| 00:00.06 | SpeedEvil | They react to dialog boxes, at best. If they actually read them, and don't ask for help on something they haven't seen a thousand times. |
| 00:00.12 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: I guess, so many people ask me (IMO) dumb questions and I fell if they wernt scared and sped 3 mins thingking about it they could solve it |
| 00:00.22 | SpeedEvil | To an extent, yes. |
| 00:00.31 | linux_galore | and now we have Vista with its "DONT TOUCH THAT OR THE WORLD WILL IMPLODE [YES/NO] ? |
| 00:01.21 | linux_galore | when I saw Vista I knew Microsoft just didnt understand people |
| 00:01.39 | calamous_ | yeah |
| 00:01.43 | SpeedEvil | It's like permissions - and still running everything as root. |
| 00:02.16 | calamous_ | linux_galore, SpeedEvil: on a quick side note do you call your os a flavor of Linux or GNU/Linux? |
| 00:02.30 | linux_galore | so now I have these users who are totally clueless scared to even install software because Vista keeps saying the world will implode if they do so |
| 00:02.31 | calamous_ | I try to use GNU/Linux if I'm being formal because I feel RMS has a good point |
| 00:02.39 | SpeedEvil | Some people call it maurice. |
| 00:03.31 | calamous_ | linux_galore: I'll tell you something funny. My friend has apple and when os X is low it says "your computer is now running on reserver power." He said that it was on his reserve bat, I asked to see his comp and told him he just had one batt |
| 00:03.48 | linux_galore | calamous_: well I use Linux as a general name and I say I use <distro_name> I treat each distro as a separate OS |
| 00:04.01 | calamous_ | but he insisted that he had a reserve battery because it was in apple's dialog box message |
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| 00:04.41 | calamous_ | But calling "it" Linux. Isnt that like calling Mac OS X just Darwin |
| 00:04.47 | calamous_ | because its the kern? |
| 00:04.57 | SpeedEvil | To an extent. |
| 00:05.08 | SpeedEvil | The proper term would be something like distribution/gnu/linux |
| 00:05.13 | SpeedEvil | but that's quite unwieldy. |
| 00:05.30 | calamous_ | Sure. |
| 00:05.59 | calamous_ | Debian is the only distro that calls it that way: Debian GNU/Linux |
| 00:06.07 | linux_galore | Im getting this feeling with Vista the new version of "security" is to say "well this may damage your system and if you do its not our fault its your [Yes,No]" basically "duck shoving" is Microsoft new security platform, I tell people to use XP its less confusing |
| 00:06.26 | calamous_ | Your C libraray |
| 00:06.29 | calamous_ | compiler |
| 00:06.38 | SpeedEvil | compiler isn't actually in OM. |
| 00:06.40 | SpeedEvil | (forex) |
| 00:06.52 | SpeedEvil | (usually) |
| 00:07.11 | calamous_ | true. but gcc is the only compiler that can compile linux correctly (as of atleast last year) |
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| 00:07.33 | SpeedEvil | IMO, calling stuff GCC compiled Gnu is really stretching it. |
| 00:07.50 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: I'm not calling it that lol |
| 00:07.52 | linux_galore | calamous_: OSX is an OS not a kernel and discribes a single release, Linux described all the released of Linux but I dont define it as a complete OS like OSX, thus I use the disro name |
| 00:07.56 | calamous_ | I would agree that would be streating it |
| 00:08.09 | linux_galore | releases* |
| 00:08.33 | calamous_ | Calling it GNU/Linux carriers the message that the FSF (GNU) want to push |
| 00:08.36 | mjr | an OS is not a flavor of Linux, but it may be a "Linux system", and yes, I too think RMS has a point |
| 00:08.59 | SpeedEvil | As a _trivial_ experiment. |
| 00:09.07 | SpeedEvil | grep Homep.*gnu * |
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| 00:09.15 | SpeedEvil | in /usr/lib/ipkg/info |
| 00:09.19 | SpeedEvil | gives only 11 files |
| 00:09.31 | linux_galore | also GNU only defines a part of LInux and only a small part now |
| 00:09.36 | SpeedEvil | of 322 |
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| 00:09.47 | calamous_ | I'm wondering why the kernel devels wont put Linux under GPLv3? |
| 00:09.58 | mjr | GNU doesn't define a part of Linux at all :] |
| 00:10.05 | calamous_ | Yes |
| 00:10.10 | linux_galore | calamous_: because GPL 2 suites Linus's needs |
| 00:10.14 | calamous_ | But it would be nice, it would offer more protection |
| 00:10.27 | borg_ | SpeedEvil: mmh.. what is with ls, cat, grep, .... and so on |
| 00:10.28 | SpeedEvil | Mostly ncurses, glibc, gdb |
| 00:10.28 | calamous_ | Linus thinks that all software licences are valid |
| 00:10.34 | borg_ | arent this all gnu tools? |
| 00:10.36 | SpeedEvil | borg_: busybox. |
| 00:10.36 | mindCrime | glibc being the big one |
| 00:10.40 | mjr | and changing to 3 would be time-consuming and difficult bureaucratically |
| 00:10.44 | borg_ | SpeedEvil: aah ok |
| 00:10.49 | borg_ | you are speaking of openmoko |
| 00:10.50 | borg_ | sry ;) |
| 00:10.53 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 00:10.57 | linux_galore | calamous_: actually Linus's views (as i do) that GPL3 offers less distribution freedom |
| 00:10.58 | borg_ | yes |
| 00:11.11 | borg_ | busybox replaces most of the gnu tools |
| 00:11.25 | calamous_ | linux_galore: but with more freedom for the users, you have heard of tivoization right? |
| 00:11.31 | Elrond | Good night people. |
| 00:11.37 | SpeedEvil | I think that 4 or 5 of those 11 could be trivially replaced by non-gnu. |
| 00:11.41 | linux_galore | calamous_: yes but that doesnt effect the kernel |
| 00:11.42 | SpeedEvil | The rest are really hard. |
| 00:11.44 | mjr | GPL 3 has the nice explicit mention that you can do a proxy arrangement with a trusted individual(s) who can then choose to upgrade the gpl to later versions... no such proxy thing in Linux |
| 00:11.50 | SpeedEvil | Night Eldorn. |
| 00:12.12 | linux_galore | calamous_: and Tivi do submit allot of code to the kernel so Linus has no issues with it |
| 00:12.18 | mjr | though apparently a fair bunch of code in Linux is actually "v2 or later", just that v2-only stuff is plentiful as well. |
| 00:12.28 | SpeedEvil | I'm really conflicted on tivoisation. |
| 00:12.34 | calamous_ | but you can't run your own on tivo even though they released what they wrote |
| 00:12.40 | borg_ | SpeedEvil: but to call it a gnu/linux system is more polite anyway, "linux" would obviously not what it is today without the gnu stuff |
| 00:12.47 | SpeedEvil | It can mean that hardware makers significantly reduce their dev-time. |
| 00:12.49 | calamous_ | it checksums your own code out |
| 00:12.51 | mjr | borg_, yeah |
| 00:12.55 | defer | can you put the stylus inside the neo somehow? |
| 00:13.17 | SpeedEvil | Essentially for free. Then they get to lock down the hardware so nobody can actually use the sourcecode they supply. |
| 00:13.23 | linux_galore | Linus is "pre merging" not "pro forking" the GPL3 isnt "pro merging" thus Linus doesnt actually like it |
| 00:13.29 | mjr | and on general purpose systems at least gnu stuff is at the very core, and in a lot of embedded stuff too, though not all |
| 00:13.33 | linux_galore | s/pre/pro/ |
| 00:13.40 | calamous_ | Linus is not as philosophical as RMS clearly |
| 00:13.41 | SpeedEvil | defer: basically not. |
| 00:13.46 | linux_galore | BSD = pro forking |
| 00:13.58 | defer | that's bad i lose stuff all the time :\ |
| 00:14.03 | SpeedEvil | defer: the supplied stylus is quite large. |
| 00:14.08 | mjr | True, Linus has no morality on software. I dislike that :] |
| 00:14.11 | SpeedEvil | It's basically a normal relatively heavy metal pen. |
| 00:14.12 | defer | i see |
| 00:14.17 | SpeedEvil | With a laser and light. |
| 00:14.22 | SpeedEvil | And a stylus/pen |
| 00:14.36 | SpeedEvil | it's got a clip on it. |
| 00:14.43 | mjr | I suppose you could grind the stylus into powder |
| 00:14.46 | linux_galore | Linus is an engineer at the end of the day not a philosopher |
| 00:14.48 | mjr | and stick it in the Neo |
| 00:15.03 | calamous_ | On wikipedia on Linus's page it basically said linux n00bs "worship" him and he finds it annonying |
| 00:15.10 | SpeedEvil | Engineering is a philosophy too. |
| 00:15.13 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 00:15.19 | SpeedEvil | Linus had a cool idea. |
| 00:15.31 | SpeedEvil | And happened to be in the right place at the right time for it to crystalise. |
| 00:15.46 | defer | he's such a bad person, but I admire his work |
| 00:15.50 | calamous_ | look at all the packages that are in the FSF's directory |
| 00:15.52 | linux_galore | at the end of the day Linus wants as many people as possible to be able to merge code into the kernel, the GPL3 puts a kink on that |
| 00:16.03 | BlackBsd | bsd is pro whatever |
| 00:16.03 | calamous_ | I wish Linus cared more about "freedom" as RMS does |
| 00:16.04 | BlackBsd | do whatever |
| 00:16.14 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: fork off. |
| 00:16.24 | thomasg__ | ^^ |
| 00:16.26 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 00:16.28 | linux_galore | yeah but BSD is pro fork thus its not got the growth of a pro merge project like Linux |
| 00:16.38 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: I'll go download GNU Hurd lol |
| 00:16.44 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 00:16.45 | defer | being pro-whatever is not good, apple could have contributed a lot back to bsd but they saw nada. |
| 00:16.45 | Agrajag- | calamous_: he does care about it himself, he just doesn't believe in forcing his beliefs on other people |
| 00:16.47 | BlackBsd | its all about the licensing |
| 00:17.03 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: Nothing! |
| 00:17.03 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: still being worked on |
| 00:17.17 | mjr | linux_galore, well, the GPL3 _is_ designed to be more compatible with some other licenses, such as apache :] |
| 00:17.18 | linux_galore | they did a major rewrite of Hurd not long ago |
| 00:17.24 | SpeedEvil | Is it due for release before Duke Nukem forever? |
| 00:17.28 | defer | nothing? |
| 00:17.30 | calamous_ | HAHAHA |
| 00:17.39 | calamous_ | When is Duke Nukem forever comming out |
| 00:17.43 | anrp | i heard that they're teaming up for a double-release |
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| 00:17.52 | borg_ | :) |
| 00:17.52 | Tyrae1 | lol |
| 00:17.56 | linux_galore | mjr: yeah but there are some anti-merging aspects that goes against the grain for Linus in the GPL3 |
| 00:17.58 | BlackBsd | yes and there happend to be lawsuits going on at that time.. |
| 00:18.28 | BlackBsd | lol |
| 00:18.30 | defer_ | well, the world is going towards monolithic kernels, hurd is a step back |
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| 00:18.37 | anrp | oo |
| 00:18.39 | calamous_ | I guess this argument has been going on on IRC and mailling lists for years |
| 00:18.42 | anrp | hot button issue! |
| 00:18.48 | linux_galore | in some ways Hurd is a good idea now that CPU's are multi core |
| 00:19.00 | BlackBsd | linux_galore, thats simply not true |
| 00:19.02 | BlackBsd | hurd is still kickin |
| 00:19.02 | mjr | defer_, are you serious? |
| 00:19.13 | linux_galore | I think Linux will start to have problems with multi core cpu's |
| 00:19.31 | defer_ | mjr: mostly, i admire non monolithic design |
| 00:19.33 | SpeedEvil | Combinatorial lock explosion is a problem. |
| 00:19.36 | linux_galore | BlackBsd: ?? I never said it wasnt |
| 00:19.41 | defer_ | mjr: but it has it's flaws int he real world |
| 00:19.41 | BlackBsd | apache, is more like bsd than it is gpl |
| 00:20.19 | BlackBsd | linux_galore, shy do you bash bsd? |
| 00:20.20 | mjr | defer_, only in that monolithic solutions have gotten more mindshare, like flies :] |
| 00:20.33 | Agrajag- | linux_galore: what are you talking about? why would linux have problems with multi core cpus? |
| 00:20.39 | BlackBsd | why |
| 00:20.43 | thomasg__ | BlackBsd, the apache licence is more like the old bsd licence with the attibution clause :) |
| 00:21.03 | BlackBsd | monolithic has been round for a long time, the kernels now are monolithic yet have modular design |
| 00:21.17 | calamous_ | What is a hybrid kernel? |
| 00:21.30 | BlackBsd | why you think that? |
| 00:21.36 | mjr | BlackBsd, yes they have. Which is why I found defer's "world is moving towards monolithic" statement to be rather... disingenious |
| 00:22.02 | linux_galore | Agrajag-: well you cant split the kernel up over multiple cores without virtualisation, why cant we have something like Hurd were the kernel is split so it works on seperate cores |
| 00:22.08 | defer_ | modular doesn't make a kernel more or less like a micro kernel in my opinion |
| 00:22.16 | mjr | defer_, of course it doesn't |
| 00:22.46 | mjr | and yes, Hurd is treading very slow... Wonder what's the progress of the L4 port |
| 00:22.55 | linux_galore | Solaris and Windows now uses hybrid kernels |
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| 00:23.01 | mjr | Minix may yet overtake it as a free microkernel OS ;) |
| 00:23.12 | calamous_ | Guys! I'm sorry I've started this whole licences and kernel discussion. Its been going on for years (decades). This should be on the LKML not here lol |
| 00:23.15 | jaebird | not the W word! |
| 00:23.26 | linux_galore | anyway Im out |
| 00:23.27 | BlackBsd | thomasg_ yes, closer to bsd than gpl |
| 00:23.39 | calamous_ | Lets get back to openmoko / Neo |
| 00:23.47 | jaebird | calamous_ way to go...drop a poo and leave :) |
| 00:23.59 | calamous_ | I understand that google's phone will use openmoko |
| 00:24.04 | jaebird | nice |
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| 00:24.08 | calamous_ | jaebird: yes, but we are just waisting time lol |
| 00:24.11 | calamous_ | now |
| 00:24.15 | BlackBsd | personally i like both the linux os and the bsd os, and i would probally like hurd also |
| 00:24.28 | mjr | There _does_ appear to be some progress with Hurd. Which is good, slow as it is. |
| 00:24.52 | BlackBsd | there is nothing wrong with a micro kernel.. |
| 00:24.54 | calamous_ | I want to see progress on the linux bios |
| 00:25.06 | BlackBsd | if designed right, they all work well |
| 00:25.22 | mjr | BlackBsd, I think it's a crying shame that almost all free kernel developers work with these Linux/*BSD systems that are separate but really, at the core, the same. |
| 00:26.08 | BlackBsd | lol |
| 00:26.26 | mjr | would hope that _some_ ukernel free OS would gain momentum, at least it'd be an ecosystem then and not such a monoculture, sucky pun intended |
| 00:28.07 | BlackBsd | at the core, some are very different.. |
| 00:28.26 | BlackBsd | which is why i like posix and standards |
| 00:28.42 | shackan | it won't happe until vendors decide that it's 'good enough' to hack linux into their devices |
| 00:28.43 | BlackBsd | like oe will work under bsd.. |
| 00:28.49 | shackan | *happen |
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| 00:33.22 | BlackBsd | how can i re-download just the artwork tarball? |
| 00:33.35 | BlackBsd | cant i remove something under stamps? |
| 00:34.16 | mjr | BlackBsd, yeah, standards are nice; I can continue to use the Linux kernel "for the time being", waiting for something better to come along ;] |
| 00:34.20 | mjr | but sleep, now, I think |
| 00:34.37 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: you still here? |
| 00:35.09 | SpeedEvil | What? |
| 00:35.09 | SpeedEvil | Currently I'm designing the new charset for the stroke recogniser. |
| 00:35.17 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: I was looking at the carrer/ATT page and people both report success and failure with the 7300 4021 |
| 00:35.28 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 00:35.33 | SpeedEvil | I have no insight. |
| 00:35.38 | calamous_ | Do they have different neos? |
| 00:35.42 | calamous_ | or random timing? |
| 00:35.47 | SpeedEvil | Dunno |
| 00:35.48 | calamous_ | I cant figure it out |
| 00:36.03 | BlackBsd | better will always be building on what we have solid now |
| 00:36.07 | linux_galore | if you want proof that Linux has issues any may need a major fork with ver 3.0 just look at why ZFS wont ever truly run on Linux (fuse doesnt count) |
| 00:36.11 | BlackBsd | like gcc |
| 00:36.22 | linux_galore | s/any/and/ |
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| 00:37.05 | linux_galore | ignore the license issues because thats a smoke screen, there is another technical issue why ZFS will never be used in Linux |
| 00:37.43 | BlackBsd | zfs is not fully open source. |
| 00:37.47 | BlackBsd | btw |
| 00:37.52 | mjr | fuse is nice to have, it gets Linux one microkernel benefit :] |
| 00:37.59 | BlackBsd | i really dont know how it made it into the bsd tree |
| 00:38.04 | linux_galore | BlackBsd: yes I know but Sun is looking at putting it under GPL3 |
| 00:38.35 | linux_galore | BlackBsd: even if ZFS is GPL3 it wont be in the Linux kernel |
| 00:39.09 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Carriers/ATT]] [[Web_Browser]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Stylus_mount]] |
| 00:39.55 | BlackBsd | im not political enough to have a view on the gpl3 issues |
| 00:40.22 | BlackBsd | because the linux kernel isnt moving to gpl3? |
| 00:40.32 | Tyrae1 | no |
| 00:40.59 | rwhitby | BlackBsd: remove the fetch stamp to redownload |
| 00:41.23 | rwhitby | you can also remove the tarball and md5 file in downloads if you really want it to refecth the tarball |
| 00:42.46 | BlackBsd | thanks |
| 00:43.09 | rwhitby | BlackBsd: please add that tip to the mokomakefile wiki page |
| 00:43.27 | BlackBsd | i dont have a fetch stamp |
| 00:43.29 | BlackBsd | i have already removed the tarball |
| 00:44.09 | rwhitby | BlackBsd: are you looking in the mokomakefile stamps dir or the OE stamps dir? |
| 00:44.22 | rwhitby | look in build/tmp/stamps/... |
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| 00:46.12 | BlackBsd | ll build/tmp/stamps |
| 00:46.21 | BlackBsd | opps sorry. wrong terminal |
| 00:46.41 | mrcucumber | Has a hardware graphics acceleration platform been decided? |
| 00:47.58 | mjr | (hmh, zfs seems to be under cddl, unless I'm mistaken, and that is a free, if inconvenient, license even by fsf's list) |
| 00:48.35 | BlackBsd | i was looking in my moko/stamps dir. |
| 00:48.44 | mjr | I wasn't aware there was a choice aside from opengl(es), if talking about the GPU in GTA02 |
| 00:49.08 | BlackBsd | im running find ./ -iname '*fetch* |
| 00:49.14 | BlackBsd | i will find it |
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| 00:50.33 | defer_ | more importantly will the graphics driver follow the dri infrastructure? |
| 00:50.45 | BlackBsd | sdl? |
| 00:51.24 | BlackBsd | that find command is returning a ton of crap. |
| 00:52.43 | mjr | defer_, would be curious if it didn't, again, but what do I know... |
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| 00:53.00 | mjr | it would be interesting to hear on the subject from some of the core team |
| 00:55.42 | mjr | though I wouldn't be too sure it's on the top of their project priority list for now |
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| 00:56.26 | eric | hmm. how do I get bitbake to not require quilt 0.45 but use 0.46 which is installed? |
| 00:57.26 | BlackBsd | rwhitby, for some reason i cannot find the stamp file i need i wonder if i run some other make target to grab it? |
| 00:57.38 | BlackBsd | once i figure that out i can add the tip to the wiki |
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| 01:00.30 | BlackBsd | probally better than my isp.. |
| 01:00.43 | BlackBsd | i have satelite which throttles after 100mb download |
| 01:00.52 | BlackBsd | yet they charge my left arm |
| 01:01.05 | SpeedEvil | On the other hand, you can move your internet around without problems. |
| 01:01.16 | jaebird | BlackBsd: i have fixed wireless isp |
| 01:01.43 | defer | dsl :\ |
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| 01:07.17 | BlackBsd | ok guys, i need to go get more bandwith.. see you l8tr |
| 01:14.42 | SpeedEvil | Basically - nothing like english. |
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| 01:18.22 | linux_galore | Has 150GB per month account 22Mb/s |
| 01:18.32 | linux_galore | muwahahaha |
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| 01:18.58 | linux_galore | still not as good as Sth Korea though |
| 01:19.12 | linux_galore | 100mb/s no cap |
| 01:20.36 | borg_ | linux_galore: i have 100mb/s without cap here at the momment ;) |
| 01:20.40 | borg_ | 10€/month |
| 01:20.59 | linux_galore | borg_: dam thats cheap |
| 01:21.05 | borg_ | its from the university ;) |
| 01:21.16 | borg_ | i will so miss it when i got my master |
| 01:21.17 | borg_ | :( |
| 01:21.35 | linux_galore | borg_: aaah Uni accounts. torrent heaven lol |
| 01:21.55 | linux_galore | borg_: have to use tor now |
| 01:22.44 | borg_ | for what? |
| 01:22.46 | borg_ | using torrent? |
| 01:22.48 | borg_ | thats odd |
| 01:23.10 | borg_ | there are so many legal things you can get as a torrent |
| 01:26.55 | Mukunda | Hmm, another error, any ideas on this one? Building mokomakefile. http://rafb.net/p/Of10LM53.html |
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| 01:40.49 | mrcucumber | Has anyone played with clutter? |
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| 01:43.37 | SpeedEvil | clutter? |
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| 01:47.01 | BlackBsd | ok i had a icons_svn tarball in my sources directory that was corrupt so i deleted it, does anyone know the file i have to delete to cause the makefile to redownload this file? |
| 01:47.45 | BlackBsd | i have tried to look for the file under stamps which i thought would work, but i didnt know where to look |
| 02:01.31 | borg_ | yeha |
| 02:01.44 | borg_ | i have a completly working OM2007.2 now :) |
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| 02:09.14 | BlackBsd | nice. |
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| 02:12.26 | borg_ | it looks so nice |
| 02:12.35 | borg_ | and the feedreader is working allready so well |
| 02:12.41 | borg_ | :) |
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| 02:16.59 | jaebird | borg_: fonts in dialer and term sane? |
| 02:18.40 | borg_ | yes |
| 02:18.45 | borg_ | it looks completly nice |
| 02:18.53 | jaebird | did you use a snapshot or source? |
| 02:19.01 | borg_ | source |
| 02:19.15 | jaebird | cool, i'l need to try it again then |
| 02:19.31 | borg_ | ;) |
| 02:19.37 | jaebird | my build machine is soooo slow :( |
| 02:19.46 | borg_ | if someone can give me space i can upload the images |
| 02:19.57 | jaebird | that would be cool |
| 02:21.22 | jaebird | i could make an ftp drop... |
| 02:22.33 | BlackBsd | rwhitby, thanks for adding that tip, it helped out |
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| 02:25.09 | borg_ | http://homepages.uni-paderborn.de/olaf/dinge/neo/images/ |
| 02:25.11 | borg_ | here we are |
| 02:25.48 | borg_ | where should i ah ouch |
| 02:25.57 | borg_ | ouch |
| 02:25.58 | jaebird | borg_: thanks d/l |
| 02:25.59 | borg_ | didnt work |
| 02:26.10 | borg_ | jaebird: the image isnt fully transfered |
| 02:26.14 | jaebird | ok... |
| 02:26.19 | borg_ | i dont have enough space at my university account |
| 02:26.20 | borg_ | :( |
| 02:26.21 | borg_ | sry |
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| 02:29.14 | sagacis | grrr... Dead battery again. |
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| 02:36.49 | Mukunda | Hmm, another error, any ideas on this one? Building mokomakefile. http://rafb.net/p/Of10LM53.html |
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| 02:38.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 02:45.55 | a1r | has anyone seen a problem that prevents the neo1973 from turning on ? |
| 02:47.25 | jaebird | bork_: still here? |
| 02:47.59 | jaebird | borg_: rather |
| 02:48.35 | a1r | my neo stopped turning on |
| 02:48.53 | sagacis | Here's a question for the group: When the image boots, "openmoko-dialer" is run in a process. Is there any way to access that process? |
| 02:49.05 | sagacis | alr, just plug it in and be patient |
| 02:49.27 | sagacis | alr, you ran the battery all the way down. When I do this, I just plug it into a powered hub for a while (1-2 hrs) |
| 02:49.40 | a1r | oh. cool. thanks. |
| 02:49.42 | sagacis | In fact, I'm doing that now, since the device decided to kaput when I came home |
| 02:49.53 | a1r | that's what happened to me too. |
| 02:50.00 | a1r | what's battery life like ? |
| 02:50.13 | sagacis | Others are concerned they are trashing the device and need special tools to restore, but I've done this three times without any noticeable side effects |
| 02:50.20 | sagacis | 2-3 hrs, probably |
| 02:50.22 | sagacis | Maybe a little more. |
| 02:50.32 | sagacis | I made it 5 hrs, but then I turned it off. |
| 02:50.38 | sagacis | The battery still drained down to nothing. |
| 02:50.58 | BryceLeo | ello all |
| 02:50.58 | sagacis | You should probably take the battery out when it's off to be sure it doesn't do this. |
| 02:51.07 | sagacis | BryceLeo, heya |
| 02:51.31 | jaebird | mine isn't dead |
| 02:51.43 | sagacis | jaebird, Well, you're better than I |
| 02:51.45 | BryceLeo | sagacis: how's the night treating you? (well night from my part of the world) |
| 02:51.54 | sagacis | Night here, too (TX) |
| 02:52.03 | sagacis | OK. busy. Just now sat down. |
| 02:52.17 | sagacis | with a dead device. I got a sim card and activated it today. |
| 02:52.20 | BryceLeo | sagacis: haha ouch |
| 02:52.32 | sagacis | Tried to make my first call and got feedback... :( |
| 02:52.41 | BryceLeo | but atleast you got something! |
| 02:52.46 | sagacis | I connected. |
| 02:52.51 | sagacis | That's what counts. |
| 02:52.57 | sagacis | Using libgsmd-tool |
| 02:53.07 | sagacis | The dialer never worked. |
| 02:53.33 | sagacis | I asked a few minutes ago, "The image starts openmoko-dialer on launch. How do I access that process?" |
| 02:53.48 | sagacis | A follow-on: Shouldn't the dialer app be "RunOnce"? |
| 02:57.55 | a1r | yesh. |
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| 03:04.14 | BryceLeo | sigh off to bed already.... damn pita women.... |
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| 03:14.49 | wasabi | Curiously, how far along is the Openmoko's software stack? I'm waiting to buy one until I can at least make and receive phone calls and sms messages with some normality. |
| 03:15.07 | wasabi | Crashes and stupid UI are not a big deal... I just want it to be more than a brick. ;) |
| 03:15.22 | doc|home | wasabi: i'm the same, but I'm really thinking wifi on the ones in oct will be worth waiting for |
| 03:15.32 | wasabi | Oh, new hardware then? |
| 03:15.32 | Mukunda | I'm waiting for video acceleration and wifi... Then it'll have all I want. |
| 03:15.35 | wasabi | How often is hardware refreshed? |
| 03:15.50 | doc|home | Mukunda: video acceleration may have you waiting a while |
| 03:16.06 | doc|home | wasabi: don't know yet :/ |
| 03:16.22 | doc|home | but once it gets wifi, I'm buying :) |
| 03:16.47 | Mukunda | doc|home: but I thought it was meant to be in the one that comes in october, 2D/3D acceleration will come with that one. |
| 03:17.14 | wasabi | How is the software stack, anyways? |
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| 03:17.59 | wasabi | Is it a monolithic distro or does it borrow from existing distros? |
| 03:18.07 | wasabi | I'm liking hte lateslt maemo stuff, which actually has dpkg. |
| 03:18.20 | wasabi | Makes development super easy to track... just prepare new packages and install them. |
| 03:19.32 | wasabi | THat's usually ended up being why I dislike embedded linux environments. So much ripping apart of existing infrastructure just to save a few bytes. |
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| 03:25.30 | mwester | That's what keeps it lean, wasabi. Without the embedded stuff, Linux might end up as huge bloatware, requiring 1GByte of RAM to boot -- like a certain other operating system. |
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| 03:25.56 | jaebird | mwester: i'm getting an inkling |
| 03:25.57 | wasabi | Sure, but there are ways to accomplish that without compromising on quality. Maemo does a nice job. They use dpkg, but they strip out all the perl pieces of it. |
| 03:26.11 | wasabi | As well as the /usr/share/doc/* structures, etc. |
| 03:26.16 | mwester | ipkg is what's used with most of the OE distros. |
| 03:26.31 | wasabi | Yeah. I'm not happy with that. I'd just like somebody to fix up dpkg to make it smaller. |
| 03:26.40 | wasabi | By removing perl. :) |
| 03:27.27 | rwhitby | wasabi: you volunteering? |
| 03:27.34 | jaebird | lol |
| 03:27.50 | wasabi | If I was working on a device such as openmako, yeah. I would. ;) |
| 03:28.01 | jaebird | rwhitby: say you got a little feisty earlier :) |
| 03:28.39 | rwhitby | hmm |
| 03:29.32 | rwhitby | sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind ;-) |
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| 03:30.05 | jaebird | you got that right |
| 03:31.04 | jaebird | sometimes i wish the neo had usb2...rootfs takes awhile |
| 03:31.43 | wasabi | hmm... the gdm in the neo... is it... whatever they call it, 3g? |
| 03:31.47 | wasabi | s/gdm/gsm/ |
| 03:31.58 | wasabi | Oh, that's a cool bot. |
| 03:32.32 | jaebird | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 03:33.52 | jaebird | that should be in the topic imho |
| 03:34.09 | jaebird | btw: love the splash screen :) |
| 03:34.36 | wasabi | oh ok. |
| 03:34.44 | wasabi | ahh well, n/m then. heh. |
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| 03:37.42 | doc|home | wasabi: no, it's 2.5g afaik |
| 03:37.58 | doc|home | Mukunda: I'm not sure but I don't think so |
| 03:38.13 | doc|home | why is hardware video acceleration a big deal? |
| 03:39.04 | summatusmentis | pretty-ness |
| 03:39.10 | summatusmentis | and ability to play video |
| 03:40.05 | doc|home | meh, if it has a webbrowser I'll be happy. Video would only suck battery anyway. |
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| 03:42.29 | Mukunda | doc|home: well because I want the openmoko to basically replace my laptop, which I only use for irc, web-browsing, ebooks, video and a little music. |
| 03:43.13 | doc|home | fair enough, not sure how seamless that'll be. Would videos have to be converted to fit the screen format? |
| 03:44.02 | doc|home | I want it for the same thing, but have an mp3 player for music (40GB) and don't like reading books off screens, much rather the dead wood variety :) |
| 03:44.03 | summatusmentis | yes, most likely |
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| 03:49.02 | mrcucumber | Is this going to be involved with openmoko at all? http://www.pimlico-project.org/ |
| 03:50.21 | doc|home | "This also allows for easy porting to various GTK+ based mobile frameworks such as Maemo and OpenMoko as well as desktop usage." |
| 03:50.28 | doc|home | looks like it, but if not, you could :) |
| 03:50.46 | doc|home | I think it is, I remember reading about EDS lite |
| 03:51.11 | doc|home | http://www.pimlico-project.org/contacts.html |
| 03:51.18 | doc|home | shows a screenshot of openmoko |
| 03:51.40 | Mukunda | doc|home: mm, yes... The main thing I want the neo for is the ebook, my laptop can comfortable do other stuff, but reading ebooks on it sucks... Perhaps I should just buy the books in paper form. |
| 03:53.05 | mrcucumber | doc | home: but aren't we developing our own PIM suite ? |
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| 04:07.26 | linux_galore | wonder when mame is ported over, maybe not till the GTA02 is out |
| 04:13.30 | mrface | when I run my application on the actual phone I get all sorts of segfaults and crashes, but when I compile for i686 and run locally, I have no problems. Anyone have any tips? |
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| 04:30.05 | rwhitby | looks like OM2007.2 won't build on Debian Sarge. |
| 04:30.17 | rwhitby | (missing X11/extensions/XI.h) |
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| 04:35.27 | linux_galore | rwhitby: just find the package the lib is part of an install it |
| 04:35.58 | rwhitby | linux_galore: looks like it doesn't exist in the version of X11 that Debian Sarge has. |
| 04:36.36 | linux_galore | rwhitby: sarge runs a pretty stock X setup |
| 04:37.58 | rwhitby | I'm just going to dist-upgrade the box to Etch. Life's too short. |
| 04:38.32 | rwhitby | I think it's an X11R6 vs X.Org thing |
| 04:40.21 | ckuethe | mrface: EABI vs OABI? |
| 04:40.25 | jeremymc | Has anyone been looking at using maemo mapper for the OpenMoko? |
| 04:40.39 | chetan | I want help for bulilding the opemoko on Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 04:40.49 | chetan | can anybody help me |
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| 04:42.08 | jeremymc | I see that you can get the GPS stuff out, from what I can see it would just be a matter of pointing maemo mapper to /tmp/gps.nmea |
| 04:42.37 | rwhitby | jeremymc: I've been running maemo mapper on my n800 and pointing it to the neo via BT |
| 04:42.55 | jeremymc | ya, I have a 770 and use mapper all the time. |
| 04:43.06 | ferric | chetan: using mokomakefile? |
| 04:43.07 | jeremymc | I noticed that the BT would work as well. |
| 04:43.13 | jeremymc | That looks boring though ;-) |
| 04:44.19 | mrface | ckuethe: i'm sorry, i don't know what that means |
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| 04:48.15 | rwhitby | jeremymc: yeah, but it's a first step :-) |
| 04:49.51 | jeremymc | rwhitby: I was thinking along the lines of getting maemo mapper working on the moko, then trying to get it to talk to my existing BT GPS as a first step |
| 04:50.17 | jeremymc | Then if that worked, look at using everything internally on the OpenMoko |
| 04:52.38 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 05:04.50 | gambler | is there an openmoko vmware image available? |
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| 05:13.05 | mrface | I'm sorry, someone replied to my question but my computer shutdown. Can you please repeat? |
| 05:14.50 | SpeedEvil | mrface: type !logs to get links to log files including the last few mins |
| 05:15.09 | mrface | !logs |
| 05:15.11 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 05:15.12 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 05:15.13 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 05:15.15 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 05:15.17 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 05:16.04 | mrface | SpeedEvil: nice, thanks |
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| 05:24.24 | calamous_ | rwhitby: are you here? |
| 05:24.30 | rwhitby | yep |
| 05:25.25 | calamous_ | rwhitby: you're IRC client can do private chat right? |
| 05:25.30 | calamous_ | your* |
| 05:25.43 | rwhitby | yes |
| 05:25.51 | calamous_ | just sent you a message |
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| 05:26.08 | rwhitby | you're not registered |
| 05:26.24 | calamous_ | ohh damn. |
| 05:26.34 | calamous_ | go to freenode? |
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| 05:40.08 | mrface | how can I know if I'm compiling for EABI vs OABI? I'm just using a bitbake recipe |
| 05:41.09 | rwhitby | TARGET_OS = "linux-gnueabi" |
| 05:41.33 | rwhitby | bitbake prints that out each time it runs |
| 05:41.34 | mrface | I thought openmoko uses OABI |
| 05:41.45 | mrface | oh cool |
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| 05:45.22 | mrface | rwhitby: uhoh, my TARGET_OS = "linux"... how can I change it? |
| 05:45.42 | rwhitby | that means you're using OABI |
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| 05:46.56 | mrface | rwhitby: do I need to change it to EABI? |
| 05:47.01 | rwhitby | OM2007.1 is OABI, OM2007.2 is EABI. You can't build OM2007.2 using the OM2007.1 build instructions (or the MokoMakefile, which embodies those instructions) |
| 05:47.16 | rwhitby | mrface: how would I know what you need? |
| 05:48.24 | mrface | sorry, I didn't know that.. the wiki just says "OABI. The old one, and the one openmoko uses." |
| 05:48.44 | mrface | I'm still on OM2007.1 so I guess I'll stick with OABI |
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| 05:52.28 | gcb77 | doh, no libxml? |
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| 05:55.02 | gcb77 | any suggestions on how to save data from an application, other than hacking my own binary format? |
| 05:58.12 | rwhitby | linux_galore: dist-upgrading from sarge to etch allows the OM2007.2 build to proceed. |
| 05:58.18 | piksi | hmm, is the battery used in openmoko some generic easy to replace one and not specifically designed for the phone? at least it looks like so... |
| 05:58.18 | aloril | piksi: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 05:58.56 | rwhitby | ~botsnack for aloril |
| 05:58.56 | apt | aw, gee, rwhitby |
| 05:59.30 | piksi | wow, the first time i see an INFORMATIVE bot :-) and if found what i wanted from the wiki..! |
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| 06:06.31 | linux_galore | from what Ive seen the OM unit is a generic Nokia unit |
| 06:06.38 | linux_galore | @ battery |
| 06:08.05 | piksi | oh, nice |
| 06:09.14 | CM | But it won't charge with a nokia charger, but it charges with unofficial chargers |
| 06:09.32 | CM | s/But it/It/ |
| 06:09.46 | linux_galore | !aloril battery |
| 06:09.58 | linux_galore | meh |
| 06:10.01 | CM | battery? |
| 06:10.11 | CM | wifi? |
| 06:10.12 | aloril | Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 06:10.35 | CM | aloril: Maybe a "battery" trigger should be added too :) |
| 06:10.38 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery |
| 06:10.49 | aloril | ;-) |
| 06:10.53 | CM | :P |
| 06:13.31 | rushforth | anyone had any build isses with gtk+2.10.14 on OM-2007.2 ? |
| 06:13.39 | piksi | damn, i hope neo will keep the pace and release in october |
| 06:13.50 | piksi | i want rid of symbian |
| 06:14.07 | linux_galore | I saw the oops on the wiki, ie no we havent run out of stock etc |
| 06:14.23 | linux_galore | sorry Planet Openmoko |
| 06:14.33 | linux_galore | not the wiki |
| 06:15.39 | linux_galore | Ive noticed allot of people on new sites saying they would love to get an openmoko because they are pissed at whats available |
| 06:15.44 | linux_galore | new* |
| 06:15.47 | linux_galore | News* |
| 06:16.38 | linux_galore | Im just waiting for the GTA02 to be released myself |
| 06:17.06 | piksi | linux_galore: well, i'm part of that group, that's why i'm waiting for the "stable" release with wifi |
| 06:17.39 | piksi | i'll gladly throw ~600e on a good pda/computer/phone |
| 06:18.08 | linux_galore | piksi: I think its only US$450 for the handset |
| 06:18.24 | piksi | but even though e.g. E90 is kind of cool, i hated the fact that the platform is closed and bundled with all sort of realmedia crap and symbian development is *hell* imho |
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| 06:19.29 | linux_galore | piksi: the E90 though is pretty funky monkey |
| 06:19.55 | linux_galore | piksi: Ive got an N95 and Im pretty impressed with it |
| 06:20.11 | linux_galore | I just wish it ran Linux |
| 06:20.18 | piksi | linux_galore: yes, it IS nice, but to harness all its power.. i think s60 3rd-ed is restricting and crippling its power and possibilities |
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| 06:22.08 | piksi | linux_galore: besides, imo the biggest problem in symbian is that the backwards compatibility and upgrading is in practice not possible. 9300i i had was stuck with the slow and crashing symbian 7.1 |
| 06:22.24 | linux_galore | piksi: ouch |
| 06:22.51 | linux_galore | piksi: 9.1 on the E90 looks interesting though, be a while before OM gets to that stage |
| 06:23.18 | piksi | yes, they have done a lot to improve symbian, new memory handling and a lot of security tightening |
| 06:23.20 | linux_galore | (and price) |
| 06:24.19 | linux_galore | piksi: if you look on youtube there is a coloured it geek who has returned his iPhone because the E90 he also owns just works better |
| 06:24.50 | linux_galore | search under E90 |
| 06:24.51 | piksi | well i'm not surprised, imo iPhone is overpriced bundle of old hw + restricted software. |
| 06:25.14 | piksi | in the same way that some nokia models have been "dumbed down" for the US market |
| 06:25.57 | linux_galore | I love how the iPhone is aimed at the socialites, one small problem, the digicam has no flash so those late night pics of the party/orgy wont happen |
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| 06:27.08 | piksi | iphone has some good ideas but again, i think apple has concentrated more on the hyping of apple-like smooth'n'cool interface and iphone-like features. they didn't advertise iphone as a tech-monster gadget with all the possible features, instead they advertised it as a trendy phone and succeeded in that |
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| 06:27.29 | linux_galore | piksi: well I think Apple hit a sweet spot personally, the cpu grunt and 3D acceleration has hit the point on mobile devices were you can do lots of eye candy effects, other providers just got flat footed |
| 06:28.01 | linux_galore | give it a year everyone will have 3D effects |
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| 06:28.36 | linux_galore | give it 2 months and the OM will have 3D stuff on the GTA02 |
| 06:28.44 | piksi | well, as i said, it hits the spot on trend consumers and succeeds :-) but i doubt it will penetrate eu market that well |
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| 06:29.38 | piksi | here (at least in finland) consumers seem to be more after the features and nokia-style design (like n95/e90) is "in the blood" so it's considered cool looking anyway and people don't wish for anything more fancier |
| 06:29.40 | linux_galore | piksi: well the iPhone suffers the same problem as the Apple desktop and laptop platform but worse, lack of enterprise apps |
| 06:30.17 | darmou | piksi, it's amazing the iphone hackers have got as far as they have, hats off to them I say. |
| 06:30.29 | linux_galore | if adobe and Microsoft pulled their software of the Apple platform it would seriously suck |
| 06:30.54 | darmou | Much easier to work with something open in the first place. Hopefully this will be much better supported than the Zaurus as far as FIC goes and comunity involement |
| 06:31.31 | linux_galore | darmou: the zaurus I found just didnt quite hit all the right buttons |
| 06:31.34 | piksi | darmou: yes, i bow at them for the effort! but at the same time i can't stop smirking at how crippled the platform is and how some apple fanatics don't seem to admit it ;-) |
| 06:32.08 | linux_galore | piksi: ask them to open a pda or edit a doc file muawahaahah |
| 06:32.13 | piksi | (by crippled i mean lack of software as linux_galore said) |
| 06:32.13 | linux_galore | pdf* |
| 06:32.26 | darmou | piksi, the problem is that both the neo and iphone are using old network technology. Here in Oz everyone is going over to 3g |
| 06:32.39 | darmou | i'm hoping FIC will put out a 3g phone soon. |
| 06:32.50 | piksi | Oz? |
| 06:32.51 | linux_galore | darmou: it already is 3G |
| 06:32.56 | darmou | Oz = Australia |
| 06:32.59 | piksi | ah |
| 06:33.32 | piksi | darmou: same here in europe, 3G has hit through |
| 06:33.32 | darmou | Not sure about Europe last time I was there GSM was pretty much still in use in most places. I was with orange then. |
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| 06:34.31 | darmou | linux_galore, hws has confirmed that FIC is looking into it as far as I know current neo is not 3g |
| 06:34.36 | linux_galore | piksi: technically Telstra has 3.5G (Next G) |
| 06:35.02 | darmou | linux_galore, how does that compare with 3? |
| 06:35.28 | darmou | linux_galore, I heard that 3 have a new grroup ogf phones with faster internet the X something or other |
| 06:35.31 | linux_galore | darmou: they use CDMA as the RF thus they have more speed over longer distances |
| 06:35.48 | linux_galore | they use 800mhz |
| 06:36.24 | linux_galore | darmou: yeah, they are called open and they will use WiMAX but I doubt thats for mobiles, maybe laptops |
| 06:36.33 | linux_galore | s/open/opal/ |
| 06:37.50 | linux_galore | darmou: although I did see a mobile with WiMAX yesterday on a website, hit the shelves in Korea next year |
| 06:38.43 | darmou | linux_galore, it will be interesting to see if Unwired changes over to WiMaX standard. |
| 06:38.59 | linux_galore | darmou: Next G is a pin though because Telstra has used a differnt none cdma setup for the data nothing works with it accept a handful of handsets |
| 06:39.16 | darmou | pin=pain? |
| 06:39.39 | linux_galore | pain* |
| 06:40.05 | linux_galore | let me type that again I got a phone call right in the middle |
| 06:40.08 | ljp | anyone know how to detect headphones being plugged in? |
| 06:41.12 | linux_galore | darmou: Next G is a pain though because Telstra has uses CDMA for the data were everyone else use GSM so nothing is available accept a handful of handsets |
| 06:41.25 | linux_galore | s/has// |
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| 06:42.17 | darmou | I thought telstra was getting rid of CDMA, interesting |
| 06:43.20 | linux_galore | darmou: no they cheated, CDMA (as in the rf part) is actually way better than GSM because it works over greater distances, perfect for Australia, one problem no phones |
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| 06:44.01 | darmou | linux_galore, I thought korea uses CDMA? |
| 06:44.08 | linux_galore | darmou: Next G is a hybrid service, the software network stack is all gsm but the rf is CDMA |
| 06:44.14 | darmou | linux_galore, does'nt the US use it in some places also? |
| 06:44.36 | darmou | oh ok, so telstra can make the most of their existing inferstructure |
| 06:44.39 | linux_galore | darmou: yes it does but not with the 3G data |
| 06:44.54 | linux_galore | and @ 800mhz |
| 06:46.00 | linux_galore | darmou: you can see the logic, they already had a cdma network and they needed a mobile data service that worked over long distances, gsm is ok for voice so why not use the CDMA inferstructure for the data |
| 06:47.04 | darmou | yep and they shut down CDMA for voice so it's clear for data use only perfect |
| 06:47.08 | linux_galore | darmou: thats why if you look at the specs on allot of phones sold here in AU they have 800GSM not just 800 as in Europe, its a warning for Next G customer that the phones wont work |
| 06:48.07 | linux_galore | ie when you look at the supported frequencies |
| 06:48.24 | linux_galore | for a mobile phone |
| 06:48.27 | darmou | this is like Digital TV all over again. Small country with totally differents standards to rest of world or an unusal combination anywhay |
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| 06:49.34 | linux_galore | darmou: well our problem is lack of population and huge distances, allot of technologies coming out of Asia and Europe just wont fit |
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| 06:50.03 | linux_galore | the underlying technology is great but the rf side is just not going to happen |
| 06:50.43 | darmou | linux_galore, well US has the problem of the huge distances, but the advantage is here most of our population are in the capital cities, much easier to cover. |
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| 06:51.09 | darmou | which is pretty much what 3 hutchinson did just cover the capital cities and that's it |
| 06:51.17 | darmou | then claimed huge coverage |
| 06:51.21 | linux_galore | when you have towns seperated by a 3 hour drive and nothing in the middle accept a handful of people you start to understand the problems |
| 06:52.51 | hads | Um, AU is still using GSM. |
| 06:53.20 | rwhitby | and will be for a long time stil |
| 06:53.22 | rwhitby | l |
| 06:53.46 | hads | Yeah |
| 06:54.05 | hads | Just because they are using '3G' data doesn't mean they aren't still using GSM |
| 06:54.17 | darmou | rwhitby, I'm not sure if it will be as long as you think, given most networks are shutting down GSM non 3g networks |
| 06:54.35 | rwhitby | darmou: please give a reference for that assertion |
| 06:55.24 | rwhitby | (as I don't believe it, unless you have some facts that I don't know about) |
| 06:56.26 | darmou | rwhitby, http://apcmag.com/6525/telstra_softens_its_iphone_criticism |
| 06:57.15 | hads | That's just data |
| 06:57.21 | rwhitby | darmou: where in that article does it say that GSM/GPRS or EDGE is being dropped? |
| 06:58.02 | hads | GSM will be around for an age. |
| 06:58.24 | rwhitby | darmou: when the GSM coverage maps at http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_au.shtml start to reduce in size, I'll start to take notice of what you're asserting. |
| 06:59.19 | darmou | rwhitby, in that link it included 3 which uses 3g so is GSM=3g? |
| 06:59.21 | darmou | as well |
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| 06:59.32 | rwhitby | no |
| 06:59.37 | darmou | just to clarify |
| 06:59.53 | rwhitby | GSM is on 900/1800 in australia |
| 07:00.10 | rwhitby | 3G is on 850 and 2100 (depending on your carrier) |
| 07:00.40 | rwhitby | as you can see, all the carriers (except "3" of course) offer both 3G and GSM. |
| 07:01.16 | darmou | well I seem to remember big anouncements by telstra wanting to consolidate their networks down to one |
| 07:01.22 | Placid | mornin'! |
| 07:01.26 | hads | Maps of AU are amusing with the size of the country vs the size of the populated areas. |
| 07:01.38 | hads | darmou: That will be them ditching CDMA |
| 07:02.03 | rwhitby | darmou: one network == one core network, not one radio access technology. |
| 07:02.29 | darmou | rwhitby, ah ok thanks for clarifying that |
| 07:02.51 | rwhitby | See 3GPP spec 25.401 for the difference ... |
| 07:03.44 | piksi | here's finland: |
| 07:03.46 | piksi | http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=fi&net=t3 |
| 07:03.52 | ScaredyCat | anyone tried building an image recently ? |
| 07:04.13 | rwhitby | In particular Figure 4b of 3GPP TS25.401 V6.7.0 shows how Telstra can have "one network" with both GERAN and UTRAN radio access technologies |
| 07:04.28 | piksi | well ok, finland has 16ppl/km^2 and australia has 2,6/km^2 :-> |
| 07:04.43 | piksi | but well, finland doesn't have deserts |
| 07:04.49 | piksi | so it's a bit uneven comparison |
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| 07:05.06 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: is mokomakefile up to date atm ? |
| 07:05.14 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: I've built both OM2007.1 and OM2007.2 recently |
| 07:05.25 | ScaredyCat | hrrmph :/ |
| 07:05.27 | rwhitby | (OM2007.2 with a different Makefile) |
| 07:05.38 | jgm | rwhitby: care to share that makefile? :) |
| 07:05.52 | Basheri | i tried, but i ran out of diskspace :F |
| 07:06.10 | rwhitby | jgm: sure: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile - type "make openmoko" |
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| 07:06.29 | ScaredyCat | dagnabit |
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| 07:06.37 | jgm | rwhitby: and that makes OM2007.2? |
| 07:06.42 | rwhitby | (that's the NSLU2-Linux "Master Makefile", where the concepts for the MokoMakefile were refined over the last two years) |
| 07:06.46 | rwhitby | jgm: yep |
| 07:06.49 | ScaredyCat | openmoko or openmoko-image ? |
| 07:07.12 | jgm | Great, thanks |
| 07:07.14 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: those two are the same target |
| 07:07.28 | ScaredyCat | ok, so that'll fail too then ;) |
| 07:07.40 | rwhitby | Note that you should use a completely different directory tree - don't mix it with a MokoMakefile tree. |
| 07:07.51 | jgm | Pah :/ |
| 07:07.55 | rwhitby | (I use /home/slug and /home/moko respectively) |
| 07:08.14 | rwhitby | and you will need to rebuild everything from scratch, cause it's a different ABI |
| 07:08.22 | rwhitby | and gllin won't work on OM2007.2 ... |
| 07:08.31 | jgm | What's the space requirement (roughly speaking)? |
| 07:08.49 | rwhitby | should be about the same as an OM2007.1 build |
| 07:08.56 | ScaredyCat | gah |
| 07:09.49 | ScaredyCat | minie fails on uicmoc4-native-4.3.0 |
| 07:09.55 | ScaredyCat | mine even |
| 07:10.07 | rwhitby | ah, I dist-upgraded from Sarge to Etch to fix that one. |
| 07:10.13 | ScaredyCat | just because , rwhitby |
| 07:10.32 | ScaredyCat | that's no small fix! |
| 07:11.00 | doc|home | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_american_union |
| 07:11.07 | doc|home | it's a redirect |
| 07:11.25 | rwhitby | x11proto-core-dev don't exist in Sarge, so there was no other way |
| 07:11.29 | doc|home | er, sorry, wrong channel :/ |
| 07:12.01 | rwhitby | OM2007.2 fails to build on CentOS 4, however. So I can only recommend Debian Etch for building both OM2007.1 and OM2007.2 |
| 07:12.12 | ScaredyCat | omg |
| 07:12.28 | linux_galore | although 3 hours is nothing, I talked to a farmer were he had to install a webcam on one side of his station to watch the cattle at a watering hole, it takes him 7 hours to drive to it |
| 07:13.04 | ScaredyCat | I can see it now.... being forced to use ubuntu |
| 07:13.13 | linux_galore | lol |
| 07:13.15 | rwhitby | ~convert 100000 acres to hectares |
| 07:13.22 | ScaredyCat | got a buildhost rwhitby? |
| 07:13.24 | rwhitby | ~convert 1000000 acres to hectares |
| 07:13.25 | linux_galore | the evil Ubuntu bots will get you |
| 07:13.46 | rwhitby | that's how big some cattle stations are in Australia |
| 07:14.13 | rushforth | ive been trying to build OM-2007.2 here on arch.. keeps failing on gtk+ |
| 07:14.31 | rushforth | found a bug in openembedded that a fedora user posted that seems to be the same.. |
| 07:14.44 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: OM2007.2 is currently building on the nslu2-linux autobuilder, and when it finishes the images and packages will be uploaded to the nslu2-linux world-wide package mirrors |
| 07:14.50 | linux_galore | yeah, we have cattle stations bigger than wales/england/scotland combined |
| 07:14.51 | rushforth | anyone experienced gtk+ failing on 2007.2? |
| 07:15.02 | rwhitby | rushforth: yeah gtk+ fails on CentOS 4 for me |
| 07:15.16 | rushforth | rwhitby: nice that im not along :) |
| 07:15.21 | rushforth | ^along^alone |
| 07:15.28 | ScaredyCat | it fails on everything except ubuntu... it's an ubuntu virus ;) |
| 07:15.50 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: works fine on Debian Etch |
| 07:15.53 | rushforth | rwhitby: fwiw: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2708 |
| 07:16.20 | linux_galore | ScaredyCat: heh, there are a fair few people who work for Ubuntu who are ex Gnome dev people |
| 07:16.23 | ScaredyCat | that's just ubuntu with a different coat on |
| 07:16.34 | rwhitby | rushforth: yeah, same error here |
| 07:16.53 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: I think the derivation is in the opposite direction ... |
| 07:16.59 | ScaredyCat | I know... |
| 07:17.19 | ScaredyCat | but debian users are usually rabid debian users... I was teasing |
| 07:17.27 | piksi | linux_galore: if you think .au is big, try russia ;-) |
| 07:17.28 | linux_galore | Im on Ubuntu gutsty, fun and games |
| 07:17.30 | rwhitby | One thing I've learnt in open source is to always use the same distro as the core team when trying to build something |
| 07:17.52 | linux_galore | piksi: Russia and Canada have very similar problems as AU |
| 07:18.14 | rwhitby | Since the only GUI app I use in Linux is Emacs, and I only use that through an ssh window, I have no alliance with any distro in particular ... |
| 07:18.29 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: yeah, but that's usually debian.. or more ubuntu ... both of which are the spawn of satan |
| 07:18.41 | hads | *yawn* |
| 07:18.41 | linux_galore | Emacs, an OS needing a kernel |
| 07:18.59 | jgm | ScaredyCat: don't rush to ubuntu (feisty) it has the wrong version of monotome from the looks of things |
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| 07:19.11 | rwhitby | linux_galore: Emacs, the OS independence layer ... |
| 07:19.21 | ScaredyCat | I don;t want to go anywhere near it jgm :) |
| 07:19.59 | linux_galore | wonder if anyone will port poko to OM |
| 07:20.12 | ScaredyCat | --08:19:10-- http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile |
| 07:20.19 | ScaredyCat | is that right rwhitby? |
| 07:20.41 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: that's the mokomakefile, for OM2007.2 |
| 07:20.46 | rwhitby | oops, OM2007.1 |
| 07:20.53 | ScaredyCat | ok, good.. |
| 07:20.58 | ScaredyCat | did it move or somehting? |
| 07:21.02 | linux_galore | I can see the elite OM users all only using command line apps and bagging the UI people |
| 07:21.11 | rwhitby | no, that's it's SCM location |
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| 07:21.35 | ScaredyCat | faurry muff |
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| 07:21.52 | linux_galore | no woking furries |
| 07:22.08 | rwhitby | the published location just redirects to there, so that I can repoint it to projects.openmoko.org when that site ever gets stable enough to use. |
| 07:22.29 | linux_galore | Im out, time to head off |
| 07:22.29 | ScaredyCat | ahhh ok got it |
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| 07:22.36 | ScaredyCat | hadn't noticed... |
| 07:22.41 | ScaredyCat | the redir |
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| 07:25.38 | rwhitby | OM2007.2 images should appear in http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ in a few hours or so |
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| 07:31.54 | rwhitby | (ipkg.nslu2-linux.org is in the same datacenter as master.kernel.org) |
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| 07:39.29 | ScaredyCat | good stuff.... thanks |
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| 07:46.14 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:47.54 | darmou | TRIsoft, are you THE TRIsoft of Zaurus fame? |
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| 07:50.42 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/osuosl/IMG_2047 <- nslu2-linux.org at the top, master.kernel.org at the bottom. mythtv.org in the middle. |
| 07:51.04 | rwhitby | (ka6sox is the nslu2-linux infrastructure manager) |
| 07:51.07 | daxxar | Hm, what causes the neo to discharge when it's off? |
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| 07:51.26 | ScaredyCat | I hope that's not your house |
| 07:51.44 | TRIsoft | darmou: Yep, i guess we're :D |
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| 07:52.53 | darmou | TRIsoft, cool |
| 07:53.00 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: that's at OSUOSL. Here's our new autobuilder that will be installed next month: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/Cheli/DSCN0399 |
| 07:53.37 | rwhitby | that one will have 2 NSLU2's embedded into it (for native builds) |
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| 07:55.39 | darmou | jgm I'm using Ubunutu with openembedded but using a direct download of monotone not the standard old one that comes with Ubuntu |
| 07:55.59 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: very impressive... |
| 07:56.15 | darmou | for some reason Ubuntu does not have the latest versions of some dev tools:( |
| 07:58.04 | hrw|gone | daxxar: such as? |
| 07:58.27 | daxxar | hrw: I mean, I turned off my Neo last night, disconnected, and I woke up, and it refused to boot. |
| 07:58.37 | daxxar | s/and I/and when I/ |
| 07:58.52 | hrw | 08 09:56 < darmou> for some reason Ubuntu does not have the latest versions of some dev tools:( |
| 07:59.01 | hrw | I was talking about this |
| 07:59.05 | daxxar | hrw: Right, use the right nick, then. ;-) |
| 07:59.21 | daxxar | (I don't read minds) |
| 08:00.07 | hrw | ops.. tab completion... |
| 08:00.09 | hrw | sorry |
| 08:00.23 | hrw | darmou: tools such as? |
| 08:00.30 | darmou | hrw, monotone |
| 08:00.36 | Basheri | :o |
| 08:01.04 | hrw | darmou: monotone 0.26+ is ok |
| 08:01.09 | Basheri | and gutsy has dependency problems with monotone :P |
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| 08:01.28 | barmeier | moin |
| 08:01.36 | rwhitby | oh, hang on, I just upgraded to etch on the builder. so I use 0.31 now. |
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| 08:01.56 | darmou | hrw, I have had problems with Ubuntu's version of monotone in the past which is why I complite from source now |
| 08:02.20 | jgm | feisty uses 0.31 but the nslu2-linux-mtn that was downloaded seems to be an older version so needs upgrading (which is fine, but regenerating the roster is a killer) |
| 08:02.21 | darmou | hrw, but it's good to know other people will not be bitten by that gotcha |
| 08:02.28 | rwhitby | OE releases monotone database snapshots for 0.29 through 0.35 |
| 08:02.44 | Mukunda | darmou: you use ubuntu, have you got openmoko built with mokomakefile?? I'm having a lot of problems getting that done. |
| 08:02.46 | rwhitby | jgm: just get one from http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ instaed |
| 08:03.10 | Basheri | Mukunda: I use ubuntu and mokomakefile works fine |
| 08:03.21 | darmou | Mukunda, sorry I'm using openembedded for Zaurus stuff |
| 08:03.34 | jgm | rwhitby: willdo, thanks |
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| 08:04.30 | darmou | Mukunda, I'm looking to get an openmoko device when it becomes consumer level release |
| 08:04.43 | Mukunda | Basheri: when did you build it? Because I've been trying all day, it's gotten pretty far, but died on this bluez-utils thing. |
| 08:04.55 | Mukunda | Yeah, same here. Waiting for wifi and video acceleration hardware. |
| 08:05.16 | Basheri | i tried yesterday, but i ran out of disk space |
| 08:05.45 | Basheri | mut it was somewhere at the end of 'make qemu' |
| 08:05.48 | hrw | rwhitby: nslu project db has more merges then OE one often |
| 08:05.49 | Basheri | *but |
| 08:06.09 | rwhitby | hrw: true |
| 08:06.24 | rwhitby | hrw: but shouldn't that sync back |
| 08:06.50 | rwhitby | (we do have some other branches, but those are small enough that an mtn pull from the nslu2-linux server would get them) |
| 08:07.36 | hrw | rwhitby: montone 0.36 has server hook to notify when sync is needed - worth trying |
| 08:08.01 | Mukunda | Well here is my latest error message, don't know if it'll help much. http://rafb.net/p/l9ztSZ16.html |
| 08:09.07 | rwhitby | Mukunda: looks like it's trying to link an i686 libusb with an arm bluez-utils |
| 08:09.32 | rwhitby | I would suggesting doing a make package-clean-* on libusb and bluez-utils |
| 08:10.08 | rwhitby | and removing any local modifications you have made |
| 08:10.15 | Mukunda | rwhitby: thanks! |
| 08:10.20 | Mukunda | I've made none. :-\ |
| 08:10.24 | Mukunda | I can't program, heh. |
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| 08:24.44 | PBeck | hi |
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| 08:35.56 | daxxar | svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused |
| 08:35.58 | daxxar | Anyone getting this? |
| 08:36.24 | daxxar | bitbake, hm |
| 08:36.46 | ScaredyCat | same here |
| 08:37.13 | daxxar | Hm, guess they're having downtime. *tries to find a status update* |
| 08:38.01 | daxxar | Hm, websvn is working, so I guess it's just the svnserve being offline. |
| 08:39.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 08:39.28 | Mukunda | Hmm, in local.conf what should I have for BUILD_ARCH? |
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| 08:40.10 | daxxar | Mukunda: i686 |
| 08:40.16 | daxxar | Assuming you're on an x86 |
| 08:40.28 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
| 08:40.29 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera |
| 08:40.32 | Mukunda | Yes, hmm. |
| 08:41.27 | ScaredyCat | Gizmhail thinks that No. in the first list, means 'No I don;t want' |
| 08:41.49 | daxxar | Haha |
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| 08:45.43 | ScaredyCat | Mukunda: what is your build arch? |
| 08:46.05 | ScaredyCat | i686? |
| 08:46.59 | Mukunda | Yup. |
| 08:47.13 | Mukunda | Core duo, so still i686 I believe. |
| 08:47.52 | ScaredyCat | so it's just i686 then |
| 08:48.11 | ScaredyCat | BUILD_ARCH = "i686" |
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| 08:48.19 | Mukunda | I'll clean it all and try building again. Hrmmm. I don't see why it would be different. |
| 08:48.23 | Mukunda | Yeah, that's what I had. |
| 08:49.31 | ScaredyCat | or `uname -m` |
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| 08:56.03 | goxboxlive | stefan_schmidt: what is the status of the ficphone dialer? I tested the updated source on magician now, and even the phone alert is working now. |
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| 09:00.01 | Mukunda | ScaredyCat: this is what confuses me. |
| 09:00.02 | Mukunda | OE Build Configuration: |
| 09:00.02 | Mukunda | BB_VERSION = "1.6.9" |
| 09:00.02 | Mukunda | OE_REVISION = "<unknown>" |
| 09:00.02 | Mukunda | TARGET_ARCH = "arm" |
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| 09:00.14 | Mukunda | Sorry for the spam... But local.conf has i686... |
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| 09:00.37 | ScaredyCat | target arc is what you aim to run it on... |
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| 09:02.01 | xkr47 | hehe, I wrote a perl script to track the ups status and post it to irc whenever it changes ;) |
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| 09:02.23 | Mukunda | ScaredyCat: oh, hrmm, will mokomakefile build qemu to? I thought that this would run on x86. |
| 09:02.30 | ScaredyCat | so it'll never post then xkr47 ;) |
| 09:02.46 | mbuf | Mukunda, yes |
| 09:02.57 | xkr47 | maybe they delay the delivery by 5 minutes for each status request ;) |
| 09:03.36 | ScaredyCat | yes make qemu |
| 09:03.56 | mbuf | quick question, is gforge under free/open source license? |
| 09:03.58 | goxboxlive | but still it seems like there is some dbus issues with the dialer |
| 09:04.10 | ScaredyCat | xkr47: can't you get the sms notifications? |
| 09:04.29 | xkr47 | do they deliver worldwide ? |
| 09:04.49 | xkr47 | I didn't bother checking, assumed it was some US only service |
| 09:06.36 | XorA | UPS != USPO |
| 09:07.35 | Mukunda | Fark, I did make clean-package-* re-ran the thing, and it still fails on bluez-utils |
| 09:08.14 | xkr47 | XorA, am I supposed to be able to parse that?-) |
| 09:08.38 | daxxar | Where's the menu for openmoko-panel (?) located? |
| 09:08.42 | daxxar | (the one in the top left) |
| 09:08.43 | xkr47 | USPO: no such variable |
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| 09:19.46 | daxxar | Woot, PAN + forwarding works fine! |
| 09:20.03 | daxxar | Now I have a mobile network that's properly routed from the local network |
| 09:21.46 | ScaredyCat | shame the browser crashes all the time |
| 09:22.06 | ScaredyCat | berlios still farked? |
| 09:23.16 | daxxar | YEs |
| 09:23.35 | ScaredyCat | :'( |
| 09:25.19 | ScaredyCat | who said germans were efficient |
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| 09:27.27 | Mukunda | Well this is just becoming depressing, any ideas? http://rafb.net/p/W7gPlx55.html |
| 09:28.22 | florian | good morning |
| 09:28.41 | mdt | do a `file /home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib/libusb.so` |
| 09:29.11 | daxxar | Hrm, the dropbear ssh client doesn't default to an identity file |
| 09:29.15 | mdt | it is probably for x86 |
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| 09:32.51 | daxxar | s#$HOME/id_rsa#$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa# |
| 09:32.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | whoa, I have finally 2007.2 (OM/OE HEAD) images which work in qemu. Anybody want em? |
| 09:34.56 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: ping |
| 09:34.56 | fgau | Dmitry_Platonov: yes please |
| 09:35.08 | Mukunda | mdt: oh, it's a symbolic link. |
| 09:35.09 | Mukunda | /home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib/libusb.so: symbolic link to `libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4' |
| 09:35.16 | Mukunda | Not sure where that's located though. |
| 09:35.23 | mdt | same dir |
| 09:35.24 | Mukunda | It's not on the host is it? |
| 09:35.30 | Mukunda | Hmm not there then. |
| 09:35.53 | Mukunda | Oh yes it is. |
| 09:35.57 | mdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.21 | Mukunda | mukunda@mukunda-laptop:~/moko$ file /home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4 |
| 09:36.24 | Mukunda | /home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 09:36.25 | Dmitry_Platonov | fgau, where to host? |
| 09:37.36 | Mukunda | mdt: okay, so it should be for arm right? How could I fix that? |
| 09:38.07 | fgau | Dmitry_Platonov: moment, I'll prepare ... |
| 09:38.50 | mdt | Mukunda, what did u try to do? |
| 09:39.39 | Mukunda | mdt: nothing, I'm just using mokomakefile |
| 09:39.50 | Mukunda | I've just followed the instructions. |
| 09:39.53 | mdt | Mukunda, 'nothing'? hm.... |
| 09:40.16 | Mukunda | Well make openmoko-devel-image |
| 09:40.19 | Mukunda | And then sat back. |
| 09:40.36 | Mukunda | After following the previous instructions to install the tools needed to bootstrap it. |
| 09:42.02 | mdt | Mukunda, worked for me. have you done a `cd build; . ../setup-env; cd ..`? |
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| 09:42.20 | Mukunda | Oh, no. |
| 09:42.28 | mdt | Mukunda, if so you can use bitbake directly... |
| 09:42.37 | mdt | Mukunda, you don't need for mokomakefile |
| 09:43.01 | mdt | Mukunda, after doing that you can do a `bitbake libusb` |
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| 09:44.38 | daxNeo73 | ;-) |
| 09:44.54 | Mukunda | Thanks. |
| 09:46.51 | daxxar | How do I instruct MokoMakefile / bb to build a package from the official OE repo? Can I do that easily? |
| 09:48.17 | fgau | Dmitry_Platonov: http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/Ftp |
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| 09:55.49 | daxxar | Ah, DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS. |
| 09:55.50 | daxxar | :-) |
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| 09:56.06 | fgau | Dmitry_Platonov: yes the have limited; but I have now acces to ftp://81.163.50.240 |
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| 09:57.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | fgau, may be I'll send via email? |
| 09:58.22 | Dmitry_Platonov | ftp://81.163.50.240 tells me:10 users (the maximum) are already logged in, sorry |
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| 10:02.32 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: Do you want someone to host your qemu image? |
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| 10:14.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, OM image, not qemu. It just works in qemu ok. And yes, I'd like someone to host it. |
| 10:17.03 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: ftp://daxxar.slask.no/uploads/ |
| 10:18.53 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, thanks. Uploading. |
| 10:19.10 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: Let me know when it's done, and I'll move it to http://daxxar.slask.no/om/ |
| 10:19.16 | daxxar | If that URL is acceptable. ;-) |
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| 10:20.04 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, perfectly acceptable. |
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| 10:29.57 | mickeyl | morning folks |
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| 10:33.53 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, done |
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| 10:36.51 | fgau | mickeyl: moin moin |
| 10:37.12 | mickeyl | :) that's the proper way of saying good morning |
| 10:37.29 | mickeyl | even here in Hessen we'd like to say that |
| 10:38.07 | fgau | and in Hamburg also ;) |
| 10:39.30 | mickeyl | for sure. that's where it comes from doesn't it? |
| 10:39.31 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] |
| 10:40.29 | fgau | yeah, openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070808091924.rootfs.jffs2 is ready for flashing |
| 10:40.39 | mickeyl | wait |
| 10:40.46 | fgau | thx for the patch mickeyl |
| 10:40.46 | mickeyl | do you have a brand new today2 build? |
| 10:41.01 | mickeyl | oh it's from OM |
| 10:41.05 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: Did you finish upload? |
| 10:41.18 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, yes. |
| 10:41.27 | daxxar | uboot too? o.0 |
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| 10:42.01 | Dmitry_Platonov | uboot is optional |
| 10:42.33 | daxxar | http://daxxar.slask.no/om/ |
| 10:43.02 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, thanks |
| 10:43.46 | Dmitry_Platonov | kinetic scrolling thingie is cool. |
| 10:44.42 | xkr47 | is the pen strong enough to budge it ?-D |
| 10:45.53 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: 'tis a pleasure. |
| 10:46.31 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: If you need anything updated or anything else hosted, just dump it in uploads and poke me on IRC (or email me at daxxar ___AT___ daxxar.com, or jorgen ___AT___ devsoft.no) |
| 10:46.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, ok. |
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| 11:04.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden |
| 11:04.10 | Dmitry_Platonov | please check permissions |
| 11:04.13 | daxxar | My bad, sec |
| 11:04.30 | daxxar | I was changing apache config, so probably moved the files as root ;-P |
| 11:04.43 | daxxar | Oh, right, I moved them, so they've got anon privs. |
| 11:05.20 | daxxar | Right, there |
| 11:05.27 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: gu |
| 11:05.32 | fgau | daxxar: thx |
| 11:06.01 | Elrond | Hi Dmitry_Platonov! |
| 11:06.13 | Dmitry_Platonov | Hi Elrond! |
| 11:06.24 | ScaredyCat | that build still fails, but with 'no rule' errors |
| 11:06.59 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: what build is that? |
| 11:07.12 | ScaredyCat | slug of om2007.2 |
| 11:08.48 | Elrond | Oh, buildhost is finally back. :) |
| 11:09.43 | Dmitry_Platonov | Elrond, any progress with HH? |
| 11:10.18 | daxxar | Is it common that the neo discharges when it's off? |
| 11:10.50 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: pastebin? |
| 11:11.02 | Elrond | Dmitry_Platonov - Yeah, I finally found some bugs in my init sequence and now I can see say, if a sat is there or not. ;o) |
| 11:11.14 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:11.17 | Elrond | Dmitry_Platonov - When I have more time, I'm going to write a scanner. ;-) |
| 11:11.35 | SpeedEvil | Well - that does give you +-6000Km position or so, just knowing which ones are up :) |
| 11:12.01 | SpeedEvil | Se we just need another 6 orders of magnitude or so. |
| 11:12.11 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/649734 |
| 11:12.11 | Elrond | ;o) |
| 11:13.19 | Elrond | Well, I can probably guess the doppler too, as I will do like 10 doppler measurements per sat and I can do expectation value of the "signal vs. doppler"-'curve'. |
| 11:13.28 | Elrond | (weighted average) |
| 11:14.57 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: no idea - tried it on Debian Etch? ;-) |
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| 11:15.39 | rwhitby | ~lart ScaredyCat |
| 11:15.39 | apt | moos at ScaredyCat |
| 11:16.12 | Elrond | But don't hold your breath. I've currently some other jobs also. ;) |
| 11:16.13 | mdt | how can i cleanup build/tmp from old ipk? |
| 11:16.20 | Dmitry_Platonov | Elrond, please check in your tool to sphyrna when it's done - I'm interested. |
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| 11:18.27 | Elrond | Dmitry_Platonov - Yeah. I'll do that. I'll start by puttin g i the init-sequence. :) |
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| 11:25.46 | Fatal | anyone got a phonenumber to the people trying to charge the CC for the neo's? my bank sucks ass and refuse to tell me what information is missing in the transaction and whomever I got contact via the tracker isn't very forthcomming with the problem either. So I got two sides kind of telling me the same thing over and over :) |
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| 11:26.34 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: Flashing your 2007.2 image now. :-) |
| 11:27.09 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Can't test your hold-button bug on BV3. I have no headet. :-| |
| 11:28.33 | CM | ~fish ScaredyCat |
| 11:28.34 | apt | ACTION slaps ScaredyCat around with a large trout |
| 11:28.39 | CM | :D |
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| 11:31.35 | Basheri | omfg |
| 11:31.41 | daxxar | Hm. I read a post to an ML about screen protectors for the Neo, but I can't find it again. Anyone remember the thread / post I'm talking about? |
| 11:31.49 | Fatal | gah, I bloody hate creditcards :( |
| 11:32.06 | Fatal | never been this hard to get rid of money :D |
| 11:32.14 | mmazur | Yeah. |
| 11:32.18 | SpeedEvil | daxxar: with regards to what? |
| 11:32.31 | SpeedEvil | Get an appropriate sized protector - a little larger than the screen. |
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| 11:32.42 | SpeedEvil | Open neo case, place on front of LCD. |
| 11:32.44 | SpeedEvil | close case. |
| 11:33.18 | mmazur | Good thinking. |
| 11:33.52 | rwhitby | could even be much larger than screen |
| 11:33.56 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: Right, but the post talked about finding a appropriately sized protector. :-) |
| 11:34.07 | daxxar | I was hoping to find a protector, because I'd rather not scratch this fine display. |
| 11:34.11 | mjr | I think that was my post, and talked about trying to find one |
| 11:34.24 | mjr | have not, so far |
| 11:34.26 | daxxar | mjr: Ah, could be. Have you found anything? |
| 11:34.30 | daxxar | Mkay. :-) |
| 11:34.52 | mjr | will probably just get some size, and go with SpeedEvil's suggestion |
| 11:35.04 | Elrond | I started an alike thread a few months ago. |
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| 11:35.51 | Elrond | My suggestion at that time was to let FIC add three to the base pack. Thex can't really be sooo expensive when they buy 3000 for 1000 neos. |
| 11:36.01 | mmazur | Yup. |
| 11:36.20 | mmazur | I don't hinkg dissassembling the neo as a standard operation for clients will get ACKed :) |
| 11:36.23 | daxxar | I actually haven't removed the thin plastic sheet that it came with. :-P |
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| 11:37.11 | mjr | daxxar, me neither... |
| 11:37.19 | CM | Was the first thing I did |
| 11:37.33 | CM | Can't stand those ugly plastic thingies ;) |
| 11:38.10 | mdt | ...and the display is even more briliant without... |
| 11:38.14 | mjr | can stand the thought of scratching the beautiful screen less :] |
| 11:38.25 | CM | Feels like my granma having plastic covers on her "new" sofa |
| 11:38.45 | CM | It's only 15 years since I bought it, I don't want to wear out the fabric.. :P |
| 11:39.06 | daxxar | Mine has started to get a few air bubbles under it, so I guess that'll wreck havoc on touches. |
| 11:39.09 | daxxar | Ooh |
| 11:39.20 | daxxar | 2007.2 has a nice progress-bar for loading. |
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| 11:39.36 | mmazur | Upload images someone. Pleaaaaaase :( |
| 11:40.20 | woglinde | hehe |
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| 11:40.22 | woglinde | build one |
| 11:40.26 | woglinde | you are dev |
| 11:40.32 | woglinde | *duck and hide* |
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| 11:40.40 | mmazur | I'm too busy :( |
| 11:40.45 | mmazur | But I want a toy :( |
| 11:40.46 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:40.50 | mickeyl | all these unofficial images |
| 11:40.56 | mickeyl | can't you wait a couple of days? |
| 11:40.59 | mmazur | I can. |
| 11:41.10 | mickeyl | let me flash one and see whether this is ok for previeing |
| 11:41.10 | mmazur | Assuming there's gonna be something in couple of days :) |
| 11:41.13 | Dmitry_Platonov | mmazur, http://daxxar.slask.no/om/Dmitry_Platonov |
| 11:41.40 | mmazur | Any sense of upgrading uboot? |
| 11:41.43 | mmazur | *in |
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| 11:41.46 | Dmitry_Platonov | no |
| 11:41.52 | mmazur | vs the default one |
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| 11:42.11 | Dmitry_Platonov | if your working fine. then no |
| 11:42.28 | mickeyl | well, there has been an important bugfix a couple of days ago |
| 11:42.30 | Elrond | mmazur - Rule 1: Don't touch u-boot. Rule 2: go to 1 |
| 11:42.38 | mickeyl | so i would recommend updating it if you have a debug board |
| 11:42.46 | mmazur | Yeah. I'll upgrade when I'll be near someone with a debug board. |
| 11:42.53 | Elrond | mickeyl - Which bugfix? |
| 11:43.04 | mickeyl | Elrond: hold on, i'll get ya the nubmer |
| 11:43.08 | daxxar | Hm |
| 11:43.28 | Hadaka | is there an officially built u-boot which has the fix included? |
| 11:43.39 | Hadaka | I'm not going to flash u-boot without that, but I would need the fix |
| 11:43.59 | daxxar | It's really shiny, and intuitive. I like 2007.2 |
| 11:44.01 | Elrond | mickeyl - bug #419 ? |
| 11:44.08 | Dmitry_Platonov | I do not think there are any 2007.2 official images yet. |
| 11:44.13 | daxxar | Though the scrollbar was tiny (didn't work here) |
| 11:44.19 | mickeyl | yes |
| 11:44.21 | mickeyl | !ombug 419 |
| 11:44.22 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 419, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown |
| 11:44.23 | cdbot2 | * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: dfu download doesn't clean jffs2 partition |
| 11:44.24 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=419 |
| 11:44.32 | Hadaka | mickeyl: oh btw, I'm not 100% certain, but I think some of my openmoko-today crashes may have been exactly because of u-boot problem |
| 11:44.41 | mickeyl | ya |
| 11:44.50 | mickeyl | all kinds of things can happen if the jffs2 is corrupt :/ |
| 11:44.50 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, there is kinetic scrolling |
| 11:45.06 | woglinde | mickeyl hehe |
| 11:45.09 | Hadaka | daxxar: it's not a scrollbar, it's just an indicator to show where you are in the list |
| 11:45.17 | Hadaka | daxxar: just press down anywhere and push down or up |
| 11:45.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2663 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:45.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-08 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 11:45.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-panel.c: (moko_dialer_panel_init), |
| 11:45.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_dialer_panel_pressed): |
| 11:45.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Implement tap-and-hold events for the keys, so you can enter w, + and p. |
| 11:45.36 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-keypad.c: (on_delete_event), (moko_keypad_init): |
| 11:45.38 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Implement tap-and-hold for the delete button, so the holf event will cause |
| 11:45.40 | daxxar | Ooh, cool |
| 11:45.48 | daxxar | Kinetic scrolling is neat, but not very intuitive? |
| 11:46.06 | Elrond | mickeyl - Ahh. I'm waiting for my big to be squashed before considering to update. :) |
| 11:46.20 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, it will be soon |
| 11:46.21 | daxxar | Are you supposed to double-click the icons to start apps? |
| 11:46.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, did you calibrate your tochscreen? |
| 11:47.30 | mickeyl | the kinetic scrolling and launching apps suffers from too much jitter in the ts |
| 11:47.31 | mickeyl | yet |
| 11:47.36 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: Hm, yes, but that was before scrolling. |
| 11:47.42 | daxxar | s/scrolling/flashing/ |
| 11:48.19 | daxxar | Ooh, it defaults to mrxvt? |
| 11:48.36 | mickeyl | daxxar: is that working? i added it, but didn't try yet |
| 11:48.41 | Dmitry_Platonov | in qemu my touchscreen is badly miscalibrated. setting ssh connection to qemu to run calibration |
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| 11:49.01 | daxxar | mickeyl: It seems so, yes. |
| 11:49.08 | mickeyl | daxxar: good. |
| 11:49.16 | Mukunda | How could I go about building bluez-utils if mokomakefile isn't working? I did bitbake bluez-utils and it seemed to complete, then I did make openmoko-devel-image in the hopes that it'd see bluez-utils completed and carry on, but it tried to build bluez-utils and failed again!!! |
| 11:49.49 | woglinde | mukunda haeh? |
| 11:50.21 | Mukunda | Sorry, did that not make sense? |
| 11:50.46 | mdt | Mukunda,do you have a tmp dir the dir where (moko-)Makefile is |
| 11:50.53 | mmp | Mukunda: information density is too high to parse it, for ordinary people:) |
| 11:51.04 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: Hum, I can't shut down. It doesn't respond to the continued pressing of 'POWER', nor can I find any menu for it |
| 11:51.08 | mdt | Mukunda, if so, you env is wrong |
| 11:51.17 | Mukunda | Hrmm. |
| 11:51.24 | mdt | daxxar, press 9sec... |
| 11:51.32 | Elrond | daxxar - ssh into it, "halt" |
| 11:51.32 | Mukunda | it is building in /home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/bluez-util |
| 11:51.42 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, do you have ssh to your neo? |
| 11:51.46 | daxxar | mdt: No go |
| 11:52.05 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: What's the default IP? 192.168.0.202? |
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| 11:52.16 | Psi | daxxar, i was wondering that |
| 11:52.16 | daxxar | That conflicts with my normal IP range, meh :-/ |
| 11:52.27 | Elrond | mdt - I think, the 9sec one can be "stopped" by the kernel somehow. Better docs on the pmu would help. ;) |
| 11:52.28 | Psi | but i just set it to what i wanted instead of trying to figure out what it was |
| 11:52.57 | daxxar | Can't do that, onscreen keyboard borked, so can't configure it. :-P |
| 11:53.02 | mdt | daxxar, set a host route.... |
| 11:53.11 | Psi | heh |
| 11:53.13 | daxxar | mdt: Yep, doing it now |
| 11:53.26 | Elrond | Or use bridging. ;-) |
| 11:53.27 | mdt | daxxar, i had to, too :D |
| 11:53.27 | woglinde | mukunda whats the error exactly? |
| 11:53.35 | woglinde | please use pastbin |
| 11:53.40 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 11:53.40 | apt | methinks pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 11:54.12 | Mukunda | woglinde: http://rafb.net/p/JlyXM679.html |
| 11:54.59 | woglinde | mukunda urgs |
| 11:55.01 | mdt | Mukunda, still x86 format? |
| 11:55.12 | woglinde | the host libusb.so sneaks in |
| 11:55.43 | Mukunda | I like this is the important line. /home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib/libusb.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 11:55.46 | Mukunda | Sorry. |
| 11:55.46 | Mukunda | You got it. |
| 11:55.49 | woglinde | mukunda did you edit the files? |
| 11:55.54 | mdt | woglinde, don't think so - it builds for x86.. |
| 11:56.00 | Mukunda | woglinde: sorry, which files? |
| 11:56.01 | woglinde | be inherit natvie? |
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| 11:56.11 | woglinde | mkunuda the bluez-utils.bb |
| 11:56.27 | Mukunda | Oh, no. I didn't read on the wiki that had to be done? |
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| 11:57.31 | woglinde | hm |
| 11:57.42 | woglinde | I dont know so much about the mokofile |
| 11:57.47 | woglinde | mokomakefile |
| 11:57.55 | Mukunda | Hang on. |
| 11:58.01 | Mukunda | Found something in the discussion page. |
| 11:58.36 | Mukunda | make build-package-libusb; make clean-package-bluez-utils <-- Should apparently fix it, if anyone cares. |
| 11:59.09 | woglinde | but /home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib/libusb.so -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/home/mukunda/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/lib is definetly wrong |
| 11:59.14 | Elrond | Oh, super cool. |
| 11:59.18 | woglinde | try to find where it sneaks in |
| 11:59.21 | mickeyl | hmm, the images are getting scary big nowadays |
| 11:59.26 | mickeyl | 41484288 |
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| 11:59.32 | Elrond | The wiki uses stupid session codes... my browser shows me as "Psi" ;-) |
| 11:59.51 | Psi | lol |
| 12:00.05 | Psi | theif |
| 12:00.11 | Psi | :P |
| 12:00.24 | Dmitry_Platonov | mickeyl, there is qt4 & webkit in newer images |
| 12:00.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | and other stuff |
| 12:00.32 | mickeyl | qt4 no |
| 12:00.34 | mickeyl | webkit, yes |
| 12:00.39 | woglinde | *g* |
| 12:00.39 | mickeyl | + gstreamer |
| 12:00.54 | Elrond | Psi is that in IP from you: 'for user "88.198.62.104"' (just clicked "my watchlist") |
| 12:01.16 | CM | jeddy3: Let me know how it goes :) |
| 12:01.17 | Psi | thats no my i |
| 12:01.20 | Psi | *ip |
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| 12:01.28 | jeddy3 | CM, sure :) |
| 12:01.30 | Elrond | very strange. |
| 12:01.40 | Psi | i start with 58.28 |
| 12:01.50 | Elrond | gamgee:~% host 88.198.62.104 |
| 12:01.50 | Elrond | 104.62.198.88.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mahavidya.openmoko.org. |
| 12:01.52 | Elrond | tihi. |
| 12:01.55 | daxxar | How's one supposed to start the onscreen kb on 2007.2? |
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| 12:02.04 | Psi | its the input manager thingy |
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| 12:02.11 | Psi | then you get the white box at the top |
| 12:02.13 | mdt | does a `make clobber` delete my config? |
| 12:02.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | qt4 is listed as dep of webkit. It inherits qt4x11, but builds without qt4 support |
| 12:02.37 | daxxar | Psi: No way to start matchbox-keyboard from GUI? |
| 12:03.19 | Psi | what do you mean by the matchbox-keyboard |
| 12:03.31 | Hadaka | daxxar: it should be in the openmoko-today application list as input manager |
| 12:03.38 | daxxar | Hadaka: Found it |
| 12:03.47 | daxxar | Psi: ssh in, DISPLAY=:0 matchbox-keyboard |
| 12:03.48 | daxxar | :-) |
| 12:03.54 | Psi | heh |
| 12:04.46 | woglinde | bye |
| 12:05.40 | Mukunda | Well that line seemed to fix it. |
| 12:06.06 | Psi | is there a way to get the font size to a more usable state for the terminal in 2007.2? |
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| 12:07.33 | Elrond | Psi - You didn't find the magnifying glas in the base pack? ;o) |
| 12:07.38 | Hadaka | Psi: not exactly easy if you mean the AlphaOne 2007.2 images - the current OM2007.2 does have proper font size |
| 12:07.57 | Psi | Elrond, mag glass? its to BIG |
| 12:08.24 | Hadaka | (actually, the current one just uses mrxvt and has abandoned gtkterm2) |
| 12:08.40 | Psi | Hadaka, ah, thanks i think im probably on the alpha one |
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| 12:09.21 | Elrond | Hadaka - Does backspace, etc work in mrxvt? |
| 12:09.50 | Hadaka | Elrond: sure |
| 12:10.12 | Hadaka | I would've preferred to have rxvt-unicode there though, but I guess mrxvt is fine for now atleast |
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| 12:11.06 | Hadaka | mickeyl: great scott! is it anything more than a recently built OM2007.2? |
| 12:11.36 | mickeyl | no, that's more or less it |
| 12:11.43 | Elrond | mickeyl - I presume you don't upload .ipks? Only a .jffs2? |
| 12:11.51 | mickeyl | ya, only an imag |
| 12:11.56 | mickeyl | working on something else atm. |
| 12:12.06 | mickeyl | need to complete this basic PM and button handling again |
| 12:12.10 | mickeyl | uah |
| 12:12.17 | mickeyl | mrxvt default font much too tiny |
| 12:12.19 | Hadaka | mickeyl: upload u-boot as well if you can |
| 12:12.28 | Hadaka | mickeyl: yeah, it just picks fixed |
| 12:12.32 | mickeyl | darn |
| 12:12.35 | Elrond | Hadaka - u-boot is on buildhost. |
| 12:12.35 | mickeyl | we can fix that |
| 12:12.42 | daxxar | Haha, got my Neo-SIM now. |
| 12:12.46 | Hadaka | Elrond: something built after the latest fixes? |
| 12:12.59 | daxxar | It came with a written note from the chick at customer service who arranged for me to get it to another address. |
| 12:13.09 | daxxar | s/written/handwritten/ |
| 12:13.13 | Hadaka | mickeyl: if you "fix" that, I will have to configure it back down to be small ;) |
| 12:13.15 | Elrond | Hadaka - 2632 is there, so yes. |
| 12:13.22 | Hadaka | Elrond: oh great |
| 12:13.30 | Elrond | Hadaka - I presume you have a debug board? |
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| 12:13.58 | Hadaka | Elrond: nope |
| 12:14.19 | Hadaka | hmmh, r11 or r12 |
| 12:15.00 | Elrond | Hadaka - Then don't update. |
| 12:15.12 | Elrond | Hadaka - images on buildhost aren't very good tested. |
| 12:16.00 | Hadaka | Elrond: well yeah, I'd like to have an u-boot image that *someone* has atleast tested |
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| 12:16.05 | daxxar | Hm, which direction does the SIM-card go? |
| 12:16.16 | CM | Elrond: IS there any serious issues with the current u-boot in the P1 phones? |
| 12:16.31 | Psi | daxxar, look at the pins , its pretty obvious |
| 12:16.33 | daxxar | Ah, wait, just align the contact area on the card with the connectors on the phone, and there's only one direction. |
| 12:16.36 | daxxar | :-) |
| 12:16.36 | Hadaka | Elrond: the reason I'm so keen on updating that I've already used several hours twice debugging a problem which was fixed with nand erase rootfs |
| 12:16.39 | Elrond | CM - Yes: It doesn't clean rootfs properly before flashing. |
| 12:17.16 | Hadaka | Elrond: and if push comes to shove, I can make puppy-dog eyes at mjr (who I'm meeting tomorrow) to let me use his debug board |
| 12:17.19 | CM | Elrond: Ah.. Ouch. Hmm.. Don't want to update uboot and risk bricking it right away, without any debug board around |
| 12:17.33 | jeddy3 | Elrond, what does that mean, in except? |
| 12:18.06 | Elrond | jeddy3 - I means, that old cruft from your previous fs can leak into a newly flashed trootfs. |
| 12:18.24 | jeddy3 | Elrond, hmm ok |
| 12:18.31 | Hadaka | hmmh, it seems my DPI whine mail is lagging somewhere... perhaps in gmane |
| 12:18.53 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: what for this time? |
| 12:18.54 | jeddy3 | CM, 2007.2 images is working just fine btw |
| 12:19.06 | daxxar | Hmm, P1 Owners list two people with debug boards in norway, one of which is atleast 6 hours drive from here. |
| 12:19.07 | CM | jeddy3: Nice, I'll try as soon as I can |
| 12:19.08 | ScaredyCat | just because... |
| 12:19.18 | ScaredyCat | why do I need QtCore! |
| 12:19.32 | jeddy3 | and 2007.2 is really nice, much better interface |
| 12:19.33 | Elrond | jeddy3 - Just do a "nand erase rootfs" in u-boot before flashing. ;-) |
| 12:19.41 | jeddy3 | Elrond, ah ok |
| 12:19.50 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: howd you build it? |
| 12:19.58 | CM | rwhitby: Hehe |
| 12:20.02 | jeddy3 | xzcvczx, Dmitry_Platonov's images |
| 12:20.05 | Elrond | jeddy3 - See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 12:20.05 | ScaredyCat | # make me-mad |
| 12:20.09 | ScaredyCat | ERROR: Too late |
| 12:20.26 | xzcvczx | rwhitby: cant you make it do something a bit more interesting..... like make computer-go-to-2000-degrees-centigrade |
| 12:20.36 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: you got a link? |
| 12:20.45 | xzcvczx | Dmitry_Platonov: am i able to grab the images |
| 12:20.48 | jeddy3 | xzcvczx, http://daxxar.slask.no/om/ |
| 12:20.51 | rwhitby | # make me-care-about-ScaredyCat's inability to use Debian Etch for his compiles ... |
| 12:21.07 | *** join/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@pD953B17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:21.12 | ScaredyCat | # make like a tree |
| 12:21.26 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: what kernel do they use? |
| 12:21.51 | jeddy3 | 2.6.21-5 |
| 12:21.56 | ScaredyCat | so, cmon rwhitby... why do I need qtcore? |
| 12:22.01 | Dmitry_Platonov | xzcvczx, everything included 8-) |
| 12:22.01 | jeddy3 | there is a kernel in there too |
| 12:22.02 | ScaredyCat | splain that... |
| 12:22.03 | Hadaka | ScaredyCat: "Why don't you make like a tree, and get the fuck outta here?" |
| 12:22.11 | Stephmw | howdy |
| 12:22.50 | Hadaka | ScaredyCat: (A quote from Boondock Saints :) ) |
| 12:23.25 | mickeyl | http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ |
| 12:24.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | flash em all |
| 12:25.25 | Hadaka | Psi: mickeyl's - you'll be the first to test them probably, but I'm guessing those are your best bet :) |
| 12:25.47 | ScaredyCat | 40mb mickeyl? |
| 12:25.56 | aloril | put them all to microsd and them boot randomly from one ;-) |
| 12:26.12 | Hadaka | the new images are 40mb |
| 12:26.14 | xzcvczx | why is the kernel being used with them so "old" |
| 12:26.17 | ScaredyCat | didn't someone have a problem doing >30 odd,,, |
| 12:26.24 | Hadaka | should work fine |
| 12:26.38 | Hadaka | xzcvczx: because openembedded files still use that kernel |
| 12:27.04 | xzcvczx | Hadaka: ahhh i see, thanks |
| 12:27.14 | ScaredyCat | yay, I now have the entire internet on a usb stick. |
| 12:27.26 | *** part/#openmoko jsmanrique (n=jsmanriq@cme-staticIP-212-89-8-169.telecable.es) |
| 12:30.23 | *** join/#openmoko edistar_ (n=edwinloc@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 12:30.36 | mdt | has someone managed a network bluetooth connection via pan? |
| 12:31.26 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: you seem to be under the mistaken impression that the MokoMakefile author actually knows something about what it builds and why it builds it ... |
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| 12:31.33 | ScaredyCat | man that dfu timeout is way to short it;s annoyung |
| 12:31.39 | Elrond | mdt - I think, pavel did. |
| 12:32.04 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: naaa... xzcvczx already said you were a bot |
| 12:32.10 | Hadaka | mdt: yeah |
| 12:32.18 | Hadaka | me and mjr have as well |
| 12:32.41 | ScaredyCat | oh dear... |
| 12:32.52 | rwhitby | poor pussy |
| 12:32.58 | ScaredyCat | End of write exceeds partition end |
| 12:33.14 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: so the images dont work? |
| 12:33.31 | Hadaka | ScaredyCat: for the 40M image? and you have one of the P1 phones? |
| 12:33.35 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 12:34.06 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: mickeyl 's image? |
| 12:34.07 | Hadaka | that's odd - I've never had problems with the 40M+ images |
| 12:34.27 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: yes |
| 12:34.33 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2664 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/ (gtkrc openmoko-dialer): * Set the colours and text-size for the dialer textview. |
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| 12:34.58 | xzcvczx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.08 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 12:37.01 | ScaredyCat | if i leave now we'll pretend that never happend - ok.. |
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| 12:37.54 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: lol let me guess you flashed it into kernel space? |
| 12:38.10 | CM | mickeyl: Nice speed on openmoko.org, got over 2mb/s downloading the jffs2 image :) |
| 12:38.29 | xzcvczx | CM: your lucky i wasn't even getting 100kB/s |
| 12:38.31 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[P1_Owners]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
| 12:38.34 | mickeyl | yeah. iirc it sits in Berlin |
| 12:38.46 | ScaredyCat | I got 1.21jiggawatts |
| 12:39.12 | ScaredyCat | well, I did next week. |
| 12:39.20 | xzcvczx | cmon flash already dammit |
| 12:39.32 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: so was that the case you tried flashing it into kernel space? |
| 12:39.40 | mdt | Hadaka, did you write a wiki? |
| 12:40.02 | Hadaka | mdt: nope, since it is already in the wiki |
| 12:40.06 | ScaredyCat | no,no... I didn't try that at all... but that's wht my neo decided it would do.... honest |
| 12:40.09 | Hadaka | mdt: bluetooth support IIRC |
| 12:40.35 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: lol i was thinking that would be easy to do |
| 12:41.04 | ScaredyCat | I was merely cleaning the kernel space beforehand... |
| 12:41.07 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: i am thinking of making a wrapper script which just goes off name or something that you give it to flash and will be like um are you sure you want to do this if it doesnt think its right |
| 12:41.29 | ScaredyCat | yeah... |
| 12:41.44 | xzcvczx | and that you dont need to run all the options for all the time |
| 12:41.55 | ScaredyCat | my heart kinda stopped when it said something like 'bad magic number' ,,, |
| 12:42.01 | xzcvczx | like ./dfu-util rootfs blah.jffs2 |
| 12:42.02 | mdt | Hadaka, just found it |
| 12:42.04 | ScaredyCat | then i looked at the command |
| 12:42.13 | mdt | Hadaka, thanks... |
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| 12:42.27 | ScaredyCat | yeah... names |
| 12:42.32 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: the magic number is 42 |
| 12:42.54 | ScaredyCat | done! |
| 12:43.00 | ScaredyCat | tada! |
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| 12:43.27 | ScaredyCat | tis not timeing out now tho |
| 12:43.32 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: and make it like if you go ./dfu-util kernel blah.jffs2 it will be like are you sure you want to flash this 40mb file as the kernel |
| 12:43.45 | xzcvczx | wow fancy its got graphical boot |
| 12:43.55 | ScaredyCat | well, more like 'hey dimwit, that wont fit' |
| 12:44.10 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: lol gotta be nice to people |
| 12:44.12 | ScaredyCat | oooh silent |
| 12:44.25 | ScaredyCat | no dancing penguin :( |
| 12:44.30 | xzcvczx | pity its not like if you tap the screen it makes it loud |
| 12:44.35 | xzcvczx | s/loud/verbose |
| 12:44.42 | ScaredyCat | what? |
| 12:44.44 | ScaredyCat | hh |
| 12:44.46 | ScaredyCat | aa |
| 12:44.51 | ScaredyCat | sound ? |
| 12:44.52 | xzcvczx | ??? |
| 12:44.55 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 12:45.27 | xzcvczx | hmmm it unfourtunately isnt very accurate progress bar on first boot |
| 12:45.27 | ScaredyCat | this has turned into an expensive way to play map |
| 12:45.41 | xzcvczx | to play map? |
| 12:45.51 | ScaredyCat | the game - map |
| 12:45.59 | ScaredyCat | slow boot... |
| 12:46.17 | ScaredyCat | press + then scroll down |
| 12:46.34 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: huh |
| 12:46.35 | ScaredyCat | find map |
| 12:46.36 | Psi | has anyone flattened their laser pointer batteries yet? |
| 12:46.37 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2665 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/ (buttonactions.c neod-main.c): neod: read from all input devices, remove reading environment variable |
| 12:46.53 | xzcvczx | Psi: lol i have no cat to annoy with it so i havent used it much\ |
| 12:47.03 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: is yours booted yet? |
| 12:47.09 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 12:47.21 | ScaredyCat | I'm playing map again |
| 12:47.25 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: hmmmm mine might have fooked oop |
| 12:47.33 | ScaredyCat | mine looked bad |
| 12:47.46 | ScaredyCat | but it takes a while to do the first screen properly |
| 12:47.49 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: is there anyway to verbose it |
| 12:48.24 | mickeyl | ? |
| 12:48.30 | mickeyl | you want to see boot messages again? |
| 12:48.31 | ScaredyCat | the boot |
| 12:48.33 | mickeyl | ipkg remove psplash |
| 12:48.42 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 12:48.46 | mickeyl | might add changing that via CMDLINE later |
| 12:48.46 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: lol no i think its crashed on the boot |
| 12:48.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | xzcvczx, there is verbose output on serial console, I guess |
| 12:49.09 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: maybe can you make it that if you hit the aux button during boot it changes to verbose |
| 12:49.37 | mickeyl | xzcvczx: good idea. feel free to add that to bugzilla as feature wish |
| 12:49.45 | Psi | hehe im watching back to the future 1 on the neo |
| 12:49.52 | Psi | well.. a clip from it |
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| 12:51.47 | Stephmw | mickey|DIY: woo! does this mean you're working on getting that V12 into the Neo case? |
| 12:53.07 | mickey|DIY | hahaha, not quite. bought myself some new metabo drill hammers which i want to try out |
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| 12:54.05 | hrw | drill needed to make some holes in case for exhaust ;) |
| 12:54.17 | ScaredyCat | there's a bit of a problem |
| 12:54.23 | ScaredyCat | where's the keyboard |
| 12:55.06 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: at least yours booted..... mine didnt even start ssh |
| 12:56.19 | ScaredyCat | oooo animated outgoing call... |
| 12:56.25 | ScaredyCat | shme it doesnt work |
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| 12:58.03 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: I don't want to rub it in...I've booted twice |
| 13:00.10 | daxxar | Is gsmd going to be the way applications interact with gsm, or is there going to be another layer? |
| 13:00.25 | xzcvczx | daxxar: libgsmd??? |
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| 13:01.16 | Hadaka | whee - since it's going to take a bit for this phone to actually be usable as a phone + gprs |
| 13:01.39 | Hadaka | I decided to configure it to use the internet by using gprs over bluetooth from my other phone |
| 13:01.43 | Hadaka | works great! |
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| 13:03.41 | xzcvczx | 2nd time unlucky as well |
| 13:03.45 | xzcvczx | might have to do a reflash |
| 13:03.59 | xkr47 | Hadaka :O |
| 13:04.02 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: can you paste in md5 of uImage/jffs2 |
| 13:04.13 | ScaredyCat | sure |
| 13:04.46 | xkr47 | funny how nowadays you don't need to copy&paste anymore, just paste :) |
| 13:04.52 | ScaredyCat | e573826b72867f17e34a2bcb01927ac5 uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin |
| 13:05.08 | ScaredyCat | 7285ae6a88f934b6c387f2ddc8bbe50d OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-.dev-snapshot-20070808-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 13:05.26 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@72.168.202.219) |
| 13:05.34 | ScaredyCat | I found the keyboard! |
| 13:05.49 | ScaredyCat | you just have to start it manually.. |
| 13:06.21 | ewon | can someone tell me what the last email to the community list was? I think my mailserver is borked |
| 13:06.29 | mjr | Hadaka, well that's one way to get GPRS and voice simultaneously :] |
| 13:06.35 | *** join/#openmoko jick (n=jick@211.143.236.85) |
| 13:06.45 | Hadaka | mjr: true ;) |
| 13:07.30 | xzcvczx | how do you connect to the bootloader? |
| 13:07.37 | Hadaka | I wonder how to get this feedreader to fetch something |
| 13:07.47 | CM | Should I install picocom or minicom, any difference? |
| 13:08.11 | ScaredyCat | did you reflash yet xzcvczx? |
| 13:08.30 | zedstar | the changes in version of rootfs images on chooseopen.com, is the any documentation of the changes between version or is a case of suck it and see? |
| 13:08.32 | Hadaka | or perhaps that's not implemented yet... |
| 13:09.24 | CM | zedstar: You could try http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ |
| 13:09.45 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: doing so now |
| 13:10.04 | Hadaka | so, somebody got mickeyl images working? no problems? |
| 13:10.21 | ScaredyCat | yes.. me |
| 13:10.37 | zedstar | thanx CM not tried those out yet |
| 13:10.43 | ScaredyCat | ok, so you can have more than one keyboard onscreen at the same time. |
| 13:10.44 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 13:11.03 | Hadaka | ScaredyCat: yeah ;) kill the other mbinputmgr processes if you started many by accident ;) |
| 13:11.11 | CM | zedstar: Me neither ;) |
| 13:11.24 | zedstar | CM u flash first then i flash mine ;) |
| 13:11.55 | CM | zedstar: I will, as soon as I can. Still at work, and I have a visitor when I get home |
| 13:12.08 | Hadaka | I wonder what prevent switching to other tasks from today |
| 13:12.17 | zedstar | no docs tho about the differences so i guess just have to try |
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| 13:13.28 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: you used kernel from mickey|DIY's site? |
| 13:13.32 | squalyl | hello |
| 13:13.33 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 13:13.41 | Tyrae1 | boot? |
| 13:13.46 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 13:13.53 | Tyrae1 | x si ok? |
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| 13:14.43 | squalyl | I guess the list server is broken, right? |
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| 13:15.02 | Hadaka | lists seem a bit iffy right now - and gmane mirrors of them seem lagging as well |
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| 13:15.39 | Tyrae1 | I haven't tried that. I compile that images in the night: boot ok (with splash screen) but on X I have only some icons of the status bar. no menu, no application, black background ecc |
| 13:15.41 | freelock | I'm missing fonts, on mickeyl's images |
| 13:16.01 | xzcvczx | Dmitry_Platonov: how can i see the output thats on the serial console |
| 13:16.37 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: did you clear you kernel flash before you installed if so how? |
| 13:17.03 | ScaredyCat | I tried to install the root filesystem on it... remember |
| 13:17.08 | Hadaka | freelock: have you had large images installed before? did you erase rootfs before flashing? |
| 13:17.30 | Tyrae1 | only the rootfs flash need sometimes to be erased before flashing a new image. Kernel flash no. |
| 13:17.30 | freelock | I didn't erase the rootfs, no |
| 13:17.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | xzcvczx, not sure. I saw it in qemu. Do you have dev board? |
| 13:17.56 | Hadaka | freelock: might want to try that, just in case |
| 13:18.03 | freelock | Not really sure how big the biggest image I've flashed is... nothing more than a stock image, or regular build from mokomakefile... |
| 13:18.12 | freelock | I'll try that... |
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| 13:19.43 | xzcvczx | Tyrae1: yeah i thought that was the case but this damn thing just wont boot |
| 13:20.03 | xzcvczx | and its crashing well not even holding power button works i have to fully take out the battery |
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| 13:20.21 | ScaredyCat | it doens;t work for me either xzcvczx |
| 13:20.33 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: what doesnt work for you either? |
| 13:20.35 | ScaredyCat | you power it off by removing hte battery.. |
| 13:21.03 | Hadaka | to shut down the new images, start keyboard, start terminal, type halt |
| 13:21.36 | xzcvczx | Hadaka: oh so holding power button for 10ish seconds doesnt work any more? |
| 13:22.21 | Hadaka | xzcvczx: nope |
| 13:22.47 | ScaredyCat | no xzcvczx |
| 13:22.53 | xzcvczx | oh ok |
| 13:23.01 | Hadaka | xzcvczx: power stuff is being worked on by the devs now, so I guess that should start working again soonish |
| 13:23.09 | xzcvczx | ah ok |
| 13:23.24 | ScaredyCat | 0m2007.2 is pretty n all, but om2007.1 is more functional |
| 13:24.10 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: you should probably clear the nand first |
| 13:24.11 | Hadaka | ScaredyCat: what's more functional in OM2007.1? except the power button ofcourse |
| 13:24.29 | ScaredyCat | gsm, gps |
| 13:25.01 | freelock | Hadaka: nand erase rootfs sufficient? |
| 13:25.10 | Hadaka | ScaredyCat: you have P0? or how is GPS working? |
| 13:25.12 | Hadaka | freelock: yes |
| 13:25.18 | freelock | Thanks |
| 13:25.18 | ScaredyCat | P1 |
| 13:25.30 | Hadaka | ScaredyCat: so where did you get gllin binary? :) |
| 13:25.43 | ScaredyCat | I have no recollection of that at this time |
| 13:25.50 | Hadaka | okay |
| 13:26.07 | ScaredyCat | I don't hve a gllin |
| 13:26.18 | Hadaka | ScaredyCat: so how can GPS work? |
| 13:26.19 | xzcvczx | is there any other way to log into the moko instead of ssh |
| 13:26.47 | rwhitby | gllin won't work on OM2007.2, will it? |
| 13:26.51 | rwhitby | (wrong ABI) |
| 13:26.55 | Hadaka | rwhitby: nope |
| 13:27.50 | mmazur | Yup. |
| 13:28.19 | mmazur | :) |
| 13:28.44 | xzcvczx | ah crappin beephole |
| 13:28.53 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: |
| 13:28.58 | ScaredyCat | before you go |
| 13:29.10 | rwhitby | yes ... |
| 13:30.08 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/649858 |
| 13:30.11 | xzcvczx | can i do anything useful with port 111? |
| 13:30.24 | rwhitby | oooh - progress bar on boot with OM2007.2 latest |
| 13:30.49 | xzcvczx | rwhitby: yeah but no way to see why its stuffed up |
| 13:30.52 | *** join/#openmoko helb (n=helb@84.244.90.159) |
| 13:31.52 | rwhitby | gotta love that tiny tiny house icon |
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| 13:32.59 | Fatal | ARGH |
| 13:33.19 | xkr47 | rwhitby, feels like home ?-) |
| 13:33.26 | Fatal | FIC don't use the full security protocol used by mastercard so they can't bill me |
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| 13:33.42 | xkr47 | what is that ? |
| 13:34.05 | ScaredyCat | 3d auth ? |
| 13:34.06 | xzcvczx | rwhitby: did it work for you |
| 13:34.19 | rwhitby | yep |
| 13:34.32 | ScaredyCat | mmmm |
| 13:34.49 | xzcvczx | crap |
| 13:34.52 | Fatal | xkr47: the banks choose what level of security they require, some banks don't require the full specs, mine aparently does, and they're wankers. just had a long frustrating chat with some suit there |
| 13:35.07 | xkr47 | :/ |
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| 13:35.33 | xkr47 | Fatal, so what would FIC have needed to do for it to work out.. ? verify your identity even further ?-P |
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| 13:35.39 | mdt | if i changed my rootfs on the neo, can i read the rootfs out of the neo with dfu-util to flash it later? |
| 13:35.41 | xkr47 | or check with the bank when ordering.. |
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| 13:36.37 | ScaredyCat | root@fic-gta01:~$ ls |
| 13:36.38 | ScaredyCat | gdb |
| 13:36.38 | ScaredyCat | root@fic-gta01:~$ ./gdb |
| 13:36.38 | ScaredyCat | sh: ./gdb: not found |
| 13:36.38 | Fatal | it's part of the transfer protocols and whatnot, the missing informationfields for the transfer (which i FINALLY managed my bank to tell me) are dataelement042 subelement42 of security level indicator |
| 13:36.43 | Fatal | I FUCKING HATE MY BANK |
| 13:36.46 | Fatal | *gnn* |
| 13:37.07 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: yeah i got same when i tried to install nano |
| 13:37.07 | xkr47 | :O |
| 13:37.23 | ckuethe | symlink? |
| 13:37.26 | Fatal | "give them my money" "- no they don't use the full protocol" "its my money, give it to them" "- no we can't do that" "so you're telling me the bank decides what I can use my money for?" |
| 13:37.28 | mdt | ScaredyCat, do a `file gdb` |
| 13:37.42 | Fatal | then he started stuttering |
| 13:37.44 | mdt | ScaredyCat, is it a shell-script with widows newlines? ;) |
| 13:37.48 | Fatal | flaming retards :( |
| 13:37.52 | xkr47 | :O |
| 13:37.56 | ScaredyCat | root@fic-gta01:~$ file ./gdb |
| 13:37.56 | ScaredyCat | sh: file: not found |
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| 13:38.03 | ckuethe | watch it be a symlink to .obj/gdb because libtool will relink at install |
| 13:38.07 | ckuethe | ls -l ./gdb |
| 13:38.11 | mdt | ScaredyCat, on the host... |
| 13:38.32 | xkr47 | Fatal, have you been in touch with FIC ? |
| 13:38.34 | mdt | ScaredyCat, may also be a x86 executable |
| 13:38.39 | ScaredyCat | it's not |
| 13:38.54 | ckuethe | i'm pretty sure you'd get a different error if it was |
| 13:38.56 | mdt | ScaredyCat, but windows-linefeeds in shell scripts are also doing so |
| 13:39.02 | ScaredyCat | I built it and put it on my sd .. |
| 13:39.10 | ScaredyCat | it works fine on om2007.1 |
| 13:39.15 | Fatal | xkr47: yes, they are almost as bad, "we tried, didn't go through, no you are not allowed to call us, we need the info in the tracker" ... |
| 13:39.20 | ScaredyCat | I don;t use windows |
| 13:39.27 | Fatal | damnit this is a depressing and frustrating day |
| 13:39.30 | mdt | ScaredyCat, good guy |
| 13:39.56 | mdt | ScaredyCat, is your sd vfat? |
| 13:40.09 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 13:40.15 | mdt | ScaredyCat, don't know if that is something... |
| 13:40.29 | ScaredyCat | but I've copied to root partiton and chmod+x 'd it too |
| 13:40.29 | xzcvczx | dammit the only port i have open on my moko is 111 |
| 13:40.48 | xkr47 | Fatal, any possibility to get any progress on this? :P |
| 13:41.03 | mdt | ScaredyCat, out of ideas |
| 13:41.11 | ScaredyCat | yeah me too :( |
| 13:41.25 | Fatal | no idea, took me 2 whole days to get the bank to give me the information what was missing, and FIC probably left the office now |
| 13:41.32 | mdt | ScaredyCat, copy to host and do a `file ...` |
| 13:41.42 | ScaredyCat | locate gdb |
| 13:41.45 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 13:42.18 | xkr47 | Fatal, I really hope it works out for you! |
| 13:42.42 | ScaredyCat | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, stripped |
| 13:42.49 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: you just used the commands on Flashing the 1973 to flash it i assume? |
| 13:43.14 | mdt | ScaredyCat, maye it does not find the initial shared lib |
| 13:43.22 | ScaredyCat | ./dfu-util -a 5 -R -D OpenMo.... |
| 13:43.26 | ScaredyCat | and |
| 13:43.37 | ScaredyCat | ./dfu-util -a 3 -R -D uImage.. |
| 13:43.56 | ScaredyCat | yeah.. rather a strange error though mdt |
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| 13:46.24 | ScaredyCat | mdt: http://pastebin.ca/649870 |
| 13:46.25 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: yeah no matter what i tried with nano i got the same |
| 13:48.46 | mdt | did the /lib/ld..so change? |
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| 14:03.01 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: ln -s ld-linux.so.3 ld-linux.so.2 |
| 14:03.20 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: ahhh i see |
| 14:05.13 | ScaredyCat | but that's just the start :( |
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| 14:09.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2666 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-dialer: * Fix dialer display font sizes |
| 14:09.43 | xzcvczx | sweet erasing the flash fixed all |
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| 14:14.50 | ScaredyCat | so my little 'accident' actually helped me? |
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| 14:18.27 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: i dunno |
| 14:18.36 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: but potentially |
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| 14:28.43 | xzcvczx | wow nice..... |
| 14:31.59 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 14:32.26 | xzcvczx | has anyone else tried getting 1973 working with windows? |
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| 14:35.55 | cayco | s |
| 14:36.28 | cayco | s/s// ;) |
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| 14:39.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Risto]] |
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| 14:50.32 | thomasg__ | hm, any mailinglist problems with gmail again? |
| 14:58.50 | mbuf | when doing ssh -l root -X -v phone, can i also specify the X displaly size and how it should be viewed? xrandr -o 1 makes it landscape view on the phone, but, on the GUI that is viewed through ssh |
| 14:59.40 | mintee | uh |
| 14:59.42 | mintee | Dear Jimmy, |
| 14:59.42 | mintee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.42 | mintee | Your credit card has been rejected by our epayment system. The credit |
| 14:59.42 | mintee | card was denied. Please send your new credit card information with |
| 14:59.42 | mintee | encrypted zip file. Don't send in plain text regarding to security issue. |
| 14:59.43 | mintee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.45 | mintee | Thanks in advance. |
| 14:59.53 | mintee | encrypted zip? |
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| 15:00.04 | mmazur | :) |
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| 15:00.51 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 15:01.09 | SpeedEvil | I know zip is insecure if you have knowledge of the 13 first bytes of the file. |
| 15:01.36 | mintee | yeah, i don't know what he's talking about. |
| 15:01.51 | LarstiQ | gpg encrypted zipfile? |
| 15:01.53 | SpeedEvil | I suppose it is secure against automated spammers. |
| 15:02.02 | SpeedEvil | zip supports encryption. |
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| 15:02.56 | mintee | LarstiQ, then he'd have to have the public key as well |
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| 15:04.31 | mintee | xzcvczx, headers are coming from orders@openmoko.com |
| 15:04.55 | mbuf | how can i make the landscape (xrandr -o 1) view on the phone, appear on the desktop in landscape mode when i do (ssh -l root -X -v phone) |
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| 15:05.15 | LarstiQ | mintee: a public key for orders@openmoko.com doesn't sound that difficult, and imho the intended audience should be able to cope with that |
| 15:05.16 | mickey|DIY | mbuf: export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 15:06.44 | mbuf | mickey|DIY, that is already set on the desktop before i ssh into it; |
| 15:06.49 | mintee | LarstiQ, hate to sound like a weetard, but what can i use to make a gpg zip file |
| 15:07.42 | LarstiQ | mintee: nevermind that, if the other end is not set up for it (they're not seemingly), it won't work. So it's a hypotheical better solution right now |
| 15:07.46 | mickey|DIY | mbuf: ah. i guess it's not possible then. the X server does the rotation. |
| 15:07.56 | mbuf | mickey|DIY, i see |
| 15:08.01 | mickey|DIY | mbuf: you would need Xvnc or something like that then |
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| 15:09.30 | mbuf | mickey|DIY, when you want to do presentations, and you want to show the phone GUI to the projector, something like this will help; |
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| 15:11.31 | mintee | meh... whatever. I'll send it. If I notice anything phishy about it card that I'll dispute and cancel it. |
| 15:11.34 | mbuf | mickey|DIY, lol, simply resizing the window on the desktop works; thanks |
| 15:11.38 | thomasg__ | how can bitbake know that it has to use the task-openmoko.bb when I do a bitbake openmoko-devel-image? |
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| 15:11.46 | mickey|DIY | heh, fair enough |
| 15:12.00 | mickey|DIY | thomasg__: read openmoko-image.bb |
| 15:12.05 | xzcvczx | mintee: i am just saying it sounds like a phishing scam based on how it is written althought i very much doubt it is |
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| 15:13.40 | xzcvczx | mickey|DIY: i assume that ipkg upgrade was not the best idea with your rootfs? |
| 15:13.43 | mintee | xzcvczx, no i agree, that's why i went back thru the headers. It seems legit, unless they have relaying on their mail server, but that's very doubtful. Like I said, I'll keep an eye out on the card |
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| 15:14.33 | mickey|DIY | xzcvczx: actually i have no idea which feed it is tuned to. but no, there are no upgraded packages and there is no released feed compatible with my image. |
| 15:14.35 | Fatal | heh, if you gave them the correct info in the first place, the showstopper is probably your bank, I'm going through that process now, my bank refuse to give FIC any money :/ |
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| 15:14.50 | Fatal | mintee: ^ |
| 15:14.53 | xzcvczx | mickey|DIY: oops hmmmmm will have to go reflash then :S |
| 15:15.18 | xzcvczx | Fatal: threaten to sue them for withholding your money :P |
| 15:15.59 | mintee | Fatal, nah, i told william lai that I lost my wallet in coney island a few weeks ago and canceled all my cards. |
| 15:16.07 | mintee | so i had to get a new one |
| 15:16.29 | mintee | i pretty much new this was going to happen even though my CC company promised the transaction would go thru |
| 15:16.32 | mintee | *sigh* |
| 15:16.43 | Fatal | xzcvczx: heh, its for my protection they require that all CC transactions are using the complete protocol with the whole security level whatnot, shame that whatever FIC use don't follow the complete specs :/ |
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| 15:16.58 | Fatal | xzcvczx: nothing stopping me from switching banks, but that'll take another week :/ |
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| 15:18.01 | xzcvczx | lol its good when you have a lot of business with the bank.... as soon as you threaten to switch banks they will offer you half the money in the safe to stay :P |
| 15:18.53 | Fatal | sadly my wealth isn't more than a politicians monthly salary, so have no leverage |
| 15:19.14 | xzcvczx | Fatal: actually you are more popular if you owe them money |
| 15:19.48 | Fatal | then they could help me out and let FIC have some of my money then |
| 15:19.49 | Fatal | :D |
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| 15:23.06 | mbuf | is anyone able to edit the wiki? i try to login, it logs me in, when i edit, it asks me to login again! |
| 15:23.58 | ben_goodger | mbuf: cookies |
| 15:24.16 | ben_goodger | cookies are oxygen to mediawiki... |
| 15:25.00 | mbuf | ben_goodger, i see |
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| 15:25.33 | xzcvczx | and rm -rf / is the carbon monoxide |
| 15:27.24 | mbuf | ben_goodger, i have them enabled |
| 15:27.34 | ben_goodger | sorry |
| 15:28.29 | mbuf | ahh ok, need to check the box |
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| 15:34.16 | rschuster | how can I see that my neo actually charges? |
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| 15:35.18 | simon__ | counter? |
| 15:35.18 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1796;252) |
| 15:36.37 | rschuster | simon__: well its connected through USB |
| 15:36.44 | aloril | rschuster: find / | grep batt |
| 15:37.04 | aloril | and then: cat various files there |
| 15:38.14 | aloril | you can also look at /proc/bus/usb/devices in PC to verify that its allowed to use 500mA |
| 15:38.16 | rschuster | aloril: well. the problem is I just got the phone and it does not power on. I read about the deep discharge thing where I have to wait 12hours. But I want to know whether it really does this |
| 15:38.48 | aloril | ah, without some meter you can't know :-( |
| 15:39.06 | aloril | you could meter batter voltage periodically too though |
| 15:39.29 | aloril | PC is going to offer it only 100mA in this stage |
| 15:39.32 | SpeedEvil | The safest way to make sure it's charging from my investigations. |
| 15:39.45 | SpeedEvil | Remove battery for 30s. |
| 15:39.57 | SpeedEvil | put back battery, plug into USB |
| 15:40.07 | SpeedEvil | this should ensure that nothing is on that shouldn't be. |
| 15:40.27 | SpeedEvil | And all the power will go into charging the battery. It will be under 100mA though. |
| 15:42.13 | rschuster | ok |
| 15:43.38 | aloril | 4h should be enough to turn it on and then continue charging with 500mA |
| 15:43.44 | aloril | maybe even 0.5h in some cases? |
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| 15:44.17 | rschuster | since the neo has no charger and I dont want to have my computer on for 12 hours. will an externally powered hub work that is not connected to a USB host work as well? |
| 15:44.59 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: Some of my charge wierdness the other day was due to a bad cable - prevented enumeration. |
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| 15:46.08 | mrface | rchuster: I don't know, it's strange. I tried to charge it with my RAZR wall charger and I don't think it worked. |
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| 15:46.37 | Writchie | I haven't found the USB chargers to work yet either. |
| 15:46.48 | mmazur | No? |
| 15:46.49 | Writchie | except maybe 40ma |
| 15:46.50 | mmazur | Hmm. |
| 15:47.03 | Writchie | it |
| 15:47.06 | aloril | rschuster: yes |
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| 15:47.30 | Writchie | it is supposed to detect a 48k ohm DC impedence to go into charge |
| 15:47.57 | aloril | rschuster: to get external USB charger to charge at 500mA you need to add entry to u-boot menu (see [[Bootloader]] page at wiki) |
| 15:48.40 | aloril | and if you remove that blacklight part, then you can even boot it after setting fast charge and use it and it will charge it fully |
| 15:48.53 | aloril | at least with my dumb USB charger |
| 15:49.26 | Writchie | you can't get into uboot with a dead battery? |
| 15:49.33 | mbuf | the make-buildpackage-myhellworld will only call do_compile() ? |
| 15:49.37 | aloril | (Convertec, designed for GPS mapping stuff) |
| 15:49.55 | aloril | (TomTom, Garmin, etc..) |
| 15:49.58 | mbuf | *make build-package-myhelloworld |
| 15:51.13 | aloril | Writchie: yeah, you can't get to u-boot with dead battery: you need to wait enough time for enough charge |
| 15:51.36 | aloril | see what SpeedEvil said earlier |
| 15:52.24 | Writchie | I had two devices running overnight - both connected to same USB charger |
| 15:52.44 | Writchie | one seems to have crashed. It now has a dead battery drawing 490ma |
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| 15:52.54 | mrface | aloril: so it looks like we just need to get into the u-boot command-prompt and type "neo1973 charger autofast" |
| 15:52.58 | Writchie | no really dead, because it booted. |
| 15:53.26 | mrface | or "neo1973 charger fast" |
| 15:53.28 | Writchie | the other unit which didn't crashed is now drawing 360ma, |
| 15:55.12 | Writchie | also, all this stuff about meeting USB specs is bs. Once they enumerate, they will draw whatever they can - despite USB resets |
| 15:57.09 | mrface | oooh, there's lots of cool stuf to do from the u-boot command-prompt. can't wait to clock up to 266 Mhz |
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| 16:01.59 | cayco | shouldn't the topic be set "Neo1973 - sold out!" ;-) |
| 16:02.19 | rschuster | cayco: there aren't sold out |
| 16:02.32 | aloril | cayco: its just 'delayed' ;-) |
| 16:02.33 | rschuster | cayco: http://jouston.no-ip.com/archives/000230.html |
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| 16:02.43 | PBeck | re |
| 16:03.02 | cayco | yeah i know, but technically it's sold out now :) |
| 16:03.05 | aloril | if you read order page you see that you can order |
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| 16:03.26 | aloril | well, technically it was sold out about 2 days after it became available ;-) |
| 16:03.40 | cayco | nevermind, it just struck me as i entered here ;) |
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| 16:04.23 | cayco | has any of you tried 'inertial' application list browsing in 2007.2? it's great! |
| 16:04.58 | rschuster | thanks all. the phone has booted! |
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| 16:08.23 | xzcvczx | cayco: no what is intertial? |
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| 16:09.28 | xzcvczx | inertia rather |
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| 16:10.41 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: don't tll me you havent seen it? |
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| 16:18.29 | mbuf | when you follow Application Development Crash Course ($OMDIR/local/packages) from the wiki, where do the .ipk packages get finally stored? |
| 16:18.50 | Kliment_ | mine is arriving tomorrow :) |
| 16:19.22 | mrface | I believe it should be $OMDIR/build/tmp/deploy/arm4t/ipk/ |
| 16:19.39 | mrface | or maybe switch the arm4t/ipk, this is from memory |
| 16:20.54 | mbuf | mrface, ok got, had to clean it to rebuild it |
| 16:21.18 | mrface | good |
| 16:22.35 | mbuf | mrface, ipkg install/remove optinos are? |
| 16:23.00 | mrface | that I don't know, all I've done is install/remove |
| 16:23.36 | mbuf | mrface, cool, install works, thanks |
| 16:23.58 | mrface | mbuf: no problem |
| 16:24.27 | mrface | mbuf: does your application have a menu? |
| 16:26.52 | mbuf | mrface, nope, why? |
| 16:27.06 | mbuf | mrface, just trying hello world |
| 16:27.06 | mrface | does anyone else have problems using menus on their apps on the Neo? Whenever I try to open the menu in my app, it crashes |
| 16:27.36 | mbuf | mrface, did you use existing demo code, or wrote your own? |
| 16:28.02 | mrface | mbuf: I modified existing code from the finger demo |
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| 16:28.10 | noon | hello |
| 16:28.17 | mrface | mbuf: it just uses GtkMen/MenuItem |
| 16:28.22 | mbuf | world? |
| 16:28.30 | mbuf | mrface, i see |
| 16:28.30 | mrface | haha |
| 16:28.54 | mrface | mbuf: It doesn't look like libmokoui has it's own menu objects |
| 16:29.08 | noon | pH5: hello |
| 16:29.16 | pH5 | hej noon |
| 16:29.27 | noon | pH5: i have some stuff for you |
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| 16:29.47 | noon | pH5: and some questions to the arm assembler |
| 16:30.24 | mbuf | mrface, have you built an .ipk? i can test it on my Neo and let you know? |
| 16:30.37 | noon | pH5: do you come to the other #? |
| 16:30.37 | mrface | mbuf: yes.. I can just give you the bitbake recipe and you can build it. maybe something is wrong with my build process |
| 16:32.34 | mbuf | mrface, i haven't updated moko build for more than a week; builds get distrupted quite often |
| 16:33.07 | mrface | mbuf: so you would rather I send an .ipk? |
| 16:33.34 | mrface | mbuf: I am not acquainted with the dcc thing, can you tell me how? |
| 16:34.02 | mbuf | mrface, its easier to do ipk install .ipk and remove .ipk; or if it is a build issue, i can try with my old build and rule out the build problem |
| 16:34.07 | mbuf | mrface, e-mail me |
| 16:34.19 | mrface | ok |
| 16:35.01 | mrface | well, if I can scp my .ipk from home... it's really slow because I'm doing a big upload at home |
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| 16:37.52 | mrface | dammit, the connection timed out. trying again |
| 16:38.32 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Neo1973_Robustness]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 16:39.29 | mrface | mbuf: may have to wait 'til the afternoon after the upload is complete |
| 16:39.45 | mrface | mbuf: well, my afternoon |
| 16:40.10 | mbuf | mrface, ok |
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| 16:41.29 | squalyl | hi |
| 16:42.05 | mrface | mbuf: thanks for the help, this issue has been plaguing me for days. revision 23 would at least open the dialog, but now with revision 27 it segfaults before getting that far. it runs fine when compiled for i686, but has crashiness all over the place when compiled with bitbake. are there things i need to change in the code to make it work on the arm processor? |
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| 16:43.35 | mbuf | mrface, np; let me see; there were lot of changes to the build; and it kept breaking things; so once i got a build, i stopped updating it |
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| 16:45.33 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 16:46.32 | ScaredyCat | did someone break the openmoko svn server? |
| 16:46.37 | ScaredyCat | svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default' |
| 16:46.37 | ScaredyCat | svn: Can't find a temporary directory |
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| 16:47.19 | kemp|plex | hey guys... having some trouble with my spiffy new GTA01 |
| 16:47.29 | kemp|plex | when i start cu, it hangs at "Connected" |
| 16:47.44 | kemp|plex | tried the stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts magic, no luck |
| 16:47.45 | mdt | kemp|plex, send it to me ;) |
| 16:47.59 | kemp|plex | oh |
| 16:48.00 | kemp|plex | wait |
| 16:48.01 | kemp|plex | haha |
| 16:48.04 | orospakr | Hey, where do a I file a ticket on the store? People were mentioning this on the list bit didn't actually say where to find it. |
| 16:48.06 | kemp|plex | it is working :) the wiki is just misleading |
| 16:48.16 | kemp|plex | echo is off and it doesn't print "AT Command parse ready" |
| 16:48.22 | kemp|plex | but when i typed AT it came back :) |
| 16:48.26 | mdt | ;) |
| 16:48.27 | abraxa_ | orospakr: Ticket? Store? |
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| 16:48.51 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 16:49.07 | ScaredyCat | ATE1 kemp|plex |
| 16:49.18 | kemp|plex | ScaredyCat: yeah thanks |
| 16:49.37 | orospakr | abraxa_: hm, maybe I read it wrong... |
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| 16:50.05 | thomasgruebler | i like you phone and want to ask you if you want to implement wengophone to the neo? |
| 16:50.06 | aloril | thomasgruebler: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 16:50.44 | abraxa_ | thomasgruebler: I doubt anyone is working on that - the focus of the dev team lies on OpenMoko obviously :) |
| 16:50.48 | aloril | that probably isn't in FAQ ;-) |
| 16:51.06 | thomasgruebler | i already searched for voip in the wiki ; |
| 16:51.08 | thomasgruebler | ;) |
| 16:51.41 | thomasgruebler | and is it possible to add skype. to make it possible to install it later (because its not opensource). i think we only need qt4 |
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| 16:52.09 | mjr | it's not |
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| 16:52.32 | mjr | well, conceivably it could be possible to use Nokia's sellout binary |
| 16:52.40 | ScaredyCat | no.. it's illegal to use skype... |
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| 16:53.03 | mjr | dunno which ABI Nokia uses in their N800 though |
| 16:53.04 | ScaredyCat | mainly cos it's a sack of s^*t |
| 16:53.13 | mjr | but they have an ARM binary at least |
| 16:53.15 | mjr | ScaredyCat, *nod* |
| 16:53.16 | jeddy3 | any guide on how to get gps drivers in phase1? |
| 16:54.11 | thomasgruebler | yes i know that because i use debian and it would be illegal to add the non-free sources to the distry for standart. you can add it self then debian has no problems. (sry for my bad english) |
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| 16:55.23 | thomasgruebler | but it would be possible (i think) to add qt4. (i hope we have enough disk space) |
| 16:55.37 | ScaredyCat | has anyone tried to build lately? |
| 16:56.08 | mjr | sure you can add qt, but I hope you remember this isn't an x86 box |
| 16:56.19 | mdt | thomasgruebler, u will run out of mem.... |
| 16:56.29 | kemp|plex | worried now though that rogers is rejecting me... has anyone else got it working on Rogers in Canada? |
| 16:56.30 | thomasgruebler | ok |
| 16:57.04 | mdt | thomasgruebler, and there a open standard to do voip |
| 16:57.25 | mjr | yes, just get with the SIP program. Or even Jingle or whatever. |
| 16:57.37 | thomasgruebler | i know. but many friends have skype. and do you want to add umts or hsdpa? because wlan hotspots are very rare in austria |
| 16:57.39 | ScaredyCat | kemp|plex:do you have a pin on the sim ? |
| 16:57.47 | ScaredyCat | pin enabled |
| 16:57.59 | kemp|plex | ScaredyCat: not to my knowledge... I've never had to enter one on my other phone |
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| 16:58.23 | ScaredyCat | you did an AT+CFUN=1 then AT+COPS |
| 16:58.24 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 16:58.39 | mjr | thomasgruebler, many want to add them. And they will probably come. In much later models. |
| 16:58.50 | thomasgruebler | how much later? |
| 16:58.59 | kemp|plex | ScaredyCat: yep... when i try to dial i get "NO CARRIER" and then after a long time I got an unsolicited "+CREG: 3" |
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| 16:59.23 | ScaredyCat | what are you using to dial? ATD or ATDT ? |
| 16:59.37 | kemp|plex | ATD |
| 16:59.53 | ScaredyCat | k... might be worth resetting with an ATZ |
| 16:59.55 | thomasgruebler | i want to buy this phone. i need a new one because the connector, headset is broken and it shut's down when i write sms. :D but i can wait a bit |
| 17:00.00 | mjr | thomasgruebler, nobody but the core team has any idea. Dunno if they have much either. |
| 17:00.03 | kemp|plex | AT+COPS |
| 17:00.07 | kemp|plex | +CREG: 1,"1B6C","8AAA" |
| 17:00.07 | kemp|plex | +CTZV: 105 |
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| 17:00.21 | kemp|plex | ATD5198803416 |
| 17:00.22 | kemp|plex | %CPI: 1,8,0,0,,,,,,,0 |
| 17:00.22 | kemp|plex | NO CARRIER |
| 17:00.22 | ScaredyCat | AT+CREG=2 |
| 17:00.34 | mjr | thomasgruebler, "not within a year" would be a very very safe bet. In fact, wanna take it? :] |
| 17:00.37 | thomasgruebler | i think i know how i can help you. i search for a free umts module or so. |
| 17:00.45 | ScaredyCat | if you do an AT+COPS? (include the ? ) |
| 17:00.56 | kemp|plex | +COPS: 0,0,"Rogers Wireless |
| 17:01.03 | thomasgruebler | i wouldn wait a year. i will take the umts free version |
| 17:01.08 | ScaredyCat | so you're reg'd with the network at least |
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| 17:01.15 | kemp|plex | which looks promising... but no can dial... and when i call the phone i get my voicemail (and no ring notice on the openmoko) |
| 17:01.27 | thomasgruebler | only the money is the current problem but i think it should be possible then. |
| 17:01.50 | ScaredyCat | does it expect the full dial code kemp|plex? |
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| 17:02.15 | ScaredyCat | I know my UK sim in .nl doesn't want +31 for numbers in .nl |
| 17:02.25 | kemp|plex | ScaredyCat: i tried several variants of the number... and i'm not sure why it wouldn't allow calls anyway, even if i can't dial |
| 17:02.27 | mrface | !logs |
| 17:02.28 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 17:02.29 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 17:02.30 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 17:02.31 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 17:02.33 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 17:02.33 | ScaredyCat | ,, |
| 17:03.05 | ScaredyCat | mickey|DIY: put down that hammer ;) |
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| 17:10.30 | mickey|DIY | right |
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| 17:15.14 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 17:15.20 | ScaredyCat | ll done then mickeyl? |
| 17:15.23 | ScaredyCat | all |
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| 17:17.41 | kemp|plex | hrm... just buggy i guess... i managed to get a call to go to the device (AT+CCFC=4,0 to disable call forwarding I guess?) |
| 17:17.46 | kemp|plex | but now most commands are returning errors :S |
| 17:17.53 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 17:20.28 | PBeck | thomasg__: query? |
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| 17:23.36 | ferric | moop. |
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| 17:24.04 | thomasg__ | PBeck, whats up? |
| 17:24.20 | PBeck | thomasg: a german talk ;) |
| 17:24.31 | PBeck | perhaps we should use the german channel? |
| 17:24.41 | thomasg | good idea :) |
| 17:24.49 | thomasg | #neo1973-germany |
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| 17:30.14 | woglinde | lol |
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| 17:32.03 | rushforth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.13 | woglinde | nothing found |
| 17:32.20 | rushforth | heh, whoops |
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| 17:35.08 | ScaredyCat | uboot not building again ? |
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| 18:09.51 | SpeedEvil | ? |
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| 18:10.22 | ScaredyCat | you tried a buld recently ? |
| 18:10.25 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 18:10.30 | ScaredyCat | s/buld/build/ |
| 18:10.40 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 18:13.58 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 18:14.06 | kemp|plex | should i be using the builds from openphone as opposed to buildhost? |
| 18:16.49 | jcazor | hi |
| 18:17.47 | jcazor | im trying to make a call using openmoko-dialer, but it doesnt work, but with libgsmd-tool i can |
| 18:18.01 | jcazor | anyone has this problem? |
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| 18:23.07 | Quintano | Faggot I am. Prepare your asses... |
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| 18:26.41 | ScaredyCat | openphone kemp|plex? |
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| 18:27.11 | Quintano | ScaredyCat: no, OpenMoko suxx! |
| 18:27.57 | chiprunner | last |
| 18:30.03 | kemp|plex | ScaredyCat: sorry chooseopen i mean |
| 18:30.17 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 18:32.29 | chiprunner | So what is the longest battery life anyone has gotten out of one of these things so far? |
| 18:32.29 | aloril | chiprunner: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:33.32 | SpeedEvil | chip: some 40h, in suspend |
| 18:34.29 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management |
| 18:35.29 | chiprunner | SpeedEvil: and you can still receive calls in that mode? |
| 18:36.00 | SpeedEvil | yes - it should be configurable to wake - not at the moment |
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| 18:36.36 | chiprunner | Has anyone set up a comprehensive pm app beyond what I get when I hold the power button down (which hasn't been the most reliable anyway)? |
| 18:37.01 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 18:38.01 | SpeedEvil | It will happen - there are things with higher priority though. |
| 18:38.51 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973_case_schematics]] [[Manually_using_SMS]] [[Server:Proxy]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Neo1973:GTA01:Kernel]] [[Carriers]] [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[Carriers/ATT]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Switzerland]] and other changes |
| 18:39.06 | chiprunner | Yeah, it would be nice to have a little more intelligence in mixer control, I've gotten a couple of call attempts that caused a lot of feedback. |
| 18:41.58 | Stephmw | rschuster: nice screenshots! |
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| 18:47.11 | SpeedEvil | The mixer has plenty of intelligence. |
| 18:47.20 | SpeedEvil | There are 90 some individual mixers. |
| 18:47.37 | SpeedEvil | and dozens of ways to route audio round the device. |
| 18:47.48 | thomasg | after lowering the master control from 100 to 94 the feedback on calls was gone |
| 18:48.11 | SpeedEvil | To do some things will require more hardware. |
| 18:48.12 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 18:48.15 | SpeedEvil | software |
| 18:48.41 | SpeedEvil | For example, speakerphone will require noise cancelling software. |
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| 18:49.13 | Quintano | SpeedEvil: would you like to feel my bunghole, eh? |
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| 18:53.22 | chiprunner | SpeedEvil, I think there's plenty of possibility in the mixer, I meant that we need a layer above it to check and verify appropriate settings for standard user tasks. |
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| 18:54.41 | chiprunner | These could obviously be changed easily for specific tasks that developers want to instrument, but I admit I sometimes wish the phone had worked a little better OOB. |
| 18:57.36 | ScaredyCat | I has a brokenmoko |
| 18:57.51 | Basheri | :F |
| 18:57.54 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: Have you ever looked at WML |
| 18:58.07 | Writchie | regarding compression |
| 18:58.44 | Basheri | Stephmw: what screenshots? :P |
| 18:59.05 | Basheri | :O |
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| 19:03.39 | Stephmw | Basheri: http://www.fsfe.org/en/fellows/robertschuster/weblog/gnu_classpath_openmoko_screenshot_time |
| 19:03.49 | Basheri | thx |
| 19:04.29 | Basheri | nice indeed =) |
| 19:09.49 | thomasg | how big is the partition for the rootfs on the NAND? |
| 19:10.34 | rschuster | thomasg: 61.1M |
| 19:11.33 | rschuster | thomasg: if you use the emulator you can make it bigger easily (see openmoko-devel) and have a bit of GTA02 feeling ;) |
| 19:11.47 | thomasg | hehe |
| 19:11.49 | ScaredyCat | wiki busticated |
| 19:11.58 | thomasg | 60 mb sounds good |
| 19:12.12 | thomasg | I'm building a image containing e-x11 (e17 and efl) right now |
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| 19:12.28 | Basheri | sounds cool |
| 19:12.39 | thomasg | and I feared it wouldn't fit on the nand (om2007.2 standard has 40 mb) |
| 19:13.46 | ScaredyCat | I flashed a 40mb image today thomasg ... |
| 19:13.52 | ScaredyCat | but I can't roll back :( |
| 19:14.35 | thomasg | what do you mean with roll back? |
| 19:15.10 | ScaredyCat | go back yo om2007.1 |
| 19:15.16 | ScaredyCat | s/yo/to/ |
| 19:15.24 | thomasg | but why not? |
| 19:15.33 | a1r | does anyone else have trouble with alsa modules not being present in the latest released rootfs ? |
| 19:15.35 | ScaredyCat | wont boot... |
| 19:15.55 | ScaredyCat | I'm going through ll the images I have and all those on chooseopen... |
| 19:15.57 | thomasg | ScaredyCat, and you used erase rootfs? and a new kernel? |
| 19:16.03 | ScaredyCat | just get kernel panics |
| 19:16.06 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat: tried cleaning rootfs before reflashing? |
| 19:16.21 | ScaredyCat | flashed wth \0's |
| 19:17.04 | ScaredyCat | kernel panic - not syncing |
| 19:17.07 | daxxar | ScaredyCat: Didya use USB console, and do a 'nand erase rootfs'? |
| 19:17.16 | ScaredyCat | no... |
| 19:17.17 | daxxar | What does it say before the panic, though? |
| 19:17.50 | thomasg | I'm building a new image at moment - can I renice the whole build-process at once in any way? |
| 19:18.01 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat: u-boot apparantly doesn't erase rootfs automatically when flashing |
| 19:18.59 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat: which could lead to problems flashing to images _smaller_ than present image |
| 19:19.03 | daxxar | thomasg: If you renice the parent processes, at least all newly spawned processes will have the new nice-value |
| 19:19.23 | daxxar | thomasg: But I don't think it propagates downwards if you renice a parent. |
| 19:19.27 | daxxar | (to already spawned children) |
| 19:19.34 | ScaredyCat | serial on /dev/usb0 |
| 19:19.36 | ScaredyCat | ? |
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| 19:20.39 | daxxar | ScaredyCat: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_usbtty_from_Linux |
| 19:20.46 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 19:22.08 | daxxar | (ne'er done it myself) |
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| 19:23.33 | jeddy3 | goddamn i hate the X in upper left corner totally impossible to click with fingers (2007.2) |
| 19:24.34 | ScaredyCat | what speed should it be >? |
| 19:24.57 | thomasg | jeddy3, yes, that was the first thing I complained about in 2007.2 ;) |
| 19:25.14 | thomasg | but still better than 2007 - it was/is nearby unusable with fingers only |
| 19:25.15 | mmp | jeddy3: therefore some people grow "technical fingernail" :) |
| 19:25.18 | ScaredyCat | got it |
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| 19:25.49 | thomasg | mmp, you mean the kind of nail you can drive screws out? :) |
| 19:25.58 | ScaredyCat | you can't edit the farking wiki |
| 19:26.09 | mmp | thomasg: sort of :) |
| 19:27.02 | jeddy3 | thomasg: yes, still way better than 2007.1, i agree |
| 19:27.14 | jeddy3 | mmp: :D |
| 19:27.40 | thomasg | I really like 2007.2 |
| 19:27.45 | thomasg | looks very well-designed |
| 19:27.46 | jeddy3 | nod |
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| 19:28.22 | thomasg | btw. - mailinglist down or what? |
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| 19:51.56 | ScaredyCat | just the job daxxar - that fixed it |
| 19:52.08 | daxxar | Glad to hear that, ScaredyCat :-) |
| 19:52.13 | Stephmw | kernel question... how would one go about static-linking an application binary directly to a monolithic kernel? |
| 19:52.21 | ScaredyCat | daxxar++ |
| 19:54.30 | thomasg | hm, damn, tried to build e17/efl for openmoko, but it fails (seems openembedded doesn't use or set PKG_CONFIG) |
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| 19:55.08 | thomasg | ah, it does - but a package is missing |
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| 19:56.24 | hrw | thomasg: then report it and maybe even provide fix? |
| 19:56.31 | mmazur | .2 rocks |
| 19:56.36 | thomasg | hrw, I'm looking, yes |
| 19:56.36 | hrw | mmazur: 2007.2? |
| 19:56.39 | mmazur | Untill it freaked out on me and died. |
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| 19:56.54 | mmazur | hrw, yeah. |
| 19:57.00 | ciphercast222_ | died in what way? |
| 19:57.02 | hrw | mmazur: agreed |
| 19:57.18 | mmazur | Only the upper bar with the icons survived. |
| 19:57.23 | mmazur | Everything else turned black. |
| 19:57.32 | mmazur | And I had to ssh to it and do a 'halt'. |
| 19:57.36 | mmazur | No other way to turn it off. |
| 19:57.42 | thomasg | yeah, .2 definately rocks |
| 19:57.46 | jeddy3 | mmazur: has happened to me a couple of times also |
| 19:57.46 | mmazur | Unless I had to press the power button for 60 seconds. |
| 19:59.05 | jeddy3 | hmm, strange... |
| 20:00.15 | mmazur | I must say, the scrolling rocks. |
| 20:00.17 | jeddy3 | i compiled scummvm and installed its ipkg and all it's dependencies...and a executable ended up in /usr/bin...but sh says it cannot find it anyway |
| 20:01.21 | mmazur | scummvm? |
| 20:01.22 | mmazur | Games! |
| 20:01.44 | jeddy3 | :) |
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| 20:02.25 | woglinde | re |
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| 20:08.01 | rschuster | jeddy3: just tried openttd |
| 20:08.01 | rschuster | jeddy3: doesnt work unfortunately |
| 20:08.19 | jeddy3 | rschuster: :| |
| 20:08.33 | jeddy3 | rschuster: transport tycoon rocks |
| 20:08.34 | rschuster | jeddy3: fixing the bb to compile the more recent 0.5.2 was simple but I guess the neo's sdl doesnt like the fact that openttd requires 8 bit surfaces |
| 20:08.50 | woglinde | hi rschuster |
| 20:09.03 | rschuster | jeddy3: I tried to build a SVN snapshot then (they have high color support in that) |
| 20:09.05 | rschuster | hi woglinde |
| 20:09.18 | rschuster | jeddy3: but that one is evil |
| 20:09.27 | jeddy3 | rschuster: :) |
| 20:10.30 | rschuster | jeddy3: they use a autotools-like configuration system which isnt the autotools in the end .. :( |
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| 20:11.34 | ciphercast222_ | anyone remember the unofficial name of the future FIC phone? |
| 20:11.39 | rschuster | woglinde: have you gotten cacao to accept a proper bootclasspath and gnu.classpath.boot.library.path? |
| 20:11.58 | ciphercast222_ | it slipping my mind right now... |
| 20:12.09 | jeddy3 | ciphercast222_: hdx8? |
| 20:12.13 | rschuster | woglinde: in mine all paths are wrong and I must correct them using -Xbootclasspath: and -Dgnu.classpath.boot.library.path= |
| 20:12.14 | ciphercast222_ | thx |
| 20:12.17 | woglinde | rschuster caco or caco-cldc? |
| 20:12.34 | rschuster | woglinde: applies to both |
| 20:12.34 | woglinde | I only tested cacao-cldc and will commit today *really* |
| 20:12.53 | woglinde | on my simpad cacao-cldc midpath-qt works |
| 20:12.54 | jeddy3 | btw, python and pygame (python-sdl) worked flawlessly |
| 20:12.55 | rschuster | woglinde: cacao-cldc will go into OE? |
| 20:12.58 | woglinde | guillaum rocks |
| 20:12.59 | rschuster | woglinde: sweet |
| 20:13.15 | woglinde | rschuster yes |
| 20:13.27 | woglinde | I will integrate the thread.alive patch |
| 20:13.28 | rschuster | woglinde: how have you gotten around the genoffsets thingie? |
| 20:13.44 | rtyler | ahoy! |
| 20:13.51 | woglinde | rschuster as I said run genoffset on the host copy it out |
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| 20:13.58 | woglinde | aeh target |
| 20:14.07 | woglinde | I will show you the patch in oe bugtracker |
| 20:14.09 | rtyler | anybody know the reasoning behind me receiving a guitar pick with my phone? ?:P |
| 20:14.23 | jeddy3 | rtyler: to pry open the case :) |
| 20:14.27 | woglinde | rschuster -> http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1472 |
| 20:14.38 | ckuethe | see the webpage on how to open your phone |
| 20:14.38 | rtyler | jeddy3: haha, nice |
| 20:14.54 | rtyler | a coworker figured it out before I could find the page :P |
| 20:14.57 | ckuethe | there should be a screwdriver in there too |
| 20:14.59 | jeddy3 | rtyler: really cool pick also =P |
| 20:15.00 | rtyler | now I'm at stage 1, flashing it >_> |
| 20:15.11 | jeddy3 | ckuethe: there is, in advance kit |
| 20:15.51 | ciphercast222_ | jeddy3: hxd8, fyi |
| 20:16.06 | jeddy3 | ciphercast222_: ah yes, that's it :) |
| 20:16.50 | rschuster | woglinde: but this approach is going to cause trouble for everyone using cacao with a different compiler, kernel, bytesex or wordsize |
| 20:18.12 | rschuster | woglinde: you should perhaps blacklist the bb for non-32bit and bigendian targets at least |
| 20:18.13 | woglinde | rschuster right |
| 20:18.18 | rtyler | even watching my phone kernel panic was fantastic |
| 20:18.30 | rtyler | (as a sidenote ;)) |
| 20:18.36 | rschuster | rtyler: nice to see everyone having fun :) |
| 20:19.33 | rtyler | so far, kernel panic, laser pointer pen/stylus, guitar pick; this is the most fun phone I've had thus far ;) |
| 20:19.46 | doc|work | and you haven't even gotten it to do anything :) |
| 20:19.50 | rtyler | the coaster that says "Some Assembly Required" is nice too |
| 20:19.57 | rtyler | doc|work: no kidding :P |
| 20:20.03 | doc|work | that's a coaster? I thought it was an envelope :| |
| 20:20.18 | rtyler | the little cardboard square thing? |
| 20:20.40 | doc|work | it'd be a crap coaster if it's made out of cardboard :) |
| 20:20.42 | woglinde | rschuster hm the solution is only build for arm now |
| 20:21.05 | woglinde | and bail out if someother will build it |
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| 20:22.29 | mayeco | can i use openmoko without stylus? |
| 20:22.38 | woglinde | mayeco yes |
| 20:22.39 | rtyler | doc|work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/agentdero/1053323573/ |
| 20:22.45 | woglinde | use your fingers |
| 20:22.47 | mayeco | thanks |
| 20:22.53 | mayeco | and work nice? |
| 20:23.19 | doc|work | mayeco: there are two types of app, finger and stylus. |
| 20:23.22 | rschuster | woglinde: yeah. btw the mmap_disable.patch is included 2 times in your bug report |
| 20:23.29 | doc|work | should be able to do most common things with fingers afaik |
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| 20:23.59 | woglinde | rschuster its not mine |
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| 20:24.09 | doc|work | rtyler: The photo you were looking for has been deleted. |
| 20:24.14 | woglinde | some one put it earlier in |
| 20:24.27 | rschuster | woglinde: oh ok :) |
| 20:24.30 | mayeco | if I want to buy a openmoko now, I know is a developer version the hardware will change or only the software? |
| 20:24.40 | woglinde | hardware too |
| 20:24.45 | mayeco | ohhhh |
| 20:24.48 | rtyler | doc|work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/agentdero/1054195462/in/set-72157600934925721/ |
| 20:24.49 | woglinde | fast cpu better gpu and wifi |
| 20:24.55 | woglinde | price will change too I guess |
| 20:24.57 | rtyler | sorry, I forgot that PhotoBooth flips the text >_> |
| 20:25.13 | mayeco | more money? |
| 20:25.20 | rtyler | man, my work day is screwed, I'm going to play with this too much today |
| 20:25.36 | doc|work | rtyler: hmmm, so, it looks like a coaster, is it a coaster? |
| 20:25.50 | abraxa_ | mayeco: I'd really recommend you to wait. |
| 20:25.58 | marsan | for gta02 $450 for standard and $600 for advanced |
| 20:25.59 | rtyler | maybe a cheap denny's style coaster ;) |
| 20:26.08 | zedstar | its a beer mat! |
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| 20:26.23 | doc|work | rtyler: heh |
| 20:26.31 | doc|work | zedstar: made out of cardboard? it'll never last :) |
| 20:26.40 | jimmygoon | Is the neo1973 powerful enough to handle some encryption capabilities? |
| 20:26.44 | MrKeuner | hi, what is the date for end user release of the phone? |
| 20:26.51 | zedstar | the beer mats in UK are even cheaper looking! |
| 20:26.53 | rtyler | jimmygoon: I would assume it would handle SSH just fine ;) |
| 20:26.54 | doc|work | jimmygoon: rot13? :) |
| 20:26.59 | rtyler | heh |
| 20:27.23 | jimmygoon | I was thinking more along the lines of two neo users talking to each other encrypted - no NSA, etc |
| 20:27.26 | rtyler | jimmygoon: it's certainly not going to be *cracking* encryption, but I think you should be fine with SSH |
| 20:27.32 | mayeco | ok I'll wait |
| 20:27.34 | mayeco | thanks |
| 20:27.35 | mayeco | but |
| 20:27.37 | mayeco | buy |
| 20:27.39 | rtyler | jimmygoon: encrypted VoIP? |
| 20:27.42 | jimmygoon | yes |
| 20:27.43 | mayeco | bye... :S |
| 20:27.46 | doc|work | mayeco: bye :) |
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| 20:28.28 | jimmygoon | except not VoIP, over regular GSM to shaft the ATT/NSA |
| 20:28.28 | doc|work | these should be able to work on vlans, right? |
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| 20:28.28 | rtyler | jimmygoon: good luck with that :P |
| 20:28.35 | rtyler | I'm sure AT&T will drop your encrypted calls ASAP |
| 20:28.36 | abraxa_ | jimmygoon: You don't have access to the GSM stack |
| 20:28.45 | doc|work | jimmygoon: try encrypted sip over a vpn using wifi from a local cafe. :) |
| 20:29.07 | rtyler | doc|work: psssh, all the cool kids use IAX over SSH tunnels |
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| 20:29.17 | doc|work | but if the NSA really want to hear what you're saying, they will. They're the NSA ffs :) |
| 20:29.20 | jimmygoon | rtyler: really they would drop it?? abraxa_ theirs no way to encrypt the audio before it hits the GSM stack? |
| 20:29.33 | doc|work | they probably have quantum computers already but just aren't saying :) |
| 20:29.39 | doc|work | rtyler: yeah, now you lost me :) |
| 20:29.39 | abraxa_ | jimmygoon: There is but that's not "encryption" in the sense I understood it |
| 20:29.39 | woglinde | IAX ? |
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| 20:29.49 | jimmygoon | abraxa_, fair enough |
| 20:29.54 | rtyler | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-IAX |
| 20:30.02 | woglinde | rtyler hm |
| 20:30.09 | rtyler | IAX is a very lightweight VoIP protocol |
| 20:30.41 | thomasg | does openembedded support PKG_CONFIG? |
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| 20:30.58 | jimmygoon | so, is there tapping on VoIP too? or is there even a need for an encrypted voip? |
| 20:31.20 | ckuethe | RTSP |
| 20:31.26 | ckuethe | ZRTP |
| 20:34.29 | doc|work | jimmygoon: I'll be running it. I have no need for it but I'll be doing what I can to lower the signal to noise ratio to make it harder for them to tap and break. |
| 20:35.00 | doc|work | (just because I'm opposed to the warrantless tapping in the first place) |
| 20:35.17 | rtyler | doc|work: just make sure you don't talk about the PRESIDENT's jokes BOMBING at that luncheon the other night >_> |
| 20:35.50 | rtyler | heh |
| 20:36.15 | doc|work | I'm an Irish person living in North America. It's possible i'm on a list already :) |
| 20:36.25 | doc|work | oh noes! the irish terrorists!! |
| 20:36.29 | doc|work | etc etc |
| 20:36.38 | woglinde | hehe |
| 20:36.42 | rtyler | does the battery come charged already? or should I wait some indeterminate amount of time to let the battery charge before I start futzing with it (i.e. unplug and flash) |
| 20:36.54 | woglinde | nolet it charge |
| 20:37.13 | rtyler | when will it be done? |
| 20:38.24 | rtyler | doc|work: after I accidentally brick mine, i'll send it on over >_< |
| 20:38.29 | kemp|plex | woot... i got data working... is the browser webkit? |
| 20:38.31 | doc|work | schweet! |
| 20:39.03 | doc|work | rtyler: I'm not really going to be all that interested until there's wifi. Data plans are insanely expensive :| |
| 20:39.19 | doc|work | actually, voice plans are even insanely expensive but anyway... |
| 20:39.19 | rtyler | kemp|plex: if it renders pages properly, it's probably webkit ;) |
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| 20:43.04 | Viko | I haven't been around for ages... Has anything fun happened since people started receiving their Neo's? |
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| 20:45.31 | moreati | This is a totally uninformed question, so I'm sorry. Could openmoko be used as a basis for porting linux to a Windows Mobile smartphone? How much hardware would they be likely to share? |
| 20:45.32 | aloril | moreati: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 20:46.02 | Kensan | jeddy3: a friend of mine got Monkey Island and thus ScummVM working but is holding off with submitting the patches until the oe-merge is done. |
| 20:46.32 | rtyler | oe-merge? we're converging with open embedded? |
| 20:46.56 | Kensan | rtyler: the oe-overlay from openmoko ist being merged upstream. |
| 20:47.13 | woglinde | rtyler sure |
| 20:47.19 | rtyler | yay! |
| 20:47.37 | woglinde | because it makes no sense |
| 20:47.57 | woglinde | to lose power to merge it again and again |
| 20:48.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hi all |
| 20:49.18 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Kinda silly question ... how can I record and playback sound from the mic/speaker? |
| 20:49.48 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (and is it different to do it to the headphones/remote mic?) |
| 20:52.05 | rschuster | has anybody tried putting openmoko on a SD card and boot it from there? is there more involved then creating a tar.gz of the rootfs and tar xfz it on a SD card? |
| 20:52.39 | woglinde | rschuster hm schoudnt |
| 20:52.48 | HistoryOnTheRoad | rschuster: Does the SD card have a filesystem already? |
| 20:52.49 | woglinde | you only have to tell the kernel all about your rootfs |
| 20:52.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (Might be preformatted FAT) |
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| 20:53.56 | pH5 | rschuster: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
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| 20:54.38 | woglinde | hi ph5 |
| 20:55.15 | pH5 | hej woglinde |
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| 20:56.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | No hints for sound? :( |
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| 20:57.05 | rschuster | HistoryOnTheRoad: I dont know. its probably formatted with VFAT |
| 20:57.25 | Kensan | HistoryOnTheRoad: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem |
| 20:58.27 | HistoryOnTheRoad | rschuster: I can't recall if FATfs has long filename support. Other then that, it should work though. There is a boot option in uBoot I believe. |
| 20:59.15 | woglinde | fat has no symlink support |
| 20:59.18 | woglinde | so forget it |
| 20:59.33 | rschuster | woglinde: no worries. I will do mkfs.ext2 :) |
| 21:00.36 | HistoryOnTheRoad | jffs2 might be a better choice ;) |
| 21:00.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (ie same as the rootfs, if you are going to boot it) |
| 21:01.14 | woglinde | HistoryOnTheRoad sd-cards and cf-cards are now cheap |
| 21:01.18 | woglinde | no need for jffs2 |
| 21:01.25 | rschuster | HistoryOnTheRoad: no. jffs2 is for NAND flash were the controller is implemented in the OS |
| 21:01.26 | woglinde | if you broke one |
| 21:01.29 | woglinde | bye a new one |
| 21:01.36 | hrw | HistoryOnTheRoad: jffs2 on sd card is not possible rather |
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| 21:01.47 | hrw | 1GB microSD is ~10 EUR now |
| 21:02.04 | kemp|plex | how much slower is reading from the external vs the internal? |
| 21:02.16 | kemp|plex | eg can i put apps on the external and expect it to be reasonable? |
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| 21:03.04 | HistoryOnTheRoad | kemp|plex: Depends what "reasonable" means :) |
| 21:03.05 | doc|work | btw, does the neo take cf? |
| 21:03.16 | hrw | doc|work: no |
| 21:03.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | doc|work: No, MicroSD |
| 21:03.22 | kemp|plex | HistoryOnTheRoad: :) fair enough -- any estimates? is it 10x slower, 2x slower... ? |
| 21:03.34 | rschuster | HistoryOnTheRoad: "In practice, these filesystems are only used for "Memory Technology Devices" ("MTD"), which are embedded flash memories which do not have a controller. Removable flash media, such as SD and CF cards and USB flash drives, have a controller (often built into the card) to perform wear-levelling and error correction, so use of JFFS2 or YAFFS does not add any benefit." (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory) |
| 21:04.32 | Jiten | kemp|plex: I saw some people doing benchmarks earlier, SD was a bit faster |
| 21:04.42 | kemp|plex | seriously? that's awesome |
| 21:04.53 | HistoryOnTheRoad | kemp|plex: I would suspect it's comparable to the internal... I haven't tried anything, but i'd guess 2x slower. But that should still be fairly quick, and quicker then a HD I would guess for reading. |
| 21:05.06 | woglinde | on my simpad the nfsroot is faster than jffs2 |
| 21:05.35 | Jiten | the best SD cards are 9MB/s I hear. the one that comes bundled with neo managed 3.3MB/s from what I saw earlier. |
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| 21:06.23 | Jiten | the internal flash was 2.6MB/s |
| 21:07.34 | kemp|plex | Jiten: thanks, good to hear |
| 21:07.48 | pH5 | there were some benchmarks at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review for the p0 devices |
| 21:09.54 | Jiten | well, I'm mostly lurking here and answering if I see a question I can answer. Not much but it might make OpenMoko somewhat better when I get around to buying GTA2 |
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| 21:12.20 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Jiten: Every little bit helps ;) |
| 21:13.07 | Jiten | other than that, I haven't really done much more than set up the qemu system and images with MokoMakefile and played around a bit with it :) |
| 21:13.23 | Jiten | looks promising though :) |
| 21:14.08 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Kensan: thanks for the wiki pointer |
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| 21:17.04 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Would everything phase0 related apply to phase1? |
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| 21:17.12 | anrp | minus some hardware issues |
| 21:17.13 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I think so, but always good to ask |
| 21:18.05 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hmmm. Call recording, but no just speaker -> disk recording. |
| 21:18.17 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mic -> disk I mean |
| 21:18.21 | anrp | really? |
| 21:18.24 | anrp | that doesn't seem right |
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| 21:19.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Heh, no... there is a HEADING for call recording, but no actual info :) |
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| 21:21.19 | rschuster | woglinde: I am not registered. cant send private messages |
| 21:21.41 | woglinde | rschuster ah |
| 21:21.44 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:21.52 | woglinde | okay I will send you an email |
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| 21:22.09 | rschuster | woglinde: or create a channel and write me the name in the PM |
| 21:22.21 | woglinde | *lol* |
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| 21:29.08 | rtyler | woglinde: were you the one that told me to charge my neo completely? |
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| 21:30.02 | jroman | hi |
| 21:30.05 | jroman | anybody knows if there is any problem with openmoko mailing lists? |
| 21:37.21 | Writchie | jroman: only that they've been awfully quite lately |
| 21:37.33 | Writchie | probably cause many are at camp |
| 21:40.44 | woglinde | rtyler depends in which mode you are 100mw or 500mw with 100 it needs up to 12 hours the first time |
| 21:42.44 | Writchie | I hear a lot of talk about 100ma charge mode. I measure this to be about 40 - 45ma - has anybody seen different? |
| 21:43.39 | woglinde | watt or ampere? |
| 21:44.03 | Writchie | 45 milliampere |
| 21:44.32 | Writchie | which is about 225 milliwatts |
| 21:45.16 | Writchie | both of my neo's (mis) behave the same |
| 21:49.14 | ScaredyCat | I think I just buggered my sd card :( |
| 21:49.26 | thomasg | does somebody know if esmart is working via openembedded? |
| 21:49.57 | ScaredyCat | uboot still failing also :( |
| 21:50.06 | Basheri | i've been building for about 8 hours >=(( |
| 21:50.31 | ScaredyCat | | chmod: cannot access `board/neo1973/gta*/split_by_variant.sh': No such file or directory |
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| 21:52.12 | s1mxn | LOS METALLER JOINT HÖRT ZU UND GEHT FLIEGEN DEN (/!\) #pure-metal /!\ mit [P-M]Mentario /!\ Late Night Show /!\ ist online /!\ (/!\ StreamFile @ www.pure-metal.de oda http://www.metal.host-tech.de/portal/getstream1.php?stream=1 [noSry4amsg] |
| 21:52.52 | thomasg | -.- |
| 21:53.00 | ScaredyCat | we need an op |
| 21:53.06 | thomasg | s1mxn, tell creep greetings from me :) |
| 21:53.17 | ScaredyCat | yaaay |
| 21:53.52 | ScaredyCat | bagpuss_thecat: ! |
| 21:54.31 | rtyler | woglinde: I'm charging off of USB, with the Neo Basic, how could I possibly bump the powar! ;) |
| 21:55.06 | ScaredyCat | get a 500ma capable port :) |
| 21:55.39 | rtyler | aw crap, now I gotta figure out how badass, or the lack thereof, my workstation is? :P |
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| 21:56.16 | Writchie | almost any desktop will have 500ma from any root port |
| 21:56.22 | Writchie | as will most laptops |
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| 21:56.29 | ScaredyCat | even my laptop does |
| 21:56.37 | Writchie | 100ma is rare |
| 21:56.52 | rtyler | Writchie: well, I plugged it into the front of my Dell dual Opteron, so I'm hoping it's 500 |
| 21:56.54 | Writchie | it is mostly from devices like keyboards with an extra usb port for the mouse |
| 21:57.13 | woglinde | rtyler hm there was some kernel valaue which says at which charge level you are |
| 21:57.15 | Writchie | it won't draw 500ma unless it enumerates to the system |
| 21:57.21 | woglinde | but I forgot where it is |
| 21:57.29 | woglinde | but it is in the wiki |
| 21:57.32 | woglinde | I think |
| 21:57.35 | rtyler | woglinde: I haven't even flashed it with the rootfs for the first time yet :P |
| 21:57.48 | Kero | openmoko mailinglists still working? or have I fallen off? |
| 21:58.01 | woglinde | kero you gmail? |
| 21:58.03 | rtyler | Kero: I haven't gotten anything from the device-owners list since I signed up |
| 21:58.04 | woglinde | +have |
| 21:58.10 | Kero | woglinde: no |
| 21:58.13 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:58.14 | woglinde | okay |
| 21:58.20 | woglinde | than mailmain seems broken |
| 21:58.23 | woglinde | args |
| 21:58.25 | woglinde | mailman |
| 21:58.42 | rtyler | woglinde: quiet! don't make it angry, it could go *postal* |
| 21:58.43 | Kero | sent a mail to device-owners about 24 hours ago, which is in the archives, but I haven't received anything since. |
| 21:58.46 | rtyler | *rimshot* |
| 21:59.01 | rtyler | thankk you, i'll be here all night |
| 21:59.55 | HistoryOnTheRoad | rtyler: Don't forget the roast beef :P |
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| 22:00.22 | rschuster | Kero: same for openmoko-devel |
| 22:00.36 | thomasg | mailman seems to be down or sth like this |
| 22:01.38 | rschuster | yay. mailinglists are down and many of the openmoko guys is at CCCamp :) |
| 22:02.16 | Kero | ok, I know enough, thx! |
| 22:03.13 | ewon | how did that go |
| 22:03.14 | Kero | most are imressed what they see, some don't understand it doesn't *do* much, yet. |
| 22:03.24 | rschuster | Kero: :) |
| 22:03.32 | rschuster | Kero: with OM 2007.2 ? |
| 22:03.33 | thomasg | Kero, I decided to wait |
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| 22:03.40 | Kero | Neo looks good and has a gorgeous screen |
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| 22:03.49 | Kero | lots of people like that :) |
| 22:03.51 | Kero | OM 2007 |
| 22:04.01 | Kero | with mismatching kernel/rootfs |
| 22:04.07 | Kero | who cares :) |
| 22:04.12 | rschuster | Kero: shows them ultra-cool kinetic scrolling in OM 2007.2 :) |
| 22:04.18 | rschuster | s/shows/show/ |
| 22:04.28 | thomasg | kinetic scrolling sucks |
| 22:04.37 | Kero | aand some friends know I like this kind of thing, so they can think along. |
| 22:04.42 | rschuster | thomasg: .. but looks good ;) |
| 22:04.47 | thomasg | rschuster, correct |
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| 22:04.59 | thomasg | looks good, but the concept is ugly |
| 22:05.11 | Kero | and then I work at a high tech company. |
| 22:05.46 | abraxa_ | thomasg: What would you rather see? |
| 22:05.46 | thomasg | a simple scrollbar :) |
| 22:05.46 | ScaredyCat | can someone look at what /dev/ is for the sdcard |
| 22:05.47 | Kero | it'll be fun by the time they say "I wish my phone could do X" and I can say, "mine does" |
| 22:05.51 | ScaredyCat | mtdblock4? |
| 22:05.55 | Kero | in a few months, who knows? |
| 22:06.15 | thomasg | abraxa_, kinetic scrolling may look nice, but in a long (or not so long) list it takes years to get where you want |
| 22:06.17 | Kero | now where was the thread about dead batteries... mine just ran out of juice... |
| 22:06.37 | thomasg | scrollbars are abstracting the whole list on the size of the display, good concept, works, and is very usable |
| 22:06.39 | abraxa_ | thomasg: I agree, I just wonder how it could be improved |
| 22:06.54 | thomasg | imho a combination would be ok |
| 22:07.22 | thomasg | so you could take the scrollbar for long lists and the kinetic scrolling for the details or for short lists |
| 22:07.47 | thomasg | another posibility would be to have screen zones, e.g. on the left side the kinetic scrolling is slow (like now) and on the right side of the list it's much faster |
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| 22:08.36 | abraxa_ | thomasg: Actually, when the categories are in place the list will be a lot smaller so I'm not sure if that will be an issue anymore |
| 22:09.19 | thomasg | abraxa_, it's not only the application list. what about contacts? |
| 22:09.34 | thomasg | some people have more than 1000 contacts |
| 22:09.52 | thomasg | and even my 100 contacts are too much for kinetic scrolling |
| 22:10.29 | abraxa_ | thomasg: There we'll have categories as well and using the keyboard to type the first char of the name should reduce the size of the list to a bareable size, too |
| 22:10.37 | Kero | my old phone can only storw 100 numbers. it's full. |
| 22:10.53 | Kero | then I can (and will) add a series of colleagues to my Neo in due time |
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| 22:11.06 | Kero | company phonebook, so to say |
| 22:11.06 | thomasg | abraxa_, I like having a search function on the contact list (and maybe each other list, too), but I do not want to be forced to use it |
| 22:11.23 | thomasg | especially because you would have to use the stylus every time |
| 22:11.26 | abraxa_ | thomasg: Especially since we have no hardware keyboard, yeah |
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| 22:11.42 | ewanm89mob | Wouldn't you use a search on such a scale? |
| 22:12.20 | abraxa_ | I personally don't intend to let my contact list grow to such a size in the first place - at least not without using categories |
| 22:12.40 | Kero | oh, I'll definitely categorize them |
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| 22:12.55 | Kero | easy enough. I think... |
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| 22:13.39 | doc|work | how difficult is it going to be to get replacement stylus? they're going to get lost, lots |
| 22:13.42 | abraxa_ | If evolution integration works nicely then yes :) |
| 22:13.42 | doc|work | :) |
| 22:14.02 | Kero | doc|work: loose such a big thing? :) |
| 22:14.11 | abraxa_ | That's what I thought, too |
| 22:14.28 | doc|work | Kero: I lose pens *all* the time :) |
| 22:14.36 | abraxa_ | And I wonder why the Neo pouch is too small to fit the stylus |
| 22:14.45 | ScaredyCat | anyone? |
| 22:14.52 | Kero | abraxa_: I intend to work on some app integration things. |
| 22:15.04 | Kero | once I'm back from holiday by the end of the month :) |
| 22:15.05 | abraxa_ | Kero: wonderful! |
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| 22:15.44 | Kero | abraxa_: if my phone has contacts and an agenda, it should be easy to call people that'll join a meeting in five minutes. and such things. |
| 22:16.47 | abraxa_ | Kero: I love that OpenMoko has gained enough momentum to be interesting for the general open source crowd - it will spark tons of interesting appllications =) |
| 22:17.28 | Kero | abraxa_: it will, even if just 10% of the P1 owners write little thing each (that'll be 200 interesting things) |
| 22:17.58 | abraxa_ | hehe yeah |
| 22:18.07 | Kero | timing just sucks for me, I'll be gone for to weeks, just after received my Neo :( |
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| 22:18.45 | ewanm89mob | Plus, those of us who don't own a p1 device. |
| 22:21.48 | codyl | where is the wiki page with info on how to setup ip forwarding and such for internet via usb ? |
| 22:23.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | isn't ipforwarding a write to some file? |
| 22:24.03 | Kero | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward or something very close |
| 22:24.41 | woglinde | usbnet setup isnt openmoko specific |
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| 22:24.56 | pudelfish | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 22:25.19 | codyl | ah, usual ways works then |
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| 22:32.17 | abraxa_ | I wish I understood why the creators of GTK made everything independent of the screen resolution - except for paddings, which I happen to need a lot of. |
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| 22:44.35 | rtyler | abraxa_: spite ;) |
| 22:44.57 | abraxa_ | Must be... either that or just braindeadness |
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| 22:54.24 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: no - 40mA is about right for 'low rate'. |
| 22:54.34 | SpeedEvil | I don't know where 100mA came from. |
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| 22:55.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: Heya |
| 22:55.26 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:55.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm trying to work my way through all of the Neo systems. :P |
| 22:56.06 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean? |
| 22:56.10 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I think my GSM problem might be related to a mismatched rootfs/kernel |
| 22:56.21 | SpeedEvil | what GSM problem? |
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| 22:56.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I was trying to make a call yesterday, but it wan't working. |
| 22:56.42 | SpeedEvil | If you can talk to the modem at all, it's not that. |
| 22:56.54 | SpeedEvil | the kernel: |
| 22:57.07 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Net registers ok, but won't make a call |
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| 22:57.26 | SpeedEvil | Sets up the UART, and turns on and off the power. |
| 22:57.31 | SpeedEvil | It does nothing more. |
| 22:57.37 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ah, if GSM is talking to me it's not a mismatch? |
| 22:57.41 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 22:57.54 | SpeedEvil | The GSM module is connected via a serial line. |
| 22:57.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ok |
| 22:58.11 | SpeedEvil | the only thing the kernel can do to it is to raise/lower a line to indicate it should suspend. |
| 22:58.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | gotcha. Ok, well I hoped it was something stupid like that. |
| 22:58.22 | SpeedEvil | which if you're talking to it, it's not doing. |
| 22:58.23 | SpeedEvil | :"/ |
| 22:58.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | So, network registration but not able to call. I'm in North America, and have tried a few ways to dial. |
| 22:59.53 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I thought I could at least make it a recording and playback device while I tried to figure out what was up with no GSM calling :S |
| 23:01.22 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (I'd try GPS, but from what i understand we're awaiting paperwork to release the GPS driver) |
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| 23:03.41 | mellon | hm, so can anyone clue me on how to insert the SIM card? It seems like the SD card latch blocks it from coming up, in either position. |
| 23:04.00 | mellon | Oops, never mind, my brain finally kicked into gear. |
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| 23:04.23 | Vegar | mellon: there's a video on youtube |
| 23:04.51 | woglinde | nite |
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| 23:05.02 | mellon | Yeah, that seems like it's for the old phone. My damage was that I didn't realize the SIM card holder flips up. |
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| 23:05.43 | linux_galore | Ive noticed many new phones hav dropped the flip sim hold for the slot |
| 23:05.56 | linux_galore | s/hold/holder/ |
| 23:06.24 | HistoryOnTheRoad | stepping out for a few |
| 23:06.27 | SpeedEvil | mellon: the one really POS hardware in the neo IMO is the SIM/uSD card. |
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| 23:07.02 | SpeedEvil | mellon: the one really POS hardware in the neo IMO is the SIM/uSD card holder. |
| 23:07.08 | mellon | It's not that bad if you're gentle with it, but it could stand a bit more robustness for the commercial version. |
| 23:07.20 | linux_galore | hmm dual slots for two sim cards, now there is a seller |
| 23:07.26 | mellon | And it certainly isn't idiot-proof, as I have demonstrated. |
| 23:07.49 | SpeedEvil | It _needs_ a sticker on the inside of the case. |
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| 23:08.16 | mellon | Idiot-proofing is better than stickers, but yeah, that wouldn't hurt. |
| 23:08.43 | linux_galore | just use a slot design for the sim, cant get more idiot proof than that |
| 23:08.52 | SpeedEvil | 'just' |
| 23:09.04 | SpeedEvil | the problem with that approach is that it tends to need more real-estate |
| 23:09.07 | mellon | Requires a new box. |
| 23:09.16 | mellon | Not an option for now. But a good idea for later... :') |
| 23:09.19 | SpeedEvil | you've got to have somewhere for the SIM to slide to. |
| 23:09.30 | mellon | I have to say, I'm liking my creamsicle phone. |
| 23:09.37 | mellon | It's very cute. Extremely geeky. |
| 23:10.07 | mellon | (Just arrived) |
| 23:10.41 | linux_galore | allot of room for the openmoko to mature |
| 23:10.57 | mellon | And the pointer is wicked! |
| 23:11.15 | mellon | Very high toy factor here - nicely done. Now I just need to figure out how to hack it. |
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| 23:11.30 | linux_galore | ?? the scribe, HTC have the same on their big phone (5" screen) |
| 23:11.44 | mellon | Dunno what that is. |
| 23:12.15 | linux_galore | look on youtube, just type HTC unboxing |
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| 23:12.40 | linux_galore | its Microsoft big assed phone to go with their big assed table |
| 23:12.52 | linux_galore | Microsoft's |
| 23:13.17 | mellon | Ah. Runs Linux, I take it? ;') |
| 23:13.29 | linux_galore | no, wince 5/6 |
| 23:14.10 | linux_galore | HTC sell Microsoft phones |
| 23:14.24 | mellon | Hm, how to you refill the ink on this thing? |
| 23:14.50 | linux_galore | mellon: first catch a squid |
| 23:15.04 | mellon | In Arizona? Can't I hire it done? |
| 23:15.08 | SpeedEvil | mellon: it unscrews |
| 23:15.17 | mellon | Yes, and the batteries fall out... :') |
| 23:15.19 | SpeedEvil | In two parts. |
| 23:15.29 | SpeedEvil | three parts |
| 23:15.30 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: thanks for confirming the 40ma - not enough to charge if the GSM modem is left on and power off |
| 23:15.40 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 23:15.47 | SpeedEvil | I'm not quite sure that's the case. |
| 23:16.00 | mellon | Yeah, feels like I might break it if I try to twist off the front part. |
| 23:16.01 | SpeedEvil | I haven't measured the battery current in that case - USB plugged in. |
| 23:16.33 | Writchie | it draws the 40ma when you re-plug but I think 30ma of that goes to the gsm modem |
| 23:16.38 | SpeedEvil | mellon: hold the pen by the narrow bit. |
| 23:16.46 | SpeedEvil | and next to the buttons |
| 23:16.53 | SpeedEvil | pull apart - force 1Kg or so |
| 23:17.14 | mellon | Ah. Thanks. Nicely described. |
| 23:17.31 | rtyler | mellon: SpeedEvil talks like a physics book ;) |
| 23:17.41 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Newton, please ;) |
| 23:17.51 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 23:17.54 | mellon | Eh, nobody knows how much force a Newton is. |
| 23:17.58 | SpeedEvil | Force approximately 9.8N. |
| 23:18.01 | mellon | Except as a number. |
| 23:18.27 | mellon | Obviously the programmable calculator on OpenMoko will need to include the units conversion table. |
| 23:18.28 | rtyler | I don't know what you're talking about, I know exactly how many newtons I need to push off the earth to stay standing ;) |
| 23:18.32 | rtyler | heh |
| 23:18.48 | rtyler | is there a motion sensor in the Neo a la the iPhone? |
| 23:18.49 | SpeedEvil | I tend not to compute that. |
| 23:18.54 | SpeedEvil | rtyler: no |
| 23:19.00 | rtyler | bummer, that'd be fun ;) |
| 23:19.08 | SpeedEvil | I let the analog computers in my shoes do that computation. |
| 23:19.17 | rtyler | haha |
| 23:19.17 | SpeedEvil | There is in the next version. |
| 23:19.26 | mjr | I doubt the iPhone has a motion sensor either. Now, an acceleration sensor... |
| 23:19.28 | mellon | So how's the power management methodology coming? |
| 23:19.40 | rtyler | SpeedEvil: as in, production run, or next iteration of the product? |
| 23:19.49 | SpeedEvil | See the Power Managment page on teh wiki. |
| 23:19.49 | doc|work | rtyler: the release version |
| 23:19.52 | mjr | rtyler, GTA02 |
| 23:19.54 | SpeedEvil | mellon: basically slowly. |
| 23:20.27 | mellon | OK. I haven't gotten mail since yesterday for some reason, so I'm out of the loop. |
| 23:22.36 | SpeedEvil | Ok - latest measurements. Playing mpeg with sound - VCD quality - some 3.75 hours battery life. down to 2.5 hours if you crank the volume. |
| 23:24.15 | abraxa_ | What about cranking the volume but mono only? |
| 23:24.32 | abraxa_ | As in... only one channel active, the other muted |
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| 23:24.58 | SpeedEvil | 2*0.3W output uses more power than 1*0.6W |
| 23:25.21 | SpeedEvil | as the audio chip is not class D. |
| 23:25.40 | abraxa_ | I meant leaving one of the speakers muted and routing L+R to the remaining one |
| 23:26.00 | SpeedEvil | That will save a little power at modest volume. |
| 23:26.10 | abraxa_ | That's what I thought :o |
| 23:26.19 | SpeedEvil | Basically. |
| 23:26.36 | SpeedEvil | Effeciency of the speaker output amp rises a little as the volume gets near maximum. |
| 23:27.05 | mjr | sounds decent uptime for video playback to me |
| 23:27.12 | abraxa_ | Likewise, mjr |
| 23:27.20 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: they seem to already have found that out, since they deleted one of the twin speakers ;-) |
| 23:27.24 | abraxa_ | And any idea what class the amp is then, SpeedEvil? |
| 23:27.39 | SpeedEvil | AB I assume |
| 23:27.41 | SpeedEvil | it's linear |
| 23:27.45 | abraxa_ | cesarb: I tend to think that was due to making space for WiFi |
| 23:28.18 | SpeedEvil | See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_amplifier |
| 23:28.39 | SpeedEvil | As to a speaker hack. |
| 23:28.51 | SpeedEvil | Take a large bit of cardboard - 40cm*40cm |
| 23:28.55 | cesarb | abraxa_: ssshhh ;-) |
| 23:29.04 | SpeedEvil | cut a 1.8*5cm hole in the middle. |
| 23:29.14 | SpeedEvil | Poke the neo through so the speakers just protrude. |
| 23:29.19 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Oh, I get the idea now... my bad, it's late ;) |
| 23:29.20 | SpeedEvil | Much better sound. |
| 23:30.03 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: So the sound waves travel through the cardboard? |
| 23:31.30 | SpeedEvil | No - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker_enclosure#Infinite_baffle |
| 23:31.44 | SpeedEvil | (to a poor approximation) |
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| 23:35.39 | mellon | So am I right to conclude that the phone comes with a kernel, but no rootfs? I sort of thought it had neither until you flashed it, but it booted right up and panicked immediately with a complaint about missing init! |
| 23:35.49 | mjr | mellon, correct |
| 23:35.56 | mjr | that's a factory screwup |
| 23:36.00 | mjr | luckily not too bad |
| 23:36.01 | mellon | heh |
| 23:36.11 | mellon | I'm delighted. |
| 23:36.22 | rtyler | mellon: it's quite a pretty panic though ain't it? :D |
| 23:36.25 | mjr | so just flash on a more recent kernel and rootfs and you're good to go |
| 23:36.32 | mellon | Oh yeah. It is indeed. |
| 23:36.32 | mjr | rtyler, pretty, yes |
| 23:36.44 | mjr | and it's got a PENGUIN! |
| 23:37.14 | rtyler | *bork* *bork* |
| 23:37.22 | mellon | The Penguin rocks. Looks like nobody's wikified the work that was done the last couple of days on flashing from Mac OS X. |
| 23:39.44 | mellon | So has anybody pointed out that if the iPhone is the Jesus phone, the Neo is the Buddha phone? |
| 23:40.13 | abraxa_ | Jesus phone... lol... |
| 23:41.17 | mellon | Drat, I thought I was being original. |
| 23:41.26 | rtyler | well, not the budda phone comment |
| 23:41.30 | rtyler | sorry, you can have that ;) |
| 23:41.40 | mjr | Budda budda budda... |
| 23:46.18 | abraxa_ | doc|work: Really? I dunno... could be fun to be the pope and suddenly make all christians liberal. |
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| 23:51.13 | SpeedEvil | s/christians/catholics/ |
| 23:53.40 | abraxa_ | Ah, my bad |
| 23:53.43 | abraxa_ | Thanks :) |
| 23:54.25 | SpeedEvil | Do all neos have the same ethernet MAC? |
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| 23:55.53 | mjr | SpeedEvil, apparently the usb mac is randomized |
| 23:55.57 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:56.47 | mjr | someone complained on the device-owners list, I commented a bit, some guy seemed to take it on himself to make a persistent mac by caching one generated from the BT one |
| 23:57.00 | mjr | (it's settable via ifconfig) |
| 23:57.35 | mjr | apparently MacOS X deals suboptimally with the mac changing around |
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| 23:58.29 | mjr | which michael was michael@crosscode.org... |
| 23:59.31 | SpeedEvil | Ethernet MAC changing is bad. |
| 23:59.54 | mjr | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-August/000181.html is the stated intent to do something about it |
| 23:59.58 | mjr | and there's the thread around it |