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| 08:14.56 | ao2 | hallo |
| 08:15.24 | ao2 | a Rokr E2 review: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8243331060.html |
| 08:16.47 | ao2 | the UI seems to be called Chameleon |
| 08:18.16 | ao2 | maybe the more interesting info I read on the article is that LinuxDevices received the sample unit from _Trolltech_ and not from Motorola :) |
| 08:19.48 | ao2 | On OSnews Eugenia took care to specifie: no SDK available :) |
| 08:20.19 | ao2 | s/specifie/specify |
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| 08:31.38 | LaF0rge | ao2: thanks for the info |
| 08:32.28 | ao2 | LaF0rge, you're welcome |
| 08:33.01 | LaF0rge | I'm currently consulting with my lawyers on what to do. I guess since they're not sold outside china so far, all we can do is public shame+blame |
| 08:35.23 | ao2 | maybe OSNews can help you in a shame'n'blame campaign |
| 08:35.49 | ao2 | you and _us_ I mean :) |
| 08:37.10 | LaF0rge | I have lots of press contacts, don't worry. but first I have to decide that this is really the best way to go. |
| 08:37.58 | ao2 | ah, right. |
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| 13:12.47 | LaF0rge | mickey seems to have an incredibly long breakfast today ;) |
| 13:13.32 | stefan_schmidt | I think he will just change from breakfast to zzZzz. ;) |
| 13:14.07 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: btw, the e680 arrived today. Nice toy. |
| 13:14.43 | stefan_schmidt | I think i start some tests tonight when my flat cooled down. :) |
| 13:18.51 | LaF0rge | stefan: great! |
| 13:19.24 | LaF0rge | I'm currently sorting out some bootloader / jtag issues with my S3C2410 devel boards. once that is finished, I can get back to ts0710/gprsv work |
| 13:19.53 | LaF0rge | My BASE Voice+Data flat will arrive on monday... guess I'll need to do lots of tests that could become expensive otherwise |
| 13:20.17 | LaF0rge | I've also ordered another Eplus prepaid, so I can test voice and SMS for no additional service charges |
| 13:20.48 | stefan_schmidt | cool |
| 13:21.33 | stefan_schmidt | BASE flat combo is really nice. Two friends of mine owns once. Is very nice to have internet mostly everywhere. |
| 13:22.41 | LaF0rge | stefan: yes. I need to work out some "email push" kind of stuff for my cyrus imapd + asis (my isync fork) . that way I could push new emails of certain folders onto the phone (or even the zaurus) |
| 13:23.00 | LaF0rge | but well, that's one of the less important todo's. |
| 13:25.09 | LaF0rge | stefan: I'm using the GPE todo + outliner for that stuff now (on the zaurus). |
| 13:26.23 | stefan_schmidt | ah, yes, you ordered an zaurus. |
| 13:26.42 | stefan_schmidt | So you prefer GPR over OPIE atm? |
| 13:28.20 | LaF0rge | stefan: I don't really like GPE either. but I definitely want to have X. |
| 13:28.23 | LaF0rge | matchbox is fine, too |
| 13:28.31 | LaF0rge | but not having x really sounds scary. |
| 13:28.57 | LaF0rge | there was some work on OPIE on top of 'real' qt rather than QT/E, but I think it isn't maintained anymore. |
| 13:28.57 | stefan_schmidt | yes porting every app sounds like a really bad idea. :( |
| 13:29.34 | file | oh noes I'm awake |
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| 13:31.22 | blkhawk | lo |
| 13:31.28 | stefan_schmidt | hi blkhawk |
| 13:34.24 | LaF0rge | cu |
| 13:50.31 | LaF0rge | stefan: you forgot to commit the image into the 'homepage/output/images' directory |
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| 15:01.48 | LaF0rge | GPRS flatrate SIM module has just arrived :) |
| 15:02.06 | LaF0rge | bad thing: that operator has no reception at my office desk. I have to go to the window ;) |
| 15:04.17 | LaF0rge | 800/900MHz propagation is just way better than 1600. |
| 15:04.42 | SuN | 1600 in Europe? Non-existent, I'd say :) |
| 15:05.01 | TommyMT | I just installed stefan's openezx-logo into the wiki |
| 15:05.27 | Hopscotch | touchdown : Jul 15 17:02:54 : tk : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/1 ;PWD=/mnt/storage/www/wikis/openezx/skins/common/images ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/cp /home/tk/ezxwiki-logo.png ./wiki.png |
| 15:05.31 | stefan_schmidt | TommyMT: Thanks |
| 15:05.46 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: banner is added, update now... |
| 15:06.23 | LaF0rge | stefan: good. |
| 15:06.23 | TommyMT | Hopscotch: ned petzen :)( |
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| 15:06.46 | LaF0rge | hi hopscotch ;) |
| 15:06.56 | LaF0rge | seems we're almost complete in the channel today again. |
| 15:07.18 | stefan_schmidt | Yes, it's fine to see we make progress again. :) |
| 15:07.54 | jonwil | how close are we to having ap<->bp communication, who is working on it and what is the next step? |
| 15:08.14 | LaF0rge | did somebody see jonwil saying 'jehova' ? |
| 15:08.26 | jonwil | no, I didnt say that |
| 15:09.04 | jonwil | does anyone know of an idea how to get ap<->bp communication working without flashing over kernel or blob or both? |
| 15:09.16 | jonwil | or is flashing over the only answer? |
| 15:09.29 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: we still don't know |
| 15:09.57 | LaF0rge | jonwil ;) |
| 15:10.06 | stefan_schmidt | but we'll working on this problem with high priority |
| 15:10.11 | jonwil | what we need then is for someone to just try replacing kernel or blob and seeing if it works |
| 15:10.14 | LaF0rge | jonwil: that subject is almost a trigger for me these days (trigger to destroy something) |
| 15:10.19 | jonwil | and if bp comes up in mode we can talk to it in |
| 15:11.32 | jonwil | I think that we should try to initalize all hardware of ezx phone in the same ways as motorola did instead of trying hacks like "rebooting" BP side after AP side has already initialized |
| 15:11.34 | jonwil | but thats just me |
| 15:13.31 | jonwil | oh btw, we need to keep pushing motorola to publish more source code (e.g. kernel for E2 ROKR, bootloaders for A1200 and E2) |
| 15:14.14 | jonwil | my contact at moto hasnt responded to an email for weeks now :( |
| 15:14.49 | LaF0rge | jonwil: holiday season... |
| 15:15.31 | jonwil | I have gotten ooo messages from him before but none now so I dont know... |
| 15:18.14 | stefan_schmidt | perhaps it's the same problem as earlier. lawyers... |
| 15:18.57 | jonwil | I do know they mentioned that with a1200 bootloader, they changed it around so that most of the work is done by propriatory code (flashing for example) and then it calls blob to do work of loading linux kernel |
| 15:20.18 | jonwil | hmmm, I wonder if published a1200 kernel contains source for E2, maybe it does |
| 15:20.47 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: where do you get this infos? I think i missed some bits about the A1200. |
| 15:21.16 | jonwil | the info about bootloader came in email from moto contact about why it was taking time to release bootloader for a1200 |
| 15:21.40 | stefan_schmidt | ok |
| 15:22.41 | stefan_schmidt | After releasing the kernel modules under GPL i thought moto got the message. :( |
| 15:23.06 | jonwil | I think development people (those who post stuff to opensource.motorola.com) got message but legal people havent |
| 15:23.21 | stefan_schmidt | yeah |
| 15:23.24 | jonwil | also, they need to make sure they clearly remove all propriatory stuff from whatever they release |
| 15:23.26 | jonwil | thats the main thing |
| 15:23.59 | jonwil | for example, if "open" code parts of a1200 bootloader contain infos in comments etc that talk about propriatory parts, that has to be cleaned up |
| 15:24.38 | jonwil | I suspect "CLEAN" means free of propriatory stuff |
| 15:24.45 | jonwil | plus, they need to remove things like peoples names and identifying information that shouldnt be made public |
| 15:25.00 | jonwil | they dont want people learning about internal email system from reading published source code for example |
| 15:26.50 | stefan_schmidt | That's ok. You can most of this enforce by commit policy inside the version control system. |
| 15:34.48 | jonwil | if its anything like the places I have worked, they probobly have some kind of peer-review of code before its given the ok |
| 15:35.19 | jonwil | and no doubt on something as complex (and as hard to patch later) as a phone, many eyes see it and test it before its actually shipped to the customer |
| 16:34.12 | blkhawk | why can't they just can the whole propriatory stuff and just build the thing fully OS |
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| 18:51.37 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|breakfast, koen: It is a good idea to get the whole oe-ezx stuff in the middle of your monotone migration? |
| 18:57.35 | koen | stefan_schmidt: sure |
| 18:57.45 | koen | stefan_schmidt: the server will be read-only till the switch |
| 18:58.00 | koen | so you can still get it |
| 19:06.27 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Thaks. Should i use monotone 0.25 or 0.27, if i pull now? |
| 19:06.40 | stefan_schmidt | s/Thaks/Thanks/ |
| 19:08.06 | koen | .25 |
| 19:08.26 | stefan_schmidt | koen: ok |
| 19:10.54 | ao2 | koen: are motonone 0.27 and 0.26 compatible? (I ask because in debian there is a package for 0.26) |
| 19:11.24 | koen | ao2: yes |
| 19:11.39 | koen | and 0.28 is compatible with .27 and .26 |
| 19:11.43 | koen | s/is/will be/ |
| 19:12.14 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: 0.27-1 is in unstable now. |
| 19:12.41 | ao2 | ah, really? I checked just two days ago. Good. |
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| 20:49.27 | stefan_schmidt | koen: monotone: misuse: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads |
| 20:49.48 | stefan_schmidt | koen: The wiki says i have to inform developer about that. :) |
| 20:51.19 | stefan_schmidt | koen: How can i select one head? It's the second time i use monotone and it's still odd. |
| 20:53.40 | stefan_schmidt | koen: It's gone now. I forget how fast are you. :) |
| 21:09.43 | ao2 | I never tried gpe, stefan_schmidt let us know your impressions |
| 21:10.32 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: I think it will take some time until the build is finished. I let you know |
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