| 00:24.38 | sabrod | Ah! it's blob2 that had the particularity to powering on the phones on battery insertion. |
| 00:25.58 | sabrod | (about yesterday ... I though a magic stuff could allow using the phone without battery, that isn't the same :) ) |
| 00:41.41 | WyrM | not really :) |
| 00:42.00 | WyrM | all phones power on at battery insertion. |
| 00:42.08 | sabrod | Yes, it seems the very first version from your test ? |
| 00:42.19 | sabrod | Huh? |
| 00:42.44 | WyrM | software turn off the phone before the user notice (before the display is on). |
| 00:43.37 | sabrod | Ah, to be sure there is not a charge to do? |
| 00:44.20 | sabrod | It's annoying, they should have implement charging on the bootloader itself! :( |
| 00:44.25 | WyrM | I don't know why, its motorola design :) |
| 00:44.38 | sabrod | Oh, yes... |
| 00:44.48 | sabrod | :) |
| 01:19.33 | stefan___a | hi |
| 01:19.41 | stefan___a | why cant we do this as well |
| 01:19.51 | stefan___a | (turning off the phone after battery insertion) |
| 01:20.12 | stefan___a | dont we know that the switch wasnt pressed ? |
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| 01:21.30 | arne | hi |
| 01:21.39 | sabrod | blob turn the phone on, the software turn it off, I guess... i.e. if there is no 2.4 kernel. |
| 01:22.12 | stefan___a | hi who was the person that we should send the usb host patch as well ? |
| 01:22.23 | sabrod | With genblob, it should be possible? |
| 01:22.51 | sabrod | Hi, stefan__a you never know... :) the ML ? |
| 01:23.16 | sabrod | gmzhuo and darion are interested. |
| 01:24.06 | sabrod | Well, I'd like to test a usb keyboard as well, but I have gen2 devices, only... |
| 01:26.26 | stefan___a | ok we'll post it on the list in a second |
| 01:27.31 | sabrod | Thanks you ! |
| 01:32.18 | arne | ok its sent |
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| 02:22.49 | WyrM | stefan___a: (why cant we do this as well): |
| 02:22.59 | WyrM | we can, and we do when needed :) |
| 02:23.09 | WyrM | on gen1 this is done by the motorola 2.4 kernel |
| 02:23.27 | WyrM | on gen2 this is done by MBM. |
| 02:24.05 | WyrM | that's why gen-blob doesn't deal with phone power off. |
| 02:25.13 | WyrM | on our 2.6 kernel, we should deal with this for gen1, the code for this is still on our old svn codebase, waiting to be ported to our git. |
| 02:25.58 | WyrM | and about "dont we know that the switch wasn't pressed ?", it depends. |
| 02:26.27 | WyrM | on gen2, you don't know, and don't need to know, because MBM handles this. |
| 02:27.39 | WyrM | on gen1 it depends on BP software to signal AP about the button state, as only BP has access to the respective PCAP register. |
| 02:28.34 | WyrM | and case BP is in flash mode (phone not flashed with gen-blob), then this detection is not possible at all. |
| 02:32.19 | WyrM | this also makes kernels incompatible with the original bootloader, because the code to detect the no-button-pressed case would power off phones with BP in flash mode. (not a big deal currently as our kernel panics with the original bootloader..) |
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| 03:08.42 | stefan___a | hi |
| 03:08.56 | stefan___a | did the usb host patch get delivered via the mailinglist ? |
| 03:09.09 | stefan___a | were not sure, since we are not on the list right now |
| 03:09.26 | stefan___a | or is it impossible to post without being a member ? |
| 03:20.22 | sabrod | No, i think it's not here. I didn't received it... |
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| 08:21.17 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 13:04.42 | gmzhuo | Hi all |
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| 14:12.24 | gmzhuo | ao2,ping |
| 15:03.38 | ao2 | gmzhuo, hi |
| 15:11.00 | gmzhuo | ao2,I had some trouble with openembedded before,but I can use it now |
| 15:12.02 | ao2 | gmzhuo, great, but the fso-console-image still looks incomplete to me, even if now it builds fine |
| 15:14.36 | gmzhuo | I'm a new guy of openembedded |
| 15:15.51 | ao2 | mickeyl, could you please add at least dropbear to fso-console-image? and check that all the needed symlink are in place, I noted that /tmp is missing for instance. |
| 15:17.29 | ao2 | gmzhuo, builind packages with openebedded is not hard at all, but yes it always takes time to get used to a new tool |
| 15:18.49 | gmzhuo | Maybe I should learn more about bibake and how to write bb files |
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| 15:35.59 | WyrM | hi all |
| 15:36.18 | ao2 | hi WyrM |
| 15:37.08 | gmzhuo | Hi WyrM |
| 15:37.18 | gmzhuo | how about usb host? |
| 15:37.42 | WyrM | I still haven't finished the driver. |
| 15:38.14 | WyrM | I need more research on usb specs, and the current linux interfaces for OTG and accessory detection. |
| 15:39.13 | gmzhuo | can you put the patch on people.openezx.org? |
| 15:40.09 | WyrM | sure. |
| 15:40.18 | WyrM | but its just an ugly hack. |
| 15:40.30 | WyrM | and definitely it has no use for gen2 :) |
| 15:41.06 | gmzhuo | :( |
| 15:41.35 | gmzhuo | just operate on emu on gen1? |
| 15:43.39 | WyrM | yes, its for the pcap transceiver, not eoc. |
| 15:43.52 | WyrM | but it should be just as easy with EOC. |
| 15:44.57 | WyrM | as long as you find out the bits for PU/PD, it should be possible with eoc. |
| 15:47.21 | WyrM | http://people.openezx.org/wyrm/uh.o |
| 15:49.11 | WyrM | its named like this because I don't want to people to apply this patch as it is now. Its still unsupported, uploaded only as reference. |
| 15:49.50 | WyrM | a new version will be commited to git when its done. :) |
| 15:50.56 | gmzhuo | :) |
| 15:52.04 | gmzhuo | Do you know about usb xvcr? |
| 15:52.26 | gmzhuo | xcvr |
| 15:53.00 | WyrM | xcvr is probably an acronym for transceiver. :) |
| 15:53.56 | gmzhuo | what's mean of acronym? |
| 15:54.47 | WyrM | http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=acronym |
| 15:55.18 | WyrM | Abreviation by CROping Names that Yield Meaning (slang) |
| 15:59.49 | gmzhuo | Maybe on eoc should open xvcr and shudown PU&PD |
| 16:00.35 | WyrM | I suspect that MSTR on pcap enables power output on the miniUSB. |
| 16:00.41 | WyrM | I still need to test this. |
| 16:00.49 | WyrM | PD needs to be enabled for usb host. |
| 16:01.02 | WyrM | pu disabled. |
| 16:02.12 | WyrM | but this is the easy part :) |
| 16:02.35 | gmzhuo | 70K pd? |
| 16:02.42 | WyrM | the funny part is to detect whatever is connected to the port, and do the switching automatically. |
| 16:04.20 | gmzhuo | check id first to detect charger and headset |
| 16:04.53 | WyrM | oh yes, eoc has more than one PU/PD, you will need to look at the usb specs, and do some trial and error on real hardware. |
| 16:05.38 | WyrM | gmzhuo: check ID, and VBUS, to detect charger, headset, or host/device |
| 16:06.17 | WyrM | and check if pcap or eoc generates an interrupt if a device is connected (I suspect that NO). |
| 16:07.15 | WyrM | also, I think that MSTR is meant to output power, because on the motorola 2.4 kernel its used to provide power to the headset. |
| 16:08.27 | gmzhuo | Why headset need MSTR? |
| 16:08.29 | WyrM | so I suspect that MSTR on this patch is not needed if you use some external power source for the device. |
| 16:09.47 | WyrM | the EMU headset drains the phone battery, it has no builtin power source. |
| 16:09.50 | gmzhuo | Maybe I'll test usbhost later than you:) |
| 16:10.30 | gmzhuo | because it's need DIY usbcable |
| 16:11.10 | WyrM | not really :) |
| 16:11.36 | WyrM | you need a usb hub, and a miniUSB to usb converter. |
| 16:11.50 | WyrM | a diy cable is needed for UART tough. |
| 16:12.35 | gmzhuo | No line order problem? |
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| 16:13.51 | WyrM | I have a ready to use prototype for uart here for a long time already, but its still untested on ezx. |
| 16:14.30 | WyrM | gmzhuo: order? afaik no. |
| 16:15.15 | gmzhuo | When ISP1583 is stable,switch usbhost and usbdevice is more easy on E6 and e2 than others |
| 16:15.20 | gmzhuo | :P |
| 16:16.07 | gmzhuo | what's mean SE1? |
| 16:18.13 | WyrM | that's why there is pu/pd, usb is differential, there is no RX/TX, its D- and D+, and usb PU/PD controls the directions. |
| 16:18.24 | WyrM | does isp1583 supports usb host? |
| 16:18.47 | WyrM | afaik isp1583 is a usb controller, not a transceiver like pcap or eoc |
| 16:19.30 | WyrM | when isp1583 is being used, the pxa builtin usb host/device controller is turned off. |
| 16:19.40 | WyrM | and I don't know what SE1 means. |
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| 16:19.59 | gmzhuo | No,isp1583 can't be host |
| 16:20.57 | gmzhuo | We can always config pxa and eoc as usb device mode, |
| 16:21.02 | WyrM | ah, you mean easier because you can just leave the pxa UHC enabled, and switch between device/host with a gpio chip select to enable/disable isp1583. |
| 16:21.15 | WyrM | yes, you are right. |
| 16:21.19 | gmzhuo | you got it:) |
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| 16:21.31 | WyrM | but its not hard to switch the pxa port to UHC or UDC. |
| 16:21.54 | WyrM | you just need to setup UP3OCR_SEOS accordingly :) |
| 16:22.09 | WyrM | just as easy as a gpio |
| 16:23.56 | WyrM | the funny part is not to switch the port mode, its how to detect what is connected to the port, and it will probably be a little harder for gen2. |
| 16:24.34 | WyrM | because gen2 still uses PCAP ADC for the ID pin, but not for the other usb pins. |
| 16:33.00 | gmzhuo | in eoc here has a se1 detect on DP and DM,don't know if we can detect usb device through this |
| 16:45.29 | gmzhuo | bed time now,bye |
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| 22:49.38 | stefan___a | hi |