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| 16:32.19 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 16:32.25 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: pong |
| 17:26.34 | mickeyl | hi guys |
| 17:29.02 | ade|desk | hey mickeyl |
| 17:31.42 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt congrats on the passthru |
| 17:32.37 | [g2] | you'll probably be porting the driver to x86, but I've got a couple ARM boards that have usb host controllers |
| 17:32.50 | stefan_schmidt | hi mickeyl, ade|desk, [g2] |
| 17:32.58 | [g2] | ARM9 / XScale |
| 17:33.50 | ade|desk | thanks for the reminder, must order the EP9302 board |
| 17:34.48 | ade|desk | anyone know of a cheap arm soc with usb host ? |
| 17:35.57 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: hmm, we think about porting to x86 as we don't have arm with usb host here. This would give us the chance at least to test the muc_cli driver. |
| 17:36.24 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: It would be good anyway if the driver would run on other platforms, too. |
| 17:36.35 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt probably a great chances as I've got extra hw and an a780 :) |
| 17:37.37 | stefan_schmidt | I'm not sure right now how Haralds new TS07.10 implementation for openmoko will cover this. |
| 17:38.30 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt good question. I'm really intrested in openmoko long-term |
| 17:38.40 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: Sorry, I don't got this. (I really need to polish my english). You will try to get it working on one of your arm boards? |
| 17:39.27 | stefan_schmidt | The major problem we need to focus is still the power off. |
| 17:40.06 | stefan_schmidt | We have something to do the next days, but hopefully will have one or two full days on this problem in december. |
| 17:40.07 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt I'd look into putting a switch to the power supply |
| 17:40.36 | [g2] | then having the A780 plugged into the wall via a transformer that's switch controllable |
| 17:41.02 | [g2] | ideally, software switch controllable |
| 17:43.29 | stefan_schmidt | ok, so you can power on and off with software. |
| 17:44.19 | stefan_schmidt | You still need to write 0x12345678 at 0xA0000000 before you can reboot and enter passthrough mode |
| 17:44.50 | stefan_schmidt | I really hope that the turn off in passthrough is only due to lack of communication with AP. |
| 17:45.39 | stefan_schmidt | But to verify this a x86 port or someone with arm + usb-host board is needed. |
| 17:46.12 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt I've got a couple ARM + USB hosts |
| 17:46.37 | stefan_schmidt | For now we wait for the JTAGKey from vmaster and will try JTAG. |
| 17:46.55 | [g2] | nod. sorry about the 2.7V issue |
| 17:47.08 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: yes, so you will try to test this? |
| 17:47.44 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: np, I read about this as I informed myself about the tiny. But I did not get that this could be a problem with our target board. |
| 17:48.13 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: And even the wiggler needs 3V -3.6V |
| 17:48.47 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt you may be able to get a refund on the Tiny |
| 17:49.39 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt Ok, to talking BP pass-thru testing |
| 17:50.27 | [g2] | A) we download a little program via the usb to write 0x12345678 to 0xA0000000 then wait-and soft-reboot correct ? |
| 17:50.45 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: We can use the JTAG from vmaster for some time. At least a month. |
| 17:51.08 | [g2] | right but I'm not JTAG enabled |
| 17:51.15 | [g2] | on the A780 |
| 17:51.43 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: I'm not sure about to pay 139Eur for the new JTAG even if I get a full discount of 29Eur for the tiny. |
| 17:53.14 | [g2] | nod. that makes a lot of a sense. and vmaster has offered to share his adapter |
| 17:53.44 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: The small program sounds like a good idea. No idea if we can write direct to this adress. devmem uses /dev/mem for this. |
| 17:56.43 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt you know how we use u-boot to dl a kernel via USB ? |
| 17:57.38 | [g2] | or something statically built |
| 17:57.55 | [g2] | from an arm-elf toolchain |
| 17:58.30 | stefan_schmidt | yes, assembler or staicly linked could be worth a try. I'll think about it. |
| 17:58.45 | stefan_schmidt | What do you mean with u-boot? |
| 17:59.04 | stefan_schmidt | First download u-boot and communicate with this one afterwards over usb? |
| 17:59.32 | stefan_schmidt | blob in EZX |
| 17:59.40 | [g2] | ok blob |
| 17:59.43 | [g2] | THX |
| 17:59.50 | stefan_schmidt | We will use u-boot later. When the openmoko stack is running. |
| 18:00.15 | [g2] | are you planning on switching to the openmoko on the moto hw ? :) |
| 18:00.20 | stefan_schmidt | Harald has added the usb firmware update standard to u-boot. |
| 18:00.37 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: exactly |
| 18:00.38 | neolynx | re |
| 18:00.40 | neolynx | hello :) |
| 18:00.41 | stefan_schmidt | wb neolynx |
| 18:00.49 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt really!?? |
| 18:00.59 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: Yes, why not? |
| 18:01.05 | neolynx | stefan_schmidt: what is the correct kernel to apply the ezx7 ? |
| 18:01.15 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: 2.6.16 |
| 18:01.24 | neolynx | stefan_schmidt: ok |
| 18:01.30 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: The software stack is exactly what we need. |
| 18:01.41 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt because $350 buys not having to deal with a bunch of undoc'ed hw |
| 18:01.42 | neolynx | stefan_schmidt: problem: touchscreen is messy, everything is clicked twice |
| 18:01.47 | neolynx | stefan_schmidt: emu doesn't work |
| 18:01.50 | stefan_schmidt | Of course we have to do our own kernel stuff. |
| 18:03.02 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt I think there are 2 reasons to hack hw |
| 18:03.29 | [g2] | 1) Becuase one can and you want to really learn about it |
| 18:03.46 | [g2] | 2) To do something not already done or some task |
| 18:04.08 | [g2] | clearly I believe that #1 is a great merit all in itself |
| 18:04.22 | [g2] | however, often it's just to get to #2 |
| 18:04.41 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: I will buy a neo myself. But I like to see openmoko running on more then FIC phones. EZX, HTC perhaps greenphone... |
| 18:05.11 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt right. That'll be the open source whoop-a** |
| 18:05.36 | [g2] | us open sources can easily migrate platforms with a BSP port |
| 18:05.42 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: To 1: This totaly matches. This is my first embedded linux project and I really like to get deeper in this stuff. |
| 18:06.43 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: To 2: We still need to free the EZX hardware. But existing PDA software is not useable for a phone. So openmoko as userspace software stack is the right choice. |
| 18:07.46 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: heh. We will see. |
| 18:08.23 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: Linux on smartphones really lokes like a place hacking for fun and profit. :) |
| 18:08.34 | [g2] | JTAG, kernel hacking, etc... get out while you can man! |
| 18:09.22 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, perhaps you're right.... |
| 18:10.12 | stefan_schmidt | ...No. I really like to do this. :) |
| 18:10.58 | neolynx | fun :) |
| 18:11.33 | [g2] | neolynx porting an alsa driver ? |
| 18:11.42 | neolynx | yep |
| 18:11.56 | [g2] | ezx ? |
| 18:12.12 | neolynx | a780 |
| 18:12.46 | [g2] | on the 2.4 or 2.6 stuff ? |
| 18:13.31 | stefan_schmidt | port from 2.4 to 2.6 I guess. |
| 18:13.33 | stefan_schmidt | bbl |
| 18:13.47 | [g2] | cheers |
| 18:14.00 | [g2] | any j2me ppl around ? |
| 18:15.24 | neolynx | 2.6 |
| 18:16.01 | neolynx | but I'm still trying to get the thingie work before I can code |
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| 18:21.19 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: I can help you later. Need to wash clothes now. |
| 18:21.37 | neolynx | stefan_schmidt: ok :) |
| 18:21.44 | neolynx | have a good wash |
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| 18:36.39 | stefan_schmidt | hi ares |
| 18:36.53 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: I have some minutes now. What's your problem? |
| 18:37.37 | neolynx | I have a opei image |
| 18:37.54 | neolynx | but the usb is not recognized as net |
| 18:38.07 | stefan_schmidt | ok, the one from mickey? |
| 18:38.10 | neolynx | and the touchscreen has some problems |
| 18:38.13 | neolynx | maybe |
| 18:38.18 | neolynx | do you have another image ' |
| 18:38.19 | neolynx | ? |
| 18:38.32 | stefan_schmidt | no |
| 18:38.42 | stefan_schmidt | Have you build it on your own? |
| 18:38.58 | neolynx | no, just copied the copilot data into it |
| 18:39.11 | stefan_schmidt | why this? |
| 18:39.28 | stefan_schmidt | you can't use copilot with opie |
| 18:39.32 | neolynx | so I can mount the ext3 flash card in my phone when using it |
| 18:39.40 | neolynx | (as phone) |
| 18:39.46 | neolynx | and have copilot working as well |
| 18:40.29 | stefan_schmidt | with a ext3 kernel module for the 2.4? |
| 18:40.33 | neolynx | yes |
| 18:40.38 | neolynx | works very well :) |
| 18:40.41 | stefan_schmidt | Ah, you only have _one_ microSD, right? |
| 18:40.46 | neolynx | yes |
| 18:40.49 | stefan_schmidt | ok |
| 18:41.09 | neolynx | I have the PCAP2 EMU compiled in the kernel |
| 18:41.19 | stefan_schmidt | So which one does not recognize your usbnet: host or phone? |
| 18:41.29 | neolynx | host |
| 18:41.58 | neolynx | the zaurus module doesn't recognize the phone, and does nothing |
| 18:42.07 | neolynx | it works with the 2.4 kernel |
| 18:42.27 | stefan_schmidt | usbnet is also loaded? |
| 18:42.35 | stefan_schmidt | as module on the host |
| 18:42.38 | neolynx | does the module need initialization in any way ? something my opie image is missing ? |
| 18:42.46 | neolynx | usbnet is also there, yes |
| 18:43.58 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, your .config for the phone kernel is configured for usb gadget net? |
| 18:44.28 | neolynx | # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_NET2280 is not set |
| 18:44.38 | neolynx | # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_PXA2XX is not set |
| 18:44.56 | neolynx | I have no usb gadget net... |
| 18:45.25 | stefan_schmidt | moment |
| 18:46.28 | neolynx | Symbol: USB_NET_CDCETHER [=n] |
| 18:46.30 | neolynx | das da ? |
| 18:46.58 | stefan_schmidt | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0AgtWT77.html |
| 18:48.17 | stefan_schmidt | From the defconfig-a780 in our patchset... |
| 18:48.36 | neolynx | the exactely what I have |
| 18:48.57 | neolynx | I don't need CDC_ETHER on the phone, right ? |
| 18:49.07 | neolynx | btw: I used the defconfig-a780 |
| 18:49.57 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, this is strange |
| 18:50.12 | neolynx | jup |
| 18:50.48 | neolynx | the second problem is, that the touchscreen is spooky, means that a click clicks on the last clicks position |
| 18:51.00 | neolynx | so the konsole in the opie is not really usuable either |
| 18:53.33 | stefan_schmidt | I have not used ts for a while, using usbnet instead, but it should work better. |
| 18:53.51 | stefan_schmidt | recalibrate? |
| 18:54.42 | stefan_schmidt | Can you start your tests from a clean 2.6.16 kernel tree with only ezx7 applied? |
| 18:55.37 | neolynx | well, the recalibration never finishes... |
| 18:55.46 | neolynx | this is what I've done |
| 18:55.58 | neolynx | vanilla 2.6.16, ezx7 |
| 18:56.08 | neolynx | default-a780.config |
| 18:56.33 | neolynx | is this working on your phone ? |
| 18:59.36 | stefan_schmidt | I tested it on my A780 before I released ezx7, so it should. :) |
| 18:59.51 | stefan_schmidt | I don't have my setup here right now. Can't test it. |
| 19:00.34 | neolynx | ok |
| 19:00.35 | neolynx | thanks |
| 19:00.47 | neolynx | I'll be back later |
| 19:01.17 | ao2 | neolynx, I'll check if I have a stable situation on my A780, if yes I can send you kernel+opie_image |
| 19:01.17 | neolynx | maybe I just continue on the ezx6 (where touchscreen was working, but usbnet didn't) |
| 19:01.31 | neolynx | ao2: this would be great :) |
| 19:02.00 | ao2 | btw, are you thinking to use the asoc layer in your alsa port? |
| 19:02.07 | neolynx | I might sound stereotype, but I'm going to have a fondue now :) |
| 19:02.37 | ao2 | don't put too much wine in it :) we need you awake |
| 19:02.41 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: JFYI, have a look at linux-arm-kernel for the asoc driver. |
| 19:02.42 | neolynx | ao2: well, I talked to harald, and neither alsa nor asoc do really corespond to what we have in the phone |
| 19:02.58 | ao2 | ah, I see |
| 19:02.59 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: I'm not sure if I read something about such a driver. |
| 19:03.02 | neolynx | so I first gonna write a plain alsa driver |
| 19:03.06 | stefan_schmidt | It should be worth a look. |
| 19:03.29 | neolynx | stefan_schmidt: looked at it... |
| 19:03.55 | neolynx | after a first hacky alsa driver I'll better understand this DMA stuff |
| 19:04.20 | neolynx | which will enable a port to asoc I think |
| 19:04.49 | stefan_schmidt | ok, I just wanted to tell you before wasting time... |
| 19:06.14 | neolynx | :) |
| 19:06.55 | neolynx | cu later |
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| 21:54.09 | florian_ | hi all |
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| 22:08.41 | stefan_schmidt | hi florian_ |
| 22:13.42 | florian_ | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 22:22.38 | ao2 | neolynx, with the following combination I have a quite usable setup |
| 22:22.57 | ao2 | this opie image: http://people.openezx.org/mickeyl/images/opie-image-a780-20060529204745.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 22:23.17 | ao2 | this kernel binary: http://shell.studenti.unina.it/~ospite/tmp/zImage-2.6.16.13-a780-20060530+lilpatch.bin |
| 22:23.40 | ao2 | on the host side you have to use the usbnet driver to have networking with your a780 |
| 22:26.58 | ao2 | I haven't found yet the kernel config I used to build that binary |
| 22:48.45 | ao2 | 'night |