| 00:02.01 | kergoth | hmm, there we are. if you have 'zic' on the desktop itll generate the zoneinfo |
| 00:09.56 | ljp | mickeyl: ping |
| 00:10.20 | ljp | crap, he went to sleep, eh |
| 00:10.44 | pb_ | you never know, maybe he'll suffer from insomnia and come back |
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| 00:16.54 | kergoth | treke|laptop: heh, wonder if arch/tla is stable yet |
| 00:17.04 | treke|laptop | dunno |
| 00:17.50 | kergoth | hm, i should go home soon |
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| 00:31.57 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:32.20 | noda | From the looks of the post-outgoing triggers, OE development is really flying! |
| 00:32.30 | treke|laptop | it would look that way |
| 00:32.37 | treke|laptop | but looks can be deceiving |
| 00:32.44 | noda | Are they? |
| 00:33.09 | treke|laptop | It looks like that's what I'm saying |
| 00:33.14 | treke|laptop | but looks can be deceiving |
| 00:33.20 | noda | Har har :) |
| 00:33.32 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 00:33.38 | noda | Hey kergoth :) |
| 00:33.42 | treke|laptop | so the question is, am I full of shit or not? |
| 00:34.07 | kergoth | arent you usually? :) |
| 00:34.09 | pb_ | in this instance, I think looks are not deceiving. |
| 00:35.02 | noda | I'm hacking up Epiphany extensions. This browser rocks :) |
| 00:35.56 | W8TVI | m00 noda |
| 00:36.21 | W8TVI | m00 n0d4 |
| 00:36.26 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:36.34 | W8TVI | :P |
| 00:36.39 | noda | Anybody here use Epiphany? :) |
| 00:36.43 | TMM1 | i used it once |
| 00:36.50 | noda | Use it now :) |
| 00:36.55 | TMM1 | i like galeon |
| 00:37.03 | noda | I've put in per-site popup blocking and a few mouse gestures. I'm doing an error console now |
| 00:40.36 | CosmicPenguin | Frickin' GTK2 |
| 00:40.37 | CosmicPenguin | I hate that |
| 00:40.41 | CosmicPenguin | All my apps are screwed |
| 00:40.44 | noda | What? :) |
| 00:41.08 | CosmicPenguin | Every GTK app I love is migrating, but I refuse to switch |
| 00:41.18 | noda | Migrating to what, GTK-2.3? |
| 00:41.22 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 00:41.30 | noda | What apps are migrating? I've only heard of Epiphany. |
| 00:41.33 | treke|laptop | CosmicPenguin: What did they break in gtk 2.3? |
| 00:41.48 | CosmicPenguin | Well, technically they all are |
| 00:41.53 | noda | It's got *great* enhancements, it's better in every way... but the apps for 2.3 aren't backwards-compatible, of course. |
| 00:41.56 | CosmicPenguin | Galeon development has stopped in the current stable tree |
| 00:42.16 | CosmicPenguin | Sylpheed development is soon to move to GTK2 |
| 00:42.17 | treke|laptop | let's all just switch to kde |
| 00:42.18 | noda | Use jhbuild. I keep debian unstable, with GNOME 2.4, running, and I use 'jhbuild run epiphany' to run Epiphany. |
| 00:42.29 | noda | Sylpheed... it's about time |
| 00:42.38 | noda | I gave up on it long ago, since it's GTK1. |
| 00:42.44 | noda | I've given up on XMMS too. Long live Rhythmbox! |
| 00:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | GTK2 is useless |
| 00:42.47 | CosmicPenguin | Its worse then QT |
| 00:42.54 | noda | It's *different* from QT. |
| 00:43.12 | treke|laptop | CosmicPenguin: at least qt doesnt have a list of dependencies as long as my johnson |
| 00:43.26 | noda | treke|laptop: Gnome apps have more dependencies, I think :) |
| 00:43.32 | CosmicPenguin | Thats right - QT depends only on itself, so it doesn't work with anything else |
| 00:43.41 | CosmicPenguin | FLTK forever! |
| 00:43.59 | treke|laptop | CosmicPenguin: not that much different than gtk :) |
| 00:43.59 | noda | I'm of the opinion that dependencies are a good thing. Debian handles them great, who cares how many there are? |
| 00:44.11 | treke|laptop | dependencies are great to a poit |
| 00:44.21 | noda | It just means smaller modules, which means easier maintenance. |
| 00:44.22 | treke|laptop | you get apps like gnucash that take them to an extreme |
| 00:44.22 | CosmicPenguin | Most of the GTK dependancies are useless |
| 00:44.39 | noda | I think gnucash is an extreme application. Monolithic. But I haven't tried it. |
| 00:44.57 | CosmicPenguin | Many of the GTK dependancies exist only because the dependancies are friendds and family of the GTK team |
| 00:45.11 | CosmicPenguin | For example Pango |
| 00:45.15 | pb_ | eh? |
| 00:45.30 | noda | CosmicPenguin: Duh. They needed a text rendering backend and none existed. |
| 00:45.44 | treke|laptop | noda: gnucash is a gnome 1 app with 41 direct dependencies |
| 00:45.45 | noda | Do you think it'd be better if they made Pango a part of GTK instead of another module? No, that'd be stupid. |
| 00:45.51 | noda | treke|laptop: lol |
| 00:46.10 | treke|laptop | noda: that doesnt count the dependencies of the individual dependencies :) |
| 00:46.18 | noda | Obviously |
| 00:46.32 | treke|laptop | noda: And it's a perfect example of the problem, even debian had a hard time keeping it straight |
| 00:46.36 | pb_ | treke|laptop: I wonder how many of those dependencies are just caused by libtool, though. |
| 00:46.53 | treke|laptop | pb_: I'm gonaa guess none |
| 00:47.06 | pb_ | ah, heh. it doesn't use libtool? |
| 00:47.17 | treke|laptop | thinks like oaf, guile, libfincance-quote-perl libdate-manip-perl, libdb3, libesd0, libgal23 |
| 00:47.20 | treke|laptop | and so on |
| 00:47.21 | CosmicPenguin | Sometimes reinventing the wheel is much easier then trying to include everyone else and make them happy |
| 00:47.38 | noda | Heh |
| 00:47.38 | CosmicPenguin | The path that GTK2 follows to render text would drive a man to drink |
| 00:47.53 | noda | But smart inclusion of apps (I'm thinking Epiphany here, it's *beautiful* code) is the best way to go. |
| 00:48.06 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure Epiphany is great |
| 00:48.08 | noda | CosmicPenguin: Text rendering is very complex. I doubt you could do better |
| 00:48.15 | noda | (And I doubt QT does much better, really) |
| 00:48.20 | treke|laptop | noda: gnucash used to suffer from the "one of my dependencies broke compatibility again, so I'm perpetually uninstallable" |
| 00:48.31 | CosmicPenguin | noda: I don't discount that its a difficult thing |
| 00:48.34 | noda | treke|laptop: No doubt. |
| 00:48.35 | treke|laptop | for months at a time |
| 00:48.46 | CosmicPenguin | But why make it more difficult? |
| 00:49.33 | CosmicPenguin | And why make it confusing, and depend on half a dozen projects, most of when are duplicates of other projects |
| 00:49.33 | mikelp | treke|laptop: dpkg --force-all is a wonderful thing ;) |
| 00:49.33 | noda | CosmicPenguin: Text rendering? It's not difficult at all. I open up Glade and I click on a label and I type in some text. |
| 00:49.33 | treke|laptop | noda: I've spoken to people who have no plans to move to gtk2 because of the extra dependencies |
| 00:49.37 | noda | I find that silly. Which of its dependencies should be removed? |
| 00:49.44 | treke|laptop | noda: Having to support one library in a commercial product is tough enough |
| 00:49.59 | noda | treke|laptop: Ah, but GTK was never made for commercial products :) |
| 00:50.05 | pb_ | treke|laptop: right, and there are people who still use linux 2.0 because later kernels use too much RAM, and so on. You can't always let that kind of thing stand in the way. |
| 00:50.10 | CosmicPenguin | A toolkit is a tool |
| 00:50.15 | CosmicPenguin | Not an operating environment |
| 00:50.36 | treke|laptop | noda: Erm, if it wasn't they would have gpl'd the toolkit and been done with it |
| 00:50.36 | noda | CosmicPenguin: Have you ever coded an app with libglade and GTK+? :) |
| 00:50.42 | CosmicPenguin | No |
| 00:50.44 | CosmicPenguin | No I haven't |
| 00:50.51 | noda | treke|laptop: Heh, I think it'd be nice. |
| 00:50.58 | CosmicPenguin | Becuase I use toolkits that manage to come in under a few megs and take less then 3 libraries |
| 00:51.06 | noda | CosmicPenguin: Heh |
| 00:51.14 | CosmicPenguin | But thats jsut me |
| 00:51.19 | CosmicPenguin | I tend to be strange about that |
| 00:51.38 | noda | Python/libglade/libgnome is an amazing RAD tool. It has a shitload of dependencies, but why worry? Debian handles them. |
| 00:51.58 | treke|laptop | debian isn't the whole world |
| 00:52.03 | noda | It oughta be :P |
| 00:52.06 | mikelp | noda: If you get the gui design real close the first time out 8) |
| 00:52.23 | noda | mikelp: I'm awful at GUI design. I was just doing some an hour ago... we'll see how it turns out :) |
| 00:52.41 | CosmicPenguin | Visual C++ is an amazing RAD tool - sure it has lots of dependancies, but why worry? Windows update handles them |
| 00:52.47 | mikelp | Going back and changnig it when you've had to change the autogen'ed files is a right pain |
| 00:53.10 | noda | mikelp: Um. Obvious solution: don't change the autogen'd files. That's what autogen is meant to do. |
| 00:53.21 | noda | mikelp: You just change Makefile.am and call 'Make' and it rebuilds the Makefiles and everything for you. |
| 00:53.28 | noda | Probably not as nice as QT's stuff, but it does the job. |
| 00:53.34 | mikelp | noda: ha, ha. I'll leave you to play and talk later |
| 00:53.41 | noda | Hehehe :) |
| 00:53.44 | noda | Nah, TV show coming up soon. |
| 00:53.53 | noda | Most hilarious Canadian ever, Rick Mercer. Ever hear of him? :) |
| 00:54.10 | mikelp | I may have seen him when I've been in ottawa |
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| 02:00.30 | treke|laptop | I think I left my wireless card somewhere |
| 02:00.31 | treke|laptop | suck |
| 02:01.09 | treke|laptop | oh and the only clean clothing I have left is black suit. double suck. |
| 02:01.45 | treke|laptop | and I just have crappy beer left at home. |
| 02:04.01 | mikelp | grrr, -Dinhibit_libc is not working |
| 02:07.05 | treke|laptop | I know, i just saw an ad for libcs gone wild on tv. |
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| 02:41.47 | eli | I'm running into problems building OpenZaurus on my RH9 box. (And some problems with OE as well, but let's start with OZ, shall we? :) ) |
| 02:42.10 | kergoth | buildroot isnt actively developed. its failures arent likely to be fixed |
| 02:43.03 | eli | Yeah, I'm aware of the OZ->OE transition. |
| 02:45.31 | eli | OZ3.2 has python, but 3.3.5 and 3.3.6pre9 don't. |
| 02:45.58 | eli | 3.3.5 and later make the doc tab optional... and with 256MB CF & MMC cards, that's a big issue for me. |
| 02:46.10 | eli | So, being greedy, I want both. :) |
| 02:46.55 | eli | I need to be able to continue to use my Z day-to-day, but it doesn't look like OE is ready for that yet. |
| 02:47.22 | kergoth | OE is the tools |
| 02:47.29 | kergoth | OZ 3.5.1 will be -built- by the OE tools |
| 02:47.37 | kergoth | as will openembedded/ipaq, and other distros |
| 02:47.47 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:49.03 | eli | Ahhhh.... For some reason I had come to the conclusion that OE was a new meta-distribution. |
| 02:50.03 | kergoth | we name the distros that as well. openzaurus = openembedded/zaurus |
| 02:50.11 | kergoth | that is, the zaurus incarnation of a distribution built by the oe tools |
| 02:50.30 | kergoth | but the openzaurus name isnt going anywhere |
| 02:51.19 | eli | Ah, ok. Thanks for setting me straight on that. |
| 02:51.40 | W8TVI | Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 NEW With Warranty - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071929076&category=38331 |
| 02:51.42 | kergoth | np. |
| 02:52.04 | eli | Then perhaps I should back up. How do I get to where I want to be from "here"? |
| 02:52.13 | kergoth | python is in the new buildsystem, but the packaging isnt where you want it |
| 02:52.26 | kergoth | well, either you get someone (or do it yourself) to fix whatever problems you're having with buildroot |
| 02:52.43 | kergoth | or enhance the packaging of the python build in OE |
| 02:53.14 | eli | The latter would be of more value to you, right? |
| 02:53.40 | kergoth | correct. but depending on the nature of your buildroot problems, could be a bit more work |
| 02:53.44 | kergoth | whats failing in buildroot? |
| 02:55.17 | eli | It's scrolled off... just a moment. |
| 02:55.43 | kergoth | k |
| 03:02.51 | eli | Well bother, I've found a couple of user errors in what I did... fixing those... |
| 03:09.15 | eli | Ok, the error I'm getting is: |
| 03:09.19 | eli | Generating dependency information... |
| 03:09.23 | eli | panic: end_shift at /home/eli/zaurus/devel/buildroot-exported/scripts/deps.pl line 22, <FILE> line 18. |
| 03:09.26 | eli | make: *** [/home/eli/zaurus/devel/buildroot-exported/.depends] Error 25 |
| 03:09.33 | kergoth | you need to upgrade your perl, iirc. |
| 03:09.55 | eli | $ rpm -q perl |
| 03:09.55 | eli | perl-5.8.0-88.3 |
| 03:10.13 | kergoth | its most definately a perl issue |
| 03:11.23 | eli | Ok, do you know if 5.8.1 is new enough? (that's what's in fedora core 1 at the moment) |
| 03:11.37 | kergoth | dont know offhand |
| 03:12.44 | eli | Hmm. Just for reference, what version are you using? |
| 03:13.13 | kergoth | afaik it was caused by something rh specific |
| 03:13.22 | kergoth | so what version # i'm using wouldnt be helpful |
| 03:13.48 | eli | Ah, ok. |
| 03:13.52 | W8TVI | anyone need a Palm V/Vx case? |
| 03:15.24 | eli | I'll give this a shot on a FC1 system. |
| 03:20.41 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.530.1.2 10packages/samba/ (samba_3.0.0.oe samba_3.0.1.oe): BUGFIX: explicit configure opts for samba to fix the build being affected greatly by development distro. |
| 03:21.42 | ljp | I need a aplm V/Vx case, if there's a device inside it, also |
| 03:21.52 | ljp | s/aplm/palm |
| 03:22.31 | W8TVI | Palm V/Vx blue hard case :P |
| 03:23.18 | ljp | and what about the device inside the case? |
| 03:23.51 | W8TVI | I'll sell you an invisable Palm V wo go along with it for an extra $50 |
| 03:24.03 | W8TVI | s/wo/to |
| 03:24.11 | eli | kergoth, thanks for your help. |
| 03:24.14 | ljp | hmmm, |
| 03:29.26 | kergoth | hmm, interesting screen build failure on this suse box |
| 03:30.45 | mikelp | kergoth: libtool issues ? |
| 03:31.04 | kergoth | nope |
| 03:31.24 | kergoth | i rarely run into libtool issues anymore. this is an oddity with the term.h generation from their term.sh script with awk |
| 03:31.47 | pb_ | later all |
| 03:31.51 | mikelp | libtool as distributed with some sources can't handle the x86_64 properly |
| 03:32.29 | kergoth | mikelp: well, given we build our own 1.5 libtool, patch it to hell, i think we're okay |
| 03:33.16 | mikelp | I'm about ready to hunt down the gcc people and throttle them |
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| 03:52.59 | eli | Upgrading perl to 5.8.1-92 from Fedora Core 1 fixed that buildroot problem. |
| 03:53.18 | eli | Thanks again for your help kergoth. :) |
| 03:53.18 | kergoth | cool |
| 04:00.12 | ljp | boo! |
| 04:02.09 | W8TVI | Boo! |
| 04:02.23 | W8TVI | Hey Yogi! |
| 04:03.06 | eli | Ok, the buildroot is happilly compiling now... |
| 04:03.58 | eli | In trying to get OE to work, I'm getting ipkg-build not found. (It isn't on my system.) |
| 04:04.18 | kergoth | then build ipkg-utils-native |
| 04:05.54 | eli | That did it. I'll add a note to the wiki |
| 04:06.27 | kergoth | cool |
| 04:08.20 | eli | Wiki updated. |
| 04:10.38 | eli | Ok, a general orientation question: What is the state of the OE system in terms of building a usable Zaurus? |
| 04:11.25 | eli | (There are a number of little annoyances I'd like to take a stab at fixing.) |
| 04:12.03 | kergoth | i dont use it to build zaurus images |
| 04:12.06 | kergoth | so i have no idea |
| 04:12.16 | kergoth | its probably not far, just a few small deviceisms here and there to take care of |
| 04:16.25 | eli | Would the openembedded-devel mailing list be a better place to ask then? |
| 04:17.24 | kergoth | ..? |
| 04:17.31 | kergoth | nobody else will know. |
| 04:20.39 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth is the alpha and the omega of OE |
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| 04:22.43 | eli | Uh, I think I reverted to thinking of OE as a metadistribution in that question. Sorry. |
| 04:23.57 | kergoth | 'can OE build a bootable zaurus distribution' or 'is openzaurus as built by oe bootable' was probably what you meant |
| 04:24.12 | kergoth | and the answer is i dont know. if it doesnt work properly, like i said, the fixes would be minor |
| 04:24.29 | kergoth | ./configure: line 11613: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 04:24.29 | kergoth | ./configure: line 11613: ` *" lsearch.$ac_objext "*' |
| 04:24.30 | kergoth | gah |
| 04:24.34 | kergoth | stupid m4 quoting issues |
| 04:25.34 | eli | Yeah, that was what I was trying (unsuccessfully ;) ) to ask. |
| 04:26.02 | eli | And given that you didn't know, I was wondering where to go looking for further information. |
| 04:26.13 | kergoth | i maintain the project and the metadata repository |
| 04:26.19 | kergoth | theres no one else to ask who would know better |
| 04:26.29 | kergoth | so either try it, or leave it to us |
| 04:28.16 | eli | Ah, ok. |
| 04:31.14 | eli | Thanks again for all your help tonight, kergoth. |
| 04:31.31 | eli | g'night all. |
| 04:31.46 | kergoth | night |
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| 04:35.09 | mikelp | la,la,la, a patching glibc we shall go |
| 04:47.22 | mewyn | whee |
| 04:47.27 | mewyn | resume is off to pixar |
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| 05:04.00 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.00 | mikelp_ | kergoth: check /usr/local/arm, there's a native cross tool chain on the machine now (finally !!) |
| 05:08.41 | mikelp_ | And I just fried the other box, fuckage, bad burnt electronic smell |
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| 05:13.19 | treke|laptop | interesting |
| 05:13.29 | treke|laptop | plastik, the kde theme has a qtopia target |
| 05:32.13 | ljp | try it |
| 05:32.28 | mikelp | yep, psu is blow |
| 05:32.34 | mikelp | All from shorting out a usb connector |
| 05:33.08 | treke|laptop | ljp: I dont have a working arm cross compiler for ppc |
| 05:34.01 | mikelp | phillim@linux:/usr/local/arm/arm-linux/bin> file gcc |
| 05:34.02 | mikelp | gcc: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 05:34.04 | mikelp | :) |
| 05:34.32 | kergoth | nice |
| 05:34.38 | mikelp | bitch to build |
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| 05:41.16 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.538 10packages/screen/ (screen_3.9.15.oe screen_4.0.1.oe screen_4.0.2.oe): BUGFIX: Fix up the screen build failures (explicitly disable the use of PAM, etc). |
| 05:41.16 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.539 10packages/mailutils/mailutils_0.3.1.oe: BUGFIX: Correct a mailutils build failure in the case where the build machine has guile installed. |
| 05:44.26 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.540 10packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add uicmoc-native to deps of korg/e and libqpe-opie. |
| 05:44.26 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.541 10packages/irda-utils/irda-utils_0.9.15.oe: BUGFIX: Fix irda-utils build, which was failing due to us not passing in the necessary variables. |
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| 05:46.53 | kergoth | ibot: spell erronious |
| 05:46.59 | | possible spellings for erronious: erroneous erroneously Arron's Orono's euphonious ironies erosions earrings erogenous Erin's ceremonious earring's eeriness ruinous Erina's Erinn's Orrin's irons Erena's errancy errors Cronus onions Arrhenius erosion's errancies Arminius Aron's Eran's Eryn's Uranus earing's iron's Derron's felonious ferocious Erinna's Ernie's Orin's atrocious errands errants error's ominous Errol's arroyos cronies ebonies harmonious |
| 05:47.44 | treke|laptop | ibot spell asshole |
| 05:47.46 | | 'asshole' may be spelled correctly |
| 05:48.08 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.543 10packages/ipkg/ (4 files): BUGFIX: Stop installing and packaging ipkg-native builds. |
| 05:48.09 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.544 10packages/dosfstools/dosfstools_2.9.oe: BUGFIX: Fix dosfstools build, which, due to an unnecessary inherit, wasn't passing the necessary variables into the make. |
| 05:48.12 | treke|laptop | how do I make it return treke |
| 05:48.26 | treke|laptop | :) |
| 05:50.10 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.545 10packages/python/pysqlite_0.5.0.oe: BUGFIX: Remove unnecessary item from FILES for pysqlite, which was breaking its packaging. |
| 05:51.53 | treke|laptop | this vim kpart is kinda cool |
| 05:53.11 | treke|laptop | very rough though |
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| 06:10.45 | samwong | do anyone know if libusb is ported to embedded linux(eg. uclinux) |
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| 06:11.34 | treke|laptop | you'd probably be better off asking in a uclinux channel or mailing list |
| 06:11.59 | treke|laptop | kergoth: you picked a shitty fucking name for this project |
| 06:12.07 | kergoth | heheh |
| 06:12.46 | kergoth | treke|laptop: maybe we should switch to #oe |
| 06:12.46 | treke|laptop | ugh fun. gcc can't compile kopete |
| 06:12.49 | kergoth | treke|laptop: eh? |
| 06:12.53 | kergoth | heh, that sucks |
| 06:13.01 | treke|laptop | internal compiler errors. |
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| 07:16.37 | ljp | maybe its operator error |
| 07:44.57 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.546 10packages/resolvconf/resolvconf_1.4.oe: Bump resolvconf version from 1.2 to 1.4. |
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| 08:03.14 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.547 10packages/docbook-utils/docbook-utils_0.6.13.oe: Add openjade to docbook-utils RDEPENDS and move it out of nonworking. |
| 08:03.14 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.548 10packages/nonworking/opensp/ (opensp-1.5/m4.patch opensp_1.5.oe): Add m4 macros for the OpenSP build. |
| 08:03.43 | kergoth | getting there. soon we'll have all the doc packages in the system, one less build environment dependency |
| 08:05.17 | W8TVI | night guys |
| 08:05.23 | kergoth | night |
| 08:06.03 | W8TVI | stupid spam |
| 08:06.35 | W8TVI | glad I got mailwasher |
| 08:07.05 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.549 10packages/gnupg/gnupg-1.2.3/m4.patch: Add missing m4 macros patch for gnupg 1.2.3. |
| 08:08.11 | kergoth | heh, 131 csets in our metadata repos in the past week |
| 08:08.13 | kergoth | not bad |
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| 08:14.51 | kergoth | man, this suse box gets all sorts of failures i never see in my environments. really helps us nail down those elusive autohell bugs |
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| 08:19.31 | Speedy2 | re |
| 08:24.13 | ljp | hey |
| 08:28.17 | Speedy2 | Yo ljp |
| 08:30.49 | ljp | I installed qtopia phone on my zaurus today |
| 08:31.37 | Speedy2 | What did that get you? |
| 08:32.00 | ljp | a pat on the back from warwick |
| 08:33.38 | Speedy2 | I mean is Qtopia Phone cool? |
| 08:34.03 | ljp | sure. I cant talk about it all that much, though |
| 08:35.13 | ljp | but some of these changes might be folded back into qtopia 2 |
| 08:35.55 | Speedy2 | Things faster? |
| 08:36.43 | ljp | things havent been optimized yet |
| 08:42.53 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 08:42.59 | Speedy2 | So how's AU working for you? |
| 08:44.10 | ljp | I love it here. the past few weeks have been a bit hot for me, but I am getting aclimated, 74F seems nice a cool |
| 08:46.32 | ljp | will be even better when I buy a car |
| 09:16.03 | ljp | weeee |
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| 10:21.56 | ljp | mickeyl: did the powerchord guy ever get back to you yet? |
| 10:29.51 | mickeyl | no he didn't (unsurprisingly), but it's ok - i finished adaption into opie in my cvs tree. i'll push soon |
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| 10:39.59 | mickeyl | ljp: it's pretty ugly btw. the gui didn't graps how to use designer efficiently |
| 10:40.04 | mickeyl | s/gui/guy |
| 10:40.14 | mickeyl | s/graps/grasp |
| 10:49.55 | ljp | ahh, well, thats ok, really |
| 10:50.11 | ljp | who does know designer..? ;) |
| 10:50.42 | ljp | I just wish they made designer3 compatible with qt2 |
| 10:58.37 | mickeyl | yeah me too |
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| 13:38.30 | mickeyl | hey schurig# |
| 13:38.33 | mickeyl | how're you |
| 13:40.12 | schurig | mickeyl: hi --- fine. And you? |
| 13:40.23 | schurig | mickeyl: (Natalie is getting teeths ...) |
| 13:41.07 | mickeyl | schurig: good good so far. more work on oe |
| 13:41.11 | mickeyl | schurig: oh. she crying a lto? |
| 13:41.14 | mickeyl | a lot even |
| 13:41.57 | schurig | mickeyl: yeah |
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| 14:26.28 | jeroen_ | did someone manage to get gcc-cross_3.3.2.oe working ? |
| 14:32.49 | gb2 | jeroen: the uclibc chain builds, the glibc one hasn't been finished |
| 14:32.56 | gb2 | it has a few bugs at the moment |
| 14:41.15 | jdh41 | hmm, PlsHelp seems to have decided to plauge #linux instead today |
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| 15:01.04 | jeroen_ | gb2: I noticed, thanks |
| 15:20.27 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
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| 16:32.01 | mickeyl | kergoth: good morning. ping me after your first coffee |
| 16:35.09 | kergoth | mickeyl_away: pong. |
| 16:35.48 | kergoth | damn, a full build from the OE repos is up to 3.5gb |
| 16:35.55 | kergoth | course thats multiple versions of half the packages, but.. |
| 16:37.03 | kergoth | nice, i have the build down to 6 failures on this box |
| 16:37.10 | kergoth | err, no |
| 16:37.34 | kergoth | 10 failures, but 4 of them are due to missing doc tools, so i dont consider them failures, more as lacking features |
| 16:38.50 | CIA-5 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.550 10packages/korganizer/korganizer-embedded_1.5.0.oe: |
| 16:38.50 | CIA-5 | korganizer-embedded_1.5.0.oe:\ |
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| 16:49.34 | kergoth | god this is a bad hack. |
| 16:49.42 | kergoth | aha and it worked.. |
| 16:49.53 | gb2 | heh |
| 16:50.02 | kergoth | mickeyl_away: we require that automake-native be built and around even if the package doesnt use automake |
| 16:50.14 | kergoth | since the package needs install-sh, mkinstalldirs, config.guess, config.sub, regardless |
| 16:50.18 | kergoth | and autoconf doesnt seem to include them |
| 16:50.27 | kergoth | and automake -a installs them, but only if you're an automake package |
| 16:50.39 | kergoth | so i had to install them from the automake share data manually to catch that case |
| 16:51.18 | kergoth | fetchmail and gawk were both affected by this |
| 16:51.33 | kergoth | it doesnt break on most machines, but this one is an opteron, and old config.guess's dont support x86_64 |
| 16:51.37 | kergoth | er config.sub i mean |
| 16:56.20 | kergoth | woot. fixed |
| 17:03.10 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.549.1.1 10packages/libesmtp/libesmtp-1.0.1/configure.patch: BUGFIX: Correct an m4 quoting issue in the libesmtp configure.in. |
| 17:10.37 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.354.1.2 10oe/classes/qmake.oeclass: Qmake oeclass should depend on qmake-native, not qmake. |
| 17:10.37 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.354.1.3 10oe/classes/autotools.oeclass: Ugly hack to ensure config.sub/config.guess/etc are updated for non-automake and non-libtool packages (fixes builds of gawk and fetchmail on an x86_64 development box). |
| 17:10.37 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.354.1.1 10oe/BitKeeper/ (deleted/.del-test~ab7ea7fce0f5d113 etc/logging_ok): |
| 17:11.51 | kergoth | ew, ugly bison failure with cscope |
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| 17:18.13 | kergoth | aha, they fixed the cscope failure with new bison versions in 15.5 |
| 17:20.23 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.549.1.2 10packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Bump cscope version to 15.5, which works with recent bison versions. |
| 17:22.46 | kergoth | down to two unexpected failures |
| 17:23.48 | kergoth | 1 |
| 17:31.33 | kergoth | 0 |
| 17:31.49 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.553 10packages/pango/pango_1.2.5.oe: BUGFIX: Fix pango build of the native gen-all-unicode. |
| 17:35.18 | kergoth | mickeyl: re |
| 17:36.34 | mickeyl | hi |
| 17:37.13 | kergoth | you wanted something earlier? |
| 17:37.18 | mickeyl | yeah... *typing* |
| 17:37.22 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:37.32 | mickeyl | question: what's your view on our dependency policy, e.g. do we want implicit or explicit dependencies. e.g. i would like to have the palmtop.oeclass depend on uicmoc-native and remove that dependency from the individual applications. what's your view on that? |
| 17:37.38 | mickeyl | herer we ar :) |
| 17:38.51 | kergoth | i'd say let the palmtop oeclass do it. we let classes add deps everywhere else |
| 17:39.05 | kergoth | e.g. autotools, base, .. |
| 17:39.19 | mickeyl | good. i feel this is cleaner than repeating it in all apps. |
| 17:39.58 | kergoth | yeah. one of our priorities needs to be keeping the app .oe's as clean, readable, and maintainable as possible |
| 17:40.54 | mickeyl | k. i think we(i.e. me:) learned a lot during the initial process of adding packages to oe. will refine and cleanup in an iterative process. |
| 17:41.06 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:42.03 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.554 10packages/base-passwd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): base-passwd version bump from 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 due to debian yanking the sources. |
| 17:43.29 | mickeyl | oh and btw., in the honorable policy of submitting patches upstream, the pyqt maintainer just accepted my patches to allow pyqt building against something more recent than the original qtopia 1.5 sdk :D |
| 17:43.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: heh, 129 changesets in teh past week. whew. |
| 17:43.38 | kergoth | mickeyl: hey nice, glad to hear it |
| 17:44.16 | mickeyl | yeah, it took a while, but i finally got the ball rolling. i know enough about OE now to be productive :) |
| 17:44.37 | kergoth | i need to finish the users manual so its less difficult for others |
| 17:44.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:44.42 | mickeyl | right |
| 17:45.03 | kergoth | it really isnt hard to use, the problem is more a conceptual one. grasping the system |
| 17:46.47 | mickeyl | yeah. while it is much more easy to use (i.e. add and maintain packages) than buildroot, the control flow is more complicated. and i must confess, i always have a hard time to operate productive without understanding as much as possible :) that held me back for a while. (not to speak about oz 3.3.5 and 3.3.6, of course :D |
| 17:47.05 | kergoth | yeah i agree. i cant stand -using- something i dont understand |
| 17:47.26 | kergoth | since if it breaks you wont stand a chance of fixing it without that knowledge |
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| 17:50.08 | mickeyl | kergoth: out of curiosity - how much has the current oe in common with the original implementation from schurig? |
| 17:50.42 | kergoth | hmm, probably not much.. most of __init__.py in the oe module is still the original code, but 90% of that is unused anyway |
| 17:50.58 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.555 10packages/lsof/ (lsof_4.69.oe lsof_4.70.oe): Add lsof 4.70 and correct URI for 4.69. |
| 17:55.19 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.556 10packages/dropbear/ (dropbear-0.41/configure.patch dropbear_0.41.oe): Add dropbear 0.41. |
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| 18:02.50 | gb2 | kergoth: adding more and more updated versions of things? |
| 18:03.37 | kergoth | hehe. periodically i check freshmeat for anything useful |
| 18:03.39 | gb2 | kergoth: oe's deps stuff still doesn't like multiple paths though, right? |
| 18:03.48 | kergoth | itll build all versions of each package |
| 18:03.59 | kergoth | which is an annoyance more than anything else |
| 18:04.12 | kergoth | i have a reworked oemake here that has really basic mult provides handling, but isnt stable yet |
| 18:04.30 | gb2 | i thought it got confused sometimes if you have multiple providers for deps reasons |
| 18:04.31 | gb2 | ah |
| 18:04.42 | kergoth | ill clone an oe-newoemake on bkbits so we can play with it |
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| 18:13.53 | gb2 | ok, cool |
| 18:16.39 | kergoth | gb2: i thought about revamping it to not build within the digraph walkdown, but assemble a 'build list' and run through that.. but the problem with that is, you lose the ability to easily teach it to spawn off multiple oebuilds simultaniously, since the order would be linear |
| 18:16.46 | kergoth | so i gave up on that idea and left it following the graph |
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| 18:26.44 | gb2 | kergoth: ah |
| 18:27.20 | kergoth | i like the idea of building mjultiple packages at once |
| 18:27.26 | kergoth | especially since alot of packages cant handle make -j |
| 18:27.26 | gb2 | yeah |
| 18:27.41 | gb2 | you can still do that with a simple list |
| 18:27.46 | gb2 | though it needs a little more structure |
| 18:28.14 | kergoth | heh, for all intents and purposes itd be a graph anyway |
| 18:28.22 | kergoth | just each package would have a fully populated build list |
| 18:28.30 | gb2 | yep |
| 18:28.31 | kergoth | and itd probably be slower than what we have now |
| 18:28.40 | gb2 | well. |
| 18:28.50 | gb2 | it'd depend on how much parsing it would need to do |
| 18:29.15 | kergoth | well, what structure we use to represent the deps wont affect that, we have to parse in the same data either way |
| 18:29.24 | gb2 | yeah, true |
| 18:29.32 | gb2 | the current digraph is fine |
| 18:29.37 | gb2 | it just needs loop detection |
| 18:29.43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:30.10 | gb2 | and multipath handling |
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| 18:35.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:35.50 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/code/packages/tmp/base/opensp-1.5-r0/OpenSP-1.5/include/Ptr.cxx: In |
| 18:35.54 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.56 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/code/packages/tmp/base/opensp-1.5-r0/OpenSP-1.5/include/Ptr.h:55: instantiated from `OpenSP::ConstPtr<T>::ConstPtr() [with T = OpenSP::AttributeValue]' |
| 18:35.59 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/code/packages/tmp/base/opensp-1.5-r0/OpenSP-1.5/include/Attribute.h:36: instantiated from here |
| 18:36.03 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/code/packages/tmp/base/opensp-1.5-r0/OpenSP-1.5/include/Ptr.cxx:22: error: ` |
| 18:36.05 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.08 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/code/packages/tmp/base/opensp-1.5-r0/OpenSP-1.5/include/Ptr.cxx:22: error: (Each |
| 18:36.11 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.14 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.17 | kergoth | god i hate errors involving templates. they're always so damn ugly |
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| 19:13.03 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.557 10packages/opensp/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix OpenSP build and move it out of nonworking. |
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| 19:58.41 | kergoth | hmm, thats odd, cia hasnt seen my last csets yet |
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| 19:58.59 | ljp | maybe it got tired of spamming ;) |
| 19:59.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:59.20 | kergoth | OpenSP and openjade build now |
| 19:59.39 | kergoth | which means i can add -native versions, and OE will be capable of buliding its own native docbook conversion bits for the builds |
| 19:59.45 | pb_ | hi all |
| 19:59.47 | kergoth | so we can ditch that dependency on the build environment |
| 19:59.53 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
| 20:00.11 | kergoth | slowly but surely adding all the doc generation deps |
| 20:02.18 | Pendalar | which would make me very happy =-x |
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| 20:05.15 | Pendalar | so you guys haven't had time yet? |
| 20:19.21 | kergoth | Pendalar: i've fixed a ton of packages on a recent suse box that should fix a number of your failures as well |
| 20:19.33 | kergoth | Pendalar: working on adding the last bits to fix the failures related to doc generation as we speak |
| 20:19.51 | kergoth | Pendalar: heh - http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/packages/ChangeSet@-7d?nav=index.html |
| 20:20.03 | Pendalar | awesome |
| 20:20.12 | Pendalar | so should I wait a few or begin a new build? |
| 20:20.22 | kergoth | i'd go ahead and start a new build now |
| 20:20.31 | kergoth | when it completes, i'll login and fix any remaining failures |
| 20:21.03 | kergoth | there we go, opensp-native works.. now to add openjade-native, and teach docbook-utils to install into staging |
| 20:22.22 | Pendalar | are you pushing that soon or no? |
| 20:22.29 | kergoth | when it works. |
| 20:22.39 | Pendalar | heh |
| 20:22.48 | Pendalar | man that's a lot of changes.. |
| 20:22.53 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 20:22.57 | kergoth | was on a rampage last night |
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| 20:23.15 | DarkSSJ | hi all |
| 20:23.25 | Pendalar | snes9x *grin* I see how you guys prioritize |
| 20:25.14 | Pendalar | I saw something about an bk for new oemake or something, will that be something you want me to test? |
| 20:27.11 | kergoth | Pendalar: at some point, yeah |
| 20:29.11 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.559 10packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add stage target to OpenSP, fix the openjade build, and move openjade out of nonworking. |
| 20:29.12 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.558 10packages/base-passwd/base-passwd_3.5.5.oe: BUGFIX: correct URI for base-passwd. |
| 20:30.11 | Twiun | hi everyone |
| 20:30.53 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 20:34.19 | kergoth | damn, that was one lagged set of messages |
| 20:34.34 | Twiun | pb_: back from my first day at work |
| 20:35.18 | pb_ | aha |
| 20:35.42 | Pendalar | somethings wrong with my bk repos.. |
| 20:35.49 | Twiun | pb_: whatcha doin there then? |
| 20:35.54 | Pendalar | bk pull ; bk -r co -q -> done |
| 20:35.59 | pb_ | Twiun: linuxworld expo |
| 20:36.01 | Pendalar | bk pull again, I get the same packages |
| 20:36.11 | Pendalar | I'm confused.. |
| 20:36.52 | Pendalar | =================================== ERROR ==================================== |
| 20:36.52 | Pendalar | takepatch: cyrus-sasl/SCCS/s.cyrus-sasl_2.1.17.oe is edited and modified; unsafe to overwrite. |
| 20:37.02 | Pendalar | meh... |
| 20:37.30 | kergoth | bk unedit cyrus-sasl/cyr*oe |
| 20:37.32 | kergoth | bk pull |
| 20:38.11 | Pendalar | still why doesn't it just fail on the one pull? |
| 20:38.20 | Pendalar | rather than make me download everything again |
| 20:38.20 | kergoth | hm? |
| 20:38.30 | kergoth | 'fail on the one pull'? |
| 20:38.32 | kergoth | it does. |
| 20:38.50 | Pendalar | well I mean it could get the rest, and bk -r co -q them |
| 20:38.57 | Pendalar | and leave that one cyrus-sasl for next time |
| 20:39.00 | Twiun | pb_: Ahhh |
| 20:39.16 | kergoth | Pendalar: uhh, you obviously dont understand bk. |
| 20:39.37 | kergoth | 1) you cant split changes out from a changeset. changeset is the unit that gets pulled. |
| 20:39.51 | kergoth | 2) pull cant pull a subset of hte available changesets, it must pull all changes or none. |
| 20:40.04 | kergoth | limitation of the tools. being able to push/pull a sepcific cset or set of csets would be nice |
| 20:40.09 | Pendalar | probably not =-) |
| 20:40.25 | Pendalar | but it should work that way.. in my mind at least |
| 20:40.39 | kergoth | thats because you dont understand the system |
| 20:40.56 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:41.55 | gb2 | it's smarter than you, don't question it. |
| 20:41.56 | gb2 | ;) |
| 20:42.42 | Pendalar | heh all I meant was it should be a choice, same as the last thing kergoth added about it would be nice to push/pull certain csets |
| 20:43.00 | Pendalar | not surely you are wrong and it can do it ;-) |
| 20:48.40 | kergoth | well, you can grab a specific cset if you have ssh access to the tree, but you have to have every cset below that level. so in other words, you cant just leave out csets in the middle, you can only leave out the most recent |
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| 20:50.17 | treke_ | kpvool |
| 20:50.20 | treke_ | cool |
| 20:50.23 | treke_ | drw is using libipkg |
| 20:50.28 | kergoth | ssh host -- sh -c 'bk send -r# -' | bk receive -avv; |
| 20:50.37 | kergoth | will obtain a specific cset from a repote repository |
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| 20:50.48 | kergoth | its limited, but handy |
| 20:50.52 | kergoth | treke_: yeah, wonder how well it works |
| 20:51.13 | pb_ | hi treke |
| 20:51.26 | treke_ | and redhat is worse than I remember it |
| 20:51.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:51.40 | kergoth | yeah, always is |
| 20:52.37 | treke_ | the vim on it keeps segfaulting, and the caps lock key is doing wierd things |
| 20:52.54 | treke_ | like turning itself on, without updating the state of the keyboard led |
| 20:53.04 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:53.09 | kergoth | thatd get annoying fast |
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| 21:01.28 | gb2 | treke: huh? |
| 21:01.51 | gb2 | treke: i've never seen the capslock key get inconsistant except on a mac |
| 21:02.08 | gb2 | treke: what redhat? |
| 21:02.30 | treke_ | lemme check. probaly 9 |
| 21:02.49 | treke_ | yup shrike |
| 21:03.20 | gb2 | very weird |
| 21:03.25 | gb2 | 9's vim was rock solid for me |
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| 21:03.43 | treke_ | very. I wonder what the machines owner did to the poor thing :) |
| 21:05.45 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.560 10packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add opensp-native and openjade-native, in preperation for having the docbook conversion scripts available via OE for its builds. |
| 21:38.16 | ljp | I need to create a superuser 'roto' |
| 21:39.00 | pb_ | as ambitions go, that seems like a fairly achievable one. |
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| 21:53.32 | ljp | but it would have to be the same as root |
| 21:54.24 | pb_ | be the same in what way? |
| 21:57.36 | ljp | everything except the damn spelling ;) |
| 21:58.13 | pb_ | well, that's easy to arrange. |
| 21:58.25 | pb_ | vi /etc/passwd, go to the line that says "root", and make it say "roto". |
| 21:58.33 | pb_ | don't forget to save the file before quitting. |
| 22:00.15 | ljp | I'm not really serious |
| 22:00.33 | Pendalar | you just wasted 22 minutes of time |
| 22:00.37 | Pendalar | congrats ;-) |
| 22:01.02 | ljp | oh, I'm not wasting time at all |
| 22:02.56 | kergoth | Pendalar: another one down. |
| 22:02.56 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.561 10packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add docbook-utils-native and make iputils depend on it. |
| 22:03.52 | kergoth | mmmm egg rolls |
| 22:04.01 | Pendalar | start over? |
| 22:04.18 | kergoth | no, just rebuild iputils with oemake |
| 22:04.46 | Pendalar | I don't think I got there yet |
| 22:04.50 | Pendalar | so I'll stop and pull |
| 22:04.57 | Pendalar | save the trouble =-x |
| 22:05.17 | kergoth | yeah, good idea |
| 22:05.30 | kergoth | we need gettext next |
| 22:05.36 | kergoth | from what i hear, gettext is a nightmare |
| 22:06.05 | kergoth | k, gpm fails due to missing 'texinfo' stuff |
| 22:06.10 | Pendalar | hmm what's the first thing that would get docbook pulled into the mix? |
| 22:06.18 | kergoth | iputils |
| 22:06.22 | kergoth | nothing else needs it yet |
| 22:07.03 | kergoth | iputils -> docbook-utils-native -> openjade-native -> opensp-native is the path |
| 22:07.08 | kergoth | roughly |
| 22:07.23 | kergoth | so you should see opensp-native get built as soon as it enters the path to build iputils |
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| 22:25.50 | kergoth | Pendalar: hmm, i've fixed cyrus-sasl on this box. will need to double check yours to see if it fixes it there |
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| 22:31.19 | dan2003 | does anbody have any ida how on earth the touchpanel of the simpad (and probably of any other touchscreen) determines where the pointer has been pressed? I mangaed to break the screen, much to my amazement the LCD is still fine and only the touchscreen is bust, but looking at it there isnt much too it and hopefully the superglue will do the trick. There are four conections to it which runf around the edge in a kind of antenna |
| 22:31.19 | dan2003 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.56 | dan2003 | the front plastic sheet has a metal strip down each side, whether or not there is a invisible conductive coating on either theglass or theplastic i have yet to determine, but even if there was i can't see how it would work and am on going with the idea of some kind of signal / timing to do with the glass bobbles |
| 22:33.00 | kergoth | dan2003: embedded.com |
| 22:33.04 | dan2003 | k |
| 22:33.13 | kergoth | look in their article archives |
| 22:33.18 | dan2003 | thanks |
| 22:33.24 | kergoth | np |
| 22:34.17 | CIA-5 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.562 10packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Attempt to fix the cyrus-sasl build failures, add its dependency on db3, and fix the db3 stage target (was installing the .la, not the .lai, bad). |
| 22:39.02 | Pendalar | it hasn't gotten to it yet |
| 22:39.05 | Pendalar | so stop/pull/start? |
| 22:39.08 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:00.08 | Pendalar | ERROR: function do_compile failed |
| 23:00.08 | Pendalar | ERROR: see log in /root/devel/openembedded/packages/tmp/base/iputils-20020927-r0/temp/log.do_compile.9193 |
| 23:00.21 | kergoth | is docbook-utils-native built? |
| 23:00.28 | kergoth | does tmp/staging/build/bin/docbook2html exist? |
| 23:01.00 | Pendalar | make: Entering directory `/root/devel/openembedded/packages/tmp/base/iputils-20020927-r0/iputils/doc' |
| 23:01.00 | Pendalar | jw: There is no frontend called "/usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.13/frontends/docbook". |
| 23:01.04 | Pendalar | eh I dunno |
| 23:01.08 | Pendalar | I just did auto |
| 23:01.10 | Pendalar | one sec |
| 23:01.20 | kergoth | ls tmp/staging/build/bin/jw |
| 23:01.31 | Pendalar | yes |
| 23:01.35 | Pendalar | native built |
| 23:01.59 | Pendalar | jw does indeed exist |
| 23:02.01 | kergoth | your problem is it looks like its loading the 'jw' binary from your desktop, not ours |
| 23:02.04 | CIA-5 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.357 10oe/classes/palmtop.oeclass: |
| 23:02.04 | CIA-5 | palmtop.oeclass:\ |
| 23:02.04 | CIA-5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.08 | kergoth | so its getting the /usr/share path |
| 23:02.11 | kergoth | instead of tmp/staging/share |
| 23:02.20 | Pendalar | not good ;-) |
| 23:02.24 | kergoth | can you edit tmp/staging/build/bin/docbook2html and see where it calls 'jw'? |
| 23:02.27 | kergoth | its a shell script |
| 23:03.05 | Pendalar | no where, just calls jw |
| 23:03.09 | Pendalar | uses first one in path it finds |
| 23:03.18 | kergoth | hmm, thats strange. |
| 23:03.26 | Pendalar | =-} |
| 23:05.09 | treke_ | yo |
| 23:10.06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:22.11 | Pendalar | soo... =-) |
| 23:25.24 | CIA-5 | 03mickey 07 * r1.358 10oe/classes/distutils.oeclass: |
| 23:25.24 | CIA-5 | distutils.oeclass: |
| 23:25.24 | CIA-5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.00 | CIA-5 | 03mickey 07 * r1.563 10packages/python/ (5 files): rely on distutils.oeclass to set FILES and DEPENDS |
| 23:34.01 | kergoth | hmmm |
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| 23:35.52 | mickeyl | kergoth: can you remind me what to do if i encounter "aclocal: configure.ac: 25: macro AM_PATH_SDL" not found in library? |
| 23:36.03 | kergoth | yes, look at e2fsprogs |
| 23:36.05 | kergoth | and similar |
| 23:36.09 | mickeyl | k |
| 23:36.17 | kergoth | i apply a patch that includes the component .m4 files that aclocal needs to reassemble aclocal.m4 |
| 23:37.17 | mickeyl | this is the m4.patch |
| 23:37.24 | mickeyl | wow... pretty large |
| 23:38.04 | mickeyl | okay, now just need to check where i can get that .m4 files from |
| 23:38.59 | mickeyl | aah |
| 23:39.18 | mickeyl | of course out of the package which the other package depends on |
| 23:39.48 | mickeyl | doing self talks helps to clear up thoughts and to understand |
| 23:39.49 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:41.13 | Pendalar | bonkers -^ |
| 23:46.41 | kergoth | mickeyl: heh. yep. AM_PATH_SDL no doubt comes from sdl.m4 |
| 23:46.46 | kergoth | mickeyl: only add the -needed- .m4 files |
| 23:47.00 | Pendalar | damn I need speech clases |
| 23:47.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: step completed. added a patch which creates m4/sdl.m4. |
| 23:47.12 | Pendalar | I can record my voice, then increase speed 100%.. |
| 23:47.13 | mickeyl | still AM_PATH_SDL not found. did i forget something? |
| 23:47.13 | kergoth | that fix it? |
| 23:47.17 | kergoth | no |
| 23:47.24 | Pendalar | and it's very easy to understand |
| 23:47.27 | kergoth | is AM_PATH_SDL in m4/sdl.m4? |
| 23:47.36 | kergoth | and do you see it calling aclocal -I m4 in the configure task? |
| 23:47.45 | kergoth | mickeyl: man, tetex is a nightmare |
| 23:47.51 | kergoth | mickeyl: there are no less than *24* configure.in's |
| 23:47.59 | mickeyl | ugh. fund |
| 23:48.01 | mickeyl | fun even |
| 23:48.19 | kergoth | yeah. and you cant just -I to the m4 file set they have for all the builds, cause there are problems in their m4 macros |
| 23:48.29 | mickeyl | (yes, sdl.m4 contains AM_PATH_SDL) |
| 23:48.34 | mickeyl | maybe related to Remember to add `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL' to `configure.ac'. |
| 23:48.34 | mickeyl | You should add the contents of `/usr/local/projects/oe-packages/tmp/staging/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'. |
| 23:48.40 | kergoth | mickeyl: i want tetex so we have the texinfo stuff for the packages that need to generate docs from tex.. |
| 23:48.46 | kergoth | thats harmless |
| 23:48.48 | kergoth | and expected |
| 23:49.03 | mickeyl | ok. adding the m4 directory and stuffing the sdl.m4 should be sufficient? |
| 23:49.03 | kergoth | when we call aclocal after that, it adds the contents for you |
| 23:49.05 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:49.27 | kergoth | do_configure () { |
| 23:49.29 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.30 | kergoth | } |
| 23:49.33 | kergoth | ;) |
| 23:49.33 | mickeyl | hah |
| 23:49.34 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:49.35 | kergoth | ill finish fixing it later |
| 23:50.04 | mickeyl | aah. |
| 23:50.07 | mickeyl | wrong directory |
| 23:50.09 | mickeyl | Src/Src/m4 |
| 23:50.15 | mickeyl | one too many |
| 23:50.18 | Pendalar | so what should I do for now, mv that local program out of path? |
| 23:51.27 | kergoth | Pendalar: or try to figure out why its callinig yours instead of ours |
| 23:51.35 | kergoth | i dont have time to investigate atm, busy as hell at work |
| 23:51.47 | Pendalar | give me a hint as to how I do that =-x |
| 23:52.13 | kergoth | add debug echos to the docbook2html in staging |
| 23:52.19 | kergoth | e.g. echo "jw is `which jw`" |
| 23:53.11 | Pendalar | ok |
| 23:55.47 | mickeyl | hmm. ok, AM_SDL_PATH found now. first lesson learned. next stop: |
| 23:55.49 | mickeyl | NOTE: Running automake -a -c -f |
| 23:55.49 | mickeyl | configure.ac: no proper invocation of AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE was found. |
| 23:55.49 | mickeyl | configure.ac: You should verify that configure.ac invokes AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE, |
| 23:55.59 | mickeyl | i guess i must patch configure.ac now? |