| 01:01.31 | tmzt_ | WyrM: hi |
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| 08:04.48 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:29.12 | darion76 | morning |
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| 11:25.07 | darion76 | hi, ao2 ! |
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| 12:22.56 | sabrod | hi darion76, ao2, gmzhuo |
| 12:46.55 | gmzhuo | hi |
| 12:52.26 | darion76 | hi, gmzhuo |
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| 13:43.06 | ao2 | hi |
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| 16:39.44 | l403 | I got blob flashed finally |
| 16:40.17 | sabrod | l403 ; good! |
| 16:40.37 | l403 | and pls dont ask me what problem theree was with gox box :) its embarrasing |
| 16:41.29 | sabrod | :) ok, i will not... |
| 16:41.45 | sabrod | (firewall?) ;) |
| 16:41.45 | l403 | ok, I will tell you :) |
| 16:42.06 | sabrod | ah! |
| 16:42.54 | l403 | the partition was a bit corrupt so some files couuld not be read thus the dropbear did not function |
| 16:42.58 | l403 | properly |
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| 16:44.56 | sabrod | ok, better to have md5sum :( |
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| 16:50.56 | gmzhuo | Still can't got bus reset irq from isp1583 stable :( |
| 16:53.16 | darion76 | hi, gmzhuo ! |
| 16:53.25 | gmzhuo | Hi,darion76 |
| 16:53.42 | gmzhuo | darion76,which phone dose you have? |
| 16:53.57 | darion76 | what is for isp1583 ? I have a1200e |
| 16:54.13 | l403 | sabrod: I've seen some overclocking tool on motorolafans. I dont mean to use it but do you knnow abouot what it does? Makes a swap or something? |
| 16:54.16 | gmzhuo | usb 2.0 chip on E6,E2 |
| 16:54.24 | l403 | hi darion76 |
| 16:54.38 | darion76 | hi, I403 |
| 16:54.39 | l403 | i'm flashed |
| 16:55.21 | sabrod | l403 : no... and i think they will burn your phone... |
| 16:55.25 | darion76 | you are lucky :-) |
| 16:55.44 | sabrod | it's better to use a good open software ;) |
| 16:56.42 | darion76 | I403, which phone dose you have ? |
| 16:56.49 | l403 | sabrod: I'm not sure but I think it was a jar file. I dont see how it could do anything from thee javaVM |
| 16:57.41 | darion76 | I build recent git kernel with all modules, but my gpe image does not finish yet ... |
| 17:13.10 | l403 | darion76: a780 |
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| 18:31.47 | WM | sabrod: hi |
| 18:32.12 | WM | sabrod: i looked at the a910´s mbm binary yesterday |
| 18:32.28 | WM | it´s basically the same code as gen1 blob. |
| 18:33.11 | WM | i will rebuild the first stage of blob and prepare a binary for you this weekend. |
| 18:33.27 | WM | but there is something i found to be a little weird/wrong. |
| 18:33.40 | WM | mbm is also offset by 2k on the image you sent me. |
| 18:33.53 | WM | have you extracted it from the phone?? |
| 18:34.13 | WM | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.19 | l403 | hi WM |
| 18:57.42 | WM | hi l403. :) |
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| 19:10.00 | WM | which SOCs can run at 528Mhz? |
| 19:10.22 | sabrod | hi wm! |
| 19:10.53 | sabrod | from my phone... |
| 19:12.11 | WM | hi sabrod. |
| 19:12.21 | WM | and you havent changed it, correct? |
| 19:12.34 | WM | weird, mbm being offset by 2k too. |
| 19:12.35 | sabrod | Oh, i cannot swear... |
| 19:12.56 | WM | anyway, i will provide you an image also offset by 2k. |
| 19:13.07 | sabrod | I remember I tried some self made cg33... |
| 19:13.48 | sabrod | :) so, maybe i caused that... |
| 19:14.01 | sabrod | i or some desbf bugs :( |
| 19:14.41 | sabrod | sometimes button "replace" don |
| 19:14.57 | sabrod | 't work well: use different offset... |
| 19:15.28 | sabrod | But my phone boot and place calls... |
| 19:16.08 | WM | if it boots with a 2k offset, then the offset is really needed. |
| 19:16.19 | sabrod | The problem is charging don't work. and if i plug it, then unplug it power off. |
| 19:16.45 | WM | its not a bootloader issue. |
| 19:16.54 | WM | its something wrong with the kernel CG. |
| 19:17.11 | WM | it also happens with a1200/a1200e. |
| 19:17.23 | WM | a1200e flashed with a1200 firmware dont charge. |
| 19:19.37 | sabrod | right i abused , wanting to flash a few R58 CG's, but afaik , it was before the problem. |
| 19:23.52 | sabrod | How can you work on those binaries files?? O_O |
| 19:24.21 | sabrod | Special devel software ? Own tools? |
| 19:26.06 | sabrod | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.11 | WM | yes, disassemble. |
| 19:27.19 | WM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.03 | WM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.04 | WM | argh. |
| 19:28.07 | WM | sorry about that ;) |
| 19:29.58 | sabrod | ah, ok... good to see there is tools for guys like you ... :p |
| 19:31.16 | sabrod | YOU are OUR best code provider! |
| 19:34.04 | WM | im ashamed to have to use commercial software for this. |
| 19:34.17 | WM | but i couldnt get GDB to work with the bootloader code. |
| 19:34.49 | sabrod | Well, i hope my phone will like this (he is used to bad software) ;) !! |
| 19:34.57 | WM | i needed something able to disassemble a binary without elf headers :/ |
| 19:35.18 | ao2 | WM, Harald used IDA Pro too for some gnufiish work, it must be a really good piece of software |
| 19:36.37 | WM | ao2: it is great! I could have done without it, if gdb allowed me to disassemble an arbitrary file position. |
| 19:36.41 | WM | i know it is code. |
| 19:36.45 | sabrod | well 'good' cannot always means open source... ;) |
| 19:37.11 | sabrod | it's just that, little by little.... :) |
| 19:37.11 | WM | for gnufiish, ida is probably even better, as it can debug wince .exe and .dll. |
| 19:39.11 | ao2 | yes I remember I read that he used it for some drivers |
| 19:40.18 | ao2 | btw, what was this mbm discussion about, I've been without my main pc for a while, only today I fixed it |
| 19:40.39 | ao2 | so I lost some discussion on IRC |
| 19:40.58 | WM | ao2: its the suspend/resume stuff. |
| 19:41.14 | WM | needed changes to the bootloader to support the linux way of suspend resume. |
| 19:41.18 | ao2 | I see, so it may work on gen2 phones too |
| 19:41.24 | ao2 | I read the ml, yes |
| 19:41.28 | WM | on gen1, with blob its easier. |
| 19:41.49 | WM | on gen2, as it is done by mbm and there is no source code, it needed some reverse engineering. |
| 19:41.56 | WM | but, to be honest... |
| 19:42.02 | WM | mbm is a gpl violation. |
| 19:42.23 | ao2 | it is based on blob, right? |
| 19:42.33 | WM | it is basically blob, same working, same code on a lot of parts. |
| 19:44.43 | sabrod | btw, my phone used to (i has been repaired with reflashing it) to power off when it was going to suspend... |
| 19:45.39 | sabrod | so i didn't identified anything, but at least if it don't work.. i will not lose too much ;( |
| 19:52.01 | sabrod | Crazy phone, crazy owner, hacked bootloader, perfect. |
| 19:59.18 | WM | sabrod: lol, that where the fun is. |
| 20:05.03 | darion76 | yes, just for fun :-) |
| 20:05.54 | darion76 | WM what actualy you try to find from mbm code ? |
| 20:07.44 | darion76 | and how bootloader is related to resume with linux ? Does it has some initial code for something ? |
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| 20:08.48 | darion76 | why kernel can'd do this job ? |
| 20:22.26 | sabrod | correct me if i'm wrong but the actual bootloader looks for resume flag at a specific address in flash, wich isn't supported by mainline linux, it should do like a normal bootloader, looking a specific register, called PSPR (Scatchpad)? |
| 20:24.54 | darion76 | oh, that's interesting. So at ezx platform bootloader stay works after kernel loaded and started ? |
| 20:25.41 | sabrod | i didn't said so... |
| 20:26.40 | darion76 | I think we need resume after kernel is started, or I am wrong ? |
| 20:31.13 | darion76 | Oh, I think I understand. AP is on sleep state when resume is active, and when interrupt is comming - starts bootloader and then need to make decision: to load kernel and start, or just start without loading. |
| 20:31.22 | darion76 | Am I right ? |
| 20:34.39 | sabrod | it's like with linux on a laptop, except that moto change a little the method. |
| 20:36.27 | darion76 | thanks, but I still not clear understand this mbm function. sorry I have to sleep. by ! |
| 20:37.39 | sabrod | And you use mkezx ... :) |
| 20:37.45 | sabrod | Bye |
| 20:39.07 | darion76 | Not for forever ;-) (I mean mkezx) bye |
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| 20:47.34 | WM | sabrod: darion76 is correct ;) |
| 20:47.54 | WM | the entry point is always the bootloader. |
| 20:48.04 | WM | after power on or after resume. |
| 20:48.22 | WM | the pxa starts executing the code from flash, without touching the ram. |
| 20:48.39 | WM | if it is a power on, the bootloader copies the kernel to ram and jumps to it. |
| 20:49.13 | WM | if it is a resume, it just jumps to whatever place the kernel left on FLAG_ADDR (original behaviour) or PSPR (the linux way of resume) |
| 20:49.25 | WM | this on the PXA case, on other processors it may be different. |
| 20:49.29 | sabrod | Ah, ok , my bad :) |
| 20:51.07 | WM | and you were right too... ;) |
| 20:51.47 | WM | but "normal" is exclusive to pxa, PSPR is a processor register, may be different on other processors. |
| 20:51.49 | sabrod | I wanted to say something ... And the "load" term isn't clear... i use it for 'boot' sometimes... |
| 20:53.15 | sabrod | Yes, i see. |
| 20:54.27 | sabrod | I should look at my laptop and other kernels than openezx sometimes :p |
| 21:01.20 | WM | is going home. |
| 21:01.22 | WM | bbl. |
| 21:01.44 | sabrod | bye. |
| 21:04.24 | l403 | what does wm d for a job if i may ask? |
| 21:04.31 | l403 | *do |
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| 22:28.44 | l403 | since the flash it seems nothing but the motorola system can stay powered up |
| 22:29.04 | WyrM | ? |
| 22:29.36 | l403 | few seconds after qtopia fully loads thhe phone powers down |
| 22:30.12 | WyrM | yes, that's the expected behaviour if you don't open() the mux devices. |
| 22:30.24 | WyrM | now your BP is active, and it has a watchdog. |
| 22:31.02 | WyrM | AP have to talk to it, otherwise it will think that the AP is dead, and cut the phone's power. |
| 22:32.05 | WyrM | look for ezxd, or opentapi, they are enough to keep the watchdog sleeping. |
| 22:32.18 | l403 | nonw I tried openmoko-image-a780.tar.gz from ao2's dir |
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| 22:32.39 | l403 | plus the .25 modules |
| 22:32.40 | WyrM | I don't know if it has ezxd. |
| 22:33.15 | WyrM | he just arrived, ask him if his image has something to keep the watchdog sleeping :) |
| 22:33.18 | WyrM | ao2: hi :) |
| 22:33.33 | ao2 | hi |
| 22:33.59 | ao2 | images on people.openezx.org/ao2/ have ezxd |
| 22:34.40 | WyrM | l403: then ao2's images should keep the watchdog sleeping.. |
| 22:34.42 | l403 | hi ao2, I'm trrying out your openmoko-image-a780.tar.gz |
| 22:34.54 | WyrM | don't know about yout qtopia image tough. |
| 22:35.39 | l403 | its same with thhione too thoug |
| 22:36.01 | l403 | it powerrs down about 2 thirds of the Angstrrom loading bar |
| 22:36.15 | l403 | *at about |
| 22:37.08 | WyrM | then I don't know what may be wrong. |
| 22:38.49 | l403 | is the power management/charging dependant on the kernel? |
| 22:39.03 | WyrM | yes. |
| 22:39.15 | WyrM | but it is different depending on phone. |
| 22:39.20 | WyrM | yours is a780 right? |
| 22:39.32 | WyrM | for a780 it is handled by BP. |
| 22:41.14 | l403 | bp? not pcap? |
| 22:41.26 | WyrM | both :) |
| 22:41.35 | WyrM | pcap handles power. |
| 22:41.44 | WyrM | but it has 2 different spi control ports. |
| 22:42.14 | WyrM | on gen1 PXA is connected to a restricted port, and don't have access to all pcap features. |
| 22:42.24 | WyrM | on gen2 PXA is connected to an unrestricted port. |
| 22:42.42 | WyrM | but on gen2 charging is not handled by pcap at all ;) |
| 22:42.49 | WyrM | its confusing. |
| 22:42.50 | WyrM | :) |
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| 22:44.04 | l403 | wouldn't it be great to be able to ask kthe devs why they did something the way they did? |
| 22:44.19 | l403 | nont talking about "How?" :) |
| 22:45.01 | WyrM | l403: all those mass-market phones are developed with TTM in mind. |
| 22:45.07 | WyrM | Time To Market. |
| 22:45.27 | l403 | good point |
| 22:45.52 | WyrM | the design is not really planed. |
| 22:46.21 | WyrM | they take a "know to work" base, and develop something really fast. |
| 22:46.56 | WyrM | for the gen0 ezx phones (a728 and older) some p2k phone was used as base. |
| 22:47.29 | WyrM | on gen1, bp has too many functions, not only the gsm part. |
| 22:48.02 | WyrM | on gen2, all system functions are on AP, BP handles gsm only. |
| 22:50.44 | l403 | may I ask what you do for a job? |
| 22:50.56 | WyrM | yes, sure. |
| 22:51.16 | l403 | what so you do for a job? |
| 22:51.20 | l403 | *do |
| 22:53.17 | WyrM | im an administrative manager for a government lawyers office. |
| 22:53.29 | WyrM | its MPF, www.mpf.gov.br. |
| 22:53.37 | l403 | and doing this stuff is just your hooby or what? |
| 22:53.44 | WyrM | yes. |
| 22:54.07 | WyrM | I used to work with TI, but life (and money) guided me to another direction. |
| 22:54.14 | WyrM | and I miss doing TI work :) |
| 22:54.23 | WyrM | s/TI/IT/ |
| 22:55.22 | l403 | I'd ask you whhy dont you devel withh your hobby knoowllledge but that admin. manager seems to be a pretty fancy job name :D |
| 22:57.53 | WyrM | last proposals I had to work as a developer paid less than one third I make now. |
| 22:58.47 | WyrM | I have a family, so money counts ;) |
| 23:01.45 | l403 | sure |
| 23:01.51 | ao2 | see you tomorrow folks |
| 23:01.57 | l403 | see ya |
| 23:02.01 | WyrM | ao2: bye. |
| 23:02.03 | sabrod | I read somewhere that audio-cable needs a 47Ohm resistor on one wire and 100Ohm on another, is that true on openezx/ |
| 23:02.11 | sabrod | bye ao2 . |
| 23:02.42 | WyrM | sabrod: for what? |
| 23:03.01 | sabrod | a headset... |
| 23:03.04 | WyrM | sabrod: with EMU, a resistor is used for accessory type detection. |
| 23:03.47 | WyrM | for the stereo 1.5mm plug I don't think its needed. |
| 23:04.17 | sabrod | yes, i wonder where to place the resistor... microphone wire ? |
| 23:04.32 | sabrod | Yes that for a1200's 2.5mm |
| 23:04.42 | sabrod | plug |
| 23:04.53 | WyrM | don't know. |
| 23:05.12 | WyrM | just buy a headset, its so cheap. lol. |
| 23:05.22 | sabrod | lol |
| 23:05.26 | WyrM | and my a1200 came with one. |
| 23:05.37 | WyrM | I have 4 headsets here. |
| 23:06.00 | WyrM | but the cost to send it to you is probably higher than to buy one. |
| 23:06.02 | sabrod | Nah, i have one, i ant to 'build' an adaptor ;) |
| 23:07.12 | sabrod | Yeah, i broke the 2.5, and maybe a better 3.5 one will sound louder :) |
| 23:08.45 | sabrod | the 2.5 is already history.... i binned it: after total dissection, i had to admit i'll never manage to re-use the stuff... |
| 23:10.15 | sabrod | well, i see those 2.5 adaptors, but i think i can do it as well... |
| 23:11.19 | sabrod | And china is refusing to buy europeans airplanes, you know... ;) |
| 23:12.14 | l403 | you mean european Antonovs? :D no wonder :) |
| 23:12.18 | WyrM | good, they can buy ours... ;) |
| 23:13.41 | sabrod | hehehe |
| 23:15.15 | WyrM | altough, our helicopters are in fact french ;) |
| 23:15.19 | WyrM | www.helibras.com.br |
| 23:16.13 | sabrod | Oh? Our "super-bees" let me see:p |
| 23:17.36 | sabrod | Ah right, maybe french company. Hin! |
| 23:18.19 | WyrM | yes, helibras builds the helicopters here, but is owned by a french company. |
| 23:20.38 | sabrod | Good! Renault also builds a lot of car models in .br afaik |
| 23:22.24 | WyrM | citroen and peugeot are also french? |
| 23:22.32 | WyrM | they too have factories here. |
| 23:22.37 | sabrod | Oh, yes! |
| 23:22.48 | l403 | WyrM: who builds your VW's? you've got pretty different modedls there |
| 23:22.51 | sabrod | :) |
| 23:23.02 | WyrM | l403: vw brasil :) |
| 23:23.12 | l403 | the Gol and sttuff |
| 23:23.31 | sabrod | yes, your golf name is somewhat strange... :) gol |
| 23:23.36 | WyrM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.42 | WyrM | sabrod: gol is another car. |
| 23:23.47 | WyrM | we also have golf here. |
| 23:23.54 | l403 | golf in not gol |
| 23:24.07 | l403 | gol is more like rarbbit I think |
| 23:24.17 | l403 | VTR? |
| 23:24.20 | sabrod | ah, sorry... :) you have passat ? |
| 23:24.33 | WyrM | yes, vw sells passat here too. |
| 23:24.38 | sabrod | I have a passat |
| 23:24.52 | l403 | me 2 |
| 23:25.00 | l403 | B2 |
| 23:25.05 | l403 | :D |
| 23:25.16 | l403 | 5-cyl 2.2 |
| 23:25.25 | WyrM | http://www.citroen.com.br/_v2/Veiculos_Atuais/C4_VTR |
| 23:25.28 | sabrod | C4 vtr : wow! yes we have it. good to see you ride a good french car :) |
| 23:26.14 | sabrod | ( I prefer the C3 with those "hardtop" :) ) |
| 23:28.13 | l403 | citroen GS line up to MX is as muuchh as I can take |
| 23:34.13 | sabrod | http://images.google.com/images?hl=fr&q=c3+pluriel&lr=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=5&ct=title |
| 23:35.25 | sabrod | it's that c3 pluriel, ok the design looks like an anthic '2cv' charleston , but i like it! |
| 23:35.37 | WyrM | it looks good. |
| 23:35.46 | WyrM | never saw one of these here. |
| 23:36.01 | sabrod | l403 too expensive for me too :( |
| 23:37.04 | sabrod | WyrM: too bad. |
| 23:37.18 | WyrM | peugeot used to sell some 206 cabriolet here. |
| 23:37.58 | WyrM | http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=fr&lr=&q=peugeot+206+conversivel&btnG=Recherche+d%27images |
| 23:38.06 | l403 | sabrod: GS is. its kind of a legend but XM are prertty old now and donot have to be that expensive |
| 23:39.13 | l403 | a friend had one. the info display did nothting but report errors one after another but the hydraulics were awesome |
| 23:39.18 | sabrod | right, now every cab has a hard top, but this one , you have remove those polyester parts by hands ;) > make the car cheaper ! |
| 23:40.28 | l403 | anoother friend has a nice 2CV. just got it a new roof |
| 23:40.58 | sabrod | Ah... gs, i see... A 'ds' variant... (ds are more common there) . OMG in a xm, i'll feel like a gangster... ( you have to consider my face, lol) |
| 23:41.56 | WyrM | my dad still owns a Fiat Coupé. |
| 23:42.02 | WyrM | I love that car. :) |
| 23:42.13 | sabrod | My first car was a 2cv ;) Those shit never dies... |
| 23:42.39 | l403 | my dad still has a VW Karmann-Ghia |
| 23:44.02 | sabrod | Fiat coupe has a good design, i think its pinhinfarina, maybe like c3 pluriel, too. |
| 23:44.32 | sabrod | Volvo 740 here (money is money :) ) |
| 23:45.40 | l403 | thosee are good cars too |
| 23:45.50 | l403 | we've gooot volvo 240 in garage |
| 23:46.06 | l403 | its a bit older but thatone looks very gangster |
| 23:46.24 | l403 | all it needs it black windoows and chrome wheels |
| 23:46.34 | sabrod | i'm surprised about the smoke that volvo produces :) , i tought Danish were much environment concerned lol... |
| 23:46.45 | johanbr | Danish? *cough* *cough* |
| 23:47.14 | sabrod | Norvege ? |
| 23:47.27 | l403 | Swedish |
| 23:48.38 | sabrod | i just look and i admit volvo 240 NEED tuning ! lol |
| 23:49.16 | l403 | I feel very gangterish when driving it |
| 23:49.32 | sabrod | :) |
| 23:49.34 | l403 | I sit a bit higher then other drivers |
| 23:49.46 | WyrM | guys, I have to go now. |
| 23:49.47 | l403 | its a big piece of metal |
| 23:49.50 | WyrM | bye, gn! |
| 23:49.57 | l403 | night |
| 23:50.13 | l403 | S80: Additionally, a heartbeat sensor warns if someone is hiding inside the car. lmfao :D |
| 23:50.19 | sabrod | gn wyrm. |
| 23:53.03 | sabrod | http://www.tuningfever.fr/fr/pics/picture-9338-166077-volvo-340.php |
| 23:53.15 | sabrod | appreciate the work... lol |
| 23:55.37 | l403 | give it a handle and its a vacuum cleaner |
| 23:56.08 | sabrod | hehehe |