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| 00:15.41 | proberts | Hi - Can the framebuffer and audio devices be accessed via /dev from user-space on EZX (ROKR E2) and if so can anyone recommend an open-source app to examine that does it? |
| 01:12.40 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: E2 is a problem as it is more locked done then A780 for example. |
| 01:12.55 | proberts | :( |
| 01:13.14 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: They used somekind of selinux to disbale some directory listing etc. |
| 01:14.02 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: I'm not sure if access to framebuffer and audio will be granted. |
| 01:14.02 | proberts | I read that, and someone was working to try to disable it. I guess I can hope...I just ordered an E2 today. |
| 01:14.35 | proberts | OpenEZX replaces the Motorola EZX completely, right? (Sorry - totally new to EZX) |
| 01:15.19 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: We are on the way. Still fighting with low-level kernel problems. |
| 01:15.41 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: End result should be a conmplete free software stack. |
| 01:15.51 | proberts | That'll be cool. |
| 01:16.08 | stefan_schmidt | exactly :) |
| 01:16.45 | proberts | I have two weeks to try to hack the E2 to make it run a "demo-able" version of some software my company makes. Hopefully I can get somewhere. :P |
| 01:16.56 | stefan_schmidt | oh, it's already 2am here. Need to sleep. cu all |
| 01:17.06 | proberts | thanks Stefan :) |
| 01:17.20 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: oh, two weeks is hard. |
| 01:17.29 | stefan_schmidt | good luck. |
| 01:17.41 | proberts | thanks |
| 01:18.27 | proberts | Yeah - It's only to see "what can be done"... we're petitioning for the real API and toolchain though. I don't know how long that process will take. This is just a head start. |
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| 02:17.34 | proberts | Anyone know where I can find the source for the app Cap_E2? (Chinese screen capture app for the ROKR E2...) |
| 02:25.12 | proberts | (homebrew app for the E2) |
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| 09:45.54 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:38.40 | stefan_schmidt | hi all |
| 10:40.01 | florian_kc | hi stefan_schmidt |
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| 15:49.09 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 15:49.30 | florian_kc | stefan_schmidt: wb |
| 15:57.33 | _dion_ | stefan_schmidt: |
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| 19:30.25 | stefan_schmidt | hi kenws _dion_ jim_rayner |
| 19:30.53 | jim_rayner | hi stefan_schmidt, how's the studying? |
| 19:31.29 | stefan_schmidt | jim_rayner: getting better all the time. |
| 19:31.46 | stefan_schmidt | jim_rayner: The first two weeks every semester are a pain to organize. |
| 19:34.41 | _dion_ | stefan_schmidt: |
| 19:35.33 | jim_rayner | stefan_schmidt: you're a star, handling studies and openezx (plus mails on openmoko I see) |
| 19:35.39 | stefan_schmidt | _dion_: What do you like to ask me? Don't be shy. It#s the second time you only wrote my name and stop then. :) |
| 19:36.05 | stefan_schmidt | jim_rayner: heh, thanks. |
| 19:36.46 | stefan_schmidt | jim_rayner: Somebody has to help the openmoko guys to handle all the questions. They should be able to focus on devel. |
| 19:37.34 | jim_rayner | stefan_schmidt: totally agree |
| 19:38.10 | stefan_schmidt | jim_rayner: It's amazing how many people gets interested in such a phone. It'S a good sign. |
| 19:39.06 | koen | it is the first phone that is actually open |
| 19:39.06 | koen | no weird selinux shit |
| 19:39.17 | koen | no "pay $99309402385934 for our 'open' sdk" |
| 19:39.55 | stefan_schmidt | koen: righto |
| 19:42.07 | koen | and 'lots of coverage' + 'open mailinglists' = lots of noise |
| 19:42.23 | koen | still a very cool project, though |
| 19:42.45 | koen | I'd move my birthday forward a month to get one ;) |
| 19:43.06 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 19:43.45 | nh_work | koen: It has a ton of potential. :) |
| 19:43.50 | stefan_schmidt | I hope the noise will go down over the next week. |
| 19:44.14 | koen | I hope people will acquire basic google skill over next week |
| 19:44.23 | nh_work | heh |
| 19:44.43 | koen | "OMG no bl3ut00th" |
| 19:44.57 | koen | and proper quoting |
| 19:45.15 | nh_work | koen: yeah, though part of that is too many sources quoting different things. |
| 19:45.35 | koen | I quote either harald or mickey ;) |
| 19:45.43 | koen | s/;/:/ |
| 19:45.51 | nh_work | koen: that's a good policy. :D |
| 19:46.18 | koen | their blogs + openmoko.com seems to have all info |
| 19:46.44 | koen | minus a few things we saw in their svnweb before they secured it |
| 19:47.32 | stefan_schmidt | koen: heh, I just had one short look. Thought I can came back later... :) |
| 19:47.58 | stefan_schmidt | At least we can offer links to already dicussed questions in one week. |
| 19:48.21 | koen | yeah |
| 19:48.34 | koen | but mailinglists readers have the memory of a goldfish |
| 19:48.45 | koen | what was I talking about again? |
| 19:48.53 | nh_work | say, as long as we are in the openezx channel, anyone know much about selinux? ;) |
| 19:49.19 | nh_work | Apparently my E2 showed up today, so I'm going to see what I can do in terms of getting into it. |
| 19:50.13 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: Good to know we have one more E2 tester now. |
| 19:50.22 | proberts | Hey :) My E2 is on the way. The selinux and Motorola policy source is available from the Motorola GPL site. |
| 19:50.46 | nh_work | stefan: yeah, I couldn't wait for the FIC phone once I found out it was likely going to be January before anyone would get it. |
| 19:50.53 | stefan_schmidt | There were some short mails about the A1200. Contains some description of the selinux problem. |
| 19:51.21 | stefan_schmidt | Please fill up wiki and ml with new informations. |
| 19:51.43 | proberts | sorry... been a long time since I've used IRC... |
| 19:51.56 | nh_work | proberts: excellent, I'll have to dig into it. I want to find out how their security domains are set up. |
| 19:52.05 | koen | stefan_schmidt: see 'introduction' on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ |
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| 19:52.48 | proberts | nh_work: You haven't happened to see source code for Cap_E2 (Chinese homebrew screen cap util for E2)? |
| 19:53.13 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Yes, I already read it. It's a good policy, but enforcement is hard. |
| 19:53.32 | koen | stefan_schmidt: it's something you can point whining people to |
| 19:53.42 | stefan_schmidt | koen: heh |
| 19:53.44 | koen | 'contribute or get lost' |
| 19:53.46 | nh_work | proberts: nope. I've seen that question asked before though... Did you post it on opensource.motorola.com? :) |
| 19:53.53 | koen | but in a more subtle way |
| 19:54.29 | proberts | nh_work: No... just here yesterday. Looks like it's just dumping dev/fb0 so hopefully the complete devfs can be accessed from userspace. |
| 19:55.02 | proberts | nh_work: Or at least with the right firmware. |
| 19:55.16 | nh_work | proberts: that would be nice. There's a lot of tinkering to do. |
| 19:56.14 | proberts | nh_work: There's some chatter about it on e2mod.com and rokre2.jconserv.net, but nothing technical unfortunately. |
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| 19:58.03 | nh_work | proberts: yeah, I read those forums relatively often. motomodders.net is pretty useful too. |
| 19:58.20 | florian | re |
| 19:58.24 | nh_work | motorolafans.org has been dead wrt the E2 for a while though. |
| 19:59.20 | proberts | nh_work: Cool. thanks |
| 19:59.50 | nh_work | stefan: do you remember where those emails regarding the a1200 selinux stuff were? |
| 20:00.09 | stefan_schmidt | openezx-devel |
| 20:01.01 | nh_work | cool, thanks |
| 20:01.13 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: 2006-07-15 at 13:00 | Sebastian Ohl | (0.7K) Booting my own kernel on my A1200/MING |
| 20:01.27 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: To lazy for searching the archive right now. |
| 20:01.42 | nh_work | that works |
| 20:01.45 | florian | Oh btw... i did some research on this too. |
| 20:02.09 | stefan_schmidt | florian: And find a way to hack it? ;) |
| 20:03.05 | florian | stefan_schmidt: it seems to be quite complicated... especially because the bootloader does not seem to be the same like on the device. |
| 20:03.34 | florian | from what i read in its code boot_usb should work for us... but it doesn't |
| 20:05.00 | nh_work | hrm. |
| 20:05.26 | stefan_schmidt | florian: If I understand it right they have some micro bootloader which loads blob which loads kernel. |
| 20:05.48 | stefan_schmidt | florian: That way they prevent us from interact with blob from the bootloader mode. |
| 20:06.41 | stefan_schmidt | florian: As we don't have the code for the micro bootloader we only can re the communication with it. |
| 20:06.58 | florian | stefan_schmidt: the blob code makes sure we can't write to other adresses than ram with that one command, but the response i got was different. in fact i could write to other adresses... with useless results of course |
| 20:07.51 | stefan_schmidt | florian: hmm, but communication with boot_usb and A1200 starts? |
| 20:07.53 | florian | stefan_schmidt: well.. ther is some communication, but not like expectd |
| 20:08.07 | stefan_schmidt | florian: ok |
| 20:08.17 | florian | stefan_schmidt: yes, even the jump commands work... but not to ram adresses |
| 20:09.22 | florian | stefan_schmidt: oh btw... there is a key combination in bootloader mode that seems to activate BP access |
| 20:09.38 | stefan_schmidt | florian: neat |
| 20:09.48 | stefan_schmidt | florian: what can you do with it? |
| 20:10.19 | florian | stefan_schmidt: no idea, i didn't have time to do much with it at all. |
| 20:10.53 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, it seems I really need one of this new phones to get a better understanding for them. |
| 20:10.53 | florian | stefan_schmidt: poke me again tomorrow, i need to check which combination that was and i forgot the a1200 at kc |
| 20:11.16 | florian | stefan_schmidt: they are pretty nice... |
| 20:12.56 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Thanks for tellinmg me this as I have none. ;) |
| 20:13.51 | nh_work | stefan: hopefully they'll come down in price. :) |
| 20:14.20 | nh_work | stefan: I almost got an E2 off ebay for $185US. Too bad he tried to cheat me. :) |
| 20:14.45 | stefan_schmidt | ~change 185 USD to EUR |
| 20:15.15 | stefan_schmidt | that would be a relly cool price. But only if you get the phone. |
| 20:15.38 | nh_work | yeah, instead I ended up paying $227 from a reputable seller. |
| 20:15.44 | nh_work | ~change 227 USD to EUR |
| 20:16.21 | florian | hrmm... i wonder how many gadgets i would be allowed to take home from china ;) |
| 20:17.00 | nh_work | bbiab |
| 20:17.03 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: This price is almost good, too. |
| 20:17.11 | stefan_schmidt | florian: NOt as many as you like. :) |
| 20:18.43 | proberts | Which RAZR model is Linux based? |
| 20:18.59 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: None |
| 20:19.35 | stefan_schmidt | bbl |
| 20:20.13 | proberts | stefan_schmidt: There's got to be at least one...I'm reading a developer memo that refers to a linux-based RAZR. |
| 20:21.04 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: uh, let me know if you find out which one. |
| 20:21.33 | proberts | stefan_schmidt: I can call and ask. It might be an upcoming model. The same memo is about the US release of the ROKR E2 (looks like $49 on contract) |
| 20:23.46 | florian | stefan_schmidt: :-) |
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| 20:28.23 | proberts | stefan_schmidt: ??? I was told RAZR V4 and the guy who wrote the memo (non-technical) said he doesn't know if it's linux, but it's not "the old one" .. which I think he means it's not the P2K API. So it may not be Linux - it might be a newer version of P2K. |
| 20:42.21 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: ok. |
| 20:48.08 | proberts | Have any of you guys played with non-Motorola Linux phones? |
| 20:50.01 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: Me not. |
| 20:50.37 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: yet |
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| 21:22.24 | nh_work | back |
| 21:22.46 | nh_work | stefan: I ordered my E2 from a place in Canada. |
| 21:23.07 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: ok |
| 21:25.33 | nh_work | www.puremobile.com |
| 21:26.26 | nh_work | or www.puremobile.ca for the canada site. It apparently arrived at my house at 9:30am... only 17 hours after I ordered it! O_O |
| 21:26.29 | proberts_ | nh_work: How much did you pay incld. shipping? |
| 21:27.03 | nh_work | proberts: I did 1-2 day shipping. Total was $256, but I got a free car charger because I'm a howardforums member. :D |
| 21:27.51 | proberts_ | nh_work: Is that $255 CDN or US? (and are you in the US or Canada?) |
| 21:28.21 | nh_work | proberts_: $256US. I'm in Minnesota (US) |
| 21:28.29 | proberts_ | $256 rather.. :P I'm so used to typing that number as 0x100 |
| 21:28.38 | nh_work | lol |
| 21:29.08 | nh_work | So over $50 more than I would have paid if my ebay auction had worked out, but oh well. |
| 21:29.55 | nh_work | At least this way I got the phone fast. I had to wait 5 weeks before paypal finally made my ebay seller refund my payment, and he's trying all kinds of tricks on ebay. |
| 21:30.12 | proberts_ | Yeha - but you didn't have to deal with some guy in his living room selling grey-market phones on eBay. :) |
| 21:30.28 | proberts_ | Oh - sorry - I guess you did have to. :( |
| 21:30.28 | nh_work | He tried to report me as a non-paying-bidder, but I replied and now he's trying to get his ebay seller payment back by claiming we mutually cancelled. |
| 21:30.55 | nh_work | proberts_: yeah, I reported him to the FTC. :) |
| 21:31.25 | nh_work | Atleast I got my money back after 5 weeks. >:| |
| 21:31.36 | proberts_ | Sucks you had to wait so long. |
| 21:32.04 | nh_work | proberts: yeah, he kept claiming he had shipped it, and when the phone never arrived he'd make up an excuse and claim he'd ship it out the next day. |
| 21:33.09 | proberts_ | I had some guy do that with a PC I bought from eBay. At least the people at eBay know they have to aggressively go after fraudsters or people won't trust them anymore (like what happened with uBid) |
| 21:34.04 | nh_work | yeah, I hope they get this guy. |
| 21:34.29 | nh_work | Oh well... Now I just need to wait to get home. :) |
| 21:34.33 | proberts_ | This Canadian site looks pretty good. Are there any other good (reputable) sites you've picked up phones from? |
| 21:36.29 | nh_work | proberts_: The only other place that I haven't seen any bad reviews for is importgsm.com, but it's rather expensive. |
| 21:37.08 | proberts_ | Yeah- I've seen that one. They are expensive. |
| 21:37.46 | nh_work | most people on howardforum give hi-mobile.com decent reviews, so some people have complained. mobilebee.com and myworldphone.com seem to get mixed reviews. |
| 21:38.15 | nh_work | plemix.com seems like it mostly gets good reviews with a couple of bad ones. |
| 21:39.36 | proberts_ | I hadn't heard of plemix- thanks. I've been trying to find sources overseas, since most places here in the US sell the imported phones for so much mroe. |
| 21:42.22 | nh_work | proberts: plemix is rumored to be x1387 on ebay. |
| 21:42.42 | nh_work | His feedback there isn't the greatest, but he's moved a ton of inventory. |
| 21:57.46 | proberts_ | It's amazing how shady the whole mobile phone industry is. |
| 21:58.43 | proberts_ | When Compgeeks.com has phones, they're usually priced well. But they don't have phones all the time - they deal mainly in inventory close-outs. |
| 22:04.54 | proberts_ | I got my E2 from mobilecityonline.com for $199 + $12 2-day shipping (open box unit)... hopefully it'll show up. |
| 22:18.25 | nh_work | wow, that's a great price |
| 22:19.15 | proberts_ | nh_work: Yeah - if I get it :P |
| 22:19.22 | nh_work | heh, true |
| 22:22.19 | nh_work | proberts: looks like a lot of people on howardforums have ordered through them. |
| 22:22.47 | nh_work | "they aren't 'the best,' but they'll get it done." |
| 22:23.02 | proberts_ | Cool - thanks for looking them up. :) |
| 22:23.15 | nh_work | heh, no problem. :) |
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| 23:33.29 | stefan_schmidt | night all |
| 23:35.12 | florian | stefan_schmidt: good night |