| 00:19.41 | irdakabel | Yudihudigeissefudi! |
| 00:19.46 | irdakabel | calling with sound works! |
| 00:22.04 | stefan_schmidt | irdakabel: Congrats |
| 00:22.34 | stefan_schmidt | irdakabel: Now we need this in useable, means not starting a call from a terminal. ;) |
| 00:22.51 | irdakabel | open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D2p", O_RDONLY); |
| 00:22.57 | irdakabel | this was all I was missing. |
| 00:23.38 | stefan_schmidt | irdakabel: As I said, the usage is scary :) |
| 00:23.41 | irdakabel | stefan_schmidt: well... for the moment I'm more than happy that it works at least in the terminal. |
| 00:23.49 | irdakabel | yes. |
| 00:23.51 | stefan_schmidt | irdakabel: sure :) |
| 00:24.39 | irdakabel | which AT-Commands did you use to send SMS? |
| 00:25.03 | stefan_schmidt | irdakabel: You should not do this by hand |
| 00:25.07 | stefan_schmidt | irdakabel: gnokii |
| 00:25.40 | stefan_schmidt | irdakabel: The two or three times I have done it I used gnokii with some patches from mkezx |
| 00:26.33 | stefan_schmidt | irdakabel: But this was all totally hacky. Just a proof of concept that our mux stuff was working |
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| 10:10.07 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 10:10.12 | AndiM | hi |
| 11:05.36 | WyrM | good morning. |
| 11:05.48 | LuitvD | hi WyrM |
| 11:24.43 | AndiM | would you want me to submit patches against kernel files or patches against current _patchset_ files? |
| 11:24.59 | LuitvD | I've downloaded stefan's toolchain :) which kernel should I be trying to run? |
| 11:25.09 | LuitvD | .24? .21.4? |
| 11:25.19 | AndiM | definitely .24, I'd say. |
| 11:25.26 | AndiM | but I'm not authoritative ;) |
| 11:26.06 | LuitvD | AndiM: true, but I have a gut feeling .24 would be the right thing to do |
| 11:27.10 | AndiM | .24 is "ok", but be prepared to potentially see SD card issues (just override the error via a crude hack for now, I'll hopefully continue digging into it later) |
| 11:27.35 | LuitvD | AndiM: on which device |
| 11:27.44 | AndiM | E680 with certain SD cards |
| 11:28.02 | AndiM | but it's probably not device-specific |
| 11:28.03 | LuitvD | I've got the E690 (aka ROKR E6) |
| 11:28.26 | LuitvD | I'm not sure it uses the same mmc drivers |
| 11:31.41 | AndiM | why shouldn't it? unless it uses TransFlash it should be exactly the same I'd think. |
| 11:33.25 | LuitvD | AFAIK the A1200 and E6 needed something special to get the SD card working |
| 11:33.44 | LuitvD | WyrM should know all about it, as he's the one who fixed support :) |
| 11:36.45 | AndiM | does E6 have he amplifier? or pcap-only? |
| 11:36.53 | AndiM | s/he/the/ |
| 11:36.54 | LuitvD | dunno... |
| 11:37.02 | LuitvD | AndiM: I guess it does... |
| 11:37.26 | LuitvD | AndiM: sound always needs some amplification |
| 11:39.05 | LuitvD | which kernel source should I download? .24.2 or plain .24? |
| 11:40.15 | AndiM | LuitvD: only E680 has that specific amplifier, A780 doesn't. |
| 11:40.35 | AndiM | LuitvD: I would use plain .24, .24.2 might conflict. |
| 11:40.43 | LuitvD | AndiM: okay :) |
| 11:40.53 | AndiM | why would you care about .24.2 for a devel phone anyway? ;) |
| 11:41.00 | LuitvD | true :) |
| 11:41.23 | LuitvD | AndiM: can the moto firmware show some info about amp circuitry? |
| 11:41.33 | LuitvD | somewhere in /proc perhaps |
| 11:42.31 | AndiM | hmmmm, good question. I didn't specifically look for it, but I didn't see anything either. and a .deb i2c-tools package didn't work, so there's no way to do easy user-space i2c probing. |
| 11:42.58 | AndiM | (that .deb does work on a current rootfs, though) |
| 11:43.41 | AndiM | bbl (food is on the table :) |
| 11:44.22 | WyrM | AndiM: patches against the kernel files please. |
| 11:44.44 | WyrM | and there are no differences on a1200/e6 sd driver :) |
| 11:44.59 | AndiM | short summary: i2c-tools armel debian package, openmoko rootfs or so, i2cdetect -a 0 0x7c 0x7c and that's it. |
| 11:45.03 | WyrM | a1200 (transflash) use the exact same code as a780 |
| 11:45.13 | LuitvD | WyrM: what's the difference between e680 and e6/a1200 |
| 11:45.15 | WyrM | and e6(sd) the exact same code as e680 :) |
| 11:45.20 | AndiM | WyrM: thanks! and thought so... |
| 11:45.21 | LuitvD | right |
| 11:45.29 | LuitvD | that's good :) |
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| 13:56.47 | LuitvD | how do I modify the patchset to work for .24? |
| 13:56.54 | LuitvD | it won't quilt... |
| 14:06.48 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: the current toolchain is a semi-permanent ezx toolchain? |
| 14:07.04 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: the one on people.openezx.org? |
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| 14:14.40 | LuitvD | the patchset is built on .21 ... how do I apply it to .24? |
| 14:19.47 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: (Toolchain) Yes, the one from http://people.openezx.org/stefan/tmp/ is scheduled for an "official" one. |
| 14:19.58 | LuitvD | good :) |
| 14:20.03 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: (.24) Do you use the .24 branch of the patches? |
| 14:20.22 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: err... I just svn co-ed |
| 14:20.42 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: And which path....? |
| 14:20.50 | LuitvD | I guess /trunk/src/linux-2.6/patches... |
| 14:21.09 | LuitvD | s/linux/kernel/ |
| 14:21.24 | stefan_schmidt | http://svn.openezx.org/branches/kernel-2.6.24.x-patches/ |
| 14:21.43 | LuitvD | riiiight :P |
| 14:26.13 | LuitvD | thank you :) |
| 14:26.24 | LuitvD | now I can build again :) |
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| 14:48.32 | WyrM | where do i get the latest gsmd ipkg? |
| 14:51.16 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: Angstrom unstable? |
| 14:52.50 | WyrM | stefan_schmidt: thanks :) |
| 15:29.07 | LuitvD | which rootfs should I use once the kernel works? |
| 15:36.11 | LuitvD | or is there no default/base rootfs? |
| 15:36.41 | LuitvD | (I know I have the choice between different distributions, but frankly I don't give a damn at the moment) :) |
| 15:37.04 | LuitvD | (for anything is better then the default firmware) |
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| 16:32.17 | flyhorse1 | homepage dosn't updated for a longtime how is the state now ? |
| 16:40.07 | AndiM | LuitvD: I'm using full OpenMoko unstable rootfs, and it works so-so (stupid notification bars popping up every second). |
| 16:40.19 | AndiM | but it does everything it should AFAICS. |
| 16:41.02 | LuitvD | AndiM: prebuilt, or built it yourself? |
| 16:41.12 | AndiM | LuitvD: binary image |
| 16:42.08 | LuitvD | from where? |
| 16:50.25 | AndiM | oh, sorry, missed your question ;) |
| 16:52.00 | AndiM | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/e680/ |
| 16:52.23 | AndiM | good to know that I saved all this stuff hierarchically ;) |
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| 17:43.31 | AndiM | hi |
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| 18:49.19 | AndiM | ARGH. rather nice wasting tons of days cooking up patches and then not being able to get rid of them due to some STOOOOPID SMTP error. |
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| 19:42.20 | zbojnik | hey all |
| 19:42.34 | zbojnik | I didn't get my question answered on the list so I'm hoping I can here |
| 19:43.17 | zbojnik | does openezx support 802.11 on any phones? |
| 19:43.25 | zbojnik | what about video? |
| 19:44.33 | AndiM | zbojnik: nope, none of the models have WLAN and SDIO (few models only) hasn't been tested yet, AFAIK. |
| 19:45.41 | AndiM | video should be doable relatively easily, there's a driver for the E680 camera and there are drivers for others, too, I think. However it needs work to get it integrated since v4l isn't mobile-capable currently I've been told. |
| 19:46.26 | LuitvD | zbojnik: openezx doesn't support anything at the moment IMHO... for openezx is the set of drivers needed for a random linux distribution to run on certain Motorola phones |
| 19:46.54 | AndiM | zbojnik: ok, that wasn't entirely accurate I think since one single model does have WLAN I think and if I'm not mistaken it's even a TI chip (my WLAN driver ;) |
| 19:47.18 | LuitvD | one model (the A910) does support WLAN |
| 19:47.28 | LuitvD | (internal) |
| 19:47.32 | zbojnik | yeah |
| 19:47.42 | zbojnik | is it released to the public yet? |
| 19:47.59 | AndiM | zbojnik: http://wiki.openezx.org/A910 |
| 19:48.15 | LuitvD | zbojnik: what do you mean by released? |
| 19:48.57 | AndiM | ah, nope, it's Marvell SD8385 there. |
| 19:48.58 | LuitvD | zbojnik: the device and it's default software has no connection to this project whatsoever |
| 19:52.54 | zbojnik | I'm assuming OpenEZX doesn't run on the A910 yet? |
| 19:53.12 | LuitvD | zbojnik: OpenEZX doesn't "run" ... it supports |
| 19:53.40 | zbojnik | LuitvD: ? |
| 19:54.05 | LuitvD | zbojnik: OpenEZX is an effort to get things like OpenMoko running on devices like the A910 |
| 19:56.54 | zbojnik | LuitvD: right, but when you flash an openezx image onto the phone, doesn't it run an OS? |
| 19:57.14 | AndiM | zbojnik: there's no openzx "image". we're just making sure *other* frameworks work. |
| 19:57.43 | LuitvD | AndiM: false, the patched kernel is an "image"-like binary |
| 19:57.53 | LuitvD | AndiM: but it's no full OS image |
| 19:58.17 | zbojnik | ok, I'm probably just getting hung up on terminology here |
| 19:58.19 | AndiM | ok, well, technically if you flash a pre-built kernel image to a partition, then you can boot an environment on a rootfs, so yeah, we do have a kernel image from time to time. |
| 19:59.18 | WM | zbojnik: OpenEZX is kernel only work. It runs on A910, but the Wifi chip is not supported yet. |
| 19:59.42 | zbojnik | yeah, I saw that |
| 20:00.18 | WM | zbojnik: yes, the pxa processor can play video, very likely at full 30fps at the 320x240 display. |
| 20:00.28 | LuitvD | zbojnik: OpenEZX is a set of kernel patches and some userspace apps. apart from the kernel and apps you need the rootfs, for which you can chose OpenMoko, Opie, GPE, etc. |
| 20:01.06 | zbojnik | WM: thanks |
| 20:01.17 | WM | zbojnik: you can use bluetooth bnep to get streamed video too, in this case you can use a780/e680 safely for your project. :) |
| 20:01.47 | zbojnik | WM: that might work |
| 20:02.13 | zbojnik | WM: I have an A780 and have run a hello world kernel module on it |
| 20:03.22 | zbojnik | so I have some exposure |
| 20:03.51 | zbojnik | is it a lot of effort to port libraries over to the phone? |
| 20:03.55 | zbojnik | like libsrtp? |
| 20:04.15 | WM | zbojnik: and by using BT, you will save some bucks with the phone you already have :) Just be sure that your stream will take less than 250kbps and it will give good results. |
| 20:06.41 | zbojnik | please forgive my ignorance, but why can't one of those rootfs run on the stock kernel? |
| 20:07.07 | WM | zbojnik: no, its generally very easy. You may run into some toolchain incompatibilities or memory restrictions. |
| 20:07.20 | LuitvD | and it's a 2.4 kernel |
| 20:07.59 | zbojnik | but Mot has 2.6 kernel phones |
| 20:08.22 | zbojnik | isn't the rizr z6 a 2.6? |
| 20:08.48 | LuitvD | the EZX phones currently targeted in the OpenEZX project are all 2.4 |
| 20:08.51 | zbojnik | I think that's the first one where they combined the AP and BP |
| 20:08.58 | WM | zbojnik: 2.6 phones from motorola uses a very different hardware. |
| 20:09.40 | AndiM | WM: cannot mail patches due to SMTP issues :( |
| 20:11.33 | WM | AndiM: send me in any way you are able to, i forward it to the ML for you. |
| 20:14.10 | LuitvD | WM: people.openezx.org? |
| 20:28.39 | AndiM | WM: ok, sending to you privately will hopefully work (SPF issues...) |
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| 20:52.32 | AndiM | WM: sent first patch - got it? |
| 20:55.32 | WM | AndiM: No :/ |
| 20:55.44 | WM | have you sent to my @gmail address? |
| 20:56.08 | AndiM | WM: yup |
| 20:56.15 | AndiM | no errors. |
| 21:01.51 | AndiM | WM: nothing? Still no bounces on my side... |
| 21:15.07 | WM | AndiM: No, not even on the spam folder :( |
| 21:16.04 | AndiM | nice, so Google is eating stuff silently. |
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| 21:28.22 | AndiM | preparing dual boot currently... |
| 22:21.10 | LuitvD | yay, patches :) |
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| 22:29.23 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 22:30.40 | LuitvD | hi |
| 22:36.35 | AndiM | wow, didn't know that tomtom has a significant Linux-based product line. always thought it's doze only. |
| 22:37.05 | AndiM | now I know what kind of navigation device to buy :-) |
| 22:37.17 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: wyrm * r2102 /branches/kernel-2.6.24.x-patches/ (ezx-asoc.patch ezx-pcap.patch): |
| 22:37.17 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: Incorporate changes from Andreas Mohr |
| 22:37.17 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * annotate PCAP header |
| 22:37.17 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * correct PCAP mixer control names |
| 22:37.18 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * /proc/pcap: rename VREG to AUXVREG for less confusion |
| 22:37.34 | stefan_schmidt | Ah, there AndiMs patches go |
| 22:38.12 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: About the 2.6 kernel on newer phones |
| 22:38.39 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: Yes, they use 2.6.10 but they also make it a lot harder to modify things. |
| 22:38.52 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: For now we were not able to flash an own kernel |
| 22:39.10 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: not even a RAM load? |
| 22:39.42 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: Where RAM loaded? Once the OS is running? |
| 22:39.54 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: ... point taken :P |
| 22:40.01 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: No communication with the bootloader besides errors |
| 22:40.05 | LuitvD | lol |
| 22:40.40 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: what sorts of things can't be modified? |
| 22:40.51 | stefan_schmidt | Mostly the same protocol but after uploading it to the phone we get an error. Looks like signed kernels only. But that is not verified completely. |
| 22:41.10 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: is the bootloader open-source? |
| 22:41.21 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: nope |
| 22:41.29 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: damn |
| 22:41.36 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: The kernel, the only thing people are interested here. ;) |
| 22:41.45 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: OK, that's not accurate. |
| 22:42.20 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: We, OpenEZX team, cares not about modifying the running firmware. That's for the modder community. |
| 22:42.38 | LuitvD | (like motorolafans members) |
| 22:42.45 | zbojnik | right |
| 22:42.58 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: Different scopes. We like to run a 2.6 kernel with all the stuff on top we like to see. |
| 22:43.17 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: That's brings the problem that we are way behind. |
| 22:44.08 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: I guess for your project you like to be more pragmatic? :) |
| 22:44.28 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: so is this an issue of adding support in the kernel that the Mot one does not have |
| 22:45.03 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: Support for what? |
| 22:45.17 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: I guess that's my question |
| 22:45.46 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: is this to enable modders to do things on the phone that they can't with the stock kernel? |
| 22:46.25 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: Most are fine with adding a new compiled binary into the firmware and re-flash. |
| 22:46.48 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: yes, more pragmatic, though I'm still just investigating if this is a reasonably feasible avenue |
| 22:46.49 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: Some have use cases where they need an additional kernel module for some app |
| 22:47.37 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: What we are doing here is for sport and fun. Having a full blown 2.6 kernel and pushing patches upstream (Hopefully) |
| 22:47.52 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: that makes sense |
| 22:48.17 | LuitvD | zbojnik: we want full control instead of a tied-up piece of software untied a bit more with every mod |
| 22:48.35 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: I just want to let you know this as it higher your time do get something ready with OpenEZX instead of modifying the original firmware |
| 22:49.29 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: If you have the time and are eager to help. Great. If not, that's of course also fine. But for the later we can't help you. |
| 22:51.23 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: thanks, I'll look to motorolafans for the latter. |
| 22:51.38 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: ok |
| 22:52.10 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: I am very eager to help, though time is more an issue, with a thesis and coursework and all |
| 22:52.23 | LuitvD | zbojnik: you might see some openEZX related stuff there too :) on the motorolafans forum |
| 22:53.07 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: Sure. I hope you have some more infos now where you can base your stuff on. |
| 22:55.19 | zbojnik | stefan_schmidt: oh it helps a lot. hope it wasn't too much trouble for you all as it's a bit OT |
| 22:55.53 | stefan_schmidt | zbojnik: Nah, as long as people are nice while asking it's always fine. :) |
| 23:09.19 | LuitvD | bedtime |
| 23:09.21 | LuitvD | bye :) |
| 23:12.23 | AndiM | bedtime #2, bye! |
| 23:12.44 | stefan_schmidt | night guys |
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