| 00:31.21 | ghane | hi jonwil |
| 00:32.49 | jonwil | hi |
| 00:33.04 | jonwil | so yeah I am still messing with the toolchain |
| 00:33.08 | jonwil | to compile some native code for ezx |
| 00:33.11 | jonwil | I mean z6 |
| 00:33.14 | jonwil | no luck yet |
| 00:33.20 | jonwil | will keep trying to get it to work :) |
| 00:33.26 | ghane | and i've still not got your stuff working |
| 00:33.35 | jonwil | whats the progress? |
| 00:33.48 | ghane | i just tested a bit |
| 00:33.53 | ghane | and its just stuck on read 0% |
| 00:34.49 | ghane | i'm a bit curious about the z6.ldr, is that the one from the f&b thingie or where does that come from |
| 00:35.40 | jonwil | well that particular z6.ldr came from R60 G 80.32.0FR ascension LANG002F.sbf |
| 00:35.55 | jonwil | I was using it because its version matched the version of the bootloader on my phone |
| 00:36.06 | ghane | ah |
| 00:36.14 | ghane | which is what version? |
| 00:36.18 | jonwil | a3.c4 |
| 00:36.32 | jonwil | if you have a different bootloader, you may need a different ramdownloader that matches it |
| 00:36.41 | ghane | that probably explains it |
| 00:36.55 | ghane | i've got the c9 |
| 00:37.29 | jonwil | btw, the guy from russia who did the hacks like ftp and such is also talking to me about motomagx |
| 00:37.39 | jonwil | I told him that we need a firmware read program |
| 00:37.47 | ghane | ok |
| 00:37.49 | jonwil | same guy who posted to the dev list |
| 00:37.55 | jonwil | abramm@gmail.com |
| 00:38.17 | jonwil | right now I am emerging SVN on my gentoo box |
| 00:38.27 | ghane | ah |
| 00:38.31 | jonwil | then I will do a svn checkout of the most recent stuff for the toolchain |
| 00:39.46 | ghane | have you managed to kill the am process and/or remove the security module? |
| 00:40.00 | jonwil | no luck on removing the security module with rmmod |
| 00:40.11 | jonwil | the am process doesnt seem to be a real issue actually |
| 00:40.35 | jonwil | I dont believe we need to kill it |
| 00:40.42 | ghane | is there any falv processes running? |
| 00:40.42 | jonwil | although if we do, it can be done easily enough |
| 00:41.22 | jonwil | I will note that something (I dont know what) has caused java to stop working (I get no apps in the java list) |
| 00:41.43 | jonwil | I sent more mail to that other guy to see if he knew what to do (e.g. which config file to delete or remove) |
| 00:42.04 | ghane | you cant install new java apps? |
| 00:42.18 | jonwil | no, I mean the preloaded apps have vanished |
| 00:42.21 | jonwil | from the list |
| 00:42.29 | ghane | ah |
| 00:42.36 | ghane | but if you install new ones? |
| 00:42.49 | jonwil | dont know |
| 00:43.01 | jonwil | but yeah hopefully he can tell me what I need to fix to get my sudoku back :) |
| 00:43.09 | ghane | i've noticed that there is some magic with the cardregistry file, it is dependent on some other files/settings to show the apps in the list |
| 00:43.15 | jonwil | as for the phone, the following processes are running on the phone |
| 00:43.16 | jonwil | init |
| 00:43.32 | jonwil | ksoftirqd |
| 00:43.38 | jonwil | desched |
| 00:43.40 | jonwil | events |
| 00:43.42 | ghane | i tried to manually edit it, and it works just for already installed apps, not if i add one myself |
| 00:43.43 | jonwil | khelper |
| 00:43.50 | jonwil | kblockd |
| 00:43.55 | jonwil | pdflush |
| 00:43.58 | jonwil | aio |
| 00:44.02 | jonwil | kswapd0 |
| 00:44.09 | jonwil | LCD_ESD |
| 00:44.12 | jonwil | mtdblockd |
| 00:44.17 | jonwil | kusbnetd |
| 00:44.23 | jonwil | ksim_module_deb |
| 00:44.26 | jonwil | keventd |
| 00:44.30 | jonwil | kdebounced |
| 00:44.33 | jonwil | mmcqd |
| 00:44.44 | jonwil | jffs2_gcd_mdt8 |
| 00:44.48 | jonwil | loop0 |
| 00:45.02 | jonwil | usr/SYSqtapp/windowsserver/windowsserver |
| 00:45.07 | jonwil | usr/SYSqtapp/sound/soundmanager |
| 00:45.15 | jonwil | mpm_workq |
| 00:45.20 | jonwil | usr/local/bin/panic_daemon |
| 00:45.24 | jonwil | usr/local/bin/panic_daemon |
| 00:45.30 | jonwil | usr/bin/nvm_daemon |
| 00:45.35 | jonwil | etc/scim/scim |
| 00:45.41 | jonwil | some of them like soundmanager are running multiple times |
| 00:45.46 | ghane | but the cmdline? falv -r -c windowsserver? |
| 00:46.03 | jonwil | dont see that |
| 00:46.11 | ghane | ok, thats good |
| 00:46.16 | jonwil | what is falv? |
| 00:47.15 | ghane | respawn deamon |
| 00:47.45 | jonwil | so yeah I see other stuff like the opera browser daemon |
| 00:47.51 | jonwil | nothing that screams to me "security process" |
| 00:47.56 | ghane | ok |
| 00:48.03 | jonwil | there is usr/bin/mfmsp/mfmsp |
| 00:48.05 | jonwil | whatever that is |
| 00:48.44 | ghane | dunno |
| 00:48.47 | jonwil | once I get some native code running on this thing, I intend to write something that can read from bits of memory (as the kernel sees them) and write to a disk file |
| 00:48.59 | jonwil | there is also usr/SYSqtapp/windowsserver/misc1 |
| 00:49.09 | jonwil | usr/local/bin/nand_watchdog |
| 00:49.36 | jonwil | usr/local/bin/secclkd |
| 00:49.46 | jonwil | that last one looks suspicious |
| 00:49.47 | ghane | secclkd sounds evil |
| 00:49.49 | ghane | ya |
| 00:49.51 | jonwil | oh wait |
| 00:49.56 | jonwil | I think that sec stands for security |
| 00:50.00 | jonwil | and clk stands for clock |
| 00:50.05 | jonwil | so its security clock daemon |
| 00:50.09 | jonwil | used for DRM and such |
| 00:50.16 | ghane | yes, evil |
| 00:50.17 | jonwil | being that this phone does WMA DRM |
| 00:50.22 | jonwil | its evil |
| 00:50.31 | jonwil | but it doesnt look like its going to get in our way of running native code apps |
| 00:50.41 | jonwil | also I see dmi_manager |
| 00:50.49 | jonwil | bin/devcontd |
| 00:51.04 | jonwil | etc/initservices/startup/50ssd |
| 00:51.10 | ghane | well i really have to try to get time to get a shell on mine |
| 00:51.36 | jonwil | most of the others look harmless like usbd |
| 00:51.40 | jonwil | and apmd |
| 00:51.59 | ghane | but i have a big problem |
| 00:52.02 | jonwil | so yeah that am app seems to be related to the main menu and home screen or something |
| 00:52.08 | jonwil | whats the problem? |
| 00:52.20 | ghane | 8 hours of coding mobile phones all day doesnt make you too motivated when you get homs :) |
| 00:52.32 | jonwil | who do you work for? :P |
| 00:52.51 | ghane | not moto |
| 00:52.56 | jonwil | heh |
| 00:52.56 | ghane | :P |
| 00:53.00 | ghane | sorry |
| 00:53.08 | jonwil | I guessed that |
| 00:53.15 | jonwil | if you worked for moto, you wouldnt be here |
| 00:53.20 | ghane | lol |
| 00:53.25 | ghane | or i wouldnt tell you |
| 00:53.47 | jonwil | ezxlocal/download/appwrite/am contains configs related to main menu and homescreen |
| 00:53.50 | file | Teleca Sweden AB? |
| 00:54.20 | ghane | Teleca Sweden untill a month ago |
| 00:54.28 | ghane | my site is not updated :) |
| 00:54.34 | file | or your linkedin |
| 00:54.38 | ghane | no |
| 00:54.42 | jonwil | of course the other question is why you are not using the phone of whatever company you work for |
| 00:55.18 | ghane | well i'm not working for a manufactorer |
| 00:55.29 | jonwil | :) |
| 00:56.12 | jonwil | do you have any loyalty to any particular brand of phone? |
| 00:56.18 | jonwil | or do you just buy whatever works for you? |
| 00:57.03 | ghane | actually i prefer Sony Ericsson for making calls, they are also in my opinion the best for J2ME |
| 00:57.36 | jonwil | the only phone that would get me to not buy a motorola is if someone made a phone that was officially open (like FIC Neo) in a form factor I liked |
| 00:57.37 | jonwil | :) |
| 00:57.56 | ghane | but i had and have used nokias, philips and all that evil windows mobile shit too |
| 00:57.57 | jonwil | but since that wont happen anytime soon, I am going to stick with option B |
| 00:58.17 | jonwil | which is to buy a phone thats closed and use every skill I have to free it |
| 00:58.31 | jonwil | although unlike some, my goal isnt to replace all the motorola stuff, just to extend it |
| 00:58.37 | ghane | actually thats the only reason i bought a motorola |
| 00:58.50 | ghane | would never bought one of their phones otherwise |
| 00:58.58 | jonwil | why reinvent the wheel and rewrite all the stuff motorola already wrote if you dont have to |
| 00:59.53 | jonwil | with ezx it makes sense since everything from the kernel on up is ancient :) |
| 01:00.19 | ghane | and it makes sense with the current motomagx too |
| 01:00.24 | ghane | since they are crippled |
| 01:00.48 | jonwil | what I mean is that it makes sense with ezx to replace all the moto s/w completly |
| 01:00.57 | jonwil | because its so out-of-date |
| 01:01.07 | jonwil | but with motomagx, it makes more sense to extend the moto stuff |
| 01:01.23 | ghane | i'm more in for replacing :) |
| 01:01.41 | jonwil | other than the digital signature, what else is wrong with the magx stuff? |
| 01:01.47 | ghane | jonwil: btw, what does cpuinfo say? |
| 01:02.14 | jonwil | Processor : Some Random V6 Processor rev 1 (v6l) |
| 01:02.18 | ghane | jonwil: that they disabled native binaries |
| 01:02.21 | jonwil | BogoMIPS : 88.46 |
| 01:02.29 | ghane | 88 bogomips? |
| 01:02.32 | ghane | thats little |
| 01:02.40 | jonwil | Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java |
| 01:02.46 | jonwil | CPU implementer : 0x41 |
| 01:02.48 | ghane | on the openezx site it said 300 i think |
| 01:02.51 | jonwil | CPU architecture: 6TEJ |
| 01:02.57 | jonwil | CPU variant : 0x1 |
| 01:02.57 | ghane | ah |
| 01:03.00 | ghane | dmesg perhaps? |
| 01:03.03 | jonwil | CPU part : 0xb36 |
| 01:03.06 | jonwil | dmesg? |
| 01:03.08 | ghane | ya |
| 01:03.17 | ghane | what does dmesg say? |
| 01:03.22 | ghane | is there the boot sequence |
| 01:03.33 | ghane | would be interesting to know if the cpu speed is printed out |
| 01:03.35 | jonwil | I see no dmsg in /proc |
| 01:03.46 | jonwil | or dmesg |
| 01:03.49 | ghane | no just run dmesg |
| 01:03.57 | jonwil | dmesg is not found |
| 01:04.01 | ghane | ok |
| 01:04.21 | jonwil | anything else you want to know while I am looking at /proc? |
| 01:04.41 | ghane | not sure |
| 01:04.46 | ghane | devices? |
| 01:05.21 | ghane | i should really get telnet on my device instead |
| 01:05.42 | jonwil | oh and as for native binaries, the hacks I have already have remount /ezxlocal/download/mystuff and /mmc/mmca1 without noexec |
| 01:05.56 | jonwil | and you can run binaries from both filesystems just fine (i.e. the ftpd) |
| 01:06.13 | ghane | true |
| 01:06.27 | ghane | but i mean by default, they crippled it pretty well |
| 01:06.34 | jonwil | yeah, by default they did |
| 01:06.52 | jonwil | but I think its better to remove the restrictions from the moto setup |
| 01:06.53 | ghane | but the platform has potential |
| 01:06.56 | jonwil | than to replace the whole thing |
| 01:07.13 | ghane | depends on how much you want to do with it |
| 01:07.30 | ghane | i more or less want to replace qtopia |
| 01:07.52 | jonwil | whats wrong with the QT moto used? |
| 01:08.01 | ghane | dont like QT at all |
| 01:08.07 | jonwil | ok |
| 01:08.25 | jonwil | me, I dont care what windowing toolkit moto used, I just want to keep using it as a phone |
| 01:09.05 | jonwil | The #1 argument for not replacing the moto software for me is this line listed as an openezx feature "How to make calls (very experimental)" |
| 01:09.07 | ghane | i want to put something nicer on it and still using it as a phone :) |
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| 01:09.25 | ghane | hehe |
| 01:10.01 | jonwil | so yeah I have proposals for a way to "jailbreak" the phone as it were |
| 01:10.13 | jonwil | which will do things like enable telnet |
| 01:10.15 | jonwil | and such] |
| 01:10.34 | jonwil | that should make the 90% of z6 owners who DONT want to replace the entire software happy |
| 01:10.44 | jonwil | and hopefully lead to more native apps being written for the thing |
| 01:10.58 | ghane | true |
| 01:11.11 | jonwil | It looks like the so-called "native SDK" motorola has talked about is dead in the water |
| 01:11.28 | ghane | never going to hapen i think |
| 01:11.47 | ghane | it was trolltech that was going to build it |
| 01:11.52 | ghane | and now nokia bought them |
| 01:11.57 | ghane | BUT |
| 01:12.17 | ghane | i wonder how far the actual greenphone sdk things are from whats needed for the motomagx |
| 01:12.31 | jonwil | In any case, such a SDK would be locked down |
| 01:12.39 | jonwil | Look at the new iPhone SDK and the restrictions with that |
| 01:12.51 | ghane | havent looked at it |
| 01:13.04 | ghane | and lol, it doesnt seem like that sdk was ever really needed |
| 01:14.07 | jonwil | actually I think it will be popular. Lots of people who dont want to jailbreak their phones just to run 3rd party apps |
| 01:14.21 | jonwil | Oh and all the big companies like EA and AOL getting into the iphone app business |
| 01:14.30 | ghane | yes of course |
| 01:20.16 | ghane | well |
| 01:20.19 | ghane | gotta sleep |
| 01:20.24 | ghane | good nite |
| 01:20.25 | ghane | later |
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| 02:04.10 | naWel | hellp |
| 02:04.15 | naWel | hello |
| 02:04.57 | naWel | i need some help to start bluez on a1200 |
| 02:07.06 | naWel | i was maded a script but in fails in hciconfig hci0 up |
| 02:07.34 | naWel | the console out is: Can't init device hci0: Connection timed out (110) |
| 02:07.45 | naWel | can anyone help me? |
| 02:43.06 | WyrM | naWel: AFAIK bluez doesnt support BCM2045 yet. |
| 02:44.49 | WyrM | naWel: bcm2045 support to BlueZ is on my todo list, i will post on openezx-devel when i have a patch ready. |
| 02:49.09 | naWel | WyrM: i have an apication bluez based, an it can make pan connection between my a1200r and my pc |
| 02:49.34 | WyrM | naWel: and how do you hciattach? |
| 02:49.39 | naWel | bluepand.pkg |
| 02:50.25 | naWel | i can't do it until now |
| 02:50.44 | naWel | i'm tried with de aplication binaryes |
| 02:51.32 | WyrM | naWel: you should ask the application developer to release the source code and see how it is done. |
| 02:52.13 | naWel | but when i do hciconfig hci0 i see the error... |
| 02:52.18 | naWel | ok |
| 02:52.39 | naWel | i don't know who is |
| 02:52.59 | naWel | and the application is non gpl |
| 02:53.09 | naWel | not gpl |
| 02:53.11 | WyrM | naWel: if it is bluez based it IS GPL. |
| 02:53.23 | WyrM | naWel: it has to be. |
| 02:53.36 | naWel | yes, but the modules not |
| 02:53.57 | WyrM | modules? you mean kernel modules? |
| 02:54.18 | naWel | yes |
| 02:54.51 | WyrM | i dont see a reason to use kernel modules to communicate with a chip connected to the BTUART of a pxa processor. |
| 02:55.21 | naWel | look at this insmod: a module named bcm2045 already exists |
| 02:55.25 | WyrM | maybe the modules that you are talking about are BlueZ itself. |
| 02:56.07 | naWel | no |
| 02:57.04 | naWel | Warning: loading /ezxlocal/bluez/lib/modules/bcm2045.o will taint the kernel: no |
| 02:57.07 | naWel | n-GPL license - PRIV |
| 02:57.07 | naWel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.07 | naWel | les |
| 02:57.07 | naWel | Warning: loading /ezxlocal/bluez/lib/modules/bcm2045.o will taint the kernel: fo |
| 02:57.07 | naWel | rced load |
| 02:58.40 | WyrM | i cannot support commercial/restricted software, sorry. |
| 02:59.06 | WyrM | when i have some time i will add bcm2045 to standard bluez. |
| 02:59.33 | WyrM | not via this bcm2045.ko proprietary crap. |
| 03:00.42 | naWel | the application is started by a shell script, and it executes a the bluez binaries and a bluetooth binary... i think what the bluetooth binary is used to comunicate with tapisrv to init bcm2045 |
| 03:00.45 | naWel | ohh |
| 03:00.47 | naWel | ok |
| 03:00.52 | naWel | sorry and thanks |
| 03:01.01 | WyrM | naWel: np :) |
| 03:01.44 | naWel | i hate the restricted software too |
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| 04:06.46 | jonwil | hi |
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