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| 05:25.27 | LaF0rge | just deleted the deadphones page now |
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| 06:54.09 | stefan_schmidt | gug |
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| 07:18.40 | ao2 | hi |
| 07:20.52 | AndiM | hi |
| 07:21.22 | AndiM | tested Opie rootfs binary with latest kernel binary on E680 yesterday, *very* impressive! |
| 07:21.40 | AndiM | And no, ts on E680 isn't really "broken" |
| 07:22.54 | AndiM | it's somewhat "cranky", but not "broken" |
| 07:24.07 | AndiM | what didn't work: LCD backlight setting (most certainly expected?) and battery status (dito?). And most likely many other things that I didn't realize since I didn't look very long. |
| 07:25.05 | AndiM | My E680 is a HK version from 03/2005, shipped with latest E680(non-i) firmware version. |
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| 07:41.46 | _bambam | moin |
| 08:02.35 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:06.48 | stefan_schmidt | AndiM: mickey|bbiab is working on the backlight and for battery status we need AP<->BP communication, which is not ready yet. |
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| 08:50.57 | LaF0rge | stefan: not true. we can read the ADC values directly from pcap |
| 08:51.01 | LaF0rge | no need to go via BP |
| 08:53.50 | webmind | good morning |
| 08:54.37 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: oh, i did not know this. I thought BP was the only way. Thanks for clarification. |
| 09:19.51 | LaF0rge | stefan: motorola does it via BP, but there's no need for it |
| 09:23.38 | stefan_schmidt | yes, that was my mistake. I think if moto does it that way, it's the only way. I should know it better. ;) |
| 09:28.34 | AndiM | LaF0rge: there's no *known* need for it, right? It could be synchronization issues, maybe? (bypassing the BP and thus not informing it that you are accessing that stuff...) |
| 09:33.50 | LaF0rge | there are no sync issues, since AP and BP have their own register set |
| 09:34.07 | LaF0rge | you just need to sync between ts and other adc users on the AP. |
| 09:34.28 | LaF0rge | yes, i could be wrong. but I think it's unlikely in this case ;) |
| 11:16.13 | [g2] | I've been reading throught the wiki, I was thinking of putting together a very simple slide set with block diagrams of the hw layout for the a780 |
| 11:16.34 | [g2] | is something like this already available ? Would anyone else find this useful ? |
| 11:18.04 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: I would found it usefull. |
| 11:18.45 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt Ok then if nothing is available I'll start working on something |
| 11:19.31 | stefan_schmidt | I think there is nothing available. |
| 11:20.29 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt there's certainly something available :) |
| 11:20.31 | [g2] | http://www.portelligent.com/channels/wireless/Motorola_A780.aspx |
| 11:20.44 | [g2] | heh, but I don't think we want to spent $2.4K :) |
| 11:24.35 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: Yes, TimRiker mentoined this before. But 2.4K$ is to much and i'm not sure of the legal status for development. |
| 11:25.30 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: JFYI: http://blog.openvz.org/ It seems IPV6 and bridging is on the way. |
| 12:12.06 | [g2] | are there hardware pictures anywhere ? |
| 12:54.01 | mickeyl | morning |
| 12:56.04 | stefan_schmidt | wb mickeyl |
| 12:58.16 | AndiM | BTW, are there any audio player (/packages) for the Opie image? |
| 12:58.33 | AndiM | would like to test audio... |
| 13:01.26 | mickeyl | audio is not done yet |
| 13:01.38 | mickeyl | you can try opie-mediaplayer when it's done |
| 13:01.47 | mickeyl | (audio, that is. opie-mediaplayer is done :) |
| 13:02.39 | mickeyl | for the e680 someone needs to port the 'boomer' driver (national semiconductor LM4xxx) |
| 13:02.48 | mickeyl | for the a780 i dunno offhand |
| 13:03.43 | mickeyl | btw., backlight driver is working, just needs cleanup and some power bits. ETA at weekend :) |
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| 13:31.04 | AndiM | mickeyl: new kernel image then, right? ;) |
| 13:31.13 | mickeyl | yeah. |
| 13:31.29 | AndiM | mickeyl: and does this require Opie fs updates, too? |
| 13:31.46 | AndiM | (IOW, is it a generic interface or not?) |
| 13:32.33 | mickeyl | it is a generic interface in kernel 2.6, but Opie has to support 2.4 as well and that's why we have a HAL in opie that needs to be teached which capabilities a kernel has. IOW, yes, you need to update one package. libopiecore |
| 13:33.00 | [g2] | mickeyl I've got to run out now, but the OE build from yesterday worked great on the a780 |
| 13:33.07 | mickeyl | good to hear! |
| 13:33.10 | mickeyl | cu |
| 13:33.12 | [g2] | good work |
| 13:33.23 | mickeyl | thanks :) /me points to Harald and Stefan |
| 13:33.35 | [g2] | yes all around |
| 13:34.05 | AndiM | hmm, I'm not sure whether backlight is more important than audio support ;) (ok, only an issue on E680, of course) |
| 13:35.20 | AndiM | I need svn to get to the ezx kernel branch, right? |
| 13:35.44 | mickeyl | dunno what's more important. I keep tackling the things that I can. I'm hacking kernels since 1 week :) |
| 13:36.07 | AndiM | thinking of boomer driver work, but I guess I really need a working toolchain in order to really be able to do stuff. |
| 13:36.22 | mickeyl | AndiM: why don't you just download OE and bitbake e680-kernel. |
| 13:36.30 | mickeyl | after that you have the kernel source and a toolchain |
| 13:37.01 | AndiM | mickeyl: my build PC would be isolated, without internet connection... |
| 13:37.16 | mickeyl | oh. that's tough. |
| 13:37.42 | AndiM | IOW, I'd have to import everything. |
| 13:38.11 | AndiM | But OTOH I'd only need an initial setup to be able to fix the boomer driver. |
| 13:38.24 | mickeyl | well, in that case. use OE and bitbake it and then copy the OE tree over to your build machine. |
| 13:38.33 | mickeyl | OE only needs internet once - to download the sources |
| 13:38.59 | mickeyl | after then it always gets the stuff from a cache dir |
| 13:45.40 | AndiM | mickeyl: ok, I'll try to get something built on an internet box. that should help me understand what the exact problems with boomer are. |
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| 13:48.14 | stefan_schmidt | bye |
| 13:54.27 | mickeyl | good. the 2.4 boomer driver uses oss, getting it ported to 2.6 would involve rewriting it to use alsa. |
| 13:55.08 | AndiM | hrmm. I could do it, but would it be easier to coerce it into 2.6 OSS in the beginning? |
| 13:55.19 | AndiM | but OTOH ALSA drivers aren't hard... |
| 13:56.40 | mickeyl | excellent. alsa has much more of the audio infrastructure in place that we need on phone. so all in all the alsa driver would perhaps be simpler than recreating all the stuff they had to tinker with to get it running with oss. |
| 14:09.04 | AndiM | mickeyl: I can not even imagine how much of a pain it must be to coordinate all those audio requirements on a phone using an OSS driver... |
| 14:10.30 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:26.06 | LaF0rge | mickeyl: did you actually look at the audio subsytem? its definitely more complex than any random pc sound card |
| 14:26.39 | LaF0rge | with bluetooth audio coming in over ssp, switching between multiple speakers, input from analog headset, line-out, etc. |
| 14:28.53 | mickeyl | yes. that's why i think that porting it to alsa will come more natural. since alsa is prepared for multiple paths |
| 14:29.14 | mickeyl | not telling that it will be easy at all :D |
| 14:34.08 | LaF0rge | no. also, the new driver should use arch/arm/mach-pxa/ssp.c |
| 14:36.05 | mickeyl | yeah |
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| 14:46.25 | mickeyl | wb stefan_schmidt |
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| 21:50.14 | ao2 | bye |