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| 03:02.51 | jaebird | alphaone: e680i ? |
| 03:03.29 | alphaone | jaebird: sorry, meant jannu... |
| 03:03.43 | jaebird | ah yes...I scrolled back and realized :) |
| 03:05.18 | jaebird | do we think the 680 will be the first EXZ with OpenMoko? |
| 03:06.40 | alphaone | jaebird: It's on mine and stefan's todo list. But we are quite low on RAM which is a big problem. |
| 03:07.13 | jaebird | I saw that on the OpenMoko list :( |
| 03:07.33 | alphaone | And e680 is 240x320 while openmoko was built for 480x640 |
| 03:07.54 | alphaone | Though that should be easy - if you know gtk that is |
| 03:08.04 | jaebird | at least same aspect ratio... |
| 03:08.10 | alphaone | yeah |
| 03:08.40 | jaebird | seems that 48mb ram should be enough...for most things anyways! |
| 03:09.04 | jaebird | didn't Bill Gates say that 640K is enough for anything :) |
| 03:09.09 | alphaone | Yeah, it could be barely usable. |
| 03:09.12 | alphaone | :-) |
| 03:09.54 | alphaone | Should work, albeit slow, if we add swap. |
| 03:10.03 | jaebird | yeah...I was about to suggest that |
| 03:10.31 | jaebird | maybe there is some secret memory in there that is not yet known! |
| 03:11.22 | alphaone | Motorola would do that :-) |
| 03:12.07 | jaebird | I have an E2 and am getting frustrated with the UI responsiveness... |
| 03:12.38 | alphaone | But before we try getting openmoko I finally want to have a kernel where I can reproduce a working mux_cli with opentapi on every boot |
| 03:12.49 | jaebird | right |
| 03:12.59 | jaebird | how is that coming? |
| 03:13.01 | alphaone | Or non-responsiveness |
| 03:14.27 | alphaone | Well last time stefan was here we and were working on it (couple weeks ago) he managed to send an sms. But then I recompiled the kernel without debugging and serial so I could login via usbnet and it wouldn't work anymore. :-( |
| 03:14.56 | jaebird | hmm...timing? |
| 03:14.57 | alphaone | So it doesn't look like much but i guess the bug is not that easy to find. |
| 03:15.10 | alphaone | timing seems to be a major problem |
| 03:15.28 | jaebird | maybe motorola just puts a bunch of sleeps in their code! |
| 03:15.50 | alphaone | We have to start opentapi as first process after init or it won't work reliable |
| 03:16.21 | alphaone | Well, we mainly used motorola's code |
| 03:16.32 | jaebird | was there a plan for tomorrow with stefan et al |
| 03:16.48 | alphaone | Key difference as I see it is bootup times between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 03:17.44 | jaebird | does 2.6 but the same way...or just different speed? |
| 03:17.56 | jaebird | s/but/boot/ |
| 03:18.14 | alphaone | Not really. Stefan has a test tomorrow and then his gf requires his attention until were going to FOSDEM on friday |
| 03:18.25 | jaebird | lol |
| 03:18.52 | jaebird | totally understand that one... |
| 03:19.02 | alphaone | After that we all have some time to spend on open{ezx,moko} hacking. |
| 03:19.03 | alphaone | :-) |
| 03:19.31 | jaebird | well it looks like OpenMoko Lite is what we'll be able to get on these EZX platforms...unless something else changes |
| 03:19.56 | alphaone | I'm not sure what is causing the delay in 2.6. I thought it was the bootloader uncompressing the kernel, but... |
| 03:19.59 | jaebird | it seems odd that QT is less hungry...or maybe it is 2.6 |
| 03:20.10 | LoneStar | then what is GPE phone edition for? |
| 03:20.46 | jaebird | G(PE)2 is another oss phone platform! |
| 03:21.01 | jaebird | QT is used on the Motorola Linux phones |
| 03:21.09 | alphaone | jaebird: qtopia is less hungry since it doesn't use a full X-server |
| 03:21.20 | jaebird | OpenMoko uses GTK+...+ |
| 03:21.32 | jaebird | alphaone: ah yes...I remember |
| 03:21.53 | jaebird | so maybe OpenMoko - X with GTK on framebuffer might fit |
| 03:21.57 | alphaone | But having an X server makes many things easier :-) |
| 03:22.01 | jaebird | agreed |
| 03:22.21 | jaebird | plus X is just cooler...nx server etc |
| 03:22.31 | SuN | What's really taking up that much memory? I've ran X on a 16MB 486 (slow, but usable). |
| 03:22.50 | alphaone | mickeyl mentioned a couple possibilities to optimize memory usage. We'll have to look into that |
| 03:23.11 | alphaone | SuN: What version of X was that? |
| 03:23.20 | jaebird | I'm sure it will get less...this thing hasn't quite been born yet! |
| 03:23.42 | SuN | One of the last XFree86 versions, right before most distros switched. |
| 03:24.19 | jaebird | hasn't X added a lot of stuff in recent years |
| 03:25.20 | SuN | jaebird: agreed, I feel optimistic about being able to slim things down without losing too much functionality. |
| 03:25.33 | alphaone | <LaF0rge> Mem: 52640K used, 74160K free, 0K shrd, 8K buff, 29704K cached |
| 03:25.44 | alphaone | That was memory usage on the neo |
| 03:25.50 | SuN | If a Jornada can run X in 32MB, I'm pretty sure it could be done on an E680, with some to spare. |
| 03:25.51 | jaebird | from: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.1/doc/RELNOTES2.html |
| 03:26.01 | jaebird | kdrive DDX has been integrated. This provides numerous low-footprint X servers for embedded systems, as well as several utility servers like Xephyr (an Xnest-like client) and Xsdl. |
| 03:26.23 | alphaone | openmoko is using kdrive |
| 03:26.34 | jaebird | cool |
| 03:26.48 | SuN | http://www.jlime.com/modules/mx_smartor/album.php?smartor_mode=album_pic&pic_id=71 <-that's IceWM + Dillo on a 32MB 133MHz Jornada. |
| 03:27.02 | SuN | If they can pull it off, we sure as hell can. |
| 03:27.59 | jaebird | we need to do a memory audit of each process to see where we can reduce the most |
| 03:28.00 | SuN | Yeah |
| 03:28.00 | jaebird | there might be a pig in there hiding somewhere |
| 03:28.10 | SuN | With some luck it's agpsd ;) |
| 03:28.20 | jaebird | maybe java is there...heheh |
| 03:28.24 | alphaone | Yeah, but their theme uses pixmaps almose everywhere |
| 03:28.25 | SuN | Hah |
| 03:28.44 | alphaone | But on the motorola their size should be reduced to 1/4 |
| 03:28.53 | jaebird | i remember using a 4mb background image in win95 once...almost crashed it |
| 03:29.03 | alphaone | :-) |
| 03:29.34 | alphaone | Big backgroung images in windows always slowed windows down |
| 03:29.53 | alphaone | They seem to rescale on every redraw |
| 03:29.59 | alphaone | or something |
| 03:30.14 | LoneStar | i noticed the FIC phone was equipped with 128M RAM, while EZX has only 48M |
| 03:30.19 | alphaone | Yup |
| 03:30.29 | jaebird | yeah...its like sure we'll show this 6megapixel image on 640by480... |
| 03:30.32 | LoneStar | will it matter? |
| 03:30.38 | alphaone | But the motorola processor has more power.. |
| 03:30.46 | jaebird | faster swapping :) |
| 03:30.52 | alphaone | :-) |
| 03:31.03 | alphaone | equals comparable speed :-) |
| 03:31.20 | jaebird | maybe we can use part of the ram for a compressed swap disc! |
| 03:31.27 | alphaone | LoneStar: The 48MB memory is a big resriction at the moment |
| 03:31.28 | LoneStar | 2410 is old and slow |
| 03:31.36 | jaebird | get around 64mb |
| 03:32.30 | alphaone | But I'm confident we'll solve that problem |
| 03:32.30 | alphaone | Interesting ides :-) |
| 03:32.47 | jaebird | yeah...always do...i remember when the WRT54G first came out, look how cool it is now |
| 03:33.25 | jaebird | well...good nite all! |
| 03:33.31 | SuN | G'night |
| 03:33.34 | alphaone | good night |
| 04:51.30 | alphaone | Good idea. good night all |
| 04:51.31 | SuN | G'night :) |
| 04:51.32 | LoneStar | G'night :) |
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| 15:20.44 | jeremy_laine | hello! |
| 15:20.57 | jeremy_laine | what is the status of the 2.6 kernel for A1200 in OE? |
| 15:21.42 | jeremy_laine | Despite a commit I saw back in january, the defconfig-a1200 file is missing from org.openembedded.dev |
| 15:22.37 | jeremy_laine | I was trying to build OE with DISTRO=angstrom and MACHINE=a1200 |
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| 16:47.56 | florian | hi |
| 17:20.41 | jeremy_laine | hi! |
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| 22:44.26 | ao2 | CIA? commit advertise? or something like that? |
| 22:46.47 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: yes, http://cia.navi.cx/ |
| 22:47.10 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Once I have fixed the locales problem on our svn host it should work |
| 22:48.03 | ao2 | yes, found it googling. Good. Hope to read CIA-7 messages a bit more often :) |
| 22:50.01 | koen | stefan_schmidt: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/a780/ |
| 22:50.22 | CIA-7 | OpenEZX: stefan * r1944 /trunk/doc/bootloader.txt: CIA post commit script test commit |
| 22:50.25 | CIA-7 | OpenEZX: stefan * r1945 /trunk/doc/bootloader.txt: |
| 22:50.25 | CIA-7 | OpenEZX: * Remove bootloader doc. This info is already in the relevant places. boot_usb |
| 22:50.26 | CIA-7 | OpenEZX: README and wiki. |
| 22:50.26 | CIA-7 | OpenEZX: * Also CIA test |
| 22:50.55 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, locales work better, but still ugly formatting |
| 22:51.17 | stefan_schmidt | koen: yay, thanks a lot. I'll try later this night. :) |
| 22:56.35 | ao2 | koen, fix permissions, please |
| 22:57.36 | koen | ao2: done |
| 22:57.48 | ao2 | thanks |
| 22:58.57 | ao2 | koen, sorry, I still can't get .bz2 archives |
| 22:59.19 | koen | it works over here.... |
| 23:00.19 | ao2 | ok, dumb me |
| 23:20.59 | CIA-7 | OpenEZX: stefan * r1946 /trunk/src/kernel-2.6/patches/ (77 files in 3 dirs): |
| 23:21.00 | CIA-7 | OpenEZX: * Start to have the quilt patchset under version control. |
| 23:21.00 | CIA-7 | OpenEZX: * Initial ezx8 import. |
| 23:22.29 | ao2 | good :) |
| 23:23.32 | stefan_schmidt | The next days I go through my mess called openezx project dir and see if anything is missing. And start to remove many things |
| 23:37.51 | mickeyl | cool |
| 23:42.59 | florian | stefan_schmidt: very nice |
| 23:43.25 | stefan_schmidt | That was needed for a long time. :( |
| 23:44.00 | florian | stefan_schmidt: i intended to ask about it several times :-) |
| 23:44.11 | stefan_schmidt | Time to get work done, have fun and earn money. |
| 23:44.37 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Just pester me more often. :) |
| 23:45.03 | florian | stefan_schmidt: i have all of these... but now i lack the time to do things i should do. |
| 23:45.34 | stefan_schmidt | :( |
| 23:46.03 | florian | stefan_schmidt: oh... i don't complain :-) |
| 23:46.07 | stefan_schmidt | btw, if anybody get his hands on a Rizr Z6 let me know. I like to see if we can get boot_usb working with it. |
| 23:46.29 | stefan_schmidt | florian: heh |
| 23:46.50 | stefan_schmidt | florian: But things you should do came back to you after some time. :) |
| 23:46.56 | florian | oh right, that would be an interesting one :-) |
| 23:47.47 | florian | stefan_schmidt: they do... things like finishing my studies. |
| 23:47.49 | stefan_schmidt | I heard rumors about a single cpu layout. No separate BP. Would be crazy I think. But just rumors |
| 23:47.56 | florian | e.g. |
| 23:48.08 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Oh, your not finished? Not good |
| 23:49.19 | florian | stefan_schmidt: I know people have this working with linux already... |
| 23:50.10 | florian | stefan_schmidt: that's the way i started too... in fact i did this even before starting to study. |
| 23:50.22 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Selfcompiled kernel? |
| 23:51.07 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Yeah, I think it's a good way. Perhaps harder then needed, doing both the same time, but still good. |
| 23:51.09 | florian | stefan_schmidt: ah no... these sing-cpu setups. |
| 23:51.20 | stefan_schmidt | florian: ah, interesting |
| 23:51.36 | stefan_schmidt | florian: binary gsm modul? |
| 23:52.01 | stefan_schmidt | florian: But carriers must have horror fantasy about it |
| 23:53.21 | florian | stefan_schmidt: true... but i really like the fact to get to know the differences between theory and life :-) |
| 23:53.51 | florian | stefan_schmidt: apart from the fact that noone can teach you experience |
| 23:54.04 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Oh yes. Learning all this theorie don't help you much getting a coding job done. |
| 23:55.12 | stefan_schmidt | florian: I'm eager to see which route my freelance will take. |
| 23:55.17 | florian | stefan_schmidt: i'm nut sure if there is a linux based single cpu phone on the market at all, i don't even know if something like this ever left a research lab. |
| 23:56.09 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Would make sense. We will see what the future will bring us here. |
| 23:57.02 | florian | stefan_schmidt: yes about coding jobs, but it can be more... dealing with customers, understanding real life problems and multiple views on them... |
| 23:57.33 | stefan_schmidt | florian: (Oh yes)^2 :) |
| 23:57.50 | florian | :-) |
| 23:58.12 | florian | I'm sure this year will be an interesting one :-) |
| 23:58.19 | stefan_schmidt | full ACK |
| 23:58.25 | florian | well.. it already is |
| 23:58.37 | stefan_schmidt | gpephone, openmoko, many new linux phones.... |
| 23:59.19 | florian | and many many really big players |