| 00:16.09 | florian | good night |
| 00:17.30 | stefan_schmidt | night florian |
| 00:18.11 | alphaone | good night florian |
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| 07:59.05 | dion | hi |
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| 13:13.36 | alphaone | morning |
| 13:13.44 | stefan_schmidt | hi alphaone |
| 13:13.50 | stefan_schmidt | hi all |
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| 13:31.18 | dion | hi all too |
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| 15:11.32 | irdakabel | hi! |
| 15:11.58 | irdakabel | had anyone success loading a self-compiled 2.4-kernel using boot_usb? |
| 15:13.10 | ao2 | hi irdakabel, yes, someone of us did that |
| 15:15.19 | irdakabel | I used your patches according to http://wiki.openezx.org/Kernel_hacking_-_linux-2.4 , but I had many compile- and link-errors. I managed to fix them, but loading using boot_usb, I don't see anything on the screen. |
| 15:16.55 | ao2 | mmh, I compiled 2.4 using an older toolchain, gcc-3.3.6-glibc-2.3.2 |
| 15:17.01 | ao2 | maybe that's the difference? |
| 15:17.49 | irdakabel | I'm using gcc-3.4.4, built with openembedded last summer. |
| 15:18.06 | irdakabel | I'll try 3.3.6 too. |
| 15:18.07 | ao2 | and oabi, keep that's in mind. If you use a gnueabi toolchain the mototola userspace wont work |
| 15:18.28 | irdakabel | I don't need the motorola userspace ;-) |
| 15:18.36 | ao2 | ah, fine |
| 15:18.39 | koen | ao2: you can't build an eabo 2.4 kernel |
| 15:19.20 | ao2 | ah, ok. So a gnueabi compiler will simply fail building a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:20.08 | koen | yeah |
| 15:20.15 | koen | especially since 2.4 isn't gcc 4 safe |
| 15:22.12 | ao2 | irdakabel, just FYI, I used the ezx-crosstool as described on http://wiki.openezx.org/Crosscompile |
| 15:25.02 | irdakabel | I try it. |
| 15:25.09 | irdakabel | thank you. |
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| 17:14.19 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: IIRC you talked with the upstream author from fbgrab about the network changes, right? Was he interested? |
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| 17:34.15 | alphaone | koen, would you mind building a new openmoko-a780 image. The one at http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/a780/ still has the old opentapi |
| 17:34.43 | alphaone | And I am currently waiting for angstrom to finish.. |
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| 18:01.04 | ao2 | stefan_schmidt, the mail is in my draft folder, yet, ouch. I forgot to send it... |
| 18:01.17 | koen | alphaone: sure |
| 18:01.26 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Would be nice to clarify this. |
| 18:02.06 | ao2 | I'm sending the mail right now, I'll tell as soon as I get a reply. |
| 18:02.13 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: thanks |
| 18:02.26 | alphaone | koen: Thanks |
| 18:03.10 | koen | alphaone: it's uploaded to the same dir |
| 18:04.30 | ao2 | stefan_schmidt, anyway, I didn't understand the exact reason why Harald implemented network mode with fbgrab acting as client and fbgrab-viewer as the server. Maybe for security? |
| 18:05.12 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: No idea |
| 18:07.02 | ao2 | the converse would have been more intuitive, even if a _potential_ danger for privacy, but I discuss that with fbgrab author that |
| 18:07.31 | ao2 | s/that$/too |
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| 18:30.40 | alphaone | koen: All right |
| 18:30.59 | alphaone | Got a working image here :-) |
| 18:31.29 | alphaone | Wow, I'm seeing a *huge* finger wheel |
| 18:31.31 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: today angstrom-gpe-image? And flashed kernel from oe? |
| 18:31.41 | stefan_schmidt | ah openmoko image |
| 18:32.24 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: angstrom-image is still generating locales... |
| 18:32.38 | stefan_schmidt | heh, that take ages |
| 18:43.16 | koen | alphaone: now you know why i feel bad if I need to change glibc and know that everyone needs to rebuild it .... |
| 18:43.33 | dion | anybody have success with oe bootstrap-image here? |
| 18:43.44 | alphaone | koen: Yeah :-) |
| 18:44.33 | alphaone | koen: Have you thought about making the locales to be built selectable? |
| 18:44.57 | koen | yes, but that's a bit of a controversial subject |
| 18:44.59 | alphaone | dion: I'm currently building gpe-image. |
| 18:45.20 | alphaone | I'll try building bootstrap-image after that |
| 18:45.31 | alphaone | koen: I can believe that |
| 18:45.44 | dion | i got little problem with pkg mtd-utils-native |
| 18:46.06 | koen | dion: most likely your OE checkout is too old |
| 18:46.22 | dion | koen: today morning |
| 18:46.51 | koen | hmm, that should include the mtd utils fix |
| 18:47.22 | koen | alphaone: if only localegen wouldn't need 80MB of ram to generate locales.... |
| 18:49.06 | alphaone | koen: Could the locales be all-linux? |
| 18:49.59 | koen | I think I don't get the question |
| 18:51.06 | alphaone | Do you have to rebuild locales if you build stuff for a different architecture or is the locale format independent of that? |
| 18:51.19 | dion | koen: http://pastebin.ca/381226 - what i get. will install git-core debian package |
| 18:51.43 | koen | alphaone: iirc it's endian and wordsize dependant |
| 18:52.12 | koen | alphaone: i386 locales could work, but not x86_64 locales |
| 18:52.37 | koen | it's a braindead format managed by braindead tools |
| 18:53.36 | alphaone | koen: Okay |
| 18:54.44 | alphaone | I try to stay out of localization as much as possible. Maybe it's the odor of the dead brains :-) |
| 18:56.07 | dion | funny |
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| 19:40.38 | florian | hi all |
| 19:41.07 | alphaone | hi florian |
| 19:52.11 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: With the new OM image from koen the touchscreen works, too |
| 19:52.41 | koen | that's good to hear |
| 19:52.52 | koen | although I still don't get with it didn't work before |
| 19:53.06 | alphaone | yeah |
| 19:53.44 | alphaone | Although by working I mean it still is kind of flaky and one click behind |
| 19:59.37 | florian | alphaone: yes, it is... |
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| 20:45.37 | alphaone | florian: Did you take a look at the imcosys image yet |
| 20:45.38 | alphaone | ? |
| 20:46.17 | koen | imcosys actually released something? |
| 20:46.31 | alphaone | http://www.imcosys.com/html/download.html |
| 20:46.39 | alphaone | Only a binary image. |
| 20:47.10 | alphaone | But they said they'll distribute a Cd with the source along with the phone. |
| 20:48.08 | alphaone | And at some point the source will be downloadable. |
| 20:52.55 | florian | alphaone: uh... o |
| 20:53.07 | florian | i wasn't aware of this |
| 20:53.30 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: You already dissected it? |
| 20:53.35 | koen | Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.00 |
| 20:53.35 | koen | Staring OS Bootloader... |
| 20:53.43 | koen | U-Boot 1.1.1 (Jan 31 2007 - 16:48:58) |
| 20:54.00 | stefan_schmidt | florian: http://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/articles/2007/03/03/imcosys-gpl-compliant |
| 20:54.20 | stefan_schmidt | koen: From the image? |
| 20:54.29 | koen | yes |
| 20:54.55 | florian | stefan_schmidt: ua, the device i know but not about a downloadable image |
| 20:55.15 | koen | Linux-2.4.20_mvlcee31-omap730_gs |
| 20:55.18 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Nice so at least uboot and kernel code |
| 20:55.26 | stefan_schmidt | sigh, mvista again |
| 20:55.39 | florian | *cough* |
| 20:56.20 | florian | ok, i don't want the kernel source ;) |
| 20:56.37 | koen | TAPI_Server |
| 20:57.05 | alphaone | :-) |
| 20:57.17 | koen | hah! |
| 20:57.22 | koen | Entries |
| 20:57.23 | koen | Repository |
| 20:57.23 | koen | Root |
| 20:57.32 | koen | always ship a cvs checkout in your rootfs! |
| 20:57.32 | florian | hehe |
| 20:57.33 | alphaone | I'm running magic_ofs over the image right now |
| 20:57.58 | koen | alphaone: doesn't the map.ini has that info already? |
| 20:58.28 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Is there a shop in germany we could order? |
| 20:58.52 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: in swiss I believe |
| 20:59.03 | alphaone | koen: :-) |
| 20:59.08 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: ok |
| 20:59.25 | alphaone | But shipping is not that expensive |
| 21:00.01 | florian | They claim to have distributors in Germany. |
| 21:00.03 | alphaone | Although they mention only a 1 year warranty |
| 21:00.32 | alphaone | koen: Maybe I should just check if the values of map.ini work |
| 21:00.45 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: You're interested in warranty?:) |
| 21:01.21 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: True dat :-) |
| 21:04.32 | dion | just want to ask.. i see rootfs in tmp/rootfs. is it final rootfs? what about devices? |
| 21:09.11 | alphaone | dion: I think. But just take the most recent tar.gz in tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 21:09.58 | dion | hmm. no images in tmp/deploy |
| 21:10.32 | dion | also should i build bootstrap-image as root? currently all files in /dev are not devices |
| 21:10.33 | alphaone | hmm |
| 21:10.53 | alphaone | dion: I'm building as user |
| 21:11.05 | florian | dion: never build as root |
| 21:11.18 | alphaone | But your fs should probably not be nodev or noexec |
| 21:11.30 | alphaone | But I'm not 100 % sure about that |
| 21:12.00 | dion | i use /dev/hda7 on /home type reiserfs (rw) |
| 21:12.25 | dion | btw afaik regular user can't create device files |
| 21:13.05 | florian | i don't know offhand what takes care about the devices, but you should get an image in deploy/images which is what you want to use and not the stuff from the rootfs subdir. |
| 21:14.02 | alphaone | dion: try running bitbake bootstrap-image again |
| 21:15.22 | koen | fakeroot should take care of handling permissions |
| 21:16.45 | dion | found it |
| 21:17.17 | dion | in tmp/deploy/glibc/images/c7x0 |
| 21:17.59 | florian | dion: Angstrom? |
| 21:18.10 | dion | yes |
| 21:18.23 | stefan_schmidt | but wrong machine |
| 21:18.24 | dion | stefan_schmidt's advice |
| 21:18.42 | florian | i always wondered why it is different there |
| 21:18.53 | dion | hm.. strange |
| 21:19.01 | dion | LOL |
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| 21:19.52 | dion | looks like /me need to spend some time again |
| 21:20.05 | stefan_schmidt | dion: :( |
| 21:20.51 | florian | koen: why is the directory structure in "deploy" different building Angström? |
| 21:20.56 | alphaone | florian: What hardware? |
| 21:21.12 | alphaone | Maybe I can help you :-) |
| 21:21.29 | florian | alphaone: the most impressive piece is a DEC LPS 20 |
| 21:21.42 | florian | alphaone: i'm convinced you do no want this :) |
| 21:22.36 | alphaone | florian: True at the moment. If I ever build my own house I'll have to include a room for a technology museum :-) |
| 21:23.19 | alphaone | It's just collecting dust at the moment |
| 21:23.28 | florian | alphaone: i had the same thought before... but its even worse, but here in the flat it looks like this already. |
| 21:24.43 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: If you like me to help the move you should rethink this. ;) |
| 21:25.24 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: But you'll help me get my rack out of here if I move, won't you? :-) |
| 21:25.36 | florian | several old workstations, a big old printer, a big old radio receiver and *lots* of old cameras. |
| 21:26.34 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Of course I will. |
| 21:26.56 | alphaone | florian: http://www.totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/rack.jpg |
| 21:26.58 | alphaone | :-) |
| 21:27.02 | alphaone | Must be fun |
| 21:27.17 | stefan_schmidt | florian: hmm, I thought embedded should be easier to move. ;) |
| 21:27.48 | koen | florian: deploy/ is different in angstrom so you can really switch between machines, ABIs and c-library without troubles |
| 21:29.20 | florian | alphaone: i bet it is... :-) i was involved in the nasty job to bring our new rack in place last week. Three people are really not enough for an IBM 42HE |
| 21:29.25 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: No. You just have way more devices |
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| 21:30.04 | florian | stefan_schmidt: unluckily most of us started to collect before the ipaq was invented ;) |
| 21:30.13 | stefan_schmidt | florian: :) |
| 21:30.13 | alphaone | florian: 13 storeys by foot |
| 21:30.26 | koen | florian: with this structure you can switch oabi/eabi and glibc/uclibc without rm'ing tmp |
| 21:30.59 | florian | koen: sounds pretty cool... why don't we do that per default? |
| 21:31.06 | alphaone | florian: But I removed absolutely everything from the frame I could. So it wasn't that big an ordeal |
| 21:31.11 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: It's fine. I should be more thankfull to you most of the time. |
| 21:31.22 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: True ;-) |
| 21:31.28 | koen | florian: because no-one really tried to do it |
| 21:31.46 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Offer me a finger and I'll take the arm |
| 21:31.56 | koen | florian: and witness the falmes when deploy/ipk suddenly moves to subdirs... |
| 21:32.07 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: But I only have two and you already have one of it. |
| 21:32.50 | koen | later all |
| 21:33.24 | florian | koen: enjoy :-) |
| 21:35.39 | alphaone | koen: Have fun |
| 21:43.00 | florian | hrm... sgi deserved to die for building the 320 |
| 23:17.20 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: You can give me your remainig arm tomorrow at work. I'll bring my axe. |
| 23:18.32 | dion | maybe offtop, anybody have some experice with AVR programming? |
| 23:23.15 | alphaone | dion: Yes |
| 23:24.12 | alphaone | dion: I have done projects with AVR, what do you want to know |
| 23:24.32 | dion | alphaone: i have two atmega16 chips and i'm trying to use SPI. looks like it don't work on slave |
| 23:25.34 | dion | will SPI interrupt be requested on slave chip when one byte will be transfered? |
| 23:28.36 | alphaone | dion: Wait. Let me check the specs |
| 23:34.09 | alphaone | dion: Can I see the code? |
| 23:34.31 | dion | maybe tomorrow.. i have no it here |
| 23:35.26 | alphaone | You should get an interrupt. SPIE is set? |
| 23:36.15 | dion | yes |
| 23:36.19 | dion | on both chips |
| 23:36.49 | alphaone | dion: But I haven't used spi slave on an atmega yet, sorry. Only as master controlling a CAN controller |
| 23:37.14 | dion | ok.. looks like master works here too :) |
| 23:38.07 | dion | tomorrow will try to write slave code without interrupts. if it will works, then master is ok :) |
| 23:38.19 | alphaone | Okay |
| 23:38.43 | dion | anyway thanks |
| 23:38.57 | alphaone | If you want me to take a look at the code just ping me. |
| 23:39.12 | dion | ok |
| 23:39.19 | dion | heh.. my bootstrap-image still builing. :) |
| 23:39.29 | alphaone | :-) |
| 23:39.48 | alphaone | I'm building dbus right now.. |
| 23:40.16 | alphaone | I really should upgrade my server or desktop pc. |
| 23:40.49 | alphaone | That's unfortunate.. |
| 23:41.06 | dion | i want to upgrade too.. but don't want to spend time with moving files |
| 23:42.07 | alphaone | Why would you need to move files? |
| 23:42.54 | dion | currently i have IDE hdd. |
| 23:43.47 | alphaone | Good point. But it shouldn't take that long to move everything |
| 23:45.29 | dion | maybe :) |
| 23:46.03 | dion | bb all |
| 23:51.35 | alphaone | good night |
