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| 12:37.04 | jonwil | hi |
| 12:38.06 | dimichxp | hi |
| 12:41.01 | jonwil | In your code drop, I see irom (which is the irom dump), magx_module (which is the custom kernel module hack thing) but what is unionfs.ko.lzma and boot? |
| 12:42.31 | jonwil | Major props to you for finding the hole in the module hashing security btw |
| 12:42.38 | dimichxp | first is a module with unionfs, tried to run use it on phone, but it doesn't work. boot is some crap^W code that should help you to boot a new kernel from running one. doesn't work so far |
| 12:42.52 | jonwil | unionfs is? |
| 12:43.29 | dimichxp | virtual fs that merges two or more branches into one single filesystem tree |
| 12:43.41 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 12:46.37 | jonwil | I just hope Moto dont decide to use DMCA to shut down your work |
| 12:47.19 | jonwil | I doubt they would though, they generally dont care about hacking of their phones |
| 12:47.51 | dimichxp | hm. i don't sure if DMCA would affect me if i am not US citizen |
| 12:48.11 | jonwil | I am aussie |
| 12:48.15 | jonwil | so it doesnt affect me |
| 12:48.39 | jonwil | The real trick is to post your code online always (and keep posting it) |
| 12:48.55 | jonwil | Once code has been posted online, its a lot harder to put the genie back in the bottle :) |
| 12:49.30 | dimichxp | yeah |
| 12:50.48 | jonwil | btw, the code I wrote (and linked to before) also shows how to go from USB modem mode to USB networking mode, how to get USB networking mode to work on linux and how to go from USB networking mode to bootloader mode |
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| 12:50.56 | ade|desk | funny how svn repos get synced so quickly |
| 12:51.01 | ade|desk | ;) |
| 12:52.11 | jonwil | Everything I see (including the source motorola has released and the postings on opensource.motorola.com) suggests that the engineers and technical people would like to allow native linux development on ezx/magx |
| 12:52.16 | jonwil | but the legal people wont let them |
| 12:52.25 | dimichxp | jonwil: i wondered before how to go from usbnet to bootloader |
| 12:53.16 | jonwil | You just need to use netcat (or similar) to send a certain sequence to a certain port |
| 12:54.31 | jonwil | To get usbnet working on linux btw requires sending 3 special USB control commands |
| 12:55.39 | dimichxp | don't sure how it is on magx, since didn't use it. on e2 it works out of the box |
| 12:55.59 | jonwil | For me, I got it to work by loading the zarus driver |
| 12:56.07 | jonwil | into my kernel |
| 12:58.10 | jonwil | and you need to send the 3 special commands |
| 13:00.28 | jonwil | the 3 special commands set the phone IP, phone netmask and gateway address |
| 13:02.40 | jonwil | A lot of stuff I figured out by using usbtrace on the motorola windows drivers :) |
| 13:03.51 | jonwil | I am fairly certain that I was the first person to be able to read firmware off a motomagx phone too :) |
| 13:04.24 | jonwil | Although I did nearly brick my phone in the process. |
| 13:04.46 | dimichxp | heh. it seems to be quite easy to brick a phone in flashmode |
| 13:04.49 | jonwil | I accidentally sent an ERASE command to the phone |
| 13:05.22 | jonwil | so it was sitting there in "unable to boot |
| 13:05.25 | jonwil | mode |
| 13:05.51 | jonwil | Had my battery not run down, I would have been able to fix the phone myself and get it working again |
| 13:06.16 | jonwil | But my battery ran down so I ended up going to the local moto service people and telling them "I got this wierd error, I dont know why, can you fix it" |
| 13:06.24 | jonwil | And they reinstalled the software or something |
| 13:06.33 | jonwil | It cost me AUS$50 |
| 13:06.52 | jonwil | but hey, I DID end up with a version on the phone that was newer than the one I had before I borked it |
| 13:07.19 | jonwil | so really it was $50 for an upgrade to a newer version and I got to keep all the specific settings and such that my phone has |
| 13:07.30 | jonwil | as in, ringtones, wallpapers etc |
| 13:07.42 | jonwil | now of course my phone has telnet and FTP |
| 13:07.56 | dimichxp | $50.. your services are greedy |
| 13:09.35 | jonwil | The other thing I learned about through that whole excercise was the "erase table" in the ramdownloader that says what the ERASE command will actually erase |
| 13:10.04 | dimichxp | yeah, it seems to be same thing as in p2k motos |
| 13:11.11 | jonwil | yeah, I wrote a program that can fix the ramdownloader to match the data |
| 13:11.48 | dimichxp | how do you work with sbf files? |
| 13:14.30 | jonwil | Basically the flash-tool program (which I hacked and modified from one that works with p2k motos) has 3 options: 1.Split a flash file into a "catalog" file (a catalog file is just a set of binary files for each CG including ramdownloader plus a file listing them all and addresses to flash to etc) |
| 13:14.41 | jonwil | 2.Flash a "catalog" file to the phone |
| 13:15.28 | jonwil | and 3.Read data from the phone (you pass it a profile which says what data to read) |
| 13:16.11 | jonwil | For actually reading a sbf file, I just reverse engineered the sbf file format |
| 13:16.24 | dimichxp | i'll have a look at that. i tried a program called SBF recalc. OMG, it is quite ugly |
| 13:17.15 | jonwil | yes sbf recalc is ugly |
| 13:17.41 | dimichxp | it would be great to have a fuse for sbf files |
| 13:18.11 | jonwil | a SBF file doesnt really lend itself to a filesystem driver |
| 13:18.20 | jonwil | Its more like a zip file than a filesystem |
| 13:18.33 | dimichxp | so at least it would be convinient way to look at sbf's content |
| 13:19.31 | dimichxp | no need for dumb splitting |
| 13:24.55 | jonwil | All those people who install "power of linux" or whatever and loose all their operator/country specific settings are stupid IMO |
| 13:25.32 | jonwil | Someone needs to invent a way to do the hacks without loosing the country specific bits |
| 13:26.19 | jonwil | I think the big problem though is that you need linux in order to do new CGs (since you cant properly unpack/repack the squashfs filesystems on windows and properly preserve permissions, owner, group etc) |
| 13:26.30 | jonwil | and a lot of the hackers dont have (or dont like using) linux |
| 13:26.39 | jonwil | so they want something easy that works in windows |
| 13:27.48 | jonwil | I have so far owned 3 mobile phones (all motorolas) and it looks like the z6 is the most hackable one yet :) |
| 13:28.44 | dimichxp | which are the others? |
| 13:28.55 | jonwil | the previous one was a motorola l6 |
| 13:29.11 | jonwil | and then before that it was a Motorola e378i |
| 13:29.28 | jonwil | which was crap because it only supported some japanese crap called I-Mode |
| 13:30.18 | dimichxp | nowadays, p2k phones are quite modable too. but still are not very interesting, since no linux |
| 13:30.26 | jonwil | How many phones do you own? |
| 13:30.33 | jonwil | And are they all motorolas? :P |
| 13:30.53 | dimichxp | now i have two phones - motorola e1 and e2 |
| 13:32.05 | jonwil | One thing I will say about moto though is that they know how to build good security |
| 13:32.53 | jonwil | Apple on the other hand knows nothing about building a secure phone |
| 13:33.07 | dimichxp | you mean iphone? |
| 13:33.09 | jonwil | yes |
| 13:33.13 | jonwil | iphone is full of holes |
| 13:33.20 | dimichxp | did you use it? |
| 13:33.32 | jonwil | no |
| 13:33.52 | jonwil | I have no intention of buying a device where the manufacturer is actively trying to prevent you from using it however you like |
| 13:34.14 | dimichxp | but you still buying from motorola :) |
| 13:34.52 | jonwil | motorola dont pursue hackers like apple do |
| 13:35.13 | jonwil | and they dont push new manditory updates that close hacks off |
| 13:39.11 | jonwil | I wish I had the linux GUI skills to make my phone tools better |
| 13:40.00 | jonwil | if my stuff had a good GUI with buttons like "read from phone", "add telnet", "add FTP", "add custom themes", "add new slide sounds", "write to phone" etc, I think more people might use them |
| 13:44.56 | dimichxp | btw, did you see motorola release sources of newer z6 firmware? |
| 13:45.14 | dimichxp | i think we should request them every version that we had in binary |
| 13:46.09 | jonwil | I think moto wants to comply with GPL but they have to be carefull they dont release anything sensitive (including relasing too much info on the hardware of the phone) |
| 13:48.05 | jonwil | fyi, source for U9 has copies of the header files for the qt library |
| 13:49.16 | jonwil | time to do a file compare of both kernels and see whats different :) |
| 14:10.47 | jonwil | doing a diff of 2 kernel source trees takes a long time :) |
| 14:30.57 | ao2 | stefan_schmidt, is the linux-2.6-arm branch expected to boot at all? I tried with only ezx-common.patch applied and it doesn't boot on a780 |
| 14:32.37 | ao2 | ah, maybe it needs gen-blob |
| 14:38.16 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Works here (TM) :) |
| 14:38.27 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: You need to set the machine ID somehow |
| 14:38.49 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: I'm doing this with boot_usb |
| 14:39.04 | ao2 | fine, what value should I use? |
| 14:39.31 | stefan_schmidt | 1587 |
| 14:40.00 | ao2 | ok, works |
| 14:40.02 | ao2 | thanks |
| 14:40.06 | stefan_schmidt | np |
| 14:40.45 | stefan_schmidt | with the newest stuff you should also get debug output when pressing the ts |
| 14:41.01 | stefan_schmidt | The sign that pcap and pcap-ts are working :) |
| 14:54.10 | stefan_schmidt | I'm off now. Later folks. |
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