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| 00:59.30 | roh | abraxa_ well.. you know.. if our documentation and web infrastructure is better it means less of the same questions end up in my mailbox and less confused people |
| 00:59.55 | roh | so its making my life easier when i find out how to make that stuff better |
| 01:00.41 | daMaestro | roh, good work on getting ipkg updates working (i'm trying to randomly thank developers) |
| 01:01.17 | roh | ipkg updates? that wasnt me |
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| 01:20.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 972 has been created by kristian(AT)mput.de |
| 01:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * - PowerButton kills "Home" |
| 01:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=972 |
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| 01:27.16 | oc2k1 | hi |
| 01:28.35 | oc2k1 | Does anyone know anything about the Smedia 3d accelerator? |
| 01:31.36 | abraxa_ | oc2k1: Reading the data sheet is your best bet atm, I'd think |
| 01:31.56 | abraxa_ | roh: Yeah, I understand - was just being sarcastic :) |
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| 01:32.40 | oc2k1 | for example it would be nice to know how much ram for textures can be used |
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| 01:33.36 | oc2k1 | I hope I will get a Neo1973 phase to instead a greenphone that I've won on qtcentre |
| 01:33.42 | oc2k1 | 2 |
| 01:34.23 | oc2k1 | Maybe I could write some small opengl games |
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| 01:35.14 | abraxa_ | Well, 3D drivers are waaaay down the road |
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| 01:38.55 | oc2k1 | The specifications are looking similar to the voodoo 1.... |
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| 03:10.10 | Psi_ | does the latest build get stuck with anyone else? |
| 03:10.33 | Psi_ | if i leave mine too long the screen goes blank and the gui doesnt come back |
| 03:10.42 | Psi_ | this is while plugged in |
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| 04:03.51 | xzcvczx | Psi_: if you press power button? |
| 04:24.11 | daMaestro | roh, i wasn't saying it was.. i just know you're on the team and you can relay the appreciations to the crew |
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| 04:35.49 | roh | daMaestro will do. thanks |
| 04:36.07 | daMaestro | the platform is really coming along, so good work |
| 04:36.20 | daMaestro | i *do* want my GPS to work though (GTA01) |
| 04:37.37 | roh | well.. i want that also |
| 04:37.48 | roh | btw.. i pimped projects.openmoko.org a bit;) |
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| 04:39.27 | daMaestro | nice |
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| 04:44.44 | roh | not as nice as i want it, but at least it has the common header now |
| 04:48.35 | xaid | consistency is good :) by the way, does the main projects page update? it seems the latest entries there haven't updated in a long time.. |
| 04:50.37 | xaid | to be more specific, I ment the "Latest News" part of the main page. |
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| 04:55.20 | roh | xaid ah.. uh.. i think somebody has to ack news entries... |
| 04:55.32 | roh | dunno who should do that yet... |
| 04:56.36 | roh | i just find my way into that gforge thingie.. its quite a monster. cvs, svn, http, postgres, mailman, php, html, css.. i am just glad i got that theme working |
| 04:57.55 | xaid | its not a problem, i wasn't sure if its just the case where noone was posting news articles there or if i had to be registered to view them :) |
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| 04:59.13 | daMaestro | hmm no updates |
| 05:00.12 | daMaestro | and feedreader seems to not be working |
| 05:01.28 | johnny | i'm having odd troubles with building here |
| 05:01.59 | xaid | brb, hit a mmap() kernel bug :| time for a reboot. |
| 05:02.32 | johnny | svn: REPORT request failed on '/repos/matchbox/!svn/vcc/default' |
| 05:02.33 | johnny | svn: Cannot replace a directory from within |
| 05:02.45 | johnny | after openmoko-today |
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| 05:03.57 | roh | uh... nice.. new music for worktimes http://kor.gazaxian.com/index.php/category/dj-sets/ |
| 05:04.15 | roh | MixSessionA1 is nice hacking music |
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| 05:06.13 | mwester | johnny: delete openmoko/trunk (if you are using the master makefile). Then do a make update and start the build again. |
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| 05:24.45 | johnny | aha.. here is the original error :0 |
| 05:24.46 | johnny | Fetching external item into 'src/inotify' |
| 05:24.46 | johnny | svn: URL 'http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-desktop-2/src/inotify' doesn't exist |
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| 05:42.26 | Psi_ | <xzcvczx> Psi_: if you press power button? the screen flashes white for like 1/4 a sec then black again |
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| 06:05.14 | dcordes | could somebody check if openmoko-dates2 builds? |
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| 06:07.24 | CM | dcordes: I'll update and give it a try |
| 06:07.41 | dcordes | thanks |
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| 06:16.46 | CM | dcordes: NOTE: package openmoko-dates2-0.1.0+svnr658: completed |
| 06:16.54 | CM | Just did an update before |
| 06:17.18 | dcordes | thanks |
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| 06:56.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 973 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 06:56.02 | cdbot2 | * * Machine Plugin needed |
| 06:56.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=973 |
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| 07:03.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 974 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 07:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * Timeout Scheme |
| 07:03.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=974 |
| 07:03.37 | CM | Nice to see that gsmd is getting som attention :) |
| 07:05.16 | Sup3rkiddo | too bad, i dunno gsm specs, otherwise my good mind tells me to go and fire some cool code |
| 07:08.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 975 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 07:08.02 | cdbot2 | * * GTA02 wake up scheme (pull pin) |
| 07:08.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=975 |
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| 07:14.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 976 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 07:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * GSMD Production Test program |
| 07:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=976 |
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| 07:20.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 977 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 07:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * GSMD unit test scheme |
| 07:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=977 |
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| 07:40.33 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 07:51.08 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:13.39 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3328 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/ (configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-usb.c): openmoko-panel-usb: remove usb code, add dbus listener |
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| 08:25.14 | flexd | goooood morning \o/ |
| 08:26.06 | cjb_ie | *sceptical look* |
| 08:27.08 | cjb_ie | see! i knew it wasn't going to be good. |
| 08:27.36 | flexd | sceptisism (or how you spell it) does not lead to good things, be positive! |
| 08:27.36 | flexd | :D |
| 08:28.43 | flaushy | moin |
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| 08:47.57 | Xx13 | hi all, when 'ipkg upgrade' runs out of space, what are the packages that can safely be removed? |
| 08:53.28 | goxboxlive | **************************************************** |
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| 08:54.19 | emdete | Xx13: depends on what functionality you need |
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| 08:54.37 | Xx13 | heh, i don't want to loose any |
| 08:54.53 | emdete | Xx13: i found bonnie++ useless |
| 08:55.08 | Xx13 | is it big? |
| 08:55.10 | emdete | i also deinstalled avahi&bridging stuff |
| 08:55.23 | thos | Xx13: upgrade shouldn't cause it to run out of space unless you have already installed extra packages |
| 08:55.38 | emdete | i don't know exactly, those packages are in a script i fire after flashing |
| 08:55.49 | emdete | there is a memtester also |
| 08:56.06 | emdete | tcpdump & portmap are candidates |
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| 08:59.13 | Xx13 | thos, but i haven't ... insalled/removed mplyer, then installed it back to the card, yesterday, upgrade ran outta space |
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| 09:02.59 | emdete | strange... anyway jffs2 sucks, i run out of space on / also and now can't even delete a file... :/ |
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| 09:03.07 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 09:05.14 | Xx13 | emdete: yup, sometimes ipkg remove just hangs. I guess you can always reflash rootfs |
| 09:05.30 | emdete | Xx13: loosing everthing in there... |
| 09:06.24 | Xx13 | if you have done some changes yes, i think the only thing i changed is resolve.conf |
| 09:06.48 | emdete | i changed alot... |
| 09:07.41 | emdete | ...but perhaps it's time for a new rootfs, you may be right :/ |
| 09:07.47 | Ghiottone|work | mornin |
| 09:08.25 | Xx13 | you can easely make a tarball of the whole system just in case there was something important |
| 09:08.34 | emdete | i just do ;) |
| 09:08.42 | Xx13 | ;) |
| 09:09.21 | emdete | hm, sshfs doesn't work... :/ |
| 09:10.44 | Xx13 | you can do ssh root@...202 tar -zc / >tarball.tgz |
| 09:12.14 | emdete | shure, but i just tried sshfs for using meld on it later... works fine, normaly. |
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| 09:15.22 | Xx13 | is there samba? |
| 09:18.02 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3329 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/navigation-area.c src/tool-box.c): |
| 09:18.03 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/navigation-area.c: (navigation_area_new): |
| 09:18.03 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/tool-box.c: (tool_box_new): |
| 09:18.03 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Fix compiler warnings |
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| 09:32.38 | torpor | hi gang |
| 09:32.49 | torpor | having trouble with webkit here .. anyone else? |
| 09:32.59 | emdete | torpor: which one? |
| 09:33.27 | torpor | ermm .. webkit-svn |
| 09:33.45 | torpor | waiting for an update to complete then i'll build it again and get the details |
| 09:33.49 | emdete | :D no... which trouble? |
| 09:33.52 | torpor | (was busted as of last night, and i just picked up now) |
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| 09:35.51 | XorA | torpor: built last night and now |
| 09:35.55 | torpor | ok |
| 09:36.05 | torpor | just waiting for update to complete and i'll try again |
| 09:38.19 | torpor | man its slow .. |
| 09:39.57 | emdete | torpor: can you tell a little about what you are doing with webkit? |
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| 09:43.33 | torpor | emdete: just trying to build it through 'make all' |
| 09:44.28 | torpor | here's the problem:http://rafb.net/p/nHM7n556.html |
| 09:46.29 | emdete | hm, HEAD revision is 27375... you build 27222 |
| 09:46.58 | torpor | wtf |
| 09:47.02 | torpor | how to fix this? |
| 09:47.08 | torpor | i've just been doing 'make update' and such .. |
| 09:47.16 | emdete | openmoko freezes that somehow... |
| 09:47.41 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3330 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/detail-area.c src/navigation-area.c): |
| 09:47.41 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/detail-area.c: (detail_area_new): |
| 09:47.41 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/navigation-area.c: (navigation_area_new): |
| 09:47.41 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Use MokoFingerScroll instead of GtkScrolledWindow. Fixes bug 960 |
| 09:47.46 | emdete | openmoko uses a config file to stick the revision to something known good... don't remember which file that was |
| 09:47.53 | XorA | torpor: is that an error from webkit build itself? |
| 09:48.01 | emdete | i put the desired rev in there ... |
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| 09:54.47 | abraxa_ | XorA: Hah! Gotcha! And you can't run away, so I'm making you bump the srcrev for openmoko-theme-standard2 ;) |
| 09:55.18 | torpor | so i don't get it whats the fix? |
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| 09:55.39 | abraxa_ | XorA: Ah crud. Damn Brits and their sneakyness. |
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| 09:56.06 | XorA | abraxa_: what does bumping the srcrev fix? |
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| 09:59.43 | abraxa_ | XorA: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2007-October/002931.html - it's been missing for aeons :( |
| 10:00.03 | abraxa_ | Current rev is 3210 |
| 10:00.38 | XorA | abraxa_: ok, just waiting for a build to finish |
| 10:00.44 | abraxa_ | Yay, thanks :) |
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| 10:04.06 | torpor | so can someone please tell me why my freshly 'make update'ed tree is still at rev 27222 for webcore/webkit? |
| 10:04.10 | torpor | do i have to catch up somehow? |
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| 10:04.32 | XorA | SRCREV_pn-webkit-gtk ?= "27222" |
| 10:04.32 | XorA | SRCREV_pn-webkit-qt ?= "27222" |
| 10:04.32 | XorA | SRCREV_pn-webkit-qtopia ?= "27222" |
| 10:04.45 | XorA | in sane-srvrevs.inc |
| 10:04.45 | torpor | whats that from XorA ? |
| 10:04.48 | torpor | ah |
| 10:04.59 | torpor | so in fact thats fine for webkit then is it? |
| 10:05.23 | torpor | what i did: bitbake -c mrproper webkit-svn .. and now it seems like the build is continuing fine .. |
| 10:05.25 | XorA | torpor: yeah, thats a build picked to work |
| 10:06.35 | torpor | ok so i've just cleaned things up with webkit and am continuing the build .. seems like its fine .. |
| 10:06.57 | torpor | i have to admit i don't care for all this, i just wanna be able to get my own -image build done so i can add my app .. |
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| 10:17.30 | Sup3rkiddo | hey guys, check this out, http://sudharsh.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/screenshot.png ... |
| 10:17.46 | Sup3rkiddo | oops..brb |
| 10:18.19 | flexd | the variable my girlfriend seems.. not plausible.. :P |
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| 10:19.44 | torpor | cool .. gsmd virtualized .. |
| 10:19.53 | torpor | i hope this means progress on the making calls front .. |
| 10:19.56 | Sup3rkiddo | i would have did None, but 000000 seems relatively more plausible? |
| 10:20.00 | torpor | now if only we could get the same thing happening with gps. |
| 10:20.03 | Sup3rkiddo | torpor: i had used phonesim |
| 10:20.21 | flexd | but that looks coolo |
| 10:20.23 | flexd | -o |
| 10:21.45 | Sup3rkiddo | cool, if anyone wants to pitch in and have fun, be my guest |
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| 10:35.01 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3331 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/ (configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-usb.c): openmoko-panel-usb: listen to charger connection/disconnection events via dbus |
| 10:41.39 | hrw | mickeyl: what panel-usb has common with charger? I know that usb port is used for charging.. |
| 10:43.00 | mickeyl | listening to charger in/out is the best means to find out whether someone sticks something into the usb port of the Neo |
| 10:43.09 | mickeyl | at least in gadget mode |
| 10:43.13 | mickeyl | for host mode, we need other means |
| 10:43.27 | mickeyl | then, we can eventually prompt user for choices |
| 10:43.37 | mickeyl | "you have connected your phone to a PC -- what do you want?" |
| 10:43.41 | mickeyl | [ storage ] |
| 10:43.43 | mickeyl | [usbeth] |
| 10:43.46 | mickeyl | [modem] |
| 10:43.47 | mickeyl | etc... |
| 10:45.01 | nbd | is the fact that you can only do one of those a hw or a sw limitation? |
| 10:45.07 | wibbit | mickeyl: do we use HAL for that stuff mickeyl? |
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| 10:45.22 | mickeyl | wibbit: no. at this point of time we don't use HAL |
| 10:45.39 | mickeyl | the whole HAL, device management, peripheral abstraction layer is under discussion |
| 10:45.46 | wibbit | mickeyl: okie |
| 10:45.54 | mickeyl | we just start with finding out what we need |
| 10:46.02 | mickeyl | and then check whether HAL/OHM provide it or something else does |
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| 10:50.02 | wibbit | From what I've read within the Fedora environment, the work that is almost certainly going to go in to tieing upstart with hal looks nice, and I wonder how much, if any could benefit OpenMoko |
| 10:50.50 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: One year after creating the domain you use it for dbus name-space now? :) |
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| 10:53.13 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: accidental.... |
| 10:53.58 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3333 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/src/openmoko-panel-usb.c: openmoko-panel-usb: fix accidantly revealed name space |
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| 11:35.22 | PBeck | hi |
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| 11:43.10 | Tyrael | hi all |
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| 11:46.03 | Tyrael | I'have a problem building webkit-gtk. it fails. in build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.1+svnr27222-r3/temp/log.do_compile.19651 |
| 11:46.03 | Tyrael | there is build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/lib/libicui18n.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
| 11:55.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3334 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (ChangeLog src/worldclock-main.c): |
| 11:55.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/worldclock-main.c: (hadjust_changed_cb), |
| 11:55.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (vadjust_changed_cb), (zoom_map), (main): |
| 11:55.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Zoom into the centre of the map rather than the top-left |
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| 11:59.55 | abraxa_ | Tyrael: Do you use rm_work? |
| 12:00.19 | Tyrael | mmm no |
| 12:00.25 | Tyrael | what is? :) |
| 12:01.01 | Tyrael | i use mokomakefile with insave-revs. i tried to force 27222 rev to webkit |
| 12:01.17 | abraxa_ | In that case you can just do a find on build/tmp/work/ and see which package created libicui18n.so, then rebuild said package |
| 12:03.27 | CM | Tyrael: I've had that error before, and usually this fixes it: bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk |
| 12:03.50 | CM | abraxa_: Hello :) |
| 12:03.59 | abraxa_ | Aloha CM :) |
| 12:04.25 | abraxa_ | Doing the 500km trip again today? |
| 12:04.28 | CM | abraxa_: Saw that you're ninja-famous now |
| 12:04.35 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 12:04.43 | CM | Hehe, nope, she's already here! :D |
| 12:04.48 | abraxa_ | Yeah, I feel honored |
| 12:04.52 | abraxa_ | ohhhhhh |
| 12:04.56 | abraxa_ | Awesome =) |
| 12:05.04 | CM | So no overtime for me today.. :P |
| 12:05.10 | CM | Not at work at least |
| 12:05.28 | abraxa_ | I bet I won't see you online for the rest of the day either ;) |
| 12:05.57 | CM | Probably not.. I have better entertainment this weekend. ;) |
| 12:06.08 | abraxa_ | heehee |
| 12:06.31 | torpor | Tyrael: i have had the same thing too, and what CM suggested worked for me .. |
| 12:07.10 | torpor | problem building mplayer: |
| 12:07.10 | torpor | | motion_comp_arm_s.S:28: Error: selected processor does not support `pld [r1]' |
| 12:08.31 | CM | torpor: Is that the latest mplayer with the arm optimizations? |
| 12:10.16 | torpor | CM: yes |
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| 12:48.13 | CM | torpor: I get the same error on mplayer |
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| 13:19.13 | _diego_ | torpor, have u tried to enable cpu tuning? -march=arm4t (if i remember well) |
| 13:20.04 | XorA | mplayer doesnt really support armv4 |
| 13:20.17 | XorA | I fixed one case previously, looks like I need to fix another |
| 13:20.32 | XorA | torpor: can you pastbin me the exact error log please |
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| 13:45.07 | torpor | _diego_: i'm trying not to have to tweak things to get the build system to complete. i don't understand why stuff is going into the public tree that isn't tested/working/is_borked .. |
| 13:45.32 | torpor | XorA: now i can't get a build done because of some problem with linux-openmoko_2.6.22.5 |
| 13:45.59 | XorA | torpor: what problem? |
| 13:46.27 | torpor | NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr1-r6: task do_fetch: started |
| 13:46.27 | torpor | NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1_.tar.gz |
| 13:46.30 | torpor | --15:12:53-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1_.tar.gz |
| 13:46.33 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.36 | torpor | Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219 |
| 13:46.38 | torpor | Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected. |
| 13:46.41 | torpor | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 13:46.43 | torpor | 15:12:53 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 13:47.25 | XorA | mickey|lunch: I hope you didnt just do what I think you just did |
| 13:47.58 | torpor | what would that be? |
| 13:48.09 | XorA | remove the kernel versions needed |
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| 13:49.31 | XorA | who hasnt done a pull can paste the linux-openmoko line in conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc? |
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| 13:52.09 | torpor | what do you suspect XorA ? |
| 13:53.05 | CM | XorA: Here's the mplayer error if you still want it http://rafb.net/p/izJ1Uw72.html |
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| 13:54.55 | XorA | CM: cheers |
| 13:55.04 | CM | XorA: I did a pull this morning, and what I have is SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "2937" |
| 13:55.32 | CM | Need the full log or is that enough? |
| 13:55.42 | XorA | CM: thats enough its an easy enough fix |
| 13:55.51 | CM | Ok, good :) |
| 13:55.58 | torpor | damnit |
| 13:55.59 | XorA | CM: cheers for that info, I managed to get mtn to rewind for me |
| 13:56.05 | torpor | why is it so easy for people to screw up the builds? |
| 13:56.10 | XorA | torpor: mtn pull and problem should be fixed |
| 13:56.18 | CM | XorA: You're welcome :) |
| 13:56.19 | torpor | XorA: i'm using mokomakefile |
| 13:56.24 | torpor | how do i do 'mtn pull'? |
| 13:56.28 | CM | make update |
| 13:56.31 | XorA | make update |
| 13:56.44 | torpor | so i did that and i still have isues, or is it just fixed now? |
| 13:56.56 | XorA | I just fixed what someone unfixed :-) |
| 13:57.29 | torpor | ok doing it now |
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| 14:12.57 | Ghiottone|work | what is Thumbtribes for? |
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| 14:16.21 | zedstar | ghiottone location messaging client server project |
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| 14:26.51 | abraxa_ | Enjoy ;D |
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| 14:27.31 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3335 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (ChangeLog src/worldclock-main.c): |
| 14:27.31 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/worldclock-main.c: (map_clicked_cb), (main): |
| 14:27.31 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Use new JanaGtkWorldMap "clicked" signal |
| 14:29.54 | XorA | CM: torpor mplayer is fixed for armv4 now |
| 14:30.33 | torpor | XorA: cool thanks |
| 14:30.36 | torpor | i'll update now .. |
| 14:30.48 | XorA | give it 5 secs for me to finish sycning |
| 14:31.04 | torpor | i'll wait for CIA-13 to tell me its ready |
| 14:31.15 | XorA | you'll wait 8 hours or so then :-) |
| 14:31.26 | XorA | done syncing |
| 14:31.50 | torpor | heh |
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| 14:32.17 | XorA | in fact CIA-13 here will never tell you, its listening to svn, not OE |
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| 14:35.12 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3336 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): |
| 14:35.12 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (clock_clicked_cb), (today_create_home_page): |
| 14:35.12 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Launch openmoko-worldclock when clicking on clock |
| 14:48.24 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3337 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/: Update externals to r1777 of matchbox-desktop-2 |
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| 14:50.39 | torpor | hmm .. |
| 14:50.55 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3338 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/: Set externals correctly |
| 14:51.00 | torpor | i have to say, its actually shaping into a rather nice and dense set of tools, ol' openmoko .. |
| 14:51.14 | torpor | lovely progress. great to have cairo onboard. |
| 14:52.14 | XorA | abraxa_: theme incremented |
| 14:53.04 | abraxa_ | XorA: Appreciation for XorA incremented in return |
| 14:57.34 | cb23 | :/ |
| 14:57.42 | SpeedEvil | 10^5 or so better than current ones would be lovely. |
| 14:58.33 | SpeedEvil | Good accelerometers would enable much fun stuff. |
| 14:58.56 | cb23 | but are these ones really that bad? |
| 14:59.30 | cb23 | s/neo/nonexistant yet/ |
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| 15:06.15 | torpor | XorA: all is good, ta! |
| 15:06.42 | torpor | SpeedEvil: with accelerometer+GPS+gprs, you've got half a missile. |
| 15:07.07 | torpor | so, anything you can think of between doing nothing, or doing something with a missile, can be done with a neo. |
| 15:07.10 | torpor | ;) |
| 15:07.43 | zash | torpor: haha :D |
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| 15:10.24 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 15:10.37 | cb23 | torpor, hmm, i could use a few of those... to deliever my nuclear payloads |
| 15:10.43 | cb23 | the only problem is the darn gps limitation |
| 15:10.50 | cb23 | how will i deliever my nukes now? |
| 15:11.03 | torpor | use gps for as much as you need, assembler for everything else. |
| 15:11.17 | oc2k1 | not a problem .... the biggest problem is to find the SPI or i2c connections on the PCB :P |
| 15:11.33 | bedboi | gps driver is still not available |
| 15:12.12 | torpor | right. |
| 15:12.17 | torpor | so that you don't turn your neo into a bomb. |
| 15:12.29 | mwester | The increasingly impatient developers are being kept in check by promises that we will get the driver Real Soon Now(tm) |
| 15:12.38 | torpor | its all a big government conspiracy to keep linux hackers down man. |
| 15:13.20 | torpor | actually i'm finding compelling reasons to just leave the chroot'ed daemon around, for the hell of it, and ignore the gps beyond what that provides.. |
| 15:13.49 | torpor | the only problem with this strategy is flashing openmoko and then having to set it up all again .. |
| 15:14.16 | torpor | but then, there's a lovely media/card scenario going on, too. 4 gigs is plenty of /home space.. |
| 15:14.48 | torpor | you know what i want? pocket inkscape. that would blow my mind. |
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| 15:20.33 | abraxa_ | XorA: The mplayer ipkg on buildhost is ARM-optimized, right? I'm pleasantly surprised to find it able to play movies without any major frame drop... |
| 15:21.05 | mwester | qvga? |
| 15:21.10 | abraxa_ | Yeah, QVGA |
| 15:21.18 | mwester | cool |
| 15:21.53 | mjr | do we have qvga mode out of tree now? |
| 15:23.31 | abraxa_ | Not yet |
| 15:23.57 | abraxa_ | Well, if by "out of tree" you mean "with stock kernel/rootfs" |
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| 15:33.47 | Xx13 | abraxa: what kind of video are you running? |
| 15:34.13 | XorA | abraxa_: no idea what is on build host |
| 15:34.25 | XorA | abhibera: 1.0rc2 has better arm optimisations |
| 15:34.29 | srj | HI, i just got my hands on a neo 1973 a couple of days back... can any one give some pointers about how to get a <stable> version of the kernal on it |
| 15:34.37 | XorA | abraxa_: 1.0rc2 has better arm optimisations |
| 15:35.14 | abraxa_ | srj: There are no unstable kernels :) |
| 15:35.28 | jonibo | I keep running into problems building libjana... anybody else getting 404 when trying to fetch: http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/trunk_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.jana._665_.tar.gz ? |
| 15:35.31 | abraxa_ | XorA: Ahh, thanks. I gotta try 1.0rc2 as well then |
| 15:35.45 | hrw | jonibo: thats 404 is harmless - bitbake will fetch from svn |
| 15:35.48 | abraxa_ | Xx13: Just regular 320x240 MPEG1 music videos |
| 15:36.09 | srj | abraxa: :) i meant the latest one... |
| 15:36.30 | srj | i keep running into some GUI problems |
| 15:36.40 | abraxa_ | Like what? |
| 15:37.21 | srj | like the calculator magically seems to pop up whenever i select the input manager... |
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| 15:38.06 | srj | and my neo slips into the initial "please wait while the ui begins" screen now and then |
| 15:38.08 | abraxa_ | Well, that's not a kernel issue then |
| 15:38.10 | jonibo | hrw: ok, thanks... seems the problem was some lock that SVN was not getting past... I'll check som more. |
| 15:38.21 | Xx13 | abraxa: well mpeg1 takes considerably less crunch power to decode, then just abut anything else ;) |
| 15:39.06 | abraxa_ | Xx13: MPEG-1 in software and if we're lucky we'll have MPEG-4 in hardware... sounds just fine to me |
| 15:39.19 | srj | abraxa: ohk,,,any suggestions on what i shoul do? |
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| 15:39.45 | XorA | abraxa_: should try mpeg4 ASP as 320x240 as thats the most optimised of the mpeg familly in mplayer/ffmpeg |
| 15:40.07 | abraxa_ | XorA: I don't have any MPEG-4 clips unfortunately |
| 15:40.09 | torpor | srj: get the latest openmoko makefile built, roll your own from the public openmoko buildhost .. |
| 15:40.39 | XorA | abraxa_: if you dont mind wrestling I can get you some 20 seconds ones quickly |
| 15:40.53 | srj | torpor: thanks, I'll try that. |
| 15:41.07 | XorA | abraxa_: or bleach :-) |
| 15:41.14 | abraxa_ | XorA: Bleach plz ;D |
| 15:41.24 | torpor | whats bleach? |
| 15:41.33 | Xx13 | i'm not looking that far ahead i've got gta01, i would be really surprised if it manages to play mpeg4/divx and the rest of them |
| 15:41.40 | srj | phone calls are still a distant dream i suppose |
| 15:41.48 | abraxa_ | srj: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 15:41.55 | Stephmw | abraxa_: in case you need a clip.. http://stephanemw.googlepages.com/MOV00243.3GP |
| 15:42.00 | Stephmw | MOV00243.3GP: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, 3GPP |
| 15:42.24 | Stephmw | quick view of the back of my house ;-) |
| 15:42.28 | abraxa_ | haha thanks |
| 15:42.31 | hrw | Package libgsmd wants to install file /usr/sbin/gsmd But that file is already provided by package gsmd |
| 15:42.34 | hrw | Package libgsmd wants to install file /usr/lib/libgsmd.so.0.0.0 But that file is already provided by package libgsmd0 |
| 15:42.42 | hrw | XorA: can you fix packaging? |
| 15:43.12 | abraxa_ | Stephmw: Unfortunately that's not too great for testing however, as the FPS are low |
| 15:43.25 | XorA | hrw: live with it |
| 15:43.41 | Stephmw | abraxa_: that's the native speed of my W880i alas |
| 15:43.51 | hrw | XorA: argh |
| 15:44.29 | Stephmw | abraxa_: can always tell mplayer to play it faster though, no? |
| 15:45.22 | abraxa_ | Stephmw: Well, XorA got me a 320x240 24FPS MPEG-4 clip so that'll do :) |
| 15:45.26 | abraxa_ | Thanks anyway! |
| 15:45.46 | XorA | abraxa_: dont forget to specifiy which mpeg4, that one should be mpeg ASP |
| 15:45.59 | Xx13 | if that'll be playing smoothly, that'll already be something |
| 15:46.04 | anrp | someone say video? D: |
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| 15:48.34 | abraxa_ | Haha wow, holy crap. |
| 15:48.55 | abraxa_ | Welp, that video playback is just flawless |
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| 15:49.48 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, what kind of video did you try now? |
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| 15:50.16 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, when does qvga patch hit buildtree? |
| 15:50.18 | abraxa_ | XorA's clip |
| 15:50.30 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, it works fine? |
| 15:50.50 | jeddy3 | oh, mpeg4...maybe not |
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| 15:52.48 | torpor | mplayer works great here too .. |
| 15:52.49 | torpor | m_1_2 |
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| 15:54.22 | torpor | seems a bit petulant on landscape mode tho' .. |
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| 15:56.21 | abraxa_ | Dunno... it's in mwester's kernel if you wanna try |
| 15:56.21 | abraxa_ | stefan_schmidt: ping |
| 15:56.21 | abraxa_ | mickey|lunch: ping |
| 15:57.51 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: pong |
| 15:59.17 | abraxa_ | stefan_schmidt: Can I reach you sometime tonight? I gotta jet for ~45m |
| 15:59.58 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: Later tonight should be fine. |
| 16:00.08 | abraxa_ | Groovy :) |
| 16:00.13 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: Something special? Trouble with qvga? |
| 16:00.14 | abraxa_ | I'll ping you again then |
| 16:00.19 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: ok |
| 16:00.22 | abraxa_ | Yeah, QVGA... what else ;) |
| 16:00.27 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 16:02.41 | abraxa_ | To be precise: I can't ever switch the VT into graphics mode to get the cursor to disappear |
| 16:03.58 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: Oh, that's mickey|lunch magic. I just prepared the kernel. :) |
| 16:04.35 | abraxa_ | Well, I kinda hoped you'd have an idea but okay, I'll annoy mickey with it then ;) |
| 16:04.47 | abraxa_ | Thanks for getting back to me |
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| 16:05.19 | jeddy3 | omg! ...didn't read the raster-news until man, thats GOOD news! |
| 16:06.43 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 16:07.01 | jeddy3 | s/man/now/ |
| 16:07.14 | stefan_schmidt | I mean, he was in this channel with an openmoko.com domain for over three weeks now |
| 16:07.22 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 16:07.41 | guaqua | woah |
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| 16:10.36 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, haha, didn't even notice the domain :D |
| 16:11.06 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: Nobody did, we had a lot fun by guessing when the first guys would. :) |
| 16:11.57 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, but i had a hunch something was up...with him being here...and openmoko saying something about having a "senior graphic hardware guy" (or something) on the hook :) |
| 16:12.13 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 16:12.35 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, can't believe no one saw that :D... |
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| 16:13.02 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: IIRC the first one noticed after ~2 weeks |
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| 16:15.59 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, aaah someone DID notice :) |
| 16:16.22 | SpeedEvil | cb23: the current ones are inaccurate by 16cm/s/s |
| 16:16.24 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: But not in sense of "huh, he must work for them" |
| 16:16.45 | SpeedEvil | Or 288m after 1 minute |
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| 16:28.19 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3339 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:28.19 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 16:28.19 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/appmanager-data.c: (application_manager_data_init), |
| 16:28.19 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (application_manager_data_set_main_window): |
| 16:28.19 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/appmanager-data.h: |
| 16:28.20 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/appmanager-window.c: (main): |
| 16:28.22 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/filter-menu.c: |
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| 16:31.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 978 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 16:31.02 | cdbot2 | * * Package info tab opens keyboard |
| 16:31.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=978 |
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| 16:38.06 | wirrwarr | heya~ |
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| 16:39.43 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3340 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:39.43 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/today-launcher.c: (item_added_cb), (item_removed_cb), |
| 16:39.43 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (add_item_idle), (load_items), (today_launcher_page_create): |
| 16:39.43 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_dial_button_clicked_cb), |
| 16:39.43 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (today_contacts_button_clicked_cb), |
| 16:39.47 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (today_messages_button_clicked_cb), |
| 16:39.49 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (today_dates_button_clicked_cb), (clock_clicked_cb), |
| 16:41.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3341 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:41.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 16:41.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/application-menu.c: (on_install_single_application_activate): |
| 16:41.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/tool-box.c: (on_apply_clicked): |
| 16:41.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Fix build after removal of filter-menu. |
| 16:41.27 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/appmanager-window.c: (main): Move toolbar and searchbar onto |
| 16:41.31 | CIA-13 | openmoko: navigation page rather than always being available. |
| 16:41.51 | srj | anyone been able to make a phone call on the neo? |
| 16:41.57 | thos | srj: yes |
| 16:42.13 | thos | srj: I have done it multiple times, and recieved calls |
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| 16:43.27 | zilt | srj: no - I'm in a 850Mhz only zone and Openmoko Inc still own't say if it'll be supported or not (though the website still advertises it as a quad band phone) |
| 16:43.42 | zilt | s/own't/won't/ |
| 16:45.24 | mjr | the dearth of info on that does suck muchly |
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| 16:46.45 | zilt | mjr: nods - it's really a simple question - yes or no. If no, then they should change openmoko.com to tri-band. If I had known it wouldn't work (ever - I am willing to wait for 850Mhz), I would have waited for gto02 |
| 16:48.22 | ruskie | tried asking on the mailing list? |
| 16:49.09 | zilt | ruskie: several people have (even one very direct question from yesterday) - nothing from Openmoko INc |
| 16:49.48 | torpor | i'm gonna get a gta02 even tho' i think the gta01 sorta sucks right now. |
| 16:49.59 | torpor | i'm hoping the gta01 isn't going to be the little bitch, but there's a chance it may .. |
| 16:50.09 | zilt | silence, nada, zip, zero response to any 850 question |
| 16:50.18 | torpor | still, i think there's at least a 3rd chance for the gta01, once gta02 stimulated a lot of development .. |
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| 16:51.13 | hhf423 | moin |
| 16:51.22 | thos | zilt: as far as I know, it depends on if they get certification or not |
| 16:51.42 | hhf423 | new images to flash, great |
| 16:51.47 | srj | thos: is there anything additional you need to do on the phone to get the thing started? |
| 16:51.47 | srj | i meant to make or receive calls |
| 16:51.59 | thos | srj: additional to what? |
| 16:52.08 | thos | srj: if you have the latest software, then no |
| 16:54.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 979 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 16:54.02 | cdbot2 | * * Neod kills Today screen |
| 16:54.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=979 |
| 16:54.04 | zilt | thos: that'd be great - but they really shouldn't keep selling the gta01 on the website as a quad band phone until that happens (or at least state that they expect no problem getting the certification). ANyways, I'll continue to wait for something offical.. |
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| 16:57.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 980 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 16:57.02 | cdbot2 | * * ipkg lists are stored in flash |
| 16:57.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=980 |
| 16:57.38 | thos | zween: Michael Shiloh should be able to tell you |
| 16:57.46 | thos | zween: or at least find out the correct information |
| 16:58.22 | zween | thos: about what? |
| 16:59.13 | srj | no,will do. |
| 16:59.14 | thos | zween: about quad band status |
| 16:59.58 | roh | thos well.. if i knew i could tell. |
| 17:00.16 | thos | oh, and roh :-) |
| 17:01.51 | zween | thos: I am confused. You probably mix something up here. I never asked something about quad band. |
| 17:02.05 | XorA | s/zween/zilt/ |
| 17:02.24 | zilt | zween: bad tab auto nick completion ;) |
| 17:02.24 | roh | i know there is some problem and have some guesses what that could mean in consequence, but nothing what is decided or sure |
| 17:02.47 | thos | roh: zilt has a point about advertising on the website though |
| 17:02.57 | XorA | thats it we are limiting this channel to only 26 users :-) |
| 17:02.59 | thos | roh: perhaps Gismo_C should update it until something is more definite? |
| 17:03.25 | zilt | roh - thanks - that's been the rumour now for a couple of weeks. It's just strange as it is a core component of the gta01, yet no one seems to know. |
| 17:05.59 | roh | thos: if somebody writes the texts.. |
| 17:06.17 | XorA | mwester: borrow a stapler :-) |
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| 17:11.50 | johnny | anybody else seeing this? |
| 17:11.57 | johnny | etching external item into 'src/inotify' |
| 17:11.57 | johnny | NOTE: package openmoko-today2-0.1.0+svnr3287-r2: task do_fetch: failed |
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| 17:13.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 981 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 17:13.02 | cdbot2 | * * Launcher does not scroll list properly on category switching |
| 17:13.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=981 |
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| 17:13.43 | hrw | johnny: refetch |
| 17:13.58 | johnny | i had the same error before |
| 17:14.03 | johnny | and i refetched |
| 17:14.10 | johnny | as of yesterday |
| 17:14.14 | johnny | has something changed? |
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| 17:16.19 | srj | -thos: where can i find the latest software? |
| 17:17.00 | johnny | ok.. updating i think |
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| 17:18.07 | hrw | abraxa__: I added bug for you ;) |
| 17:18.37 | abraxa_ | Oh? Lemme see... |
| 17:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 982 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 17:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * Mediaplayer does not allow to select files to play |
| 17:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=982 |
| 17:20.05 | abraxa_ | Thanks hrw, I'll look into it |
| 17:20.14 | abraxa_ | Haven't noticed that behavior myself but okay |
| 17:20.54 | hrw | abraxa_: atleast I am unable to find a way to play anything with it |
| 17:22.06 | abraxa_ | hrw: Did you create a playlist? If so, did you add files to it? |
| 17:22.39 | roh | zilt if i knew how i would gladly explain why and how to solve the 850mhz issue |
| 17:23.54 | hrw | abraxa_: its sick way |
| 17:23.55 | zilt | roh - thanks for that :) I'm also willing to warm up my soldering iron if needed |
| 17:24.18 | roh | well.. that does not help afaik.. but we'll see what we can cook up as solution |
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| 17:24.50 | roh | -> smoking.. bbl |
| 17:24.50 | hrw | abraxa_: I would not found that without that hint.. |
| 17:26.02 | hrw | abraxa_: so new bug for you then |
| 17:26.29 | abraxa_ | hrw: You can if you want, though the playlist stuff will get rewritten anyway |
| 17:26.47 | abraxa_ | It's just a simple interface to let people use it until I find the time to make a proper UI |
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| 17:29.58 | hrw | abraxa_: new bug for you |
| 17:30.09 | abraxa_ | hehe okay :) |
| 17:31.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 983 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 17:31.02 | cdbot2 | * * Filesystem navigation does not support kinematic scrolling |
| 17:31.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=983 |
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| 17:31.59 | johnny | maybe i'm not cleaning it up properly, cuz im still getting that error |
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| 17:32.59 | hrw | abraxa_: I added 3 waves and cant play them ;( |
| 17:33.09 | hrw | abraxa_: k3b_error1.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 8 bit, mono 8000 Hz |
| 17:33.45 | abraxa_ | hrw: gstreamer probably needs a plugin for that that's not installed on the neo by default |
| 17:33.47 | abraxa_ | Try mp3 |
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| 17:34.23 | nnpiggy | Greeting-appropriate-to-time-of-day. I have a question that I hope falls into the "silly question" range... |
| 17:34.49 | nnpiggy | I'm using uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r3-fic-gta01.bin and OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20070917-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2. |
| 17:35.52 | nnpiggy | After booting, if I press the power button, a menu pops up offering a number of options. The options "Bluetooth Power", "GPS Power" and "GSM Power" are all grayed out. |
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| 17:36.00 | nnpiggy | What am I missing? |
| 17:36.09 | abraxa_ | nnpiggy: Nothing, that's intended behavior as of now |
| 17:36.13 | nnpiggy | Ah. |
| 17:36.28 | nnpiggy | So that's NOT the reason I can't register on my GSM network? |
| 17:36.32 | abraxa_ | Nope |
| 17:36.43 | nnpiggy | Drat. |
| 17:36.47 | abraxa_ | Try a recent rootfs along with mwester's kernel |
| 17:36.55 | abraxa_ | http://moko.mwester.net has both |
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| 17:37.40 | nnpiggy | Thanks. Is the September snapshot not sufficiently recent? |
| 17:37.47 | abraxa_ | Unfortunately not |
| 17:37.55 | nnpiggy | Thanks. |
| 17:38.18 | abraxa_ | You're welcome |
| 17:38.27 | nnpiggy | My daily-use phone has finally died, so my interest in getting my moko running well has increased substantially :-). |
| 17:38.45 | hrw | bye |
| 17:38.54 | zilt | nnpiggy: also make sure you're not using a 3G sim or in a 850Mhz only zone. |
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| 17:44.52 | nnpiggy | zilt: I was able to make calls with this SIM in this zone with the image that shipped on my phone. I haven't tried reverting to that image, but I rather wanted something current with at least limited power management. |
| 17:46.07 | zilt | nnpiggy: then you should be fine :) Recent builds are looking nice - I'm just hoping the (promised) gsm firmware fixes both those issues. |
| 17:46.27 | nnpiggy | Oh as long as I'm here, what's the largest microSD card anybody has used? I'm going to want something larger than the 128M it shipped with... |
| 17:46.42 | abraxa_ | nnpiggy: 8GB |
| 17:46.47 | nnpiggy | Wow! |
| 17:47.09 | nnpiggy | I didn't even see anything bigger than 6GB... |
| 17:47.52 | abraxa_ | 6 or 8... hmm... okay, you got me there. |
| 17:48.06 | abraxa_ | Either way - if 6 works then everything bigger will work as well |
| 17:48.12 | cb23 | nnpiggy, 128? |
| 17:48.16 | cb23 | didnt they ship with a 512? |
| 17:48.32 | nnpiggy | They may do that now. I'm a P0 person. |
| 17:48.37 | cb23 | ah |
| 17:48.55 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3342 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/: Update svn:externals for libtaku |
| 17:50.13 | nnpiggy | Cards over 2GB appear to be labeled "micro SDHC" rather than "micro SD". They are mutually compatable? |
| 17:52.01 | nnpiggy | Hmm... I see some 4GB parts with out the SDHC designation. |
| 17:55.01 | nnpiggy | Where's here? |
| 17:55.04 | xzcvczx | nz |
| 17:55.43 | nnpiggy | Ah. Are you still billed per byte for all IP traffic? (landline) |
| 17:56.08 | xzcvczx | well we pay $10 per megabyte for gprs |
| 17:56.23 | xzcvczx | and i pay $1 per gig for each gig of transfer each month |
| 17:56.29 | xzcvczx | on landline |
| 17:56.35 | xzcvczx | well dsl |
| 17:56.42 | nnpiggy | That's not TOO horrible. It's still metered. |
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| 17:56.56 | Vegar | nnpiggy: all cards > 2GB are SDHC |
| 17:57.08 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: but its the cheapest of the cheap isp |
| 17:58.11 | nnpiggy | When I was living in Tas about 15 years ago, I had collegues in NZ who wanted me to send them CD's of our data because it was prohibitively expensive for them to just ftp it. |
| 17:58.18 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 17:58.49 | nnpiggy | It was very sad. |
| 17:58.58 | xzcvczx | yeah it use to be for full speed $40 per month for 600mbytes per month of transfer and like 5c/mb over that |
| 17:59.23 | xzcvczx | hence why someone i know (residential) got a $28k phone bill |
| 17:59.30 | ewon | o0 |
| 17:59.35 | xzcvczx | 3/4 of a terabyte |
| 17:59.53 | nnpiggy | That sounds like the range. Of course, at the time I don't think the whole country had much in the way of agregate bandwidth. |
| 18:00.54 | nnpiggy | When I moved to Tas, the whole island shared a single 128K connection (yes, that is the right suffix). |
| 18:00.59 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: i am in auckland cbd and i barely get better than 4mbps even thought i am on a adsl2+ exchange and when my modem goes above 700kB/s i get disconnected |
| 18:01.08 | xzcvczx | ouch |
| 18:01.10 | nnpiggy | By the time I left three years later I think it was up to a megabit. |
| 18:01.23 | nnpiggy | Ouch. |
| 18:01.34 | cb23 | and i pay R70 ~ $10 per gig |
| 18:01.50 | nnpiggy | That's still a lot of money for data. |
| 18:01.54 | cb23 | yeah |
| 18:01.56 | cb23 | a hell of a lot |
| 18:02.01 | xzcvczx | cb23: i am on ~4mbps down but only 128kbps up and $33.95 flat rate per month no gigs included then $1 per gig |
| 18:02.13 | xzcvczx | (this is all nzd) |
| 18:02.22 | Tronic | 9.8 €/month flat rate GPRS/3G 384 kbit/s here. |
| 18:02.30 | cb23 | uncapped is like R2000 ~ $300 |
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| 18:02.37 | xzcvczx | Tronic: how about a nice cup of STFU |
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| 18:02.40 | nnpiggy | Is the NZD above the USD yet? |
| 18:02.46 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: nah about 77 |
| 18:03.04 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: i dont think we will ever go above the usd it will kill our country |
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| 18:03.25 | Tronic | xzcvczx: :) |
| 18:03.27 | nnpiggy | The CAD just passed the USD and everybody is very confused. |
| 18:03.39 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: we rely too much on exports |
| 18:03.40 | cb23 | lol |
| 18:03.49 | nnpiggy | Tronic, what country are you in? |
| 18:03.54 | Tronic | Finland. |
| 18:04.30 | nnpiggy | Ah. That's about the third highest market penetration for cell phones in the world. I think you guys are over 200% market penetration... |
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| 18:05.10 | woglinde | hi ph5 |
| 18:06.45 | pH5 | hi woglinde |
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| 18:07.31 | nnpiggy | Has the binary for gpsd been released yet? |
| 18:07.40 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: no |
| 18:12.23 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: just doing general gps devel |
| 18:12.25 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 18:12.38 | xzcvczx | but for the moko when it is released |
| 18:13.05 | nnpiggy | Are you one of the employees? |
| 18:13.13 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: i wish |
| 18:14.36 | torpor | likewise |
| 18:15.25 | xzcvczx | not that what i am making is really a phone based application |
| 18:15.36 | xzcvczx | well traditionally anyway |
| 18:16.09 | nnpiggy | What's your app? |
| 18:16.34 | xzcvczx | altimeter once i can get hold of a smd500 |
| 18:17.13 | nnpiggy | The pressure sensor? |
| 18:17.42 | xzcvczx | yup |
| 18:19.14 | nnpiggy | Are you actually intending the hack the hardware to add the sensor, or do you plan to use it externally? |
| 18:19.35 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: internal.... its not particularly hard onto the i2c bus |
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| 18:20.14 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Sounds nice :) |
| 18:20.23 | nnpiggy | Cool. |
| 18:20.44 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: the problem is getting hold of the damn chip living in nz |
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| 18:21.04 | xzcvczx | wouldnt be too hard if i was in europe or america |
| 18:21.21 | cb23 | xzcvczx, define not too hard? |
| 18:21.22 | abraxa_ | ...which is why .nz is out of the question for me as a country to live in |
| 18:21.47 | xzcvczx | cb23: well you could apply for a sample from one of the suppliers and would get it |
| 18:22.02 | cb23 | xzcvczx, i'm talking about soldering :) |
| 18:22.15 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: lol unfortunately i really only have nz and aussie to choose from |
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| 18:22.37 | xzcvczx | cb23: there are 2 testing plates for the i2c bus quite obvious and so you can just solder onto them |
| 18:22.49 | xzcvczx | its somewhere in the wiki/lists as to where exactly they are |
| 18:22.51 | cb23 | nice |
| 18:23.07 | cb23 | so, if i could get one of those sensors, i could solder one on too? |
| 18:23.54 | cb23 | using my rather mediocere soldering skills? |
| 18:23.59 | xzcvczx | well if you get two and send me one i will pay all related costs and will even send you pictures on how to do it |
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| 18:24.25 | cb23 | i'm in south africa, i dont think getting any would be any easier :( |
| 18:24.31 | xzcvczx | :( |
| 18:24.36 | nnpiggy | I'm in Pittsburgh... |
| 18:24.51 | xzcvczx | well if we could find 3000 people who want one it would be easy |
| 18:25.03 | cb23 | how much for 3k? |
| 18:25.10 | xzcvczx | they are like $4 each |
| 18:25.13 | xzcvczx | so 12k |
| 18:25.17 | cb23 | ouch |
| 18:25.22 | cb23 | and for 1x? |
| 18:25.25 | xzcvczx | yeah exactly |
| 18:25.51 | nelson | nnpiggy: SD cards use byte addressing with 32 bits, hence the 2GB limitation. SDHC addresses 256 bytes at a time, allowing for up to 512GB on a card. |
| 18:25.55 | xzcvczx | for 1x good luck finding somewhere that would sell them as singles |
| 18:26.07 | cb23 | hmm, evaluation? |
| 18:26.52 | nnpiggy | nelson, does the neo1973 support SDHC addressing? |
| 18:27.29 | cb23 | yep |
| 18:27.35 | nnpiggy | Cools. |
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| 18:30.06 | xzcvczx | cb23: what are you wanting the pressure sensor for? |
| 18:30.15 | cb23 | xzcvczx, the cool factor |
| 18:30.21 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 18:30.30 | cb23 | you seen http://www.componentsuperstore.com/store/SearchResultKeywords.aspx?Keywords=smd500&SearchType=Keywords&CategoryName=40106030000&ManufacturerName=BOSCH ? |
| 18:30.40 | cb23 | oh |
| 18:30.52 | xzcvczx | if thats futureelectronics will only sell as 3k |
| 18:30.56 | cb23 | never mind, thats the 3k :/ |
| 18:30.59 | cb23 | http://www.componentsuperstore.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductIdentifier=0273343001BOSCH7251481 |
| 18:31.04 | cb23 | what about that? |
| 18:31.06 | cb23 | it says 1 |
| 18:31.08 | cb23 | for 15$ |
| 18:31.14 | xzcvczx | they have 0 |
| 18:31.53 | cb23 | :/ |
| 18:31.57 | xzcvczx | dont worry i have done my homework |
| 18:32.34 | cb23 | any specific reason for the smd500? |
| 18:33.12 | xzcvczx | cb23: try finding something equally small that can work from '-' degress and is i2c |
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| 18:35.14 | anrp | well if you can live with spi, sparkfun sells single quantities of the SCP1000 sensor |
| 18:35.18 | anrp | no stock right now though |
| 18:35.28 | anrp | http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/SCP1000-D01.pdf |
| 18:36.09 | xzcvczx | anrp: arent all the spi's used on the neo though? |
| 18:36.43 | anrp | i'm unsure |
| 18:36.57 | anrp | but it supports using a CS line |
| 18:37.04 | anrp | so if you could find a free gpio |
| 18:38.38 | xzcvczx | i have looked through the gpio info and there doesnt seem to be much free at all hence why i ended up on i2c |
| 18:40.41 | cb23 | how easy would it be to add http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=245 to the neo? |
| 18:40.50 | mwester | There are no free gpio lines on the GTA01. |
| 18:41.34 | xzcvczx | mwester: thanks i thought that was the case but good to be sure |
| 18:42.35 | xzcvczx | cb23: you would be better off finding a i2c temperature sensor probably |
| 18:43.24 | anrp | zero? |
| 18:43.27 | anrp | sheesh |
| 18:43.48 | mwester | You might be able to "steal" one from something else, though. The "reset" gpio isn't used on the most recent GTA01 devices. I think it runs to a transistor that is not present on the BV4 - which would imply that you have a pad of sorts to solder to... |
| 18:43.49 | xzcvczx | anrp: yeah is unfortunate |
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| 18:44.11 | xzcvczx | mwester: define most recent |
| 18:44.25 | xzcvczx | mwester: mine was one of the first public shipment |
| 18:44.27 | cb23 | xzcvczx, know where i could find one of those? |
| 18:44.28 | mwester | BV4 - the models that were purchased. |
| 18:44.37 | nelson | xzcvczx: "all the spi's" is not a reasonable thing to say. |
| 18:44.41 | mwester | If you paid for it, then you have a bv4. |
| 18:44.46 | xzcvczx | cb23: they are everywhere |
| 18:44.57 | xzcvczx | nelson: meh my bad |
| 18:45.03 | nelson | xzcvczx: do you understand why? |
| 18:45.04 | nnpiggy | Sheesh! Openmoko booting confuses nm-applet... It tries to connect to the "new network"... |
| 18:45.13 | mwester | I bet roh knows where that transistor for the reset line might be on the board. |
| 18:45.18 | xzcvczx | nelson: no but am slowly learning |
| 18:45.25 | nelson | Okay, let me explain. |
| 18:45.40 | nelson | Spi is this funky 16-bit data transfer protocol. |
| 18:45.47 | anrp | uh oh |
| 18:45.48 | nelson | It has a clock, a select, and a data-in and data-out. |
| 18:45.55 | anrp | 8 bit D: |
| 18:46.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 984 has been created by koen(AT)openembedded.org |
| 18:46.01 | cdbot2 | * * neod menu doesn't fit on qvga screen |
| 18:46.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=984 |
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| 18:46.09 | nelson | oh, yeah, right, 8 bit. |
| 18:46.21 | anrp | well, actually, arbitraty bitness |
| 18:46.28 | anrp | you just have to be consistant, |
| 18:46.35 | nelson | when you toggle the clock, you simultaneously read in a bit and write out a bit. |
| 18:46.44 | nelson | but only if the select is asserted. |
| 18:47.02 | nelson | So basically, you can have multiple devices on the same SPI as long as they use different select pins. |
| 18:47.23 | nelson | And ... if there are no spare GPIO pins, then there's no way to hook additional devices to the SPI. |
| 18:47.32 | anrp | nod |
| 18:47.36 | xzcvczx | ah ok |
| 18:47.41 | nelson | Or, if they hard-wired the assert then you're screwed also. |
| 18:48.13 | xzcvczx | so they share the data in&out&clock but need seperate select pins (unless one is hardwired) |
| 18:48.27 | nelson | yes, exactly. |
| 18:48.42 | xzcvczx | so for x devices you need a total of x+3 pins |
| 18:50.18 | anrp | now if you really want to bend your mind, you'd get an i2c digital gpio device, and use that for additional select lines |
| 18:50.26 | anrp | that would be a spectacularly bizzare (and probably bad) idea :p |
| 18:50.31 | roh | mwester: you mean q1001? thats very difficult to reach |
| 18:50.42 | roh | inside the gsm shielding |
| 18:50.53 | xzcvczx | nelson: hmmm thanks.... that was very easy/helpful |
| 18:51.36 | roh | and there are gpio and spi as well as i2c which can be used for hacking on the debug port and some testpads around it |
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| 18:52.51 | xzcvczx | ls |
| 18:52.55 | xzcvczx | wrong window :S |
| 18:53.34 | anrp | .bashrc .bash_profile .viminfo |
| 18:53.35 | anrp | $ |
| 18:53.36 | mwester | roh: Inside the GSM shielding -- that's pretty much impossible to reach! Ok, I guess that GPIO line is a bad choice to repurpose... |
| 18:53.52 | roh | yes... whatfor a gpio? |
| 18:54.04 | roh | there is a interrupt-capable one on the debug connector |
| 18:54.49 | mwester | Assigned to something, or available for any purpose (see what one learns when one asks the right person?) |
| 18:55.25 | xzcvczx | mwester: :o |
| 18:56.22 | mwester | xzcvczx: is the debug connector where you were going to find the other pins for the SPI? |
| 18:56.49 | xzcvczx | mwester: lol no but i figured that statement was partly pointed at me |
| 18:56.51 | roh | mwester: well.. it shoud be able to generate an irq with it, or use it as regular input or output (not sure about the latter) |
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| 18:57.19 | roh | http://people.openmoko.org/roh/Debugport_GTA01bv4.png |
| 18:57.28 | roh | eint3 is what i'm talking about |
| 18:57.55 | flexd | I suppose this is a very wrong channel for this question, but have anyone of you tried installing linux on a compaq ipaq 3630? |
| 18:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 985 has been created by koen(AT)openembedded.org |
| 18:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * today doesn't seem to honour vfolders |
| 18:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=985 |
| 18:58.06 | roh | its not connected to something else.. the i2c is shared, the rest not afaik |
| 18:58.10 | flexd | bloody thing wont boot onto the bootloader no matter what i do :/ |
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| 18:58.37 | nnpiggy | Hooray! "Connected to Network"! |
| 18:59.42 | nnpiggy | Oh dear. "Window manager exited because of uncaught signal." |
| 19:00.00 | mwester | roh, xzcvczx: that looks like the place to get the SPI signals, and a glance at the specs for the processor should tell if the EINT3 line can be set to an output (you'll need a pull-up or pull-down, I expect). |
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| 19:01.00 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: lol not as bad as the knoppix variant i used to install gentoo on my laptop if you connect to the wireless it kills x and all child process in the process making a good job of destroying my windows partition which was going throught a ntfsshrink at the time |
| 19:01.32 | mwester | roh: what are the H-TP4705 numbers referring to? |
| 19:01.42 | anrp | test pad # |
| 19:01.46 | roh | jap |
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| 19:02.25 | mwester | Ok. So much to play with, so little time... |
| 19:02.26 | roh | well.. what are you planning when you need spi AND an irq? |
| 19:02.45 | anrp | i dont think he wants an irq, he just wants to repurpose it as digital output |
| 19:03.13 | mwester | xzcvczx wants to add the device; he needs a GPIO output to enable a device on the SPI |
| 19:03.22 | xzcvczx | well its an option if i cant get hold of an smd500 |
| 19:03.46 | SpeedEvil | Or an I2C GPIO |
| 19:04.17 | mwester | That's a "light-bulb" moment. That would work, of course. |
| 19:04.45 | anrp | it would be exceedingly bizzare imo, and prone to timing errors since i2c is generally a lot slower than spi |
| 19:04.53 | anrp | i don't know what's connected to the spi bus in the neo |
| 19:05.28 | xzcvczx | anrp: how slow is i2c.... from what i saw its fairly fast |
| 19:05.35 | anrp | 400khz data rate |
| 19:05.41 | anrp | but you often see 1mhz+ spi data rates |
| 19:05.49 | anrp | sometimes 10, 20MHz and higher |
| 19:05.56 | anrp | you can set it of course |
| 19:06.03 | anrp | since the cpu is the master |
| 19:06.10 | nnpiggy | For pressure sensors you don't NEED a high data rate. |
| 19:06.26 | anrp | right, but it would monopolize both busses while a transaction is happening |
| 19:06.50 | anrp | since you need to block the SPI device while the I2C gpio keeps the spi device asserted |
| 19:07.02 | anrp | well.. you could use i2c while the spi write is happening |
| 19:07.35 | anrp | still seems a bit heinous to me :/ |
| 19:07.44 | xzcvczx | well i guess i would need to work out which bus gets less use as i guess the more important part is how often the reads are done |
| 19:08.26 | xzcvczx | and all the gsm/sound will be disabled while the pressure sensor is in use anyway in my application |
| 19:12.03 | nnpiggy | Yay! I completed a call... |
| 19:13.21 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: lol i had the issue where i dialed a 0800 and then realised that there is no way from dialer to hangup :S |
| 19:13.36 | nnpiggy | Oh dear. |
| 19:13.49 | nnpiggy | I hadn't noticed. My wife was kind enough to hang up. |
| 19:14.08 | xzcvczx | at least 0800 is free call but had to go through all the stuff until it gave me the option to end the call remotely |
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| 19:14.37 | nnpiggy | You could have pulled the battery... |
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| 19:15.06 | mwester | Ok, according to the manual, EINT3 is GPF3, which is a configurable I/O port. It can even be used to wake up the device if its suspended. Cool. |
| 19:15.12 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: i had stuff running on the phone that i didnt want to pull the battery for |
| 19:15.27 | nnpiggy | Oh sure, you are adding constraints! :-) |
| 19:15.34 | xzcvczx | lol |
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| 19:16.18 | xzcvczx | mwester: you use to be able to but even if you did it took like 30seconds more to actually end |
| 19:17.10 | mwester | There was a patch submitted to gsmd so that the ATH command didn't have to wait, IIRC. I'm not sure if it's actually committed, though. |
| 19:17.34 | xzcvczx | oh ok |
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| 19:26.30 | nnpiggy | OK, another silly question: How do I exit from the dialer? |
| 19:27.43 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: just click where it says dialer up the top and choose today |
| 19:30.12 | nnpiggy | That leaves the dialer running. I really mean "exit". |
| 19:30.45 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: click the right hand button in today |
| 19:30.58 | xzcvczx | click once on the dialer thing then click the trash |
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| 19:31.38 | nnpiggy | Oh dear. I've killed Today. |
| 19:31.52 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 19:32.06 | hhf423 | so |
| 19:32.26 | hhf423 | the image from today does not start the dialer. error is can not connect to gsmd |
| 19:32.46 | hhf423 | does the image from today (nov 02) from openmoko work for anyone? |
| 19:33.35 | mmontour | In the last couple of images I built, the gsmd plugins were missing from the rootfs image |
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| 19:34.21 | hhf423 | hm |
| 19:35.17 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: did you find there was a lot of echo in your call? |
| 19:35.33 | abraxa_ | nnpiggy: The pwr button closes the current application |
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| 19:36.12 | Telo | hey all |
| 19:36.13 | nnpiggy | xzcvczx: no problem with echo at all. |
| 19:36.33 | xzcvczx | oh ok |
| 19:36.41 | Telo | i wanted to find out is there will be an HSDPA phone in the pipeline? |
| 19:36.47 | nnpiggy | abraxa_: That's just not cricket. Killing programs should be harder than that. I like the menu I was getting with the August load... |
| 19:37.09 | abraxa_ | nnpiggy: Huh? |
| 19:37.10 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: if you hold the pwr button for 3secs you still get menu |
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| 19:40.41 | nnpiggy | Hmm... That's seems like terrible ergonomics, especially since the button has such poor tactile feedback... |
| 19:41.39 | nnpiggy | Can I relaunch Today from Terminal or by ssh'ing into the phone? |
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| 20:05.52 | cb23 | http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html |
| 20:05.54 | cb23 | O-o? |
| 20:08.07 | nnpiggy | Wow. |
| 20:08.10 | nnpiggy | Slick stuff. |
| 20:09.17 | cb23 | indeed |
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| 20:19.15 | nnpiggy | Bye! |
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| 20:28.18 | Telo | anyone know if an HSDPA version of the phone will is in the pipeline? |
| 20:29.34 | mjr | not that anyone who can say knows |
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| 20:29.45 | cb23 | Telo, sure, just like the one with the 10mp camera and the one with the built in teleporter |
| 20:30.16 | cb23 | not to forget the one that glows flourescent green |
| 20:31.04 | Telo | haha |
| 20:31.18 | Telo | no seriously |
| 20:31.25 | xzcvczx | cb23: my ones just in the shop having those added now |
| 20:31.32 | mjr | seriously, not that anyone who can say knows |
| 20:31.36 | Telo | *rolls eyes |
| 20:31.44 | cb23 | Telo, we are being serious :) |
| 20:31.44 | mjr | (V8!) |
| 20:31.51 | cb23 | the NEOT |
| 20:31.54 | cb23 | Neo Teleporter |
| 20:32.08 | Telo | so thats a no then? |
| 20:32.20 | cb23 | Telo, heh, nah, i dont really know |
| 20:32.21 | Telo | openmoko v1 for all eternity? |
| 20:32.28 | xzcvczx | cb23: unfortunately the model i am getting the phone doesnt get transported so if i use it my phone gets left on the footpath where i left from |
| 20:32.32 | mjr | no, that's a not that anyone who can say knows |
| 20:33.10 | cb23 | xzcvczx, damn, thats a irrtating bug |
| 20:33.15 | LittleIdiot | Telo: with another gsm modem that would be possible. if you know a vendor and product, fic could use for the neo, make a suggestion ;) |
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| 20:33.18 | cb23 | i guess it would be like the current ones bug 666 |
| 20:33.26 | xzcvczx | cb23: yeah am working hard on a solution to it |
| 20:33.48 | cb23 | xzcvczx, try rerouting more power from the gsm modem to the flux capacitor |
| 20:33.52 | Telo | hauwei |
| 20:34.42 | LittleIdiot | any news on the 666? i find it somewhat disturbing to not be able to use my sim card... |
| 20:35.01 | cb23 | LittleIdiot, i guess its haunted |
| 20:35.11 | Vegar | damn lawyers |
| 20:35.29 | cb23 | wow, do you think it was pure coincidence that it got bug #666 |
| 20:36.42 | xzcvczx | cb23: i thought of that but the issue is is that i need the radio for the transportation of the date |
| 20:36.45 | xzcvczx | data |
| 20:37.16 | xzcvczx | how do you close windows in irssi :S |
| 20:37.52 | LittleIdiot | /window close |
| 20:37.55 | cb23 | xzcvczx, /window close |
| 20:38.00 | cb23 | bah, beat me to it |
| 20:38.02 | XXLT | .../wc |
| 20:38.05 | xzcvczx | ah |
| 20:38.15 | xzcvczx | thats right |
| 20:38.48 | |R | is gpsd going to be usable over a pand in december GTA02 release? :) |
| 20:39.38 | xzcvczx | |R: when it is released it will most likely be able to |
| 20:39.45 | xzcvczx | people have already done it with the p1 |
| 20:39.57 | xzcvczx | and since the p2 doesnt require a binary should be much easier |
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| 20:42.08 | cb23 | |R, indeed, it should be a simple matter of netcat |
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| 21:09.26 | |R | xzcvczx / cb23: cool thanks :) I'm wondering about getting a bt gps but i may wait ;) |
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| 21:17.36 | Ghiottone | hi all |
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| 21:42.21 | mjr | pfft, no running gsmd on this build then |
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| 21:51.42 | mwester | mjr: just install the missing gsmd libraries with ipkg. I think ipkg install gsmd-plugins will do it. If it's not in the feeds, copy it from your own build to the neo, and install it from there. |
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| 21:54.45 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3343 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: revert testing code |
| 21:55.03 | mjr | ack |
| 21:57.17 | cb23 | syn |
| 21:58.28 | anrp | rst |
| 22:00.50 | Fatal | sandvine ftw :D |
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| 22:05.57 | mjr | oo, now it worked very nicely. For a couple of calls at least. |
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| 22:33.30 | nnpiggy | I have another silly question. How do I answer an incoming call? I'm using the 1 November mwester images. |
| 22:34.44 | xzcvczx | lol is there no answer button either |
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| 22:35.29 | cb23 | lol |
| 22:36.30 | CVirus | aren't there any plans for GTA02 hardware sale ? |
| 22:36.36 | CVirus | even if it's not ready yet |
| 22:36.38 | CVirus | for devs I mean |
| 22:37.00 | xzcvczx | CVirus: so you want a device that they work out after they have sold to devs is faulty? |
| 22:37.27 | CVirus | GTA04v4 maybe |
| 22:37.33 | CVirus | GTA02V4* |
| 22:38.02 | zash | isnt gta02 the last neo-version? |
| 22:38.07 | CVirus | yes |
| 22:38.20 | zash | that they will make/sell? |
| 22:38.22 | CVirus | I'm getting too frustrated |
| 22:38.26 | CVirus | zash: yes |
| 22:38.28 | aevin | hmm.. soon it'll have (be) V8 , after all! (just what we wanted!) |
| 22:38.34 | zash | aha |
| 22:38.42 | zash | didnt see the ' |
| 22:38.43 | zash | * |
| 22:42.01 | aevin | the v8 is coming -> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000904.html |
| 22:43.34 | cb23 | yay! i always wanted a v8 in my phone |
| 22:43.39 | cb23 | i hope its turbocharged |
| 22:43.47 | mjr | it's a common wish 'round these parts |
| 22:44.39 | cb23 | i just hope the engine shuts off when the battery runs flat, otherwise it could interfere with slow charging |
| 22:44.54 | mjr | the engine _charges_ the battery, you silly sod |
| 22:45.17 | mjr | haven't you always wanted a diesel-powered phone? |
| 22:45.23 | CVirus | Why not replace the S3C2442 CPU with the faster S3C2443 CPU as suggested somewhere on the wiki by some user ? |
| 22:45.24 | cb23 | yeah, but you need power to start it! |
| 22:46.41 | roh | CVirus because they have nothing in common like S3C2410 S3C2440 and S3C2442. |
| 22:46.50 | CVirus | and replhmm |
| 22:46.53 | CVirus | oops |
| 22:46.54 | CVirus | hmm |
| 22:47.02 | CVirus | how about that wifi card that was suggested |
| 22:47.10 | CVirus | it will cut the power usage to 70% |
| 22:47.14 | CVirus | by 70%* |
| 22:47.31 | roh | which one? we are now using ar6k |
| 22:47.41 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: becasue at this point the design is frozen. |
| 22:47.42 | CVirus | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5024332766.html |
| 22:47.55 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: any minor change would delay by at best a couple of months. |
| 22:48.09 | CVirus | The AR6002 is said to be software-compatible with the company's prior AR6001 (AR6K). A GPL-licensed Linux driver for that chip is available, and has already been adopted by the OpenMoko project. |
| 22:48.11 | mjr | oh it's "let's make pointless suggestions about hardware changes that can't happen anymore" |
| 22:48.24 | mjr | time |
| 22:48.40 | CVirus | I understand |
| 22:49.21 | cb23 | lol mjr |
| 22:49.30 | roh | CVirus well.. its a module. but since that is just a press release and says nothing about being buy-able in volume i dont give so much |
| 22:49.56 | CVirus | GTA02v4 produced in moderate volume |
| 22:50.02 | CVirus | what does "moderate volume" mean ? |
| 22:50.12 | thomasg | CVirus: I read about that chipset and it sounds really interesting - even if the numbers (70%...) are useless |
| 22:50.13 | roh | CVirus who says that? |
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| 22:50.45 | CVirus | roh: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973#Estimated_time_line |
| 22:51.04 | roh | well.. its a wiki. see the edit history. |
| 22:51.20 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: that was me |
| 22:51.23 | roh | besides that its estimated. |
| 22:51.27 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: that was an estimated timeline |
| 22:51.33 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: a couple of months ago |
| 22:51.35 | CVirus | what does "moderate volume" mean ? |
| 22:51.37 | CVirus | I understand |
| 22:51.40 | cb23 | AFAIK M.S edited it |
| 22:51.46 | CVirus | I'm asking about the phrase "moderate volume" |
| 22:51.51 | mjr | due for volume production Q1 2008 |
| 22:51.52 | CVirus | my English isn't that good ... that's all |
| 22:52.08 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: I think I meant 100 |
| 22:52.11 | mjr | sounds like it could be a swell chip for a successor to the Neo1973 |
| 22:52.26 | SpeedEvil | But, it's an estimate, and it's now probably outdated |
| 22:52.35 | roh | well.. if you ask me. as long as harald an me dont have a v4 i cannot say its distributed to internal developers for validation |
| 22:52.36 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: 100 devices you mean ? |
| 22:52.53 | roh | at least that stage is not completed yet. |
| 22:52.54 | CVirus | roh: you're one of the core developers ? |
| 22:52.56 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: yes. but it was an estimate a couple of months ago, that has been overtaken by events |
| 22:53.04 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: I understand .. thanks |
| 22:53.13 | roh | CVirus no. but i do work with them |
| 22:53.18 | CVirus | I see |
| 22:53.32 | roh | CVirus i am a om employee if thats what youre asking |
| 22:53.33 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: it was based on estimates and some knowledge of previous hardware timelines. |
| 22:53.56 | CVirus | roh: OM emloyee ? who funds OM ? |
| 22:54.13 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.26 | roh | CVirus its funded and founded by fic |
| 22:54.36 | CVirus | hmm |
| 22:54.45 | CVirus | never knew OM was founded by FIC |
| 22:54.55 | CVirus | I thought the Neo1973 only |
| 22:56.05 | roh | fic builds the hardware, openmoko does the software. design and validation happens colaboratively since you cannot seperate that without making bad impact on the design quality |
| 22:56.53 | CVirus | I understand |
| 22:58.23 | SpeedEvil | FIC don't care about OM - to a large extent. It's simply a means of making their phones sellable to customers without having to write a software stack themselves. If it's OM, or Qtopia, or ... doesn't matter so much. As long as they don't have to pay (much) for it, and it's usable by users. |
| 22:58.40 | SpeedEvil | Of course, the OM team would rather it's OM. |
| 22:58.42 | CVirus | I get it |
| 22:58.52 | SpeedEvil | (as I see it from an external perspective) |
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| 23:01.19 | roh | well.. it the customers choice |
| 23:01.59 | roh | what ui he wants. qtopia also uses the whole kernel from om |
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| 23:02.54 | roh | well.. was nice talking.. i need to be elsewhere soon.. |
| 23:02.57 | SpeedEvil | And of course FIC can steer OM to some extent where they want it to go. They can't do so with Qtopia. |
| 23:03.00 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 23:03.15 | roh | send me mail if there are anymore questions needing clarification ;) |
| 23:05.29 | aevin | so, when is trolltech gonna buy fluffy spider tech? ;-) |
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| 23:06.48 | CVirus | Which came first .. Qtopia or OpenMoko ? |
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| 23:08.19 | don-o | CVirus: OpenMoko is a relatively new project |
| 23:08.46 | CVirus | I see |
| 23:18.50 | ckuethe | why? |
| 23:18.55 | ckuethe | what'd i break now? |
| 23:19.22 | xzcvczx | ckuethe: because it is proving to be a ****ing c*** b**** a** to work with |
| 23:19.49 | xzcvczx | aka find doco for |
| 23:20.11 | ckuethe | again, "what'd i break?" |
| 23:20.18 | ckuethe | <--- gpsd maintainer |
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| 23:24.37 | xzcvczx | ckuethe: oh...... :S |
| 23:24.43 | Ghiottone | is there any gpsd enable program working on the neo atm? |
| 23:24.56 | Ghiottone | s/enable/enabled/ |
| 23:25.27 | xzcvczx | ckuethe: well the main issue is that i am trying to create a client to gpsd and am finding very little documentation on what i need |
| 23:28.03 | ckuethe | ok, and what do you need documented? |
| 23:28.44 | ckuethe | and why have you not asked on the gpsd lists (because then we'd add it to the faq or something) |
| 23:29.18 | xzcvczx | ckuethe: i really cant stand mailing lists |
| 23:30.50 | xzcvczx | althought one thing i wouldnt mind seeing would be something like xgps but just a very basic short command line app as its much easier to learn by example |
| 23:31.18 | xzcvczx | well i find it much easier to learn by example |
| 23:31.25 | ckuethe | cgpxlogger |
| 23:33.14 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: haven't you read man gpsd? |
| 23:33.21 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: it's a pretty simple protocol |
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| 23:38.19 | mwester | SpeedEvil: too late. he shot himself and disappeared. |
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