13.40 | ScaredyCat | s/dialer/answerer/ |
08:17.39 | XorA | ScaredyCat: I know nothing about the pimlico apps |
08:18.02 | ScaredyCat | pimlico ? |
08:19.02 | ScaredyCat | ongah! |
08:19.24 | ScaredyCat | they removed the aux button completely... :/ |
08:19.54 | XorA | ScaredyCat: yeah, that needs to be fixed, and pimlico is the OH PIM apps that OM ones are based on |
08:20.07 | ScaredyCat | ahh ok... |
08:20.17 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 1280 |
08:20.19 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1280, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
08:20.20 | cdbot2 | * * lukas.gorris(AT)gmx.de: qvga themes/icons do not build due to sed problem |
08:20.21 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1280 |
08:20.25 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 1282 |
08:20.25 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1282, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown |
08:20.26 | cdbot2 | * * will(AT)openmoko.com: Remove rotate display option |
08:20.27 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1282 |
08:21.05 | ScaredyCat | they removed the entire menu to get rid of one option! |
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08:21.12 | ScaredyCat | sobs |
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08:21.32 | XorA | ScaredyCat: Im not sure of the logic behind that |
08:21.51 | XorA | ScaredyCat: feel free to re-open that bug and point out GTA01 is crippled by that change |
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08:22.19 | ScaredyCat | Well, we're lucky he aint a doctor... "I'm sorry sir, you have a slight cut on your toe, we'll have to remove the leg" |
08:22.47 | XorA | She |
08:27.09 | ScaredyCat | She / He / it |
08:27.26 | ScaredyCat | I still don;t want my leg cut off :) |
08:28.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1284 has been created by scaredycat(AT)automated.it |
08:28.03 | cdbot2 | * * Contacts are not sorted. |
08:28.05 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1284 |
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08:28.43 | TRIsoft | morning |
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08:41.00 | torpor | whats up gang? |
08:41.06 | torpor | <--- still building building building . |
08:41.30 | torpor | Running task 2588 of 5373 |
08:41.56 | ScaredyCat | are you using om or oe dev ? |
08:41.58 | XorA | is building two images at once and killing this poor machine |
08:42.03 | torpor | om |
08:42.06 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-20 07:59:41] <XorA> Ive spent all day merging the OM mtn into OE.dev |
08:42.16 | torpor | to be honest ScaredyCat i'm really not sure of the differences. |
08:42.17 | ScaredyCat | you might want to start again |
08:42.25 | torpor | what, why? |
08:42.36 | torpor | i don't get it to be honest. |
08:42.43 | torpor | i just want a stable caught-up build system image. |
08:42.47 | ScaredyCat | oe.dev is the latest stuff, om is the 'safe' stuff |
08:42.52 | torpor | whats with all these freakin' changes that makes things borked? |
08:43.03 | torpor | okay how do i switch from om to oe.dev, with mokomakefile? |
08:43.26 | rwhitby | make update-bleeding-edge |
08:43.53 | torpor | ok then what? |
08:43.58 | ScaredyCat | :o rwhitby! |
08:44.01 | rwhitby | then proceed as normal |
08:44.04 | torpor | ok |
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08:44.08 | torpor | doing that now then. |
08:44.18 | torpor | hopefully i can get back to apps-writing on the weekend, sheesh .. |
08:44.53 | rwhitby | isn't there a stable SDK now? |
08:45.14 | ScaredyCat | afaik it doesn't build |
08:45.17 | rwhitby | has two dead GTA01s which won't charge anything, so has not been following closely ... |
08:45.23 | ScaredyCat | :O |
08:45.56 | torpor | rwhitby: i have one dead gta01 just like that too. what shall we do? |
08:48.27 | torpor | so, can i get a yes/no: make update-bleeding-edge && make openmoko-devel-image |
08:48.30 | torpor | \? |
08:49.19 | rwhitby | that's what I'd do if I wanted an oe.dev image |
08:49.23 | ScaredyCat | hrmm, we thought you had |
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08:49.51 | torpor | but this will work and will be safe and i can happily continue to hack away once its done, right? |
08:50.05 | ScaredyCat | safe? |
08:50.20 | torpor | also: where is the latest 'good fun' image to put on my gta01 in the meantime? scaredy you still got a published image, or is there another one out there with all the bells and whistles which someone might sugest? |
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08:50.28 | ScaredyCat | well if rwhitby is telling you how to use his makefile to switch, then that's safe |
08:50.34 | torpor | safe as in i won't have to stop it and start it again in 8 hours .. |
08:50.45 | ScaredyCat | the actual build, there are never any guarentees |
08:50.49 | rwhitby | torpor: you'll always need to do that, it's OpenEmbedded ... |
08:50.51 | ScaredyCat | for oe.dev or om |
08:51.13 | torpor | ah |
08:51.14 | ScaredyCat | torpor: I still build.. |
08:51.17 | torpor | ok |
08:51.30 | ScaredyCat | the one on my buildhost form yesterday is good, running on mine now |
08:51.34 | torpor | coz i want to put a new image on my gta01 and get back to experimenting with it .. |
08:51.38 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
08:51.46 | torpor | thanks |
08:51.50 | torpor | i'll check it out now .. |
08:52.09 | ScaredyCat | it eve has an incoming ring :) |
08:52.10 | XorA | OE.dev is probably broken |
08:52.12 | ScaredyCat | even |
08:52.22 | torpor | whats that? |
08:52.27 | torpor | XorA: why? |
08:52.40 | ScaredyCat | !!! |
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09:08.05 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4231 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/mknor: |
09:08.05 | CIA-17 | openmoko: <johncylee> wpwrak: that's true... heh, you used uboot=$1 in mknor but still |
09:08.05 | CIA-17 | openmoko: +use $1 after it |
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09:50.21 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4232 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/ (101 files): icons: add missing 22x22 stock icons |
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09:54.10 | thos | ScaredyCat, that should fix it |
09:54.13 | thos | ScaredyCat, I hope |
09:54.32 | ScaredyCat | :) |
09:54.45 | ScaredyCat | what are they used for ? |
09:54.48 | ScaredyCat | those icons |
09:55.08 | thos | ScaredyCat, which ones? |
09:55.12 | thos | ScaredyCat, 22x22? |
09:55.14 | ScaredyCat | yes |
09:55.19 | thos | qvga |
09:55.25 | ScaredyCat | oh... |
09:55.35 | thos | dcordes_ asked about a qvga theme |
09:55.40 | thos | which I said was unnesaccary |
09:55.42 | ScaredyCat | not really an issue then |
09:58.25 | thos | we need to find an artist willing to draw a nice theme for openmoko |
09:58.28 | thos | hrm |
09:58.36 | thos | s/artist/good artist |
10:00.24 | xcasex | thos email alberto@cored.org for samples of hsi work :) |
10:00.41 | thos | xcasex, for free? |
10:01.16 | ScaredyCat | he has some stuff on the wiki iirc |
10:01.18 | ScaredyCat | it's god |
10:01.21 | ScaredyCat | good |
10:02.13 | thos | not impressed by the website |
10:02.52 | XorA | we want Geiger icons :-) |
10:03.26 | xcasex | thos, he's an artist. what do you expect, for it to suit your taste? ;) look at the detour & detroit themes :) |
10:03.40 | xcasex | i'm sure raster will vouch for him as well |
10:03.47 | thos | er |
10:03.58 | thos | I don't think any vouch from raster will imrpove my impression |
10:04.08 | xcasex | tssk. |
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10:04.15 | XorA | he cant use mencoder anyway :-) |
10:04.33 | xcasex | anything better then the current theme, is a vast improvement :p |
10:04.53 | thos | xcasex, yeah, we could all use default GTK+ theme |
10:04.59 | XorA | Boris Valejero :-) |
10:05.00 | thos | blindlingly fast |
10:05.25 | ScaredyCat | Edwin McTavish |
10:05.31 | thos | gosh, enlightenment does make me laugh |
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10:05.39 | thos | "General Settings - Framerate" WTF |
10:05.47 | xcasex | thos i love it ;) |
10:06.01 | xcasex | thos but enough trolling though. |
10:06.17 | thos | waits for the go-faster stripes |
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10:06.39 | xcasex | i think alberto is a good interface designer, and i consider that approaching him for a mockup might be a good move. |
10:06.50 | thos | alberto who? |
10:07.16 | xcasex | alberto castro |
10:07.28 | thos | discovers text-as-images in this cored.org - BALETED |
10:08.01 | zash | FAIL |
10:08.12 | thos | ah that's the word these days |
10:08.27 | xcasex | thos, even so, interface designer, not xhtml/css designer :) |
10:08.36 | thos | xcasex, uh |
10:08.38 | xcasex | he's been wanting me to redo that site forever. |
10:08.38 | thos | xcasex, no |
10:08.47 | thos | xcasex, interface designers understand a11y |
10:08.54 | xcasex | they do? |
10:08.56 | xcasex | wow. |
10:08.58 | thos | they *should* |
10:09.00 | xcasex | that's new :) |
10:09.05 | thos | otherwise they're going to be pretty poor |
10:09.22 | xcasex | thos, the world outside of OSS is so far from understand uxd how can you even expect them to grasp axy ? |
10:09.44 | thos | xcasex, ? |
10:09.47 | xcasex | *understading |
10:09.54 | thos | xcasex, I know interaction designers |
10:10.00 | xcasex | thos: i educate them :) |
10:10.07 | thos | right... |
10:10.12 | xcasex | haha :) |
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10:10.24 | thos | with your crazy gothic styles |
10:10.26 | thos | hmm |
10:10.55 | xcasex | my crazy gothic styles? |
10:11.01 | xcasex | that's his design |
10:11.06 | thos | i've seen your websites! |
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10:11.17 | xcasex | my site is still over at blog.asystemapart.com :p |
10:11.23 | xcasex | brb |
10:15.29 | zash | semitransparent background + fixed background = bad |
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10:23.26 | xcasex | back |
10:23.46 | xcasex | thos, really though, gothic is a niiice style ;D |
10:23.59 | XorA | too many goths in OpenMoko |
10:25.40 | thos | xcasex, well, feel free to get started on "neo underworld" |
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10:28.40 | xcasex | thos, oh. i'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. |
10:28.48 | xcasex | anyway, bbiab 1h gotta mount up a sideboard. |
10:29.16 | torpor | anyone gotten usb host working on the neo1973 yet? |
10:29.22 | torpor | i wanna do that soon .. |
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10:36.07 | Marcel_M | torpor: hi usb-host work fine here |
10:36.20 | torpor | Marcel_M: did you follow the guide on the wiki to build the cable, or .. ? |
10:36.48 | Marcel_M | yes i made me a 3headed cable |
10:36.55 | torpor | i gotta do that |
10:37.23 | Marcel_M | its supersimple |
10:37.57 | Marcel_M | torpor: http://celtune.morb-design.com/powered_usb_cable-1.jpg |
10:38.08 | Marcel_M | http://celtune.morb-design.com/powered_usb_cable-2.jpg |
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10:38.34 | torpor | cool thanks marc |
10:38.44 | torpor | i'm going to build that cable and then add a midi interface to my neo .. ;) |
10:39.04 | Marcel_M | torpor: great! |
10:40.00 | Marcel_M | btw usb-host mode should work with every newer kernel this one is tested with usb-host mode http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.24+svnr4194-r4165-r3-neo1973.bin |
10:41.25 | torpor | cool |
10:42.50 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4233 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: put AUX key event back (Erin Yueh) |
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10:47.43 | ScaredyCat | yaay!! |
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12:06.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4234 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg_configure.c opkg_download.c opkg_remove.c): opkg: remove some printfs and replace with opkg_message where appropriate |
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12:17.16 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4235 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (configure.ac libopkg/Makefile.am): |
12:17.16 | CIA-17 | openmoko: opkg: Fix md5 sum on big endian systems. |
12:17.16 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Patch from Jeremy Lainé <jeremy laine bolloretelecom eu> |
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12:30.37 | playya | hi |
12:31.13 | mellhen | HELP? I have written a short letter to avoid SPAM in this channel: http://www.file-upload.net/download-738393/hx4700.html I would be very pleased, if sb could help me to resolve the "Freeing init memory: 84K" |
12:31.21 | playya | the htc magician is called vpa compact IV/V in the vodafone shop? |
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12:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1285 has been created by andy(AT)openmoko.com |
12:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * WLAN stability issue with WPA |
12:38.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1285 |
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12:56.21 | PBeck | hi |
12:57.08 | fredtheca1 | Hi |
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13:24.23 | mellhen | hi |
13:25.00 | nezza-_- | hi |
13:25.24 | mellhen | what is an irc for, when nb is talking to each other? |
13:27.13 | fredtheca1 | mellhen: it gives us the opportunity to do so should we wish... what's on your mind? |
13:27.44 | fredtheca1 | Is anyone actively using Perl with Openmoko? |
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13:34.54 | ScaredyCat | irc isn't always instant... |
13:35.11 | ScaredyCat | you can ping people, ask questions and get the answers later... |
13:35.20 | mellhen | ok |
13:35.58 | mellhen | but who is looking up the whole text to find questions users have written houers before? |
13:36.25 | nezza-_- | mellhen: if you dont like it, dont use it.. it seems to work |
13:36.27 | rwhitby | people usually wait until a question is asked before answering |
13:36.47 | mellhen | :) |
13:37.31 | rwhitby | and if you're lucky, only those who actually know the answer will respond :-) |
13:37.42 | mellhen | so how it is passible to advise sb on my question? |
13:37.52 | mellhen | ok |
13:38.04 | rwhitby | don't ask to ask, just ask. |
13:38.54 | mellhen | ok my question is in this letter (http://www.fileupload.net/download-738393/hx4700.html) |
13:40.05 | rwhitby | a one line plain text summary in the channel is usually the way people start ... |
13:40.51 | rwhitby | (as opposed to pointing to a document that no longer exists on a site that bombards you with advertising ...) |
13:40.52 | nezza-_- | The document you requested was not found. May we suggest our home page? |
13:42.43 | mellhen | Ok ill try plain text. (but first the link again: http://www.file-upload.net/download-738006/--make-openmoko-devel-image2.html ) |
13:42.52 | ScaredyCat | mellhen: |
13:42.55 | ScaredyCat | !logs |
13:42.55 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
13:42.56 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
13:42.57 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
13:42.58 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
13:43.03 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
13:43.11 | nezza-_- | mellhen: what is your question? |
13:43.18 | ScaredyCat | people look at the logs, fill in the wiki etc |
13:43.28 | nezza-_- | nobody wants to read some text without knowing whats the topic |
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13:44.19 | rwhitby | is wary of being pointed to a file download site (which could be serving up any executable to him) just to see a question ... |
13:44.19 | ScaredyCat | is it SFW ? |
13:44.33 | nezza-_- | and instead of an fileupload service you could use something like http://nopaste.snit.ch/ |
13:44.51 | mellhen | yes thats right i will try to improve my proceeding |
13:45.17 | mellhen | i noticed taht this was the wrong link ;( shame on me sry |
13:45.49 | fredtheca1 | mellhen: what's the question? |
13:46.03 | nezza-_- | post your question, paste the link to a nopaste with the log and THEN somebody MAYBE will help you |
13:46.26 | rwhitby | notices "make" but looses patience when someone can't ask a question within 20 minutes ... |
13:46.48 | rwhitby | night all |
13:47.02 | nezza-_- | rwhitby: ack. n8 |
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13:48.10 | mellhen | ill short the letter and paste it here one moment |
13:48.20 | mellhen | gn8 |
13:48.23 | mellhen | The compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel. |
13:48.23 | mellhen | I booted wi |
13:48.27 | nezza-_- | mellhen: and please.. ask a FUCKING QUESTION |
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13:48.53 | mellhen | I want to boot openmoko on my hx4700. |
13:48.53 | mellhen | The compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel. |
13:48.53 | mellhen | I booted with haret-0.5.1 and zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700.bin. |
13:48.53 | mellhen | With this zImage the "boot-process" stops very early with "Freeing init memory: 84K" even before booting the kernel. |
13:48.53 | mellhen | When i use an older zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin) i got a kernel-panic. But it boots the kernel and hangs later on. |
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13:50.49 | mellhen | how to resolve the "Freeing init memory issue"? |
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13:51.46 | rwhitby | stopping at that point usually means that the rootfs can't be loaded for some reason. |
13:51.53 | rwhitby | are you a kernel hacker? |
13:52.32 | mellhen | no, realy ia am an "advanced" user with bad english-knowledge and wordstock |
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13:53.00 | rwhitby | don't worry about your english - it's bound to be 100% better than me trying to speak in your native tongue. |
13:53.26 | mellhen | so you are a native speaker in english? |
13:53.42 | rwhitby | has anyone else been successful in booting openmoko on the hx4700, or are you the first to try it? |
13:53.44 | mellhen | ok back to the topic |
13:53.58 | rwhitby | I speak Australian - some say that it sounds a bit like English :-) |
13:54.31 | ScaredyCat | only in america ;) |
13:54.33 | mellhen | ok thats not english. a friend stays in australia at this moment ^^ |
13:55.04 | mellhen | again back to topic |
13:55.45 | rwhitby | is not able to help futher with hx4700 kernel debugging. |
13:55.46 | mellhen | @rhwhitby : so maybe the zImage is broken? |
13:56.05 | mellhen | I want to boot openmoko on my hx4700. |
13:56.05 | mellhen | The compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel. |
13:56.05 | mellhen | I booted with haret-0.5.1 and zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700.bin. |
13:56.05 | mellhen | With this zImage the "boot-process" stops very early with "Freeing init memory: 84K" even before booting the kernel. |
13:56.05 | mellhen | When i use an older zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin) i got a kernel-panic. But it boots the kernel and hangs later on. |
13:56.10 | mellhen | sry |
13:56.24 | mellhen | i cant handle this ficking irc-client |
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13:59.22 | mellhen | is anyone here using the hx4700 with openmoko, who would be so kind to give me zImage and rootfs? |
13:59.36 | dcordes | mellhen, with which DISTRO = "?" in your conf/local.conf did you build the hh kernel? |
14:00.05 | mellhen | one moment |
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14:01.05 | mellhen | MACHINE = "hx4700" |
14:01.05 | mellhen | DISTRO = "openmoko" |
14:01.05 | mellhen | BUILD_ARCH = "i686" |
14:01.05 | mellhen | INHERIT += "rm_work" |
14:02.40 | mellhen | id try to do it like here http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012734.html and here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile discribed |
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14:07.55 | dcordes | mellhen, are you sure hx47 works in r14? |
14:08.48 | mellhen | dcordes: i dont understand the whole question |
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14:09.11 | mellhen | dcordes: do you mean in comparison to the r6 ? |
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14:10.37 | dcordes | mellhen, yes |
14:11.24 | dcordes | you could also try building with hh19 or just compile hh kernel manually and install it into om rootfs |
14:11.44 | thos | dcordes, there was an error in the icon theme |
14:11.48 | thos | dcordes, i've fixed it now |
14:12.05 | mellhen | dcordes: i realy dont know how to. |
14:13.11 | dcordes | thos, are you referring to merge of 22x22 into normal icon package or to 1283 ? |
14:13.25 | thos | dcordes, the merge |
14:13.33 | thos | dcordes, I forgot to svn add the stock icons last night :-) |
14:13.53 | dcordes | mellhen, http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel <- just replace htcuniversal with hx4700 |
14:14.20 | mellhen | dcordes: it was the first time ever i compiled an image. But copy and paste some lines isnt realy difficult. |
14:14.28 | mellhen | ok thx |
14:14.31 | dcordes | thos, ok. I still wonder how ui will decide to select 22x22 instead of the bigger ones. |
14:14.40 | thos | dcordes, the theme chooses |
14:14.51 | dcordes | mellhen, for manual hh.org kernel building it's the same ;) |
14:15.12 | dcordes | thos, ok somebody seriously has to cope with openmoko-standard-theme2-qvga then |
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14:15.34 | dcordes | unfortunately I hear om inc has no bandwith for this :( |
14:17.53 | dcordes | so if somebody has a heart for qvga ppl check 1283 :) |
14:18.16 | ScaredyCat | pfft |
14:18.41 | ScaredyCat | where's that icon guy gone |
14:18.48 | mellhen | dcordes: i am familiar with linux only for a short time. ill try it. but i think ill fail to do the compiling ... |
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14:20.30 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork |
14:22.00 | dcordes | mellhen, what's that :) ? |
14:22.48 | dcordes | ScaredyCat, those icons look very nice |
14:23.03 | ScaredyCat | indeed ... |
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14:23.21 | ScaredyCat | if he would do a whole them... mmmmm |
14:23.26 | ScaredyCat | theme |
14:23.55 | mellhen | dcordes: what do you mean? |
14:24.10 | mellhen | dcordes: maybe a smily? |
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14:50.04 | don | anyone know of a spot I can get more upto date information? |
14:50.13 | SpeedEvil | on? |
14:50.24 | don | I'm specifically looking for timetables. |
14:50.31 | thos | haha |
14:50.35 | don | I know I know |
14:50.46 | SpeedEvil | maybe a month or two |
14:50.53 | thos | maybe three |
14:50.55 | thos | who knows :-) |
14:50.59 | don | I have been hearing that since last summer |
14:51.08 | don | the wait is killing me |
14:51.09 | thos | but the v5 prototype is nice |
14:51.15 | SpeedEvil | The 'final' version of freerunner is supposed to be coming |
14:51.20 | SpeedEvil | real soon now. |
14:51.22 | thos | it actually works |
14:51.27 | don | that is what I am waiting for |
14:51.35 | lu_zero | SpeedEvil good |
14:51.36 | lu_zero | when? |
14:51.41 | thos | plus doesn't have the battery dead problem the gta01 has |
14:51.51 | don | the information updates are pretty sparse |
14:52.00 | SpeedEvil | thos: the gta01 doesn't really have that problem - it's a software thing. |
14:52.19 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: dont think so. as i know its a hardware problem |
14:52.21 | SpeedEvil | lu_zero: a week or two - for the preproduction test items as I understand it |
14:52.34 | lu_zero | how to apply to get one? |
14:52.36 | SpeedEvil | nezza-_-: it's not - it can be worked round ust fine in software |
14:52.46 | SpeedEvil | lu_zero: site isn't open for purchase yet |
14:52.50 | don | right but the there is the production... shipping... maybe 09? |
14:52.54 | lu_zero | I have some people that want it for a project asap |
14:53.04 | SpeedEvil | don: shouldn't be 09 |
14:53.14 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: can you give me more infos? |
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14:53.30 | SpeedEvil | nezza-_-: no - there have been no timetables published. |
14:53.38 | SpeedEvil | nezza-_-: just a drip of leaked info. |
14:53.38 | don | I know but the drop dead date was November 07 |
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14:53.41 | don | then December |
14:53.45 | don | then Jan |
14:53.50 | don | then spring 08 |
14:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Hardware problems. |
14:53.53 | mwester | Yep, but they didn't drop dead. |
14:53.57 | nezza-_- | don: it seems like it will be released at the end of april |
14:53.58 | don | I know |
14:54.16 | don | heard it before |
14:54.17 | SpeedEvil | not in consumer ready form - but probably |
14:54.23 | mwester | So it seems there's more flex in the schedule than thought. The answer seems to be "it will ship when it is ready" |
14:54.27 | nezza-_- | http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html (sorry its in german) |
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14:54.33 | don | and a good policy |
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14:54.40 | don | but I want it!!!! |
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14:58.33 | don | SO the free runner will be released at the end of April but openmoko won't be consumer ready? |
14:58.47 | SpeedEvil | yes - probably |
14:58.53 | SpeedEvil | certainly to the second |
14:59.14 | SpeedEvil | Expect a working phone/SMS tool, most of the time with most images IMO. |
15:00.20 | don | My verizon contract expired in December so I'm sitting here waiting for this thing... |
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15:01.10 | mjr | get a gsm contract and a cheapass phone |
15:01.35 | madwoota | whats he need a new phone for? |
15:01.45 | madwoota | contract expired, not the service |
15:01.45 | madwoota | heh |
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15:07.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4236 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/dialer-main.c): |
15:07.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-20 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
15:07.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (main): Set a widget name on the dial pad |
15:07.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: for theming |
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15:13.32 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4237 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/: openmoko-dialer: bring in libhito |
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15:15.13 | don | My phone is half working. |
15:15.43 | don | Verizon forced an update to my phone that corrupted some hacks I had in place. I haven't been able to fix. |
15:17.33 | fredthecat | What is the feeling regarding the discussions about the GSM connections bouncing/SIM compatibility? Might it require new GSM firmware? |
15:18.37 | SpeedEvil | Works for me. |
15:18.41 | SpeedEvil | Moko1 |
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15:19.11 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how many people it affects. |
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15:21.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4238 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg.h opkg_download.c): opkg: remove some "#if 0" code |
15:21.14 | thomasg_ | yeah, had no problem with moko1 at all |
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15:32.30 | edistar | hey! can anyone help me? no matter which DISTRO I set in my local.conf bitbake always bakes for angstrom.. and of course I want openmoko.. any tips? |
15:34.43 | ScaredyCat | isn't openmoko just a set of overrides for the standard angstrom distro |
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15:35.22 | ScaredyCat | require conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc |
15:35.22 | ScaredyCat | require conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc |
15:36.55 | edistar | ScaredyCat: I have both those files |
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15:37.06 | ScaredyCat | yes, you should... |
15:37.35 | edistar | ScaredyCat: where do I set the requires? |
15:37.37 | ScaredyCat | what I'm saying is that 'openmoko' is just angstrom with some variations |
15:37.51 | ScaredyCat | mainly source paths etc |
15:38.20 | ScaredyCat | look at ${OMDIR}/openembedded/conf/distro/openmoko.conf |
15:39.26 | edistar | ScaredyCat: would 'ls build/tmp' give my anstrom as result if I was successfully building with DISTRO=openmoko? |
15:40.17 | edistar | ScaredyCat: openmoko.conf has the two lines in it |
15:40.17 | ScaredyCat | doesn it? |
15:40.41 | edistar | ls build/tmp outputs 'angstrom' |
15:40.56 | edistar | ScaredyCat: I thought it had to output 'openmoko' |
15:41.24 | ScaredyCat | I don;t have angstom in my build/tmp and I build 'openmoko; |
15:41.58 | edistar | ScaredyCat: also if I set DISTRO="angstrom-2008.1 |
15:42.15 | edistar | then it also says DISTRO=angstrom |
15:42.23 | ScaredyCat | MACHINE = "fic-gta01" |
15:42.23 | ScaredyCat | DISTRO = "openmoko |
15:42.29 | ScaredyCat | is in my config |
15:42.52 | ScaredyCat | do you mean in the image filenames> |
15:42.53 | ScaredyCat | ? |
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15:43.18 | edistar | ScaredyCat: http://nopaste.org/p/aj8CwZM3v this is my local.conf |
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15:44.07 | Daviey | Hi, I've got a neo1973 here that i can't switch on, or is detected when i plug it in via usb.. am i being daft? |
15:44.42 | dneary | mickeyl: Ping? |
15:44.46 | `pwgen` | Daviey: empty battery ? |
15:44.51 | mjr | unplug, remove the battery for half a minute or so, plug in, _wait_ several hours to be sure, try to turn on |
15:45.06 | Daviey | `pwgen`: Isn't the usb cable there to charge it? |
15:45.19 | Daviey | mjr: oh ok |
15:45.45 | mjr | the battery removal ensures that there's no component on there to eat up all the juice from the trickle charge before it reaches the battery |
15:45.48 | `pwgen` | Daviey: if the battery is too empty it can not drive the usb to be detected and do fast charge |
15:46.03 | Daviey | ahh |
15:46.10 | edistar | ScaredyCat: when I start baking anything(e.g. openmoko-image) it says at the beginning: http://nopaste.org/p/aSV1VTYp3 |
15:46.25 | Daviey | so if i just leave it plugged in, it will still charge? |
15:46.28 | Daviey | gotcha! thanks |
15:46.42 | `pwgen` | Daviey: so it had to charge with the 20 mA until i can power the usb .. and this takes time |
15:46.44 | josch | fredthecat, I am actively using perl :-) |
15:47.02 | Daviey | okay, i'll pop back in a few hours.. thanks chaps |
15:47.55 | `pwgen` | Daviey: if you own a second battery: power it up with the second one,, and change the battery while its booting ( bas solution but it works ) |
15:48.33 | cb22 | `pwgen`: isnt that evil considering the smoke when no battery inserted but usb plugged in problem? |
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15:49.04 | Daviey | `pwgen`: nope just one :( |
15:50.06 | `pwgen` | cb22: i have done this 5 min ago , it never smokes , but be sure your usb does not give more than 5 volts ( there are some usb hubs out with 5.6 up to 6.5 Volts ) |
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15:51.15 | mwester | edistar: You're building something that's unlike anything anyone else has ever built before; it's very probable that there are mysteries aplenty in the various components you have instructed bitbake to assemble. |
15:51.58 | edistar | mwester: what's so special? machine=nokia770 only, or is there anything else too? |
15:52.02 | mwester | edistar: But start by at least removing the "~/" stuff from your local.conf; replace that with fully-qualified pathnames (IIRC there is a probability that certain recipes or even bitbake may puke over that syntax) |
15:52.04 | thos | edistar, don't you want to be building openmoko-devel-image anyway? |
15:52.23 | mwester | edistar: "openmoko" and "nokia770" are not a pair that have ever been done before, AFAIK |
15:52.27 | edistar | mwester: oO, I gave you the wrong link.. I have replaced all of them already |
15:53.01 | edistar | thos: yeah, eventually.. but no matter what I build, it seems to stick to DISTRO=angstrom |
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15:53.20 | edistar | mwester: yeah, I just thought I'd try it :) |
15:53.27 | mwester | edistar: Start by getting angstrom working on the nokia770, and then once that's all building ok, you can try to change it to "openmoko", and see if you can track down where things are being reset inappropriately. |
15:53.33 | thos | edistar, did you set your environment up correctly? |
15:53.46 | ScaredyCat | so it's not overriding it |
15:53.59 | mwester | edistar: Yes, angstrom overrides the DISTRO in certain spots. It may be that there's something about nokia770 that makes that permanent, or otherwise affects it. |
15:54.05 | edistar | thos: how do I check that? |
15:54.09 | edistar | mwester: thx for the info |
15:56.32 | ScaredyCat | edistar: you could start off with a simple conf |
15:56.44 | ScaredyCat | just the target, distro and build host |
15:56.45 | edistar | ScaredyCat: I thought mine was simple :) |
15:56.59 | edistar | I need the PREFFERED_VERSION because otherwise xomap doesn't bake |
15:57.20 | ScaredyCat | ok, well keep it in then - get rid of the other guff |
15:57.41 | edistar | ok |
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16:03.52 | ScaredyCat | thos: were you playing with opkg? |
16:04.08 | thos | yes |
16:04.29 | ScaredyCat | did you just break it? |
16:04.32 | thos | bo |
16:04.35 | thos | no* |
16:04.42 | ScaredyCat | hrmm |
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16:15.23 | ScaredyCat | it's definately broken thos |
16:16.09 | ScaredyCat | ERROR: Exception:<type 'exceptions.IOError'> Message:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/builder/newBuild/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/opkg-native-0.0+svnr4238-r1/temp/log.qa_package' |
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16:21.39 | thos | ScaredyCat, doesn't look like an opkg code issue to me |
16:21.58 | thos | ScaredyCat, looks like a bitbake issu |
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16:42.09 | ScaredyCat | http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&kc=305&l=en&oc=SV1T1051&s=bsd&sbc=pedge_t105 |
16:42.13 | ScaredyCat | £99 server |
16:46.25 | Stephmw | I can't believe they actually ask for £300 for that heap in the first place |
16:47.08 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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16:51.53 | ScaredyCat | still 99 isn't bad for a processor and a hdd |
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17:06.25 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4239 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
17:06.25 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-20 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
17:06.25 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * Makefile.am: |
17:06.26 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
17:06.26 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/dialer/Makefile.am: |
17:06.27 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/dialer/moko-history.c: (on_btn_save_clicked): |
17:06.31 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Display a list of contacts when "Add to contact" is clicked |
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17:11.10 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4240 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/: dialer: fix svn:externals |
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17:24.21 | torpor | ahem |
17:24.26 | torpor | ScaredyCat: you there? |
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17:29.39 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4241 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/dialer/moko-history.c: dialer: fix typo |
17:31.59 | thos | teach me to compile, edit, commit :-) |
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17:48.17 | torpor | ermm .. |
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17:48.27 | torpor | is there anything special to worry about, NAND-partition setup-wise? |
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18:15.24 | ccfly | hello :> |
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18:27.13 | webjames | SpeedEvil, are you around? |
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18:33.37 | webjames | anyone from the UK here? |
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18:33.58 | Stephmw | webjames: yo |
18:34.27 | webjames | Hello, StealthCP do you know who our supplier for the Freerunner will be? |
18:34.42 | webjames | Stephmw, sorry |
18:34.51 | Stephmw | webjames: no, no idea for now |
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18:36.30 | webjames | in germany it seems to be priced at 299 euros, dist by http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm and http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm |
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18:38.21 | webjames | oh well i'm sure all will be revealed soon thanks Stephmw |
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18:52.08 | PBeck | re |
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19:01.40 | `pwgen` | emdete: online and ready for questions ? |
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19:02.56 | ScaredyCat | torpor: briefly |
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19:30.02 | SirBob1701 | Sweet its in pvt |
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20:05.36 | `pwgen` | knows someone a small cmdline audioplayer for openmoko ? |
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20:22.49 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: ogg123? |
20:23.08 | J-23 | mplayer |
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20:26.59 | mwester | cat? |
20:27.32 | J-23 | hmm, music compressed with bzip2... |
20:27.48 | J-23 | zcat *.raw.bz2 > /dev/dsp :D |
20:28.43 | kdean06 | aplay not work? |
20:30.01 | mwester | white noise generator: cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp |
20:30.12 | Qwell | cat /dev/mouse > /dev/dsp |
20:30.24 | J-23 | cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/dsp |
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20:30.43 | wurp2 | Oh, ogg123 would require you to turn off pulseaudio :-( |
20:30.48 | kdean06 | mwester, I did that once. God spoke to me, but I didn't understand. ::( |
20:30.59 | wurp2 | on the other hand, it plays better w/o pulseaudio :-) |
20:31.12 | wurp2 | kdean06: Your unhappy face has four eyes. |
20:31.37 | kdean06 | Indeed. |
20:31.38 | mwester | punishment for not understanding, I bet. ;) |
20:31.51 | kdean06 | I sometimes make them with no eyes to generate cosmic balance. |
20:32.41 | wurp2 | In the two-eyed smiley face land, the smiley with four eyes is king |
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20:34.22 | devcow | hi @ll |
20:36.19 | `pwgen` | wurp2: something that runs with pulseaudio ... wt* is pulseaudio ? |
20:36.44 | Daviey | `pwgen` mjr: thanks for earlier, it's working now |
20:37.14 | devcow | i want to buy me an Neo 1973 (GTA01) how stable is it for the normal phone calls and how long does the battery alive? |
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20:38.05 | `pwgen` | Daviey: nice |
20:38.28 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: pulseaudio is the daemon responsible for mixing the sounds from various sources |
20:38.57 | abraxa__ | devcow: #neo1973-germany is your friend |
20:39.07 | wurp2 | devcow: 1) yes 2) you can rely on 4 hours w/ no rechage, and might get as much as 7 |
20:39.11 | wurp2 | for now |
20:39.20 | wurp2 | abraxa__: People selling neos there? |
20:39.33 | devcow | yes in german you can buy it |
20:39.35 | abraxa__ | wurp2: He's German, hence... |
20:39.39 | wurp2 | devcow: But you can't buy a new neo right now; FIC is retooling the production line for FreeRunner |
20:39.55 | wurp2 | abraxa__: ic |
20:40.36 | Daviey | <PROTECTED> |
20:40.37 | devcow | enable suspend is this now working? i red that it is buggy |
20:41.02 | wurp2 | it is buggy, in that wake on ring doesn't work at all consistently |
20:41.07 | wurp2 | and wake from power is currently fubar |
20:41.14 | wurp2 | wake from aux seems fine right now |
20:41.29 | `pwgen` | wurp2: i have done a little telephone application with gtk an pyneod but now i have the question " how to i let the phone ring ? " |
20:41.40 | wurp2 | w/ suspend you get 20 hours or more, but who really cares if you don't get calls :-( |
20:42.23 | devcow | okay so i have to wait till i can this basic functions. but then i will try it out |
20:42.25 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: I think aplay is probably the best option, as mentioned earlier. Others may know a better way... |
20:42.38 | `pwgen` | wurp2: vibrate ist working well |
20:42.46 | `pwgen` | ha i found it paplay |
20:44.04 | wurp2 | cool! |
20:44.37 | wurp2 | devcow: If you're waiting for that, you may wanna play the waiting game for FreeRunner |
20:45.17 | `pwgen` | is there a plan useing dbus for ringtone activation and configuration ? |
20:46.10 | devcow | yep i want an open source smartphone it has so nice features when the software is stable with all its features iphone will be soon crap ;-) |
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20:47.04 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: I think there is a general commitment to dbus, but no commitment whatsoever to a time frame for it |
20:47.33 | kdean06 | I was actually reading http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Aussie-Linux-head-Microsoft-more-open-than-iPhone/0,130061733,339287392,00.htm which was saying that Microsoft's offerings are (ATM - Openmoko and Andriod are both mentioned passingly) signifigantly more "open" than the iPhone. |
20:49.27 | wurp2 | iphone is almost as closed as you can get |
20:49.45 | SpeedEvil | Well - iphone with working security |
20:49.45 | Qwell | until you jailbreak it.. |
20:49.50 | wurp2 | it's a great piece of hardware, with really super nice software on it, but it is very closed |
20:49.57 | wurp2 | Qwell: exactly |
20:52.23 | devcow | iphone is definately too high priced it is crap in comparing it with other phones |
20:52.46 | Gottox | but it's nice looking crap :) |
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20:52.57 | devcow | it is ;-) |
20:53.26 | `pwgen` | .. but its working ... (:-(( |
20:53.33 | Daviey | sim card failure, "Network Registration Denied" :( |
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21:07.48 | pjz | is looking forward to buying older iphones on the used market in a couple years - they'll make great in-house wifi tablets |
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21:09.30 | wurp2 | sorry, iphone is nice hw *for the US* |
21:10.05 | SpeedEvil | I want cheap e-ink stuff. |
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21:10.32 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: hell, even _affordable_ e-ink stuff would be nice |
21:10.50 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
21:11.03 | SpeedEvil | I really want bare imaging film |
21:11.31 | SpeedEvil | Cover it with ITO coated film, and all you need is a PCB to get a segmented imager. |
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21:11.39 | SpeedEvil | Cover it with ITO coated film, and all you need is a PCB to get a segmented display. |
21:12.02 | wurp2 | You need some high expansion piezo pixels too |
21:12.31 | SpeedEvil | No - I mean stuff like large 7 segment displays, or custom stuff |
21:12.43 | SpeedEvil | with maybe 30 or so shapes. |
21:12.49 | wurp2 | Oh, I just want a brick covered in piezo & e-ink |
21:13.33 | SpeedEvil | I also want to make a simple viewer. |
21:14.06 | SpeedEvil | Say 12cm long, 3cm dia, with a 20cm film wrapped round it. |
21:14.58 | SpeedEvil | you unwrap the film, and simply slide the wand back and forward over it to print |
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21:25.27 | ccfly | bye |
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21:51.17 | xcasex | wurp2: for the us? |
21:51.19 | xcasex | how so. |
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22:06.25 | wurp2 | Well, I don't really track the cell phone market, but integrated google maps, media player, pic viewer, EDGE, etc. certainly looks like a nice package compared to what I've seen on other phones... |
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22:07.18 | wurp2 | I never wanted a nice cell phone before because I hate the carriers, and everything was closed & locked down. Now I love my neo, but still don't look too much at the market other than the big buzz items like iphone |
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23:07.59 | peter_harrison | Morning all |
23:08.41 | peter_harrison | Trying to import math into python on a neo. Have achieved this before, but is elluding me now. |
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23:11.53 | peter_harrison | I have installed python-math which put math.so into python2.5/lib-dynaload |
23:12.12 | peter_harrison | but the import on the python command line doesn't work. |
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23:15.30 | peter_harrison | Hmm - seem to have 'fixed' it by copying the math.so and cmath.co up a dir. |
23:15.53 | peter_harrison | Still; that doesn't seem right - it should look in this dir? |
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23:31.50 | `pwgen` | wurp2: *G* now i have dbus ringer serivce ... |
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