| 00:12.48 | pabs3 | \o/ firmware-ath9k-htc (free WiFi firmware) accepted into Debian unstable! |
| 00:13.17 | pabs3 | rah: does anything ever impress you? :) |
| 00:13.49 | pabs3 | PaulFertser: thanks again for helping with firmware-ath9k-htc |
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| 05:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | pabs3: ooh, I'm massively impressed by this hoax :-D |
| 05:58.44 | pabs3 | hm? |
| 05:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/a-fully-free-cell-phone-experience-no-baseband-required/ |
| 05:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, "cell phone experience without cellphone radio" is a paradoxon |
| 06:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | OF COURSE you need some wireless technology when you want a cell phone alike user experience |
| 06:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like WiFi SIP phones were a new thing, they exist since I guess 10 or more years |
| 06:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | obvious downside: they need free APs |
| 06:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's also string and cans "phone" ;-P |
| 06:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.voipsupply.com/voip-phones/wi-fi |
| 06:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | shakes head at folks that don't understand that you need a sort of license for operating ANY RF transmitter in the range anywhere from 50kHz to ~1mm, and that cellphones as we know them only exist *because* FCC_et_al approval of the transmitter controlling radio stack firmware is mandatory |
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| 06:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | (~1mm) iirc I've actually seen German FTZ issuing a generic approval to "use electromagnetic transmitters in the range from 10um to 800nm [infrared!] without individual type approval" |
| 06:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders where's the type approval for humans which emit in the millimeter range |
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| 06:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzsender#Abgrenzung |
| 06:50.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, 2002 there were already 150 trials against "terrorists using High Power Microwave" : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikrowellen#Einsatz_als_Waffe |
| 06:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh I was wrong, the controlled frequency range for RF starts at 9kHz, not 50kHz - and actually ends at 1mm wavelength aka 300GHz |
| 06:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it starts at 3kHz but 3 to 9 kHz has a global generic approval |
| 06:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | by ITU |
| 07:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you actually may operate your own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZEVS_(transmitter) legally, alas the bandwidth is too low for audio transmission in realtime, unless you use spread spectrum |
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| 07:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | also you'll have implementation problems with your PA, antenna and your battery in the mobile device ;-) |
| 07:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-14-30A1.pdf and e.g. https://www.wired.com/2015/09/hey-fcc-dont-lock-wi-fi-routers/ |
| 07:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>the FCC explicitly told [...] that itâs fine with mods and open source software âas long as they do not add the functionality to modify the underlying operating characteristics of the RF parameters.â<< |
| 07:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | read: radio stack |
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| 07:36.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so much for the future of firmware-ath9k-htc free radio stack and similar stuff |
| 07:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess basically any chip designs that allow messing with the RF parameters are legacy that will vanish sooner or later |
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| 15:16.41 | rah | pabs3: this: https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/15/nasa-plans-to-make-a-telescope-out-of-the-sun/ |
| 15:16.44 | rah | pabs3: this impresses me :-) |
| 15:17.50 | pabs3 | fair enough :) |
| 15:18.08 | pabs3 | *cough*not*open*source*cough* |
| 15:18.22 | rah | lol :-) |
| 15:20.53 | bencoh | :D |
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