IRC log for #openezx on 20070908

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07:51.04bambamok, so in here
07:51.31bambamkoen: so there's no way boot-usb will work any more?
07:53.40koenI have no idea
07:53.46koenthat's why I said to ask here :)
07:54.28bambamok
07:55.29bambamso has anyone succesfully booted(boot-usb) his phone (a780) with OM build from OE the last days?
08:04.50Hopscotchgood morning
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08:43.17noopoo
09:03.55ao2koen, some problem in updating OE here, rev b6d3200d932c1e277015164a4e83ea009d96872f has some conflicts about ezxd
09:04.32koenblame stefan_schmidt :)
09:04.52koenor remove your local copy of ezxd
09:06.19ao2let's do the second first and second the first :)
09:08.40noopany process on E6?
09:10.59ao2noop, LuitvD owns an E6, I do not know if he tried openezx on it yet
09:11.36noopI buy an E6 for openezx . :D
09:11.43noopI got it yestoday~
09:12.54ao2good, so you can start experimenting, get patches from our svn, apply only the ezx-core.patch and give it a try, if it boots you can incrementally add patches one by one and report your success
09:13.29noopokay. work now.
09:49.43stefan_schmidtao2: hmm, is this fixed now? I just removed opentapi. Koen added ezxd and you wrote the recipe. So you can blame each other. ;)
09:49.59stefan_schmidtao2: Just kidding. Is it fixed after removing your local copy?
09:50.34koenI misread 'ezxd' for 'opentapi'
09:50.47koenso you'd have to blame me :)
09:58.00stefan_schmidtkoen: heh
09:58.25ao2yes, now it is fixed, I removed the local copy, mtn --revert missing, and update
09:59.10ao2thanks
09:59.41koenfor which devices does the asoc driver work?
09:59.58koenI only enabled it in the a780 defconfig in OE
10:00.12stefan_schmidtkoen: I tested A780 and Alex Zhang reported it works on A1200
10:00.48koenbut the a1200 needs an extra set of patches, right?
10:01.01koene.g. pcap and kdriver 18 bit
10:01.31ao2yes
10:01.40stefan_schmidtkoen: With the one Alex posted to the list once I was able to make nfs root working
10:02.15stefan_schmidtkoen: The only reason I don't updated our svn with it was that wyrm has this and some stuff depending on it in a local queue
10:02.29stefan_schmidtHe promised to commit this over this weekend
10:03.39stefan_schmidtao2: In the end he just tells us that for EZX nothing will change.
10:04.15stefan_schmidtao2: And somehow I doubt that it will become better for the MOTOMAGX stuff. But only future will tell.
10:04.30stefan_schmidtSome context for other people: https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/discussion/do/listPosts/projects.sitewide/discussion.opensource_feedback.topc1550
10:05.34ao2yes stefan_schmidt, EzX seems to be the past :) (don't tell them we can run openmoko)
10:06.18LuitvDao2: what does noop want to know? how to flash it?
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10:06.45noopno
10:06.45stefan_schmidtao2: Not that it would be a secret that we work on a complete free stack. :)
10:06.52noopI wanna help develop openezx
10:07.03stefan_schmidtnoop: That's always good. :)
10:07.33noop:D
10:07.53stefan_schmidtao2: In the end we are in the same position as before. Get it running without vendor help.
10:08.10ao2stefan_schmidt, a bit of bitter sarcasm I did :)
10:08.23stefan_schmidtao2: yeah
10:08.34LuitvDnoop: ah, and you own an E6 too?
10:08.54noopLuitvD, yep, I got it yestoday
10:08.55koenwhere on the wiki can I get info in how to flash a kernel?
10:09.55ao2I also tried an allusion to getting some official info about JTAG, but I do not hope in that either
10:10.11koenanyone?
10:10.18stefan_schmidtkoen: moment
10:11.02koenhttp://wiki.openezx.org/Flash_kernel_image looks a bit suspicous
10:11.05LuitvDI'm still in for completely precompiled kernel packages that need testing on E6... I can't compile/build them myself yet :P
10:11.06stefan_schmidtao2: I'm pretty sure there will come nothing new from them. Just intermediate words on a public internet forum
10:11.31stefan_schmidtkoen: That's one method.
10:11.49koenI'm looking for the other method :)
10:12.05stefan_schmidtkoen: Another one is to boot with boot_usb and flash a kernel to /dev/mtd* from this running linux system
10:12.21stefan_schmidtkoen: And the third one is ezxflash from the svn
10:12.37noopLuitvD, what u have done now?
10:12.49ao2some info here too, http://moto4lin.sourceforge.net/wiki/FlashingEZX anyway it is documented in blob2 README
10:13.01LuitvDnoop: nothing :) I have a MOTOROKR E6, and the boot_usb program
10:13.15LuitvDnoop: I haven't tried to set up the OE environment yet
10:13.34LuitvD[gone]bbl
10:13.42noopbb
10:14.15koenstefan_schmidt: so boot with boot_usb from TF, dd a the kernel into mtdblock4
10:15.02stefan_schmidtkoen: rather using mdt-utils, but yes. NOt sure about the right device number offhand
10:18.36stefan_schmidtkoen: btw, Xora contagioned you with building LEGO? ;)
10:18.45koen:D
10:27.41koendoes the a780 use 48mb or 32mb?
10:28.11koenah, 48mb
10:28.32stefan_schmidtkoen: Depends on what cmdline you use. You have the set the address of the second chip to get the full 48MB
10:28.47koenthe kernel recipe in OE sets it to 48mb
10:29.19noopwhat should I do if the flashing failed ?
10:29.22stefan_schmidtkoen: There were problems with unstable systems in the past. Nobody ever debuged if it was the ram or nor.
10:30.05stefan_schmidtkoen: I know. And if nobody reports it unstable again I'm happy to use the full 48MB
10:30.19stefan_schmidtnoop: Try to find out why and try again?
10:30.46noopstefan_schmidt, you mean the flashingezx works with E6?
10:31.18stefan_schmidtnoop: No idea. I have neither E6 nor A1200.
10:31.31noopthe rwflash seems to be a module working on E6.
10:31.35noopif E6 down.
10:32.08noopI dont know what the RSD did,does it flash the zImage?
10:32.55stefan_schmidtnoop: RSD is non-free software and I'm not sure even illegal. I don't use such stuff.
10:33.20noopI have RSD-lite
10:33.26stefan_schmidtnoop: Anyway, I have to go now, perhaps other can give you some more hints.
10:33.38noopokay,tks a lot stefan_schmidt ~
10:34.05stefan_schmidtnoop: RSD-lite is legal to buy or get? (/me has not used windows since years now)
10:34.16noopI use vmware :D
10:34.21noopit works.
10:34.44noopRSD-lite is free download here.
10:34.49noopin China.
10:35.05stefan_schmidtnoop: From an official site?
10:35.44noopno, unofficial.
10:36.36stefan_schmidtnoop: So it's illegal. We respect copyright of other companies, like Motorola, here. This is no place for illegal stuff.
10:37.04stefan_schmidtnoop: You are still welcome to discuss with us solutions to flash it with free tools
10:37.21noopokay, I wont discuss RSD here any more.
10:37.25noop:)
10:37.29stefan_schmidtnoop: Don't get me wrong. Help is appreciated, but we have our rules here.
10:37.33stefan_schmidtnoop: Good. :)
10:37.52stefan_schmidtReally have to go now. Later all.
10:38.01noopbye
10:46.27noopao2, still here?
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14:25.18mickeylhmm fun
14:25.20mickeyl| drivers/usb/host/ohci-sa1111.c:18:30: error: asm/arch/assabet.h: No such file or directory
14:25.25mickeylnever seen this during ezx kernel compilation
14:30.41koenwrong defconfig?
14:31.32mickeylah, no, wrong kernel base version 2.6.21 vs. 2.6.21.4
14:32.36koenlet me commit some fixed that fix booting from TF
14:33.15mickeyl+CONFIG_EZX_MCI_TF=y
14:33.15mickeyl<PROTECTED>
14:33.30koenno
14:33.34koenthe command line params
14:33.51koen'noinitrd' gets parsed as rootdevice
14:33.57mickeyloops
14:34.01koenindeed
14:34.11koentook me while to figure out
14:35.11mickeylbtw., now that LaF0rge no longer is there to insist on it, we can switch from the bogus ext3 to ext2
14:35.17mickeyl:D
14:35.36koendid you see I switched the kernel to linux.inc?
14:35.39mickeylyes
14:35.44mickeyli did the same here
14:35.57mickeylwe should gradually switch all of 'em
14:36.01koenif openmoko does that they'll get faster boot times :)
14:36.15mickeylya, seen that kernel thing. tried on a Neo yet?
14:36.21koennot yet
14:37.32mickeylhmm, bummer
14:37.37mickeylstill the same error w/ 2.6.21.4
14:38.26mickeylaah
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15:55.47viperhi
15:55.57viperi'm trying to boot openezx on a780
15:56.40viperi get PXAMCI: start 00002140 for a lot of times is it normal?
15:59.30koenaaaaarg
15:59.56koenstupid non-standard usbnet ips
16:00.28viperkoen can you help me please?
16:01.08koenwhich kernel do you use?
16:01.23viperzImage-2.6.13-ezx6-32mb-p1
16:01.50viperi tryied even zImage-2.6.21-ezxdev-r6-a780-20070710090638.bin
16:02.18koentry http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/zImage.a780.alsa
16:02.24koenthat just booted on my a780
16:03.02viperi'm going to try
16:05.22viperit stops on "warning unable to open an initial console"
16:05.26viperis it normal?
16:05.56koenyou have an tf card with a rootfs?
16:06.01viperyes
16:06.10koenon the first partition?
16:06.17viperjust 1 partition
16:07.36koenmaybe the linux kernel doesn't like your tf card
16:07.57viperi wrote by root the tf can this be a problem?
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16:09.04koenit looks for /dev/mmcblk0p1
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16:11.09viperso?
16:11.35koenso check it there's an ext3 filesystem on the first partition of the card
16:11.57viper/dev/sdb1 on /media/disk-1 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev)
16:14.00koenthat should work
16:14.23viperi'm using this: openezx-debian-sarge-root-20060512.tar.bz2
16:16.42koenthat's a wrong rootfs
16:17.04koentry http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/a780/20070709/Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-test-20070710-a780.rootfs.tar.gz
16:22.23viperrebuilt the tf
16:22.41vipernow it hangs on Freeing init memory 80k
16:27.20viperdo I need 2 partition on tf??
16:28.58koenno
16:29.01koenonly one
16:29.39ao2hi viper are you maxwelt on motofans ?
16:30.00viperyes
16:30.02viper:D
16:30.17ao2I replyed you also there :)
16:30.26ao2e benvenuto (wellcome)
16:30.54vipergrande!!!
16:31.00vipersi ho letto
16:31.19viperi'll write in english :P
16:31.40ao2would be better
16:31.41viperI can't get openezx to boot
16:32.09viperhow much long take usually to boot?
16:32.45viperand...shuold start something like x11?
16:33.03ao2I tested the kernel and the rootf before replying you, it takes some time, you should see psplash with a progress bar before, and then x with gpe
16:33.26viperao2 the rootfs you linked is broken
16:33.31viperi can't download it
16:33.35ZS-ManHi ao2, what about building openmoko-image ?
16:33.50viperit don't donload the last bites
16:34.40ZS-ManI still end on uicmoc4-native......
16:35.31ao2ZS-Man, is the error you get an OSerror about locale files?
16:36.17ao2viper, I downloaded and installed it with no problem, how did you unpacked it?
16:36.31vipertar xzvf filename
16:37.31ao2viper, being root and being the CWD the mounted partition on transflash?
16:38.21viperof course
16:38.42ao2sorry for the silly question, just wanted to be sure
16:38.57viper:P
16:40.21viperao2 i have 1gb tf with 1 partition is that ok?
16:40.48ao2umount went fine? if yes I think you should have a working rootfs. Yes, it is of, mine is also 1gb
16:41.00ao2s/of/ok
16:42.52viperall seem to be ok
16:43.19ao2so, let's try again
16:43.44viperyesssssssssssss
16:43.48viperit's gone
16:44.05viperthanks
16:44.15koenhttp://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/eb5702e38d7a465e4d421c706bcc08fb.png
16:44.42ZS-Manao2, in log.do_compile is more mesages like: undefined reference to `QAbstractSocket::flush()'
16:45.16ao2good koen :)
16:46.10koenthe kernel defconfig needs a good scrubover
16:46.21koenlike enabling shm and stuff
16:46.55ao2I still can't build my openmoko-image I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/687271 anything wrong with my environment koen?
16:47.33koentry removing tmp
16:47.51koenand that screenshot is from angstrom-console-image + openmoko installed using ipkg
16:48.12koenmore screenshots on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
16:48.41ao2koen, after Daniel's commit we will do a little more integration work
16:50.13ao2viper, does touchscreen work?
16:50.32viperao2 yes
16:50.36viperit works!
16:50.48viperi like openezx :D
16:51.01ao2good, you could take a breath :)
16:51.22viperao2 yes the problem is that with moto fw doesn't work!!!!!!!!!11
16:52.58viperwhat can i do???
16:53.48ao2I can't help very much about original firmware, I do not know it well
16:53.57viper:(
16:54.08viperi'll try to flash again
16:54.23vipermaybe try to flash from linux?
16:54.35vipercan it make any difference from pst?
16:55.09ao2it is more a matter of _what_ you flash than _how_ I guess
16:55.23viperdo you have a good fw?
16:55.43ao2the one that came with the phone
16:55.52viperversion?
16:56.12viperdo you have gps?
16:56.15ao274something can't remember right now, if you want I can check
16:56.18ao2yes, gps is here
16:56.27viperok
16:56.35ao2ah, you're phone is an Asian one without GPS?
16:56.46viperi'll try some fw i still didn't flash
16:56.52vipersee you later
16:56.59viperthanks to all folks
16:57.00ao2see you
16:57.12ao2you're welcome, bye
16:57.28viperwill i find you there this evening?
16:58.23ao2pretty sure
17:01.40koenhttp://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/angstrom-running-on-an-motorola-a780
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17:04.58ao2sweet, doing 'ipkg openmoko' rightnow
17:05.52ao2_install_ :)
17:08.00koenao2: you can get neod from the armv4t feed
17:08.23koenhttp://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/neod_0.1.0+svnr2746-r0_armv4t.ipk
17:08.40ao2thanks
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17:50.03viperi'm back
17:50.36viperi flashed .61 transition firmware, the result is the sam
17:50.38vipersame
17:51.07viperi can't calibrate the screen 'cause i cant tap the bottom-right "+"
17:51.13viperany suggestion?
17:51.40webmindwhy cant you ?
17:52.01viperbecause seems like the touchpad has moved over the screen
17:52.14viperso if i tap the middle of the screen it taps the top
17:52.23viperwith openezx all woarks ok
17:52.31viperso it isn't hardware problem
17:52.53viperif i tap the bottom it taps the middle
17:53.00viperdo u understand?
17:53.22vipermoto a780...just in case...
17:58.15webmindyes
17:58.24webmindjust tap where you see the +
17:58.34webmindeven if there doesn't end up a cursor there
17:59.15koenyou're trying to run moto firmware with a 2.6 kernel?
18:01.37viperwhat?
18:02.26viperi run openezx with boot_usb
18:02.44viperi didn't write the flash memory with openezx
18:03.00viperi'm talking about the original fw of the phone
18:05.24viperdoes anybody know a way to do a master reset without using touchscreen?
18:05.40LuitvD/back
18:06.50viperwhat?
18:07.14LuitvDno, I noted I'm back from being afk :P
18:07.42viperlol
18:07.45LuitvDthat wasn't an answer to your question :P
18:07.50viperokok
18:08.29LuitvDmaster reset... remove the battery? :P
18:09.07viperi don't think so...
18:09.34LuitvDkoen: there ain't no QVGA OpenMoko Theme, right?
18:12.11viperao2 are you there?
18:12.47ao2hi viper
18:13.37viperhi
18:13.48viperdo you think any fles can solve the problem?
18:13.59ao2for question about original software motofans is a much better place, I think. And with a wider audience
18:15.21viperok thz
18:15.32koenLuitvD: there is actually
18:16.05LuitvDkoen: interesting :)
18:16.07koenhttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/openmoko-theme-standard2-qvga_0.1.0+r2922-r0_all.ipk
18:16.23LuitvDkoen: looks like I haven't been in the #openmoko channel for too long :P
18:16.45koen#openmoko is for script kiddies, whiners and trolls
18:17.19koenLuitvD: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/09/04/openmoko-and-openezx-at-mobile-developer-days-2007/
18:17.23LuitvDI see
18:17.34koenLuitvD: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/angstrom-running-on-an-motorola-a780
18:17.55LuitvDAngstrom is something different, right?
18:18.39LuitvDoeh, Angstrom transformed to look like OpenMoko? or is OpenMoko trying to replicate Angstrom?
18:21.30LuitvDif anybody wants me developing (or at least testing) for E6, tell me what to do :)
18:22.04LuitvDseeing the choices I will have once the kernel works, makes me want to have it done :)
18:24.36LuitvDso what should I do, start making a development environment... on a 32-bit system, or 64-bit? or doesn't it matter?
18:37.07koenLuitvD: angstrom is a distribution, openmoko a graphical environment
18:37.12koene.g like redhat and gnome
18:38.09LuitvDright XD
18:38.23LuitvDthought angstrom was a GUI too :P
18:38.59LuitvDso, 32 or 64 bits build environment... does it matter?
18:39.47LuitvDif it doesn't, I'll use my 64-bit laptop
18:41.27SuNShouldn't really matter, since none of the cross-compiled code will run on the host anyway.
18:42.22LuitvDright... but there isn't any software for the building that's 32-bit dependent?
18:42.47SuNI wouldn't expect it but I can't say for sure.
18:42.55koenSuN: heh, the gcc dudes didn't get that
18:43.10koengcc3 creates different arm code when running on 32bit and 64bit
18:43.18SuNReally?
18:43.26SuNThat's... ridiculous.
18:43.54LuitvDbut we're not using gcc3 right?
18:44.17koengcc3 is so 5 years ago
18:44.23LuitvD:D
18:44.46SuNWell, you never know in ARM-land.
18:45.20LuitvDwhat's this EABI stuff? ARM optimised stuff?
18:45.46SuNOr just google it, heh.
18:46.50koenLuitvD: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
18:52.25SuNLuitvD: so, what's your "after (more than) a month impression" of the E6?
18:52.59LuitvDcould be better :P
18:53.02LuitvDhardware is fine
18:53.07LuitvDsoftware still sucks :D
18:53.36SuNWell, I partially agree. But I find comfort in the fact that it's not significantly worse than any other cellphone software.
18:53.55LuitvDtouché
18:55.02SuNIt's not as polished and functional as Symbian or Windows Mobile, but it sure as  hell is a lot faster, and it is pretty much crash-proof, which is more than I can say about the offerings of e.g. Nokia and SE.
18:55.25SuNWhy... I mean WHY... can I only run one J2ME app at a time, though?
18:55.37LuitvDyeah :P
18:55.44LuitvDit's weird
18:56.09SuNIt's not a hardware limitation at all, the J2ME implementation is pretty fast.
18:56.16SuNOpera Mini runs very well.
18:56.26SuNAs does Google maps.
18:56.58LuitvDindeed it does
18:57.07LuitvDhaven't tried opera mini yet...
18:57.13LuitvDdid try google maps though
18:57.21SuNThe latest beta supports landscape browsing, it's pretty nice.
18:58.17LuitvDbut what I hate about the implementation of J2ME too is that you need to "allow once per run" for about everything
18:58.38SuNYeah, it's very annoying.
18:58.40LuitvDallowing internet access every single time, allowing camera access (for bar-code reading software)
18:58.43LuitvDetcetera
18:58.51SuNCan be hacked though, by editing some file.
18:58.57SuN(more on motorolafans)
18:59.14LuitvDyeah
18:59.27LuitvDI'd rather hack the whole phone at once
18:59.29LuitvD:P
18:59.30SuNBut I find that tedious, because you need to have a dozen of weird hacks installed before you can actually do it.
18:59.33SuNYeah, me too.
19:00.13LuitvDyou need a hack for each feature, instead of a couple of hacks for a million things
19:03.58SuNAnd most of them are very ugly.
19:04.29SuNMotorolafans has some nice topics but boy, is it full of clueless hacks.
19:06.38SuN"hacks" being the people in this case.
19:39.16LuitvDso, what's the best 'how-to' for making a build environment?
19:41.45ao2the one you are going to write LuitvD :) but take a look also to the already mentioned http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
20:02.00LuitvDI'm off for the pub
20:02.14LuitvDlater guys
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