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00:28.51parmasterfinally, i have iptables for my phone
00:33.56stefan_schmidtwhat do you like to do?
00:57.46parmasteris ther ipnat for familiar yet?
01:18.23parmasteri'm going to get o.e. running
01:18.45parmasterso i'm ready with the crosscompiler and everything
01:19.38parmasteris there any good pre-built distro with oe?
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01:36.15stefan_schmidtnight
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08:30.54Hopscotchgood morning
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08:52.35ao2hallo
08:53.00blkhawklo
09:09.23stefan_schmidtmorning
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09:48.32blkhawkmorning
10:03.12ysakaed2morning, althought its 10pm here :)
11:34.11ao2bye
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12:56.19Hopscotchhmmm
12:56.28Hopscotchnow you left the original irc server
12:59.25TommyMTis someone here familiar with power distribution in teh A780?
13:01.27TommyMTLaF0rge: the reason for the non-working TransFlash card is that the card is not powered
13:02.00TommyMTLaF0rge: The card power line is zero and never changes during boot of the openezx-kernel.
13:02.32TommyMTLaF0rge: If I boot the orginal firmware the 2.7V are there.
13:15.13jonwilSome good news from my contact at motorola
13:15.18jonwil"Yes, we have the transflash, glibc, blob, kernel, etc. as well as gnu file utils, and other user space apps/libs source available. Send me your address and phone number (for shipping purposes only) and I'll cut a CD with everything on it and fedex it to you. "
13:15.24jonwilI am not in a position to recieve such a CD
13:15.37jonwilbut if there is someone else here who can have the CD sent to them...
13:17.17jonwilIf we have the actual transflash driver motorola used for A780 (which they can now release aparently) maybe the transflash issues can be sorted :)
13:18.56jonwilhmmm, guess no-one is here
13:19.24HopscotchTommyMT is currently working on transflash
13:20.02jonwilSo, we need to find someone who this CD can be sent to... :)
13:20.04Hopscotchproblem seems to be that the transflash-socket is not powered
13:20.18jonwilPosting to the mailinglist now to share the good news
13:20.34jonwilHopefully what ends up on this CD will help us out
13:22.32TommyMTjonwil: What does it take to receive this CD?
13:22.52jonwilWhat I said before is what the contact I have at motorola said
13:23.19jonwilbasicly, he said that he can cut a CD with the source code to the open source bits of the EZX phones and send it
13:23.27jonwilbut (for various reasons), I cant have it sent to me
13:23.36jonwilhence the desire to find someone else who it can be sent to
13:23.49blkhawkjonwil: those are good news
13:24.06blkhawkhell you could send it to me - i will put it up :P
13:24.12TommyMTjonwil: is an address in germany sufficent?
13:24.15blkhawkya
13:24.22blkhawkGermany here too
13:24.48blkhawkbut mr TommyMT might be more suited since he is ctually doing something
13:25.15jonwilwhat matters is getting this CD and then getting its contents uploaded somewhere for all of us to play with
13:25.24Hopscotchthat's the plan :)
13:25.25jonwilI am sure that an address in germany would probobly do
13:27.05jonwilok, looks like we got 2 addresses now
13:27.11jonwilso which one should I have him send to?
13:27.20jonwilhopscotch or tommy?
13:27.28Hopscotchthat's the same address
13:27.38jonwilaah ok
13:27.41jonwilhe wanted phone number too
13:30.30jonwilok, mail sent
13:30.38jonwilnow to wait and see what my contact says
13:31.01jonwilif he comes back and says that a german address is no good, we can find someone else :)
13:42.50stefan_schmidtjonwil: GErman address should be no problem. I get the second version of the kernel source send to my german address.
13:43.00jonwilok
13:43.18jonwilHopefully this CD cotaints usefull stuff
13:43.42jonwiland maybe it might even bring motorola closer to being GPL complient too
13:43.59stefan_schmidtperhaps it is a good idea to answer to an old thread with moto i have in my inbox.
13:44.35stefan_schmidtHe promised me to send my the transflash driver some month ago.
13:45.17jonwilaparently they had to get permission from the SD people before they could release that
13:45.28stefan_schmidti know
13:46.34stefan_schmidtHopscotch: Hopefully we can take the neccassary bits from the driver to get the 2.6 driver working.
13:47.17Hopscotchit seems all to be a problem with enabling power to the sd-socket
13:48.03jonwilFYI, I doubt we will be able to move to a more recent GCC
13:48.27stefan_schmidtbut how to switch on the power.
13:49.34Hopscotchjonwil: why?
13:49.43jonwilbecause of C++ ABI issues
13:50.04jonwilI dont think you can mix stuff compiled with G++ version 3.x (whatever it is motorola use) and G++ version 4.x
13:50.05Hopscotchah, you want to keep the existing binaries
13:50.16jonwilbut then again, I dont know if those issues happen with ARM
13:50.21jonwilsince I dont know anything about ARM
13:50.25Hopscotchimho g++ isn't a good idea anyways
13:50.35Hopscotchstill produces slower code
13:50.55jonwilwe should find out how the application side talks to the radio base side
13:51.12jonwilI think its mux_cli.o that does it
13:56.40stefan_schmidtI answered to an old thread with moto to get the new sources, too. Just to play it safe.
13:58.19stefan_schmidtHopscotch: Have you guys an idea how to enable the power to the sd-socket, or should we wait until we have the original driver and look at it?
13:58.32Hopscotchso far we don't have a clue
13:58.46Hopscotchwe known that one of the coprocessors is responsible
13:58.56Hopscotchaber we don't know how to tell it
14:00.24stefan_schmidtThere are too much processors in this phone anyway. :)
14:35.07TommyMTI already got 1.8V on the socket
14:35.34Hopscotchwhow
14:35.45TommyMTI'm gonna find myself something for breakfast now and then I'll continue
14:42.49stefan_schmidt2/3 of the needed power is quit good. ;)
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16:09.50TommyMTStrike!
16:10.14TommyMTGot 3.5V on the socket and the cardÄ's partition table was successfully read
16:35.56stefan_schmidtyeah
16:37.03stefan_schmidtwhat was neede to get power to the socket?
16:41.15stefan_schmidtbtw congrats
16:41.59TommyMThttp://wiki.openezx.org/Hardware::A780::PCAP2_Tables
16:42.13TommyMTI'll have a patch ready in a couple of minutes
16:42.38TommyMTthanks :)
16:42.41stefan_schmidtfine. I can test it.
16:55.01TommyMTok, I have to go now - my girlfriend is waiting... :)
16:55.25TommyMTin drivers/misc/ezx/ssp_pcap.c you find the following block:
16:57.54TommyMT{
16:57.54TommyMT<PROTECTED>
16:57.54TommyMT}
16:57.54TommyMTEXPORT_SYMBOL(SSP_PCAP_MMCSD_poweroff);
16:57.56TommyMTvoid SSP_PCAP_MMCSD_poweron(void)
16:57.59TommyMT{
16:58.01TommyMT<PROTECTED>
16:58.04TommyMT<PROTECTED>
16:58.06TommyMT}
16:58.09TommyMTexchange it with:
16:58.11TommyMTvoid SSP_PCAP_MMCSD_poweroff(void)
16:58.14TommyMT{
16:58.16TommyMT<PROTECTED>
16:58.21TommyMT}
16:58.24TommyMTEXPORT_SYMBOL(SSP_PCAP_MMCSD_poweroff);
16:58.26TommyMTvoid SSP_PCAP_MMCSD_poweron(void)
16:58.29TommyMT{
16:58.31TommyMT<PROTECTED>
16:58.36TommyMT}
16:58.39TommyMTthen you'll find:
17:00.00TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.00TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.00TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.00TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.00TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.02TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.05TommyMTexchange it with:
17:00.07TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.10TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.12TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.16TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.18TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.20TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.22TommyMT<PROTECTED>
17:00.25TommyMTTransFlash should be working then
17:01.11TommyMTI'll be back later this night - bye!
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17:17.15stefan_schmidtTommyMT: thanks a lot. I'll test it asap.
17:22.17blkhawkoh this is soo cool
17:27.03stefan_schmidthe mentoined ssp_pcap_main.c
17:41.05stefan_schmidtok, i can see a lot mmc messages.
17:42.38stefan_schmidtnext step should be prepare my micro sd card as rootfs
17:43.32Hopscotchrighto
17:43.44Hopscotchwhat kind of rootfs do you guys prefer
17:43.46Hopscotch?
17:44.03Hopscotchopenembedded?
17:44.27stefan_schmidti need a base system first
17:44.43stefan_schmidtsomething like busybox or a small debian
17:44.45Hopscotchmore like raw busybox rootfs?
17:44.46Hopscotchah, ok
17:45.12stefan_schmidtbut my problem is still i don't have a serial console
17:45.30Hopscotchwe should get that out of the way
17:45.40stefan_schmidtPErhaps harald release his usbnet patches soon
17:45.48Hopscotchbut i guess soldering on the pins is out of the question
17:45.58stefan_schmidtYes
17:46.09stefan_schmidtIt's my day by day phone
17:46.16Hopscotchouch
17:46.26Hopscotchfor opentom i did a telnet listening on bluetooth
17:46.27stefan_schmidtThinking about a devel phone, but the money...
17:46.49stefan_schmidthmm, this could also be interesting
17:47.11stefan_schmidtif i'm right bluez work with the chip already
17:47.22Hopscotchbt is connected via serial
17:47.37Hopscotchthere are only two distinct protocols for connecting a bt dongle over rs232
17:47.43Hopscotchbluez speaks both
17:48.33stefan_schmidtwhat do i need on the phone for this setup?
17:49.06stefan_schmidtsome special scripts i think
17:49.46stefan_schmidtok, first steps first.
17:49.58Hopscotchyou need to start the bluez stack which needs a rootfs
17:50.06stefan_schmidt1. put busybox for rootfs on the phone
17:55.31Hopscotchrighto
17:55.54Hopscotchand then crosscompile busybox, copy libc + support-libs and busybox onto the sd and go
17:56.12stefan_schmidtedit cmdline
17:56.15stefan_schmidtfor kernel
17:56.34Hopscotchthe kernel commandline should be compiled into the kernel
17:57.05stefan_schmidtyes, but at the moment it points to mtd2
17:57.14Hopscotchah, right
17:57.28stefan_schmidtwhats the right name for sd?
17:57.39Hopscotchmmcblk0p1 afaik
17:57.50Hopscotchbut only thomas can tell us if this is right
17:58.37stefan_schmidti think harald has write something like this, too. Blog or ml, that is the question.
17:59.16stefan_schmidtok busbox first.
18:05.46Hopscotchshould work on a serial shell
18:06.31Hopscotchbut a login is problematic because of libnss_dns and libnss_files
18:08.23stefan_schmidtfor the first test i only like to see that rootfs on sd works.
18:08.37Hopscotchok
18:08.38stefan_schmidtOf course this needs more work afterwards
18:11.42stefan_schmidtwhat minimal symlinks are needed?
18:12.55Hopscotchyou can trick "make install" to create a complete root-dir into your chosen prefix
18:13.01Hopscotchit will create all needed symlinks
18:13.49stefan_schmidtah fine
18:13.56stefan_schmidtgood to know
18:14.55Hopscotch( cd $(BUSYBOXSRC) ; applets/install.sh $(PREFIX) --symlinks )
18:15.15Hopscotchthat's how i do it for a different project
18:17.15stefan_schmidtok, i've changed PREFIX inside .config and it works fine
18:17.22Hopscotchperfect
18:17.30stefan_schmidtso static busybox is on the sd
18:17.42stefan_schmidtneed to change the cmdline
18:17.52Hopscotchshould be in kernel's .config
18:18.40stefan_schmidtyes indeed, need to search the right rootfs string again
18:19.20stefan_schmidtroot=/dev/mmcblk0p1
18:19.25stefan_schmidtfrom haralds mail
18:19.33Hopscotchah, perfect
18:19.52stefan_schmidtsame as you mentoined
18:20.15Hopscotchthen harald seems to be right :
18:20.16Hopscotch:D
18:20.32stefan_schmidt:)
18:20.54stefan_schmidtdo i really need rootfstype, if i use ext3?
18:21.15Hopscotchnormally not if ext3
18:21.22Hopscotchgrml
18:21.24Hopscotchnormally not
18:21.33Hopscotchbut be sure that ext3 is compile in statically
18:21.37Hopscotch+d
18:21.51stefan_schmidtof course. :)
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19:02.51stefan_schmidthmm, what is the best way to test now, if i#m really on sd card?
19:03.35stefan_schmidti tested init=/bin/bash and init=/bin/dmesg, but this shows nothing on the framebuffer.
19:03.53Hopscotchmount /dev/root / -o remount, rw && touch /testxyz
19:03.59Hopscotchmount /dev/root / -o remount,rw && touch /testxyz
19:04.09Hopscotchmount /dev/root / -o remount,rw && touch /testxyz && sync
19:04.12Hopscotch:)
19:04.37Hopscotchi guess getting this working without serial console is next to impossible
19:05.07stefan_schmidtdamn it
19:06.22stefan_schmidtif everything runs fine before i should be able to do something like init=/bin/liitle_c_prog_write_to_fb, right?
19:09.06Hopscotchdynamically linked it should work
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19:10.59stefan_schmidtwhat dynamicly linked, busybox or little_c_prog?
19:11.06Hopscotchargh
19:11.14Hopscotchstatically linked little_c_prog
19:11.19Hopscotchit's getting too late for me...
19:11.56stefan_schmidtthis make more sense
19:12.19stefan_schmidtis fb sdout?
19:12.27Hopscotchno
19:12.31Hopscotch/dev/fb0
19:12.42Hopscotchhmmm
19:12.53stefan_schmidtjust write strings to /dev/fb0??
19:12.54Hopscotchthe kernel comes up with a fbconsole running?
19:13.10stefan_schmidti'm not sure
19:13.24Hopscotchlittle pinguin in the top left corner?
19:13.24stefan_schmidti can only the the messages
19:13.34stefan_schmidtah, yes
19:13.41Hopscotchhmmm
19:13.52Hopscotchdid you create a /dev-directory?
19:13.55stefan_schmidtthis is fbconsole already?
19:13.58stefan_schmidtno
19:13.59Hopscotchyeah
19:14.09Hopscotchouch - busybox wants several devices in /dev
19:14.13Hopscotchlemmesee
19:15.02stefan_schmidthmm, why did the busybox make install don't do so, if busybox wants them.
19:15.13Hopscotchbecause this need to be done as root
19:15.20Hopscotchmkdir /dev/pts
19:15.50Hopscotchthen create /dev/console as character device 5:1
19:15.57stefan_schmidthmm, you're right. :)
19:16.44Hopscotchboot-skripts should mount /proc and /sys
19:16.51Hopscotchand /dev/pts
19:18.50stefan_schmidtcrw-r--r-- 1 root   root   5, 1 Apr 30 21:18 console
19:18.59Hopscotchlooks good
19:19.11stefan_schmidtwhich boot-skripts?
19:19.18stefan_schmidtinside busybox?
19:19.43Hopscotch/etc/init.d/rcS
19:20.01stefan_schmidtok, this is also need.
19:20.01Hopscotchthese need to be created by you - busybox doesn't ship with them included
19:20.17Hopscotchbut that's only needed if you want a shell
19:20.27Hopscotchfor a little_c_prog it's no showstopper
19:20.28stefan_schmidtsorry, it's my first linux from scratch. :)
19:20.36Hopscotchno problem
19:20.47Hopscotchi had these fights while creating opentom
19:20.57stefan_schmidt:)
19:21.13stefan_schmidtbtw, i saw your pres at 22C3. Funny
19:21.53Hopscotch:)
19:21.54Hopscotchthanks :)
19:22.06stefan_schmidtWith all this dev stuff i should test init=/bin/bash again
19:22.06Hopscotchthe other guy there was tommy
19:22.12stefan_schmidti know
19:22.20Hopscotchnope, init=/bin/sh
19:22.29Hopscotchbash is not installed with busybo
19:22.30Hopscotchx
19:22.48stefan_schmidtah, i see
19:22.52stefan_schmidtsh or ash
19:23.11Hopscotchsh should be a symlink to busybox as ash
19:23.29stefan_schmidtright
19:25.33Hopscotchhehe
19:25.58Hopscotchi'm off to some serious age of empires
19:26.11Hopscotchsince this has been a working day like the rest of the week
19:26.20stefan_schmidt:)
19:26.21Hopscotchand labour day tomorrow is going to be exactly that :|
19:26.36stefan_schmidtgood luck
19:26.39Hopscotchthanks
19:27.04Hopscotchonly one enemy on hard - i need some success today...
19:27.51stefan_schmidt:D
19:35.15stefan_schmidtstrike
19:35.31stefan_schmidtget a sweet sheel, so sd and busybox works
19:35.33stefan_schmidt:)
19:35.39stefan_schmidtHopscotch: thanks a lot
19:36.08Hopscotchno problem
19:36.34Hopscotchif it's ok for you you can tar the sd-contents and send them to tommy
19:36.53Hopscotchhe needs a rootfs as well and this would save him some time
19:37.06stefan_schmidtno problem, its a fresh sd card. :)
19:37.14stefan_schmidtwhere to send?
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19:44.34stefan_schmidtao2: hi
19:44.42ao2hallo
19:44.56stefan_schmidtbusybox on tf is working now on my A780 :)
19:45.09stefan_schmidtHopscotch and TommyMT have done great work
19:45.53ao2g r e a t
19:46.22ao2so there _is_ a tf driver?
19:46.23stefan_schmidti'm on the way to tar my rootfs as startpoint for others.
19:46.42stefan_schmidtIt's the native 2.6 driver
19:47.10stefan_schmidtThere was just some need to get power to the sd socket
19:48.11stefan_schmidtLet me some time and i wrote the stuff down. Don't like to tell it again and again. :)
19:48.33stefan_schmidtBut first i need to eat, girlfriend remembers me since 2 hour
19:48.36stefan_schmidts
19:49.06ao2take your time, really no problem
20:23.29TommyMTao2: correct, we have a TF driver :)
20:24.56ao2well, thanks
20:25.58stefan_schmidtTommyMT: Do you like to produce a patch we can add to our quilt patchset?
20:27.17TommyMTstefan_schmidt: I'm not familiar with quilt, but if you tell me what I shall patch against what, I'll be happy to do so
20:28.17stefan_schmidthmm, ok let me think again how it works...
20:28.18stefan_schmidt:)
20:28.42stefan_schmidtIt was a bit strange
20:28.57stefan_schmidtgive me a mom, i read the doc.
20:31.04stefan_schmidtTommyMT: You are using using haralds quilt patchset right now?
20:32.20TommyMTI think so. I got a directory full of diffs from him and applied them all
20:32.46stefan_schmidtwith patch or with quilt?
20:32.50TommyMTpatch
20:33.17stefan_schmidthmm, ok
20:33.33TommyMTbut I have to familiarize myself with quilt anyways - so I think I'll just do it again with quilt
20:33.48stefan_schmidtSo you can diff against another fully patched kernel tree, or i can make q quilt patch
20:33.58stefan_schmidtok
20:34.02TommyMTThere's a more important thing:
20:34.22stefan_schmidtjust untar kernel tree and put the patches dir in top
20:34.27TommyMTmy changes will probably break the sd support for the other motorola phones
20:35.04stefan_schmidtoh, this is a problem
20:35.34TommyMTDo you know what's the current status on Harald's efforts to clean up the SSP/SPI stuff?
20:35.48stefan_schmidtno
20:36.13stefan_schmidti think he is busy at the moment. I waiting for his release of the usbnet patches, too
20:36.25TommyMTWe will probably need some kind of abstraction there as lots of things are a little bit different on each of the phones.
20:36.48stefan_schmidtJust do a normal patch for the tf support. So we can merge it later
20:36.54TommyMTok
20:37.50stefan_schmidtWe really need a repo. But harald is busy and i'm not familar with his OpenVZ setup...
20:39.13TommyMTI could offer a mercurial repository, but I don't know if the other developers like mercurial
20:40.54stefan_schmidti can also offer svn, but haralds starts this and so i respect his plans
20:41.19TommyMTbetter that way, I think
20:41.20Hopscotchyeah, i think we should wait till he's back
20:41.43stefan_schmidtHopscotch: game was good?
20:42.20Hopscotchyeah, i won :)
20:42.25TommyMTstefan_schmidt: do you know if there's a way to find out on which phone the kernel is running?
20:42.34stefan_schmidtok, i write down the steps for a780 tf and busybox so far
20:42.58stefan_schmidtHopscotch: congrats
20:43.19stefan_schmidtTommyMT: You like to ifdef your code. hmm, i don't know. sorry
20:44.37Hopscotchstefan_schmidt: ifdef is not good if you want one kernel for all phones
20:46.58stefan_schmidtYes. I only thought TommyMT like this to do, because he don't kno if it brekas sd on other phones.
21:05.02stefan_schmidtao2: http://wiki.openezx.org/Rootfs_on_SD
21:05.34stefan_schmidtIt is _short_, so ask if something is not clear.
21:06.33stefan_schmidtHopscotch: Do you like to tell me more about bluetooth console. Busybox is working now. :)
21:11.17Hopscotchhehe
21:11.34Hopscotchwell, if you want you can start with compiling bluez
21:11.55stefan_schmidtok
21:12.27stefan_schmidtkernel modules are already built in.
21:12.27Hopscotchthe evil part will be to find out what kind of bluetooth donge is inside the phone
21:12.35stefan_schmidtyou mean userspace apps
21:12.44stefan_schmidtchip?
21:12.48Hopscotchand if it has its own eeprom with a mac-address
21:12.59Hopscotchmore a module consisting of serval chips
21:13.11stefan_schmidtBCM2035 controller
21:13.35stefan_schmidthmm, there was athread about bluetooth on motofans...
21:13.39stefan_schmidtlet me search
21:18.56TommyMTstefan_sc: can you tell me on which phones SD was working with the old (VAUX2) code?
21:19.51stefan_schmidtHopscotch: http://cyph.ath.cx:8080/downloads/ezx-bluez.tar.bz2
21:19.56stefan_schmidthttp://cyph.ath.cx:8080/downloads/ezx-bluez-init.tar.bz2
21:20.38stefan_schmidtTommyMT: I've got only a A780. But harald wrote that sd works fine for him on e680
21:21.09Hopscotchah
21:21.17Hopscotchsomeone solved that problem already
21:21.35stefan_schmidtThis is code for the pre installed kernel
21:21.38stefan_schmidt2.4.20
21:21.52stefan_schmidtBut the userspace tools should help us.
21:28.15stefan_schmidtwe could not talk to tapisrv to enable bluetooth. So hopefully the 2.6 kernel modules do this for us
21:40.04ao2'nite
21:40.19stefan_schmidtnight
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22:28.33stefan_schmidtdamn
22:28.48stefan_schmidtthere is no help to topic. :)
22:29.11SuNI think /topic is a shortcut.
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22:31.55jonwilit looks like motorola might actually have source code for us (at last)
22:32.08jonwilAssuming that my contact isnt lying and is going to send the CD to that address that is
22:32.34SuNSo are they going to resume selling the A780 in Germany?
22:32.59stefan_schmidtwe shall see
22:33.24SuNstefan_schmidt: I don't think there's more to /topic than /topic <sometopic> :)
22:34.20SuNThis looks like a good thing, though... either some people at motorola are helpful while others aren't, or Motorola has realized they can't win this.
22:34.25stefan_schmidtjonwil: i droped jim a mail to send me the code, too. Just to play it safe.
22:34.34jonwilok
22:35.03stefan_schmidtSuN: Some people _are_ helpful, but its a big company...
22:35.11SuNYeah
22:35.42jonwilAnyone know why they stopped selling A780 in germany?
22:35.49SuNIt's just weird that one department may have decided releasing source is out of the question, at the cost of stopping to sell phones, while others are happy to comply.
22:36.14stefan_schmidtIt was guessed because of the gpl trouble.
22:43.18jonwilI think that the people doing development (and the lower level managers) want to release as much code as they can (i.e. everything OSS) but the lawyers are insisting that they examine everthing before its released
22:43.48jonwilto make sure that they dont release things they shouldnt (e.g. files containing personal details of ppl)
22:46.05stefan_schmidtyes. But especially the lawyers have to learn it. :)

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