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| 00:10.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Talk:Music_Player]] |
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| 00:41.40 | roh | pjz every product we will do as mokos will be fully hackable. |
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| 01:26.54 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 17:16:33 (12.720 +-12.7 days) (935,167) |
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| 01:48.48 | jjongsma | still trying to get a build working with MokoMakefile... I think I'm just about there, but it's failing in the package openmoko-devel-image, task "do_rootfs" with this error: "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-debug: fstests" |
| 01:48.50 | jjongsma | any ideas? |
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| 01:54.45 | roh | jjongsma if thats needed make setup should build it |
| 01:56.30 | roh | else do cd into build, . ../setup-env , bitbake fstests |
| 01:56.37 | jjongsma | it didn't... |
| 01:56.39 | jjongsma | i'll try that... |
| 01:57.36 | jjongsma | bitbake fstests exits with: Attempted builds: 0 |
| 01:59.05 | roh | have a look inside build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/fstests-0.0+svn20060814-r1/temp |
| 01:59.47 | roh | there should be a logfile where it fails. put that on pastebin.ca |
| 02:00.43 | jjongsma | hmm, there is no failure logged |
| 02:00.56 | jjongsma | do_configure and do_compile succeeded, but do_install and do_stage are empty |
| 02:01.20 | roh | same here |
| 02:01.33 | roh | try again with just building it. change to build/ |
| 02:02.52 | roh | bitbake -v -D -cclean fstests |
| 02:03.22 | jjongsma | ok, now it actually recompiled it. i'll try the image build again |
| 02:04.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] |
| 02:04.27 | roh | -c means command and clean is clear ;) build will build a package and rebuild ... quite easy if you first found out what to do and how. and be aware that bitbake is picky from where you call it. it uses relative paths |
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| 02:04.54 | jjongsma | ok |
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| 02:08.21 | jjongsma | on a different note, do you know why "make qemu" would start to boot, then fail with "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 02:11.05 | jjongsma | hmm, i'm still getting the same dependency error... |
| 02:22.38 | roh | jjongsma what distro are you building on? |
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| 02:29.49 | openstandards | have you guys seen the UI on the deeda Pi? |
| 02:37.47 | Sufflope | OMG "make setup && make openmoko-devel-image" finally over :) |
| 02:38.06 | Sufflope | it only took 9 hours :) |
| 02:41.56 | roh | Sufflope congratulations |
| 02:42.14 | roh | then do a make update again to fetch the commits since then *duck* |
| 02:42.26 | roh | ;) |
| 02:42.35 | roh | just joking |
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| 02:43.55 | Sufflope | oh I just launched "make qemu" but I guess when it's over I'll launch an update ^^ |
| 02:44.35 | roh | that 'll be much faster then |
| 02:45.18 | Sufflope | I hope so, otherwise why call it update :) |
| 02:46.17 | Sufflope | but the funny part is that I'm doing this on a laptop which shall soon leave to get fixed... see you soon for 9 new gentoo-like hours :D |
| 02:46.17 | openstandards | http://www.mad4mobilephones.co.uk/news/774/ interesting UI on that |
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| 03:00.36 | roh | openstandards ah.. didn't hear from that before...do you see any releasedate? all i can find is a mockup |
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| 03:01.47 | openstandards | no but the UI is pretty impressive, i still prefer what fic are offering more |
| 03:02.30 | openstandards | i like how they decided to display the video |
| 03:02.53 | roh | you mean wide? |
| 03:02.58 | openstandards | yeah |
| 03:03.13 | roh | thats just software ;) |
| 03:03.22 | openstandards | and same with the photo gallery |
| 03:03.50 | openstandards | yeah its just software but bloody well designed software |
| 03:04.05 | roh | atm it seems there is no software at all |
| 03:04.08 | roh | just the video |
| 03:04.36 | roh | we'll see. |
| 03:09.25 | openstandards | the lightbox effect is a nice added touch |
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| 03:12.35 | roh | n8 guys |
| 03:12.46 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.55 | Sufflope | :( I also get the "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" error with "make qemu" |
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| 04:31.10 | jjongsma | Sufflope: did find anything more out on that panic? |
| 04:32.03 | jjongsma | since you can actually build it (mine dies way at the end :() does it do the same thing with your locally built firmware (make flash-qemu-local && make run-qemu)? |
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| 05:52.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 06:00.16 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 14:59:52 (12.625 +-12.6 days) (936,167) |
| 06:04.26 | high-rez | well i guess i'll sleep, later all, thanks for all your help :) |
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| 07:07.03 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:08.21 | kelvin_ | morn' |
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| 07:14.20 | xkr47 | you have one? nice :D |
| 07:14.45 | xkr47 | put it to your pocket and make stepcounter app :D |
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| 07:25.46 | balrog-kun | there's a GPS, you don't need to count steps these days |
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| 07:39.20 | _ASK | i wonder if they considered hardware keyboard for the phase 1 |
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| 07:46.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Higher_level_language_options]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
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| 08:06.59 | Rakshasa | Morgen alle. |
| 08:12.05 | _ASK | "The A8 is the first of ARM's own processor designs to integrate its Neon integer and floating-point pipelines for media and signal processing. When ARM announced Neon in October of 2004, it said chips supporting Neon instructions could decode an MP3 stream in 8-10MHz. McGuire says Neon helps the A8 deliver a four-fold improvement per clock cycle over media processing capabilities in... |
| 08:12.07 | _ASK | ...ARM9-class processors -- a capability likely to result in larger, higher resolution VGA and WVGA screens on ARM-based video playback devices. Additionally, the A8's low-power media processing capabilities could help push the processor into media encoders and other new application areas, she said." |
| 08:12.30 | _ASK | 1 GHz + FPU; sounds tempting |
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| 08:37.24 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Power management concept... |
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| 08:52.49 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 13:33:35 (12.565 +-12.6 days) (937,167) |
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| 09:07.58 | Any_Key | \help \msg |
| 09:08.28 | Any_Key | ooops |
| 09:08.32 | Any_Key | hello to all |
| 09:09.19 | xkr47 | \oops |
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| 09:10.15 | Any_Key | *oops :Unknown command |
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| 09:15.16 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:17.23 | Any_Key | morning indeed |
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| 09:26.23 | tw12lve | Has the team mentioned who's going to distribute the neo1973? |
| 09:26.24 | aloril | tw12lve: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 09:39.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] |
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| 09:57.32 | Rakshasa | What say you, should I add a mention of compiling openmoko in a 32-bit chroot into the wiki? I've had no luck compiling it in 64-bit, but in 32-bit chroot it succeeded the first run... |
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| 10:08.14 | Raja | http://www.pastebin.ca/449622 |
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| 10:11.55 | hrw | morning |
| 10:12.35 | hrw | Rakshasa: I build openmoko on my amd64 under Debian - no problems |
| 10:13.35 | Rakshasa | hrw: Interesting. I've got nothing but problems. |
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| 10:14.47 | hrw | Rakshasa: but I use OE for over 3 years |
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| 10:15.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1810 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (uboot-hxd8.patch uboot-s3c2440.patch): |
| 10:15.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * fix interrupt support on S3C2440 |
| 10:15.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * enable USB device support for HXD8 since IRQ support now working |
| 10:17.11 | Rakshasa | hrw: And I've _tried_ to use it for over 3 weeks =P |
| 10:21.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1811 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch: * change HXD8 to new USB product id, not to be confused with Neo1973 |
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| 10:22.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 12:48:56 (12.534 +-12.5 days) (938,167) |
| 10:22.17 | hrw | hi woglinde |
| 10:22.39 | woglinde | hi hrw :) |
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| 10:28.34 | Raja | http://www.pastebin.ca/449638 |
| 10:30.37 | woglinde | raja hm ist really clear |
| 10:30.39 | woglinde | can't find file to patch at input line 9 |
| 10:32.11 | Raja | woglinde:i am tying to build open moko from open moko file |
| 10:32.37 | Raja | at the time of "make setup" i got that error |
| 10:32.52 | zecke | Raja: so either your download is incomplete or MasterMakefile is not up-to-date? |
| 10:33.27 | hrw | argh.. |
| 10:33.38 | hrw | sending AT commands from application suxx |
| 10:34.38 | woglinde | hrw hm but whats the alternative? |
| 10:34.43 | Raja | zecke:i downloaded the make file from |
| 10:34.46 | Raja | wget http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile |
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| 10:35.49 | hrw | woglinde: the problem is that code which I want to do should be rather in libgsmd instead of application. so I have to write it in a way that it could be added to lib |
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| 10:50.11 | Elrond | hrw - Are you from Poznan, or who in here is in Poznan? :) |
| 10:54.16 | ewon | Elrond: you're not the ILUG elrond, are you? |
| 10:54.20 | hrw | Elrond: Poznań |
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| 11:09.53 | Elrond | ewon - No. |
| 11:12.29 | Elrond | hrw - Yeah, Pozna\'n. I'll be there the next week ;) |
| 11:13.11 | hrw | Elrond: conference? or other? |
| 11:14.35 | Elrond | hrw - conference (ramis 2007) |
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| 11:18.31 | hrw | it is near Poznan |
| 11:22.19 | Elrond | Yep. South, if I saw it right on the maps. |
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| 11:33.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[User:Markk0]] [[Translation_HOWTO]] [[Shipping_Notes]] [[USB_Product_IDs]] |
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| 11:46.44 | Stephmw | *sigh* |
| 11:54.12 | Vitaly | counter |
| 11:54.13 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 12:02:53 (12.502 +-12.5 days) (939,167) |
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| 12:06.45 | Sufflope | jjongsma: yes I get the KP with qemu-local |
| 12:07.04 | Sufflope | I'll try again now, maybe some updates resolved it :D |
| 12:10.16 | Elrond | I wonder, wether the P1.5 will really be June, when P1 is still delayed. |
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| 12:16.58 | quickdev | Hello :) |
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| 12:24.34 | quickdev | I downloaded https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 and finally ran openmoko/flash.sh - there were some warnings and when I'm starting the emulator, the kernel says: No filesystems could mount root, tried: jffs2, Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 12:26.36 | quickdev | My flash.sh process looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/TcXOqh72.html |
| 12:26.42 | quickdev | Has anyone an idea how to fix it? |
| 12:30.22 | Sufflope | quickdev: I get the same error with the MokoMakeFile |
| 12:30.54 | Sufflope | I just updated my installation (I got an u-boot update) and still this error :( |
| 12:32.33 | quickdev | the flash.sh is obviously doing some incorrect work ;) |
| 12:34.17 | quickdev | Any developer here who can fix it? ;) |
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| 12:38.22 | Rakshasa | Same error here. =P |
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| 12:41.35 | Vegar | quickdev: did you run download.sh first? |
| 12:42.42 | Vegar | (just making sure) |
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| 13:11.58 | quickdev | Vegar: of course |
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| 13:27.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Markk0]] [[GPS_Navigation]] |
| 13:30.11 | ewon | counter |
| 13:30.11 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 11:14:54 (12.469 +-12.5 days) (940,167) |
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| 13:34.24 | Sufflope | I've looked at some fr.po files and found some errors; the last revision date they indicate is one year ago (one is April 21st :)) |
| 13:34.50 | Sufflope | what is the best way to correct/update it (I don't mean, on my computer, but to send it) ? |
| 13:35.01 | Sufflope | attached with a mail to openmoko-devel ? |
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| 13:35.46 | jjongsma | roh: in response to question from last night, I'm running ubuntu edgy. any known issues building with that? |
| 13:36.34 | Sufflope | back to this KP problem :D I'm running Feisty (just upgraded from Edgy) |
| 13:37.25 | jjongsma | can anyone here get "make qemu" to work with the latest updates? |
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| 13:46.44 | asdfadf | counter |
| 13:46.44 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 11:06:38 (12.463 +-12.5 days) (941,167) |
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| 13:48.48 | jjongsma | when I run make qemu, the flashing process displays the following suspicious message after running: "GTA01Bv4 # nand write.jffs2 0x32000000 rootfs 0x19E4000L" |
| 13:48.55 | jjongsma | NAND write: mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts' |
| 13:48.56 | jjongsma | incorrect device type in rootfs |
| 13:48.56 | jjongsma | 'rootfs' is not a number |
| 13:51.17 | quickdev | jjongsma: many have that error ;) |
| 13:51.23 | quickdev | me, too |
| 13:51.30 | jjongsma | i'm assuming that's the cause of the KP? |
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| 13:52.22 | quickdev | maybe - there are additionally further errors |
| 13:52.50 | xkr47 | errors for everybody |
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| 13:54.36 | Sufflope | re |
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| 13:55.27 | quickdev | xkr47: I hope they are fixed soon by the development team |
| 13:56.09 | jjongsma | guess i'll just try again in a week or so and see if anything's changed |
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| 13:57.37 | quickdev | someone should send an email to report this bug |
| 13:59.10 | simon___ | counter? |
| 13:59.10 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 5 days 11:00:25 (12.459 +-12.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-01); 4 months, 3 weeks, 4 days (148.917 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (942,167) |
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| 14:19.52 | SpeedEvil | counter |
| 14:19.53 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 10:50:03 (12.451 +-12.5 days) (943,167) |
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| 14:21.24 | pjz | SpeedEvil: give up on the counter; no one knows how long it's going to be :) |
| 14:22.01 | SpeedEvil | Alas, I know this. |
| 14:22.28 | SpeedEvil | I was simply testing a trigger in my client that dumps all URLs found to a clickable links file. |
| 14:22.48 | SpeedEvil | And of course I've been away for several hours, it could have been released, and be orderable. |
| 14:24.03 | Stephmw | it's true that no matter how improbable, it's possible |
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| 14:25.37 | Sufflope | no ideas on i18n good manners ? |
| 14:26.05 | Sufflope | I guess I'll have to wake up the openmoko-devel list :D |
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| 14:27.12 | abraxa_ | Go for it, too few traffic anyway ;3 |
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| 15:03.54 | Sufflope | abraxa_ : here you are :p |
| 15:04.13 | abraxa_ | *looks around*... I'm innocent! |
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| 15:43.16 | poffy__ | Since OpenMoko is based of Linux, I assume it uses Berkley sockets. Correct? |
| 15:43.34 | mjr | sure |
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| 15:45.48 | balrog-kun | it's hard to find an OS that doesn't |
| 15:45.56 | poffy__ | Just double checking |
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| 15:57.51 | LaF0rge | http://hackndev.com/node/701 |
| 15:58.18 | Hopscotch | rofl |
| 16:03.59 | LaF0rge | koen: talk to your colleague mickey ;) |
| 16:05.57 | hrw | and then to those which create gui in pixels? |
| 16:06.18 | hrw | or does it scale for proper settings? |
| 16:07.15 | koen | LaF0rge: I fear proper DPI settings is something that won't make it into the neo1973 release due to time constraints |
| 16:07.29 | koen | (even if it's just two small patches) |
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| 16:08.48 | hrw | koen: did you started X in 285 dpi on neo? |
| 16:08.59 | koen | I did in the past |
| 16:09.08 | koen | and patched the gtk theme |
| 16:09.12 | koen | (well, used sed) |
| 16:09.29 | hrw | was ~ok? |
| 16:09.37 | koen | yes |
| 16:10.20 | koen | the only 'problem' is that 285/75 isn't an int |
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| 16:16.12 | LaF0rge | koen: I don't understand why a change that seems apparently quite simple would not make it |
| 16:16.21 | LaF0rge | koen: I'm actually also still seriously considering EABI |
| 16:16.48 | koen | LaF0rge: the trouble is that after the dpi change 90% of your apps look ok |
| 16:17.00 | LaF0rge | but then wrt. dpi, I'm not an expert on what that takes |
| 16:17.03 | koen | LaF0rge: then you need to hunt down all the hardcoded shit in the remaining 10% |
| 16:17.21 | LaF0rge | koen: which is good anyway. |
| 16:17.41 | LaF0rge | we might need good support for different resolutions sooner than we want :) |
| 16:17.42 | koen | yes, but "it works now" and you have other problems to work on |
| 16:18.01 | koen | I'll cook up a patch and report when I get reunited with my neo |
| 16:18.07 | LaF0rge | koen: I agree. but wrt. EABI, I think we could actually see quite a bit of gfx speedup (FP emulation acceleration) |
| 16:18.23 | koen | LaF0rge: you are already using softfloat |
| 16:18.33 | LaF0rge | koen: ah, I see. ok. thanks for the reminder ;) |
| 16:18.44 | koen | LaF0rge: the only speedup would be that floatingpoints in eabi are LE, while in softfpa they are BE |
| 16:18.54 | koen | so you save one byteswap |
| 16:19.10 | LaF0rge | ok. given the amount of scaling and dithering we do, it might be visible |
| 16:19.37 | hrw | and make it compatible with angstrom? |
| 16:19.55 | LaF0rge | koen: which OE conf file do i need to touch to try a complete eabi-based rebuild of OM on our buildhost? |
| 16:19.59 | koen | The o-hand and nokia people I talked to seem to think that using sapwood for pixmap caching would have a huge impact |
| 16:20.13 | LaF0rge | koen: it only supports half of what we need |
| 16:20.25 | LaF0rge | koen: we have to write our own pixmap engine, as it seems |
| 16:21.04 | koen | TARGET_OS = "linux${@['','-gnueabi'][bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d,1) in ['arm', 'armeb']]}" |
| 16:21.17 | koen | that should change arm to eabi |
| 16:21.37 | koen | (slide 12 in http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/talks/ELC2007.pdf ) |
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| 16:21.51 | PBeck | hi |
| 16:22.12 | florian | LaF0rge: Did you take a look at the theme engine used in Maemo? |
| 16:22.20 | florian | hi PBeck |
| 16:22.33 | LaF0rge | florian: o-hand and mickey have looked at many things, and apparently nothing works for our requirements |
| 16:22.46 | PBeck | hey florian |
| 16:22.49 | PBeck | counter |
| 16:22.49 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 09:48:35 (12.409 +-12.4 days) (944,167) |
| 16:23.17 | koen | LaF0rge: sean was amazed by the demo of the sato theme engine |
| 16:23.40 | florian | LaF0rge: ah too bad |
| 16:23.57 | LaF0rge | well, sean is amazed by many things ;) |
| 16:24.38 | hrw | cu |
| 16:24.39 | koen | I wonder if he saw the fancypants demos |
| 16:26.32 | florian | koen: do you have a link to that engine? |
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| 16:27.19 | koen | florian: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/sato/trunk/ |
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| 16:27.35 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 09:46:12 (12.407 +-12.4 days) (945,167) |
| 16:28.32 | florian | koen: well... ok, even if i not intended to read the sources to find out what it does |
| 16:28.39 | florian | :) |
| 16:28.47 | bhima|n800 | I wish that some American GSM provider would offer multiple SIM cards. |
| 16:28.52 | cbrake | LaF0rge: has the wifi chip selection been made for the neo yet? |
| 16:29.20 | LaF0rge | cbrake: yes, for the time being |
| 16:29.52 | koen | florian: "Sato is our reference/example GTK+/Matchbox based PDA/smartphone environment aimed primarily at handheld devices with very high DPI VGA displays" |
| 16:30.20 | koen | bhima|n800: I wish US carriers had decent coverage |
| 16:31.43 | koen | gsm in the bay area is a joke |
| 16:31.43 | hrw|gone | florian: sato is in poky ;D |
| 16:31.43 | cbrake | LaF0rge: is this public information? |
| 16:31.43 | bhima|n800 | koen: Ick. Even at 850? Isn't the bay area a good place for wifi, though? :) |
| 16:31.43 | LaF0rge | cbrake: well, that the selection has been made: yes. but which one: no |
| 16:31.50 | koen | bhima|n800: for some reason reception fluctuates a lot |
| 16:32.09 | koen | bhima|n800: so I I sit still I can have good reception at one moment, and bad the next |
| 16:32.22 | koen | (not to mention the awfull voice quality) |
| 16:32.23 | balrog-kun | Sato looks greats to me |
| 16:32.29 | balrog-kun | it's also very responsive |
| 16:32.46 | bhima|n800 | koen: Interesting. I find that here in FL as well, but the coverage is fine in my area in terms of my ability to actually get calls or data. |
| 16:32.47 | koen | balrog-kun: no, it's *very*, **very** responsive |
| 16:33.32 | bhima|n800 | koen: Using my Nokia E70 in one room I'm astonished at how often it gggoes bbbetween full and one bar. |
| 16:33.39 | koen | bhima|n800: maybe it's just cingular being retarded |
| 16:33.47 | bhima|n800 | grr. need to turn offff key repeat here. |
| 16:33.50 | pjz | responsive is a win |
| 16:34.07 | bhima|n800 | I think that my BBT keyboard gets laggy in sending out key up events sometimes. |
| 16:34.37 | pjz | bluetooth keyboard debouncing :) |
| 16:35.48 | bhima|n800 | The other problem is that it doess evil things with modifier sequencing. |
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| 16:36.18 | bhima|n800 | If you release the FN key modifier before the key goes up, it sends out an un-modified keystroke. |
| 16:36.49 | pjz | oo, ick |
| 16:37.12 | bhima|n800 | Doesn't do that with shift; I suspect that shift is handled by the device ratherr than the keyboard. |
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| 16:37.39 | bhima|n800 | I tried it on my mac as well, and got the same FN key results. |
| 16:37.39 | bhima|n800 | I wonder if they updated the firmware to fix it. |
| 16:37.42 | pjz | suprising to me that the kbd handles any mod keys |
| 16:37.50 | pjz | what kind of kbd is it? |
| 16:37.58 | bhima|n800|drivi | pjz: thinkoutside folding keyboard. |
| 16:38.06 | bhima|n800|drivi | It has a blue and green FN key. |
| 16:38.09 | pjz | ooo, I was thinking of getting one of those |
| 16:38.23 | bhima|n800|drivi | green FN + T -> |
| 16:38.25 | pjz | for use with the Neo if & when |
| 16:38.36 | bhima|n800|drivi | bblue FN +T -> 5 |
| 16:38.51 | bhima|n800|drivi | I find it mildly irritating. |
| 16:39.17 | pjz | though at this point I'm wondering how worth getting the Phase 1 stuff is going to be if 1+ is so close behind |
| 16:39.21 | bhima|n800|drivi | The key repeat thing is __very_ irritating. |
| 16:39.21 | bhima|n800|drivi | but that could easily be my n800's fault. |
| 16:39.21 | bhima|n800|drivi | need to figure out how to turn off keey repeat on the n800. |
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| 16:39.38 | zmef420 | hello all i was wondering how the hunt for a wifi chip is going? |
| 16:39.38 | aloril | When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. Also some model later this year probably will include WiFi. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 16:39.44 | zmef420 | haven'r heard much lately |
| 16:39.55 | bhima|n800|drivi | There was some statement about a discount for phase 1 buyers. |
| 16:45.27 | zmef420 | +\0 |
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| 16:56.46 | Sufflope | still the KP about / that can't be mounted, with qemu :( |
| 16:57.19 | Sufflope | I'll review FileZilla 3 French translation to wait :D |
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| 17:15.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:Music_Player]] |
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| 17:46.56 | shegde | hi! |
| 17:47.13 | shegde | has anyone been able to install open embeded on ubuntu 6.10? |
| 17:47.13 | aloril | shegde: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:51.05 | prom | shedge: im using oe and openmoko on edgy. |
| 17:51.11 | prom | shedge: works fine. |
| 17:53.04 | prom | shedge: the only special thing you have to do is installing a current monotone. |
| 17:53.13 | shegde | apt-get says it cant find oe |
| 17:53.54 | prom | shedge: why should it? OE is not a package. |
| 17:54.48 | prom | .o( g <=> d, now i got it ) |
| 17:55.16 | shegde | well... i follwoed instructions on http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro |
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| 17:56.51 | prom | shegde: nobody uses that here, i think. the packages they provide seem to be only metapackages. you dont need those. |
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| 17:59.17 | prom | shegde: maybe having a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch will help you. openembedded and openmoko have the same basic build procedure. |
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| 18:01.24 | shegde | thanks... will go through that |
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| 19:08.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Cracatau]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Basic_End-user]] |
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| 19:50.45 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 08:04:37 (12.337 +-12.3 days) (946,167) |
| 19:51.39 | ewon | [ot] can anyone here resolve garm.n-i.nhs.uk |
| 19:52.08 | cjb | ewon: there are websites that will do that for you. There's no need to ask us. |
| 19:52.23 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 19:52.26 | SpeedEvil | I can't. |
| 19:52.31 | ewon | cjb: I've tried every machine I have access to :) |
| 19:52.36 | cjb | (and since it's not a top-level domain, the result any website gets will be the same as for all of us.) |
| 19:52.38 | SpeedEvil | I don't think nhs.uk is a valid second level domain |
| 19:52.45 | cjb | ewon: then the answer is no. |
| 19:52.46 | SpeedEvil | nhs.gov.uk maybe |
| 19:52.49 | ewon | tis |
| 19:52.54 | ewon | ping nhs.uk, it exists |
| 19:52.59 | cjb | SpeedEvil: www.nhs.uk, etc. |
| 19:53.09 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 19:53.21 | ewon | I noticed garm.n-i.nhs.uk in my website access logs and though it looked a little odd |
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| 20:09.45 | charkins | Howdy folks. Trying to build openmoko-devel-image using the MokoMakefile and openmoko-panel-battery is failing on missing apm.h. Is this a known issue? |
| 20:09.45 | aloril | charkins: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:10.56 | charkins | I also have MACHINE="x86" in local.conf. |
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| 21:03.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Talk:Music_Player]] [[Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] |
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| 22:50.20 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 06:34:50 (12.274 +-12.3 days) (947,167) |
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| 23:06.45 | charkins | I'm trying to build openmoko-devel-image using MokoMakefile and it is failing building openmoko-panel-battery because it is failing to include apm.h. |
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