| 00:03.34 | alphaone | Yay |
| 00:04.10 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: It works with your patches? |
| 00:04.10 | alphaone | Okay, this image seems pretty stable - opentapi-wise |
| 00:04.23 | alphaone | jup |
| 00:04.29 | stefan_schmidt | nice one |
| 00:06.06 | stefan_schmidt | What was the price of a quad-xeon mac again? |
| 00:06.40 | alphaone | mac? |
| 00:07.14 | stefan_schmidt | Something for the power and something for the eyes. :) |
| 00:07.38 | alphaone | Hehe :-) |
| 00:08.04 | alphaone | And definitely something for the wallet... |
| 00:09.09 | stefan_schmidt | 2,5K |
| 00:09.16 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 00:09.21 | stefan_schmidt | I choose another one |
| 00:10.28 | alphaone | And only i gig RAM for that |
| 00:11.03 | stefan_schmidt | 2 gig should be minimum |
| 00:11.53 | alphaone | ACk |
| 00:19.08 | stefan_schmidt | And of course a slow notebook disk. :( |
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| 00:19.56 | stefan_schmidt | hi TimRiker |
| 00:20.18 | TimRiker | heya |
| 00:20.26 | dion | hi |
| 00:20.39 | alphaone | hi |
| 00:51.43 | alphaone | Okay, I sent the mail with the patch. Kernel with eabi is compiling right now and I'll post a mail with instructions on how to have fun with the "phone" part of the phone some time tomorrow. |
| 00:52.06 | alphaone | Good night everyone |
| 00:52.36 | stefan_schmidt | night alphaone |
| 00:53.32 | alphaone | night |
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| 07:51.13 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:08.49 | koen | alphaone: I'm looking at your patch now |
| 10:36.27 | alphaone | koen: I just saw you commited the patch. Thanks |
| 10:36.33 | alphaone | Good morning everyone |
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| 10:51.28 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.54 | koen | alphaone: I'm on the list, no need to CC: :) |
| 11:52.42 | alphaone | koen: Okay :-) |
| 12:06.28 | koen | openezx-devel is low-traffic enough to read every message |
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| 12:21.35 | ao2 | hey, really really OT, but very interesting: http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117270857656222691-3qllxXq2db3gi3uvYlQ53I8a_ak_20070308.html?mod=blogs |
| 12:22.40 | dion | all: |
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| 12:56.44 | stefan_schmidt | ah, after disabling qa I also get a gpe-image build done |
| 12:57.56 | stefan_schmidt | I'll start testing after dinner |
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| 13:18.19 | jonwil | did you guys see the release of the source code for the a910 on opensource.motorola.com? |
| 13:26.25 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: Yes, looking into it is on my todo |
| 13:26.42 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: Especially the wlan chip would interest me. |
| 13:26.51 | jonwil | presumably now someone will need to acquite an a910 to play with |
| 13:27.01 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: yes |
| 13:27.03 | jonwil | acquire |
| 13:27.42 | florian | i wonder if you can buy them at all... |
| 13:28.30 | jonwil | at least motorola seem to be willing to comply with GPL right now |
| 13:28.46 | jonwil | the stuff they havent released is most likely stuff they havent had the time to track down and identify |
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| 13:29.45 | stefan_schmidt | florian: I heard you can by them in France |
| 13:29.46 | florian | jonwil: unluckily only to some extent.. i.e. we ware not able to reproduce the kernel running on the a1200 |
| 13:30.13 | stefan_schmidt | florian: The question is if they are willing but have missing skills. :) |
| 13:30.15 | jonwil | so is the kernel source for the a1200 incorrect or what? |
| 13:31.02 | jonwil | if they are not complying with GPL on any product (phone or otherwise), someone should bring them to task for it or whatever |
| 13:31.08 | jonwil | i.e. let them know they are in violation |
| 13:31.13 | jonwil | and that they need to fix the violation |
| 13:32.23 | stefan_schmidt | I'm to lazy playing this game again and again |
| 13:32.53 | jonwil | I still dont understand why so many large companies dont comply with gpl... Is it ignorance of the requirements of the licence? |
| 13:33.33 | jonwil | Companies thinking that they only need to provide source if someone actually asks them for it? |
| 13:33.53 | jonwil | lazyness? |
| 13:34.23 | florian | stefan_schmidt: well, i guess they should have the skills to use tar... |
| 13:35.12 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: Most of them just don't understand how FOSS works. Sad but true. |
| 13:35.21 | florian | jonwil: i guess so... in fact most of them need (an do) feel ashamed for the crap they release. |
| 13:35.27 | florian | right |
| 13:35.34 | stefan_schmidt | florian: I think more about skill try a compile before tar and upload |
| 13:35.48 | florian | stefan_schmidt: true |
| 13:36.11 | jonwil | Sometimes they figure they can keep code secret and from there, not disclose the workings of their hardware device |
| 13:36.46 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: Even this sometimes |
| 13:37.01 | jonwil | also, when one company makes a chipset or reference design and then other companies licence that and ship branded versions of it, things get even messier |
| 13:37.19 | stefan_schmidt | I offered moto often enough to work together with them. If they don't like to do, it's not my problem |
| 13:37.49 | jonwil | just look at all the crap going on right now with regards to the TI AR7 router chipsets, I own a router based on such chipset |
| 13:38.00 | jonwil | but getting any firmware source out of the router |
| 13:38.03 | jonwil | router OEM |
| 13:38.13 | jonwil | is impossible |
| 13:38.24 | jonwil | and because they are only in australia, its even harder |
| 13:38.48 | stefan_schmidt | In my opinion it would be the best for this companies to pay somebody let them understand how all this stuff works. |
| 13:40.24 | florian | stefan_schmidt: right, but only a few do... :-/ |
| 13:40.37 | jonwil | I worked for a while for a large software company and they had all kinds of rules about sharing technology of any kind outside the organization |
| 13:41.07 | stefan_schmidt | florian: indeed |
| 13:41.16 | jonwil | the same rules probobly applied to open source if this company was using any |
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| 13:41.32 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: Right and that'S fine. But then they have to check their own rules *before* using FOSS |
| 13:42.07 | jonwil | wouldnt surprise me if a lot of what we see with large companies and open source releases is the need to make sure the code is "clean" before it is released. For example, they may need to remove contact details of engineers/coders from comments |
| 13:42.11 | jonwil | or remove internal bug numbers |
| 13:42.27 | jonwil | or other comments that could be a problem if allowed into the public |
| 13:43.30 | jonwil | I gaurantee that in most cases, the inhouse legal team has a fair bit to do with any delays in getting code released |
| 13:44.48 | stefan_schmidt | yeah, lawyers suck |
| 13:45.06 | stefan_schmidt | But your right, they do review |
| 13:45.22 | jonwil | another thing to think about that could be an issue is export controls. If any of the to-be-released code contains encryption for example (and IIRC common base linux packages do contain it), then they have to check it carefully to ensure that releasing the code doesnt violate export controls |
| 13:45.31 | stefan_schmidt | That's all ok and fine, but no excuse for the problems |
| 13:46.09 | jonwil | no |
| 13:48.20 | florian | hi file |
| 13:48.52 | file | how are we all today? |
| 13:49.26 | stefan_schmidt | fine |
| 13:50.41 | florian | better :-) |
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| 15:33.15 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: I just build gpe-image from today and ts works |
| 15:33.26 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Still flanky but working |
| 15:33.58 | ao2 | does it work also in very first the calibration phase? |
| 15:34.11 | ao2 | with angstrom-gpe-image ? |
| 15:34.30 | ao2 | and the kernel from OE? |
| 15:34.36 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Yes, it works in calibration. And yes, angstrom |
| 15:34.44 | stefan_schmidt | Kernel from oe |
| 15:36.11 | ao2 | ok, so I'll try to update my image+kernel |
| 15:36.31 | stefan_schmidt | That's what I would suggest |
| 15:41.01 | florian | calibration should work since i removed the broken tslib.sh |
| 15:49.24 | ao2 | sad, I found that there is no quick (and legal) way to have US maps on a780, I will do a trip on US and my GPS would have been handy... |
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| 16:01.40 | stefan_schmidt | florian: ah, that was my last missing part of the puzzle |
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| 16:03.44 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, the oe produced zImage is to big for flashing |
| 16:08.28 | koen | feel free to send a patch for the defconfigs |
| 16:08.48 | koen | I don't think they have been really updated since mickey added them |
| 16:09.28 | stefan_schmidt | I'll work something out and send a patch |
| 16:10.20 | koen | and if one any of you wants commit access, just send a key to mickeyl and me and we'll discuss it with the the other core devs |
| 16:10.54 | stefan_schmidt | ok, I chat with alphaone about it |
| 16:17.32 | koen | heh |
| 16:17.44 | koen | you can't recalibrate your screen if usb-storage mode is active |
| 16:17.52 | koen | the wonders of moto firmware |
| 16:18.16 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
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| 16:18.49 | koen | time to get 2 prepaid sims |
| 16:18.55 | koen | one for the a780 and one for the neo |
| 16:19.39 | stefan_schmidt | right, that remembers me even for another sim for mux testing |
| 16:31.08 | florian | iirc you can speed up udev start by reducing the number of ptys |
| 16:31.23 | koen | speed it up *a lot* |
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| 16:38.38 | florian | right, that should be a default option for most devices, but i do not remember offhand what was a save value |
| 16:38.58 | koen | 4 or 8 |
| 16:39.07 | koen | the number of terminals people have open |
| 16:39.15 | koen | which should be 'none' |
| 16:39.21 | florian | right :-) |
| 16:39.36 | koen | the default is 256 or 1024 |
| 16:40.02 | koen | which means at least 256 udev processes at boot |
| 16:43.39 | florian | oh, sounds like a clever design ;) |
| 17:18.12 | stefan_schmidt | ah, nice to know. |
| 17:18.20 | stefan_schmidt | I reduce it to 8 |
| 17:23.03 | florian | :-) |
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| 19:02.15 | florian | re |
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| 20:01.20 | florian | wtf |
| 20:01.29 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.14 | alphaone | whoops |
| 20:03.43 | florian | i gut this while building x11 |
| 20:03.50 | florian | s/gut/got/ |
| 20:05.59 | florian | hrm... two oe builds are too much for one machine |
| 20:06.00 | alphaone | florian: Never hat that before |
| 20:07.13 | florian | alphaone: same here... and i'm pretty sure i built the same version the last time i tried |
| 20:09.48 | alphaone | Can you reproduce it? |
| 20:10.16 | florian | i'm just trying |
| 20:11.40 | alphaone | okay |
| 20:15.40 | florian | i can... |
| 20:16.24 | alphaone | Hmm, strace? |
| 20:30.03 | florian | nothing really obvious... but something on this machine must be wrong. it worked for the same package. |
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| 23:39.55 | agd5f | looks like the imcosys is finally available: http://www.imcosys.com/shop/pi1/pd1.html |
| 23:42.52 | alphaone | agd5f: Right. I saw that one on CeBit. The company seems to have a really weird strategy, though. |
| 23:45.17 | agd5f | alphaone: what is it? |
| 23:45.26 | alphaone | They are running linux but this phone is the opposite of "open". According to the person there they wrote a completely new GUI. Nothing open source. |
| 23:46.01 | agd5f | that's not that different from other phone vendors |
| 23:46.14 | agd5f | most of them have their own front end |
| 23:46.25 | alphaone | And he told me that most will be closed. |
| 23:48.38 | agd5f | alphaone: has mot released the E6 sources yet? |
| 23:50.29 | alphaone | agd5f: They release everything on http://opensource.motorola.com/ So if it's not there then I guess not |
| 23:50.41 | agd5f | yeah, I don't see it |
| 23:52.34 | alphaone | agd5f: Then write a mail and request the sources. |
| 23:52.59 | alphaone | And expect to get an answer in a couple of weeks. |
| 23:53.01 | agd5f | is there a preferred address? |
| 23:53.42 | alphaone | mom |
| 23:55.48 | agd5f | ? |
| 23:55.54 | alphaone | moment |
| 23:55.58 | agd5f | ah |
| 23:56.28 | alphaone | Sorry, it's a usual german abbreviation. Should have used sec :-) |
| 23:56.37 | agd5f | :) |
| 23:57.28 | alphaone | Well, I can't find the mail right now. I think there is something like gpl@motorola.com but I'm not sure. stefan had contact with motorola a couple times |
| 23:57.38 | agd5f | cool |