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06:48.23Hopscotchgood morning
07:36.06LaF0rgegug
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07:50.02stefan_schmidthello
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08:04.39blkhawk[work]lo
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12:13.41stefan_schmidtLaF0rge: btw, i found out yesterday, that LDD 3rd covers 2.6. So i'll buy this one.
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12:18.25stefan_schmidtao2: hi
12:18.38ao2hallo
12:20.08ao2can I pubblicize the logo contest on a Italian forum about Computer Graphics? More the partecipants better chance to have a really effective logo.
12:20.56stefan_schmidtao2: Of course. The contest is free for everyone.
12:21.49ao2maybe telling the OsNews guys can be useful, there is Eugenia Loli-Queru (the Osnews.com lady) that have a A780 herself
12:22.24ao2s/have/has :) nevermind
12:27.12stefan_schmidtYes, press would be good, too. You like to telling them?
12:30.41ao2I will try to contact Eugenia and let you know
12:30.47stefan_schmidtthanks
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15:11.29blobsterHas someone made any decisions about whether we use gpe or opie?
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15:17.14LaF0rgeno, I'm not really skilled in UI stuff, so I'll first have to look at whats available
15:17.46Hopscotchafter owning a sharp zaurus and having experimented with gpe as well as with opie
15:17.52blobsterok... Just thought that I've been trying to get gpe working with the devel environment
15:17.58Hopscotchi can only say that both suck in their own ways...
15:18.29blobsterGpe might be a little easier to modify..
15:18.46Hopscotchprobably
15:18.57Hopscotchqtopia is broken by license
15:20.05blobsterand gpe is easier to integrate with x-server..
15:20.19blobsterThe developement emulator looks kinda cool :D http://www.students.tut.fi/~enne/emu.jpg
15:21.03Hopscotchmockup?
15:21.18ao2:) does it [will] use qemu?
15:21.25blobsternot yet
15:21.43blobstertrying to make it similar with the maemo stuff..
15:21.51SuNMy vote is for GPE.
15:22.31Hopscotchwe could try to port familiar
15:22.33Hopscotchthen we don
15:22.35LaF0rgehas anyone of you ever written a touchscreen driver before?
15:22.39blobsterI thought that I could make two different targets. One for host-pc and one for arm..
15:22.40Hopscotch't have to decide
15:22.46fileoh I Just can't wait to be king
15:23.01LaF0rgebasically there seem to be two sets of x/y coordinates.
15:23.13SuNHopscotch: point is, developing apps that are able to use the phone are going to take alot of work.
15:23.32SuNIMO it's impossible to get a working platform quickly if you divide attention over 2 platforms.
15:23.49SuNOf course, people will fork anyway, so ignore that :)
15:24.15ao2LaF0rge, I never written one, but i think that _in general_ the screen resolution and the touch sensor can have different _resolutions_
15:24.16SuNIt's not exactly trivial though.
15:24.28LaF0rgeao2: yes, it has different resolution.
15:24.30ao2so some interpolation is needed
15:24.32blobsterLaF0rge: could those coordinates be some kind of a rect
15:24.41LaF0rgeao2: yes, that's not the problems.
15:24.48SuNLaF0rge: this is not pressure sensitivity?
15:24.54ao2ah, sorry. I was just guessing
15:25.14ao2so, what is your actual problem?
15:25.22LaF0rgesun: so basically you get one set of coordinates for smapp pressure, and another one for high pressure?
15:26.26LaF0rgeao2: my problem is to know what kind of inputs I actually have and how to distinguish a regular 'move mouse pointer' from a 'button press'
15:26.51SuNLaF0rge: I'm not sure, but because you're saying you're getting more than x/y, I'm assuming there's more than meets the eye, and the first thing I can think of is pressure.
15:27.21HopscotchLaF0rge: you can
15:27.22SuNLaF0rge: maybe the Zaurus drivers can provide an answer.
15:27.29HopscotchLaF0rge: you can't have "mouse moves" with a touchscreen
15:27.36Hopscotchit's always a click when it is touched
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15:27.49SuNThere's drag though.
15:28.16blobsterLaF0rge: Could the first x,y-coordinate be the upper-left corner and the second lower-right of the pressurearea?
15:28.37LaF0rgeblobster: no, i get four values from the ADC
15:28.41LaF0rgetwo of them are x/y coordinates
15:28.55blobsterhmm. ok
15:29.48ao2some timing info?
15:30.16LaF0rgehopscotch: ok, makes sense (although it could be different
15:30.38LaF0rgeso why has PCAP different modes (such as pressure measurement _or_ coordinate read)
15:30.52SuNHm, that'd mean you'd press the entire screen if your fingers are large enough :)
15:31.29LaF0rgeas of now, I can start a coordinate read, and get back the interrupt on which i can read the x/y coordinates.  I could put that in a timer and have a polling driver
15:31.37LaF0rgebut the original driver also has a 'touch interrupt'
15:33.04Hopscotchis it possible that you only get an interrupt when you have a not_touched->touched transition (or the other way round)
15:33.07Hopscotchjust edge triggered
15:33.25LaF0rgeas of now, i don't get those interrupts (though they are enabled
15:33.45Hopscotchhmmm, strange
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16:36.47blkhawkjust installed my new speedport W501V router
16:36.49blkhawk:D
16:37.27Hopscotchno linksys with openwrt?
16:39.37blkhawkHopscotch: i killed that one :/
16:39.45blkhawkbut guess what was in the package
16:39.58blkhawkthe thing is a router+modem combo
16:40.07blkhawklets play 20 questions
16:40.09blkhawk:)
16:40.48Hopscotchohmy...
16:40.49blkhawkHopscotch: I managed to kill it when soldering
16:40.53Hopscotchouch
16:40.56blkhawkya
16:41.01Hopscotchwhat did you try to connect?
16:41.02blkhawkok questions start :)
16:41.07blkhawksdcard reader
16:41.10Hopscotchah, right
16:41.25Hopscotchwe have jtag here - and we
16:41.26blkhawkbasically the lan chip doesn't get initalized anymore
16:41.31Hopscotch've needed it more than once
16:41.48Hopscotchlan chip? you mean the switch?
16:41.54blkhawkya
16:42.02blkhawkthat chip needs to get initalized on boot
16:42.04Hopscotchsounds like a dead gpio
16:42.07blkhawkya
16:42.09blkhawkwell
16:42.10blkhawkyes
16:42.18Hopscotchhey, i did bootloader hacking on that thing...
16:42.19blkhawkthere is a little smd bug on that line
16:42.29blkhawkand i ran openwrt on it
16:42.39blkhawkanyway lets play 20 questions
16:43.04blkhawkguess what was in the package that was unusual - or rather i saw it for the first time
16:43.16Hopscotchschematics? :)
16:43.21blkhawkno
16:43.24blkhawkwarm
16:43.39Hopscotchhmmm
16:43.42Hopscotchservice manual?
16:43.49blkhawka bit colder
16:44.18Hopscotchscrewdriver?
16:44.22blkhawkcold
16:44.37Hopscotchenough cables?
16:44.42blkhawkheh
16:44.44blkhawkcold
16:44.50blkhawkarctic frost
16:44.59Hopscotchwlan card?
16:45.04blkhawkcold
16:45.04blkhawkno
16:45.15Hopscotchgimme a hint
16:45.44Hopscotchwritten handbook?
16:45.48Hopscotch"manual"
16:45.51blkhawkwarm
16:45.54blkhawkwarm
16:45.59Hopscotchin german?
16:46.04blkhawk:P
16:46.06blkhawkcold
16:46.14blkhawkthe document is in english
16:46.21blkhawkmanual is in german
16:46.27Hopscotchhui
16:46.28Hopscotchhmmm
16:46.40Hopscotchfirmware assembly listing?
16:46.43blkhawk:P
16:46.45blkhawkcold
16:46.54stefan_schmidt"How to flash open source firmware?"
16:46.59blkhawkwarmer
16:47.14stefan_schmidtGPL source code on cd
16:47.21blkhawkHOTHOTHOT
16:47.25blkhawknearly there
16:47.27Hopscotchwhoooha
16:47.30Hopscotchgpl written offer :)
16:47.33stefan_schmidtGPL LICENCE
16:47.40blkhawknot quite but good enought
16:47.44blkhawkYAAAAAAAAA
16:47.48blkhawkstefan_schmidt: wins
16:47.58stefan_schmidtyeah
16:47.59Hopscotch:)
16:48.12stefan_schmidtHopscotch: Thanks to point me the direction
16:48.15blkhawkand actual bona fide piece of paper with "GPL ver2" written on it
16:48.25Hopscotchharald
16:48.32Hopscotch's learning by pain seems to work :)
16:48.43blkhawkI will make a pic
16:48.47blkhawknot much to see tho
16:48.51blkhawkits small
16:48.54stefan_schmidtYes, this is nice to see.
16:48.56blkhawkonly one A$
16:49.10blkhawkA4
16:49.51stefan_schmidtLink to the source code or source on cd?
16:50.03blkhawkno cd
16:50.11blkhawkbut the source is online
16:50.17blkhawkit was for the w500v
16:50.34blkhawkthis machine feels a lot more solid tho
16:50.36stefan_schmidtokay
16:50.37blkhawkwell a bit
16:51.06blkhawkI think it will also be online for the 501
16:51.11blkhawkwill track it down later
16:51.29blkhawkharald might want to see it ;)
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17:25.24blkhawk[zzz]yay
17:25.28blkhawk[zzz]telnet works :D
17:25.34fileo rly?
17:25.37blkhawk[zzz]ya
17:25.41blkhawk[zzz]to my router
17:25.44fileneat
17:25.58stefan_schmidtroot without password?
17:34.24blkhawk[zzz]no
17:34.34blkhawk[zzz]same as for the webunterface
17:34.47blkhawk[zzz]the way this is done is a tad bit scary tho
17:35.02blkhawk[zzz]you basically flash a tar.gz script as firmware
17:43.46blkhawkhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/blkhawk/148266345/
17:43.53blkhawklook what i found
17:48.40stefan_schmidtblkhawk: Hey, you was at What The Hack.
17:48.50stefan_schmidtLook at the image: http://www.datenfreihafen.org/index.html
17:49.08stefan_schmidtWas a nice camp.
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18:05.00blkhawkstefan_schmidt: indeed it was ;)
18:05.08blkhawkand i were at WTH
18:05.19blkhawkcan't wait for the next CCC camp
18:20.55blkhawkheh
18:21.29blkhawkofterschwang
18:21.36blkhawkwhere that?
18:21.41blkhawk*is
18:23.24stefan_schmidthttp://www.lugcamp.org/anreise.html
18:26.31stefan_schmidt635 KM from me (Braunschweig)
19:09.36blkhawk350km from here
19:10.15Hopscotchmore than 400 from here
19:11.00blkhawkcouldn't pay for either gas nor entry fee
19:11.09blkhawkmuch less both
19:11.12blkhawksigh
19:11.28Hopscotch:(
19:11.28blkhawkI wish i wouldn't have a job
19:11.35blkhawktheh i would have more money
19:11.38Hopscotch?!
19:11.42blkhawkya
19:12.38Hopscotchnormally people work to get money
19:12.46Hopscotchbesides wallstreet freaks...
19:13.30blkhawkya
19:13.54blkhawkbut lets say i have around 160EUR less money now (after rent)
19:14.17blkhawkthan when i got my check from the man ;)
19:14.30Hopscotchyeah, same here
19:14.35blkhawkI'm working on a remedy from that
19:14.48blkhawkbut takes a lot of paperwork
19:15.12blkhawkbasically i don't earn enough to qualify for some subsedies for my rent
19:15.16blkhawkO_o
19:15.49Hopscotchnot enough for subsidies?
19:16.22Hopscotchsounds weird...
19:16.55blkhawkya
19:17.07blkhawkbasically they don't belive i can live on that
19:17.31Hopscotchso they don't give you anything?
19:17.45Hopscotchsounds like a pretty good trick to save some money
19:19.00blkhawkya
19:19.12blkhawkits meant to root ourt people who don't decalre anything
19:19.21blkhawkbut it gets better
19:20.11blkhawkthen i got some money - some means 80EUR
19:20.12blkhawkthat 80 eurs meant I was only 150eur from what i made before
19:20.19blkhawkonly it kkinda disqualified me from everything else
19:20.36Hopscotchohmy...
19:20.47Hopscotchgermany is broken by design...
19:22.28blkhawknot really I'm just "special"
19:22.30blkhawk:P
19:22.37Hopscotchhehe :D
19:22.47blkhawki kinda found a crack in the regulations
19:23.03blkhawkthe nice lady said to me i should get myself a second job
19:23.17blkhawkbedides the 9hours a day job I have :P
19:23.35Hopscotch24-9 is 15
19:23.53Hopscotchsubtract 8 for sleep and 2 for showering and eating you got 5 left :)
19:26.01blkhawkpffft
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19:53.43TommyMT2 hours for showering?!
19:54.24ao2it sounds like "LaF0rge strikes back"
20:04.27LaF0rgewell, I don't need two hours for showering ;)
20:10.40blkhawkLaF0rge: got my new Router today
20:11.06blkhawkthat was in the box with it
20:11.07blkhawkhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/blkhawk/148266345/
20:16.02LaF0rgeI'm not surprised, after all I've had multiple gpl enforcements with Deutsche Telekom
20:30.01blkhawkanyway - i already modded the new router
20:30.11blkhawkits an AVM router in disguise
20:38.00LaF0rgeagain I'm not surprised ;)
20:38.19LaF0rgeI actually should have one somehwere on my pile of test purchases ;)
20:40.09blkhawkLaF0rge: you have test purchases ?
20:40.19blkhawkI wish I had ;)
20:41.31LaF0rgegpl-violations.org needs to do test purchases of all each and every device before taking legal action
20:48.28blkhawkah i see
20:48.45blkhawkso there was legal action with AVM? or telekom?
20:53.00LaF0rgeNot sure whether I can talk about the details
20:53.31LaF0rgetoo lazy to check now
21:02.50blkhawkhehe
21:04.32LaF0rgehey, I'm writing drivers here
21:07.27blkhawki did not say a thing
21:09.36LaF0rgetouchscreen driver almost working now
21:10.49blkhawk:D
21:14.33blobsterthat's great!
21:28.18LaF0rgeunfortunately it's not very efficient yet
21:51.57LaF0rgeyay
21:59.50file:)
22:00.31LaF0rgebit
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22:01.28LaF0rgetime to release a new ezx kernel
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22:05.15stefan_schmidtLaF0rge: congrats
22:06.31LaF0rgestefan: thanks
22:06.52Hopscotchyeah, from me as well :)
22:09.38LaF0rgehttp://people.openezx.org/laforge/kernel/patches-2.6.16-2.6.16.13-exz5.tar.bz2
22:09.55LaF0rgethats basically my current quilt patchset
22:10.04LaF0rgesomebody should try running one of the tiny x servers now
22:11.27stefan_schmidtYou use odd-numbered ezx versions because of dev-releases?
22:11.54LaF0rgestefan: no i just thought that one minor number increment is too little for the amount of progress being made ;)
22:12.13stefan_schmidt:D
22:12.37stefan_schmidtI test the patchset on my phone tomorrow
22:13.12LaF0rgedoes anyone have a clue about the current status of kdrive?
22:13.21LaF0rgewhat are OE using?
22:13.44stefan_schmidtdon't know
22:15.56LaF0rgesomebody should try to build OE for the A780
22:16.42Hopscotchyeah, that's probably a good idea (tm)
22:16.48Hopscotchbut a lot of struggle as well
22:17.40stefan_schmidtI think all the gui guys on the ml could start now.
22:18.00Hopscotchbytewürfeln :)
22:18.01stefan_schmidtIf we have all different systems running, we can decide. ;)
22:18.16LaF0rgehopscotch: well, it's my fastest machine
22:18.55Hopscotchsounds like monster, but are you sure the bytes always arrive where they belong?
22:19.46Hopscotchwe could just rip a working gpe installation from a zaurus and put it on a sd card
22:20.01Hopscotchthen tweak our kernel to use the correct init
22:20.14Hopscotchshould be enough to see at least the xserver boot
22:20.53stefan_schmidtHopscotch: Sounds like you want to volunteer here. ;)
22:21.09Hopscotchwell, the zaurus is here
22:21.14Hopscotchgpe is installed in no time
22:21.22Hopscotchonly the a780 is in tommy
22:21.31Hopscotch's office
22:21.39Hopscotchand i
22:22.00Hopscotch'm going to use bad language if i don't manage this keyboard any time soon
22:22.15stefan_schmidt:)
22:25.10stefan_schmidtLaF0rge: I think a new precompiled kernel with the mmc-ro.patch inside would be usefull for the testers.
22:26.01LaF0rgestefan: mh
22:27.59Hopscotchwell - good fight, good night
22:28.06stefan_schmidtLaF0rge: You don't like the idea, or you like _me_ to do it?
22:28.09stefan_schmidtHopscotch: night
22:28.58LaF0rgeI just don't want to do it now
22:29.02LaF0rgefeel free to do it yourself
22:30.14stefan_schmidtLaF0rge: other reasons then prefer coding?
22:30.45stefan_schmidtI can do it, but if there are good reasons i don't see at the moment, please enlight me.
22:30.47LaF0rgeno
22:30.52LaF0rgeno, there is no reason
22:30.57LaF0rgei'm just too busy
22:31.10stefan_schmidtThat is of copurse okay. :)
22:31.25stefan_schmidtI prepare one tomorrow
22:32.08stefan_schmidtI think we should unburden you a bit more.
22:36.42stefan_schmidtThe 32mb in the zImage names indicates a mem=32MB on the CONFIG_CMDLINE, right?
22:36.53LaF0rgeyes
22:37.04LaF0rgeit crashed with 48, that's why i went back to 32
22:39.03stefan_schmidtok
22:40.24LaF0rgeyet another issue to be investigated
22:41.08LaF0rgebut I actually think that by now all the hard bits are behind. maybe some minor issues with the complexity of the sound system, and maybe some specific extensions of ts07.10, but thats about it
22:42.18stefan_schmidtfine
22:42.40stefan_schmidtbut don't forget all this little nasty bugs. ;)
22:55.26stefan_schmidtnight
22:55.28LaF0rgeyes, but they can be fixed incrementally
22:55.51LaF0rgelets see how far 'oe task-bootstrap' will run
22:56.14stefan_schmidton ppc?
22:56.22LaF0rgeyes, on the quad g5 box
22:56.43LaF0rgemy office should be nice pre-heated tomorrow morning ;)
22:56.55stefan_schmidt:D

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