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| 08:01.09 | koen | stefan_schmidt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/1349025821/ |
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| 10:03.59 | LuitvD | mornin' |
| 10:05.42 | koen | hey LuitvD |
| 10:06.12 | LuitvD | after lunch, I'll try to set up an OE, bitbake and Angstrom env. |
| 10:06.14 | LuitvD | :) |
| 10:06.41 | LuitvD | doin' it on my 32-bit system... just to be sure |
| 10:56.55 | ao2 | \j #openembedded |
| 10:57.06 | ao2 | sorry |
| 11:07.12 | koen | ao2: I updated the a780 defconfig in OE to be more usefull |
| 11:07.39 | koen | the kernel now barely fits in flash :) |
| 11:07.59 | koen | but it does have kexec, so it can be used for ramdisks now |
| 11:08.34 | ao2 | so you want to completely forget the 2.4 stuff, eh? |
| 11:08.44 | koen | yes |
| 11:08.44 | ao2 | that's good |
| 11:10.22 | ao2 | ah koen I was trying to build kdrive 1.4.0 but 'bitbake -b ...' doen not keep track of dependencies, it there a way to build a specific version of the package without editing files? I do not find any info in OE faq |
| 11:10.27 | koen | the only thing I have 2.4 for is charging |
| 11:10.40 | koen | bitbake xserver-kdrive-1.4.0 |
| 11:11.11 | ao2 | silly me, the _ have to be turned to -, Is it documented anywhere? |
| 11:11.27 | koen | it's probably in the bitbake manual |
| 11:11.31 | koen | ao2: see http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-September/008696.html |
| 11:12.08 | ao2 | thanks (the english word I use most) |
| 11:46.13 | koen | mickey|away said he'd try to update neod for the a780 tomorrow |
| 12:03.04 | ZS-Man | Hi, please, how reposity feed I must set to ipkg config for "ipkg install openmoko"? Now I have clear angstrom-console-image in my A780 |
| 12:03.23 | koen | no setup needed |
| 12:03.28 | koen | all feeds are already there |
| 12:05.00 | koen | ZS-Man: you want to install stuff like: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?name=task-openmoko&arch=&action=search |
| 12:09.33 | ZS-Man | Ok, I must instal each of this packages? |
| 12:10.10 | LuitvD | so angstrom is really a system to gather software? |
| 12:11.23 | koen | LuitvD: it's distribution |
| 12:11.34 | koen | like redhat, ubuntu, debian, etc |
| 12:11.48 | LuitvD | so what is openmoko, compared to angstrom? |
| 12:12.05 | LuitvD | a distro too? |
| 12:12.26 | koen | openmoko is: a) a company b) a distro based on angstrom c) a GUI |
| 12:12.58 | LuitvD | thanks :) |
| 12:13.02 | LuitvD | now I get it :P |
| 12:13.41 | LuitvD | openmoko compared to angstrom, is like ubuntu compared to debian, right? |
| 12:13.52 | koen | sort of |
| 12:14.02 | koen | right now the only difference is the bootscreen |
| 12:14.07 | LuitvD | then what is OpenEmbedded? :P |
| 12:14.21 | koen | LuitvD: read http://www.openembedded.org/ |
| 12:14.27 | LuitvD | I've tried |
| 12:14.49 | LuitvD | a dev environment... |
| 12:14.52 | koen | "OpenEmbedded is a full-featured development environment allowing users to target a wide variety of devices. Supporting multiple build, release paths and configurations, OpenEmbedded extends the capabilities of your build and release engineers." |
| 12:15.16 | LuitvD | is it a bunch of info about every supported device? |
| 12:16.34 | koen | it's like gentoo's portage |
| 12:16.47 | LuitvD | riiiight... hm, I think I get it now... |
| 12:20.33 | LuitvD | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.34 | LuitvD | luitvd@LuitvD-PC:~/build/rokr/OE$ mtn --db=../OE.mtn checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev |
| 12:20.34 | LuitvD | mtn: misuse: layout of database /home/luitvd/build/rokr/OE.mtn doesn't match this version of monotone |
| 12:20.34 | LuitvD | mtn: misuse: wanted schema ae196843d368d042f475e3dadfed11e9d7f9f01e, got 48fd5d84f1e5a949ca093e87e5ac558da6e5956d |
| 12:20.34 | LuitvD | mtn: misuse: try 'mtn db migrate' to upgrade |
| 12:20.35 | LuitvD | mtn: misuse: (this is irreversible; you may want to make a backup copy first) |
| 12:20.38 | LuitvD | :( |
| 12:23.26 | LuitvD | should I upgrade monotone, or downgrade the database? |
| 12:29.42 | koen | have you looked at http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ ? |
| 12:30.09 | LuitvD | yeah |
| 12:30.22 | LuitvD | but should I use those, or just a newer monotone? |
| 12:30.33 | koen | and did you pick a snapshot that matches your monotone? |
| 12:30.38 | LuitvD | not yet |
| 12:30.54 | koen | *headdesk* |
| 12:31.13 | LuitvD | koen: but should I do that, or should I get monotone 0.35? |
| 12:31.28 | LuitvD | s/0.35/0.36/ |
| 12:32.15 | koen | .35 adn .36 are compatible |
| 12:32.50 | LuitvD | koen: but I have .31 |
| 12:33.04 | LuitvD | koen: does that matter? |
| 12:33.11 | koen | .31 is ancient |
| 12:33.26 | LuitvD | good, then I'm updating monotone to .36 |
| 12:33.40 | koen | but why don't you download http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.31.mtn.bz2 if you ahve mtn 0.31 installed? |
| 12:33.46 | koen | it's not rocket science |
| 12:34.08 | LuitvD | what's best? get an older OE snapshot, or get a newer monotone? |
| 12:34.19 | LuitvD | I want it done right at once XD |
| 12:34.20 | koen | the snapshots aren't older |
| 12:34.24 | ZS-Man | For "ipkg install task-openmoko-base" I get ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-base: matchbox-keyboard-im openmoko-terminal2 |
| 12:34.27 | koen | check the timestamps |
| 12:34.49 | koen | ZS-Man: -force-depends |
| 12:35.02 | LuitvD | koen: I mean get a different OE snapshot, or get the newest monotone |
| 12:35.17 | koen | practially that doesn't matter |
| 12:35.35 | LuitvD | good, then I'll stick to the Ubuntu-supplied monotone |
| 12:43.41 | koen | stefan_schmidt: no instabilities with 48 mb ram |
| 12:44.01 | koen | stefan_schmidt: openmoko-feedreader2 works well inside 48MB :) |
| 12:45.01 | stefan_schmidt | koen: good to know. |
| 12:45.10 | stefan_schmidt | koen: I also approved your mails to the ml. |
| 12:45.35 | koen | I'm in the middle of switching email addresses, so I screw up once in a while |
| 12:46.18 | LuitvD | lol |
| 12:46.46 | stefan_schmidt | koen: np, it just takes a while sometimes until I have time to approve |
| 12:47.20 | koen | As soon as I got the bounce I resent them :) |
| 12:48.33 | stefan_schmidt | koen: So I just delete stuff from you in the future? |
| 12:48.56 | koen | yes |
| 12:49.41 | stefan_schmidt | fine |
| 12:50.22 | koen | the a780 defconfig in OE now has nfsroot |
| 12:50.34 | koen | took me w awhile to figure out why nfsroot didn't work |
| 12:52.10 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Sounds like we should resync it. |
| 12:53.07 | stefan_schmidt | But today is weekend. Need a bit spare time for me. |
| 12:54.40 | LuitvD | so what MACHINE= do I set for my ROKR E6? |
| 12:56.49 | LuitvD | and what DISTRO= ? |
| 12:58.42 | koen | LuitvD: follow http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom |
| 12:58.52 | LuitvD | koen: yeah, but what MACHINE do I use? |
| 12:59.03 | LuitvD | koen: it's not listed there:P |
| 12:59.05 | koen | rokre6 |
| 12:59.10 | LuitvD | okay |
| 13:05.42 | LuitvD | mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in |
| 13:05.42 | LuitvD | mtn: 9.5 k | 8.0 k | 3/5 | 1/2 |
| 13:05.47 | LuitvD | always takes that long? |
| 13:13.25 | koen | LuitvD: it's a good idea to do 'mtn pull && mtnup' before reporting a bug :) |
| 13:13.38 | LuitvD | :P |
| 13:13.52 | LuitvD | i'm doing mtn pull but this is where it freezes |
| 13:14.37 | LuitvD | by the way, I cleaned up a wiki page... |
| 13:15.19 | LuitvD | the wiki really needs something to stop those bots |
| 13:16.27 | LuitvD | mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting |
| 13:16.30 | LuitvD | :( |
| 13:18.13 | LuitvD | never mind, it works again... |
| 13:19.10 | LuitvD | so now what do I do? bitbake angstrom-minimal-image? |
| 13:19.15 | LuitvD | and try to flash that? |
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| 14:17.13 | LuitvD | and this building takes like... 5 hours? :PO |
| 14:17.55 | koen | the first build |
| 14:18.03 | koen | after that it's incremental |
| 14:18.18 | koen | add INHERIT += "rm_work" to your local.conf to save diskspace |
| 14:18.42 | LuitvD | oh, I really do not care about disk space |
| 14:18.57 | LuitvD | still have 500 gigabytes of free diskspace |
| 14:19.36 | LuitvD | the compiling is somewhat multithreaded-optimized, right? |
| 14:20.10 | LuitvD | I regularly see my CPU load going to double 100%... |
| 14:20.15 | koen | yes |
| 14:20.20 | LuitvD | that's nice :) |
| 14:20.35 | koen | you can specify the number of parallel build and number of parallel compiles |
| 14:20.42 | LuitvD | I guess this is the first time I really usefully used dual-core :P |
| 14:20.57 | koen | PARALLEL_MAKE="-j2" |
| 14:20.57 | LuitvD | I have one game that uses multiple threads |
| 14:20.58 | koen | BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "3" |
| 14:21.10 | koen | 3 parallel builds, 2 parallel compiles |
| 14:21.23 | koen | so max 6 gcc instances running |
| 14:21.27 | LuitvD | and still it sometimes stalls to 1 parallel build :P |
| 14:21.37 | LuitvD | right now only one is running... |
| 14:21.59 | LuitvD | or is that BB and make running at the same time, when my load goes up to double? |
| 14:23.37 | LuitvD | I have PARALLEL_MAKE="-j4" |
| 14:23.46 | LuitvD | and BB_NUMBER_THREADS="2" |
| 14:24.03 | LuitvD | 'coz that's what that guide made me do :P |
| 14:27.12 | koen | in the first stages of the build the graph is fairly narrow |
| 14:27.26 | koen | almost everything is waiting on glibc and gcc to be compiled |
| 14:32.00 | LuitvD | full throttle again :D |
| 14:32.13 | LuitvD | I mean... full potential :) |
| 14:32.21 | LuitvD | throttling CPU ain't fun |
| 14:33.06 | LuitvD | 50 degrees centigrade during compilation... nearly passive cooling :D |
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| 14:45.25 | stefan_schmidt | To much frustration: https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/discussion/do/listPosts/projects.sitewide/discussion.opensource_feedback.topc1550 |
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| 14:50.07 | koen | stefan_schmidt: big companies are a pain |
| 14:51.09 | stefan_schmidt | koen: I know. Even in OpenMoko Inc. I can see such frustrations and we are tiny in comparison. |
| 14:51.55 | stefan_schmidt | koen: It's just that they _never_ showed _anything_ that would help us more. So why I should trust them that that will change? |
| 14:52.27 | stefan_schmidt | I still need to find out if MOTOMAGX is the name-of-the-day for the Java on Linux idea |
| 14:53.30 | koen | JUIX == MAGX? |
| 14:54.11 | stefan_schmidt | koen: That's what I guess. If they would not change the name every month it would be easier to track. ;) |
| 14:55.22 | stefan_schmidt | Once we know on which phones it runs, alphaone or me will perhaps buy one in .tw, if they are already available. |
| 14:56.11 | stefan_schmidt | Seems Z6 and V8 |
| 14:58.23 | stefan_schmidt | "MOTOMAGX enables consumers to personalize their phone experience with rich Java and soon, Mobile Web 2.0 applications and services on their phones" |
| 14:58.27 | stefan_schmidt | aaaarrrrgggghhhh |
| 15:00.48 | alphaone | yay! :-) |
| 15:00.51 | stefan_schmidt | No more interest in this today. Time to read a book. |
| 15:00.52 | alphaone | morning |
| 15:00.56 | stefan_schmidt | hi alexzhang |
| 15:00.59 | stefan_schmidt | hi alphaone |
| 15:01.18 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: I'm pretty positive I'll get a MOTOMAGX |
| 15:01.24 | koen | http://lists.openezx.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2007-September/001467.html |
| 15:01.33 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Didn't you want to get an A1200? |
| 15:01.42 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: MOTOROKR Z6 and MOTORAZR2 V8 are running the new stuff. If you like you can dig out if they are already available in .tw |
| 15:02.01 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: I know |
| 15:02.04 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Yeah, I still prefer A1200 |
| 15:02.21 | koen | I'd like to trade my a780 for one with gps :) |
| 15:02.27 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Just would buy one if you would not go for one of the new ones. |
| 15:02.33 | alphaone | Already informed myself :-) And it seems they are available in germany, too |
| 15:02.37 | alphaone | on ebay |
| 15:02.59 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, ok |
| 15:03.05 | stefan_schmidt | koen: :) |
| 15:03.17 | alphaone | But I want to see if I can get them cheaper over there... |
| 15:03.27 | koen | my current a780 is uebercool because it has an o-hand sticker |
| 15:03.29 | stefan_schmidt | koen: But the GPS sucks. 10min for a fix, very low battery time with GPS on... |
| 15:03.41 | stefan_schmidt | koen: heh |
| 15:04.44 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: If they are cheap I perhaps will go for one of them, too. |
| 15:05.03 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, frustration level reached. Time for a book. CU later folks |
| 15:05.10 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Your phones are getting lonely again? |
| 15:05.12 | koen | tschuss |
| 15:05.17 | alphaone | bye |
| 15:05.21 | LuitvD | later |
| 15:05.29 | LuitvD | hmm, is the Z8 EZX based? |
| 15:05.35 | LuitvD | it runs Symbian OS :( |
| 15:05.52 | koen | as long as boot_usb works :) |
| 15:06.01 | LuitvD | :P |
| 15:06.28 | LuitvD | I guess they couldn't get a Linux distro with HSDPA support ... |
| 15:10.51 | LuitvD | bah, Moto is being stupid... |
| 15:11.04 | LuitvD | (just read the posts there) |
| 15:12.12 | LuitvD | aaargh, this compiling takes a long time :P |
| 15:15.08 | alexzhang | hi, stefan_schmidt. glad to see u |
| 15:15.17 | alexzhang | :) |
| 15:15.54 | LuitvD | he just said "Time for a book. CU later folks", so I think he's off ;) |
| 15:16.15 | SuN | Someone drastically needs to sue Motorola. |
| 15:16.40 | SuN | How does that work though, if say, someone would want to sue them for not releasing kernel source? |
| 15:16.56 | SuN | I'm not a copyright holder, but the license grants me the source. |
| 15:17.12 | LuitvD | first you need to tell them they are doing stupid stuff |
| 15:17.18 | LuitvD | but that part has already been done :) |
| 15:17.29 | SuN | Yes, more than a MILLION times. |
| 15:17.41 | LuitvD | (by the majority of people actively working on this project, and many projects around) |
| 15:18.00 | SuN | In my opinion, it's going to have to cost them money so they finally realize they can't mess around any longer. |
| 15:18.36 | LuitvD | no messin' with the GPL :P |
| 15:19.38 | SuN | There is still no kernel source for E6, and they're not going to release it, because the product is practically EOL. |
| 15:19.51 | alexzhang | koen: can you send/receive sms and call phone using openmoko on A780?? I see you have said goodbye with motocrap 2.4? ;) |
| 15:20.00 | LuitvD | SuN: which really sucks for us :P |
| 15:20.02 | SuN | This Guy Martin's only job is to make up excuses for them not giving out source. |
| 15:20.12 | LuitvD | yeah |
| 15:20.13 | koen | AFAIK violating GPL means there is no license on the source they used, so it reverts to copyright |
| 15:20.18 | SuN | I'd hate to have his job, though. |
| 15:20.26 | koen | so they need something of yours for you to be able to sue |
| 15:20.48 | SuN | Yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 15:21.01 | koen | alexzhang: the moto and neo are my toy phones, so I don't need phoncalls and sms ;) |
| 15:21.26 | SuN | Some organisation like EFF should add some bogus code to the kernel so they become copyright holder and can sue. |
| 15:21.56 | LuitvD | SuN: that's not really possible |
| 15:21.58 | koen | that's why GNU demands you sign away copyright |
| 15:22.10 | koen | (which you is 'illegal' in some countries) |
| 15:22.31 | SuN | But if the GPL is invalid, what remains is normal copyright. |
| 15:22.38 | alexzhang | koen: OK! but I still hope one day we can do these things on motorola's phones, I hope that can come in soon ;) |
| 15:23.10 | SuN | So if some organisation obtains copyright (this can be done!) on vital parts of the kernel, that organization can start sueing. |
| 15:23.18 | LuitvD | alexzhang: what EZX device did you own? |
| 15:23.27 | alexzhang | A1200E |
| 15:23.45 | LuitvD | SuN: but Moto uses a 2.4 kernel... |
| 15:23.54 | LuitvD | SuN: an old branch... |
| 15:24.00 | SuN | LuitvD: well, this would only work for future releases, of course. |
| 15:24.06 | LuitvD | yeah |
| 15:24.19 | LuitvD | it wouldn't get us any farther with the E6 |
| 15:24.21 | SuN | BUT parts of the copyright on 2.4 could be transferred as well. |
| 15:24.33 | SuN | The people that wrote the code for 2.4 still own the copyright. |
| 15:24.49 | SuN | But they don't care enough or are unable to take on a company like Motorola. |
| 15:25.00 | LuitvD | damn, I've been generating locales for half an hour now :( |
| 15:25.03 | koen | didn't harald sue moto in the past? |
| 15:25.04 | SuN | So if you get some crucial figures to transfer their copyright... |
| 15:25.32 | SuN | koen: not sure, but he's in a great position because pretty much all kernels contain iptables and he holds copyright on that. |
| 15:25.33 | LuitvD | koen: he did sue something, that's for sure :P |
| 15:25.45 | LuitvD | koen: don't know exactly what it was... |
| 15:25.52 | SuN | But I doubt he has time to pursue a legal career right now. |
| 15:26.10 | LuitvD | :D |
| 15:26.28 | SuN | Nah, we just need him to transfer his copyright :) |
| 15:26.31 | LuitvD | a world full of welte :P |
| 15:26.38 | SuN | I heard it can be anally removed! |
| 15:26.49 | SuN | Anyone know at which times he sleeps? |
| 15:27.17 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 15:29.02 | alexzhang | why harald does not join #openezx now? we miss him so much! LOL |
| 15:29.30 | koen | he's too busy importing taiwanese stuff into taiwan via germany |
| 15:29.38 | SuN | He's limiting information input sources to prevent brain meltdown, I guess. |
| 15:29.45 | SuN | Hah, seriously? |
| 15:30.09 | SuN | I can't believe he let himself be turned into a shipping agent. |
| 15:31.12 | alexzhang | stenfan_schmidt: are you in .TW or germany now? |
| 15:31.23 | koen | SuN: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/28#20070628-openmoko_update for example |
| 15:38.26 | alexzhang | bye, everyone! :) |
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| 15:47.10 | LuitvD | yaaay ,build complete :D |
| 15:48.54 | LuitvD | so where's my image and filesystem after I do "bitbake angstrom-minimal-image" ? |
| 15:50.38 | koen | tmp/deploy/glibc/images/ |
| 15:55.11 | SuN | With three contractual agreements designated ?Fiduciary Licensing Agreements?, the exclusive rights to copy, |
| 15:55.11 | SuN | to distribute, and of public display, as well as the right to allow a third party to undertake modifications in the |
| 15:55.11 | SuN | programs, were transferred for three software programs to Plaintiff: Mr. Werner Almesberger, who is an |
| 15:55.11 | SuN | Austrian citizen, transferred these rights to Plaintiff for the software ?msdosfs? on December 12, 2004 (Annex |
| 15:55.12 | SuN | K5) and for the software ?initrd? on September 28, 2004 (Annex K7). On November 11, 2004, Mr. David |
| 15:55.14 | SuN | Woodhouse, a UK citizen, transferred these rights to the Plaintiff for the software ?mtd? (Annex K9). |
| 15:55.17 | SuN | Woops sorry, bigger than I thought. |
| 15:56.30 | SuN | Anyway, in that particular case, copyright of some crucial parts was transferred to the guy actually making the case. |
| 15:57.13 | SuN | Does anyone know a Chinese lawyer? :D |
| 15:57.22 | LuitvD | :P |
| 15:59.11 | LuitvD | let's try to boot something :) |
| 15:59.30 | LuitvD | boot_usb is completely safe, right? :P |
| 16:00.26 | ao2 | yes, LuitvD, unless you boot something nasty :) |
| 16:00.41 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 16:00.49 | LuitvD | something that deletes everything :P |
| 16:01.41 | LuitvD | hmm, my phone just turns off after I flash... |
| 16:03.11 | LuitvD | the boot loader shows "82 3F" (on two seperate lines) and the device shuts down :( |
| 16:03.56 | ao2 | I think someone tested boot_usb with e6, let me check the ml archive |
| 16:04.11 | LuitvD | pmarques |
| 16:04.18 | LuitvD | he booted his own kernel on an e6 |
| 16:05.41 | SuN | Ahh, for a second there I thought you turned into food. |
| 16:08.32 | ao2 | yes LuitvD[eating] the thread is this one: https://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2007-May/001192.html and you can also read http://wiki.openezx.org/Kernel_hacking_-_linux-2.6 now that youe OE is setup |
| 16:28.32 | ssvb | Hello, what do you think, is it worth buying A1200 or ROKR E6 phone just for developing and benchmarking some xscale/iwmmx optimized code? Does default motorola firmware allow running some test code from ssh session? I'm a bit worried about the information from this wiki page: http://wiki.openezx.org/Rokr_E6 (it does not list iwmmxt in the list of supported features). Is iwmmxt suppored by that legacy kernel? |
| 16:33.20 | ao2 | ssvb, AFAIK E6 also have iwmmxt, and the original firmware should allow running custom binaries with some hack (like linloader + an ssh server). If it is really worth it, I do not know, but you could also help with OpenEZX if you get E6 or A1200 :) |
| 16:35.57 | ssvb | ao2: yes, that's - get :) the xscale something to play with |
| 16:36.36 | ssvb | ao2: I mean, that's what I'm planning |
| 16:41.50 | ssvb | ao2: what do you think, is the goal of getting a free firmware for these phones possible before they really become EOL and motorola stops manufacturing them? |
| 16:45.47 | koen | afaik iwmmxt is supported on the stock firmware |
| 16:46.05 | koen | but on the a1200 the 2.6 kernel is close to working |
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| 17:20.29 | LuitvD | what do I do now? I built angstrom-minimal-image, but it ain't running... |
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| 17:28.01 | ao2 | LuitvD, maybe it is just too early for userpace on E6? |
| 17:28.11 | LuitvD | err... |
| 17:28.17 | LuitvD | I'm only trying the kernel... |
| 17:28.22 | LuitvD | the kernel won't work |
| 17:29.02 | LuitvD | the bootloader receives all the information, it shouts "82 3F" on the screen, and then shuts down |
| 17:29.10 | ao2 | try to compile it by hand the first time |
| 17:29.17 | ao2 | http://wiki.openezx.org/Kernel_hacking_-_linux-2.6 |
| 17:29.32 | ao2 | applying only ezx-core.patch |
| 17:29.36 | LuitvD | I'm trying with those new defconfig's first |
| 17:29.42 | koen | with 'by hand' he means 'edit SRC_URI' |
| 17:31.06 | ao2 | :) hmm, I meant from cli |
| 17:31.13 | LuitvD | koen: you updated the defconfig for e6 just a while ago, right? |
| 17:31.56 | LuitvD | when I "mtn update"-d a minute ago, I received a new one :P |
| 17:32.14 | koen | ao2: I know, but editing SRC_URI is way easier for regular people :) |
| 17:32.22 | koen | ao2: btw: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/pxafb-18bpp-mode.patch |
| 17:34.31 | LuitvD | lol, never knew gEdit has a Diff highlight mode :P |
| 17:35.47 | ao2 | koen, we will add the 18bpp patch also to our svn |
| 17:40.43 | ao2 | koen, please can you suggest us also a quick way to disable the logo in a kernel .bb ? via cmdline? |
| 17:42.07 | koen | delete the logo fron SRC_URI |
| 17:42.14 | koen | from* |
| 17:42.35 | koen | the do_configure has a check for it and won't activate it if the logo is missing |
| 17:42.52 | koen | I didn't like the 1 one for debug either :) |
| 17:43.09 | ao2 | neat |
| 17:43.11 | koen | one of the reasons I rewrote the recipe to use linux.inc |
| 17:43.22 | koen | it does activate the default logo |
| 17:43.51 | koen | which is small enough to leave debug on the screen |
| 17:47.19 | ao2 | so LuitvD you already got it, comment every line in org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-ezx_2.6.21.bb except the ezx-core one and rebuild virtual/kernel |
| 17:47.39 | LuitvD | :P |
| 17:47.42 | ao2 | every line about SRC_URI |
| 17:48.02 | LuitvD | i'm gonna try a new build first |
| 17:48.07 | LuitvD | with that new defconfig |
| 17:48.21 | ao2 | it will use it anyway |
| 18:04.13 | koen | ao2: what do you thing of applying only ezx-core for !a780 !a1200 !e680? |
| 18:05.27 | ao2 | yes, and keep out the logo for everyone for the time being |
| 18:10.09 | LuitvD | all I have to do for now is build and test and build again, and test again? |
| 18:11.04 | LuitvD | I can't really develop yet... |
| 18:11.12 | ao2 | perfectly fine |
| 18:11.40 | LuitvD | by the way, was the SD card driver fixed already? |
| 18:11.55 | LuitvD | or do I need to test with nfsroot first? |
| 18:12.20 | ao2 | on A1200 it does not kork yet, so I gess for E6 it is the same, yes go with nfsroot |
| 18:13.18 | LuitvD | I know an A1200 can brick, but how can you (k/c)ork it? :P |
| 18:13.32 | LuitvD | on which devices do the SD/TF cards work then? |
| 18:13.45 | LuitvD | only the E680 and A780? |
| 18:16.37 | ao2 | yes |
| 18:17.52 | ao2 | koen, kdrive 1.4 + evdev + --enable-xkb + a little patch I still have to code will enable us to use every key on our a780 |
| 18:19.05 | ao2 | more details on openezx-devel later, now it's time for Heroes (the tv serie) |
| 18:21.29 | SuN | Are the new episodes already starting? |
| 18:21.40 | SuN | Or are you watching reruns? :) |
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| 18:23.32 | ao2 | first season for the first time on Italian free tv |
| 18:24.10 | SuN | Oh, alright. |
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| 18:28.10 | koen | same here in .nl, season 1 |
| 18:29.39 | SuN | I should check my fav series, summer break should be over soon for most of them. |
| 18:33.09 | LuitvD | Heroes is a great tv series :P |
| 18:34.09 | LuitvD | I'm watching more movies lately... I hate too long series |
| 18:38.51 | SuN | I hate it when they keep stretching things. |
| 18:38.54 | SuN | E.g. Prison Break |
| 18:39.23 | SuN | But I like the fact that series are usually 40 or 50 minutes compared to 2 hours for a movie. |
| 18:40.10 | LuitvD | I like it when the episodes don't really interconnect |
| 18:40.17 | LuitvD | like in That's 70s Show |
| 18:40.34 | LuitvD | or Family Guy and Southpark, for that matter |
| 18:40.50 | SuN | I like Family Guy. |
| 18:41.15 | LuitvD | me too |
| 18:41.54 | LuitvD | the characters are just wonderful :P |
| 18:46.04 | LuitvD | SuN: what phone plan do you have? |
| 18:46.14 | SuN | E6 |
| 18:46.16 | SuN | Oh |
| 18:46.24 | SuN | Hi SimOnly 10 |
| 18:46.32 | SuN | And Eindeloos Online |
| 18:48.31 | SuN | With student discount, I pay 8 euros for 120 min /240 sms / 120 mms and another 9.95 for the internet. |
| 18:49.25 | LuitvD | do you call that much then |
| 18:49.26 | LuitvD | ? |
| 18:49.42 | SuN | No, but it's pretty much the cheapest you can get :) |
| 18:50.03 | LuitvD | there's Hi SimOnly 7,50 ... |
| 18:50.11 | LuitvD | that's only 6 euro's |
| 18:50.20 | SuN | Yeah, but there was something weird about that. |
| 18:50.32 | SuN | Either the discount didn't apply or the internet wasn't possible with that. |
| 18:52.32 | LuitvD | I couldn't select Hi Eindeloos Online with any of the Student Discount Sim Only plans |
| 18:53.11 | SuN | I called the customer service for the internet plan after I got the normal plan. |
| 18:53.27 | LuitvD | with the Hi SimOnly 7,50 you can get Eindeloos online... |
| 18:53.30 | SuN | Which worked, however, they're still charging me for data usage, which is something I need to get cleared up and is not normal. |
| 18:53.42 | LuitvD | with the student discount one you should be able to get it too |
| 18:54.05 | SuN | Possibly. Maybe the store couldn't handle it. |
| 18:54.12 | LuitvD | anyhow... |
| 18:54.13 | SuN | But 75 mins is a little tight anyway. |
| 18:54.23 | LuitvD | I'm getting a LowCall plan :P |
| 18:54.36 | LuitvD | it's not really prepay, and it isn't a monthly plan either |
| 18:55.45 | LuitvD | no monthly costs, 14ct/min to landlines, mobile phones and voicemail, 7ct/min for OnNet calling, and 7ct/SMS |
| 18:56.19 | LuitvD | and the internet is €1,50/MB |
| 18:56.58 | LuitvD | registering is €10, for which you'll get €10 discount on your first costs |
| 18:57.09 | LuitvD | so essentially it's for free :P |
| 18:57.17 | LuitvD | no connection fee |
| 18:57.24 | SuN | Hm, that wouldn't work for me, but if you really don't call at all, it's reasonable. |
| 18:57.36 | koen | drat, the pxafb patch doesn't apply |
| 18:58.45 | SuN | Even if I only use half of my minutes, I'd pay slightly less. |
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| 19:04.21 | LuitvD | you have 8ct/minute and 3,2ct/sms now... |
| 19:04.39 | LuitvD | err, 6,4ct/minute |
| 19:06.49 | LuitvD | so after an hour of calling or 115 text messages (or anything in between) you're cheaper. |
| 19:07.17 | LuitvD | but you can use more then 6MB for 10 euro's and I can't :P |
| 19:09.35 | LuitvD | damn, compiling all of GPE now... :( |
| 19:11.20 | SuN | I can safely say that casual internet usage is enough to make it worth 9.95/month, since my last 2 phone bills both had about EUR 40 worth of data traffic. |
| 19:11.29 | SuN | Have to call the idiots tomorrow. |
| 19:11.51 | SuN | They had better fix it soon, I've already called about it a month ago. |
| 19:11.52 | LuitvD | :P |
| 19:12.09 | LuitvD | I'll see for myself :P |
| 19:12.21 | SuN | I try to stay nice and that usually works, but they're about to meet my dark side. |
| 19:12.45 | LuitvD | if my costs at LowCall rise over 15 euro for too many months, I'll consider Hi or T-Mobile |
| 19:12.56 | SuN | Which network do they use? |
| 19:13.01 | LuitvD | LowCall? |
| 19:13.07 | SuN | Yeah |
| 19:13.11 | LuitvD | it's Debitel which is KPN, I guess |
| 19:13.24 | SuN | Debitel uses different networks, I think. |
| 19:13.29 | LuitvD | yeah |
| 19:13.30 | SuN | But KPN is a possibility. |
| 19:13.37 | LuitvD | but KPN is most likely |
| 19:13.37 | SuN | I'd check that out, though. |
| 19:13.40 | LuitvD | it's the cheapest |
| 19:13.42 | SuN | Before you get Orange. |
| 19:13.49 | LuitvD | hehehe, I have orange right now |
| 19:13.51 | LuitvD | prepay |
| 19:13.53 | LuitvD | it SUCKS |
| 19:13.58 | SuN | No shit :D |
| 19:14.14 | LuitvD | fair reception, but they're theives |
| 19:14.15 | SuN | I've stayed away from Orange, though, so I can't say I have any experience. |
| 19:14.21 | SuN | But you hear things... |
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| 19:15.14 | LuitvD | their GSM network is better then their ADSL Internet network |
| 19:15.32 | LuitvD | (which we have here, unfortunately... ) |
| 19:15.36 | SuN | KPN is monopolist here. |
| 19:15.46 | LuitvD | we're about to switch to BBned ... |
| 19:15.53 | LuitvD | either BBned or Speedlinq |
| 19:15.57 | SuN | Which isn't a bad thing, as far as speed is concerned. But it is as far as price is concerned. |
| 19:16.03 | LuitvD | lol |
| 19:16.05 | ZS-Man | Ok Koen, thanks for help, now I have console-image + task-openmoko-* instaled and openmoko running. But with too small font. How I may increase it? |
| 19:16.11 | LuitvD | SuN: we can choose about everything here |
| 19:16.33 | SuN | I can have KPN or high-latency 1GB limited satellite access here. |
| 19:16.38 | SuN | So the choice is obvious :) |
| 19:17.00 | LuitvD | SuN: and what do you call high-latency? above 100ms? |
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| 19:17.09 | SuN | 500ms range |
| 19:17.14 | LuitvD | :S |
| 19:17.15 | LuitvD | darn |
| 19:17.19 | LuitvD | that ís low |
| 19:17.37 | LuitvD | but orange ADSL is low latency too... :( |
| 19:17.50 | SuN | High, you mean? |
| 19:17.59 | LuitvD | yeah, high |
| 19:18.03 | LuitvD | way too high |
| 19:18.15 | SuN | Well, it's a technical thing. The signal has to go up to the satellite and then back again. |
| 19:18.21 | SuN | Orange, however, has no excuse. |
| 19:18.27 | flo_lap | hi all |
| 19:18.33 | SuN | Hi flo_lap |
| 19:18.37 | LuitvD | the Livebox takes at least 10 msec, and between our house and the Internet, another 20 msec is added |
| 19:19.22 | LuitvD | but those 20msec are 50msec when our provider has a bad day (which is about 3 days a week) |
| 19:19.31 | LuitvD | so our latency never drops below 30ms |
| 19:19.41 | LuitvD | and is 50ms most of the time |
| 19:21.15 | LuitvD | my IRC server lag is 0.2 sec right now :S |
| 19:21.31 | LuitvD | (so it's between 150ms and 249ms) |
| 19:48.00 | LuitvD | koen: so how and where do I edit things to get my kernel working? |
| 20:15.45 | LuitvD | koen: ?? |
| 20:21.04 | LuitvD | ao2: maybe you can help? |
| 20:21.24 | LuitvD | ao2: how do I rebuild the kernel after I've changed the .bb file? |
| 20:22.30 | ZS-Man | LuitvD: bitbake -i |
| 20:22.38 | LuitvD | bitbake -i? |
| 20:22.40 | ZS-Man | rebuild virtual/kernel |
| 20:23.11 | LuitvD | right... |
| 20:23.29 | LuitvD | I just type that, and it works? |
| 20:25.17 | ZS-Man | bitbake -i is interactive mode |
| 20:25.39 | LuitvD | thanks ZS-Man |
| 20:25.47 | LuitvD | what device do you own? |
| 20:26.07 | ZS-Man | a780 |
| 20:27.19 | LuitvD | hmm, do you know which patches the E6 needs? |
| 20:28.42 | ZS-Man | sorry, I do not know. I am not developer....... |
| 20:29.12 | ZS-Man | I go sleep..... bye |
| 20:30.20 | koen | LuitvD: remove every ;patch=1 entry from SRC_URI, except the exz-core one |
| 20:30.37 | LuitvD | koen: done that now :) |
| 20:30.48 | LuitvD | recompiling |
| 20:32.43 | koen | and from this point I would be just repeating things I heard on the mailinglist :) |
| 20:32.54 | LuitvD | lol |
| 20:32.58 | LuitvD | which mailinglist? |
| 20:33.15 | LuitvD | should I subscribe? |
| 20:39.09 | koen | openezx-devel |
| 20:47.04 | LuitvD | koen: strange thing is that boot_usb stops ... |
| 20:47.19 | LuitvD | it stops doing anything, but it doesn't shut down |
| 20:47.27 | koen | no idea on that |
| 20:47.40 | koen | I used bootusb for the first time yesterday |
| 20:50.40 | LuitvD | heheh |
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| 20:50.58 | LuitvD | what did you use before that then? the FIC Neo stuff? |
| 20:52.12 | koen | I didn't use my a780 at all |
| 20:54.07 | LuitvD | koen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46466319@N00/1352354586/ |
| 20:54.10 | LuitvD | :) |
| 20:54.29 | LuitvD | that's what the kernel on the openezx.org frontpage does to my phone :D |
| 20:56.13 | LuitvD | hmm, the kernel I just rebuilt seems to do exactly the same :( |
| 20:57.57 | koen | post your progress to the mailinglist cross your fingers for daniel to reply |
| 20:58.05 | LuitvD | yeah :P |
| 20:58.09 | LuitvD | where is he anyways? |
| 20:58.14 | koen | brazil |
| 20:58.18 | LuitvD | haven't seen him in days... |
| 20:58.33 | LuitvD | he doesn't IRC at work anymore I guess :P |
| 20:59.04 | LuitvD | welterusten koen |
| 22:09.18 | LuitvD | I'm gone |
| 22:09.25 | LuitvD | I'll be back tomorrow |
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| 23:39.47 | drWyrM | Hi. |
| 23:47.13 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: wyrm * r2048 /trunk/src/userspace/ezxd/ (Makefile clock.c ezxd.conf log.c pm.c): |
| 23:47.13 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * set AP clock from BP info |
| 23:47.13 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * power button event, and shutdown |
| 23:47.13 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * log plugin |
| 23:52.18 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: wyrm * r2049 /trunk/src/host/boot_usb/ (Makefile boot_usb.c): |
| 23:52.18 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: (this commit breaks OE. boot_usb now depends on kernel-headers) |
| 23:52.19 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * Faster througput, please report if it breaks kernel upload on your |
| 23:52.19 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: machine. |
| 23:52.19 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * Less verbose |
| 23:52.19 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * Boot_params support (cmdline and initrd tags) |
| 23:55.24 | drWyrM | stefan_schmidt, Have you created an svn account for Alex? Could you please create it if you havent yet? |