| 00:00.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2003 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-footer/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:00.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am, src/taskitem.c, src/taskitem.h, src/taskmanager.c: |
| 00:00.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Add support for taskitems (consisting of an image and a label) |
| 00:00.34 | balrog-kun | well, i know how to suspend Linux in a cross-platform manner with only "echo" and /sys |
| 00:04.25 | Elrond | balrog-kun - Oh, how? |
| 00:10.40 | Elrond | (anyway. I need to go to bed. I'll read the answers tomorrow.) |
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| 00:30.40 | balrog-kun | oops |
| 00:30.40 | balrog-kun | Elrond: echo standby > /sys/power/state |
| 00:30.41 | balrog-kun | this is immediate, and "standby" is equivalend with "mem" |
| 00:30.41 | balrog-kun | but i don't know if there's a similar thing for completely powering off |
| 00:35.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Minime]] [[Messages]] [[Dialer]] [[Bluetooth_powered_Multi-SIM_support]] [[Wish_List]] [[Wishlist:Tagging]] [[Talk:Messages]] [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 02:12.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2004 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: fix initialization order: first register input device, then enable interrupt. Otherwise the interrupt might come in too early and cause kernel oops. (Matt Hsu) |
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| 02:26.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2005 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20070516-mfsl.patch: this patch is now in u-boot mainline |
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| 02:53.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Rich]] |
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| 03:14.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2006 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: * fix typo resulting in compile failure |
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| 04:52.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ/zh_cn]] |
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| 05:00.57 | billl_ | counter |
| 05:00.57 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, 2 days 06:59:17 (9.291 +-5.0 days) (1209;208) |
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| 05:37.59 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: Making Neo Brickproof, was comments after reading Wiki |
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| 06:04.09 | roh | re |
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| 06:22.30 | Mandarino | counter |
| 06:22.31 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, 2 days 05:37:44 (9.235 +-5.0 days) (1210;208) |
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| 06:34.31 | massi | hi, i would like to partecipate in openmoko project with italian translation. could you help me to start? |
| 06:34.31 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) |
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| 07:00.11 | _alcik_ | hello all |
| 07:02.02 | _alcik_ | I was trying to build openmoko using MokoMakefile and run into known problem, as I believie, registered in bugzilla under 'Bug 264' |
| 07:02.37 | _alcik_ | it was supposed to be resolved and it is not |
| 07:02.38 | _alcik_ | :-( |
| 07:03.18 | _alcik_ | I can manualy ./configure for this package but it still should be fixed |
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| 07:04.48 | aloril | first time this triggers: "said MokoMakefile -> not newbie: alcik" ;-) |
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| 07:42.17 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:10.58 | KragenSitaker | still no news about the may 10 production run? |
| 08:11.44 | mjr | KragenSitaker, there was news that it was delayed by about two weeks on logistical issues |
| 08:12.13 | KragenSitaker | oh, hey, that's great. i mean, it sucks that it's delayed, but it's great that there's news. |
| 08:12.56 | KragenSitaker | i had missed the email |
| 08:13.07 | KragenSitaker | maybe this shouldbe in the /topic |
| 08:13.14 | KragenSitaker | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005241.html |
| 08:14.21 | jeddy3_ | counter? |
| 08:14.21 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, 2 days 03:45:53 (9.157 +-5.0 days) (1211;208) |
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| 08:15.27 | aloril | KragenSitaker: [[Neo1973]] page was updated |
| 08:15.43 | aloril | (and page mentioned few lines up too) |
| 08:17.06 | KragenSitaker | aloril: thanks ;) |
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| 08:20.28 | stefreak | Hi |
| 08:20.35 | stefreak | I have a small question |
| 08:20.48 | mjr | no, not yet, late May hopefully |
| 08:20.48 | stefreak | is it possible to run moko on an vm? |
| 08:20.49 | aloril | stefreak: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 08:21.15 | mjr | oh, that; yes, qemu, though you don't necessarily need a vm, since you can compile it for x86 |
| 08:22.06 | stefreak | It runs on quemu? |
| 08:22.22 | stefreak | *qemu |
| 08:23.13 | roh | stefreak there is a special modiefied version of qemu which tries to reensemble the hardware as good as possible. currently you can already boot the same binary images which run on the real moko in this qemu |
| 08:23.51 | roh | stefreak see the wiki. mokomakefile can help you build that qemu and 'flash' it with the images you can compile |
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| 08:25.14 | PBeck | hoi |
| 08:25.20 | stefreak | hmm i'm not that specialist ... can i get a pre-builded qemu everywhere? |
| 08:25.32 | stefreak | anywhere^^ |
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| 08:28.58 | roh | stefreak afaik currently there are none avail. |
| 08:29.50 | stefreak | ok thank you |
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| 08:45.21 | stefreak | is there any warranty on the smartphone itself when i buy it? |
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| 08:50.25 | tholin | stefreak: I saw some list of what's included in the package and it listed a warranty note so I guess so. |
| 08:51.14 | stefreak | i think it would be a flop when no :) |
| 08:51.23 | stefreak | it's an interesting project |
| 08:52.37 | _alcik_ | stefreak: but still remember that one supposed to be sold late May is 'for developers' version |
| 08:53.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Look_%26_Feel]] [[Wish_List]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Screen_Saver]] |
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| 09:02.11 | tholin | I wounder how flexible the hardware will be. You will be able to use it as a gprs modem over usb. Will it also be possible to use it as a wifi card over usb if future versions get wiki? |
| 09:03.25 | stefreak | i heard that it has no wifi integrated ... |
| 09:04.59 | LuitvD | stefreak: the P1+ version will have wifi |
| 09:05.12 | Hopscotch | running linux it should be as easy as inserting a nat-rule to make it an wifi<->usb adapter |
| 09:05.52 | LuitvD | yeh... |
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| 09:06.30 | LuitvD | but I don't think that will be very fast... |
| 09:08.36 | Hopscotch | i got 700kb/s via scp over usb |
| 09:08.51 | Hopscotch | not good for copying videos, but perfect for surfing |
| 09:09.14 | Hopscotch | and scp involves crypto - so plain usb/eth <-> wifi should be faster |
| 09:09.23 | koen | currently it's the best way |
| 09:09.33 | koen | since the sd slot is _beneath_ the battery |
| 09:10.30 | Hopscotch | yeah... and beneath the sim... |
| 09:10.37 | Hopscotch | but for sd access it's perfect |
| 09:15.16 | buz | version 1+ might also have usb2 |
| 09:15.27 | buz | at least s3c244X has usb2 |
| 09:16.58 | Hopscotch | does it? |
| 09:17.49 | XorA | 2443 has usb2 |
| 09:19.58 | buz | 2440 does not according to datasheet (ive just checked) |
| 09:20.46 | buz | 2443 can do 2.0 device, 1.1 host |
| 09:21.18 | buz | http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/MobileSoC/ApplicationProcessor/ARM9Series/S3C2443/S3C2443.htm |
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| 09:29.36 | KragenSitaker | the 1.1 host is about 1000x more interesting to me than the device |
| 09:29.55 | Hopscotch | 2.0 compliant doesn't say much about the speed |
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| 09:49.54 | tholin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mobile_phone_use_world2.PNG |
| 09:50.13 | tholin | interesting statistics. I would have thought japan would be highest. |
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| 09:51.15 | tholin | Europe ftw! |
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| 10:16.58 | buz | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=17936 |
| 10:17.10 | buz | off the shelf bluetooth AP |
| 10:17.47 | buz | but its ~240usd |
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| 10:27.38 | ALexman | hi to all |
| 10:28.04 | ALexman | i want to ask |
| 10:28.19 | Stephmw | we want to answer |
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| 10:28.21 | ALexman | how do mount the sd |
| 10:28.28 | ALexman | in moko |
| 10:28.54 | ALexman | what daemon or etc? |
| 10:28.55 | aloril | ALexman: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 10:33.44 | Fletch | counter |
| 10:33.44 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, 2 days 01:26:30 (9.060 +-5.0 days) (1212;208) |
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| 10:53.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Shipping_Notes]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Screen_Saver]] |
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| 11:13.52 | Stephmw | Python+(some native gfx binding)... not OSS, but interesting, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5617889988.html |
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| 11:33.25 | GaKKGaKk | What is the latest news considering OpenMoko? |
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| 11:33.54 | SpeedEvil | Couple of week delay till hardware |
| 11:34.06 | SpeedEvil | Well - buyable hardware |
| 11:36.08 | GaKKGaKk | And how long for usable hardware? |
| 11:36.14 | GaKKGaKk | :) |
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| 11:36.47 | Moo^ | 5 years? :) |
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| 11:37.53 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean by usable? |
| 11:38.26 | SpeedEvil | In a couple of weekish you'll be able to buy a small X box with some rudimentary phone apps on it. |
| 11:38.53 | SpeedEvil | All the hardware actually works - the software to drive it is very |
| 11:39.02 | GaKKGaKk | not? |
| 11:39.05 | SpeedEvil | prototype at the moment |
| 11:39.25 | SpeedEvil | Expect more polished end-user stuff in several months |
| 11:41.52 | GaKKGaKk | Kind of weird really... I would expect software to develop faster than hardware. Especially in an Open Source environment. |
| 11:42.01 | GaKKGaKk | btw. http://www.colorwarepc.com/ + Neo1973 ... |
| 11:43.46 | Elrond | GaKKGaKk - Part of the software is the linux kernel, which is not "hack away". That's, why it takes its time. |
| 11:45.37 | GaKKGaKk | How's the situation for people who want to write their own programs now then? Is the documentation and tools in place? |
| 11:46.04 | Elrond | GaKKGaKk - For normal userspace stuff? Basicly yes. |
| 11:46.29 | Elrond | GaKKGaKk - You can even just compile stuff on your normal desktop and test there. |
| 11:47.44 | GaKKGaKk | Elrond: Are there any "starter guides" to OpenMoko dev work then? I would really like to take a look at it, |
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| 11:49.45 | Elrond | GaKKGaKk - Try this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC |
| 11:50.39 | GaKKGaKk | thnx |
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| 11:53.43 | Elrond | koen - Do you know of your head, if there's a method to upadate the bad block list with more bad blocks? |
| 11:55.30 | koen | no idea on that |
| 11:56.22 | XorA | there is a nand markbad or something like that in uboot |
| 11:56.30 | XorA | not sure if that adds it to the BBT as well though |
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| 11:56.49 | Elrond | XorA - Yeah, just found it. |
| 11:57.12 | balrog-kun | nand markbad off - mark bad block at offset (UNSAFE) |
| 11:57.12 | balrog-kun | nand biterr off - make a bit error at offset (UNSAFE) |
| 11:57.19 | Elrond | But it's makred as "UNSAFW" in the u-boot wiki page. |
| 11:57.32 | XorA | Elrond: thats because its one way |
| 11:57.37 | balrog-kun | "help nand" shows this |
| 11:58.06 | XorA | Elrond: on my bv2 pre BBT I had to markbad a whole bunch of blacks by hand |
| 11:58.40 | Elrond | XorA - How did you find the blocks to mark? |
| 11:58.53 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: What are you doing to this nice phone ;) |
| 11:59.21 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, why is the CIA bot not here. Public holiday? |
| 11:59.53 | so_solid_moo | he's on oftc, maybe he got banned from freenode ;) |
| 12:00.00 | XorA | Elrond: the ones I couldnt write to |
| 12:00.01 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I'm trying my best not to hurt it. :-( |
| 12:00.24 | Elrond | XorA - "write" to using u-boot? |
| 12:00.30 | XorA | maybe handhelds.org trademarked it |
| 12:00.59 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: It's fine. :) |
| 12:01.09 | stefan_schmidt | so_solid_moo: He is alos on #openezx |
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| 12:05.27 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I might have ended up on this issue: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware#Bad_block and now I'm looking around for help (how to know, that I ended on this issue, how to workaround it) |
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| 12:14.30 | Moo^ | hmm. another moo has appeared :) |
| 12:14.53 | LuitvD | meh? :P |
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| 12:34.45 | ewon | counter |
| 12:34.46 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, a day 23:25:29 (8.976 +-5.0 days) (1213;208) |
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| 12:44.01 | _alcik_ | is there some nice gui app for monotone ? |
| 12:44.47 | XorA | rxvt |
| 12:45.24 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 12:47.19 | _alcik_ | :-) its really nice... but Ive ment something with more GUIness |
| 12:47.58 | koen | didn't you hear, they cracked sha1 |
| 12:48.23 | koen | or maybe sha1 was trademarked by an ass |
| 12:49.29 | stefan_schmidt | http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20070517_0000346824 |
| 12:50.46 | tholin | \o/ |
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| 12:52.18 | tholin | no price but I'm guessing expensive. |
| 12:52.56 | stefan_schmidt | tholin: expected for 2010 :) |
| 12:53.28 | thomasg_gpm | no stefan_schmidt :) |
| 12:53.49 | thomasg_gpm | its expected for 2010 that 8 GB is standard (the capacity normally used) |
| 12:54.17 | stefan_schmidt | tholin: Let us see when you buy one. 4GB cards are still not available :) |
| 12:54.40 | thomasg_gpm | the 8gb microsd will be available in 2007 (maybe until the p2 release?) |
| 12:55.34 | thomasg_gpm | 4 gb microsds are available in germany for about 90-100$ |
| 12:55.36 | stefan_schmidt | thomasg_gpm: I still doubt this, but the future will tell. |
| 12:56.00 | stefan_schmidt | thomasg_gpm: So you have one? Every shop announce this cards don't have them on stock :) |
| 12:57.22 | stefan_schmidt | thomasg_gpm: So if you have a shop which really can send us tell me. OpenMoko like to have this tested officially. |
| 12:57.29 | thomasg_gpm | stefan_schmidt, you're right, but SDHC in normal size are already available and there never was a microSDHC, so they should be available soon |
| 12:58.33 | thomasg_gpm | stefan_schmidt, I'll see if we (mobile phone carrier) already have some testdevices |
| 12:58.43 | stefan_schmidt | thomasg_gpm: yeah, that's my knowledge, too. SDHC is no problem at all. The small formfactor is the problem. |
| 12:59.08 | stefan_schmidt | thomasg_gpm: Would be great. I wrote sandisk a mail, but got no reply. |
| 12:59.13 | thomasg_gpm | yeah, they are really tiny :) |
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| 13:00.03 | stefan_schmidt | Hi LetoTo. Long not seen. How is all the cryptphone stuff going? |
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| 13:05.57 | Richard | Hi, Is it possible to port openmoko to kernel 2.4? |
| 13:06.39 | koen | no |
| 13:06.51 | koen | better spend your time porting your device to 2.6 |
| 13:07.07 | Bish | lol |
| 13:07.20 | Richard | oh, Thanks |
| 13:07.30 | roh | Richard noone tried, and noone with a sane mind will do |
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| 13:13.44 | koen | XorA: the in-kernel muxer would be a deal breaker |
| 13:15.04 | ewon | who the hell still uses 2.4? |
| 13:15.26 | Stephmw | nutcases and Motorola |
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| 13:15.38 | ewon | madness |
| 13:15.39 | KragenSitaker | 2.4 is still stabler than 2.6 |
| 13:15.46 | tholin | What does the gsm kernel muxer actually do? There is a lot of talk about it on the wiki. |
| 13:15.46 | ewon | it's like those retards still using RHEL3 for stuff |
| 13:15.50 | KragenSitaker | also smaller |
| 13:16.07 | ewon | 2.4 smells of old-man-turds |
| 13:18.14 | Mukunda | Haha, perhaps late may... Ah geez, I hope it'll come soon. |
| 13:18.40 | roh | KragenSitaker sorry.. but thats just not true. |
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| 13:19.28 | roh | 2.6 is much more modular and better optimizeable for mobile uses |
| 13:19.45 | Bish | will there be any hardware changes between p1 and 2? |
| 13:20.20 | XorA | Bish: massive |
| 13:20.30 | Bish | damn and when will p2 come out? |
| 13:20.36 | Bish | i want to buy it. im crazy about it xD |
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| 13:21.04 | fledermaus | aloril: counter |
| 13:21.04 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, a day 22:39:10 (8.944 +-5.0 days) (1214;208) |
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| 13:33.12 | loufoque | Bish: never |
| 13:33.14 | loufoque | or in a long time |
| 13:33.33 | Bish | loufoque: so i have to buy p1 this year? |
| 13:34.05 | loufoque | p1 is aimed at developers, not average users |
| 13:34.13 | loufoque | plus there will be an hardware upgrade after that |
| 13:34.33 | Bish | so .. i have to wait for more than 1 year? |
| 13:34.42 | loufoque | no |
| 13:34.53 | loufoque | I don't think so |
| 13:35.03 | Bish | so , how long will i have to wait :P .. half year? |
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| 13:35.13 | loufoque | maybe |
| 13:35.28 | Bish | ok thanks for answering |
| 13:35.36 | loufoque | for example P1 was originally planned in april, and it's not even out yet |
| 13:35.54 | loufoque | looks like openmoko has quite some delay |
| 13:36.03 | loufoque | or rather the neo1973 has |
| 13:36.56 | Kensan | Does anybody know what kind of projects in the realm of crypto/security are underway? |
| 13:37.26 | loufoque | Bish: phase 2 was originally planned for September |
| 13:37.58 | Bish | ahh that would be great :P |
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| 14:01.00 | buz | rofl |
| 14:01.15 | buz | my 20" lcd makes noise lately, and different noise depending on what it displays |
| 14:01.18 | buz | annoying as hell |
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| 14:04.20 | Moo^ | buz: are you sure it's the monitor, not your sound card taking interference from the graphics card? |
| 14:04.32 | buz | its the screen |
| 14:04.58 | Moo^ | hmmm... then it's a bad sign |
| 14:05.12 | buz | ah well its 3 years old |
| 14:05.23 | buz | noise comes only when external screen is on, and definitely from the screen |
| 14:05.34 | buz | a dvi screen should never make noise because of soundcard |
| 14:05.43 | buz | and vice versa shouldnt really happen either |
| 14:05.48 | Moo^ | my monitor did that before giving up its magic smoke |
| 14:05.57 | buz | i had one who did this for years |
| 14:06.00 | Moo^ | the high frequency tranformer blew up or something |
| 14:06.02 | buz | until it pissed me off to badly |
| 14:06.06 | buz | yeah sounds like that |
| 14:06.12 | buz | still weird its affected by what it displays |
| 14:06.23 | Moo^ | depends on frequencies |
| 14:06.34 | Moo^ | and it uses different voltage for brighter areas and so on |
| 14:06.36 | buz | as i said, it's hooked up via dvi |
| 14:06.46 | buz | that should not differe in frequency |
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| 14:09.13 | buz | whats this thing about massive hardware upgrade? |
| 14:09.31 | SpeedEvil | It's going to have FPGAs and ponies now. |
| 14:10.51 | buz | no v8? :-( |
| 14:11.20 | tholin | omg ponies! I'll be the first one to order the pink edition. |
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| 14:11.24 | LuitvD | :P |
| 14:11.35 | LuitvD | damn, beaten in the 'omg ponies' reaction :P |
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| 14:20.17 | LetoTo | (09:36:41 AM) Kensan: Does anybody know what kind of projects in the realm of crypto/security are underway? |
| 14:20.42 | LetoTo | Me and my company are going to add ipsec/l2tp/openvpn/sip client |
| 14:21.12 | guaqua | open sourced? |
| 14:21.26 | LetoTo | yeah |
| 14:21.31 | LetoTo | it's all opensource software |
| 14:21.43 | buz | yeah neat, wengophone finally talks to other sip providers |
| 14:21.46 | LetoTo | (I'm from xelerance, the guys who write/maintain openswan and xl2tpd) |
| 14:22.11 | tonyg | so, the 10 may production run didn't happen - is the 20th still on target? |
| 14:22.25 | buz | we dont really know |
| 14:22.47 | tonyg | ah. |
| 14:24.25 | mjr | probably not, since the word was that production was delayed by about two weeks |
| 14:24.34 | bmidgley | has anyone gotten the bluetooth adapter to power up? |
| 14:24.34 | mjr | so it should be about 24th, if I interpret correctly |
| 14:24.35 | tonyg | oh, I see. ok. that makes sense |
| 14:24.53 | tonyg | my current phone is dying slowly so I'm **really** keen to get a new one and start hacking :-) |
| 14:24.56 | bmidgley | modprobe hci_usb worked, did the echo 1>/sys/.../power_on |
| 14:25.03 | bmidgley | hciconfig -a is still empty |
| 14:29.07 | buz | neat, openwengo works perfectly with my existing sip account |
| 14:29.51 | Kensan | LetoTo: Thanks for the info. Anybody looking at dm-crypt+jffs2? |
| 14:31.30 | LetoTo | not yet, but we do want to encrypt the fs |
| 14:31.34 | LetoTo | not sure how feasable it is though |
| 14:31.39 | dwmw2_gone | not hard |
| 14:31.46 | LetoTo | because anyone can take the flash and start brute forcing it |
| 14:31.50 | dwmw2_gone | you wouldn't use dm-crypt |
| 14:31.59 | dwmw2_gone | you'd hook crypto into the jffs2 compression bits |
| 14:32.08 | LetoTo | so unless someone comes up with some "scribble -> passwd" scheme, I dont think it will work |
| 14:32.12 | buz | i would use ext3 on dm-crypt on the sd card |
| 14:32.13 | LetoTo | pincodes are just not big enough |
| 14:32.25 | dwmw2_gone | the only real difference between crypto and compression, as far as the file system is concerned, is that crypto doesn't shrink the data quite as much :) |
| 14:32.37 | Bish | is the neo1973 a high quality mobilephone or a cheap taiwan product :P ? |
| 14:32.39 | dwmw2_gone | and you need to make crypto _mandatory_ so it's stored 'compressed' even if it isn't smaller |
| 14:32.54 | buz | maybe encfs on jffs2 would work |
| 14:33.08 | buz | i havent had very good experiences with encfs though |
| 14:33.18 | LetoTo | you wouldnt be able to compress it anymore |
| 14:33.29 | LetoTo | if it is goof crypto, it's all pretty uncompressable random |
| 14:33.29 | buz | i dont really care |
| 14:33.31 | LetoTo | good |
| 14:33.31 | dwmw2_gone | buz: why encfs instead of what I just said? |
| 14:33.32 | aloril | dwmw2_gone: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:33.39 | buz | because it needs no hacking ;) |
| 14:33.55 | buz | and hacking crypto correctly is hard |
| 14:34.03 | dwmw2_gone | no it isn't |
| 14:34.05 | Bish | somebody got a neo1973 here? |
| 14:34.08 | dwmw2_gone | the _crypto_ parts are done |
| 14:34.11 | dwmw2_gone | Bish: yeah |
| 14:34.17 | Bish | dwmw2_gone: is it high quality? |
| 14:34.26 | dwmw2_gone | it's just a case of plugging them into the existing jffs2 compression core, as I said |
| 14:34.31 | dwmw2_gone | Bish: define 'high quality' |
| 14:34.59 | Bish | hm... like.. it wont get broken |
| 14:35.07 | dwmw2_gone | it seems quite robust to me |
| 14:35.29 | Bish | ah cool thats what im talkin about :P thanks |
| 14:35.29 | dwmw2_gone | that's just my impression though -- obviously I haven't tried hard to break it yet :) |
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| 14:38.07 | Bish | man i want a neo1973 too :p but the final version :P |
| 14:38.59 | kslater | seems like they could sell a fair amount of this phone just to geeks that don't want to bow down to Apple |
| 14:40.41 | Bish | xD |
| 14:40.42 | guaqua | or to geeks who might wanna write apps with decent tools and decent languages |
| 14:42.50 | LuitvD | hmm, is the Neo1973 going to be displayed on the electronics & automation 2007 too? |
| 14:43.13 | LuitvD | next week in utrecht, NL |
| 14:43.24 | LuitvD | wednesday till friday |
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| 14:46.06 | Bish | whats about cebit :p in germany? |
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| 14:47.28 | LuitvD | Bish: where in germany? :) |
| 14:47.33 | guaqua | hannover i think |
| 14:47.35 | Bish | hannover |
| 14:47.36 | Bish | yeah |
| 14:53.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] [[Talk:Screen_Saver]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 15:00.36 | Kensan | dwmw2_gone: I think the tricky part is to gather some sensible information whether adding crypto to jffs2 will significantly increase writes to the flash... |
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| 15:02.14 | buz | uhm what happens when i do PWM on a fan? |
| 15:02.15 | Kensan | LetoTo: One could be using Tokens/Smartcards that you have to plugin at "bootup"/"wakeup" if you want "strong" security. |
| 15:03.36 | Kensan | LetoTo: I don't know if one could even use the SIM-Card for that... I don't know how restricted the access to the SIM-Card is and what functionality it could offer. |
| 15:03.57 | SpeedEvil | buz: Generally - it goes slower |
| 15:04.06 | SpeedEvil | Some behave better than others. |
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| 15:09.17 | simon_ | i sniffer :D |
| 15:09.19 | buz | yeah but do the fans fail faster when i do pwm? |
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| 15:42.19 | don-o | slightly off topic but the iPhone got FCC approval. https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=268052&fcc_id='BCGA1203' |
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| 15:49.30 | mrcucumber | Any ETA on the purchase of Phase 1 devices? |
| 15:49.47 | mrcucumber | or know how the May 10th run went? |
| 15:51.54 | Elrond | mrcucumber - The May 10th run was delayed by 2 weeks. |
| 15:54.21 | mrcucumber | Bummer |
| 15:54.32 | mrcucumber | shouldn't someone update the wiki? |
| 15:55.03 | mrcucumber | oh, someone has |
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| 16:01.13 | pjz | countre |
| 16:01.15 | pjz | counter |
| 16:01.15 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, a day 19:58:59 (8.833 +-5.0 days) (1215;208) |
| 16:04.37 | TRIsoft | gtg cu |
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| 16:15.36 | Marex-notebook | hmm ... do you think I can get a free mokophone proto too? ;-) |
| 16:16.04 | Marex-notebook | ... as a development and testing platform |
| 16:16.10 | mjr | are you hot shit? |
| 16:16.34 | Marex-notebook | dunno, I made a few ports |
| 16:16.50 | Marex-notebook | palmz71 and palmtt some time ago, my current project is palmtc and palmld |
| 16:17.30 | Marex-notebook | Im cooperating with hackndev (see hackndev.com) |
| 16:17.32 | mjr | 'cause basically, the freebie-getters have been selected already earlier this year, but if one is hot shit, it'd probably be worth a shot. |
| 16:17.46 | mjr | (I'm not affiliated with FIC or OpenMoko inc.) |
| 16:18.30 | Marex-notebook | mjr, well ... I was wondering rather because palm devices are a bit weak on hardware, so I can have some stronger testing device |
| 16:19.00 | Marex-notebook | for testing userspace stuff (GPE on lifedrive is really slow :-/ ) |
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| 16:29.20 | guaqua | 5421 |
| 16:43.05 | SpeedEvil | Damn. This is getting silly. |
| 16:43.29 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to remember where I'd learned from an accidental release the numbers in the first run. |
| 16:43.43 | SpeedEvil | I realise it now was a dream. |
| 16:49.51 | tholin | is there any real danger of destroying the device when you tinker with it? |
| 16:50.14 | tholin | like overwriting the 4K region the bootloader needs? |
| 16:53.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Screen_Saver]] |
| 16:53.57 | roh | tholin actually the bootloader is about 265k big and is not protected. but there's jtag on the device and a easy to use debugboard is avail for it |
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| 16:54.45 | roh | which features a serial and jtag at the same time and gets completely supplied via usb, so you don't need an old notebook with serial or parallel on it |
| 16:55.26 | tholin | if need be, I have a 286 standing by. |
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| 16:57.44 | Elrond | Do I get that right? While the phone is on, pressing the power button for 8 seconds should power off the phone, not matter what else is going on inside it? |
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| 17:01.24 | Elrond | Hi ossman |
| 17:01.33 | ossman | evening |
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| 17:36.24 | zecke | mickey|moving: are you around? |
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| 17:40.57 | zecke | why do we need moko_stock_register()? |
| 17:41.19 | zecke | just make a __attribute__((constructor)) and if you link to libmokoui it will initialize the stuff... |
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| 17:45.37 | Elrond | zecke - Maybe because OM apps want to run on platforms without the GNU linker? |
| 17:46.08 | zecke | the GNU linker is free |
| 17:46.39 | Elrond | But not ported to all the platforms that have a c-compiler (or gcc), I think. |
| 17:47.09 | Elrond | I would guess, it's still not ported to aix. ;o) |
| 17:47.13 | zecke | Elrond: all Unix systems I regulary use have a working cxa_init :) |
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| 17:47.40 | zecke | shame on me, I forgot our target platform AIX |
| 17:48.24 | Elrond | Oh, so you have also been infected by the standard GNU "do never ever consider AIX a worthwhile platform to port your app to"-virus? ;o)) |
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| 18:44.27 | Elrond | <5>JFFS2 notice: (1121) read_unknown: unknown RWCOMPAT_DELETE nodetype 0X2000 at 0x06f614 |
| 18:44.31 | Elrond | <4>JFFS2 warning: (1121) jffs2_do_read_inode_internal: no data nodes found for ino #31 |
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| 19:01.53 | webjames | weird question: does anyone remember the tv show with a talking motorcycle i'm sure it was called black something.. similar to knight rider |
| 19:02.22 | Tv | i think street hawk |
| 19:02.29 | Tv | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Hawk |
| 19:02.37 | webjames | nice.. that was quick! |
| 19:03.12 | webjames | Tv that's it brilliant |
| 19:03.29 | Tv | hey i watched it ;) |
| 19:09.52 | Maybelline | Do you guys remember "Manimal?" |
| 19:09.52 | aloril | Maybelline: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 19:31.42 | webjames | Maybelline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manimal i don't remember it but it sounds pretty funny, if a little budget |
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| 20:54.28 | kiney_ | counter |
| 20:54.29 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, a day 15:05:46 (8.629 +-5.0 days) (1216;208) |
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| 21:03.18 | don-o | the only thing the counter has accurately predicted is when it will be reset to two weeks from now. |
| 21:07.19 | Elrond | *G* |
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| 21:10.50 | Elrond | Hi Bish |
| 21:18.10 | Bish-drunk | Hi Elrond |
| 21:18.22 | Bish-drunk | sup? |
| 21:18.23 | aloril | Bish-drunk: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:18.40 | Bish-drunk | ? |
| 21:18.45 | Bish-drunk | blub? |
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| 21:23.17 | Elrond | Bish-drunk - Your nick suggests, that you've drunken a bit? ;) |
| 21:27.12 | Bish-drunk | yeah a little bit xD |
| 21:27.23 | Bish-drunk | jack daniels ftw |
| 21:28.14 | Bish-drunk | but i still want to buy phase2 of openmoko !! (neo1937) |
| 21:28.43 | Elrond | 1937 is a bit far away ;o) |
| 21:30.12 | Bish-drunk | damn xD 73 |
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| 21:34.25 | Elrond | So the jack daniels already has changed your typing? ;o) |
| 21:35.06 | balrog-kun | or warped the time |
| 21:35.33 | Elrond | balrog-kun - hehe :-) |
| 21:36.18 | Elrond | balrog-kun - echo standby >/sys/power/state made it standby for 0.3sec, after that it came back and usbnet did not work anymore. |
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| 21:41.21 | balrog-kun | Elrond: i noted the same happened the first time i tried it on the Neo yesterday, but now it suspends fine |
| 21:41.57 | balrog-kun | and it's so far the only way i found to suspend it with the default shipped OpenMoko install |
| 21:42.28 | balrog-kun | (which sucks but i want to back it up before i replace it with something better) |
| 21:42.53 | Bish-drunk | Elrond: no.. it changed my thinkin :P |
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| 21:44.13 | balrog-kun | however reconnecting the usb cable is a wakeup event just like the power button |
| 21:46.57 | Bish-drunk | <3 openmoko |
| 21:47.01 | Elrond | balrog-kun - I did not reconnect the usb-cable. It wokeup within 0.3sec. |
| 21:47.31 | balrog-kun | Elrond: have you tried only once? |
| 21:47.32 | Elrond | balrog-kun - Yeah... I noticed the wakeup thing. Put battery in, plug usb cable in... thing boots without using power button. ;o) |
| 21:48.13 | balrog-kun | i have it suspended right now using /sys/power/state, but i need to kill ssh everytime i do that |
| 21:48.26 | Elrond | balrog-kun - Yes. After the first try I again had to remove the battery, and I'm now waiting for comments on my bugreport before putting the battery back. ;) |
| 21:48.57 | balrog-kun | probably "(sleep 1; echo standby > /sys/power/state) & exit" would work better |
| 21:49.15 | balrog-kun | oh okay |
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| 22:03.52 | goki | so... there will be wifi in version 1.5? |
| 22:03.52 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 22:03.59 | goki | nice :) |
| 22:04.14 | LuitvD | 1-0 for aloril's script :P |
| 22:06.25 | Elrond | *G* |
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| 22:09.37 | mrcucumber | How would one start helping develope the software for open moko? |
| 22:10.04 | Elrond | mrcucumber - Build it for your desktop and go fixing bugs? :) |
| 22:10.06 | mrcucumber | I'm a college student with experience in C++/Java/Ruby |
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| 22:10.49 | Elrond | mrcucumber - Most is in C. |
| 22:11.09 | LuitvD | mrcucumber: well... read a bit of the wiki, hang around here, and just code what you think is right :P |
| 22:11.41 | mrcucumber | Elrond: I've built it using the moko make file, and it runs, I'm not sure where the code I'm supposed to be messing with lives though |
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| 22:14.58 | Elrond | mrcucumber - I haven't used the mokomakefile... |
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| 22:16.49 | mrcucumber | Elrond: How about you find me a simple bug to fix (I realize you can't exactly know what's simple until it's fixed, but still) and I'll figure out how to fix it. |
| 22:18.47 | Elrond | mrcucumber - My setup is a bit old, so I don't know, if it's still a bug (READ: Try to reproduce it, and if you can't look for next bug). Are you looking for GUI bugs? If so: Starting the openmoko-keyboard, while the taskmanager is active, looks funny. The taskmanager is partly transparent and one sees parts of they keyboard. ;) |
| 22:20.34 | mrcucumber | Elrond:Okay, I'm updating to the latest version and then I'll try and reproduce, but how does one pull up the keyboard? |
| 22:23.16 | Elrond | mrcucumber - http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=494571426&size=l&context=pool-339900@N21 |
| 22:23.38 | Elrond | mrcucumber - You see the white rectangle in the top? Click on it. |
| 22:24.09 | mrcucumber | Elrond:that's what that thing is for |
| 22:24.26 | mrcucumber | Elrond:are we planning on putting some keys their to make it look like a keyboard later? |
| 22:24.42 | goki | the screen looks really really good |
| 22:25.23 | Elrond | mrcucumber - On one screenshot it looked like a keyboard. :) |
| 22:26.22 | Elrond | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=412663954&size=l |
| 22:26.30 | Elrond | There it looks like a keyboard. |
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| 22:27.39 | mrcucumber | Elrond:is that a bug in it's self? |
| 22:27.49 | mrcucumber | Elrond:or jus tthe way the screen is tilted? |
| 22:27.52 | balrog-kun | this is how the original matchbox keyboard applet looks like, they removed the icons, i believe in order to replace them with something better later |
| 22:28.17 | Elrond | mrcucumber - See balrog-kun |
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| 22:28.41 | goki | http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412663954/in/pool-openmoko/ |
| 22:28.47 | goki | looks like a keyboard there |
| 22:29.04 | goki | actually that shot looks really fancy :) |
| 22:29.27 | goki | I don't really get why the top section has to look different from the bottom though |
| 22:29.28 | Elrond | goki - That's the screenshot I posted. ;) |
| 22:29.40 | balrog-kun | the wiki may have some mockup image from the graphics design people depicting how they want it to look, but i haven't seen any |
| 22:30.06 | Elrond | goki - Because the top is from matchbox, the bottom from openmoko. |
| 22:30.20 | Elrond | goki - koen does not boot stock openmoko rootfs ;) |
| 22:30.21 | balrog-kun | goki: note that the CPU usage and the batter level applets on this shot are also the old ones from original matchbox |
| 22:30.44 | goki | Elrond: heh yeah, I've been looking at the flickr album since the first link, so I didn't see it :) |
| 22:31.43 | goki | They look like nice icons, seems like a low priority to change them compared to getting other stuff done, but what do I know? :) |
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| 22:35.16 | DukeOfURL | In the pictures, the battery covers half of the SIM and microSD cards. What is in the space above the other half? |
| 22:35.36 | Elrond | DukeOfURL - Nothing. |
| 22:36.01 | DukeOfURL | Empty space? |
| 22:36.44 | Elrond | Yes. |
| 22:38.02 | Elrond | It's good for putting in your fingers to get the battery out. |
| 22:39.56 | balrog-kun | i think it's for smuggling small amounts of drugs |
| 22:40.03 | Elrond | *G* |
| 22:40.04 | hads | heh |
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| 22:40.48 | pjz_ | howdy all |
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| 22:41.09 | Elrond | Hi pjz_ |
| 22:41.55 | Elrond | Hi cworth! |
| 22:42.43 | pjz_ | i'm on via putty from my cell, wishing for an openmoko and a bt kbd |
| 22:42.44 | cworth | hi Elrond! |
| 22:42.56 | Elrond | pjz_ - ;o) |
| 22:43.14 | Elrond | pjz_ - So everybody within 10m could sniff your password? ;) |
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| 22:43.57 | Elrond | (or is BT crypto any good and is it supported at all?) |
| 22:44.31 | pjz_ | ugh isn't that encrypted yet? |
| 22:44.39 | parag0n__ | he's using putty, so it'll be ssh encrypted |
| 22:45.21 | hads | putty doesn't quite make it to the keyboard |
| 22:45.29 | Elrond | parag0n__ - For over the internet, yes. But "keyboard --> BT --> Neo" has the BT link. |
| 22:45.41 | parag0n__ | ah, good point |
| 22:45.42 | pjz_ | parag0n__:he means thd kbd link |
| 22:46.17 | Elrond | I have NO idea on BT security. |
| 22:46.38 | Elrond | It might be secure my now. But we all know, how secure Wifi was. ;o) |
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| 22:47.13 | pjz_ | that's got to be encrypted or most macs are compromised |
| 22:47.41 | Elrond | pjz_ - Well, it's only short range. Your attacker must be within meters. :-) |
| 22:48.43 | pjz_ | outside an office door is close enough to get the secretary's password |
| 22:48.56 | balrog-kun | is probably hiding under your desk, check there |
| 22:49.32 | Elrond | balrog-kun - *G* |
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| 22:50.45 | Kensan | Elrond: AFAIK, the BT protocol per se is regarded as secure but I read about some attack vectors depending on the implementation |
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| 22:52.23 | Elrond | Kensan - It's quite surprising, that they got something secure, that is even intended for headsets or so. |
| 22:52.26 | Kensan | Elrond: There's authentication and encryption between paired devices. Maybe this link is of interest: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1830 |
| 22:53.10 | pjz_ | cool |
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| 22:53.23 | Kensan | Elrond: If you scroll down to the "Vendor issues" part it talks about implementation issues |
| 22:53.37 | Elrond | Ahh. |
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| 22:54.49 | Kensan | Elrond: I don't want to be spamming the channel but there's a Part2 to that article: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1836 |
| 22:55.47 | pjz_ | well, bye for now! |
| 22:55.54 | don-o | Kensan: great links, thanks. |
| 22:57.09 | Kensan | don-o: Well google is your friend ;) Those articles are from 2005 though so maybe some other issues have come up since then... |
| 22:59.18 | zecke | night |
| 22:59.53 | Kensan | Elrond: There's also an "official" page [bluetooth.com]: http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Learn/Security/ |
| 23:00.17 | Kensan | and of course wikipedia has some (not so detailed) info I believe. |
| 23:01.02 | Elrond | Kensan - Many thanks. :-) |
| 23:02.02 | Kensan | Elrond: AFAIK Marcel Holtmann is the main dev of the linux bluetooth stack (bluez) and he has discovered some attacks himself. |
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| 23:04.33 | don-o | Kensan: the Car Whisperer situation could be fun :) |
| 23:05.59 | Kensan | don-o: There's other funny things you can do with car/navi systems ;) |
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| 23:09.00 | Kensan | don-o: at CanSecWest 07 some guys used the Traffic Message Channel of RDS to send fake data to navi systems. (http://dev.inversepath.com/rds/cansecwest_2007.pdf) |
| 23:10.11 | Kensan | (WARNING: it's a >13 Meg PDF!) |
| 23:16.13 | don-o | Kensan: i wish all slide sets were that interesting to read |
| 23:20.01 | Kensan | don-o: AFAIK the Neo1973 won't be affected though. It has no support for RDS, etc. |
| 23:24.26 | Elrond | It has BT ;) |
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| 23:25.52 | don-o | the new pass-less pairing in bluetooth 2.1 is interesting |
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