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| 07:19.46 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:03.56 | jonwil | hi |
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| 11:03.47 | jonwil | hi |
| 11:06.33 | ao2 | hi jonwil |
| 11:07.22 | jonwil | overwriting important carrier settings and crap |
| 11:08.39 | jonwil | There is a program called Flash&Backup which (along with some other files I found) claims to be able to backup firmware from Z6, however the files it backs up are not correct |
| 11:08.42 | jonwil | i.e. they are garbage |
| 11:09.22 | LuitvD | shouldn't carriers have their settings available on their website or something? |
| 11:09.36 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.53 | jonwil | settings that have been switched on and off by moto for the specific carrier |
| 11:09.55 | jonwil | etc |
| 11:10.01 | LuitvD | right... |
| 11:11.01 | LuitvD | there must be some way to readout the whole firmware... IIRC the 2.4 EZX phones have that option too... |
| 11:11.04 | jonwil | hmmm, I have an idea. I think what would be usefull is to find someone who has a z6 phone where at least one of the firmware pieces is already available online * |
| 11:11.28 | jonwil | either because they have a phone with the right f/w or are willing to flash such f/w |
| 11:11.43 | jonwil | from there, we can find out why the flash&backup backups dont work correctly |
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| 11:45.26 | ghane | jonwil: do you think i should try to brick my Z6 today or tomorow? |
| 11:45.47 | jonwil | what do you mean? |
| 11:48.23 | ghane | jonwil: i'm getting nowhere, so i can just brick it so it doesnt irritate me anymore |
| 11:49.15 | jonwil | I am getting nowhere either |
| 11:49.20 | jonwil | but I dont intend to ruin a perfectly good phone |
| 11:49.45 | ghane | lol |
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| 11:52.36 | ghane | well not brick it intentionally, just try something stupid that will brick it |
| 11:54.32 | jonwil | I dont know of anything worth trying |
| 11:56.27 | ghane | well replacing the bootloader would be worth it if its working |
| 11:56.29 | jonwil | what firmware you running (I forget if you already told me( |
| 11:57.11 | ghane | i don't remember, doesnt have the phone here |
| 11:57.28 | jonwil | ok |
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| 12:14.12 | ghane | how are the laws about revers engineering what is considered legal to gain information? |
| 12:14.42 | ghane | i remember there was some problems in the USA about not allowing you to reverse something and then write own code |
| 12:14.57 | ghane | but if you just wrote documents and someone else wrote code from that then the code was legal |
| 12:16.29 | jonwil | if you are just obtaining information and not violating copyright, reverese engineering should be legal |
| 12:16.44 | jonwil | although in the case of the moto phones, DMCA may apply |
| 12:16.56 | ghane | DMCA? |
| 12:18.14 | ghane | whats that? |
| 12:18.15 | LuitvD | Digital Milennium Copyright Act |
| 12:18.18 | ghane | ah |
| 12:18.22 | ghane | whatever |
| 12:18.34 | ghane | that evil thing |
| 12:19.01 | ghane | fortunately that one doesnt affect you outside of usa |
| 12:19.10 | jonwil | yeah |
| 12:19.44 | jonwil | although some of the crap that bastard Howard passed via the aus-usa free trade aggrement may come into play |
| 12:20.01 | ghane | ah |
| 12:20.16 | ghane | i'm not really sure about how it is in Sweden |
| 12:20.31 | jonwil | you may have EUCD in sweeden |
| 12:20.51 | jonwil | ultimatly though it depends on whether motorola wants to sue someone under whatever law may apply |
| 12:20.57 | jonwil | i.e. whether they care about such hacking |
| 12:21.07 | ghane | they actually managed to do some crazy stuff here, eg. when they did the raid against The PirateBay - basically breaking against every single law in Sweden |
| 12:22.00 | jonwil | What I want to know is why the movie studios think they are above the law |
| 12:22.05 | jonwil | and can do whatever they like |
| 12:22.31 | ghane | They closed down the servers of "The Pirate Party" an political organization in Sweden, and that could be considered as a violation of the Freedom of speech law that we have here |
| 12:22.43 | ghane | which is one of the most fundamental laws in sweden |
| 12:23.17 | LuitvD | jonwil: one simple factor: money |
| 12:23.32 | ghane | Can't be modified without two descisions of the government with an election inbetween |
| 12:24.52 | jonwil | When a democratic government violates its own laws, you should vote them out |
| 12:24.58 | jonwil | and vote for someone who wont do crap like that |
| 12:25.30 | ghane | yeah, but do you think the majority of the people understands that? |
| 12:26.05 | ghane | they don't even know that such a political organization exists |
| 12:26.49 | ghane | they might have heard about the evil site that upsets the music and moovie companies that have a name that sound similair to the political organization |
| 12:28.07 | ghane | anyway |
| 12:28.27 | ghane | are anyone familiar with the actual boot process of the Magx devices? |
| 12:28.36 | ghane | couldnt be that different from the Ezx? |
| 12:29.15 | jonwil | Its different from ezx |
| 12:29.23 | jonwil | There is a moto bootloader |
| 12:29.36 | ghane | ya i know there is two different boot loaders |
| 12:29.40 | jonwil | which then loads a seperate bootloader called lbl |
| 12:29.46 | ghane | ya |
| 12:29.54 | ghane | the thing i wonder is |
| 12:29.56 | jonwil | the problem yeah is that we cant replace lbl |
| 12:30.02 | ghane | where is the actual signing done? |
| 12:30.03 | jonwil | or root filesystem |
| 12:30.05 | jonwil | because of the signing |
| 12:30.18 | jonwil | signature checks are done when you download |
| 12:30.20 | ghane | is it the MBM that checks the signing of everything? |
| 12:30.28 | jonwil | I dont know if the bootloader also does signature checks |
| 12:30.36 | jonwil | or just the code handling flash downloading |
| 12:30.50 | ghane | you mean the signing checks are done when flashing? |
| 12:31.01 | jonwil | I think so |
| 12:32.03 | ghane | lol where did he go? |
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| 12:32.42 | ghane | jonwil: where did you go? :) |
| 12:32.50 | jonwil | sorry |
| 12:32.56 | ghane | looked quite funny |
| 12:33.10 | ghane | not going to flash anything - QUIT! |
| 12:33.32 | LuitvD | /quit is fun :) |
| 12:33.42 | ghane | really sucks that everythong is done in the mbm |
| 12:34.02 | ghane | any attempt to replace it will render the phone unflashable |
| 12:34.02 | jonwil | I didnt intend to quit :) |
| 12:34.19 | jonwil | yeah it does suck that everything is done in the motorola boot loader |
| 12:34.45 | jonwil | maybe what we need to do is what the iPhone hackers have done, namely reverse engineer the motorola boot loader and ramdownloader looking for holes |
| 12:35.13 | jonwil | Although given that motorola has been building phones for a LOT longer than Apple has, I doubt we would find anything as big as they did |
| 12:36.53 | jonwil | hmmm so yeah if we can find someone with a z6 who is running a flash file that is "out there" on the internet or who is willing to flash such a file, we can try and read stuff with Flash&Backup program |
| 12:37.11 | jonwil | and compare CG before writing to phone with CG after reading back with Flash&Backup |
| 12:37.26 | jonwil | then we can try and make Flash&Backup work if at all possible |
| 12:37.46 | jonwil | Anyone know of a program that can log what is sent over USB on windows? |
| 12:38.03 | ghane | i can just say that i found the bootloader that mine is running |
| 12:38.43 | ghane | the problem is that if you break it you cant flash it |
| 12:39.09 | ghane | and probably the signature checking is done there so you basically cant replace anything else before replacing the mbm |
| 12:39.22 | jonwil | there are a few codegroups that are not signed |
| 12:39.32 | ghane | yes |
| 12:39.40 | ghane | hmm |
| 12:39.50 | ghane | probably the signaturechecking would be in one of those |
| 12:40.01 | jonwil | no, it would be in the MBM which is signed |
| 12:40.04 | ghane | jonwil: you can use USBTrace |
| 12:40.37 | ghane | jonwil: not all blocks of the mbm is signed |
| 12:40.55 | jonwil | how do u know this? |
| 12:41.21 | ghane | i just unpacked it and looked at the three files that unshx gave me |
| 12:42.08 | jonwil | which 3 files did it give you? |
| 12:42.13 | jonwil | which codegroups? |
| 12:42.28 | ghane | well its not codegroups |
| 12:42.43 | ghane | its just three chunks of code |
| 12:43.04 | ghane | named like hex addresses |
| 12:43.07 | jonwil | each of which is a different codegroup |
| 12:43.09 | jonwil | or so |
| 12:43.14 | jonwil | can you point me to this bootloader download please? |
| 12:45.50 | jonwil | gaah, this IRC client doesnt like PMs for some funky reason |
| 12:45.57 | jonwil | or rather PMs to you |
| 12:45.58 | ghane | lol |
| 12:46.00 | ghane | ok |
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| 16:50.02 | ao2 | hi WyrM |
| 16:50.25 | ao2 | how are you doing? |
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| 16:55.42 | WyrM | ao2: Hi! |
| 16:55.58 | WyrM | ao2: Fine, and you? :) |
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| 17:23.31 | _Krieger_ | please direct me how to flash a ming a1200e if i have a PC with linux (gentoo) |
| 17:23.46 | _Krieger_ | what tools to use |
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| 18:04.44 | ao2 | WyrM, I disabled the SDIO stuff in kernel, but this way I do not get any interface, maybe the problem reported on linux-arm was about the same card with both SDIO and storage, is it possible that A910 uses two different slots? |
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| 19:19.34 | _Krieger_ | please direct me how to flash a ming a1200e if i have a PC with linux (gentoo) |
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| 20:01.02 | WyrM | ao2: yes, it may be possible! :) |
| 20:01.19 | WyrM | _Krieger_: i dont know if ezxflash works with a1200. |
| 20:01.45 | WyrM | _Krieger_: you have to try yourself, be careful. :) |
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| 21:42.08 | _Krieger_ | thanks. how to convert sbf to shx staying in linux? |
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