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| 00:08.45 | mwester | ...but it's not very efficient at smaller sizes. |
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| 00:12.01 | SpeedEvil | Basically. |
| 00:12.10 | SpeedEvil | Room temperature superconductors might help with that. |
| 00:12.16 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 00:12.54 | Mek | :) nice... a room temperature superconductor in a micro-sd card :) |
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| 01:51.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r3138 10/trunk/src/host/usbpath/ (README lsusbpath): |
| 01:51.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: lsusbpath: wrapper for lsusb to also print path names |
| 01:51.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: README: added description of lsusbpath |
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| 02:31.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: main.c (iterate_dfu_devices): put back essential call to count_dfu_interfaces |
| 02:31.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: stupidly removed by mistake :-( |
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| 03:33.42 | pmax | also tried on mac os x with the same problem |
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| 04:12.36 | khaije1 | my build has been going for about 4 hours, is that normal? amd xp3200+ w/ 2.5gb ram |
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| 04:15.47 | atul | Hi Khajel, it is absolutely normal it tooks almost 6hr and more It depends on your internate speed |
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| 04:21.23 | CM | khaije1: A clean build from scratch on my amd64 3000+ takes about 10h |
| 04:21.48 | CM | pmax: I had the same problem |
| 04:21.52 | khaije1 | CM: k, good to know, thx |
| 04:21.58 | pmax | oh? |
| 04:22.00 | pmax | what fixed it? |
| 04:22.03 | CM | pmax: Maybe it's something with some of the newer u-boots |
| 04:22.12 | CM | Nope, no sucess yet |
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| 05:00.45 | linuxxr | alrightythen |
| 05:01.10 | linuxxr | i want a neo:) |
| 05:01.42 | linuxxr | when will it be ready? |
| 05:02.22 | doc|home | linuxxr: see topic :/ |
| 05:03.03 | linuxxr | ok |
| 05:03.48 | linuxxr | still out of stock? |
| 05:09.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 918 has been created by roh(AT)openmoko.org |
| 05:09.02 | cdbot2 | * * yaffs2-utils-native fails to build |
| 05:09.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=918 |
| 05:09.17 | doc|home | linuxxr: not sure but I think so |
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| 05:18.37 | CM | linuxxr: No, gta01 seems to be in stock |
| 05:19.18 | CM | But gta02, the one with wifi and grapics card will probably be in sale around december |
| 05:21.01 | linuxxr | yay |
| 05:22.05 | CM | Mek ordered late September and got his in about a week |
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| 05:24.00 | khaije1 | CM: does that mean just hw or full product w/ regard to the dec release of the gta02 ? |
| 05:24.28 | CM | khaije1: Only hw, the software is far from done.. |
| 05:24.45 | CM | It's the P1 of GTA02 |
| 05:25.06 | CM | P0 = Some known devs get a phone for free |
| 05:25.07 | khaije1 | ah, i see |
| 05:25.17 | CM | P1 = developer release, any can buy |
| 05:25.33 | CM | P2 = public release with "Done" software |
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| 05:29.56 | khaije1 | talk about anticipation, my gf is really tired of hearing me rant about wanting one of these :-) |
| 05:30.07 | CM | Hehe |
| 05:30.49 | CM | I've had one since early august, and finally the software is starting to get in order |
| 05:30.55 | khaije1 | a gf? |
| 05:31.12 | khaije1 | ya, they are tricky |
| 05:31.18 | khaije1 | QA is a pain |
| 05:31.24 | khaije1 | :-) |
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| 05:31.40 | CM | What bothers me most is that the GPS isn't working.. |
| 05:31.58 | CM | Not without a lot of trouble, since the binary driver is OABI only |
| 05:32.10 | CM | And OpenMoko is EABI |
| 05:38.41 | xaid | I wonder if the difference between GTA02 P1 and GTA02 P2 will be just a more complete software package or if it will involve hardware changes..if its just the software then I'm getting a P1 when it comes out :) |
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| 05:44.22 | CM | xaid: It's supposed to be just the software, unless they find some truly nasty bug. |
| 05:45.30 | xaid | CM: If a nasty bug does crop up, I hope there will be some sort of recall for the affected units :) |
| 05:46.41 | CM | It can't be that bad. They do test it, and the P0 would have found it if there was anything that bad |
| 05:50.13 | xaid | you're right.i wonder how the testing of the new prototypes is going, and whether a decision has been made on the AGPS chipset yet. |
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| 05:51.24 | CM | Yes, I think it's been done a long time ago, but they're not allowed to confirm anything yet |
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| 05:52.54 | xaid | I remember a discussion about this a while back on the mailing list. something regarding a firmware based AGPS chipset vs what the hammerhead uses. |
| 05:53.14 | xaid | I could be wrong though, I don't really remember all the details.. |
| 05:54.32 | cjb_ie | well, P1 will still be a "developer preview" won't it, rather than a consumer product. i can't see fic feeling obliged to do a recall |
| 05:54.44 | cjb_ie | (plus, do you _really_ think they could handle the logistics?) |
| 05:55.41 | cjb_ie | and any serious bug is going to involve opening the phone up and putting a new pcb in anyway - a significant chunk of the cost. it probably has two or more PCBs in there |
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| 05:56.36 | cjb_ie | unless they get into reworking existing PCBs with trace cutting and patch wire - but on modern multilayer PCBs that's unlikely to be feasible |
| 05:56.51 | cjb_ie | particularly in a limited-space environment such as a phone |
| 05:57.40 | xaid | you have a good point. i guess marking it as a developer's preview is the best/safest way to go about it. |
| 05:58.15 | xaid | well, good night everyone. |
| 05:58.47 | CM | night :) |
| 05:58.57 | cjb_ie | night |
| 05:59.02 | cjb_ie | sorry to dash your hopes :) |
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| 06:03.37 | holycow | hello my mokomonkeys |
| 06:03.49 | CM | Good morning |
| 06:06.24 | roh | morning |
| 06:06.34 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.57 | mwester | Greetings roh |
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| 06:55.36 | Henryk | roh: when you had breakfast, please scroll back if possible. there was a user (madmarkus) with strange touchscreen problems at around 0:50 |
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| 06:59.44 | roh | hmmm... did he try reseating the display connector? |
| 07:01.21 | CM | Henryk: Did he run ts_harvest or something like that? |
| 07:01.52 | Henryk | roh: not yet |
| 07:02.31 | roh | thats what i would try next |
| 07:03.11 | CM | It gives crazy values for me too, but everything works |
| 07:05.09 | Henryk | ts_calibrate and xtscal refused to work with "determinant is too small -- 0.0000000" and ts_test would print out bogus coordinates (first on in the -29900 range, second one fixed at 352) |
| 07:05.27 | CM | Ouch |
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| 07:50.20 | zecke | pmax: hi |
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| 07:55.52 | CM | Mobile Firefox: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/schrep/archives/2007/10/mozilla_and_mobile.html |
| 07:57.08 | ljp | zecke: ping |
| 07:57.11 | zecke | pong |
| 07:58.58 | ljp | do you want your neo's back? |
| 08:00.15 | zecke | ljp: One would be nice, because I'm out of neos for now |
| 08:00.38 | tuukkah | accidental use of apostrophe =) |
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| 08:05.08 | Placid | Can I have one, please |
| 08:05.58 | zecke | ljp: I assume I can pick up one in munich |
| 08:06.46 | ljp | i'd hope so |
| 08:08.40 | Placid | Guess we're getting closer to the release now then? |
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| 08:20.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3140 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-keypad.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:20.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com> |
| 08:20.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * moko-keypad.c: (on_panel_user_input): Emit signal DIGIT_PRESSED |
| 08:20.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: when keypad digit was pressed, |
| 08:20.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * moko-dialer.c: (on_call_progress_changed): Check if status was |
| 08:20.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: changed to TALKING when dialer received MOKO_GSMD_PROG_CONNECTED, |
| 08:20.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (on_keypad_digit_pressed): Implemented sending of DTMF tones |
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| 08:24.54 | mickeyl | morning |
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| 08:33.38 | hrw | hi |
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| 08:51.47 | GoGi | Why does qemu need -kernel xxx.bin? Can it not load the kernel from the flash? Does it bypass u-boot? |
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| 08:57.40 | GoGi | it seems to run u-boot but how? |
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| 09:00.26 | tuukkah | GoGi, hmm, flashing on physical hardware takes separate filesystem and kernel images too |
| 09:03.51 | GoGi | hm but qemu seems to emulate flashing on physical hardware |
| 09:05.24 | GoGi | can I disable the splash screen? |
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| 09:07.47 | mickeyl | ipkg remove psplash |
| 09:07.49 | mickeyl | then reboot |
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| 09:31.23 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:36.39 | CM | I'd like to see it: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/10/gphone_mobile_os/ |
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| 10:36.43 | mickeyl | abraxa_: i've seen a recent openmoko-mediaplayer2. it works pretty well, good job. |
| 10:37.10 | mickeyl | i'm glad it's working w/ pulseaudio now. did you change the patch to mad? |
| 10:38.32 | gw280 | hey mickeyl |
| 10:39.46 | mickeyl | hi |
| 10:40.15 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Did the device you see it on have my patched libgstmad? I didn't bring it upstream yet and without it, mp3 playback is too slow |
| 10:40.40 | mickeyl | abraxa_: yes. he had your patched one. it was Henryk's device |
| 10:41.04 | mickeyl | abraxa_: can you send me the latest version of your patch? I'll apply it to libgstmad for openmoko-only then |
| 10:41.18 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Ahh okay - I got PulseAudio to behave also, thanks to this mail: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2007-July/000557.html |
| 10:41.36 | abraxa_ | You might want to read it just to know what I had to do |
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| 10:42.25 | abraxa_ | As about the patch... I'm not yet convinced that patching all mis-behaving decoders to force them into 16-bit mode is the best way to approach this |
| 10:42.54 | abraxa_ | I fear that by doing this we might have side effects on other devices that aren't 16-bit aligned as ARM is |
| 10:42.56 | xyzzy_bill | Hey, guys. I've written up my initial wish-list for OpenMoko software, at billrocks.org/moko_wishlist |
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| 10:43.31 | xyzzy_bill | It's basically a text brain-dump of everything I liked about my old fruit-phone, with the features I really wished it had. |
| 10:43.32 | mickeyl | abraxa_: well, it's going to be a machine specific patch |
| 10:43.50 | abraxa_ | Ahh okay then |
| 10:43.53 | xyzzy_bill | abraxa_: Do you ever sleep? You were here when I left :-) |
| 10:43.54 | cjb_ie | fruit-phone? |
| 10:44.06 | xyzzy_bill | fruit-phone = iphone |
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| 10:44.25 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: In that case I'll also prepare a patch for libmad so it doesn't internally calculate samples with 28 bit precision when 16 bit are enough |
| 10:44.26 | cjb_ie | i didn't think they were around long enough to be "old" |
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| 10:45.07 | mickeyl | abraxa_: yes, please. you can safely assume this patch will only be applied for Neo1973's |
| 10:45.10 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Aside from that, patching libtremor/ivorbisdec to 16 bit is necessary for smooth vorbis playback so you'll find a patch for that in your mailbox soon, too |
| 10:45.19 | mickeyl | abraxa_: great. thanks! |
| 10:45.24 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: okay :) |
| 10:45.27 | mickeyl | bbiab, lunch time |
| 10:45.31 | abraxa_ | Enjoy |
| 10:46.01 | abraxa_ | xyzzy_bill: I do sleep, just time zones vary as my girlfriend lives in Las Vegas while I'm in Germany ;) |
| 10:46.07 | xyzzy_bill | So, is there anything like the openmoko wish-list anywhere in the wiki? I'm looking for something like the typical Ubuntu release specs. |
| 10:46.24 | Plasma_GR | awh, why December? Im sad the dev goes that slow... |
| 10:46.25 | XorA | I would like to see libmad patch go global as gst and pulse are coming to more devices |
| 10:46.29 | xyzzy_bill | abraxa_: now that's what I call a long-distance relationship |
| 10:47.17 | abraxa_ | XorA: I'll leave that up to you guys to decide - I had no problems with those patches on my Neo, so... |
| 10:47.55 | XorA | on c7x0 it is technically possible to play video with gst based player, so every cycle counts |
| 10:48.11 | abraxa_ | XorA: I assume it's best then to created bugtracker entries for them and just pass the link to Mickey (or you?) |
| 10:48.13 | XorA | c7x0 supports Xv |
| 10:48.24 | XorA | abraxa_: yes normally the best plan |
| 10:49.41 | xyzzy_bill | So, does OpenMoko have anything like this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs. Ubutu keeps track of it's release goals fairly well. |
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| 10:58.45 | abraxa_ | xyzzy_bill: Nope, at least not in public |
| 10:59.31 | xyzzy_bill | abraxa_: I found http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas. There are 80 ideas, and I could add to it, but a simple list is just noise. |
| 11:00.22 | abraxa_ | Noise? |
| 11:00.30 | abraxa_ | Just sort your ideas in where they could fit :) |
| 11:00.50 | abraxa_ | Actually... uh |
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| 11:01.11 | xyzzy_bill | abraxa_: The list has everything from wanting to run Puppy Linux, to having the phone be built with snap-together modules to add the camera, GSM, etc. |
| 11:01.18 | abraxa_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist is a better place - I didn't realize you were linking to a non-OM wiki |
| 11:01.49 | xyzzy_bill | abraxa_: Ah... much better... I'll take a look. Thanks. |
| 11:02.08 | abraxa_ | :) |
| 11:02.12 | xyzzy_bill | abraxa_: My first wish is for an index to the wiki :-) |
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| 11:05.36 | abraxa_ | Index? |
| 11:09.29 | abraxa_ | xyzzy_bill: btw - you'll never see Skype on a Neo because it's a binary blob for i386 whereas Neo's run on ARM |
| 11:09.39 | abraxa_ | Neos* |
| 11:23.26 | jorgenpt | abraxa_: qemu! vmware! :-P |
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| 11:26.45 | ynezz | yes and .NET and other embedded friendly technologies |
| 11:29.33 | mjr | Well. Skype *could* port if if they want to. But I wouldn't really want them to. |
| 11:30.16 | mjr | also considering apparently maemo has a skype client, it might be possible to kludge that into running, dunno |
| 11:30.26 | mjr | certainly not gonna go through the trouble |
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| 11:35.48 | xyzzy_bill | abraxa_: I know... that's why SIP client is so important, and a Yahoo/Google voice capable IM would also be nice. |
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| 11:38.09 | SpeedEvil | I wish someone would release decent voice recognition. |
| 11:38.19 | SpeedEvil | speaker dependant even |
| 11:38.42 | SpeedEvil | voice-over-ip, with marked-up-text would use _lots_ less bandwidth |
| 11:42.16 | ScaredyCat | there's lots of that, just that it's useually hosted |
| 11:42.19 | ScaredyCat | usually |
| 11:42.39 | ScaredyCat | pocket sphinx might be your best bet |
| 11:42.46 | ScaredyCat | for foss |
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| 11:46.07 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 11:46.23 | SpeedEvil | I don't even mind buying it. |
| 11:46.39 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that all commercial development got eaten or abandoned. |
| 11:47.27 | ScaredyCat | I met a guy at VON in boston their stuff was awesome... |
| 11:47.28 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention that transcribing calls would be nice. |
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| 11:51.32 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 11:51.41 | ScaredyCat | have you got an asterisk box ? |
| 11:51.51 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning on the phone. |
| 11:52.04 | Henryk | Maybe ask google. They surely would like to offer a service where you route all your calls over google, have them speech-to-text them with the best software on the planet and huge amount of processing power, and then send you an email with the contents. (Not to mention targeted advertisement.) ;-) |
| 11:53.13 | ScaredyCat | the reason I was asking is that there's a demo site available ... |
| 11:53.34 | ScaredyCat | you can play blackjack using voice recognition |
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| 11:55.35 | ScaredyCat | search for voicexml |
| 11:56.23 | ScaredyCat | http://www.voxeo.com/ |
| 11:56.28 | ScaredyCat | try their demos |
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| 11:57.03 | ScaredyCat | http://www.voxeo.com/developers/ is the interesting bit |
| 11:58.32 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, isn't asterisk box *on* the neo =) |
| 11:58.33 | ScaredyCat | http://www.voxeo.com/prophecy/ |
| 11:58.48 | ScaredyCat | downloadable ^^ |
| 11:59.42 | ScaredyCat | windows only that bit |
| 11:59.49 | ScaredyCat | but free for 2 ports |
| 12:00.37 | ScaredyCat | makes me want to install a windows vm |
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| 12:08.53 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 12:09.24 | tuukkah | hello raddy |
| 12:10.11 | raddy | I am one of the lead admin of a mobile software company that develops and sells j2me based mobile applications |
| 12:10.30 | raddy | We recently bought a openmoko phone |
| 12:11.03 | raddy | That is GTA01 |
| 12:11.16 | raddy | Neo 1973 |
| 12:11.45 | tuukkah | i would've been surprised if you'd bought some other device with openmoko at this point :-) |
| 12:12.04 | raddy | tuukkah: Is GTA01 and GTA01v4 is same? |
| 12:12.36 | tuukkah | gta01 has various versions, but i think everyone who bought one has gta01bv4 |
| 12:12.55 | raddy | tuukkah: ohh, how to check the version? |
| 12:13.18 | tuukkah | there's an at command |
| 12:13.45 | cesarb | raddy: you can also read the sticker behind the battery |
| 12:13.56 | raddy | tuukkah : ohh, isn't that information be printed psycally anywhere? |
| 12:14.19 | raddy | tuukkah : in the sticker i got GTA01 |
| 12:14.30 | raddy | tuukkah : not the version |
| 12:15.00 | SpeedEvil | there is only GTA01v4 sold to users |
| 12:15.01 | SpeedEvil | ever |
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| 12:15.17 | tuukkah | i got "Model Name: GTA01BV4 -- FCC ID: EUNGTA01BV4" |
| 12:15.19 | raddy | SpeedEvil: ohh, cool |
| 12:15.23 | cesarb | mine says: Model Name: GTA01BV4 |
| 12:15.42 | raddy | ok |
| 12:16.35 | madmarkus | hi, i think i've got an hardwareproblem with my neo's touchscreen. what's the best place to write about and get some more information? her? an maillinglist(which)? the forum? |
| 12:16.35 | raddy | When i boot the phone i get a kernel panic, is anything need to be installed in the phone to actually boot? |
| 12:17.46 | Stephmw | iirc there's an initial procedure you have to follow, it's on the wiki |
| 12:17.56 | SpeedEvil | you need to install the root FS |
| 12:18.02 | SpeedEvil | for some reason tehre isn't one. |
| 12:19.38 | madmarkus | this paragraph should help: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Flashing_the_Neo1973_GTA01Bv4 |
| 12:19.52 | tuukkah | raddy, the instructions say you should start reading at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 |
| 12:20.59 | sannes | ScaredyCat: Heh, is it just me or are the qtopia images just getting worse and worse? :P |
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| 12:21.37 | ScaredyCat | having probs sannes? |
| 12:22.05 | ScaredyCat | I haven't put the latest one on mine as yet... |
| 12:22.54 | Henryk | madmarkus: roh was there this morning. he suggested reseating the display connector |
| 12:24.45 | madmarkus | allright...but i need to open the tork-screws, right? there is an seal on one of them ... |
| 12:24.46 | sannes | ScaredyCat: Well, hm, screenlocking has artifacts, bluetooth stopped working, .. hm .. but the address book worked this time .. hm, interesting, and it doesn't show the operator anymore .. I just downloaded from your site (buildhost.automated.it) to play around a bit |
| 12:24.54 | SpeedEvil | madwoota: torx |
| 12:24.55 | madmarkus | what do i loose if i break it? |
| 12:25.00 | SpeedEvil | madwoota: points |
| 12:25.24 | SpeedEvil | madwoota: It's never been made clear what the warranty is. |
| 12:25.37 | madmarkus | hm, okay :) |
| 12:25.39 | SpeedEvil | Other than the 'if it breaks in 14 days' bit. |
| 12:25.43 | cjb_ie | if you break it, you get to keep the pieces :-) |
| 12:25.53 | Henryk | raddy: everyone elses neo was delivered with a small coaster that said "SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED Before trying to use this phone, please check: wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1" |
| 12:26.25 | madmarkus | hm..okay :) |
| 12:26.33 | Henryk | madmarkus: ignore the seal. i have been told it's only there because FIC is used to doing it that way |
| 12:26.57 | SpeedEvil | Henryk: do you know if there is a functional warranty? |
| 12:26.59 | ScaredyCat | yeah, not sure hwy the operator doesn't show up |
| 12:27.00 | sannes | madmarkus: else you can come here and yell at Henryk :P |
| 12:27.09 | SpeedEvil | Henryk: other than the 14 day thing mentioned on the coaster? |
| 12:27.13 | ScaredyCat | I just spotted another,, so I'll build that too. |
| 12:27.26 | Henryk | SpeedEvil: I don't know anything about that |
| 12:27.30 | SpeedEvil | Henryk: fine. |
| 12:28.31 | madmarkus | allright....unfortunately, the phone was bought by the university ..., so i think i have to talk to someone else first... |
| 12:30.21 | Stephmw | raddy: is your company investigating the j2me aspects of openmoko? |
| 12:30.37 | Henryk | there is a recipe for phoneme for openmoko |
| 12:31.13 | raddy | Stephmw: nope, we are interested in building native application |
| 12:31.18 | Stephmw | raddy: 'k |
| 12:31.24 | Henryk | good |
| 12:31.30 | Stephmw | Henryk: yes, but that's without gui, afaik |
| 12:31.48 | Stephmw | Henryk: others are working on integrating the gui portions |
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| 12:31.57 | Henryk | Stephmw: no, that's with gui (you can't build J2ME without GUI), but on directfb without x. I should know, i wrote it :) |
| 12:32.03 | Stephmw | Henryk: I've just come back from a 3-week holiday, so I'm catching up |
| 12:32.37 | Stephmw | Henryk: ah, ok, directfb is nice and simple... I take it the widgets are all java-rendered? |
| 12:32.47 | Henryk | and yes, there are packages by jalimo for proper j2se, don't know how much gui they have |
| 12:32.58 | raddy | Stephmw: is there a method to know kernel rootfs combination? without trial and error? |
| 12:33.06 | Stephmw | it'll likely be gtk based |
| 12:33.22 | Henryk | Stephmw: yes. phoneme is typically used without a full operating system and things below it, so it just draws all its things itself |
| 12:33.33 | Stephmw | raddy: I'll defer to prototype owners, I haven't got my own |
| 12:34.23 | Stephmw | Henryk: some context - I've worked on LCDUI API development on other closed platforms (Java/Embedded C) |
| 12:34.32 | Stephmw | Henryk: so I understand those bits ;-) |
| 12:34.35 | raddy | anybody else know a method to know kernel rootfs combination? without trial and error? |
| 12:35.02 | Stephmw | Henryk: did you add a midlet browser? |
| 12:35.16 | Henryk | Stephmw: is included |
| 12:35.40 | madmarkus | raddy, take on of the "tested" |
| 12:35.41 | madmarkus | :) |
| 12:36.16 | madmarkus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing |
| 12:36.46 | Henryk | Stephmw: all i had to add was tslib support for the touch screen as input device. unfortunately phoneme doesn't have a virtual keyboard |
| 12:37.41 | Stephmw | Henryk: I'm sure someone will add it if they can be bothered :) |
| 12:39.58 | Stephmw | Henryk: are you also interested in writing more around phoneme, or will you move onto something else? |
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| 12:42.02 | Henryk | Stephmw: I'm now working at mono. I did the phoneme over one weekend for a quick demonstration of our already existing J2ME code on the neo and now we're writing new code with mono |
| 12:42.27 | Stephmw | fair enough :) |
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| 13:07.24 | raddy | What is ipkg upgrade? |
| 13:10.17 | Ganneff | a command |
| 13:11.14 | gamin | anybody success making calls with the qtopia images? |
| 13:11.40 | gamin | here it actually calls, but no sound and no micro |
| 13:12.18 | Henryk | raddy: compares the versions in its package list (which you update with ipkg update) with the installed versions and upgrade packages if possible |
| 13:12.33 | raddy | Henryk: ohh |
| 13:13.13 | raddy | Henryk: isn't there a fully working phone image? |
| 13:13.43 | raddy | Henryk: is there third party images i can install? |
| 13:14.39 | Henryk | raddy: the qtopia ones have most functionality. the openmoko ones are getting better but the gsm still is practically broken. works for me 2 out of 3 times though |
| 13:15.21 | Henryk | s/gsm/gsmd/ |
| 13:15.34 | raddy | Henryk : does qtopia images's gsm functionality work? |
| 13:15.38 | gi-el | gamin: try to set the correct sound routing with alsactl with the handset.state |
| 13:15.54 | Henryk | raddy: mostly, except for the mixer settings sometimes |
| 13:16.20 | raddy | Henryk: woww, i'll try |
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| 13:16.52 | gi-el | Henryk: is that with ScaredyCat's qtopia image or did you built something yourself? |
| 13:17.12 | gi-el | or is there something in OE already? |
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| 13:17.28 | Henryk | gi-el: I didn't build qtopia and only tried it once some time ago |
| 13:17.36 | gi-el | ok |
| 13:18.06 | Henryk | but i think alphaone for example uses a qtopia neo1973 as his daily phone |
| 13:18.20 | gi-el | hm, i'm going to try that |
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| 13:20.14 | gi-el | time to also make a built environment on this laptop, makes me more mobile while hacking :) |
| 13:21.09 | gamin | gi-el: not really sure what you mean - I read the alsactl man page and searched the wiki for alsactl... |
| 13:21.18 | gi-el | i mean: |
| 13:21.21 | gamin | I have a ssh connection |
| 13:21.33 | gi-el | alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset.state restore |
| 13:21.50 | gi-el | not sure about the gsmhandset.state, look in a recent openmoko image in /etc/*state |
| 13:22.05 | raddy | What is lowlevel_foo*** stuff |
| 13:22.17 | raddy | How can i flash it? |
| 13:22.22 | Henryk | raddy: you don't |
| 13:22.26 | Henryk | just ignore it |
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| 13:22.48 | raddy | Henryk: then, which one should i download? |
| 13:23.10 | raddy | Henryk: zimage ? uimage ? |
| 13:23.20 | gi-el | uimage |
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| 13:23.23 | gi-el | those are kernels |
| 13:23.27 | ScaredyCat | uimage == kernel |
| 13:23.30 | Henryk | (lowlevel_foo is used with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Devirginator) |
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| 13:24.30 | Henryk | raddy: I think I already gave you the link http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 which then leads you to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko which is quite specific, IMHO |
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| 13:25.27 | gamin | gi-el: thanks! |
| 13:26.01 | raddy | Henryk: but i think, it talks about flash qtopia images |
| 13:26.23 | Henryk | ah, you want to not flash openmoko, ok |
| 13:26.34 | raddy | yup |
| 13:27.15 | Henryk | qtopia on the neo is documented here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 13:28.20 | gi-el | wow, trolltech made an image themselves? |
| 13:28.23 | raddy | Henryk: isn't file system need to be installed in qtopia? |
| 13:29.56 | Henryk | raddy: yes, should be included in the "Qtopia snapshot on Neo Flash Image and kernel" download. e.g. there are exactly two files in there: kernel and rootfs |
| 13:30.49 | raddy | Henryk: the guide only gave instructions for installing kernel, thats why i was confused |
| 13:31.03 | raddy | Henryk: sorry, i am a complete noob |
| 13:31.35 | gi-el | we all got to start somewhere :)\ |
| 13:31.51 | raddy | gi-el: :) |
| 13:32.29 | Henryk | raddy: just download the qtopia archive with the two files, then use the Flashing_openmoko instructions, just the the qtopia files and not the openmoko files |
| 13:32.29 | raddy | seems qtopia doesn't have sdk for Neo 1973 phones |
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| 13:33.29 | gi-el | you migth be able to just use the default sdk with neo cross toolchain |
| 13:34.01 | ScaredyCat | eh? |
| 13:34.10 | ScaredyCat | look in the devices folder |
| 13:34.27 | raddy | gi-el: do you mean qtopia sdk with neo's cross toolchain sdk? |
| 13:34.30 | gi-el | (i'm just trying to help without knowing stuff :P) |
| 13:34.35 | gi-el | raddy: it might be |
| 13:34.52 | gi-el | that's what i would try, or, listen to people who know more about it |
| 13:34.53 | gi-el | :) |
| 13:34.54 | raddy | ScaredyCat: does qtopia supports neo based phones? |
| 13:34.59 | gi-el | raddy: yes! |
| 13:35.02 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 13:35.04 | gi-el | raddy: don't you read the links we give you? |
| 13:35.13 | raddy | greatttttt |
| 13:35.42 | raddy | gi-el: but the links didn't talk yet about the qtopia sdk |
| 13:35.42 | ScaredyCat | lol.... |
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| 13:50.50 | kristian-m | hi |
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| 13:53.22 | wibbit | What are gumstix? |
| 13:53.47 | kristian-m | wibbit see http://gumstix.com/ |
| 13:53.49 | XorA | like chewing gum |
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| 14:00.54 | wibbit | kristian-m: cheers :) |
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| 14:30.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3141 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-talking.c): |
| 14:30.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Based on patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com> |
| 14:30.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_call), (on_incoming_clip), |
| 14:30.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (on_call_progress_changed), (moko_dialer_init): Fix problem |
| 14:30.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: with displaying CLIP on incoming call. |
| 14:30.38 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_set_clip): Display |
| 14:30.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: "Unknown number" if number is NULL (CLIR). |
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| 14:40.46 | emdete | if i reset the gsm-chip with `echo 1>/sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/reset` do i always get an 'AT-Command Interpreter ready' response after that? |
| 14:41.27 | gmaxwell | I was told the reset file did nothing. |
| 14:41.45 | emdete | gmaxwell: cool... |
| 14:42.45 | emdete | so only a powerdown/up will issue that message? |
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| 14:56.31 | Henryk | actually event the power_on is only soft power-on and -off :-) |
| 14:56.37 | Henryk | s/event/even/ |
| 14:56.46 | ScaredyCat | AT@POFF |
| 14:57.00 | SpeedEvil | its not power off |
| 14:57.11 | SpeedEvil | power_on is only soft-power on on the 0-1 edge |
| 14:57.18 | zash` | shutdown -hP now! |
| 14:57.42 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil, and the 1-0 edge does nothing? |
| 14:57.57 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 14:58.03 | SpeedEvil | (as I understand it) |
| 15:00.31 | SpeedEvil | I may in fact be wrong. |
| 15:00.44 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I think I remember. |
| 15:00.54 | SpeedEvil | the 1-0 edge does nothing - to the modem |
| 15:01.10 | SpeedEvil | however - in the 0 state - the serial port is not connected to the modem, but the debug port |
| 15:01.20 | Bernte | I have full unloaded the battery of my Neo, and now it does not want to charge, even if I put it on an USB cable. Any hints? |
| 15:01.34 | SpeedEvil | How are you determining 'does not want to charge'? |
| 15:02.04 | Bernte | SpeedEvil: I left it on my USB cable over night, and it still will not switch on. |
| 15:02.36 | Henryk | Bernte: remove usb cable an battery, wait a minute, reseat battery, connect usb to neo and laptop, wait something like 3 hours |
| 15:02.45 | SpeedEvil | You mean you've unplugged the USB connector, removed the battery for several minutes, replaced the battery, and then left it for several hours without touching any buttons? |
| 15:02.54 | Bernte | Henryk: thanks, I will try that. |
| 15:03.15 | Bernte | SpeedEvil: I had not removed the battery for some minutes, I assume that was the fault. |
| 15:03.46 | SpeedEvil | Bernte: the problem is that the charging current can almost exactly match the dischatging current in the worst cae. |
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| 15:11.26 | Bernte | SpeedEvil: I read something about that, but had hoped that having the phone switched off will charge it enough eventually, until I can switch in on an enable Fast charge with 500mA |
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| 15:22.40 | munga | I've a general question: I'd like to buy the GTA02 in december, but I'm not quite sure how much is going to cost me in europe. I live in france. If I order it over the internet, how much of taxes and fees I'm going to pay ? I guess few of the european developer already got into this business... |
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| 15:28.13 | ScaredyCat | munga: it depends if they ship from the usa again... if they do, it'll be expensive :( |
| 15:28.36 | cjb_ie | we'll see how low the dollar goes... |
| 15:28.50 | ScaredyCat | there are groups who buy together, then at least they only pay 1 shipping cost |
| 15:28.58 | swede | Problems with the mokomakefile, log is here http://www.pastebin.ca/731585 |
| 15:28.59 | ScaredyCat | can it get lower ? :) |
| 15:29.22 | munga | ScaredyCat: how expensive ? my question was more about import taxes ... are there any ? how does it work ? |
| 15:30.05 | ozarka | munga: IANAE... but there was a thread about this on the mailing list. |
| 15:30.15 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 15:30.15 | munga | As a side question... are they going to sell it in europe as well ? I've seen a lot of EU developers... did everybody travelled to the US to get their box ? |
| 15:30.24 | ScaredyCat | some details on costs in the last colum |
| 15:30.25 | ScaredyCat | n |
| 15:30.37 | ozarka | I think it was in Aug and it had a subject like "Shipment refused" |
| 15:30.41 | ScaredyCat | no, we had them shipped to europe |
| 15:30.54 | mwester | swede: Line 295 of your pastebin |
| 15:30.59 | ScaredyCat | mine cost $100 + 85 EUR in taxes |
| 15:31.36 | munga | ScaredyCat: OUCH ! better to get over there to get it in person ... almost :) |
| 15:31.44 | ozarka | munga: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/008708.html |
| 15:32.00 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I'm pretty sure you can get cheap flights to the usa around Christmas :) |
| 15:32.14 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8545 Interesting OM device. (potentially to put it on that is) |
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| 15:33.19 | swede | mwester: Ok, thanks! |
| 15:34.32 | DukeOfURL | is there a mashup with the neo and gumstix devices? |
| 15:35.04 | munga | ozarka: thanks ... not really a good news ... :( |
| 15:35.05 | Henryk | swede: line 299 tells you what to do |
| 15:35.33 | abraxa_ | DukeOfURL: Mashup? |
| 15:36.05 | ozarka | munga: It's a business opportunity. Import a bunch and seel them out of the trunk of your car. |
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| 15:36.39 | DukeOfURL | I saw a photo of a gumstix attached to a Neo. lost the URL. what's that project about? |
| 15:37.21 | abraxa_ | DukeOfURL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/1513324894/ ? |
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| 15:38.04 | Henryk | not attached, no. but on the same table |
| 15:41.58 | swede | Henryk: Thanks! |
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| 15:46.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3142 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/openmoko-dialer ltmain.sh): |
| 15:46.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * data/openmoko-dialer: Add keypad style |
| 15:46.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * ltmain.sh: Remove from SVN |
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| 15:52.40 | slavik | gta02 is the one with wifi, right? |
| 15:52.51 | Mek | yes |
| 15:53.07 | slavik | arrg, why do I have to wait? |
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| 15:59.24 | viq | slavik: you don't, you just need to travel in time ;) |
| 15:59.30 | _diego__ | couse u want wifi? ^^ |
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| 16:00.14 | krLun | hola! |
| 16:01.16 | slavik | yes |
| 16:01.32 | slavik | kismet would be awesome on the phone |
| 16:01.36 | slavik | :) |
| 16:02.14 | krLun | whats up |
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| 16:06.54 | pmax | phone calls would be awesome on the phone :P |
| 16:07.48 | ScaredyCat | install qtopia then :) |
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| 16:09.51 | ozarka | ScaredyCat: I only get one qtopia call before it loses the network. :-( |
| 16:10.00 | ozarka | Anybody have better luck with this? |
| 16:10.28 | ScaredyCat | testig |
| 16:10.46 | ScaredyCat | 1 |
| 16:10.52 | ozarka | 2 |
| 16:11.23 | ScaredyCat | 2 |
| 16:11.29 | ScaredyCat | still on net |
| 16:11.42 | ScaredyCat | 3 |
| 16:11.59 | ScaredyCat | which version are you using ? |
| 16:12.29 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3143 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta02-core.patch lis302dl.patch): fix non-fatal kernel oops during gta02 boot (spi bus number 0 was used twice) |
| 16:12.35 | ozarka | ScaredyCat: of qtopia? |
| 16:12.39 | ScaredyCat | a |
| 16:12.41 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 16:13.00 | ozarka | I don't know. I only saw the one set of binaries. |
| 16:13.58 | ozarka | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php |
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| 16:14.31 | ozarka | But now I see that some dude named ScaredyCat is hosting newer unofficial qtopia images according to the wiki. |
| 16:15.00 | ScaredyCat | and also according to ScaredyCat ^^ :) |
| 16:15.03 | ozarka | So I wonder what this ScaredyCat person changed. Anybody know? |
| 16:15.43 | ScaredyCat | I added timezones (were missing + a fudge fix for the audio) |
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| 16:16.15 | ozarka | The weird thing is I never had problems with the audio, though I heard it was broken. |
| 16:16.16 | ScaredyCat | there are newer openmoko images there too |
| 16:16.23 | ozarka | Are you running both on the same device? |
| 16:16.30 | pmax | it just doesn't seem to do anything |
| 16:16.32 | ScaredyCat | no ozarka |
| 16:16.32 | ozarka | I was just flashing my kernel and rootfs |
| 16:16.36 | pmax | though /dev/ttyACM0 is registered |
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| 16:18.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3144 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/lis302dl.patch: make lis302dl apply again (fallout from last commit, sorry) |
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| 16:29.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3146 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtkrc): * data/gtkrc: Correct ComboBox style |
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| 16:53.39 | gamin | still looking for a combination of roofs & uImage that let me make calls with audio - any tips? |
| 16:55.09 | ScaredyCat | openmoko image? |
| 16:55.35 | gamin | tried both, qtopia and openmoko |
| 16:55.49 | gamin | is your last working? |
| 16:56.01 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/OpenMoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071010-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 && http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r3-fic-gta01.bin |
| 16:56.24 | ScaredyCat | haven't tested inbound calls since I'm currently roaming... |
| 16:57.52 | ScaredyCat | just make sure you turn off suspend... |
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| 16:57.59 | ScaredyCat | that breaks stuff :) |
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| 16:59.00 | gamin | have that uImage installed, is http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/qtopia-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 the same as your above mentioned? |
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| 17:01.23 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 17:02.17 | thomasgruebler | would it be possible to connect a OV7610 or OV7110 camera ic to the neo? it uses highspeed i2c. |
| 17:02.36 | thomasgruebler | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmxhaard.free.fr%2Fspca50x%2FDoc%2FOmnivision%2Fov7610ds.pdf&ei=oAUNR4-KAaTGnAPU0L3kAQ&usg=AFQjCNG8HhZ84EDaXoXX2SsB1ju336NHjQ&sig2=wW--zV187dbJHDtQTrV8WQ |
| 17:03.20 | ScaredyCat | that's a symlink gamin - so unless you downloaded it in the last 30 mins - no... |
| 17:03.36 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 17:03.38 | ScaredyCat | even |
| 17:03.41 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 17:03.59 | ScaredyCat | that's a symlink gamin - so if you downloaded it in the last 30 mins - yes |
| 17:04.01 | gamin | that's what I thought... |
| 17:04.21 | gamin | downloaded it 60min ago |
| 17:04.23 | gamin | lol |
| 17:05.26 | CVirus | thomasgruebler: I dunno about their plans but I guess you should add this to the wishlist on the wiki |
| 17:05.38 | thomasgruebler | ok |
| 17:05.44 | ScaredyCat | mmmm..... |
| 17:05.55 | CVirus | thomasgruebler: this looks pretty good though .. try to raise the issue again when someone from FIC s around |
| 17:05.57 | CVirus | is* |
| 17:06.02 | gamin | its anyway bricked now, so I need to reflash either way |
| 17:06.04 | CVirus | the core developers I mean |
| 17:06.18 | thomasgruebler | ok |
| 17:06.30 | thomasgruebler | it would be good for the 2nd camera i think. |
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| 17:07.18 | gamin | 2nd camera? |
| 17:07.21 | ScaredyCat | bricked ? |
| 17:07.28 | ScaredyCat | or just not working |
| 17:07.29 | gamin | not the u-boot |
| 17:07.37 | gamin | just not working anymore |
| 17:08.25 | gamin | tells me to unlock but doesn't react to anything, even after reboot - the button flash orange when pressed, but no ation |
| 17:08.29 | gamin | action even |
| 17:09.01 | thomasgruebler | i cannot find a camera secton on the wishlist. isthis true? |
| 17:10.01 | gamin | a cam would be nice for barcode reading and the like |
| 17:10.14 | thomasgruebler | yes |
| 17:10.25 | thomasgruebler | i found something for the 2nd cam |
| 17:10.32 | thomasgruebler | video conferences... |
| 17:11.04 | gamin | but gta02 wont even have a first cam or have I missed something? |
| 17:11.27 | thomasgruebler | no |
| 17:11.29 | thomasgruebler | it has none |
| 17:12.00 | thomasgruebler | i read because it would also have required a change of the case and problems with place |
| 17:12.13 | abraxa_ | ...which (just for the record) is a nice feature for business users btw |
| 17:12.50 | Writchie | what's that - the mms prevention feature? |
| 17:13.21 | thomasgruebler | no |
| 17:13.24 | DukeOfURL | BTW, my RAZR (W/ camera) was confiscated by the security folks at a US govt building. Employers re starting this as well. |
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| 17:13.51 | krLun | DukeOfURL: why? |
| 17:13.51 | DukeOfURL | also confiscated was my 2GB mem stick |
| 17:14.07 | thomasgruebler | but actual there are NO new mobiles without a camera. and really no bussines phones without a cam |
| 17:14.13 | ScaredyCat | wat you need is a camera phone that comes a part, perhaps converting into a gun or somehting |
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| 17:14.16 | Writchie | and they are going to let you in with a grps device? |
| 17:14.29 | abraxa_ | thomasgruebler: The Neo would be perfect to fill that void |
| 17:14.32 | Writchie | s/grps/gprs |
| 17:14.41 | ScaredyCat | gprs is easily blocked |
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| 17:16.23 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:16.40 | DukeOfURL | krLun: the US govt works in mysterious ways. this was a court house. I guess they don't want anyone photographing public documents :-) |
| 17:17.48 | thomasgruebler | is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera#Materials ok how i wrote it? |
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| 17:19.49 | u_l-lap | DukeOfURL: we it is clear -- the time has come to not be employed or enter government buildings |
| 17:19.53 | u_l-lap | s/we/well/ |
| 17:19.59 | u_l-lap | apt: bad apt |
| 17:20.00 | apt | Bad apt, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 17:20.00 | abraxa_ | thomasgruebler: Adding a link to the camera module(s) would be good |
| 17:20.08 | thomasgruebler | o yes |
| 17:22.22 | thomasgruebler | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera#Materials |
| 17:22.23 | thomasgruebler | so |
| 17:22.40 | mwester | DukeOfURL: I had to leave my RAZR with a security guard at a automobile manufacturing plant in Detroit no long ago. I was a little surprised to actually get it back! |
| 17:23.40 | mwester | So I now carry three cell phones with me: my RAZR (for when I meet with Motorola), my TREO (my normal phone), and an ancient old dumb Nokia with no camera for those places that do not permit them. |
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| 17:24.10 | thomasgruebler | another thing. dimming the lcd when you put it to your ear or in the dark |
| 17:24.45 | thomasgruebler | when a LED is switched off, it can be uses like an light changing resitor |
| 17:25.00 | thomasgruebler | of course it's not so goog but's possible |
| 17:26.52 | gamin | I like the adjective "goog" - kind of Freudian mishap... ;) |
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| 17:28.25 | krLun | isn't it a bit late to add in wishlist stuff to the GTA02 if the hw was finalized in september? |
| 17:28.42 | krLun | like a camera |
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| 17:30.36 | thomasgruebler | krLun: i added it to the cases wishlist. where a camera section is. and there are things that are not added in gta02 |
| 17:30.41 | thomasgruebler | so i'm not the only one |
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| 17:33.03 | krLun | are there any news on that new phone, to be released sometime 2008 available on the wiki? |
| 17:33.28 | krLun | it looked a lot more like a traditional phone, like the greenphone, only back |
| 17:33.30 | krLun | black* |
| 17:33.43 | cjb_ie | road? |
| 17:33.50 | krLun | road? |
| 17:33.56 | cjb_ie | *ducks* |
| 17:34.36 | cjb_ie | road s101 |
| 17:35.43 | krLun | i dont know what its name is, i can't even find the URL where I read about it.. but i _think_ it was part of an interview with on of the FIC guys |
| 17:35.56 | krLun | and there was a picture on this guys laptop, shoping the Neo |
| 17:36.07 | krLun | showing* |
| 17:36.20 | krLun | both GTA01 and GTA02 .. aswell as the new phone, to be released 2008 |
| 17:36.44 | Vegar | heh |
| 17:37.08 | krLun | anyone know what im talking about? it is also possible that it was just a dream |
| 17:37.09 | krLun | :) |
| 17:37.11 | Vegar | if you had watched the video the picture belonged to, you'd know that the picture of the new phone was just a mock-up |
| 17:37.33 | Vegar | and he also said that they don't know what that new thing is gonna be yet |
| 17:37.39 | krLun | oh, ok |
| 17:37.48 | krLun | you dont happen to have the url, do you? |
| 17:37.53 | krLun | never had time to watch it last time |
| 17:38.04 | Vegar | http://blip.tv/file/407837 |
| 17:39.57 | gamin | ScaredyCat: the latest qtopia image doesn't answer calls... |
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| 17:41.34 | krLun | thanks Vegar |
| 17:41.34 | kristian-m | seems to be new in october |
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| 18:01.11 | gi-el | anyone know what the problem is when uboot crashes when trying to load an image off SD? |
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| 18:08.04 | guri | hello. please excuse a possible complete n00b question....but, I am having trouble getting dfu-util on my Ubuntu laptop :( |
| 18:09.31 | gi-el | and why is qtopia phone unworkably slow? |
| 18:09.32 | mwester | that seems more of a statement than a question, guri |
| 18:09.36 | guri | so far I have a lovely plastic box full of bits , some foam protection and a neo1973 that shows me a bootloader and nothing more |
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| 18:10.18 | mwester | guri: perhaps if you were a bit more specific on the dfu-util issue? |
| 18:10.41 | guri | mwester, true....rephrase: I have downloaded dfu-util src from SVN but for some reason I'm drawing a blank on installing/building. I've had a long day....so, building dfu-util on Ubuntu 7.04 |
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| 18:10.43 | guri | ? |
| 18:10.57 | gi-el | still |
| 18:10.59 | gi-el | more specific |
| 18:11.02 | gi-el | "drawing blank" |
| 18:11.11 | mwester | Is your question then on building it? or are you encountering build errors? |
| 18:11.32 | mwester | Does the pre-built binary on the build server work? |
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| 18:11.42 | guri | In the directory to which I svn'd. I type ./autogen.sh |
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| 18:12.00 | guri | mwester, now, that would help.....I couldn't find it easily from the link on the Wiki |
| 18:12.12 | ScaredyCat | do you *need* to build it yourself ? |
| 18:12.13 | gi-el | argh |
| 18:12.23 | guri | sorry about this. |
| 18:12.26 | gi-el | is anyone running qtopia phone at a workable speed? |
| 18:12.30 | linux_manju | Hi All I am planning to buy an motoming .. Which openmoko wiki says is supported... |
| 18:12.38 | viq | 20 km/h? ;) |
| 18:12.44 | linux_manju | Is there a How to which tells me how to install it? |
| 18:12.55 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: from touching a number in the dialer until the digit appears is like 10 secs |
| 18:12.59 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: totally unworkable |
| 18:13.10 | ScaredyCat | guri: I have a dfu built here : http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 18:13.17 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: did you do anything special? i just copied to opt dir over to an SD card |
| 18:13.21 | mwester | guri: you should be able to download the pre-built dfu-util from the same place you get the images |
| 18:13.22 | ScaredyCat | wich image are you using ? |
| 18:13.35 | mwester | guri: But use what ScaredyCat posted - his is better. |
| 18:13.41 | gi-el | i've booted your openmoko image from 8 oct |
| 18:13.52 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/dfu-util |
| 18:13.54 | gi-el | i tried booting from SD but that seems to crash the bootloader |
| 18:13.57 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
| 18:14.08 | guri | ScaredyCat, thanks. will try that. /home/guri/Desktop/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 18:14.10 | ScaredyCat | I'm using th 10th image with no problems.. |
| 18:14.19 | ScaredyCat | how old is your uboot gi-el? |
| 18:14.25 | gi-el | very recent |
| 18:14.35 | guri | ok. back in a bit...I'll try the binary ;) |
| 18:14.37 | guri | thanks a lot guys |
| 18:14.42 | ScaredyCat | ok, so no need to nand erase... |
| 18:14.47 | gi-el | no |
| 18:15.02 | gi-el | i didn't want to flash qtopia, so i'm running it off SD |
| 18:15.13 | gi-el | after booted with an openmoko image |
| 18:15.16 | ScaredyCat | oh... |
| 18:15.23 | ScaredyCat | well, did you stop x ? |
| 18:15.26 | gi-el | sure |
| 18:15.34 | gi-el | i mean, it seems to work allright, just terribly slow |
| 18:15.43 | ScaredyCat | because they'll fight over the display |
| 18:15.51 | ScaredyCat | which will make it slow |
| 18:16.03 | ScaredyCat | I've not tried from sd tbh |
| 18:16.12 | gi-el | i did stop x |
| 18:16.19 | gi-el | mwester: confirmed :) |
| 18:16.24 | ScaredyCat | but why not flash it anyway, it's not as if you can't go back to om |
| 18:16.36 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: yeah, i first wanted to try this |
| 18:16.49 | ScaredyCat | fairy nuff :) |
| 18:16.50 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: i just like to be able to hack in OM and show off qtopia from time to time |
| 18:16.59 | gi-el | latest uboot is flakey btw |
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| 18:17.10 | gi-el | once every three times or so it hangs at the splash screen |
| 18:17.16 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 18:20.09 | gi-el | make that, every time i try to boot without usb cable inserted |
| 18:20.10 | guri | Um. Can't believe I was *such* a noob. Thanks a lot for helping out. dfu-util now done.....now to try my 1st flash (I'll probably be back) |
| 18:20.49 | guri | any advice on that point? |
| 18:21.12 | ScaredyCat | be careful |
| 18:21.14 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 18:21.24 | ScaredyCat | only do u-boot if you really really need to |
| 18:21.29 | gi-el | hm, maybe it's fixed in latest uboot, this one is two days old already |
| 18:21.53 | guri | ScaredyCat, thanks! :) .....I've been flashing devices OTA.....but never one of "my own"....and...so. cool. |
| 18:22.32 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 18:22.50 | gi-el | hm, this is a sept 17 uboot |
| 18:23.05 | ScaredyCat | I'm using a virgin uk sim in mine... and I'm currently roaming in holland |
| 18:23.14 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: where y'at? |
| 18:23.34 | guri | ScaredyCat, thanks to work I can get access to pretty much any Orange Europe SIM ;).....just takes time |
| 18:23.53 | guri | ok, brb |
| 18:23.54 | ScaredyCat | gi-el: Lelystad |
| 18:24.09 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: ah, not near eindhoven :) |
| 18:24.17 | gi-el | nor really near amsterdam |
| 18:24.25 | gi-el | (the two places i frequent most) |
| 18:24.32 | ScaredyCat | well, in .nl nowhere is rally that far away |
| 18:24.41 | ScaredyCat | s/rally/really/ |
| 18:24.42 | gi-el | trye |
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| 18:24.50 | gamin | guri: which image are you flashing? |
| 18:25.10 | gi-el | tr/[a-z]/[A-Z]/ |
| 18:25.17 | gi-el | hm, no such luck :) |
| 18:25.53 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: what uboot are you running? |
| 18:25.57 | ScaredyCat | ok, pizza is here! bbl |
| 18:26.17 | ScaredyCat | can't remember... not that recent |
| 18:26.32 | ScaredyCat | august.... ? |
| 18:26.34 | ScaredyCat | maybe.. |
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| 18:26.40 | gi-el | yeah, the august one i tried was better |
| 18:26.40 | ScaredyCat | I'll look after din dins |
| 18:26.45 | gi-el | time to file some bug reports |
| 18:29.33 | thomasgruebler | good night |
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| 18:30.26 | gi-el | ah |
| 18:30.27 | gi-el | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=887 |
| 18:30.42 | gi-el | and http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=799 |
| 18:30.46 | gi-el | issues already known |
| 18:30.56 | gi-el | time for august uboot |
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| 18:37.51 | guri_afk | wow. had to set --device OK but Kernel now flashing |
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| 18:38.13 | guri_afk | state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present |
| 18:38.13 | guri_afk | Done! |
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| 18:42.08 | gamin | guri_afk: can you make calls? |
| 18:43.56 | guri_afk | gamin, just got Kernel, trying FS now.....got a 2 year old to wrabgl |
| 18:44.00 | guri_afk | wrangle* |
| 18:44.47 | gamin | any knowledge about when orange France will get reasonable data contracts / prices? |
| 18:45.21 | guri | gamin, heh. probably never :( |
| 18:45.33 | gamin | orange just recently changed to this 20-minute chunk lunacy... |
| 18:45.49 | guri | as i work for them I don't pay ;) |
| 18:46.07 | SpeedEvil | gamin: you pay per minute? |
| 18:46.08 | gamin | I'll move over to italy :-p |
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| 18:46.28 | gamin | SpeedEvil: per minimum 20 minute chunks |
| 18:46.37 | gamin | otherwise data cards only here in france |
| 18:46.40 | SpeedEvil | Owie. |
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| 18:47.13 | gamin | and for unlimited data for 70EUR/month you need to have proof of being a business! |
| 18:47.24 | gamin | ask guri :-) |
| 18:47.55 | guri | errr......quick idiot question; FS 1st or Kernel 1st? |
| 18:48.26 | SpeedEvil | Here (UK) I'm on .7p/Kb, up to 1 pound, at which it caps - per day. |
| 18:48.29 | SpeedEvil | guri: matters not |
| 18:48.33 | guri | guri@daptop:~/Desktop$ sudo ./dfu-util --device 0x1457:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 18:48.33 | guri | dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 18:48.33 | guri | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 18:48.33 | guri | Opening USB Device 0x1457:0x5119... |
| 18:48.33 | guri | Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... |
| 18:48.35 | guri | Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 |
| 18:48.37 | guri | Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... |
| 18:48.39 | guri | Resetting USB... |
| 18:48.41 | guri | Opening USB Device... |
| 18:48.45 | guri | No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs" |
| 18:48.47 | guri | (sorry) |
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| 18:50.00 | guri | my last bill (which I don't pay ;) was 1200 pounds for the month :O |
| 18:50.14 | guri | without roaming |
| 18:50.33 | guri | Anyway......why is my neo now freaking out on me.....or is it my laptop? |
| 18:51.18 | gamin | guri: I did this without the --device switch; do you have more than one dfu device on your usb ports? |
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| 18:51.54 | guri | gamin, for some reason --list reports another USB device....I suspect it is the in-built card reader :( |
| 18:52.09 | guri | but no, nothing else attached |
| 18:52.52 | guri | Found Runtime: [0x0a5c:0x2101] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 18:53.00 | guri | can i disable it somehow?.... |
| 18:53.19 | gamin | mine is UNDEFINED too |
| 18:53.31 | gamin | so maybe this is the phone? |
| 18:53.39 | guri | nope......hold on.... |
| 18:54.15 | guri | Found Runtime: [0x0a5c:0x2101] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 18:54.15 | guri | Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 18:54.20 | guri | second is phone :( |
| 18:54.55 | ozarka | I always have to use the -device switch with dfu |
| 18:54.57 | ozarka | No idea why |
| 18:55.30 | guri | If I hit "Boot" from the (now Penguin'd) Bootmenu I get whole load of output and then it switches off |
| 18:55.43 | krLun | have it been decided what gps chipset to use in gta02 yet? |
| 18:55.44 | gamin | guri: have you already flashed the uImage? |
| 18:55.50 | krLun | or is it still hammerhead |
| 18:55.54 | gi-el | are you root? |
| 18:55.59 | SpeedEvil | krLun: it's not been publically released if decided. |
| 18:56.17 | guri | gamin, i did uImage first, then got errors on FS |
| 18:56.38 | krLun | SpeedEvil, so, do you know if there are any viable candidates? |
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| 18:56.46 | SpeedEvil | krLun: I don't. |
| 18:56.57 | guri | ok. i'm gonna sanity check this a 5th time...brb |
| 18:57.00 | gamin | try 5 instead of rootfs |
| 18:57.02 | krLun | so as far as one can tell, the hammerhead is still #1 |
| 18:57.36 | SpeedEvil | krLun: I've been doing work on reverse entgineering the hammerhead. But it kinda got pushed down the stack when it was announced that there may only be 3K or so phones with it. |
| 18:57.58 | DukeOfURL | gpsd and gpspipe seem to start successfully. is the gllin library stubbed out? |
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| 18:59.15 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: those 3k being GTA01? |
| 18:59.25 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:59.26 | krLun | i thought the whole point with neo was to not having to reverse engineer anything :) |
| 18:59.27 | SpeedEvil | (guess) |
| 18:59.48 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: gpspipe and gpsd are not the GPS |
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| 19:00.01 | SpeedEvil | gpsd and gpspipe connect to the GPS |
| 19:00.07 | guri | :( now whichever i try (kernel or image) I get the No such Alternate Setting: error |
| 19:00.19 | SpeedEvil | which in this case would be the gllin binary. (or a bluetooth GPS, or ...) |
| 19:00.39 | guri | sorry gamin what was that about "5"? |
| 19:00.44 | DukeOfURL | so is gllin stubbed out? |
| 19:01.02 | gamin | instead of -a rootfs use -a 5 |
| 19:01.10 | guri | okeydoke |
| 19:01.18 | krLun | why not get a chipset like Sirf-III ? |
| 19:01.40 | gamin | guri: using 1 will brick your phone... |
| 19:02.05 | gamin | krLun: maybe price or pcb layout |
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| 19:02.37 | SpeedEvil | krLun: price mainly - in principle the HH can be more flexible than |
| 19:02.42 | SpeedEvil | the SiRF-III |
| 19:02.45 | guri | gamin, seems to be working!!!!......i have a debug board ;) |
| 19:02.50 | ckuethe | krLun: hell npo |
| 19:02.52 | ckuethe | no |
| 19:02.55 | ckuethe | itrax03 |
| 19:03.00 | ckuethe | antaris4 |
| 19:03.12 | krLun | is that bad? |
| 19:03.12 | gamin | guri: you owe me 10GB of free data on orange ;-) |
| 19:03.28 | ckuethe | sirf3 is adequate for some things |
| 19:03.35 | guri | gamin, i need to urinate so badly i'll agree to anything right now......brb |
| 19:03.36 | guri | :) |
| 19:03.46 | SpeedEvil | It's adequate for most things, yes. |
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| 19:03.59 | krLun | what isn't it suited for? |
| 19:04.04 | ckuethe | last time i took a sirf3, antaris4, itrax03 and lassen-iq for a walk, the itrax and antaris are far more stable |
| 19:04.07 | SpeedEvil | In principle, the HH can do interesting stuff that the SIRF can't. |
| 19:04.20 | ckuethe | mostly since you get really raw data from HH |
| 19:04.30 | SpeedEvil | For example, with the SiRF, you are basically stuck with the stock algorithm. |
| 19:04.41 | ckuethe | unless you want to pay them for the carrier phase firmware |
| 19:04.55 | SpeedEvil | With the HH, you can (in principle) trim it as you wish. |
| 19:05.39 | tuukkah | hey guys, do we have any kind of voip solution on the phone yet? |
| 19:05.41 | SpeedEvil | And do stuff like accurate post-correction of logged tracks to get sub-meter corrections. |
| 19:05.42 | Vegar | it'd be interesting to know which GPS chips the 02 might have |
| 19:05.43 | krLun | is this stock algorithm really that bad? (i don't really know how they work .. i've just seen a lot of people using sirf3 for hobby uC projects) |
| 19:05.45 | guri | gamin, i have a french SIM with data only hanging around somewhere....I can lend you it for a bit maybe ;) |
| 19:05.45 | Vegar | -s |
| 19:06.00 | ckuethe | krLun: yes |
| 19:06.06 | ckuethe | it's designed to be fast, not accurate |
| 19:06.12 | gamin | guri: no question, yes!! |
| 19:06.12 | SpeedEvil | krLun: it's not that bad - the point is that a standalone GPS can onl have the information it knows. |
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| 19:06.56 | krLun | ckuethe, ok, and HH is .. both fast and accurate? :) |
| 19:07.01 | SpeedEvil | krLun: With a 'dumb' GPS, with the computations done on the CPU, it can be more accurate, as it knows all the CPU can know. |
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| 19:07.08 | gamin | guri: what do I have to do ? :) |
| 19:07.09 | SpeedEvil | krLun: in principle that is. |
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| 19:07.16 | SpeedEvil | krLun: See ... |
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| 19:08.00 | krLun | i read that you can use the internet to get higher accuracy of your gps, differential gps, or whatever it is called.. is that what you mean by "knowing more"? |
| 19:08.08 | gamin | actually the sound of the speakers is amazingly good... |
| 19:08.23 | SpeedEvil | krLun: yes |
| 19:08.29 | SpeedEvil | krLun: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:A-GPS |
| 19:08.38 | SpeedEvil | krLun: and other things. |
| 19:09.11 | SpeedEvil | krLun: in principle, you can do lots better than conventional DGPS solutions - as you can generate very local corrections, rather than relying on global data. |
| 19:09.18 | krLun | however, wont moving calculations away from the asic put extra load on the main cpu? is the difference in accuracy really that big? (asic vs cpu+differential gps)? |
| 19:09.24 | gamin | how comes that all the applets from the menubar vanish? |
| 19:09.26 | SpeedEvil | krLun: not really. |
| 19:09.38 | SpeedEvil | krLun: the maths is not that hard. |
| 19:09.49 | ljp | gi-el: if you run Qtopia from SD, you should edit /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf and take out the [MountPoint0] entry, otherwise it might try to scan your whole system for Documents |
| 19:09.52 | gamin | reboot doesn't bring them back. only battery out |
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| 19:10.27 | swede | Problems running mokomakefile. Log is here http://www.pastebin.ca/731585 and Package texinfo - 4.11-1.fc7.x86_64 is already installed. |
| 19:10.31 | guri | I have A-GPS on my HTC Kaiser....works good but it's WM6 after all |
| 19:11.00 | krLun | yeah, it seems like a cool chipset |
| 19:11.07 | krLun | and i guess, if it can be reversed, it would be perfect? |
| 19:11.22 | gi-el | ljp: nice, thanks |
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| 19:11.31 | gi-el | ljp: will try later |
| 19:12.22 | gi-el | gamin: that's because of flakey gsmd, the appletbar communicates with it for the gsm signal strength and dies sometimes doing so |
| 19:12.25 | SpeedEvil | krLun: yes - at the stage we are at, with the reverse engineering, we can get positions to within a thousand Km or so after 15 min or so. This should impreove :) |
| 19:12.41 | krLun | hehe |
| 19:12.48 | krLun | thats awesome accuracy |
| 19:12.48 | SpeedEvil | krLun: but it's slightly stalled, due to the uncertatinty. |
| 19:12.54 | krLun | yeah, i recon |
| 19:13.02 | DukeOfURL | ok, got it. the interface between gpsd and gllin is /dev/ttyX |
| 19:13.21 | DukeOfURL | so even though gllin is missing, gpsd starts ok |
| 19:13.24 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: gpsd reads from any NMEA GPS |
| 19:13.39 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: or none - GLLIN provides NMEA data to it. |
| 19:13.51 | SpeedEvil | gllin |
| 19:14.11 | DukeOfURL | through the serial port... |
| 19:14.19 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 19:14.22 | gamin | is there any app that displays photos in the feeds? |
| 19:14.23 | SpeedEvil | Through a named pipe |
| 19:14.42 | SpeedEvil | gamin: there is one installed - at least in OM2007.1 |
| 19:14.49 | DukeOfURL | and that is /dev/ttySACx? |
| 19:14.54 | SpeedEvil | it's a drawing program, but can also view photos |
| 19:14.57 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: no |
| 19:15.09 | gamin | SpeedEvil: do you know the name? |
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| 19:15.11 | krLun | SpeedEvil, when you say getting the raw data from the HH, what do you mean? i guess the "rawest" data would be the time sent by each satellite? and then use least squares method to calculate the best fit / position? |
| 19:15.17 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: /dev/ttySAC0 is the physical serial port. The gllin software does not is software |
| 19:15.31 | SpeedEvil | krLun: sort-of, it's not quite that bare. |
| 19:15.51 | SpeedEvil | krLun: basically thte HH has the absolute minimum smarts needed to avoid having to have the CPU doing hard-real-time. |
| 19:16.28 | krLun | ok |
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| 19:16.51 | krLun | man, its gonna be so cool to have gps in your phone |
| 19:16.54 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: the gllin binary opens /dev/ttySAC1 and talks wierd proprietory protocols and then computes the position from the data it gets, and outputs NMEA data over a named pipe |
| 19:17.05 | krLun | the first app im gonna make is a logger of all places i go during the day :) |
| 19:17.24 | DukeOfURL | so hammerhead -> /dev/ttySAC1 -> gllin -> pipe -> gpsd <-> gpspipe |
| 19:17.40 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: yes |
| 19:17.46 | DukeOfURL | thanks |
| 19:18.01 | krLun | and you try to interpret the stuff in ttySAC1 SpeedEvil? |
| 19:18.03 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead/Protocol contains some details of the protocol. |
| 19:18.05 | guri | I have just managed to flash kernel and fs as mentioned before, but now when I get to uBoot and try to "boot" I get some output and then a power off.......insufficient battery power? |
| 19:18.07 | SpeedEvil | krLun: basically |
| 19:18.16 | krLun | must be difficult |
| 19:18.37 | SpeedEvil | There are some things that are of use. |
| 19:18.57 | SpeedEvil | For example, we can extract the peak signal strength of a satellite, and its doppler. |
| 19:19.03 | krLun | wouldn't it be easier to bribe someone at HH to give us the docs? |
| 19:19.04 | krLun | :) |
| 19:19.25 | SpeedEvil | But that's about it. |
| 19:19.31 | SpeedEvil | krLun: donations for bribes eagerly accepted :) |
| 19:19.37 | krLun | hehe |
| 19:19.47 | krLun | so you have some kind of general understanding of the structure of the protocol then? |
| 19:19.55 | gi-el | guri: maybe you should try to clear out the rootfs parition before flashing |
| 19:19.56 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 19:20.02 | SpeedEvil | krLun: very general |
| 19:20.04 | gi-el | guri: as mentioned |
| 19:20.06 | DukeOfURL | what was the discussion ast week about overrun on deceleration? |
| 19:20.20 | gi-el | guri: i think in the page about flashing |
| 19:20.25 | guri | i'll give anything a go right now. |
| 19:20.38 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: I'm unsure that it's real - I need to have a proper test with the antenna well sited. |
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| 19:20.43 | gi-el | guri: 'cause i think you have old uboot, which needs you to clear the rootfs partition by hand |
| 19:20.52 | guri | time to concentrate (and eat etc). sorry, if I n00bed you out |
| 19:21.05 | guri | gi-el, thanks a lot. i think i will start from scratch |
| 19:21.10 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: I have had occasional overruns by 40m or so on (sedate) decelleration down from 40MPH to 0. |
| 19:21.30 | DukeOfURL | with what gps device? |
| 19:21.31 | guri | as i had so many hassles just getting my laptop sorted out to connect |
| 19:21.37 | guri | thanks |
| 19:21.37 | gi-el | guri: try to read this _carefully_ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 19:22.13 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, you dont need enough to bribe him, you need enough to blackmail him ^-^ |
| 19:22.13 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: neo |
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| 19:23.26 | krLun | they have to be aware that you are trying to reverse engineer it.. whats the point in holding the datasheets back :( GNU always prevails |
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| 19:26.20 | SpeedEvil | http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.21256788322896&lon=-3.140251073372898&zoom=16&layers=B0T |
| 19:26.25 | SpeedEvil | Now click 'edit' |
| 19:26.45 | SpeedEvil | Now go down to the bottom of the flash editor, and click the third along button - show gps traces |
| 19:27.12 | SpeedEvil | the one which zooms out a long way past the others is the neo. (it should be noted that it doesn't often do this) |
| 19:27.34 | SpeedEvil | Oops - sorry - that probably requires a login |
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| 19:30.45 | krLun | the page doesn't seem to work well with Opera :) |
| 19:30.51 | krLun | i get half the map |
| 19:31.11 | SpeedEvil | That's a problem with the server at the moment |
| 19:31.31 | DukeOfURL | so why aren't you living in Stirling? ;-) |
| 19:31.43 | krLun | anyway, since you seem to know a lot about the hardware.. do you know if the neo has pinouts so i can connect extra stuff on the circuit? like a VCC / GND + some GPIO ports |
| 19:31.46 | gamin | openmoko does not have the tap and hold event? |
| 19:32.41 | SpeedEvil | krLun: Search for debug pinout on the wiki |
| 19:32.58 | SpeedEvil | No VCC easily accessible annoyingly. |
| 19:33.16 | mwester | But the full i2c bus is on the debug connnector |
| 19:33.22 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 19:33.25 | SpeedEvil | And SPI |
| 19:33.47 | krLun | cool |
| 19:33.50 | SpeedEvil | And stuff. |
| 19:34.02 | krLun | cause i was thinking maybe i could add a mp3-decoder chipset |
| 19:34.07 | krLun | so that it would fit into the case |
| 19:34.12 | SpeedEvil | In principle. |
| 19:34.19 | SpeedEvil | In practice, there isn't much point. |
| 19:34.28 | SpeedEvil | As you've got to keep the CPU awake to feed it data |
| 19:34.38 | gamin | is links or lynx available on any feed? |
| 19:34.50 | krLun | maybe if i run the cpu in slow 12 mhz mode? |
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| 19:35.15 | krLun | i think an mp3 asic would lower power reqs a lot |
| 19:35.25 | SpeedEvil | krLun: it's unclear. |
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| 19:35.50 | SpeedEvil | krLun: I've got 8 hours equivalent mp3 playing out of it at 100Mhz |
| 19:35.56 | SpeedEvil | without much optimisation. |
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| 19:36.08 | krLun | hmm, okay, thats good |
| 19:36.13 | krLun | 8h is more than acceptable to me |
| 19:36.15 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: http://www.mauve.plus.com/osm.gif |
| 19:36.31 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: The outlier track is the neo - the others are other GPSs |
| 19:36.34 | bedboi | are you talking about PM? |
| 19:36.41 | bedboi | power management? |
| 19:36.46 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: yes |
| 19:36.49 | bedboi | cool |
| 19:36.52 | bedboi | 8 h? |
| 19:36.57 | bedboi | 8 is quite fine |
| 19:37.02 | bedboi | now i have like 2-3 h |
| 19:37.03 | SpeedEvil | 8h playing mp3. |
| 19:37.20 | krLun | do you have the gta01 or an early rev of gta02 SpeedEvil? |
| 19:37.20 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: without GSM on |
| 19:37.29 | SpeedEvil | that's 100Mhz mode - CPU underclocked to 100Mhz and voltage reduced a bit. |
| 19:37.45 | DukeOfURL | I didn't get module 'socket' with my build-package-python. Is there something else I should be building? |
| 19:37.45 | krLun | i thought the core voltage thingie wasn't implemented yet |
| 19:37.48 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: GSM on doesn't make much of a difference. |
| 19:37.53 | bedboi | ok |
| 19:38.00 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: so the click is reducing CPU speed |
| 19:38.01 | SpeedEvil | krLun: echo n >/sys/wherever |
| 19:38.12 | krLun | oh |
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| 19:38.25 | SpeedEvil | Core voltage annoyingly is _very_ coarse. |
| 19:38.35 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: so it should not be so difficult to write a PM daemon |
| 19:38.42 | SpeedEvil | .3V steps |
| 19:38.51 | bedboi | tweaking with voltage and cpu freq |
| 19:38.57 | krLun | man, i'm almost at the point where i wanna get a gta01 just to play with it.. but it makes more sense waiting for gta02 i guess. Im not really a hacker kinda type, though i'm not completely lost :) |
| 19:39.02 | SpeedEvil | so you have 1.5V - at which it's very flaky. 1.8V - at which it pretty much works, and 2.1V - nominal |
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| 19:52.34 | kristian-m | gamin i think links is available - but no lynx or links2 |
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| 20:01.23 | kristian-m | DukeOfURL you'll need python-netclient - what are you working on? *curious* |
| 20:03.34 | SpeedEvil | gamin: mtpaint |
| 20:03.53 | SpeedEvil | mtpaint -v *jpg |
| 20:03.54 | SpeedEvil | works |
| 20:03.55 | gamin | SpeedEvil: got gpe-gallery running now |
| 20:04.00 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 20:04.06 | gamin | needed just some pngs |
| 20:04.19 | gamin | like open.png, cancel.png |
| 20:04.31 | SpeedEvil | mtpaint is actually quite nice. |
| 20:04.39 | gamin | will try it |
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| 20:08.52 | gamin | SpeedEvil: quite cool |
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| 20:17.00 | pjspjspjs | I looked all over the site but I could not find when the official launch day is? |
| 20:17.08 | pjspjspjs | when is it? |
| 20:17.13 | dtx | WID |
| 20:17.43 | pjspjspjs | when do they think it's coming out? |
| 20:17.53 | gi-el | pjspjspjs: you might want to have a look at the topic |
| 20:18.23 | pjspjspjs | that's the developer version |
| 20:18.44 | pjspjspjs | I was wondering when the fully functional phone will be ready |
| 20:18.45 | gi-el | GTA02 is the 'final' |
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| 20:19.08 | pjspjspjs | so GTA01 is the one out now I take it |
| 20:19.17 | gi-el | that's what it says, right |
| 20:19.31 | pjspjspjs | when is GTA02 coming out |
| 20:19.39 | viq | pjspjspjs: look at the topic. |
| 20:20.00 | gi-el | aka, nobody knows |
| 20:20.01 | ozarka | First rule of #openmoko, don't talk about GTA02. :-) |
| 20:20.04 | gi-el | "when it's done" |
| 20:20.17 | pjspjspjs | sorry, I was using trillian and I didn't see the rest of the topic |
| 20:20.35 | pjspjspjs | I only saw up to https://direct.openmoko.com|| |
| 20:20.40 | pjspjspjs | I didn't see the rest |
| 20:20.42 | pjspjspjs | my bad |
| 20:21.21 | abraxa_ | gamin: Just for the record in case someone else wants to try - the gpe-icons package contains the icons gpe-gallery relies upon |
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| 20:23.50 | gi-el | grrreat |
| 20:23.54 | gi-el | qtopia phone works |
| 20:23.57 | gi-el | even calling |
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| 20:28.12 | gamin | gi-el: mine calls, but does not connect |
| 20:29.55 | ozarka | mine calls, but loses signal after a few minutes and won't reconnect to the network |
| 20:33.11 | gi-el | gamin: with qtopia, or openmoko? |
| 20:33.26 | gamin | qtopia, openmoko is impossible |
| 20:34.22 | juri_ | nothing is impossible. meerly very difficult. |
| 20:34.51 | pjspjspjs | what is qtopia (sorry I am a novice at open phones but really adore open source) |
| 20:35.10 | ljp | trolltech's phone software |
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| 20:35.41 | pjspjspjs | is it opensource |
| 20:35.46 | dtx | just recently yes |
| 20:35.52 | gi-el | just not gpl |
| 20:35.56 | dtx | is it not? |
| 20:36.00 | gi-el | or is it? |
| 20:36.05 | dtx | I thought it was |
| 20:36.07 | gi-el | i thought it was their own OSS license |
| 20:36.09 | Mek | not lgpl, but I thought it is gpl... |
| 20:36.22 | dtx | That's what I thought |
| 20:36.30 | pjspjspjs | so how will openmoko be the first open source phone |
| 20:36.36 | dtx | But I just breezed through their blurb since I have no hardware to run it on anyways |
| 20:37.02 | dtx | qtopia is software |
| 20:37.04 | dtx | not a phone |
| 20:37.05 | gi-el | pjspjspjs: it will be the first open phone |
| 20:37.33 | gi-el | ok, it's gpl |
| 20:37.41 | ljp | yes, it is |
| 20:38.24 | pmax | Qtopia is GPL |
| 20:38.35 | dtx | now |
| 20:38.38 | dtx | as of recently |
| 20:38.53 | dtx | Probably because they saw what OpenMoko was doing |
| 20:38.59 | gi-el | and i just confirmed myself that the suspend function should be called "break" |
| 20:39.09 | pmax | almost everything from Trolltech is GPL |
| 20:39.21 | pmax | they just had one module of Qtopia that was proprietary until recently |
| 20:39.58 | woglinde | pmax better say for most components you can get free or proprietary licencse |
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| 20:40.28 | ljp | dtx: it was because we no longer saw the threat in the phone market of opening up the telephony stack |
| 20:40.37 | pmax | so you mean that everything is GPL then? :) |
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| 20:41.09 | gi-el | anyway, it looks nice |
| 20:41.16 | gi-el | too bad it doesn't ring and doesn't suspend :P |
| 20:41.32 | dtx | ljp you a representative of Qt? |
| 20:41.35 | woglinde | ljp I got midpath qtbackend compiled with qtopia now I have to see if it really runs |
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| 20:41.55 | ljp | it does ring. suspend is becasue of the system / modem/I believe that openmoko also has suspend/resume problems |
| 20:41.56 | pjspjspjs | so what does openmoko pioneer? |
| 20:42.07 | gi-el | ljp: haven't heard it ring |
| 20:42.17 | ljp | dtx: I work for Trolltech, I am responsible for the 'port' to Neo |
| 20:42.27 | ljp | gi-el: which version? |
| 20:42.43 | gi-el | ljp: that from qtopia.net |
| 20:42.48 | gi-el | ljp: i suspect alsa fudgery |
| 20:43.03 | gi-el | ljp: i can call with speaker and mic, tho |
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| 20:44.17 | ljp | gi-el: get the updated snapshot from qtopia.net. not the 4.3.0-preview |
| 20:44.30 | gi-el | i think i have tht |
| 20:44.32 | gi-el | that* |
| 20:44.40 | dtx | So why is it that qtopia can work with the phone but not OpenMoko, what basic components are missing from OpenMoko to make it work as a rudimentary call out/receive phone? |
| 20:44.41 | gi-el | qtopia-4.3-snapshot-10020615-neo-flash |
| 20:45.00 | gi-el | ljp: but to be fair, i boot the openmoko kernel + userspace and run qtopia off the sd card |
| 20:45.44 | ljp | hmmm |
| 20:46.07 | gi-el | ljp: does qtopia use pulseaudio? |
| 20:46.11 | gi-el | 'cause i killed that |
| 20:46.13 | guri | is there one Kernel and one FS tht works on GTA01B_v04....for sure? because I have yet to find that magic combo yet |
| 20:46.21 | ljp | dtx: qtopia and openmoko use different methods to access the modem |
| 20:46.28 | ljp | gi-el: no. |
| 20:46.52 | dtx | Different libs or just AT... codes? |
| 20:47.00 | gi-el | dtx: different libs |
| 20:47.08 | dtx | I see |
| 20:47.10 | mjr | openmoko's gsmd is buggy, qtopia does its own thing |
| 20:47.17 | dtx | ah |
| 20:47.19 | gi-el | ljp: i will experiment further tomrrow, but i think it's just my alsa settings |
| 20:48.02 | gi-el | ljp: but... nice job! |
| 20:48.21 | ljp | thanks. I will release a new snapshot soon |
| 20:48.50 | gi-el | what are you using to build the rootfs? |
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| 20:49.42 | guri | gi-el, me? i am just using what I can see on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 20:49.49 | gi-el | no, ljp, sorry |
| 20:49.53 | woglinde | gi-el they use buildroot |
| 20:49.58 | gi-el | okay |
| 20:49.59 | dtx | what's the qtopia lib to access the modem? |
| 20:50.24 | woglinde | ljp or are you using oe? |
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| 20:51.50 | dtx | ljp: Do you ever regret stating that you are a representative of Trolltech because of all the random questions you get? ;-) |
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| 20:53.05 | woglinde | gi-el google? |
| 20:53.08 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:53.11 | gi-el | heh no |
| 20:53.41 | guri | btw i do *not* represent my employer ;) |
| 20:53.48 | gi-el | me neither |
| 20:53.49 | gi-el | at the moment |
| 20:53.55 | gi-el | just hacking in my spare time |
| 20:54.32 | guri | yeh, i call it spare time....really it is "i should do housework" time |
| 20:54.39 | Stephmw | nobody represents their employers on IRC :) |
| 20:54.40 | gi-el | hm yeah |
| 20:55.03 | guri | given that i appear incapapb |
| 20:55.14 | gi-el | well, with projects like this the line between hobby and work gets very thin |
| 20:55.17 | Stephmw | I thouroughly represent myself |
| 20:55.45 | pmax | I represent you |
| 20:55.52 | guri | sorry: "barely capavble of setting up my dev environment"... dot dot dot |
| 20:55.56 | Stephmw | gi-el: I ruled out doing the same thing for OSS as I did for a living - the line would have been too thin |
| 20:56.45 | gi-el | Stephmw: nice pics on flickr btw |
| 20:56.49 | dtx | okkernoot.net? |
| 20:57.00 | gi-el | dtx: no, that's just a friend's box |
| 20:57.15 | Stephmw | gi-el: thanks :D |
| 20:57.27 | gi-el | (yeah, i google people) |
| 20:57.30 | torpor | nope i am lame |
| 20:57.50 | Stephmw | gi-el: I can sometimes be bothered |
| 20:57.51 | dtx | ah |
| 20:57.54 | Stephmw | gi-el: :) |
| 20:58.47 | gi-el | now, it's time for sleep |
| 20:58.53 | gi-el | something i do too little anyway |
| 20:58.54 | woglinde | nite gi-el |
| 20:59.20 | gi-el | hm, i think it's almost my 3 year anniversary of using OE, off and on |
| 20:59.44 | gi-el | let me think about that while i sleep |
| 20:59.50 | Stephmw | I've lost track ;-) |
| 20:59.54 | Stephmw | I was there at its birth |
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| 21:00.30 | dtx | I've been using OE for about 2.5 years now |
| 21:00.41 | woglinde | dtx nice ;) |
| 21:00.46 | dtx | I believe |
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| 21:10.27 | ljp | gi-el: I am using openembedded to build the rootfs, |
| 21:10.54 | ljp | dtx: no, I dont mind |
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| 21:13.12 | dtx | kewl |
| 21:16.23 | dtx | so what's the name of the lib that Qtopia uses to access GSM functionality? |
| 21:17.54 | ljp | there are several - libqtopiaphone libqtopiaphonemodem libqtopiacomm |
| 21:17.58 | nano- | browsed bugzilla for bugs related to gsmd but couldn't find any related to my problem. When I start the dialer I get the message about not being connected, but I'm not asked for a pin number, and when using libgsm-tool and then typing O and then r doesn't work either. |
| 21:19.36 | woglinde | nano did you wait some time? |
| 21:19.48 | woglinde | nano or type you commands fast? |
| 21:20.46 | nano- | i could try again.. also, the matchbox-panel can't communicate with gsmd it say. |
| 21:21.53 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:22.01 | nano- | O just echoes "Power-On", and then nothing more. |
| 21:22.08 | nano- | # # Power-ON |
| 21:22.10 | nano- | # # Power-On |
| 21:22.11 | nano- | even. |
| 21:22.20 | dtx | what's the diff between libqtopiaphonemodem and libqtopiacomm? |
| 21:22.38 | ljp | dtx: but also libficgta01vendor.so and libficgta01multiplex.so |
| 21:23.02 | dtx | Those are the specific implementation for FIC Neo |
| 21:23.18 | dtx | Are they used like a driver through the above mentioned libs? |
| 21:23.19 | woglinde | nano okay |
| 21:23.22 | nano- | woglinde: waited for quite some time now and nothing happens. |
| 21:23.24 | woglinde | then type R and wait |
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| 21:23.32 | nano- | capital R? |
| 21:23.36 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:23.40 | woglinde | let me see |
| 21:23.50 | woglinde | the letter for register |
| 21:24.05 | nano- | small r |
| 21:24.25 | nano- | it echoed: # Register |
| 21:25.00 | nano- | and gsmd is still alive |
| 21:25.25 | woglinde | hm oh |
| 21:25.34 | nano- | still nothing else after # Register |
| 21:25.41 | woglinde | try stop it first |
| 21:25.55 | ljp | dtx: libqtopiacomm does serial communication (gsm 0710) and libqtopiaphonemodem does gsm specific |
| 21:26.25 | dtx | I see |
| 21:27.10 | nano- | woglinde: restarted it, and now tried to list available operators, still nothing. |
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| 21:27.18 | nano- | just: # List operators |
| 21:27.29 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:27.33 | woglinde | okay |
| 21:27.40 | woglinde | sorry |
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| 21:28.16 | woglinde | in the first days I made the mistake to type to fast some commands on libgsmd-tools |
| 21:28.20 | woglinde | but later it worked |
| 21:28.28 | woglinde | seems different problem |
| 21:28.33 | woglinde | maybe borken kernel |
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| 22:03.51 | awesomo | test |
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| 23:58.32 | don-o | awesomo: test good |
