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| 00:00.33 | rwhitby | svn.nslu2-linux.org should be fine |
| 00:00.40 | rwhitby | what's the error message? |
| 00:04.15 | teprrr | rwhitby, hmm, sorry, couldn't catch it.. after retrying it works just fine. is your svn overused or something? :P |
| 00:04.44 | teprrr | I'm getting those pretty often.. let me see, I'll try to make update again to see if it works |
| 00:05.17 | rwhitby | nope, should be fine. |
| 00:05.47 | teprrr | svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/repos/bitbake/!svn/vcc/default' |
| 00:05.48 | teprrr | svn: REPORT of '/svnroot/repos/bitbake/!svn/vcc/default': 200 OK (http://svn.berlios.de) |
| 00:06.16 | teprrr | it looks just like that.. though that one came from svn upping inside bitbake.. the message was same with svn.nslu2-linux.org earlier |
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| 00:31.35 | kinneh | hi anybody having trouble with bluetooth on current images? |
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| 00:31.57 | kinneh | ip: Cannot find device "bnep0" |
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| 00:34.07 | SpeedEvil | seems to work for me - connecting to my GPS |
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| 00:38.00 | kinneh | hm ok thx SpeedEvil |
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| 00:39.11 | SpeedEvil | (build as of today) |
| 00:40.42 | CVirus | new salad fingers episode .. just noticed |
| 00:43.01 | josch_ | Salad Fingers |
| 00:43.01 | josch_ | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 00:43.02 | josch_ | Salad Fingers is a Flash cartoon series... <= -_- |
| 00:43.11 | ajbrun` | indeedy |
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| 00:44.52 | josch_ | Weebl and Bob |
| 00:44.53 | josch_ | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 00:44.53 | josch_ | The Everyday Happenings of Weebl (and Sometimes Weebl's Friend Bob) (best known as Weebl and Bob) is a Flash cartoon series... <= omg... |
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| 00:45.14 | ajbrun | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/ |
| 00:45.35 | ajbrun | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/Christmas+5/ |
| 00:45.57 | josch_ | Flash 9 Required |
| 00:45.58 | josch_ | Flash 9 is required to view this toon. |
| 00:45.58 | josch_ | To download the latest version of Flash please click here. |
| 00:46.37 | Stephmw | ah well ;) |
| 00:46.42 | ajbrun | why don't you have flash? |
| 00:47.30 | josch_ | sorry to flame about flash on #OPENmoko... hrhr |
| 00:48.26 | Stephmw | ajbrun: poor man might be theologically indisposed :) |
| 00:48.30 | ajbrun | there was another one that i like too, but i can't remember the name |
| 00:48.37 | ajbrun | it's a comic, not a cartoon |
| 00:48.38 | Stephmw | ajbrun: or just on *BSD |
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| 00:49.54 | ajbrun | http://dynamic.xkcd.com/comic/random/ |
| 00:49.55 | ajbrun | that 1 |
| 00:50.25 | ajbrun | http://xkcd.com/278/ |
| 00:50.26 | ajbrun | hehe |
| 00:50.49 | josch_ | ajbrun, ah xkcd os a classic - just wearing a tshirt with this one:http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 00:51.14 | ajbrun | damn you and your non-clickable links |
| 00:51.36 | ajbrun | lol |
| 00:51.53 | josch_ | ajbrun, blame your irc client :-D |
| 00:52.06 | josch_ | not my inability to write spaces ^^ |
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| 00:57.29 | Mausfuetterer | abend zusammen |
| 00:57.42 | ajbrun | welcome |
| 00:57.58 | Mausfuetterer | thx |
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| 00:58.29 | josch_ | hi Mausfuetterer - you know this is the english channel? :-D |
| 00:58.30 | ajbrun | oh wait |
| 00:58.37 | ajbrun | it's all come flooding back |
| 00:58.43 | josch_ | ajbrun, ah great! |
| 00:58.44 | ajbrun | it means "evening all" |
| 00:58.44 | Mausfuetterer | yes i know |
| 00:58.46 | ajbrun | woo |
| 00:58.58 | josch_ | Mausfuetterer, for the german channel: |
| 00:59.05 | Mausfuetterer | ok i´m off. bye |
| 00:59.07 | josch_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.14 | Mausfuetterer | thx josch_ |
| 00:59.26 | ajbrun | where there's 23 people |
| 00:59.27 | ajbrun | lol |
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| 00:59.46 | josch_ | ajbrun, how do you get to know german? |
| 00:59.58 | ajbrun | we got taught it at school |
| 01:00.09 | ajbrun | i lied - it's not all come flooding back - only that one bit |
| 01:00.09 | josch_ | ajbrun, wow cool |
| 01:00.25 | ajbrun | i can't string a sentence together |
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| 01:00.42 | josch_ | ajbrun, yeah most of the time we are around 25-30 in out german channel but there is mostly more talk than here :-) |
| 01:00.57 | ajbrun | exactly |
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| 01:03.10 | CVirus | That's a nice place to practice the language with geeks |
| 01:12.24 | Linux_Galore | I heard the number users of the German language (like many dialects) are going down. The Germens really need to promote their culture more outside of Europe. The Japanese are a good example of this. |
| 01:12.53 | Linux_Galore | s/Germens/Germans/ |
| 01:13.54 | Linux_Galore | I know of many geeks learning Japanese (or Mandarin) but non learning German |
| 01:14.14 | univac | try polish ;b |
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| 01:15.28 | Linux_Galore | well Im learning Mandarin as all our factories are based in on mainland |
| 01:15.41 | Linux_Galore | on the* |
| 01:17.34 | Linux_Galore | univac: I know lots of Polish techs here in Australia |
| 01:17.57 | univac | i'm sure, you know 'kurwa' hehe |
| 01:18.00 | univac | Yep? |
| 01:19.53 | Linux_Galore | Zobaczysz kurwa, kamasze z ciebie tylko zostan |
| 01:20.15 | Linux_Galore | weird phrase |
| 01:20.57 | univac | lol |
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| 01:21.04 | univac | hehe |
| 01:21.10 | univac | grats |
| 01:21.37 | josch | ah curse you roh!! |
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| 01:21.50 | josch | he took away my ip and my internet!! |
| 01:22.01 | josch | did I miss something? |
| 01:22.29 | Linux_Galore | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.40 | Mononoke | You missed exporting German language and dirty polish talk |
| 01:22.42 | univac | mac - missing pl font æ |
| 01:22.43 | univac | ;) |
| 01:23.23 | Linux_Galore | josch: Ni chuja |
| 01:23.44 | josch | Linux_Galore, wtf? |
| 01:23.54 | univac | lol |
| 01:23.57 | Linux_Galore | heh |
| 01:24.10 | josch | I missed exporting german and dirty polish talk? damn... |
| 01:24.11 | univac | funny ;) |
| 01:24.36 | Linux_Galore | Mononoke: Nie pogrywaj ze mn |
| 01:25.18 | univac | Linux_Galore: nice, you know a few words a bit :) |
| 01:26.15 | Linux_Galore | univac: zajebiste polish |
| 01:26.35 | Mononoke | imagine map of world with map of countries, when you press some country it will show you some basic phrases in local language(s) |
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| 01:27.15 | Linux_Galore | Mononoke: I had an idea of synchronising google translator into the NEO |
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| 01:30.12 | Linux_Galore | my polish is rubbish though, I struggle with Miło mi cię |
| 01:30.36 | univac | ;d |
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| 01:32.26 | Linux_Galore | Wesołych Świąt |
| 01:33.20 | univac | dziekuje |
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| 01:35.37 | Linux_Galore | prosze |
| 01:35.47 | univac | :> |
| 01:37.13 | Linux_Galore | strange how thats pronounced prosh-a |
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| 02:06.53 | orospakr | I just got new images flashed and I must say, everything looks a lot better! |
| 02:07.01 | orospakr | they even replaced the terrifying startup noise. :) |
| 02:07.10 | orospakr | although, calling out appears to hang the modem. |
| 02:07.21 | orospakr | but phoning in works great. |
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| 02:13.03 | orospakr | gsm.log: http://pastebin.ca/834291 |
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| 03:07.29 | teprrr | hmm, anyone else having problems not having a tarball for openmoko-panel-gps available when using MokoMakefile? |
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| 04:11.40 | mmontour | I'm looking for someone to help me test some u-boot fixes - any volunteers? You should have a GTA01Bv4, and a debug board in case something goes wrong. |
| 04:15.04 | mmontour | Files are at http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/u-boot/ if anyone is interested, but try at your own risk. |
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| 04:34.27 | moko-bunny | mmontour: I might be able to check them in an hour or so, I've updated my you-boot alot. Is there anything specific I should look for? (note that I do have a debug board, but haven't needed it yet, so I don't know how to use it) |
| 04:37.18 | mmontour | Thanks. This build contains workarounds for OM bugs #799, #887, and #1140, so those should be tested in addition to general stuff (make sure it boots properly, that you can access the console, etc.) |
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| 05:50.28 | sreekant1 | Hi all |
| 05:50.50 | sreekant1 | I got following error message when i ran make openmoko-devel-image |
| 05:50.55 | sreekant1 | NOTE: package glibc-2.5-r8: task do_package: failed |
| 05:51.20 | sreekant1 | the above said is the error message i got |
| 05:51.34 | sreekant1 | what could be the reason |
| 05:51.35 | sreekant1 | ? |
| 05:53.07 | mwester | Only about 10,000,000 things could be the problem. |
| 05:53.26 | mwester | If you check carefully in all the messages, it should tell you to look in a log file. |
| 05:53.40 | mwester | The log file will have the real error message. |
| 05:53.48 | sreekant1 | oh . |
| 05:54.03 | sreekant1 | where can i find that log file ? |
| 05:54.15 | sreekant1 | any specific path ? |
| 05:54.31 | mwester | It will either have been printed out to the screen, or the messages printed on the screen will name the log. |
| 05:54.45 | mwester | The exact path will vary. |
| 05:54.52 | sreekant1 | ok .. |
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| 06:03.40 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r3748 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c24xx-nand-boot.patch: |
| 06:03.40 | CIA-15 | openmoko: uboot-s3c24xx-nand-boot.patch: |
| 06:03.40 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - cpu/arm920t/start.S: file was patched twice, gravely upsetting quilt |
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| 06:09.30 | sreekant2 | mwester: http://pastebin.com/m1cedd97c |
| 06:10.04 | sreekant2 | mwester: the link mentioned has the output from the "make openmoko-devel-image" |
| 06:10.55 | moko-bunny | mmontour: your you-boot worked fine for me. I do not have an SD boot setup and I've never seen the messed up you-boot loader screen, but I got two successful startups without having to hold both buttons and boot through the loader. Odd thing is that it also seemed to jump-start SMS. It had stopped working for some reason a while back (not that it's bug free now by any means), but I can send and receive SMS again. My kernel and |
| 06:11.25 | mwester | sreekant2: Line 31 |
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| 06:12.14 | moko-bunny | dang abbreviation substituter! you-boot lol |
| 06:12.55 | sreekant2 | mwester: how can i solve this issue ? |
| 06:14.21 | mwester | Check the wiki for any info on qemu problems when building locales to see what others have done to solve this. |
| 06:14.39 | mwester | I don't build the locales -- takes too much time. |
| 06:15.05 | mmontour | moko-bunny: thanks for testing. I think the SMS thing is coincidence - there shouldn't be any connection to u-boot. |
| 06:15.12 | sreekant2 | mwester: ok |
| 06:15.20 | mwester | You can add the following line to your build/conf/local.conf file to disable locales: |
| 06:15.23 | mwester | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 06:15.41 | sreekant2 | oh fine |
| 06:18.29 | moko-bunny | mmontour: I agree about SMS. Funny thing is I specifically tried it with the image I built tonight. didn't work, send or receive. loaded your "you-boot" and boom.."message received" right on startup. Maybe starting through the boot loader sets the environment different somehow than the single button boot. |
| 06:20.26 | mmontour | You can check your u-boot environment from its console. The default boot uses the "bootcmd" variable while the menu uses whatever command is associated with that menu entry |
| 06:20.59 | mmontour | You might have a "console=ttyS0" statement in one of them but not in the other. That might make a difference with gsmd. |
| 06:21.58 | mmontour | (actually "console=ttySAC0,115200") |
| 06:23.18 | moko-bunny | cool, I'll check that out. |
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| 07:15.56 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r3749 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:15.56 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Support board-specific NAND initialization, and use this to make "nand |
| 07:15.56 | CIA-15 | openmoko: createbbt" on GTA02 more efficient. (Run time decreases from about 145 seconds |
| 07:15.56 | CIA-15 | openmoko: to less than ten.) |
| 07:15.56 | CIA-15 | openmoko: uboot-s3c2410-nand.patch: |
| 07:15.56 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/nand.c (s3c2410_nand_enable_hwecc): is only used in this |
| 07:16.00 | CIA-15 | openmoko: file and therefore should be "static" |
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| 08:01.26 | Linux_Galore_ | Intel Classmate laptop on sale in Vietnam http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4217198426.html |
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| 08:07.14 | sreekant1 | Hi all |
| 08:08.28 | sreekant1 | Can i run "make openmoko-devel-image" on one system and copy the contents which the make process downloaded in to another system ? |
| 08:11.32 | olv | sreekant1: I know those under sources/ can |
| 08:11.36 | olv | ScaredyCat: not sure about the others |
| 08:11.45 | olv | sreekant1: not sure about the others |
| 08:11.48 | olv | ScaredyCat: sorry :) |
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| 08:24.06 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 08:29.33 | josch | C7, ping |
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| 08:52.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1148 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:52.02 | cdbot2 | * * define SMS statu report TP-ST value |
| 08:52.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1148 |
| 08:52.51 | josch | C7, ah hat sich erledigt ^^ |
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| 09:34.01 | hrw | morning |
| 09:34.18 | hrw | olv: you can share sources between machines |
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| 09:57.28 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:32.50 | pavelm | Hello, everyone. |
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| 10:35.58 | pavelm | (hello to czech republic) |
| 10:36.15 | pavelm | ...and wonders, is there working SMS app already? |
| 10:39.35 | pavelm | ...pretty quiet around here. Is everyone hacking android or what? ;-) |
| 10:42.35 | dorje77 | :) |
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| 10:52.05 | hrw | hi pavel |
| 10:52.16 | hrw | pavelm: how are your clothes? |
| 10:52.37 | hrw | pavelm: and there is sms app working |
| 10:54.16 | jeddy3 | whats the best place for latest "semi-official" images? CM's, scaredycats? |
| 10:56.05 | balrog-kun | buildhost.openmoko.org i guess |
| 10:56.20 | balrog-kun | CM's and scaresycats should be mostly identical though |
| 10:57.25 | jeddy3 | balrog-kun, builhost havent been updated in over a month :) |
| 10:57.34 | jeddy3 | buildhost* |
| 10:58.06 | hrw | jeddy3: they started it again |
| 10:58.41 | jeddy3 | hrw, hmm, where? i just checked it |
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| 10:59.25 | jeddy3 | doh, I looked in old dirs :/...nevermind :) |
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| 10:59.59 | jeddy3 | balrog-kun, my bad |
| 11:01.28 | balrog-kun | yeah, it's since yesterday only |
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| 11:28.19 | sreekant1 | Hi .. |
| 11:28.43 | sreekant1 | i got following error when i ran make openmoko-devel-image |
| 11:28.45 | sreekant1 | http://pastebin.ca/834674 |
| 11:32.25 | sreekant1 | what could be the reason for the error ? |
| 11:36.01 | rwhitby | sreekant1: looks like a bad tar file in /home/sreekanth/OpenMoko/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git._9912121f7ed804ea58fd62f3f230b5dcfc357d88.tar.gz |
| 11:36.29 | rwhitby | I would suggest removing that file, and rebuilding that package. |
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| 11:44.51 | rwhitby | wonder if this would run openmoko: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/android-prototype-lets-hope-looks-can-be-deceiving/ |
| 11:44.58 | rwhitby | (that's the form-factor that I like) |
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| 11:51.13 | yoyo_ | hi all |
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| 12:08.23 | sreekant1 | hi |
| 12:08.37 | Tetraden | hi |
| 12:08.50 | sreekant1 | is it possible to re run a particular failed process in the make openmoko-devel-image ? |
| 12:09.37 | sreekant1 | basically a download got corrupted due to network disurption and so i am not able top proceede with the make openmoko-devel-image ... |
| 12:09.39 | SpeedEvil | just re-run the make, and it'll redo it |
| 12:09.51 | SpeedEvil | or delete teh download, and re-run |
| 12:09.58 | SpeedEvil | (as I understand it) |
| 12:10.13 | sreekant1 | when i delete the download, it is saying file not found error |
| 12:10.25 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. How far into the build are you? |
| 12:10.47 | sreekant1 | done with 731 tasks out of 5275 |
| 12:11.01 | SpeedEvil | I think that's around 1/3 done. |
| 12:11.07 | sreekant1 | oh |
| 12:11.23 | SpeedEvil | sorry - I've never had to do this. |
| 12:11.37 | sreekant1 | where does the process store the current task that has to run |
| 12:11.38 | sreekant1 | ? |
| 12:11.44 | SpeedEvil | No idea. |
| 12:11.45 | rwhitby | delete the corresponding OE fetch stamp in build/tmp/stamps |
| 12:11.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:12.36 | sreekant1 | ok .. |
| 12:13.03 | Tetraden | can anyone tell me why there are mailing lists like "announcements" if they are silent since september? |
| 12:13.47 | SpeedEvil | The administrator of the announcements mailing list has been kidnapped by Nokia. We are working behind the scene for his release. |
| 12:14.41 | sreekant1 | rwhitby: i have three folders inside build/tmp/stamps |
| 12:14.59 | rwhitby | sreekant1: find the one which holds the stamp for the package in question |
| 12:15.16 | sreekant1 | how can i know that ? |
| 12:15.37 | sreekant1 | do i need to check the console output for that stamp? |
| 12:15.57 | rwhitby | ls */*u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native* doesn't tell you? |
| 12:16.41 | yoyo_ | wooo yesterday I find out what is Xdmx ^.^ brilliant :) |
| 12:18.01 | sreekant1 | rwhitby: I am getting no such file or directory error |
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| 12:19.42 | rwhitby | sreekant1: you have two choices: find the fetch stamp, or start from scratch. |
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| 12:20.10 | sreekant1 | oh |
| 12:20.12 | Tetraden | Mmh, is someone here so far into the project, that he can tell when it _COULD_ be done? The public informations suggest the hardware is (or should be) ready. |
| 12:20.25 | SpeedEvil | no it doesn't. |
| 12:20.40 | SpeedEvil | the current version of hardware is available. |
| 12:20.57 | SpeedEvil | the next version (with wifi/...) will maybe be available im march. |
| 12:21.31 | SpeedEvil | I would be astonished to see it in shops before christmas. |
| 12:21.35 | rwhitby | yeah, it's even slipped past my pessimistic forecast that I made in August. |
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| 12:22.34 | Tetraden | lol, where do you know this from? what mailinglist I have to subscribe? :) |
| 12:23.04 | SpeedEvil | assorted stuff |
| 12:24.23 | Tetraden | I'm not a developer or something like this, but I really would like to be informed if certain announces can't be hold in. :/ |
| 12:27.20 | SpeedEvil | It's been a repeated complaint that no information is coherently released. |
| 12:27.36 | SpeedEvil | It tends to be 'leaked' in blogs, comments in IRC or in person. |
| 12:29.12 | SpeedEvil | And while of course it's not possible to give concrete 'it will be available' timescales, it's quite possible to say that previous announcements now can't be met. |
| 12:29.19 | SpeedEvil | Which repeatedly has not happened. |
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| 12:31.57 | mickeyl | re |
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| 12:32.19 | mickeyl | anyone had a chance to check the uboot fix yet? |
| 12:32.38 | mickeyl | _you_ have no debug board? |
| 12:32.42 | mickeyl | that's a shame |
| 12:32.44 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:32.45 | mickeyl | want one? |
| 12:33.18 | SpeedEvil | It would be very handy - I'm interested in hacking uboot, but have been unwilling to touch it. |
| 12:33.58 | mickeyl | for sure. send me your snail mail address and I'll ship it to you on monday |
| 12:34.09 | mickeyl | s/ship it/send it/ |
| 12:36.21 | mickeyl | ok, i'm going to be guinea pig then |
| 12:37.35 | sreekant1 | rwhitby: you there ? |
| 12:38.14 | sreekant1 | rwhitby: I found out the file you mentioned |
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| 12:46.33 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 12:46.36 | mickeyl | doesn't fix it for me |
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| 13:30.46 | jeddy3 | has anyone been able to get the neo to act as a bluetooth gps? |
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| 13:33.15 | CoreDump | jeddy3: good question |
| 13:33.25 | CoreDump | that would certainly be pretty useful |
| 13:34.03 | jeddy3 | yes :), i'm particulary looking at the n800 with free maps sitting beside neo :) |
| 13:35.01 | hrw | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4911UER9bI |
| 13:35.16 | hrw | it is possible |
| 13:35.31 | hrw | pavel machek wrote about it over half year ago on his blog |
| 13:35.54 | jeddy3 | hrw, yes i'm reading his guide right now...but can't get it to work |
| 13:36.11 | jeddy3 | i'm missing the sdpd deamon first of all |
| 13:37.06 | hrw | bluez got changed since then |
| 13:39.56 | jeddy3 | hmmm, yes, it seems i maybe don't need sdpd |
| 13:40.32 | rtp | jeddy3: iirc sdpd is gone in recent bluez |
| 13:40.44 | jeddy3 | rtp, yes seems like you're right |
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| 14:04.47 | jeddy3 | root@fic-gta01:~$ tail -f /tmp/gps.gllin > /dev/rfcomm0 |
| 14:04.47 | jeddy3 | -sh: cannot create /dev/rfcomm0: No such device |
| 14:04.59 | jeddy3 | odd, i already have it, and can listen to it |
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| 14:35.02 | ktk | LaF0rge: I think to remember that there was a page from you explaining how to start reversing mobile phone firmware. tried googling it but no luck so far |
| 14:35.20 | ktk | LaF0rge: was that you and if so, is that page still online? |
| 14:35.25 | SpeedEvil | ktk: find the lead developer late at night, and hand large wadge of cash? |
| 14:35.45 | ktk | hehe |
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| 15:02.22 | jeddy3 | how to set pin on bluetooth? |
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| 15:05.27 | hrw | edit /etc/default/bluetooth iir |
| 15:05.28 | hrw | c |
| 15:08.21 | jeddy3 | hmmm, is there a default pin? |
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| 15:10.13 | rtp | jeddy3: try playing with /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf |
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| 15:12.46 | jeddy3 | rtp, yes, that seems to it thanks |
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| 15:29.38 | ifeel | what about the state of art with gta02?? The hardware isn't confirmed yet I suppose... |
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| 15:35.33 | SpeedEvil | As far as we understand it, unfortunately not. |
| 15:38.04 | ifeel | SpeedEvil: are developers at the moment working on GTA01 or GTA02?? |
| 15:40.01 | SpeedEvil | the core developers are mainly working on getting GTA02 hardware working |
| 15:40.08 | SpeedEvil | everyone else has 01 |
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| 15:44.01 | ifeel | ok...so we'll see results of hardware testing on 02 very soon I hope... |
| 15:44.19 | SpeedEvil | Well - maybe. |
| 15:44.40 | SpeedEvil | I'd nbot expect purchasable 02's before march at the earliest. |
| 15:45.15 | ifeel | so we're talking of confirmed hardware for march?? |
| 15:45.45 | balrog-kun | from what i hear the hardware works ok |
| 15:46.02 | ifeel | balrog-kun: really?? |
| 15:46.09 | balrog-kun | the ui developers use gta02 too because you don't need the battery to keep it on |
| 15:46.49 | balrog-kun | there are some hardware bugs identified that will be addresses in the v5 or whatever revision |
| 15:47.19 | SpeedEvil | The drivers for GTA02 are not complete enough - as I understand it - to rule out the possibility of unknown hardware bugs. |
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| 15:47.37 | SpeedEvil | And they want to get them complete enough before committing to a new hardware revision with possible buigs |
| 15:49.57 | balrog-kun | right, there could be more bugs in the parts that are unused yet |
| 15:50.41 | balrog-kun | that's at least the accelerometers and maybe some features of the glamo |
| 15:51.40 | SpeedEvil | And damn near all of the powersaving stuff AIUI |
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| 15:52.41 | balrog-kun | oh yes |
| 15:57.01 | josch | LaF0rge, ping!! |
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| 16:00.56 | wibbit | balrog-kun: glamo? |
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| 16:45.13 | hrw | glamo |
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| 17:12.28 | wurp2 | When I do 'ipkg install -d card' I get a message that card is an invalid destination |
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| 17:12.34 | wurp2 | likewise /media/card |
| 17:13.07 | wurp2 | Does anyone know the correct way to get ipkg to install apps to my sd card instead of flash? |
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| 17:13.57 | kamathln | wurp2: newbie's wild guess : chroot ?? |
| 17:15.04 | wurp2 | kamathln: I'm sure that could be made to work, but it probably would be a lot of work to set up, and it probably also wouldn't work with ipkg-link |
| 17:15.34 | wurp2 | I was hoping someone would know the magic word to give the -d parameter, since the wiki appears to be inaccurate on this one |
| 17:16.15 | kamathln | wurp2: ok. |
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| 17:19.40 | Marcel_M | wurp2: iirc you have to add "dest card /media/card" to /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:20.36 | Marcel_M | and i think you need to install ipkg-link |
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| 17:28.37 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:43.22 | magellan | Can someone tell me the basics of adding the usb_host patch to the kernel ? I have moko makefile with the current revision built, now I just need to copy the patch to the right place and tell moko makefile to compile it in, how do I get the makefile to include it? |
| 17:43.45 | magellan | Ive never done any kernel work and am overwhelmed. |
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| 17:48.34 | wurp2 | Marcel_M: You think I need ipkg-link before I can use the -d parameter on ipgk install? |
| 17:48.50 | wurp2 | I too have done no kerne work |
| 17:49.17 | wurp2 | I would think you could grep through the makefiles and find where the patch command is applied to figure out where to copy the patch and what target to call |
| 17:49.24 | wurp2 | s/kerne/kernel/ |
| 17:51.17 | Marcel_M | wurp2: sorry cant remeber just try it |
| 17:51.20 | mwester | magellan: try: http://moko.mwester.net/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r10.1-neo1973.bin |
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| 17:51.57 | magellan | the moko makefile documentation talks about using a quilt command to put new things in the build tree but it doesn't cover kernel patches this way, I would think there would be a similar way which didnt involve changing the makefile |
| 17:52.14 | magellan | mwester, what is this |
| 17:52.30 | magellan | I have tried one kernel which claims to have it built in but it didn't work |
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| 17:53.59 | magellan | mwester: how does one patch the kernel like it appears you have done? |
| 17:56.47 | Marcel_M | maggellan: add "file://s3c2410-usb-switch.patch;patch=1 \" into SRC_URI section of openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.22.5.bb and cp the patch to openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko an do a "make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko" |
| 17:57.04 | Marcel_M | magellan |
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| 18:07.55 | magellan | MarcelM: how did you learn to do this |
| 18:08.09 | magellan | is there documentation that I have missed? |
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| 18:10.28 | Marcel_M | dunno if there is a doc |
| 18:11.24 | magellan | Marcel_M: well it is making right now so we will see if it works |
| 18:11.38 | Marcel_M | great |
| 18:11.54 | magellan | is moko makefile the way most people are coding for the neo? |
| 18:12.01 | magellan | or toolchain |
| 18:12.10 | Marcel_M | let me know if you got the usb-host running ;) |
| 18:12.33 | mwester | The documentation would be found in the OE documentation. |
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| 18:12.47 | Marcel_M | thanks mwester! |
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| 18:14.06 | magellan | wonder if I can test this under qemu |
| 18:15.06 | magellan | I need to see if the file "usb_mode" shows up under /sys/......../usb |
| 18:21.58 | mwester | It's not in /sys/.../usb; it's in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode |
| 18:23.45 | balrog-kun | oh that might work under qemu |
| 18:23.54 | balrog-kun | and you wouldn't need a special powered hub :p |
| 18:24.20 | balrog-kun | actually it should work with an unpatched kernel |
| 18:25.17 | magellan | it didn't work with the unpatched kernel |
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| 18:28.40 | magellan | well usb_mode is now in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/ as it should be while under qemu |
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| 18:29.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3750 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/neo1973.c: Preliminary LIS302DL accelerometers in the GTA02F. |
| 18:29.02 | magellan | now I should just have to send it to the device |
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| 18:29.50 | magellan | thanks mwester, balrog and Marcel |
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| 18:31.17 | balrog-kun | with an unpatched kernel i have no usb_mode file in there but ohci works and you can attach devices to it |
| 18:32.08 | SpeedEvil | you modprobe ohci? |
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| 18:33.49 | balrog-kun | i use a non-modular kernel normally |
| 18:34.30 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 18:35.04 | SpeedEvil | as it can't automagically switch from device to host mode. |
| 18:35.45 | balrog-kun | on the real hardware i think you're right, i was talking about qemu, sorry if i was unclear |
| 18:36.29 | balrog-kun | in qemu it can work in both modes at the same time because the two usb sockets are not melded into one |
| 18:36.35 | SpeedEvil | Oh right. |
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| 18:41.24 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 18:43.00 | bedboi | is there any news about GPS softwares? |
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| 18:58.20 | wurp2 | bedboi: the gps software is working |
| 18:58.52 | wurp2 | do you mean the driver, or some gps navigation gui, or what? |
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| 19:04.41 | SpeedEvil | The binary driver has been released. |
| 19:04.43 | SpeedEvil | and 'works'. |
| 19:09.48 | wurp2 | why the 's? |
| 19:12.32 | Elrond | Unless it's a newer version then the internal one, it's... well... it could be better. ;) |
| 19:13.09 | wurp2 | I guess all I care about is that it feeds me timestamps & lat/longs |
| 19:13.11 | wurp2 | and it does that |
| 19:13.56 | Elrond | Well, if you don't move, it always gices the same coords. ;) |
| 19:14.16 | Elrond | (which sounds right, but is wrong for gps) |
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| 19:16.36 | wurp2 | hmm |
| 19:16.45 | wurp2 | I can see that there should be variation for error |
| 19:16.53 | wurp2 | but what other variation should there be? |
| 19:21.15 | Elrond | Exactly the variation due to error. And that's basicly missing. |
| 19:22.06 | wurp2 | So, once it gets a fix for a location, it just doesn't update from the satellites again until you move? |
| 19:23.24 | Elrond | Basicly yes. |
| 19:23.50 | Elrond | Maybe it updates after a minute or so. I think. |
| 19:24.12 | Elrond | I probably should retry, so that I can trick around it. |
| 19:24.26 | wurp2 | that is weird |
| 19:24.33 | wurp2 | you would think they would have to do that explicitly |
| 19:25.09 | Elrond | What? |
| 19:27.40 | wurp2 | I mean, it seems they would have to go out of their way to do the wrong thing |
| 19:27.47 | wurp2 | to make it not update when you're not moving |
| 19:29.53 | Elrond | Well, the hammerhead is often used in car navigation. And if you're standing at the traffic sign and waiting to drive on, you wouldn't want the "driving direction" (which is deduced from last position --> current position) to change like mad. |
| 19:30.09 | wurp2 | true... |
| 19:30.20 | wurp2 | but it seems easy enough to allow for error on the client side |
| 19:30.40 | wurp2 | I'd rather be able to get access to the raw data, and then have another api that fudges it for practical reasons |
| 19:30.42 | Elrond | The solution is letting the consumer choose. |
| 19:30.55 | Elrond | Yeah, or that. |
| 19:31.21 | Elrond | The above is my personal guess, why the thing acts in that way. |
| 19:31.58 | wurp2 | makes sense |
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| 19:33.45 | Elrond | Also it has some "smoothing": If you drive with 10km/h north, and then abruptly drive west, the reported position still goes on north for a few secs and then does a smooth quarter circle like thing. |
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| 19:36.49 | Elrond | Which also makes some sense for car usage. For car usage you usually don't drive like that mad, you drive smooth, and so it makes sense to smooth out the noisy data. |
| 19:37.34 | wurp2 | Yeah, but again I would rather have a low level & high level api |
| 19:38.04 | wurp2 | sometimes I know better than they do what the output means, and maybe I want to put a bunch of work into heuristic algorithms that just do a better job than they do |
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| 19:41.10 | Elrond | Right, right. |
| 19:41.27 | Elrond | Just that API doesn't seem to exist. |
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| 19:42.01 | Elrond | We were trying to reverse engineer the hardware, but I have to admit, other stuff attracted me more lately. |
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| 19:42.55 | wurp2 | The 02 hardware kind of bypasses that whole thing by just giving nmea data directly, doesn't it? |
| 19:44.10 | Elrond | I don't know exactly, what info has been released about 02. |
| 19:44.32 | Elrond | The driver for the 01 gives NMEA too, just it's "preprocessed". |
| 19:44.39 | wurp2 | I thought I saw a comment on the wiki that the new gps puts out nmea directly |
| 19:44.39 | SpeedEvil | the GPS chipset simply outputs NMEA in 02 |
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| 19:45.33 | wurp2 | hey, on the 01, my mp3 player stutters |
| 19:45.39 | Elrond | Ahh, so it's official now. |
| 19:46.10 | wurp2 | Should I just nice it, or is there some other technique I should be using? |
| 19:46.26 | balrog-kun | the ANTARIS supports other protocols too |
| 19:46.34 | balrog-kun | all of which are docummented, so it's pretty cool |
| 19:46.40 | wurp2 | very cool! |
| 19:46.53 | Elrond | balrog-kun - :-) |
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| 19:47.48 | balrog-kun | the manufacturer claim their other binary protocol is more efective and i think there's a c lib to parse it |
| 19:47.52 | balrog-kun | claims |
| 19:48.16 | Elrond | I guess, gpsd can talk it. ;) |
| 19:48.35 | Elrond | And yes, the binary protocols are usually better. |
| 19:48.46 | Elrond | I played a lot with the sirf3 binary stuff. |
| 19:49.00 | mmontour | Elrond: let me know if you ever re-start your Hammerhead reverse-engineering. I have some newer stuff that I haven't checked into the sphyrna repository yet. |
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| 19:49.31 | Elrond | mmontour - Ahh, yeah. I also have some non-checked-in stuff. :-| |
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| 19:53.37 | mmontour | Elrond: I plan to do some more Hammerhead work over the next few days. What sort of non-checked-in stuff do you have? |
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| 20:02.36 | Elrond | mmontour - Mostly a pygtk frontend for plotting live data on te neo. ;) |
| 20:02.42 | Elrond | It's a quick and bad hack. |
| 20:06.19 | josch | is LaF0rge around? :-( |
| 20:06.40 | josch | who at 24c3 saw him or will see him? |
| 20:08.51 | LarstiQ | josch: Jeroen might |
| 20:10.16 | tsuramoto | Jeroen :) |
| 20:10.22 | tsuramoto | sounds dutch to me :) |
| 20:10.32 | josch | why Jeroen ? |
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| 20:11.47 | josch | who is he? |
| 20:12.03 | josch | LarstiQ, ? |
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| 20:33.45 | LarstiQ | josch_: because he is at the 24c3? |
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| 21:05.14 | Jeroen | I've indeed seen LaF0rge walking around yesterday |
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| 21:25.24 | josch_ | Jeroen, yeah but.... okay well I will just pose my question here |
| 21:26.01 | josch_ | me and Obri have a problem with neo1973 gta01 hardware running non-openmoko - the tft seems to flicker just as the cpu is being used |
| 21:26.14 | josch_ | heavy flickering on high cpu use and low flickeriung on low use |
| 21:26.17 | josch_ | so... why? |
| 21:26.29 | josch_ | this is not just in X but also in framebuffer console |
| 21:33.29 | SpeedEvil | if you've screwed up the divisor settings, the framebuffer will contend for memory bandwidth with the CPU I think |
| 21:37.40 | rtp | josch_: 640x480 is consuming a lot of bandwith so you should not expect too much with high cpu use. Switch to QVGA mode, I expect it'll be better |
| 21:39.41 | josch_ | rtp, wohooo wait but openmoko also uses 640x480 |
| 21:49.28 | rtp | josch_: yeah, but afaik the 2410 is idle most of the time. If you have time, just compute the bandwith usage as explained in the 2410 um :) |
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| 21:52.18 | josch_ | oh I don't have time ^^ but why does it work in openmoko and doesn't with normal xorg? |
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| 22:01.23 | rtp | josch_: I only play with the kernel. I've no idea how is configured userspace stuff, sorry |
| 22:04.32 | josch_ | rtp, :-) thx anyway ^^ |
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| 22:28.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1149 has been created by andrew(AT)orospakr.ca |
| 22:28.02 | cdbot2 | * * Incoming calls work perfectly, but outgoing calls silently fail. |
| 22:28.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1149 |
| 22:28.19 | orospakr | that was the bug I was describing in here last night. |
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| 22:50.04 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to contact Michael Shiloh? |
| 22:50.23 | wurp2 | I need to ask about turnaround time for the modem firmware install on GTA01 |
| 22:51.08 | wurp2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:13.30 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to contact Michael Shiloh? |
| 23:14.17 | mmontour | wurp2: You could try the 'From:' address of one of his posts to the community mailing list. |
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| 23:15.31 | wurp2 | I think I subscribed after his last email, and the addy is (rightly) hidden in the web archives |
| 23:15.48 | wurp2 | I searched in my gmail for his name and came up with nuthin' |
| 23:16.22 | wurp2 | Thanks for the reply, though :-) |
| 23:16.31 | wurp2 | CoreDump took care of me |
| 23:16.33 | wurp2 | Thanks! |
| 23:19.25 | NineX | someone who maitaining MAkefile sholud fix makefile : s/uboot-openmoko/u-boot-openmoko/ :> |
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| 23:24.02 | XorA | wurp2: you got the adress now? |
| 23:24.31 | XorA | NineX: I'm sure rwhitby will what .au wakes up |
| 23:28.19 | CIA-15 | ow |
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| 23:29.14 | rwhitby | Makefile rev 174 has the fix. Seems that kicking CIA-15 didn't wake it up to report. |
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| 23:37.16 | rwhitby | NineX, XorA: did that fix it? |
| 23:39.01 | XorA | rwhitby: no idea, Im on vacation :-) |
| 23:41.06 | rwhitby | XorA: so am I ;-) |
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| 23:43.02 | mmontour | rwhitby: that fixed it for me (although my build is now breaking on matchbox-applet-startup-monitor) |
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| 23:48.23 | cyrill62 | Hi! |
| 23:48.37 | cyrill62 | I'd problem with ipkg... |
| 23:49.07 | cyrill62 | I want to install libgsmd but ipkg not found it |
| 23:49.38 | cyrill62 | and in 'ipkg list' or 'ipkg info' it found to version of libgsmd |
| 23:49.49 | cyrill62 | somebody can help me? |
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| 23:51.18 | cyrill62 | and in 'ipkg list' or 'ipkg info' it found two version of libgsmd |
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| 23:54.50 | zicho | When will Neo1973 be released "for the masses"? |
| 23:55.44 | SpeedEvil | Maybe christmas. |
| 23:55.49 | SpeedEvil | As in available in stores. |
| 23:55.54 | SpeedEvil | And that's optimistic. |
| 23:55.57 | zicho | Christmas 2008? |
| 23:56.27 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:56.44 | SpeedEvil | It's first got to get stable hardware. Maybe march. |
| 23:56.54 | zicho | Okay, geez thats a long time =/ |
| 23:57.07 | SpeedEvil | Then it's probably got to get a quadband revision out. Maybe June. |
| 23:57.30 | SpeedEvil | Then the software has to be polished enough that stores would consider handling it. |
| 23:57.55 | SpeedEvil | and then you've got at least a 3-6 month leadtime from demoing it to a store buyer to it hitting the shelves. |
| 23:58.10 | zicho | The "Developer preview" released now, how stable is it to use as a regular phone? |
| 23:58.24 | cyrill62 | somebody can help me? |
| 23:58.51 | SpeedEvil | zicho: some builds work quite well - others not. Basically as a phone - a nokia 1110 beats it in every way. |
| 23:59.11 | SpeedEvil | cyt: dunno - try ipkg remove and upgrade? |
| 23:59.22 | zicho | Ah, okay... |